Weekend Thread December 12 2020

Deal or No Deal Part 2 – or somewhere in between ? BBC happily shouting about shortages and price increases and not lay any of this Project Fear stuff at the door of the EU . Nothing changes .

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267 Responses to Weekend Thread December 12 2020

  1. Guest Who says:

    Does not occur to Mel that folk opting to not watch or listen to the output of tech giants is perhaps more at the door of the public service broadcasters?

    Sure Amol asked that in there.


  2. Mustapha Sheikup al-Beebi says:

    From the BBC News website:

    “Nigeria school attack: Hundreds missing in Katsina after gunmen’s raid.”

    “Hundreds of students are feared missing after gunmen raided a secondary school in north-western Nigeria.

    The attackers arrived on motorbikes and started shooting in to the air, causing people to flee, witnesses said.

    They targeted the Government Science Secondary School – where more than 800 students are said to reside – in Katsina state on Friday evening.

    More than 200 students have been rescued, while the army and air force have joined the search for the missing.

    … … … … …”

    Nothing about any possible motivation for the attack …

    Then, in the final paragraph, almost as an afterthought, we get this:

    “In 2014, more than 270 girls were kidnapped by the militant Islamist group Boko Haram from a school in the north-eastern Nigerian town of Chibok.”


  3. Fedup2 says:

    The 15 year old stabbed to death in North Woolwich early Friday evening has been named as ‘Kayjon Lublin’ – no need for a picture . Apparently a 25 year old man has been arrested for his murder – it doesn’t mention if he is ‘local ‘ or not …….

    Meanwhile ban the police – ban stop and search – make all knives blunt ….

    I thought I’d mention this because the death of a 15 year old child in such circumstances doesn’t register much any more….


    • The WestWyvern says:

      What’s the tragic total for the year Fed, is it nearing 300, the Beeb don’t seem to give it air time, I guess because one of their favourites is the ‘mare’ and they mustn’t be seen to be promoting negativity regards a Muslim.

      Apparently the traditional Norwegian gift of the Christmas tree to say thanks for our help in WW2 has been treated shabbily this year, the decorations look like a pound shop mock up at best. Yet another example of the dwarfish big nosed one denying the Christmas tradition in his multicultural stabbing capital.

      I’ll wager there’s no cross at the top.


      • Scroblene says:

        I only heard this week, that Norway isn’t a member of the dreaded EU.

        Apparently, they have their own trade deal with the other countries, which suits them pretty well, so why can’t the over-paid nerds in W1A understand that business leaders in Great Britain are incapable of doing the same?

        You wonder why the BBC employ people who are so thick, and have never had to negotiate a real deal!


  4. StewGreen says:

    8:30pm channel4 Alice Roberts in Edinburgh

    The TV guide makes clear her agenda
    “Roberts is rarely slow to disparage the horrors of Britain’s imperial past
    .. and this week’s target is the politician Henry Dundas
    who opposed abolishing slavery”.


    • taffman says:

      8:30pm channel4 Alice Roberts in Edinburgh
      She is talking about different times and different standards.
      These liberal historians fall into the naive trap of comparing these times with present ideals 200 years or more on.

      Perhaps not so naive?, but a deliberate negative interpretation to undermine the nation’s proud history and empire .
      A far superior and humane empire than any that has existed. One of the first countries in the world to abolish slavery.


      • StewGreen says:

        Ironic That Alice’s official twitter account
        just went Conspiracy Theory
        … I haven’t got time to check the context.


      • Beltane says:

        Quite right taff. While the Romans – to name but one early empire – are fondly remembered for central heating, sewers and straight roads, the enduring savagery, callousness and brutality required to create their empire and the institutional slavery demanded to maintain it is conveniently sidelined – not least by today’s ‘historians’.


    • StewGreen says:

      Now it’s the seg
      “Within 5 days of the George Floyd event we had a narrative with the council”
      However the older black activist who said that said he doesn’t believe in taking statues down
      Just that should be left in context and explanation added.

      Funny how the anti-slavery bit is always at the end of her show , as a take away
      (or maybe to be edited out of foreign reruns)


  5. StewGreen says:

    TheTimes review of the new Vicar of Dibley
    Covid editions

    The same reviewer owns up to the metroliberal media bubbleworld
    in his review of the prog about the Poundland bosses.


  6. Guest Who says:

    Meanwhile Lurch is obsessing on ‘reports’ from others that a member might have gone in a building.

    Possibly not to burn it down.


  7. Guest Who says:

    Brillo notices something about colleagues.


  8. Deborah says:

    Mr D gave a cry of despair as he read the Telegraph this morning (we only but Saturday edition for the crossword and Charles Moore). But I digress. Mr D read that the chair for Just a Minute is going to be taken in turn by Stephen Fry, Jo Brand, another BBC female who is sufficiently unfunny that I cannot remember her name and Nish Kumar. Certainly the last in the list doesn’t have the brains or the quick wits that Nicholas Parsons had when over 90 and doesn’t have the ability to Chair the programme. I won’t be listening.


    • Guest Who says:

      How was Mr. Kumar’s triumphant conquest of the American comedy scene?

      Or is that why he is back?


    • StewGreen says:

      Kumar is only chairing one episode of the 10
      This series will see 10 guest presenters follow in the footsteps of Nicholas Parsons who died earlier this year.

      BBC Radio 4’s Just a Minute will have long-standing panellists Paul Merton and Gyles Brandreth,
      as well as Lucy Porter*, Stephen Fry, Jo Brand and Nish Kumar in the host’s chair for a new series beginning in February.”

      * BTW she’s Justin Edward’s wife


      • Guest Who says:

        They should fly Lurch over.

        For the wit.


  9. Jeff says:

    About the only thing I regularly catch on the BBC these days is Gardeners’ Question Time. And that’s about to end…

    Last week they indulged themselves by giving us a ten minute lecture about the lack of BLM folk involved in floristry. Honestly! A couple of listeners had noticed this and thought “something must be done!” Why, FFS? It’s not something I’ve ever thought about and I wonder who would. I just think there’s now some very odd people listening to Radio 4…

    I tend to tune in to GQT to get some expert advice about over wintering my dahlias or pruning my wisteria.

    I don’t want a bleedin’ lecture from the wokerati…


    • Scroblene says:

      Jeff, cop hold of this great website for decent advice, absolutely no politics or leftie dross, just gentle banter!


      It has so many good chums that I’m usually getting – and giving, advice most days! It takes a while to realise that our passion is followed so much more pleasantly!

      We gave up GQT years ago, and that was a shame, but the prog became intolerable! Well done BBC, you ruined yet another British institution.


  10. Guest Who says:

    Bunter emerges.


    Collapse of stout party.


    • StewGreen says:

      Boulton you nutter
      Current metroliberal Journalism is primarily a CREATIVE activity

      .. you carefully select your ingredients
      selectively omit others
      and then COOK your stories


  11. Guest Who says:

    Just visualising Trevor Macdonald being dragged kicking and screaming into the local surgery as Jez bops around outside beating his saucepan screaming ‘I am prepared to sacrifice!’.


  12. pugnazious says:

    The BBC still pushing the pro-EU, anti-Brexit narrative…..we’re all going to die as we plunge off that cliff-edge in the car crash called Brexit.

    Always so very one-sided and wrong. BBC presenter stated that this was the first time that ‘ideology’ had come to the fore and economics came second as ‘Brexit’ and taking back control dominated……well…er…only in BBC land where economics, their version, always came first and the real reason for Brexit, sovereignty, was barely mentioned….that huge benefit of ‘taking back control’ and not being ruled by Brussels just wasn’t a ‘good thing’ for the BBC so it ignored it….that ‘ideology’ was always the core of Brexit.

    As for fishing…curious how the BBC just isn’t bothered that the EU just wants to basically steal our fish….we’re always told that the fishing industry is not important economically, just a blip on the GDP….well, maybe, but why is that? Because the EU decimated our own industry as foreign factory ships were handed the quotas and they hoovered up our fish putting our own fishermen out of work.

    It is astonishing how the BBC puts so much import and emphasis on the words of Tobias Ellwood….whilst forgetting to mention he is a Remainer still fighting Brexit…..a man who is in essence, as he protests on their behalf, collaborating and colluding with a foreign power to undermine British national interest and security….never mind the highly dubious and untrustworthy Humza Yousaf, Scottish government justice minister, whom you might suspect has no interest in Scottish nationalism but is always ‘Muslim First’.

    Clearly the BBC et al hope by ramping up the doom mongery they can pressure Boris into a last minute bad deal…an act of surrender.

    What the BBC doesn’t like to state is that a bad deal is far, far worse than a no deal….with a no deal you can at any time continue to negotiate for a deal of course…however, sign that bad deal and you’re in the trap…..pretty much guaranteed for decades under the EU thumbscrews….a vassal state if you like.

    Always interesting how the BBC frames things and avoids mentioning the inconvenient truths.


  13. pugnazious says:

    Where does Country File dig them up? Yet another fruit and nut case spewing out loony crap like a muck spreader on turbo.

    ‘A BBC presenter came under fire today after claiming racism had become endemic in gardening.

    James Wong, 39, said the “fetishisation” of words such as “heritage” and “native” were examples of how “UK gardening culture has racism baked into its DNA”.
    The botanist, who has presented Countryfile and appeared as a panellist on Radio 4’s Gardeners’ Question Time, made the remarks on Twitter after a user shared an article he wrote last month questioning why horticulture wasn’t perceived as more political.

    In a series of tweets, he said: “The idea of field of ‘wildflowers’ (they ironically meant non-native cornfield weeds) was ‘more in keeping with the area’ is not just historically f*****. “It also is predicated on often unconscious ideas of what and who does and does not ‘belong’ in the U.K.

    “This is the kind of exhausting s*** you have to go through everyday if you work in U.K. horticulture. “Unless of course you internalise these unquestioned (often unconscious) ideas that are predicated in large part on a bedrock xenophobia and racism.”‘

    Surely one of those satirical joke woke sites like Tatania? But no, all too, too real.

    Having said that he has actually opened my eyes…and yes indeed gardens are sooooooooo racist and white supremacist.

    Just look at those regimented lines, that clipped perfection, the tight borders, the rigorous weeding out of the undesirable, the pleasure in unity, oneness and harmony, the vigorous quest for health, strength and beauty.

    OMG!!!! It’s so like a Nuremberg Rally!!!!! OMG!!!!!


    • StewGreen says:

      Wong maybe quite autistic or something
      He once put up a dramaqueening tweet
      I tweeted back politely showing he was overstating
      and he quickly blocked me.
      but he’s a super blocker, who blocks at whim.


    • StewGreen says:

      Wong got ratioed 1,600 to 643


    • BRISSLES says:

      Depending what programme he is on, James Wong changes his title to suit. Years ago he appeared on the shopping channel QVC as an eco-botanist who worked for the beauty brand Liz Earle, extolling the virtues of botanic ingredients in a face wash.

      It never ceases to amaze me how virtuous these migrant (he’s from Malaysia) critics are about us and our way of life. Would he dare say these things in his homeland ? I doubt it. He has however, made a lucrative name for himself on the tv show circuit – where he styles himself as an Ethobotanist.


      • Scroblene says:

        What on Earth is an ‘ethobotanist’?

        Back in the 1990s, I used to meet one of the original presenters of Countryfile. She was a brilliant communicator, showed no hint of any politics, (but, she was clearly a normal business woman who left the prog to run her own company), and could hold any IOD company spellbound with very few words, zilch ideals, and just show the way to produce something well.

        That’s all gone now. Yet another BBC-ruined programme.

        You’d think that people like James Wong might understand that once he’s nailed his mistaken beliefs to film, there would be an instant backlash, but like a lot of the beeboids, it goes ‘whooooosh’ over his head!


  14. Fedup2 says:

    Yes I think Sunday will be peak traitor / troll day – as the dead are rolled out across papers and TV to support the EU against the UK .
    As for claims by any BBC droid that Brexiters are primarily concerned about ‘trade ‘ with the EU – then they are either thick , liars or just lost.

    I repeat my view – whilst Brussels plays Franco German games other smaller economies within the EU must really be worried about loss of the UK market at the demand of Brussels ….
    They seem to think we can’t source stuff from other parts of the world – as we did before we were tricked to join the Monster in the making


    After the ‘no deal ‘ they traitors will switch there energy – malice to demonstrating that we should never have left and should have bent to the will of the Franco German alliance . …..

    Particularly when the first illegal EU fisherman is arrested or drowns ….


  15. pugnazious says:

    ‘This is not about a few journalists’ hubris or error. It’s a warning of institutional decline. The coronavirus has tested all our institutions – health, police, politics – and most have failed because they long ago forgot what they are there to do. The same is true of the broadcasters’

    Tim Stanley in The Telegraph states what we’ve all been saying here…..the media has been fully on-board with the government lockdown narrative…none more-so than the BBC of course….there has been no challenge or push-back on the need for or justification for a lockdown and indeed the BBC et al have actually been the cheerleaders for lockdown putting pressure on the government to ramp up the measures demanding ever more strict and illiberal measures…..not only has the media failed to hold power to account allowing Boris and Hancock to run riot, but has actually become part of the problem.

    ‘ Broadcasters must stop lockdown cheerleading

    Kay Burley’s rule breaking should prompt broadcast media to question how they report the pandemic .

    Kay Burley, the Sky News presenter, broke the Covid rules at her 60th birthday bash last week. She got caught, she’s off air for six months. It’s an embarrassment, but not just for her and the other Sky News journalists, including Beth Rigby, who attended the party. For a year, the broadcasters have hammered the Government for not locking down soon enough or hard enough. There has been hardly any balance in their coverage; the evisceration of private life or the destruction of the British economy has barely been considered. But if one of their own, a star in their firmament, can’t keep to these rules, could it be because the rules are inhuman and unreasonable? If so, perhaps it’s time for them to change how they cover the pandemic.

    Superficially, it’s been a good year for the broadcasters – the early press briefings were a ratings bonanza – but in moral terms it’s been a stinker, because most of their journalists did not do what they’re supposed to do. They ought to give us the facts and interrogate every perspective, even the less popular ones. Instead, they picked a narrative and stuck to it, as all the while, if Ms Burley is any guide, they broke the rules themselves.

    They jacked up the panic. We have been deluged with worst-case scenarios, anecdotes of deaths but few of collapsing firms, and reports of ultra-rare cases, such as children who have succumbed to the virus, presented as if they were common. (“The disease is determined to divide us,” said an ITV journalist, as if it had grown a brain and joined Twitter.) If the pandemic was an extinction-level event, then logic dictated that lockdown must be good and anyone sceptical of it was bad.

    When a debate is permitted, it is cast in binary terms – do we close shops or abandon the old? – and producers have repeated that old trick, popular with green policy or Brexit, of inviting on the most extreme pundits to represent the least politically correct side. People so nutty and charmless they make Piers Morgan seem measured and graceful.

    As for the broadcast journalists sent to quiz ministers, they only seemed to have two questions tattooed to the back of their hand: “Why don’t you lock down more?” or “Why are we risking lives by opening up so soon?” I can’t recall hearing the actual principle of lockdown being challenged. Nor do I remember the words: “What about Sweden?” or “What is the scientific evidence behind this measure?” or “Can business survive this?”

    When the economy went down the pan, the same broadcasters who had cheered the lockdown seemed genuinely surprised. The new question is “Why won’t you spend more money?”

    The broadcasters probably believe the normal job of reporting, and the critical thinking required to do it, has been suspended for a season, that what matters is “keeping people safe”, which would be why the press conferences are an echo chamber. The Government does something. The broadcasters demand an escalation. The Government feels obliged to try harder. For the first time in my career, I understand how governments already inclined to put up a fight can be goaded into a war by a media that we trust to be cynical and detached – because the broadcasters did not just endorse the lockdown, they were critical to its success. They even policed it. On one occasion, the BBC’s Stephen Nolan stood outside a petrol station in Belfast hectoring customers who didn’t wear masks. This is elite-level arrogance.

    I like Kay Burley. Such is her reputation for terrifying miscreants that whenever my best friend and I do something wrong, we put on our “Kay voice” and say “Are you going to apologise for that on this show?” She, along with her colleagues, has been hoist by her own petard; one of the newspapers even mapped out her night of shame like it was a murder spree. But shed no tears, for Kay is off on full pay, whereas the hairdresser in Yorkshire who refused to shut is to be fined £17,000, and the organisers of a funeral in Kettering £10,000. Not to speak of the Britons who, exercising their civil right to protest, have been thrown into the back of police vans. Those defiances, even if arguably injurious to health, are at least acts of conscience that reflect principle. They are not hypocrites. They did not say one thing and then do another.

    Ultimately, this is not about a few journalists’ hubris or error. It’s a warning of institutional decline. The coronavirus has tested all our institutions – health, police, politics – and most have failed because they long ago forgot what they are there to do. The same is true of the broadcasters. If they had a special remit in a time of pandemic it was, yes, to help us stay safe, but also to hand out accurate information and enable us to make decisions based upon our own judgment of the risks. Hysteria and breathless reporting of diktat without dissection is wrong.

    Lots of people will quietly break the rules this winter because some are simply unworkable. If an intelligent person like Ms Burley struggles to stick to them, perhaps the broadcasters need to ask what their rationale is and if they actually work.


  16. StewGreen says:

    She is jumping all the Amazon it’s obvious she doesn’t speak Spanish/Portuguese
    That’s kinda bad cos people will treat you as a stupid Gringo.

    Now tribes should peak their own language
    and you should leave the alone
    cos what happens is dominant cultures swamp them.

    Nevertheless she is with a Maquiritari tribe and patting the kids etc.
    the kid is speaking to the neighbour in Spanish.

    A few minutes later she mention that in the 40s the tribe was devastated by smallpox brought in by people from the outside.
    Doh cos the outsiders do stuff like pat the kids
    … that’s wrong cos we carry disease that they are not resistance to.

    A few minutes later she mentions that the language is dying out doh.

    She enthuses about the tribes and nature
    … that is also a bit of a myth
    tribes do screw up nature a lot
    It’s just that with not many people and not many tools
    one area recovers as the next area gets destroyed


    • StewGreen says:

      BTW earlier she mentioned that horses had gone extinct from South America 13,000 years ago
      well it wasn’t #whiteManBad that caused that
      nor our cars.

      She mentioned about contrary to all the others one tribe’s DNA shows not a Siberian origin, but Australian one.
      She didn’t mention a crucial thing that the Amazon is not on the Pacific coast, so they must have crossed the Andes mountains to get there.


  17. taffman says:

    “Pushbacks: Migrants accuse Greece of sending them back out to sea”
    Greeks are getting fed up with ‘Merkel’s Marauders’?
    If the Royal Navy is being used to defend our fish why can’t they be used to defend and secure our coast against incursions by potential terrorists being shipped in from France ?


  18. Fedup2 says:

    If you combine the deceit of the health mafia with the deceit of the government and MSM – we will never know the suffering and death caused by blanket lockdowns – the non working NHS and complete lack of preparation or a plan . …..

    Burley has done the bubble a big service by showing them how to be more discrete in their activities – but there again the MSM won’t be looking for the countless episodes of rule breaking these people have and are committing – they’ll leave that to the likes of Guido …

    In any other circumstance they’d be offering money for reports of such people breaking the rules …


    • Fedup2 says:

      Just for entertainment – someone has put up the 1 minute 47 second clip of channel 4 news revealing the outcome of the General Election – and the sound of the smug metro bubble bursting from the kidults in the audience .lovely .


  19. Guest Who says:

    Love what they have done with the place.

    This new media ‘kick off trumps responsibility’ thing is struggling to take hold.


  20. Guest Who says:

    Two, pictures… two!

    No feet.


  21. Dover Sentry says:

    The BBC will continue the Brexit war after January 1st.

    Just you watch 😉


  22. pugnazious says:


    • Fedup2 says:

      16 minutes – a discussion of depth which will not be heard on the BBC – perhaps it is a taste of what the new Brillo channel will be like .
      I notice Brillo dances around being of conventional BBC group think and then jumps out of it and back in – presumably to play a tune acceptable to OFCOM and his friends in the Bubble .

      As for the discussion – about coloured maccarthyism where the baddie this time isn’t being communist – it means being white ….


  23. Scroblene says:

    Being a somewhat bewildered Scrobs, can any good chum here please explain to me; ‘what is Marianna Spring for’?

    Is she meant to be interesting? Informative? Leftie? Righty even…

    I really do not understand what she actually does or says, and presumably gets paid for! Her ‘writings’ are gobbledegook, so I still can’t fathom what her position in life is!

    I even tried to check online, and saw a mention of The Guardian, so maybe that’s a clue, but as that sad old rag is so out of touch with normal citizens, I’m still none the wiser!

    Please help!


    • StewGreen says:

      Like a lot of tools, they are useful, but bad if used badly.

      So fact checking is good
      but WEAPONISED fact checking SELECTIVELY against political opponents is bad.

      If you follow BBC “Trending” you see that is what they do
      The topics they air are so often NOT trending at all
      And what is trending they don’t cover cos it’s positive to the right.
      So I suspect Mariana is a puppet operated by Wendling and team.


      • Scroblene says:

        Thank you, Stew; I think I get the picture…

        Well, some of it anyway, because I thought ‘trending’ was a posh way of being a Mod in the sixties!

        I always assume that the BBC ‘news’ will favour lefties, Bidenites, Burnhamites etc, so at 4.00am, there’s sometimes a loud click on the wireless, the earphones are popped out with a grump, which doesn’t quite wake up Senora O’Blene, but makes me feel better!

        I suppose that Marianna has been wheeled in to try and get more kids to listen and watch drivel. Stupid thing to do really, as hardly any kids listen to the BBC anyway!


  24. pugnazious says:

    According to ‘Sunday’, and the whole BBC in general, the Indian Hindu government is a ‘Far-Right’ nationalist government….it may well be ‘Hindu First’ but when do you ever hear the BBC use similarly dismissive and condemnatory language for other religio/nationalist states…..such as Pakistan or indeed any other Muslim country….are they not ‘Far-Right’ due to their Muslim First policies? How about Scotland under the one -party rule of the, erm, Scottish nationalists?[Clue’s in the name?] Are they not Far-Right, or rather Far-Left, nationalists….Wee Shuggy getting ever closer to Stalin everyday?

    How is it that certain ‘nationalists’, whose nationalism is based upon race and identity alone, get a free pass from the BBC but others who seek to make their nations prosper and thrive with political and economic ‘nationalism’ are condemned by the BBC?

    Yet another classic example of how the BBC is utterly biased and a campaigner for certain causes. Why would any American President not put American interests first? That’s what he is elected to do….and yet the BBC raced to shout down Trump…..if Biden ever comes near to saying something similar you can bet your bottom dollar the BBC will praise him to the hilt for his concern for the American people, their futrue prospects and the state of the Nation.

    The BBC is as political and dangerous as ever as it promotes dangerous regimes and ideologies and does its best to undermine the foundations of western society and its economy…and thus in effect the peace and prosperity of the world.

    The BBC is the most dangerous organisation in Britain…anti-democratic, anti-white, anti-family, anti-capitalism, anti-Jew, anti-Hindu but pro-terrorism, pro-eco extremism, pro-black extremism, pro ‘unpleasant and backward’ religions, pro-anything that will destroy the West and ‘Whiteness’.


    • JohnC says:

      The more the Right (which to me means ‘common sense’ ) rises against Left as they get more extreme, the more bitter and resentful the Left get. I’m now convinced that a lot of what the BBC put out is just to spite their politcial enemies.
      They have done more to divide society by promoting anti-white racism and discrimination than anyone. The country is now more fractured than ever.


    • G says:

      “The BBC is as political and dangerous as ever as it promotes dangerous regimes and ideologies and does its best to undermine the foundations of western society and its economy…and thus in effect the peace and prosperity of the world.”

      I couldn’t find a definition of Marxism any better than that.


  25. Guest Who says:



    • StewGreen says:

      Boulton’s next tweet
      I’m more interested in @realDonaldTrump ‘s personal charge sheet than @JoeBiden‘s sons.



  26. JohnC says:

    And yet again I am stunned by the outrageous and deliberate misrepresentation by the BBC to push their ‘diversity’agenda.
    Here’s a story about a black guy caught with a gun. It’s obvious he was as guilty as hell but seems to have turned himself around. Even the Guardian pales in comparison to the absolute tosh the BBC wrote.
    Here’s the Guardian article:
    Now read the heart-rending story of the innocent victim from the BBC:
    Good luck to the guy – but it’s clear he is no saint. The BBC of all people should not be allowed to do this.


    • pugnazious says:

      Has no ‘priors’ because he hadn’t been caught….why exactly was a loaded gun in the car?…oh…‘ intent to endanger life ‘. Not a gang member? Guess those Nazis back in the ’30’s just joined up for ‘protection’ as well and were only obeying orders….they were the real victims just as Smith is the real victim here….but hey, he’s turned his life around.

      From Hackney Gazette in 2012….

      ‘Two gang members have been jailed after police found a loaded Baikal handgun hidden in a bandana inside their car.

      Niyah Smith, 20 of Wick Road, Homerton, and Lance Brown, 26, of and Nottingham Road, Leyton both pleaded guilty to possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life at Wood Green Crown Court today.

      They were each sentenced to eight years and six months’ imprisonment.

      Officers from the Trident Gang Crime Command along with armed police stopped an Audi A3 heading towards Wood Green in June, in which Brown and Smith were travelling.

      They found a bandana and a pair of latex gloves within the footwell of the vehicle, and discovered a loaded Baikal handgun containing seven rounds of ammunition hidden inside the bandana.

      Forensic evidence linked Smith to the latex gloves as well as the firearm.

      DS John Crossley, Trident Gang Crime Command said: “I believe the sentence imposed will send a clear message to those concerned in gun crime that if they are involved, in any way, they can expect to be identified and convicted for the offence.’


      • JohnC says:

        Charged with the intent to endanger life after going ‘for a drive’with his friends.
        Clearly the whole purpose of the drive was to shoot somebody and the police were on to them. Which proves he was fully complicit with going to commit murder. Hence the long sentence. Very deliberately withheld as it doesn’t fit the ‘victim’ narrative.
        100% typical BBC misrepresentation.


  27. pugnazious says:

    LOL….H/T Is the BBC biased?….

    ‘On a past episode of BBC Two’s The Mash Report, Nish Kumar referred to the BBC’s impartiality guidelines as a requirement to provide “a platform for widely-discredited views because the licence fee dictates we should pander to weirdos”.’

    Well yeah….that’s how you got on there Pish….along with all your Bame radicals, eco-loons and Muslim extremists who are so like Ghandi/Mandela/Churchill.


  28. theisland says:

    “Brexit: What you need to know about the UK leaving the EU”
    Misdirection and lies.

    As an antidote watch again the brilliant Enoch Powell speaking about the EEC in the late 70s. Correct then and correct now.
    One comment says “They should play this before the news every night…”


    • JohnC says:

      lol – Anything on the BBC which say ‘All you need to know..’ actually means ‘What we want you to think’. Anything against the agenda is reported (to maintain the facade of impartiality), but quickly followed by the old ‘but …’ to try and discredit it.


    • tarien says:

      How perceptive he was, how correctly suspicious of what was in front of the UK at that time and how very clearly he saw all that lay ahead for a weakened United Kingdom. Britain almost tore herself apart fighting on all fronts against the Nazi’s 1939/45 and all alone until the USA joined us against the evil invasion across Europe. Most of those that fought during that terrible period wether for the UK or for their own European country are now gone from us-we have their memories as told, but do we have their guts their stamina, their fortitude, their resiliance?


      • Scroblene says:

        “Having begun the war as the youngest professor in the Commonwealth, Powell ended it as a brigadier”.

        Wiki has so much more about this good man. More balls than a lottery drum too.


  29. Fedup2 says:

    A scurrilous report in the Mailonline about how junior Sky staff got pictures of ms burley and chums breaking the covid laws – with a bit of luck – civil war in sky spreading to the BBC – I’m waiting for some journo to ambush ms burley in sunny South Africa …..not wearing a mask …..or partying …. or not social distancing …..


    • Mrs Kitty says:

      I’m pinning my hopes on the lions. I just loathe Kay “grab em by the throat “ Burley.


  30. Guest Who says:

    Would struggle as a poof reader too.


  31. AsISeeIt says:

    Boris Johnson’s handling of the Brexit negotiations is becoming just as insufferable as that Noel Edmunds tv game show – with its seemingly interminable delayed climaxes… its back, right after the break… and its overarching, deeply irritating, Deal / No Deal mantra. Just show us what’s in that bloody box, why don’t you?

    Naturally press opinion divides along strictly partisan lines: The Brexiteers are adamant: ‘No-Deal we ARE ready!’ insists the Express. ‘Merkel wants Britain “to crawl across broken glass”‘ says the Mail – hopefully quoting an analogy, since taken literally that would be an anti-British trade regulation cruel and unusual, even by EU standards.

    The Remainers remain Jonahs to the bitter end predicting doom and gloom at every turn: ‘Ministers warn supermarkets to stockpile food. Shortages feared as EU talks remain deadlocked’ (Sunday Times); ‘Fears of huge food price rises and job cuts’ whines the Mirror; and ‘Tory Grandees’ fury over PM’s “nationalist” no-deal Brexit. Worst decision in our times – Heseltine. Fears grow over New Year chaos threat’ (Observer)

    I can’t help but feel the Remainers have shot their bolt once too often. Can they never concoct a headline without the words “could” “fear” “threat” or “chaos” ? It’s time to throw these Jonahs overboard and leave them to the fishes.

    In terms of the BBC, I find it remarkable how compliant they are with government Lockdown policies and yet how disparaging they are when it comes to Brexit.

    As for Boris, small wonder his Princess Nut Nuts always looks so constrained, if he’s keeping her on edge with anticipation in his private life the way he’s stringing Britain along. Frankly he really doesn’t look as though he’d have the patience. You’d imagine looking at him he’d bluster straight in there and get the necessary done asap. [I’m talking about their wedding arrangements, you cheeky so-and-sos]

    Oo, er, missus, leads as to the Star where we’re treated to: ‘The life and times of Babs. Pullout tribute to great Barbara Windsor’ – one imagines the chaps have enjoyed many a pullout tribute to our Babs over the years. It really was a different time and to quote what was possibly her greatest line – made in reply to Dr Kenneth Williams’ request that she make ‘big breaths’: “Yes, and I’m only sixteen”

    The Sunday Telegraph complacently suggests: ‘Energy users to get best deal automatically’ – what with all this Green energy boondoggle and the government confiscating my gas boiler you’re telling me I’ll be better off?

    It was never really explained why we stopped clapping the NHS on our doorsteps. Did our pandemic fear fevered first flush of romantic infatuation with our nationalised health juggernaut fade into indifference as over the weeks and months we became estranged? The NHS in its deserted hospitals echoing only to the sad and lonely sound of TikTok dance routines and GP surgeries plasticated, taped off and put into mothballs.

    ‘NHS boses: Relaxing rules at Christmas will cause third wave’ (Sunday Times) – do they miss us, do they ever want to see us again, has their love for us their patients worn thin?

    The Sunday People runs a report which has me wondering whether we still have an NHS: ‘My Xmas cancer miracle. Kind strangers’ £500k gives Stan, 3, new cure hope’ – that’ll mean he can go private then.

    At some point the lockdown enthusiasts will find the rubber hits the road so to speak and they will begin to yearn for the things that they value.

    ‘Glasto rock in a hard place’ says the Sunday Times: The Glastonbury festival has found itself in a sticky situation – having to make nice to a Conservative government or face cancellation for a second year…’ – what of Edinburgh Festival we wonder? What of our many left-leaning arts and cultural events?

    Early on Sage, our new lords and masters, realised that when it came to good PR joe public would be more amenable to personalised anecdotal stories than to facts and figures.

    And so it is that we pick up the Sunday Star and read: ‘Bobby Davro Exclusive. My covid Hell, Can’t visit his hero dad. Finding it hard to cope’

    Moving somewhat up market the Sunday Telegraph are running a: ‘Christmas Charity Phone-in Day’ – wondering what that might entail? Donate and you may get to speak to the likes of Telegraph journos Janet Daley, Allison Pearson or even Matt the cartoonist. That’s all folks.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Thank you – asiseeit- but you leave so much out – such as the horror people must experience when they buy a newspaper for the ‘free tv pull out ‘ and eagerly open it up to find out the BBC Christmas TV isn’t what it was – apart from pumping out porridge and dads army from 1975…..


    • StewGreen says:

      TalkRadio expert said Boris showed his weakness by setting a deadline
      ..and then flying over to Europe to have dinner.

      He should have said “Nope I have set my limit, if you have any more offers come over to London
      ..otherwise I am playing golf”


  32. theisland says:

    https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/the-equipment/ships/patrol-and-minehunters/river-class tells us that our armed (two guns) Royal Navy Offshore Patrol Vessels have largely helped to protect fishing stocks, but also are frequently called on for general duties at home and abroad.

    In response to the whingers, including so-called ‘conservatives’ like the pro-EU Tobias Ellwood, Jeff Taylor asks “why is it right to use armed vessels to protect fishing stocks while we we’re in the EU but not right after we’ve left? So it’s OK for the UK as part of the EU to engage in so-called ‘gunboat diplomacy’ but not once we’re an independent and sovereign nation. I call BOLLARDS on that one. It’s pure doublethink straight out of the George Orwell 1984 instruction manual.”


  33. taffman says:

    “Brexit: EU offer ‘unacceptable’ as trade talks continue”
    Kick the Brexit Can Down the road time again ?
    Are the trade talks a sham. Are agreements already made?
    This could be a Christmas pantomime pretending to be ‘tough talks’ down to the wire?
    More uncertainty for British businesses. The Tory Party are destroying our economy.
    Not true Tories?


  34. Eddy Booth says:

    Unified world heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua mixed power and patience as he knocked out Kubrat Pulev to raise hopes that a historic fight against Tyson Fury could soon be a reality.

    AJ looked pathetic, he was stiff, hesitation and lacking both skill and imagination all against a super limited opponent.


    • harry142857 says:

      The same Anthony Joshua that believed blacks are the superior race, despite achieving the sum total of next to nothing in the last two millennia, and urged supporters at a BLM rally to boycott shops owned by whitee despite taking sponsorship from Hitler favourite, Hugo Boss.


  35. StewGreen says:

    Boris Chavez is in charge of the UK
    … UK 2050 = Venezuela 2020

    UK will be siting on top of lots fuels in the ground and not extracting them
    There will be genuinely poor people cos you can’t put the price of energy without putting the price of everything else up.
    Hospital wards will have less nurses in, cos their budget will be spent.

    I wonder if there will be stuff on the supermarket shelves.

    Meanwhile Boris Chavez pushes on with pouring concrete for London rail lines and HS2
    and talks about a bridge across the Irish sea
    .. you think that will be zero carbon.


  36. StewGreen says:

    11am news Dominic Raab’s wokespeak
    “French fishermen and women”

    FFS “Fishermen” is actually a word that means fisher-humans so does include women.


  37. StewGreen says:

    A Country music star has died
    ..good bloke
    but is he well known enough in the UK to be #3 item
    in the BBC local radio news ?

    “Charley Pride the first black Country Music superstar”


    • G says:

      Ah! the immortal word referring to the ‘chosen’ (well, for the BBC anyway) people, “black”………….


    • JimS says:

      I have heard of Charley Pride, I can’t say that I knew he was ‘black’.

      I must be peculiar, I listen to music and I read books and decide my likes and dislikes on that basis, not on the sex, ethnicity or bedroom antics of the performers and writers.


  38. Eddy Booth says:

    “PM and EU chief agree to extend Brexit trade talks”

    Is there some kind of psychological play going on , keep having deadlines then extending them?

    “And there is no apparent deadline now – I think they may have felt that that created the wrong impression of what would happen today.”
    What like the expectation a deadline means something?


    • Emmanuel Goldstein says:

      That’s the only thing they can agree on, again and again and again.
      I think even after Jan1st they will still be agreeing weekly deadlines (or whatever they will be calling them now)

      Our hope is that because they are all so useless we will end up eu free by mistake or by them messing about too much.


      • The WestWyvern says:

        Just heard the outgoing PM on AlBeeb wireless.

        The guy is a blithering bumbling blusterer.

        They have had almost 5years to do a deal and still they don’t know what ‘deadline’ means.

        Not one of these fools would last a minute in private industry.


        • pugnazious says:

          Kind of suspect there is a deal but it is so bad that we have to be terrified about no-deal…hence the massive news headlines about supermarkets running short of food etc if no-deal happens….when the bad deal is presented to us we will all be so relieved to have been ‘saved’ we won’t complain about the total betrayal…they hope.


    • G says:

      “Is there some kind of psychological play going on , keep having deadlines then extending them?”

      It’s called, ‘Pantomime’.

      “Pantomime is a type of musical comedy stage production designed for family entertainment. It was developed in England and is performed throughout the United Kingdom, Ireland and in other English-speaking countries, especially during the Christmas and New Year season.”


      There, that explains it beautifully.


  39. JimS says:

    The ‘new normal’ is looking increasingly authoritarian.

    Our local sports and leisure centre tells us that, ‘following customer feedback’, members who don’t turn up for sessions that they have paid for will be fined £3.

    It can’t be long before we have a national three-digit number for the ‘shop-a-neighbour’ service that I am sure ‘elector feedback’ (and Jeremy Vine) will demand.


  40. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Anybody know anything about a new group Retalk?
    I’m getting a few offers on my Facebook pages to subscribe to this ‘non woke’ right of centre forum.
    It looks good but should I subscribe. They want email address to let me know when they are starting.
    I haven’t done anything yet but it may be a sort of Parler forum which isn’t censored like FB and others.


  41. StewGreen says:

    Radio is talking about Roswell UFO theories
    “Oh the guy on the ground said the wreckage metal was strange and strange symbols on”
    .. Hang on the incident was in 1947 and he didn’t write down anything about the symbols until 1978 when a UFO author visited him.
    Presumabley the gov took away the metal
    but it’s not a very credible story


    • The WestWyvern says:

      The US Military recovered the wreckage, bodies and live occupants to an airforce base in Nevada. The locals were told never to disclose what they actually saw, under threat of death. They were permitted to say that something had happened but no details. There have been a number of death bed confessions and the children of many of the eye witnesses have since spoken more openly.

      Go on-line to ‘coast to coast am’ lots of stories about the unexplained and such. All of it more believable than AlBeebs output.


  42. pugnazious says:

    Huh! Tuned in to 5 Live earlier and if I’d had a hammer would have gladly put it through the radio. The presenter was ironically named Whitmore….a more witless presenter you couldn’t imagine…and that’s tough for 5 Live.

    Naturally, as usual, I was subjected to the rather abhorrent black noise that seems to eminate relentlessly from anything BBC these days…you know, that horrible whining noise that just infuriates you and makes programmes unlistenable as it stigmatises and demonises Whites, their history and culture.

    Today’s lesson kids?…..Aretha Franklyn [black] just didn’t receive enough recognition for her talent and skills….when statues are put up for slavers it’s a terrible indictment of our society that a black woman can’t get any acknowledgement for her brilliance.

    Fisk that to your own delight.

    And on the subject of black singers…how about that black ‘country’ singer, Charley Pride [in the Country Music Hall of Fame]….a massive success and highly lauded…..but hang on….country music ain’t black….that’s cultural appropriation surely? Stay in line buddy….no country for black singers….get out of the way and shut up! [and where is Alvin Hall accusing such singers of ‘singing white’ and betraying their blackness? Ironically the same Hall who praised rap singers for singing authentically about real black life but then accusing white people, who bought the records, of perpetuating such music and lifestyles.]

    Irony how on the same day the BBC is telling us how black singers don’t get the recognition they deserve they are trumpeting a black singer who was widely celebrated and recognised….but fair enough…who has ever heard of Aretha Franklyn?

    The BBC once again spreading hate, fear and anger as it tells Black people they haven’t a chance in racist Britain and that anything, perceived or real, wrong with their life is because they are oppressed and down-trodden by white people.

    ‘Kill Whitey’ says the BBC….how long before someone takes that up for real especially when the BBC is eulogising and romanticising the terrorist Black Panthers [and the BLM]?



    ‘An essential history, it is a vibrant chronicle of this pivotal movement that birthed a new revolutionary culture in America.’


  43. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Here’s an idea for the Brexit negotiators.

    Why don’t you agree to have a deadline every Sunday until further notice.

    It would save you the time spent agreeing a new deadline every time the current deadline expires.


    • G says:


      “Why don’t you agree to have a deadline every Sunday until further notice.”

      Wot about, ‘when the cow’s come home’?


  44. Guest Who says:

    Knew where to head for propaganda support.

    Just like Milipede could rely on Groper.


  45. Guest Who says:

    Much explained.

    Little excused.


  46. taffman says:

    “Brexit trade talks: UK and EU to ‘go the extra mile’ in effort to agree deal”
    Here we go again!
    Whatever happened to Boris’ deadline ?
    I expect he will be summoned (ordered) to Brussels again.
    Whatever happened to democracy, we voted to ‘Leave’ not for ‘a deal’ ?


  47. StewGreen says:

    Covid test
    neighbour’s just got back from hers that she has to have before her cataract op.
    Said she turned up 10 mins early for 2pm, but they just took people as they drove up so she’d been done before 2pm


  48. Guest Who says:

    A group of the most awful bores it would be harder to assemble.


  49. taffman says:

    The Battle of Britain has began.
    Boris and the Tory parties’ survival – V – The survival of the The European Union.


  50. Guest Who says:

    I really, really, despise the media almost as much as politicians.

    Is there an F Ark?