Midweek Thread 17th February 2021

The BBC has decided that the mental health of young people is in jeopardy – if they are exposed to the sort of stuff the Far Left Biased BBC puts out is it any surprise ? The constant negativity about the collective plight of our country can’t be any help in reducing the stress of staying indoors . Further – where is the humour ? Where is the fun ? Repeated (green) stories of the End of The World targeted at the Young just won’t help.

any way – for believers -today is the beginning of Lent and Hope .

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444 Responses to Midweek Thread 17th February 2021

  1. Nibor says:

    I see the BBC are bigging up about luvvies who may have some difficulties and more expense if they do any work in EU countries .

    Yeah BBC , why didn`t you look into the businesses , trades and industries that had unfair costs levied against them when we were in the EU . We dont need telling by rich artists about margins being eroded until its not feasible to trade in lop sided markets . We had it all the time . Were you interested , BBC , or did it not fit into your narrative about the great good of the EU ?
    Or were you ignorant ? So you`re not the know all and tell the nation everything they need to know organisation .

    Either way you`re not worth £157 a year .


  2. Sluff says:

    Evening all.
    Interesting goings on on the BBC webshite.

    A story entitled ‘covid- 1.7 million vulnerable added to shielding list’.
    The implication being that this new group (based on key factors such as ethnicity, weight, and deprivation) will be prioritised for the vaccine.

    There was a HYS. it was withdrawn after less than one hour.
    I wonder why?

    Here is the second top rated comment.

    ‘Interesting that ethnicity is mentioned, when it was recognised specifically by Van Tam last week that ethnicity isn’t the issue- socio economic factors and lifestyle are the real problem. The real problem it seems with ethnicity is not accepting the vaccine.’

    Dare I suggest that the CCBGB, the hoped for virtue-signalling woke comments did not materialise, so the impartial webshite editors pulled the plug.


    PS we’ve had Jo Whiley on the BBC all day today advocating her sister as a covid priority case. On another day the BBC will advertise the merits of teachers, firefighters, police, and various other favourite self interest groups. Is there anyone left?

    There are now so many of these that I feel we need a ‘not in a BBC self interest group’ self interest group, with a ‘what about the poor suckers who are paying for all the other self interest groups’ self interest group running a close second.


      • NCBBC says:

        Interesting. The article explains why infectioin rates are higher in Europe and N America.
        They have done some stats but it makes sense to only those who are specialist.

        They could have correlated AAP deficiency to moratlity rates country by country.


    • Deborah says:

      I saw Ms Wiley yesterday on BBC news. I don’t blame her because I am quite sure if I was her, I too would be worried for a special needs sister. But as an outsider it was obvious that the BBC news has become the campaigning arm of the Left. The BBC news could have justified the demands for special needs to be vaccinated early but figures would have needed to compare severe illness or death of special needs compared to those now further down the queue. Indeed, it would need a definition of who with what difficulties would be pushed to the front (deafness or blindness may be less justified). But also, as the country goes full steam ahead, should there be armies of people working from home calculating that we can invite the 56 year olds here but not there where someone in a wheelchair is waiting for the vaccination. It is easy for the BBC to scream but their snowflakes couldn’t organise a drink in a brewery (well it has taken them months to think of and source plastic screens for Only Connect) and move chairs 2 metres apart.


  3. StewGreen says:

    Things BBC doesn’t tell you
    Tucker Carlson : what happened in Texas with wind turbines
    .. politicians loved virtue signaling they were green
    then the cold came and froze the turbines
    ..leaving people without leccy in super cold homes.


    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      That is to be our future under Boris the Ecoloon.


      • Fedup2 says:

        Rob – I agree – I understand that there is a ‘power gap ‘ coming as the combination of nuclear stations coming to an end meets coal /gas power stations being ended….

        When the power cuts come we might be hearing ‘where did that come from ? ‘ as phones can’t be charged and no BBC TV!


        • NCBBC says:

          Renewable energy is like a free lunch. There’s no such thing.

          Far from free, its actually more capital expensive.

          You never get it when you want it.

          But you get it when you dont want it.

          In the end, when you leave the Renewable energy cafe after paying (backed by law) a huge bill, you realise you have been conned.

          Too late, you realise you cant leave. Its the USSR. Once in, cant leave.


        • taffman says:

          Standard response after a cock-up – “lessons to be learned”.


      • NCBBC says:

        A warmer planet then the present is good. Its shimple. A warmer planet creates more life, which then protects itself . Which is what life does.

        A colder one then at present, is deadly. Less life, more cold, less life. We wont even have the energy to scrape off the 6 feet of snow from the solar panels.

        In a colder planet , there wont be enough temperaure gradients to drive the weather cycle. It will be less. The wind turbines then cease to turn. Worse , the warmth creates evaporation and then the rains, monsoons. Without that agriculture falls. Starvation.

        Less agriculture, less food, less plant life, less cattle. Less us. With less us, we wont have enough intelligent beings to combat and even prevent the coming ice age.

        A colder planet is a recipe for a dead or dying planet. The planet sinks to a dreary static planet inhabited by static dreary people..

        Vote for a warm planet. Drive petrol and diesel cars or high acceleration motor bikes. No electric. Drive fun like young Italians with a girl at the back. Enjoy life.


      • NCBBC says:

        Please Rob

        Boris was fun lovin guy. But for some reason he is now trying to please someone.

        And we are paying the price.

        For millions of years the earth has done fine. But now, with the rise of ecoloons, screeching harridans, Zombie teen age freaks, and Marxists, a fatal combiantion, we are intent on destroying the planet. And ofcourse Big Tech and such, who will make billions, we will be dragged into Hotel California.

        Leave the bloody planet alone.


      • NCBBC says:

        Boris was fun lovin guy. But for some reason he is now trying to please someone.

        And we are paying the price.

        For millions of years the earth has done fine. But now, with the rise of ecoloons, screeching harridans, Zombie teen age freaks, and Marxists, a fatal combiantion, we are intent on destroying the planet. And ofcourse Big Tech and such, who will make billions, we will be dragged into Hotel California.

        Leave the bloody planet alone.


      • NCBBC says:

        Boris was fun lovin guy. But for some reason he is now trying to please someone.

        And we are paying the price.

        For millions of years the earth has done fine. But now, with the rise of ecoloons, screeching harridans, Zombie teen age freaks, and Marxists, a fatal combiantion, we are intent on destroying the planet. And ofcourse Big Tech and such, who will make billions, we will be dragged into Hotel California.

        Leave the bloody planet alone.


    • NCBBC says:

      Following on Tucker, here is Ingraham

      Well worth watching.

      Its a shame that Boris as acting motre like a Socialist control leader then conservative free society one.


  4. Nibor says:

    Oh BBC ,

    Fascism and Nazism are left wing . “Progressives ” . Liberal/left . Corporativeism . Socialists ( its in the name ) . Big government . Nannyism . Big Brotherism .
    On the same side as Communism , Marxist-Leninism , Maoism , Trotskyism .
    Also on the same side as Islamists , which is why they are referred to as Islamofascists or IslamoNazis .

    Your funding model is based on what you mistakenly call far right economics . The nearest thing we have in the UK to a Brownshirt or Blackshirt are your TV Licence goons . Tame by comparison though they are .

    On the real Right side of politics are conservative people , anti big government people and libertarians . Hardly anything to do with the above groupings .

    Now I`ve educated , informed and entertained . So you BBC owe me £157.50


    • StewGreen says:

      The libmob do seem to be on the foothills of fascism with their hate hate hate, and monstering of people
      as Gina Carano tried to explain

      The BBC shout “fascism it’s over there”
      As it starts a 3 part series on Fridays

      Here’s a part Jamaican lecturer promoting it


      • StewGreen says:

        I quote from the blurb

        Fascism is not an alien import but a central and on-going part of the British story.”

        That is an outrageous thing to say in the way they likely mean.
        which of typical traditional British people.
        Out of 55 million of them I cannot imagine more than a few mad dozen have sympathy for Hitler.
        Paroxically it is some Labour and Muslim groups who seem to be big on anti-Jewish conspiracies. Maybe running into thousands of individuals.

        The presenter Camulla Schofield wrote a book on Enoch Powell

        other books
        – Toward a Global History of White Supremacy
        – ‘Global white nationalism: From apartheid to Trump’,

        Ep1 takes the rally staged by the British Union of Fascists at Olympia in June 1934 as a keyhole
        Ep2 focuses on the so-called Battle of Lewisham in 1977 as a way of grasping the character of post-war fascism.
        Ep3 traces the thread to the present day.


        • StewGreen says:

          Her book launch was all “Trump, Trump, Trump, Brexit, Brexit” etc.


          I have lived in various parts of Africa
          and there are places you don’t go cos of tribes fighting and supressing each other.
          There are plenty of good people of all ethnicities in the world
          but the worldview of these libmob people seems to be #WhiteManBad


        • Seppers says:

          I take issue with the word Central.
          Sure, there might be fascist groups, but to tar everyone and the mainstay of society as a whole with that brush is hurtful and degrading. And downright depressing.
          I think people respect hearing about difficult subjects when they are portrayed in context, and in proportion- but to make out its somehow part of us? No.


      • Up2snuff says:

        Stew, great phrase that – ‘foothills of facism’. Might need to borrow that some time.


  5. Sluff says:

    Not BBC.
    And boy do I mean not BBC.
    But for readers who want an antidote to wokedom, our late evening fix is Freeview ch 37, DMax.
    Currently enjoying Life Below Zero, where various people and families live self sufficient lives in Alaska.

    They chop down trees.
    They build things from the wood.
    They shoot geese and ducks.
    Grandma takes grandson hunting. He has his own rifle to practice.
    They stalk and shoot caribou..
    Then they butcher the said caribou.
    Because if you want to eat, you have to catch it first, so if you don’t hunt and eat meat, you starve.
    They may or may not have electricity.
    They have wood burning stoves.
    The fridge freezer may be a hole in the ground, dug deep enough to get to the permafrost layer.
    They mend things.
    The nearest GP or hospital may be a plane ride away. If there was a plane.

    In other words, It’s all about skills, personal responsibility, and self-reliance.

    See what I mean when I said not BBC.



    • Garry Lavin says:

      Well done. When he was younger, my lad and his pals used to watch a show about loggers…and another about that Duck shooting family in Tennessee or some such.
      They loved the values you mention.

      In contrast, Countryfile is almost sickly and decadent.


    • Up2snuff says:

      Sluff, there used to be a wonderful TV series in the 1980s, sort of rom.com stylee, on Ch.4 about a NY born Jewish doctor, who is financed through Med School by a very remote, small Alaskan village on condition he does 5 or 7 years doctoring for them on location upon qualifying.

      He is reluctant and hostile at first to honouring his part of the bargain but is made to go. Then he meets the float ‘plane pilot, the plane being the only way in or out apart from two or four, human or animal legs. The pilot is female and good looking. By the end of the first series, Doc is quite reconciled to his commitment. 🙂

      I cannot recall the name of the series. 🙁 It will come to me, maybe, later, perhaps ….


      • Guest Who says:

        Northern Exposure?

        I have the soundtrack CD. Lovely.


        • Up2snuff says:

          Guest, well done – that is it. I enjoyed the whimsy in it as well as the landscapes.

          You are right about the music although I cannot really remmber it.

          Cannot now remember whether I watched every series.


      • Eddy Booth says:

        I remembered that quirky series Northern Exposure a few years ago, and downloaded a torrent of it.
        First scene there a local radio station broadcasting, praising Walt Whitman for being homosexual.
        Maybe years ago they slipped their woke agenda in without us noticing too much.


    • Rich says:


      YouTube is full of stuff like this, loads of Americans, Canadians, Australians and Scandinavians with their own channels on homesteading, hunting and gardening, reasonably normal people, often with young families that they are homeschooling and with a strong Christian ethic, looking for some form of self-sufficiency and self- autonomy without becoming isolated.

      I know YouTube have their own agenda at times but it provides most of what of what I watch now, the only drawback being the amount of time you can spend on it without realising. Full length films, sporting highlights, travel blogs and documentaries, cookery blogs, lifestyle blogs, history programmes, political commentary, all free with limited advertising. My wife and daughters watch some series, but hardly ever the films, on Amazon Prime and Netfix but if it was it was down to me I would get rid of them just as we have with the not-missed-in-the-slightest bBbc.

      I’ve also downloaded the Rumble app, pushed by people on YouTube like Mark Dice, but haven’t looked through it yet but I’ll have a look because I can.

      Why the bBbc still believes that it is either needed by or relevant to todays viewing public in any way baffles me.


  6. StewGreen says:

    @BBCPanorama tweeted
    “What happened to Dubai’s missing princess? Latifa

    Don’t miss our latest investigation ‘The Missing Princess’ Tuesday on @BBCOne at 8:30pm

    Repliers say they won’t be visiting such depraved countries
    .. the irony is , such countries are coming to live amongst us.


  7. StewGreen says:

    The UN says the Etna region must accelerate
    the phasing out of petrol and diesel car cos it considers them evil & polluting

    Looks like they didn’t fit the volcano with Euro6 engine quality filters.


  8. taffman says:

    “Four air passengers have each been fined £10,000 for failing to declare they had travelled from a “red-list” country, West Midlands Police has said.”
    They should have gone by dinghy.


  9. Doublethinker says:

    The BBC has generously given an amnesty , of unknown length, to those over 75’s who have refused to pay for a License. We know that growing numbers of folks under 75 are also refusing to pay up. We know that under articles on the BBC in the Mail, Telegraph and Times plus any mention of the BBC on the likes of LBC , there are lots of comments from folks who want to stop paying for it because they never watch it, indeed they despise the BBC. The TINO Government seems scared to kill it off or even to give the people the tools to kill it off themselves.
    I’m am sure that a nationally run anti License Fee campaign could bring the BBC to its knees within months and thst heading up such a campaign would provide any aspiring politician with a national platform. We know that Laurence Fox finds much that the BBC does repugnant and so I appeal to him to take the lead in such a campaign.It would put him and his Reclaim Party firmly on the national stage and be a massive boost for those of us who oppose wokery in all its forms. I will join his party and make a generous donation if he takes this on. A lot of others will too.


    • taffman says:

      IMHO, Lawrence Fox would benefit his cause by becoming a member of The Reform Party.


      • Doublethinker says:

        I disagree. The Reform Party has a broad range of policies covering all aspects of political life. Reclaim has , or ought to have , a much narrower focus of issues pertaining to culture. In my view winning the culture war is an essential pre cursor to defeating the Woke folk across the whole range of political issues. Perhaps Reclaim is the vanguard of the Reform party but its focus should be cultural until the war is won.


    • tomo says:

      I feel that some fun could be had with the license fee and politics …

      Near all of it has been memory holed but there was a political movement in Milan (iirc) that was called auto riduzione where people who felt that incumbent politicians of all stripes were abusing the public purse and they set up what these days might be called a CIC / “not for profit”… where people acknowledged that there was a requirement for a communal pot – just not one controlled by bent pols and their chums …

      Given the Internet would easily enable it…. would it not be fun to pay a TV license into a communal fund where programme commissioning (and continuing existence) was a matter of member votes?

      Democracy in action

      It’d cause some considerable squawking in all the right places 🙂 – even if it was just a feint / suggestion rolled into the public space ?

      Given Mr. Farage’s experience with the media – he might just be one man to have on hand for the launch?


    • Fedup2 says:

      The over 75s who paid for the licence should cancel it straight away – cancel the DD


  10. taffman says:

    Al Beeb………….
    “Covid: How will we know if the vaccine is working?”

    Does it matter ? Despite this “game changer” Bo Jo and his gang are finding every excuse they can to keep the nation in lockdown?


  11. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #1 – Do I detect a note of enthusiasm, delight even, in your voice?

    It’s the JustRemainIn and Jack Show again today. Maybe Mishal is having a week off? (Loud cheers – “Quiet at the back, there!”) Ann Longfield, Children’s Commissioner – paid huge salary at taxpayer expense – is retiring and is going to criticise the Government. Sean Dilley – paid huge salary at taxpayer expense – appeared to be delighted at the prospect.

    Same for Justin Webb – paid even larger salary at taxpayer expense – who said that “We will be talking to Ann Longfield later in the programme.” There was a hint of delight in both their voices.


  12. Up2snuff says:

    Framing Anti-Brexit Again Today – with Anna Hill, demonstrated the levels the BBC go to in their endeavour to portray gloom and doom.

    Today it is the pedigree livestock market and travel between N.Ireland and rUK. The BBC, who rubbished the Internal Markets Bill, are really pushing at this, N.Ireland thing. If the BBC are not careful, the PM may bring back that legislation to Parliament and get it passed to deal fully and finally with the EU trade truculence.

    Then they bring on a poor farmer who cannot lift his beets due to the frost and floods. This poor chap – who appears to be reading from a script by the sound of it – doesn’t explain that he paid no attention to the weather forecasts. From the BBC. Actually, I’d be really surprised if a farmer needed a BBC weather forecast. Most know what the weather is going to be doing from the soil and sky and behaviour of animals.

    The questions remain, however: ‘Why did the farmer not lift his beets before the worst of the recent rain and before the snow which was accurately forecast a week in advance?’ and ‘Why have you not arranged better drainage on your land?’ and ‘How many years have you been farming here?’

    Anna Hill – paid a large salary at taxpayer expense – did not ask. After all, it would have spoiled the BBC farming doom and gloom propaganda, wouldn’t it?


  13. Sluff says:

    Higher up the thread, Stew wrote this.
    ‘The libmob do seem to be on the foothills of fascism with their hate hate hate, and monstering of people’
    ……and I don’t disagree.

    But I see another quite different parallel.
    Thinking about the vaccination plans, the people that can contribute most to society in terms of wealth creation and taxes and will pay most in to address our alarming deficit and debt are absolutely at the back of the queue.
    The front of the queue is dominated by non-contributors.

    The similarity I see is with Mao’s Cultural revolution and Pol Pot’s Cambodia. In both cases a perceived bourgeoisie and doctors/engineers/academics were put to the back of the queue- the queue being one of preference and survival. The capable were marginalised, forced to work on the land or executed. Some twenty five million of them.

    Weird. LibMob practice fascism, and the so-called Tory government (in the thrall of LibMob I suspect) practice Maoism.
    Different labels. Similar outcomes.

    And so how utterly ironic then that China and Indonesia are prioritising their working age population for vaccines. We may be economically illiterate but at least we’ll be able to get supplies of PPE


    • Fedup2 says:

      The problem with the approach that the most economically active should be ahead on the list is that it leads to eugenics – DNR Forms – abortions – encouraging lives to end earlier when they are declared a burden on the state – the Liverpool pathway …

      Yesterday the government dressed up prioritising certain racial groups , fat people and the like in the guise of being .’more at risk ‘
      A few weeks ago the idea of prioritising group on the basis of race was seen as obscene – now it’s blinked through . I don’t think it will make much difference – those with ‘bad lifestyle habits ‘ – who eat more than their body needs – will continue on that course – as will the ethnic third worlders who won’t accept white man magic .

      But purely on economics – sluff – you are right .

      Personally I think something even worse is coming along .


      • StewGreen says:

        “prioritising group on the basis of race”
        …yet beeboid Adam Rutherford wrote a book that says ‘race doesn’t exist’

        .. which is a great punch-out narrative against racists … but…


        • JimS says:

          That’ll be the Adam Rutherford who got his BBC job because he’s half BAME?

          Adam Rutherford the BBC-‘Yes man’ to top all ‘yes men’. If you want a BBC convention touted Adam’s your man!

          Oh for the days when the BBC had Quentin Cooper who actually questioned ‘the science’.


  14. Guest Who says:

    BBC Moaning Emole digs out the ‘Special Stuff ©️BBC EdGuds’ Thesaurus as the TDS continues.

    Trump lashes out at McConnell

    Too much? How about….

    Trump hits out at senior US Republican

    Former US President Donald Trump has launched a scathing attack on Republican Senator Mitch McConnell , calling him “dour” and an “unsmiling political hack”. Mr McConnell, who led the US Senate for years and is a member of the same party as the ex-president, provoked Mr Trump’s ire after accusing him of being “morally responsible” for January’s US Capitol riot because of his election fraud “lies”. This was despite Mr McConnell’s vote to acquit Mr Trump at last week’s impeachment trial. Reeling off a list of what he considered Mr McConnell’s weaknesses, the former president said he would back Republican challengers who “espouse making America great again”, rather than the senator’s preferred candidates. Our North America reporter Anthony Zurcher says Mr Trump’s threat against his own party is what will give Republicans “the most heartburn”.

    And finally…. a “scathing attack”.

    Complete with a ‘Lurchsez’.


  15. andyjsnape says:

    Anyone fancy watching a movie, that the bbc feels we should watch

    I looked at the list, obviously the list doesn’t seem to offend anyone, all a bit tame


  16. StewGreen says:

    9:30am Friend of the beeboids Wilf Self launches his new series a crusade against bottled water.
    .. cos it generates too much waste plastic.
    ( ..em the problem is not the bottles, but rather the LOUTS who don’t throw them away properly)

    9am R4 More Or Less
    – Is the UK’s Covid-19 death count REALLY among the worst in the world? Are counts flawed ?

    – are we drinking more?

    – Long Covid is widely acknowledged as being a growing problem, but what are the numbers involved?
    Dr Natalie MacDermott, we revisit what she said then and what we know now. Plus, she tells of her own struggles with Long Covid.


    • StewGreen says:

      Death counts .. they stated straight away that the UK is about #3
      and then qualified that Belgium is very bad but does have the loosest definition
      Then when questioning whether other countries were undercounting
      said yes cos if you look at other countries like Peru and Spain their overall EXCESS death graphs are off the scale
      .. And indeed that UK is only 18th in terms of excess death rate.

      They implied that all excess deaths are due to Covid
      and did mention that excess deaths are often caused by lockdown effects, that cancel cancer treatments etc.
      Peru and Spain both had particularly hard lockdowns.


    • StewGreen says:

      I mean they did first imply all excess deaths were due to Covid, but at the end they did mention lockdown effect deaths.

      Vax ..big difference between Londonistan and rest of country
      “London has vaccinated only 80% of over 70s
      every other area scores more than 90%”
      (They didn’t mention, that a lot registered as London are probably living abroad eg retired to Pakistan/India, maybe even dead and still claiming a pension)

      “For over 80s fewer than 50% of blacks have been vax”
      (Doh the UK number of 80yo blacks is too small for robust data
      .. hangon he is giving caveats)
      “Maybe people are refusing , or maybe system is failin to reach them”


    • StewGreen says:

      Long Covid item
      Summary *symptoms* the problem is the scientist clumsily include mild symptoms as well as severe.
      A weak woman who gets severe Covid at the beginning is most likely to get LC

      “one guy said it could be 20%”
      “after 4 weeks 1 in 7 people are still reporting symptoms”
      (doh that is 14% so contradicts the first guy)

      “The Zoe app said only 2% of it’s users had the Long Covid counted as 12 week+ symptoms”
      “whilst the ONS put the figure at 10%”
      WTF why is the science so vague ?

      Zoe guy “people suffering from loss of smell, pins and needles”
      (Hangon that is included but I wouldn’t count that as a severe thing .. Sometimes your brain has forgot how to smell and it relearns it over time)
      They did mention : Zoe might be undercounting cos maybe people are too sick to log in, so drop out
      However 1 in 10 is not credible, cos the news would be full of them
      That’s half million people if 5 million have had Covid
      half a million in the 4.9 million survivors.

      ONS must be including fatigue, which is NOT long Covid
      (Net says “Some degree of post-viral fatigue (PVFS) or debility is a fairly common occurrence after any type of viral infection.” )

      If it’s 14% after 4 weeks
      then 10% after 12 weeks seems unlikely


    • StewGreen says:

      Alcohol sales by volume
      Normally alcohol is drunk at home, this year rose by 32%
      But with 2020 lockdown pub/home fell by 20% overall
      “Probably young people drank less, and older people more”

      Dr Natalie segment
      How Did her Jan 2020 prediction pan out ?
      “Case fatality rate is 2-3%of official cases
      It’s a bit lower cos varying mild cases don’t get reported”
      ‘We now know : it’s not just respiratory’
      ‘ As feared it spreads easier than SARS’
      ‘ We denied there was aerosol spread’
      she had predicted only 60s would have problems,

      Her own Long Covid
      Now can only walk 200m due to LC
      She’s 38
      She *believes* “I was infected whilst working on a Covid ward, and back at work within 10 days”
      .. WTF where was your test ?
      ‘Then 2 months later I believe I was infected again whilst working on a Covid ward
      now I seem to have neurological damage’
      OK something has caused her own immune system to attack her body
      After 8 months she can’t go upstairs, feels that she is not getting worse, rather than getting better.

      If you look at Severe Long Covid you can see that the Health Impacts for 10 people people with it are WORSE than for 10 typical deaths.
      Cos those dying typically suffer 12 months loss of life
      so that’s 10 Life Years lost for that Group

      Whereas for Severe Long Covid people their life quality is reduced so 1 year counts as I GUESS half a Quality Year
      so over 10 years that 10 person group has lost 50 Quality Life Years.

      At 1% of 5 million infections , that’s 50,000 people
      over 10 years that’s 250,000 QALYS
      vs the 120,000 QALY’s of people who have actually died


  17. JohnC says:

    Lordy, am I sick of the BBC cutting and pasting this line in every article about Trump now:
    ‘after the Capitol riots, which led to the deaths of five people including a police officer.’
    No mention of an unarmed woman being shot in the chest. The only one killed by deliberate action of another. Or mention that 3 were not malicious in any way.
    It occurred to me that I still didn’t actually know how the policeman had died. So I just spent 10 minutes on google trying to find out.
    Guess what ? – they’re keeping it secret. Apparently the intial report of being hit by a fire extinguisher is fake : he had no blunt-force trauma. He said he was fine back at the station. Speculation is he died of a stroke.
    And you would expect the circumstances of this death to be the centrepoint of the impeachment trial – but apparently they didn’t go near it. Instead they talked about terrified people sending text messages instead. Obviously they knew it was all a lie.
    If he died of natural causes (though maybe brought on by the riots), continuing with the implied (but not specifically stated I now notice) ‘killed by protesters’ murder narrative by saying the riots led to his death is beyond disgusting and ethically corrupt. But nothing less than I expect now.


    • Up2snuff says:

      Yes, it’s an illustration of the old wise saying ‘A lie goes halfway round the world before the truth has got its boots on.’. Except in the instance of Trump and the events at the Capitol the ‘Wrongists’ have near enough total control of the media and so are able to send the lie around the world – not just halfway – again and again and again, in a never-ending repetition.

      Then, it becomes a firm belief in the hearts of ‘Wrongists’ everywhere and beliefs always trump facts.


    • Guest Who says:

      The BBC do like their standard copy paste framings.

      Remember ‘unsubstantiated baseless stuff unchecked at all unlike wot BIJ did for Newsnight’?

      Maybe Marianna could check the facts, or current lack of?

      Or not. She logs off quite a bit when tasked off piste.


  18. Tabs says:

    If anyone was worried about Capt. Tom Moore’s daughter, Hannah Ingram-Moor, as noone has heard from her in 2 whole days then don’t panic.

    No need to worry, here she is again getting into the news again for being his daughter.



    • JohnC says:

      Poor Tom : used and abused for political purposes. Just like Greta.
      At least Tom is free from it now. Greta will be on the rubbish heap watching CO2 rising around her soon once the innocence of a child with a disability cannot be used by the morally-bankrupt Left as a weapon.


    • Guest Who says:

      Shaz thinks it’s lovely. That’s lovely. BBC Breakfast knows what Shaz thinks is lovely.


    • Tabs says:

      When I posted that link the article was all about “the legacy that Tom left behind”.

      Within the hour it had become an article about trolling. I call BS on this. The family rightfuly got internet criticism for their holiday to Barbados and now they try and turn the whole thing into a victimhood story.


      • Rob in Cheshire says:

        Apparently a trip to Barbados was on Sir Tom’s “bucket list”. Too right it was. Who makes a 100 year old man fly for ten hours? Hope the holiday was worth it.


  19. StewGreen says:

    Doh the internet is a playground
    .. so of course Tom Moore’s account got abuse

    .. Typical abusers do turn out to be 13 year old girls.


    • JohnC says:

      One of the BBC’s tricks is to specifically state when things are done by the Far-Right, but not mention it when it’s done by others.
      That way – over time – you tend to think all abuse is by the Right.
      When my experience of the forums over Brexit was that it is the Left who are routinely child-like, nasty and spiteful.


    • StewGreen says:

      Front of BBC news .. “Tom got online abuse, which he never herd about anyway”

      The very back of BBC news “Guinea has just declared an Ebola epidemic”


  20. AsISeeIt says:

    There’s a strange interim feel to current affairs at present. Our nationalised broadcaster is contributing to this uncertain transitional atmosphere: ‘BBC declares television licence amnesty for over-75s‘ – however, the BBC: ‘…declined to say how long it would last‘ (Telegraph)

    One scarcely needs to point out the pre-eminent overriding source of our current feeling of interregnum: ‘Lockdown to continue until cases drop below 1,000 a day‘ (Telegraph) – and on such arbitrary eventuality hangs the social and economic future of the nation.

    Is the end always to remain just around the corner, just out of reach, in a place to which we never quite arrive?

    We survey the press headlines and find: ‘Shield for six weeks, extra 1.7 million people told‘ (‘i’)

    The G20 must lead a campaign to vaccinate the world‘ – says the globally ambitious Martin Woolf in the FT

    Some employers draft “no jab, no job” contracts as business left to go it alone‘ (FT)

    Philip Johnston writing in the Telegraph is – like so many of us – in a mood of disempowered resignation: ‘Vaccine passports are coming whether we like it or not

    At this point it would be a comfort to imagine the formerly libertarian Boris Johnson turning to his public health czars and complaining as though he were Oliver Hardy, and the likes of the whimpish Whitty were Stan Laurel: “Well, that’s another fine mess you’ve gotten us into”

    Will the single grand of cases line in the sand really make us all free, as Germans once promised their prisoners “arbeit” might?

    Not, one senses, if the testing is a bit dodgy and we have this new effort to contend with: ‘Mass testing blitz as PM plans easing of lockdown. Millions to receive kits amid national campaign‘ (Times) – let’s do some mathematics… say we get a million self-administered tests a day: ‘…to homes and workplaces…‘ – in a completely healthy population it will only take one-in-a-thousand false positive results to maintain the totemic 1,000 cases number. As time goes on and more of us have had the jab or have recovered from the real thing, will the antibodies not proliferate and show up on these blunt instrument tests? Margin of error on these things, anyone?

    I’m a hostage, says Dubai ruler’s daughter‘ (Times) – you and me both, luv.

    Princess Latifa bint Mohammed al-Maktoum claims in a secretly recorded video she has been threated with being shot‘ – hey, it’s a bit rude to name her a bint, but I think I remember her mother, Queen Latifah, the big hip-hop singer who starred in that movie of the musical Hairspray.

    And finally a little jokey item from the Telegraph: ‘Civil servant “paid less for being a white man”‘ – can’t help but feel our civil servants, in one way or another, have rather brought this on themselves


    • Up2snuff says:

      AISI, I had a good chuckle over the inability of the Times front-page layout designer to spot an unfortunate juxtaposition from the Fashion Section and the News Section. You have a photo of Princess Latifa “I’m a hostage!” with the Fashion Ed wishing to encourage ‘Emerge in style – essential fashion for facing the outside world’.



      • AsISeeIt says:

        Nice one. The formerly patriotic Times is a goldmine of sad juxtaposition this morning: ‘Root apologises…’ – for making some remark which was probably what he thought was true, meanwhile: ‘Free-speech payouts’


      • Fedup2 says:

        What is the problem with a vaccine passport -? When I worked all over the place I had a document with a record of jabs for everything …
        I want a vacc passport if it will let me travel again … once the frankly dumb hotel lockdown is binned .


        • AsISeeIt says:

          “What is the problem with a vaccine passport -?”

          Where to begin…?

          First off, can you or the experts, hand on heart, promise us that this rushed to market vaccine both prevents covid-19 (and varients) in the innoculated and eliminates transmission? I’ve seen vague percentage claims but nothing definite.

          Hello there, let me on the plane, I’m 95% sure of not giving you all covid, look it says so on my passport.


          • Fedup2 says:

            I don’t care – this lock down can’t go on for ever – if the vaccine works for the majority great – otherwise you can live locked down until your heart stops working at the end of your days .


        • Old Goat says:

          The problem is that it will be adapted to control every other aspect of your life, from your employment, to your local travel, to your shopping, your fuel, your banking, your medical support, and anything else which requires you to produce suitable proof of vaccination for this virus, let alone the rest of them, before you can proceed with your life.

          You’re happy with that? I’m not.


        • KafirHarbi says:

          While I also tend towards your pragmatism Fedup – I mean after all – if the place you badly want to holiday at demands it – why not? What worries me is the abuse of this. With talk in government circles of allowing people in theatres – 30 mins after testing (I for one would absolutely not ever go the theatre on this basis), how would you feel if you had to show your vaccine passport to go into the pub? The supermarket? These measures are completely within the envelope of what megalomaniacs like Hancok have already done.


          • Fedup2 says:

            I was always in favour of ID cards – mainly in the hope of identifying those who were not legally in the country and throwing them out – or making things so difficult for them that they’d go somewhere else .

            I realise the danger of the state using ID cards as a weapon against the people who pay taxes but that’s a risk . ID cards might make elections a bit more legal too …


            • Rob in Cheshire says:


              Get real, this is Britain.

              In the unlikely event that an illegal immigrant is discovered because he does not have an ID card, so what? He won’t be deported. He’ll claim asylum. The case will drag on for years, with multiple appeals, paid for by us, of course. If, after all that, he is meant to be deported, he’ll have disappeared back into “the community”, or else he’ll be married with kids, and his human right to a family life means he cannot be deported.

              See Sense. The only people who will ever have to show their ID cards are white British people. The authorities are so scared of racism they would never dare ask a BAME to show ID.


    • Banania says:

      Mass testing discovers more “cases”, and more “cases” mean extended lockdown.


  21. Guest Who says:

    King Lear getting a mention a lot. Not multi-millionaire John Kerry of Joe ‘another log on the fire’ Biden fame, but this one:


    Has he met Greta yet? Or Emma? Or Mishal? Or fellow billionaire Richard Branson.

    He has been out the media for what seems like days.

    I recall he once was plugging Coconut Airways using bio fuel on one engine, but seemed to lose interest once getting very rich folk into the lower stratosphere for a happy snap moment, atop a column of greenhouse gasses, looked more lucrative.

    And lured many a Beeboid ‘science reporter’ over for a US jolly.


  22. JimS says:

    Biden puts a log on the fire. What will Greta do?


  23. Sluff says:


    This is the list of translations of Covid vaccination information provided by the International Health Service to those receiving letters inviting them to book a vaccination.
    Meanwhile, it was reported the other day that vaccination uptake among Leicester health and social care workers, a top priority group, was……37%.

    The benefits of multiculturalism and uncontrolled mass immigration to the UK just keep on growing…….especially to the Labour Party who opened the doors in the first place.

    No wonder the Mayor of Londonistan sleeps so easily.


    • Guest Who says:

      Woah…. what about a 298th gendered Klingon?

      Or is that covered by BBC Ceebeebies?


    • Rich says:

      I wonder what language the Roma use as this whole pandemic-thing seems to be passing the ones currently infesting our town by.

      Oh, and the child-minding car-selling Poles across the road from me have no effin’ excuse at all then?


    • tomo says:

      15 miles to my nearest vaccine facility according to the NHS vaccine booking app…

      although at the very least 10 facilities within 10 miles.

      – another NHS IT success there then…


  24. Guest Who says:

    Oops. Doing ITBB an injustice.

    Much new ITBB goodness, as ever, but given the current unease at BBC selected facts and BBC avoided black holes and certain BBC ‘views my own’ accounts, especially from that bastion of professional impartiality Newsnight, this was funny:



    Naga and BS unavailable for comment.

    All things considered, amazingly.

    Try as I might, I could not work in ‘abhorrent’.

    But now I have here, someone can “quote” me, back at the BBC, in public, as if it is a ‘story’.

    See how it works now?


  25. Eddy Booth says:

    “Captain Sir Tom Moore: ‘Horrific’ trolling hidden from Army veteran”

    Biased, deceptive BBC at it’s finest.

    “Capt Sir Tom had tested positive for Covid-19 the week before he was admitted to hospital.”

    The full time line:
    Family visited Barbados.
    About a week after they got back, Tom was admitted to hospital with pneumonia.
    Tested negative for covid.
    10 days later is feeling well enough to go home, routinely tested for covid again, tests positive,
    So 100% caught it in hospital..
    A week later he’s back in the same hospital with breathing difficulties.


    • StewGreen says:

      @EB Yep your timeline seems correct

      If the family seem angry at hurty tweets
      maybe they are deflecting from their own guilt at taking him away.

      But they shouldn’t feel guilty ..what’s done is done.
      He had a great time
      whereas he might have lived a couple of dozen boring months in Britain longer.


  26. StewGreen says:

    Tweeter ask
    “@BBCr4today @BBCRadio4
    Why are there a completely different set of headlines from 9 o’clock onwards than there are during the Today programme?”

    I wouldn’t know cos I listen to neither
    but R4Today is a Guardianland thing

    Various tweeters re 10.00am R4 News
    “Oi @BBCRadio4 news I thought @DominicRaab was Foreign Secretary”
    “Raab is Foreign Sec, not Home Sec. ” ..BBC, Guardian type mistakes


    • StewGreen says:

      Other tweeters point out to the Radio4 Twitter account that the link in the tweet they put out doesn’t work.

      The thing for R4 to do then is delete their tweet
      and retweet it with the correct link
      They haven’t done that.


  27. Tabs says:

    BBC promoting illegal graffiti as “art” again.

    Banksy: Workmen remove Nottingham’s hula-hooping girl


  28. StewGreen says:

    If you want to understand where allegiances lie
    The OECD just retweeted Mark Carney’s Reith lectures


  29. StewGreen says:

    More important Radio4 programming


  30. StewGreen says:

    The Department for Education today promoting a BBC programme
    .. Unfortunately the department is not educated enough to realise BBC progs generally expire after 28 days,
    so that series is no longer available.

    But the tweet was probably about Virtue Signalling “look at us we care about BAME” anyway


  31. Guest Who says:

    Fact checkers, eh? What are they like? How long before Jon or Lurch does an ‘ain’t no thang’ RT, and throw another log on the fire?


  32. Guest Who says:

    Well at least all here saw the correction, right?



  33. Guest Who says:

    Interesting the facts they check, and how they phrase the result.


    • Nibor says:

      What about the export of the freight service itself ?
      In happier times lorries were British , with British drivers .
      So even if goods were imported , there was money earned for the UK on the freight service provided . Taxes paid on profits , drivers employed and paying taxes .

      So what “normal ” are the BBC taking about , over the short time or long term ? What do the figures show ?

      As for imports , are those bogus asylum seekers coming over in the backs of lorries or on dinghies included ?


  34. Guest Who says:

    Poor mite. She’s overwhelmed with love.

    And beastliness.


    • JimS says:

      I don’t get what her purpose is.

      Her audience can only be like-minded Guardianistas, “Oh look how stupid, racist, climate change denying, Brexit voting, homophobic, Islamophobic etc. these deplorable plebs are, not like us!”

      She will never change anyone’s mind, she is preaching to the convinced, indeed she is just inciting people to go to bad places they wouldn’t have thought of going to by themselves.

      Typical of the BBC. It is like their approach to perceived ‘racism’: Tell the plebs they are racist as a group, give voice to every black-with-a-chip-on-the-shoulder, ‘prove’ that the UK is and always was black by 100% black programming. Lies, threats and insults, how not to win an argument.


  35. Guest Who says:

    These ‘news’ stories are always fun.


    • Beltane says:

      Looking at the replies it seems the BBC ploy of blaming the government – when it was they, not the tories that moved the goalposts by dropping the licence freeby AND twice upping the fee – has worked.
      Clever stuff, but not so clever from the klutzes who can’t see the duplicity. Maybe they all like antiques, cooking and unaffordable country houses.


  36. Guest Who says:


    And Marcus Rashford by Lewis Hamilton will so help.

    Just hope his people are not the same as the ones feeding PR for AOC or Greta.


    • JimS says:

      Kylie Minogue, another ‘authority’?

      Could we start back-dated ‘impeachments’ for Neighbours or at least those in the BBC that bought it?


    • JohnC says:

      TIME lost all credibility when they put a fake picture of an illegal immigrant’s child bawling it’s eyes out saying it was all because of Trump. When in fact her mum had just gone to the toilet.
      What made it much worse is how they refused to apologise saying it caught the sentiment. A very interesting take on ‘honest’ reporting. Exactly like the BBC choosing images from GETTY which bear no relation to the story and every relation to their separate, unconnected agenda.
      I’m still confused about how this can be considered acceptable. Perhaps their fact checking team should look into the morality of it.


  37. andyjsnape says:

    Coronavirus: What powers do police have if people break Covid rules? “reports” the beeb


    it keeps using the word “Excuse”

    Surely Excuse isn’t right the right word, but I’ll make an excuse up if i ever get stopped


  38. taffman says:

    “Over-75s ‘given time’ to pay BBC licence fee”
    Well they know what they can do with that “time”.
    They can do the same with the “Under Investigation” threatening letter that dropped through my post box last week !


  39. StewGreen says:

    Jan 20th Nine Met Police officers fined for breaking Covid rules with breakfast in café

    Two Derbyshire police officers ‘fined for breaching Covid lockdown rules’
    They were found over the border in Leicestershire


  40. Fedup2 says:

    Bit of good news

    The BBC house newspaper ( guardian ) reports that Muslims have fallen out with said BBC because some leader or other got the treatment on women’s house from the daughter of a brothel keeper .

    Apparently said Muslim woman was asked how many female imams are there x4 . This – apparently – was a bad question .
    So the normal list of professional Muslims have signed a letter of complaint .

    As we get the popcorn our maybe the coloured girl given 100 million to manage ‘diversity ‘ will have to attempt to earn her £200k p.a .
    Maybe the muzzles will do a fatwa thing on the BBC –

    Next up – the coloured actress who was in ‘suits ‘ – and her semi royal beau convert to Islam – …( put x in box for no publicity )


  41. StewGreen says:

    11 am Radio4 Anti Trump prog with James Naughtie
    Economy – ” – where Donald Trump saw deregulation as the path to economic growth,
    Joe Biden will take the opposite approach, with a focus on tackling climate change a key part of his economic message.
    But .. their approaches to tax cuts and economic stimulus, as well as how they approach international trade, the differences are far less stark.”


    4:30pm Amols show .. a second bit with the ITV Capitol team
    How ITV News reported first-hand on the storming of Congress
    Robert Moore and producer Sophie Alexander explain their first draft of history.

    “and how they came out unhurt.”
    doh, Like 98% of people there came out unhurt


    8pm Moral Maze returns with Ash Sarkar
    “personal responisibility” re Covid rules etc.
    No guests are listed only panelists , Andrew Doyle and Melanie are the righties


  42. G says:

    TikTok, WeChat and Huawei may be able to roam free in the US again? Democrat’s ‘in-house’ courts will be asked to decide.


    “Radio Free Asia reported last August that a People’s Liberation Army intelligence unit, working out of China’s now-closed consulate in Houston, Texas, was using big data to identify Americans likely to participate in Black Lives Matter and Antifa protests and then created and sent them “tailor-made” TikTok videos on how to organize riots.”

    I’ll bet the Chinese Communist Party will be thinking what a good investment it was putting money the way of, “Beijing Biden”. The damage this man and his masters will wreak will be irreversible.


  43. StewGreen says:

    screenshot Radio4 schedule today
    As ever around half of the progs are Guardianland
    (and that’s not including the news and Woman’s Hour which always are)
    11 Agenda pushing progs
    Tickboxing is heavy, 5 progs are BAME themed + 1 has a BAME face as the thumbnail
    3 are repeated twice today
    3 are on everyday


  44. Guest Who says:


    Were I a journalist of an inquiring nature, or even just a voter keen to see my country stable and properly led, I might find certain facts and imagery worthy of further investigation.

    Or… just pop another Alsatian on the fire and….



  45. Guest Who says:



  46. Guest Who says:

    Have the bbc sent a helo?


    • Guest Who says:

      Meanwhile, BBC NNNA BS’s RT buddies have…

      Remember well the days Laura K’s one job was announcing Ed Miliband coming in or out of doors. Or being on trains.


      • JohnC says:

        You know, I reckon that walk up the steps was planned and rehearsed. The switch from one side to the other was clearly to show the old duffer as spritely – but also designed to ensure the left hand rail was available to steady himself. Why else would he just move across ?. I’ve never done that in my life.
        And also I suspect the reason this utterly pointless video is being thust under our eyes.


  47. Guest Who says:

    Run Wild, run free… you’ll never catch AOC.


  48. Beltane says:

    Princess Latifa still hogging the BBC headlines. But why, since it seems so obvious to mature and rational people that HRH is in a same-sex relationship with a strapping and deep voiced Finn, are the BBC so coy about broadcasting the fact?
    If they have reservations about making Muslim attitudes to such behaviour public – hence the noble Sheikh’s desire to keep matters in the family and away from high buildings – why do they devote so much time to promoting other LGBQ etc issues?
    Puzzling, in’it?


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