Midweek Thread 13 January 2021

Free Speech feels under greater threat than ever before . Non ‘approved ‘ thinking or comments can get an entire website removed from easy access . Some think this site is a target for such treatment . It would be good to get ideas from users how the work of the Biased BBC website could continue should enemies of free speech succeed .

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579 Responses to Midweek Thread 13 January 2021

  1. Darcy3 says:

    When shall we three meet again ?

    When the hurlyburly’s done, When the battle’s lost and won

    Pelosi, Merkel and more than likely Corbyn in a black dress and pointy hat

    Oh hang on, Blairs making a comeback,funny that The British empire is denigrated by our black immigrants who are all living on its benefits, Churchill is a warmonger

    But Blair is back he didn’t start any wars did he, with the help of Campbell

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    • Darcy3 says:

      What is it £100 000 for a single missile ? someone is getting rich

      I’ve got a catapault in the shed somewhere and some ball bearings, but the Pentagon is not returing my calls

      they don’t know a bargain when they see one

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      • Darcy3 says:

        And with the cost of the missile all they manage with the quality of the video showing its effectiveness is equivalent to a 70s porn movie

        as I have been told, allegidley

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  2. Eddy Booth says:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-55660632

    There’s a YouTube genre where people uplosd videos of themselves excercing their right to film in public, and the confrontations that ensue as fluorescent vest wearers try to stop them

    Covid test sites are one destination .
    I remember such a video was ” popular ” here.a while ago.😃
    Anyway one YouTube group , Marti Blagborough , visited the York Covid test center ,
    Resulting in all three getting arrested.

    Of course the BBC not being real journalists can’t even tell this simple story properly,for some reason missing out the YouTube angle ,..

    “Three men are due to appear in court next month charged with obstruction after allegedly threatening staff at a coronavirus testing site.”

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  3. taffman says:

    Some get “tougher lockdowns” more that others . Catch it quick before it disappears …………..
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55647699

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  4. Eddy Booth says:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-55663564
    Free school meals: Outcry over move not to supply at half term

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  5. Tabs says:

    Bitcoin: Newport man’s plea to find £210m hard drive in tip
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55658942
    A man who threw away a laptop hard drive containing bitcoin he believes is now worth about £210m wants his council to let him search for it in landfill.

    Don’t the BBC have any technical ‘experts’ to check the crap written by so called journalists? Harddrives do not hold the bitcoins. This man has infact lost his harddrive that had his bitcoin wallet password on it. If he could remember his password he could recover his bitcoins from any Internet connected computer in the world.

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    • Oldspeaker says:

      Sounds just the job for bbc fact check Tabs.

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    • maxincony says:

      Tabs,

      Harddrives do not hold the bitcoins.

      Pedantry: *My wallet stuffed with twenty-pound notes doesn’t contain any money*.

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    • StewGreen says:

      The story is recycled every year since the first reporting 28th Nov 2013 (a href=”https://twitter.com/search?q=bitcoin%20%22James%20Howells%22%20until%3A2013-12-22&src=typed_query&f=live”>change the dates on the search
      It kind of helps publicise his cryptocurrency business.

      “He “totally forgot about bitcoin all together”
      When he threw the hard drive away in 2013, the value of the bitcoins was about $7.5m (£4.6m).”

      You get bit bitcoin to invest
      People obsessively check the rise
      they do not forget they had £5 million
      And anyone serious about money would back up data, not have one copy.

      he probably tells the council he is Jesus as well.

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  6. Oldspeaker says:

    Some very lacklustre analysis by Anthony Zurcher,
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55658517
    Impeachment being sought to stop Trump walking 2024 should at least be explored as a possible motive. I cant provide a source so take the following with a huge pinch of salt. There is a suggestion that the 2016 election had a 3% fix in place for the Dems, hence the total shock when Trump was elected.
    Anyway with the Dems in control of nearly everything America should be a land of milk and honey in a couple of years.

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  7. Guest Who says:

    One for most in the MSM, especially the editors at Today hanging on Greta’s every utterance.

    https://dilbert.com/strip/2021-01-14?

    Plus the three greenamigos, Horribin, McGraff and Rowlocks.

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  8. Doughboy says:

    Some Interesting points on the timeline of the so called riots in DC

    https://www.oann.com/eyewitness-details-first-hand-account-of-jan-6-riot/

    Maybe Marianna can fact check for us

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  9. The WestWyvern says:

    AntiBeeb News grudgingly mentioned cases of the china virus are falling over the last few days.

    That will displease the communists shrills who want more control over our daily lives.

    Ah, now but they loudly proclaim Four million of us are waiting for routine ops, some over a year.

    I wonder why AntiBeeb? Perhaps you could undertake some investigative journalism on this one for us, or are you going to use the number as another totem for shrilling about?

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  10. vlad says:

    The inimitable Salty gives an alternative perspective on events in Washington that challenges the narrative the lying BBC are peddling.

    “30 Thousand Troops Take Over DC For Most Popular Incoming Prez Ever”

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  11. StewGreen says:

    No evidence of election fraud ?
    Texas arrest
    Wouldn’t have happened except for ProjectVeritas having Twitter
    story via Gab-breaking news

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  12. Doobster78 says:

    With schools shut and lessons online , we ALL now get to see the Leftist propaganda forced upon our kids first hand .

    DISGUSTING. It’s brainwashing, like a cult !!!!!

       24 likes

  13. taffman says:

    “Richard Leonard quits as Scottish Labour leader”
    When is Drakeford going from Wales ?…………………….
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-55649017

       14 likes

    • Twin_Town says:

      Taff, it is embarrassing to have this oxygen thief as our 1st minister. The problem with politics here, you could put a pig with a red rosette pinned to it and labour would still win.

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  14. StewGreen says:

    Gateway Pundit maybe going over the top claiming they found an antifa arrested

    They assume he must be an agitator cos he’s a registered Democrat and come from an orthodox Jewish family.
    So doesn’t fit the MSM stereotype of a Trump supporter.
    However in the video he gives a convincing performance of a mild Trump supporter , someone who wants the election challenged rather than overthrown.
    Surely a good antifa actor would act the part of a rioter.

    https://nypost.com/2021/01/12/aaron-mostofsky-son-of-brooklyn-judge-charged-in-capitol-riot/

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  15. StewGreen says:

    Congresswoman pledges to impeach Joe Biden on his first day of office
    .. on the grounds he is beholden to China cos of his son
    (… hmm it’s difficult to apply UK standards to the US. )

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    • JohnC says:

      I really really wish that the first act of the Republicans is to set up 6 commitees with the sole purpose of finding reasons to impeach Joe.
      What a 180 degree U-turn we would see in the media. They would be attacked from every angle and any suggestions they make will be instantly ‘fact checked’ away.

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  16. Guest Who says:

    BBC Local Radio comes up with a new one degree of separation wheeze…

    ***
    What do you think of this tattoo?!

    A man from Kidderminster has gone and got a HUGE tattoo of Boris Johnson on his belly!

    But it’s all for a good cause… find out more on our Breakfast Show with Toni McDonald on Friday from 6am.

    ****

    NGO PR agencies take note.

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  17. G says:

    “Trump versus McConnell: House Republicans Back Trump”

    Wonderful news but remember the RINOS are still snakes.

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  18. StewGreen says:

    Paris police investigating alleged ‘black supremacist’ bomb-maker who blew up flat, injuring himself & 1 other
    Only non-French carrying it is RT

    https://www.rt.com/news/512543-black-supremacist-paris-explosives/

    https://www.lefigaro.fr/faits-divers/saint-leu-la-foret-un-supremaciste-noir-place-en-garde-a-vue-apres-un-incendie-20210114

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  19. StewGreen says:

    News channel now BBC Make A Blackference campaign

    Isn’t it patronising to always keep featuring black people as victims ?

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  20. Jack in the Green says:

    Was this the night we’re supposed to bang pots and pans for the health service? Filthy night for it if it is. Shame, really as the racket might have flushed out one of two GPs, a species that appears to have disappeared without trace. Unless you happen to be an MP in need of treatment of course.

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  21. G.W.F. says:

    BBC News 6pm. Warning because scientists predict disaster if global warming is not tackled. Fires and Floods, hottest ten years ever. Help, help.
    Ah, but Super Joe comes to the rescue willing to fight climate change and the report includes China too.
    See the way our BBC intends to cover China and Joe.

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  22. Luton Reject says:

    Maybe not the biggest issue in the world, but symptomatic of the BBC’s attitude towards older people. I’ve just fired this off to the BBC regarding Radio 2’s Pick Of The Pops –

    “It appears that like the rest of the BBC, this show has stopped catering for older people. I can’t remember the last time there was a chart featured from the 60s. Indeed it is becoming increasingly rare to even get a chart from the 70s. Of the ten charts currently available to listen to on BBC Sounds there are none from the 60s and only two from the 70s and they are both from 1979, the end of the decade. Neither are there any plans to feature the 60s and 70s over the next two Saturdays according to your upcoming shows list.

    Please tell me if this is deliberate policy to sideline older listeners who like these charts so I can stop wasting my time tuning in.”

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    • Darcy3 says:

      One thing I am a big fan of is diversity

      70s

      boy bands such as Osmonds, Bay City Rollers, soul, reggae, prog rock, heavy metal, blues rock, Ska. punk, new wave even the bloody wurzels

      bbc diverstity black black black who would run a mile if confronted with a musical instrument

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      • JohnC says:

        I’m glad ‘Love Thy Neighbour’ isn’t on any more. It was completely racist.
        The far-Left white guy was always wrong and made to look a complete fool in every episode and the black guy always came out on top.
        Even the choice of wives was racist. The black guy had a beautiful wife while Eddie was married to a young Nora Batty.

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        • JimS says:

          Do you think that is where the current TV producers and advertisers got their ideas from? The white non-fuzzy wuzzies ‘don’t like it up them’!

          Charlie Williams deserved a knighthood in comparison to the racist pair of Henry and Hamilton

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  23. Guest Who says:

    BBC News

    “This is a clear indication that the global signal from human-induced climate change is now as powerful as the force of nature.”

    ***
    Me either.

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    • Darcy3 says:

      Biggest greenhouse gas ?

      water

      cloudy day, warm, if you can see the stars frost in the morning

      and ten bloody minutes getting the car windscreen clear

      stick that up your pipe Attenborugh

      we are continually told things by the bbc that are contrary to what is in front of our eyes

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      • Darcy3 says:

        We use to have vinyards in England and not a car in sight

        or a muslim mayor taxing chariots

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      • Twin_Town says:

        Darcy, what annoys me about it all is that since water is the major greenhouse gas, why do they keep banging on about carbon capture… why don’t they reduce the sodding water and perhaps in addition to better weather for the penguins, we’d have some nice summers too 😁

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Travel ban from South America and Portugal – yet looking at Heathrow arrivals – two passenger planes coming from Portugal . Bet the passengers won’t get any examination – nor those on the flight in from Hong Kong ……

      Some one got a bung …

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  24. digg says:

    Oops moment for the BBC running an article with a lady in a field with binoculars from some loopy group or other berating us for not acting on global warming and threatening wildlife species followed immediately with the South weather forecast which is predicting sub-zero temperatures on the South Coast over the next few days!

    Bloody perfect!

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  25. JohnC says:

    BBC licence fee is ‘least worst’ option, says new chairman Richard Sharp.
    What a surprise.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55666242
    A piece of pure incestuous propaganda. They even seem to think we need to be told that he is of Jewish heritage and let him partake in some some totally irrlevant virtue-signalling – presumably to show us all they are not all racist Lefties after all.

       22 likes

    • theisland says:

      Don’t worry Peter, we are not in the slightest bit grateful. Hopefully the vapid pronouncements of the new chairman will result in even more people cancelling their licence. A disgrace.

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  26. digg says:

    My spider senses tell me we are now to face an onslaught of climate Armageddon bull from the BBC, mainly because they sense this will be a heavy direction for the lefty woke Dems when they take office so a win-win for the BBC.

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  27. Fedup2 says:

    The new chairman of the BBC apparently appeared before a parliamentary committee today . He does a lot for charidee -msuch as ‘giving ‘ £400 k to the red Tory party – don’t worry though – he said he had donated even more to other charidees.

    He also said the licence was good value .
    For the minority who are of the same political persuasion as the BBC this may be so – but for decent british people it’s plain theft

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    • Darcy3 says:

      Does he do stand up ? I have been tasked with sorting out entertainments for next Xmas party, he might be worth 10 minutes after the stripper

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    • BigBrotherCorporation says:

      It was this little gem from the BBC’s new chair (talking furniture, whatever will they think of next?) that has convinced me he’s not really on my side:

      “He said other possible options for funding the BBC in the future could include a household tax like the one used in Germany, “which amounts to the same amount of money”.”

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  28. Dave S says:

    Usual standard of pig ignorance from the BBC. The proposed coal mine in Cumbria. They do not like that at all. It will produce coking coal for steel and cement. If we do not mine it here it will have to be imported. Unless we give up steel making which the ignorant idiots at the BBC seem to want.
    It is the same with the steam coal needed for heritage railways etc. That is going to have to be imported because the BBC thinks it is a bad thing to mine it here.
    What a shower. Ignorance on stilts.

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    • JimS says:

      Meanwhile over in the beloved EU:

      “Germany has considerable reserves of lignite, making it one of the country’s most important indigenous sources of energy. There are long-term prospects to mine about 4 billion tonnes of lignite reserves at existing and approved surface mines.

      Within the figure for coal, hard coal accounted for 10.9% and lignite for 11.3% of total primary energy consumption. ”

      Lignite is filthy, brown stuff, that if burned in the UK Tom Heap would have a fit.

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  29. Northern Voter says:

    Whilst I was working for a local government department, one of the jobs was to check various papers required by ships. One vessel I inspected in Hull Docks was a coal carrier.30,000 Tonnes of coal all the way from Vietnam, loaded 50kg at a time by local Labour in baskets, up one gangway, tip load in hold, down another gangway. I was told by the chief it took 3 weeks to load, 24 hours a day. Then sail to the UK, taking a month. The coal was destined for Drax power station. It must surely have been cheaper to dig it out of the ground, 5 miles from Drax. Bloody climate clowns.

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    • taffman says:

      Northern Voter
      Three hundred years of coal left in Wales.

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      • Charlie Farley says:

        Taffman
        My dear old Dad was working in a Welsh pit at 14 years old….those were the days when you grew up fast ….lived till he was 85 and would be appalled to what this once Great Britain has become and especially Wales under Labour control…my sympathies to you !

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    • Banania says:

      Isn’t that the reason Drax power station was built there in the first place, to use local coal?

         1 likes

  30. Deborah says:

    6pm BBC1 news reported 4.5 million waiting for hospital appointments tonight. Today Mr D had to go to the hospital for a check up (last one 5 years ago). From listening to the BBC we had assumed it would be cancelled. It wasn’t and he is fine. Maybe it is actually 4.499,999 waiting.

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  31. Sluff says:

    In today’s doom and gloom announcements, the BBC 6 pm news headline story is the knock-on effect of covid on other patients in the NHS with non covid conditions.
    This has been a known issue for months so why has the BBC decided to moan on about it today?
    It cannot be random so must be part of a plan.

    Personally the irony is not lost on me that the BBC has been pursuing its anti-government, funerial doom-and- gloom agenda for months and then has the audacity to report on mental health deterioration.

    A truly seditious and obnoxious organisation.

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  32. Doobster78 says:

    Very sinister this cancellation of everything Trump. Very sinister indeed.

    Got to LOL at this reply tho.

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  33. BigBrotherCorporation says:

    Each to their own, and all that, but the BBC UK website is a bit full on men in frocks tonight:

    1. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-55650668
    ‘How ruPaul’s Drag Race UK Faced Covid Challenge’

    2. “The Search for the Next Drag Superstar is on”

    3. “Not Ready to Commit: Meet the 12 fabulous queens…”

    Just noticed that first one is on ‘newsbeat’, that’s the bit of the BBC my kids are supposed to watch, you know aimed at ‘young people’, where parents are supposed to feel their kids are ‘safe’ and getting ‘educated’. I’d like to claim I was shocked, but quite honestly, it’s the BBC, so no surprises there.

    Serious question, are lots of teenagers really into this? Is anyone? Because, quite honestly, panto dames, one of those things like clowns, and BBC ‘humour’, which is just cringeworthy rather than funny.

    If that’s all the BBC has got to offer in the way of entertainment I’m glad I cancelled the TV licence.

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  34. theisland says:

    https://thenationalpulse.com/analysis/trump-is-still-more-popular/

    “President Trump Is STILL More Popular Than Congress AND The Media”

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    • Richard Pinder says:

      That must mean that the majority of the people think the media is lying.
      Today the Daily Express is anti-Trump and pro “you must wear ze mask or we will punish you”. But with children being those most likely to be spreading the virus in the shops, it’s a surprise the fascists haven’t turned on the kids yet. The mind boggles at the inconsistencies of this insanity.

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  35. Up2snuff says:

    Belated appendix to As I See It’s excellent newspaper review:
    The Telegraph, Times and Financial Times have pictures on their front pages of US troops (from the National Guard) in the Capitol and supposedly guarding Congress. Most of them appear to be sleeping while a couple of them in the Telegraph photo are looking at the mobile phones. The picture is supposed to tell me that President Trump is a bad man and he is encouraging, inciting even, Republican voters with weapons to storm the Capitol and invade Congress.

    Maybe I am biased but those three pictures give me a different message. In the DT photo, the Congress House leader Steny Hoyer, with aides or other Congressmen, is walking past these troops lolling about. The message I take from that picture is different to the one the MSM – and the BBC, especially – would probably like me to take from it, the one I outlined above in italics.

    The message I get is the supreme disrespect of those National Guardsmen and National Guardswomen toward the Democrat Congressman and House Leader. Far fetched? Stretching a point? Being silly?

    OK, replace Steny Hoyer with the President or the man who will become President if nothing changes before next Wednesday. Those troops would be on their feet, standing to attention, weapons at hand and probably saluting. Maybe a Sergeant or Platoon Commander was being delinquent in not alerting and rousing his soldiers? Or was there a small protest going on by a small section of the US military, albeit the National Guard?

    What do you think?

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    • Richard Pinder says:

      I think I know what’s going on, but I also know why I should keep quiet about it. This is the confusion stage. Wonderful development. In the past I think I have been half right and half feed with useful fake news.

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  36. StewGreen says:

    RT Cross Talk podcast
    “millions of Americans had election grievances
    but the Supreme Court refused to hear
    .. so they caused tension to build up
    ..It’s a bit much to put all the blame on Trump”

    … Yep in fact the libmob system blocked Trump
    and then blame Trump for the problem they had caused.
    And if libmob did really cheat the election big time then that is super outrageous.

    Now Biden is talking of a Domestic Terrorism Bill to crack down on free speech even more

    How many times has the US encouraged
    stop the election steal protests in other countries ?”

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  37. StewGreen says:

    BBC campaigning to put steel workers out of jobs.
    leading the #GreatGreenLeapBackwards

    “Bloody Tories, opening the coal mines….. Go f*** yourself Roger.”

    “Roger isn’t laughing at China’s coal mines.

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    • StewGreen says:

      The argument is Scunthorpe could moved to 100% scrap steel processed in electric arc furnaces
      You know what that means ?

      Cutting down more American trees to ship to Immingham to train to Drax to burn dirtier than coal to make the leccy.

         20 likes

    • Garry Lavin says:

      Supplying British steel making would make sense. Unfortunately, it’s for steel makers in Serbia.

         2 likes

  38. Up2snuff says:

    Do you know what makes me suspicious about the MSM and the BBC, especially? They ‘keep moving the goal-posts’. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55645396 See para 3. “But the number soon began to rise and many cases have since been linked to the new highly infectious variant of Covid-19 first identified in the UK.”

    That same Covid variant has been credited – by the BBC and others in the media – to Brazil in March last year and, more recently, to South Africa. As other examples of this lack of precision, I include wobbling between precise Covid and imprecise coronavirus, imprecise SARS-Cov-2 and precise Covid-19 or Covid-20, deaths with Covid and deaths directly due to Covid, R-rate all important and then never mentioned for weeks on end, etc., etc..

    My exposure to science was dominated by my Physics teacher at A level. He used to rail about the GCSEs that were just about to be imposed on 16 year olds. He moaned about the lack of precision that those examinations would have. If he was asking questions of his class, he would expect precision in our answers and also in our written work.

    Wobbling this way and that, as the BBC do in their Covid reporting and with the statistics thereof, would not be acceptable to him.

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    • maxincony says:

      Up2snuff,

      That same Covid variant has been credited – by the BBC and others in the media – to Brazil in March last year and, more recently, to South Africa.

      The UK variant was only identified recently. What are you talking about – “March last year”??

      Several variants have emerged.

      “The South African variant carries a mutation called E484K, among others. It’s different to another recently discovered variant that scientists have been studying in the UK”.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55534727

      It’s pretty obvious; the more a virus is left to spread unchecked within a population the greater the chance it will mutate into something more contagious and/or more deadly. Something the thick-eared covidiots and “herd immunity” adherents still seem unable to understand.

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      • Kaiser says:

        it’s pretty obvious; the more a virus is left to spread unchecked within a population the greater the chance it will mutate into something more contagious and/or more deadly. Something the thick-eared covidiots and “herd immunity” adherents still seem unable to understand.

        or mutate into something less contagious and/or less deadly

        kinda like they tend too

        welcome back dickhead

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      • AndyDozefeet says:

        The “new variant” which the media frightens all you bed wetters to death with has been around since before September. The real problem with all this is that nobody knows who to believe and most of us are pretty sure that the govt is selective in what it tells us and the media generally is complicit in that.

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        • StewGreen says:

          “before September. ” …since Semptember ?

          I think you can only guess where variant originate from
          cos of the place where they take hold
          There is always a chance that the bloke who first got it in that place could have brought it in a plane from somewhere else.

          I don’t think it obvious that mutations just get more deadly
          eg a version that spreads easily but has a mild effect would cause a lot of people to become immune very quickly.

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        • Richard Pinder says:

          New variants of flue happen all the time. Also with over a thousand people in the NHS dying every day since it started. It means that the BBC could have produced alarmist propaganda by going into NHS hospitals in London and filmed ten people dying every day since 1948.

          The most important factor is the daily death rate compared to a flue epidemic. Last week I thought it was double that of a flue epidemic. But on deeper analysis, someone pointed out that SAGE use tricks like carrying over weekend figures to the following Monday.

          I note that one sister has been brainwashed by listening to a lot of alarmism on Radio 2. But another sees through the propaganda, calls the situation bizarre, and agrees that its just a new type of flue epidemic. That’s because she says she is to busy to listen to the radio, and hasn’t got a telly to watch the DVD I gave her for Xmas. But her job involves visiting lots of people in the real world of Lockdown.

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      • Eddy Booth says:

        Why an earth would a virus mutate to a more deadly form ?
        What’s the point in killing your host, who then can’t spread you around
        If we had gone for herd immunity in the summer, this new firm would have never evolved and we’d be back to normal by now
        I blame the lockdown zealots and furlough giro claimants for the current outbreak

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        • maxincony says:

          Eddy Booth,

          Why an earth would a virus mutate to a more deadly form ?

          Yeah, cos all the Covids get together once a week to discuss the best course of action…

          Why?

          Good grief.

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          • Darcy3 says:

            After billions of years of evolution, why haven’t germs recognized that to kill their host is to commit suicide? They have. Have you ever had the common cold? Did you die? No? That’s evolution.

            Every now and then a disease becomes so dangerous that it kills the host. If the disease is able to spread to another host before the first host dies, then it is not too lethal to exist. Evolution cannot make it less lethal so long as it can still spread. If a hypothetical disease eradicates its only host, both will indeed go extinct. The strain of the Black Death plague (Yersinia pestis) from the 14th century was too virulent and is now extinct, with modern strains [subspecies, like breeds of dog or varieties of crops] of the bacteria producing less devastating symptoms (although nothing is stopping another deadly strain from appearing again). Extinction is a part of evolution. There is no goal in evolution, so if a creature evolves a trait that drives it to extinction, so be it.

            As others have stated, many of the deadly human diseases are non-lethal animal diseases: there are other hosts. The disease evolved to infect other animals and not kill them, but in humans it either kills the host or dies itself and does not get spread. The animal is the disease reservoir. Even if all humans were vaccinated against such a disease, we’d need to vaccinate the animal reservoir too in order to eradicate the disease, which is impractical if not impossible. (Smallpox had no reservoir, so we eliminated it successfully.) Humans are also sometimes a dead-end host, where the disease evolved by chance to infect us but not survive through us.

            Note too that humans are also evolving. Death by disease is part of the process: not all people infected with Black Death died, and the survivors thus spread their genes. Certain immunity genes are more prevalent in once plague-affected areas: 10% of Europeans are immune to HIV, thought to be a side effect of the genes that helped their ancestors survive plague.

            Again, evolution has no plan or direction. It is a process that makes mistakes.

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            • Darcy3 says:

              But, despite all this, would be fascinated if you could forward the agenda for the meeting you referred to, Charles Darwin’s relatives may also be interested, if only for morbid curiosity

              Science and the far left rarely meet I hope Fed2 shares his popcorn for the next meeting with Kim Jong_-un sharing his insights with the world community, or Venazuala or wherever else Corbyn supports

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      • Up2snuff says:

        Yes, March last year, maxi. We haven’t had March this year yet. 😉 Do keep up. I note that you and Darcy are double teaming on the trolling at present. Why not invite Piku and his Wild Woman girlfriend to join in the on-line party? 😉 No chance of getting fined or arrested. BYOB. Is that what you all run on, btw? 🙂

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        • Darcy3 says:

          You are deluded, but, again, not the first time please allow me to express my opinions without being so rude

          I am being polite and you are not, or SG

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          • Up2snuff says:

            Darcy, just to remind you, you rudely attacked me for supporting one of your posts. You are the rude, resident troll and have demonstrated that by your recent posts. Why should we pay any attention to you? At least we only get occasional ‘drive by snipings’ by maxi and Co. They are quite fun, in their own pathetic way.

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      • Banania says:

        That is pretty well the opposite of what happens.

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    • StewGreen says:

      The talk about the UK, South Africa, and Brazil Covid variants gets muddled
      It’s said they have similar effects ..eg. increase the spread.
      And sometimes they have physical similarities
      “The South African one has one of the same mutations as the UK one, plus two more that scientists think may interfere more with vaccine effectiveness”
      The Brazil one has three key mutations in the spike protein that make it similar to the South Africa one”
      “The Brazil variant emerged in July”

      TV news is by it’s nature rubbish and full of people jabbering away as they push agendas.
      Go and read a book.

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      • Up2snuff says:

        Stew, thanks for the correction. Defective memory got the date wrong or did I read it in a BBC article on the w-site. Aaaugggh! More gaslighting by the BBC. 😉

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  39. StewGreen says:

    RT : Republic of Ireland facing ‘major challenge’ as it records world’s highest number of new Covid-19 cases per million
    https://www.rt.com/news/512487-ireland-major-challenge-covid-19-cases/

    RT : Hungary has agreement for China’s Sinopharm vaccine, says minister, despite Brussels warning against non-EU procurement
    Hungary has rea

    RT : Police station SET ON FIRE in Brussels as protest over death of black man following his arrest turns into riot (VIDEOS)
    https://www.rt.com/news/512465-belgium-police-custody-young-black-man/

    RT : Scientists in Australia have called for a halt to the rollout of the AstraZeneca vaccine, claiming recent data has cast doubt on the inoculation’s ability to create herd immunity.

    RT : Google admits experimentally blocking some Australian news sites

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  40. taffman says:

    “BBC licence fee is ‘least worst’ option, says new chairman Richard Sharp”
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55666242

    Not for those who pay for it. If you like it you pay for it!
    Or turn it into a voluntary funded charity. If its as good as it claims it is, it will make lots of money and pay the Inland revenue .
    Simples

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  41. StewGreen says:

    Breaking : footage of the BLM ..capitol riot guy inciting
    CAUGHT ON VIDEO: Antifa Protester John Sullivan Brags About Posing As Trump Supporter, Breaking Window At US Capitol Building During Riots
    “Jayden X”, can be heard inciting violence from inside the U.S. Capitol and boasting about breaking a window.

    a blonde woman accompanying Sullivan who appears to be his accomplice, Jade Sacker, gleefully exclaims, “We did it!”

    It is remarkable video .. but the source is unverified
    .. the stakes are high , so maybe some one went to the trouble of faking it.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/caught-video-antifa-protester-john-sullivan-brags-posing-trump-supporter-breaking-window-us-capitol-building-riots

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  42. vlad says:

    While the lying BBC presents Trump as instigating violence, US Rep. Greene puts the record straight: “Trump has held over 600 rallies in the last 4 years & none of them included assaulting police, destroying businesses or burning down cities. Democrats have spent all this time endorsing & enabling violent riots that left billions in property damage & 47 dead.”

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  43. StewGreen says:

    People make wacky prediction of things that will happen
    which then don’t come to pass
    But these October 29t predictions look interesting.

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  44. StewGreen says:

    @SecPompeo US government account
    We suspended funding to UNRWA, which is riddled with waste, fraud & concerns of support to terrorism. UNRWA is not a refugee agency; it’s estimated <200,000 Arabs displaced in 1948 are still alive and most others are not refugees by any rational criteria.

    Taxpayers deserve basic truths: most Palestinians under UNRWA’s jurisdiction aren’t refugees, and UNRWA is a hurdle to peace. America supports peace and Palestinian human rights; UNRWA supports neither. It’s time to end UNRWA’s mandate.

    The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East is a UN agency that supports the relief and human development of Palestinian refugees

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  45. StewGreen says:

    #ItsOKwhenWeDoIt

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  46. taffman says:

    “North Korea unveils new submarine-launched missile”
    Is it because Trump has gone ? What will BLM and Antifa do about this ?

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  47. Darcy3 says:

    bbc or not bbc hmm ?

    Llandovery is looking less attractive by the day as a holiday venue

    Sod the lady in the lake

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    • taffman says:

      There are other places, try Penally? They have a nice, diverse holiday camp located there by the sea. Book now before it gets full.

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      • Scroblene says:

        Taff, do the studes at Aberystwyth Uni still do a ritual ‘kick’ on the kerb at the end of the prom?

        Often wonder about that!

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      • Darcy3 says:

        Now that would be a “thing”, as our millenials remind us, a fully booked Welsh holiday camp or hotel

        Despite my appreciation of werewolf horror films and associated behavior, I would rather keep it at a distance

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    • Scroblene says:

      George North was at school in Llandovery!

      I thought you ought to know that…

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      • Darcy3 says:

        Wife did not think much of it

        neither did I come to think of it most of it was closed

        seems to be a hobby with them, closing things, we should recruit them in Dover

        no one would undertand what they are talking about with the plethora of consonants

        That would piss off the Iraqis in their rubber dingies FFS what the F are they talking about

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        • Darcy3 says:

          Even the Romans gave up in the end. I dont blame them, 4 years of a welsh maths teacher I learnt more about avoiding left hooks than I did about dfferentiation and integration

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  48. taffman says:

    “Rules of origin: Why are Percy Pigs a headache for M&S?”
    Do you guys buy these pigs?
    Are they really important to UK economy.
    As the EU sell more to us than we sell to them they will be the losers.

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  49. taffman says:

    “Covid: UK’s ban on South America travellers comes into force”
    A bit late ?
    Why was no ban placed on “travellers” coming across the Channel in rubber dinghies?

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  50. Oldspeaker says:

    “Coronavirus: Fake news ‘causing BAME people to reject Covid jab'”
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55666407
    The above article informs about what isn’t in the vaccine, maybe the most effective way to win people over would be an article specifying exactly what the vaccine contains.

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