Midweek Thread 9 December 2020

Deal or No Deal ? Whichever way the wheel spins the BBC will see it as a victory for their EU . And stand bye for some made up ‘social injustice ‘involving the Chinese virus vaccine ….

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417 Responses to Midweek Thread 9 December 2020

  1. StewGreen says:

    Friday’s Guardian : Nazir Afzal leading witch-hunt against Cummings
    Shouting “perverting the cause of justice”
    “he said he was only at Barnard castle for 15 minutes and didn’t stray from his car !”
    Said Afzal has had a team of lawyers compile a 255 page dossier.
    “A report was submitted to Durham constabulary at the end of October and we are continuing to consider its contents.”
    FFS is this a proportionate use of taxpayer money ?


    Yes I reckon he could have lied abut the time and distance
    However he would have only got a £60 fine
    and was a first offence so maybe less.


  2. StewGreen says:

    Ofom “viewers are switching off BBC and moving to Netflix
    our solution is to FORCE Netflix to be more like the BBC
    How about we give tax money to Netflix to produce news”

    (Earlier the Ofcom boss on R4 said Netflix is a Dutch registered corp for Europe purposes
    and is therefore not regulated by Ofcom anyway)

    As discussed on the TalkRadio live feed at 10:50am
    based on the Guardian story


    • Guest Who says:

      Classic move.

      Screwed everything up royally, so those with free choice opt for an alternative.

      Solution?…. try and force the alternative to screw up royally too.

      The notion of the left seeking parity by dragging everyone down to a level has never been more stark.

      Interesting to note that OFCOM just recently imported a bunch more of the Beeboids that have reduced it to a laughing stock.


  3. taffman says:

    “Covid in Wales: Record high case rates in half of council areas”
    The reason that the Welsh Assembly should be abolished.


    • tarien says:

      Lockdowns apart from the disasterous consequences appertaining, only supresses the virus until the lockdown is lifted then allowing the virus to spread-the virus does not disappear it goes wherever there is a new host-better to let it run, whilst taking care of the most vunerable in society-the immune possibilities will then develop much more quickly-fear has been used as is now to destroy the country, to bring subjugation into play on a massively undemocratic process.


  4. taffman says:

    Breaking …………..Trade talks between Boris Johnson and Ursula von der Leyen end without agreement.
    Has mxincony thrown a spanner in the works?
    Over to Piku for his opinion ………………..


    • StewGreen says:

      👍 👍
      No Deal is a good deal


      • taffman says:

        I am with you there
        Over four years ago we voted to ‘Leave’ not for a ‘Deal’ .
        Four wasted years. Four years of uncertainty for our industries and financial sectors.
        Now then lets begin , do the Germans and French want to sell cars to us?


  5. taffman says:

    First Brexit then Al Beeb .
    If this is true , I will take all back that I have said and posted about Boris.
    Now lets get Britain back to work and make it Great again !


  6. StewGreen says:

    Yesterday Mike Graham seriously said the Kay Burley story
    is a non-story
    obviously defending his media mates
    He couldn’t hold the gates shut .


  7. vlad says:

    Big Tech censorship to make the BBC proud:

    “YouTube bans videos claiming 2020 presidential election fraud.”

    (But they had no problem with the anti-Trump Russian conspiracy fraud for 3 years, and many others.)



    • JohnC says:

      It’s this sort of thing which makes people like me distrust and disconnect from the media completely – which is a very dangerous thing.


  8. Luton Reject says:

    I am sickened by the BBC sport website’s reporting of the PSG and Basaksehir so-called racism incident. It is obvious that they have no interest in reporting what actually happened because that would get in the way of their anti-racism activism.



    My complaint has gone in –

    The truth is available re the alleged racist incident which led to PSG and Basaksehir players walking off. Pierre Webo heard a legitimate Romanian word and assumed it was racist. In the fracas that followed quick temper and a lack of proportion meant that it was beyond the capability of a group of adults to ascertain that no offence had actually been committed. This was an embarrassment for football and anti-racism. At the centre of it all is an innocent man whose livelihood and safety is at risk. One would have hoped that the BBC would take that into consideration in its reporting. However, the BBC is yet to report what actually happened because that would dilute the message it wants to send out. Instead we are seeing a steady stream of articles praising the players for walking off. The BBC is trying its utmost to spin the story as a positive for anti-racism when it is nothing of the kind.


    • JohnC says:

      Basaksehir should receive a public apology.
      I guarantee he won’t get one. It’s all about racism and hate.


    • Banania says:

      Supposing he had been English and the word was “negro”, not “negru” (have I got that right?) – would that have been “racist”, and if so, why?


  9. Richard Pinder says:

    Further to my earlier posting, with corrections. Another email from America.

    The operation on the 9th November was on US territory and within the US Consulate in Frankfurt, so not on German sovereign territory. Gina Haspel was probably behind the reports of deaths, including that of her own death in Frankfurt, using real deaths now though to be from an unrelated helicopter crash.

    The operation was taken after National Security Action Memorandum 57 transferred powers from the CIA to the Department of Defense. United States Secretary of Defense, Christopher Charles Miller, recently consolidated all US Special Forces under a single command. None of them answer to the Pentagon. All of them answer to the Secretary of Defense, and he answers to the President.

    Trump told reporters at the White House. “You’ll see a lot of big things happening over the next couple of days”.

    This could mean that Executive Order 13848 may be triggered by Dec 18.
    Anyone, anywhere, who violated 13848, US or Foreign, can be sanctioned, arrested, tried, convicted and imprisoned. That includes those who hacked voting systems, provided equipment or software and those who participated in the use of such things.

    Executive Order 13848 also empowers the US Treasury and State Dept to impose sanctions on banking, credit, assets and imports, including forfeiture, seizure, arrest and prosecution.


    • Piku says:

      Does anyone really believe this nonsense?


      • Guest Who says:

        Speaking only for myself, what I believe, or don’t believe, is tested now more than ever.

        As more and more traditional areas of information are shown to be compromised by ideology and activism, one looks further afield where, on occasion, extremes can be found, in all directions. Hence a cranked eyebrow is essential at all times.

        What is noticeable is where the MSM mostly exists, directionally, and needs a cranked eyebrow more than most. And when found wanting, how it reacts, which is too often based on personal opinion involving terms like ‘trust’, ‘transparency’ and ‘integrity’, in lieu of fact or persuasive argument, which long ago they sacrificed along with any credibility.

        Also even those one might imagine professional and experienced enough to know better to trot out trite dismissals from positions of presumed authority that just make them look arrogant and silly.

        Along with their acolytes who appear on occasion to, at best, serve their pretensions poorly by trying the same.


      • Banania says:

        Is that a real question? You obviously know the answer. (People who think it is nonsense don’t of course believe it.)


  10. LastChanceSaloon says:

    [Good news from AlBeeb]
    2020-12-10 01:00
    “Joe Biden’s son Hunter says he is under investigation over taxes”

    “Hunter Biden said he took the case “very seriously” but was confident an “objective review” would show he had handled his affairs “legally and appropriately”.”

    [So everything is OK. Just taxes. No need to mention the mendacity, bribery, corruption, nepotism, conspiracy that US “Democrats” have enjoyed for the last 20+ years.]

    The BBC is nostalgic, when it suits them.
    There is still a US election section, where Zurcher et al remember those empty champagne bottle nights they enjoyed recently.
    A small legal problem will not disturb this, so no need to mention it.


    “The states include Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Missouri, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina,
    South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, and West Virginia”

    [Saint Donald recently welcomed a nice lady recruit to the US Supreme Court.
    Which is supposed to give patriotic Republicans a majority over the cheating, evil, satanic, mass murdering, dark forces of the hard Left.

    Which Court, as I vaguely recollect, delayed the Election result in 2000 over a few holes (or non holes).
    I know less about US Law than a church mouse.
    What action can the US Supreme Court actually demand?
    Can the Court insist on new elections?]


  11. taffman says:

    \\A No 10 spokesperson said “very large gaps remain” but talks will continue, with a “firm decision” by Sunday on whether a deal can be reached.//
    I don’t like the sound of this ?
    Has the can been kicked down the road again or has an agreement already been made? While Boris and Ursula are pretending to make it look tough?


  12. Fedup2 says:

    Now that pictures have been published of the Kay Burley group at their bash – I wonder if she and the others are to be interviewed by plod ? She has admitted that she is to leave the UK on Friday so they need to act now – right ?

    Also – 4 members of her group have not been named yet – one wonders if a sista from the BBC might be amongst them …. But I’m sure no one from the BBC would breach the rules they all favour so much . ……

    Declaration – I do not watch sky . I have never watched ms burley and never will ..


    • Red Pill says:

      I’m just waiting for this to be explained away by The Guardian, the BBC and their like by playing the female victim card. Misogyny will be to blame for the reaction. Somehow. Tic toc.


    • Doobster78 says:

      one wonders if a sista from the BBC might be amongst them …. But I’m sure no one from the BBC would breach the rules they all favour so much . ……


      Oh my, that would be just DELICIOUS !!!!!


      • Guest Who says:

        Judging panel pre-pro.

        “…parsch the Bolly, Beff.

        Now, you vote for me, I vote for Emily, Emily votes for that new blonde one on twitter a lot, she votes for her dusky colleague…. xe votes for Lewish, Lewish votes for you, Crox votes for me, you all vote for me.

        More Bolly here, peon!.”


  13. Scroblene says:

    So this morning, Radio 5 ‘live but not-breathing’ had that famous ‘normal’ journo, Lynn Sweet on, spitting acidic bile all over Preident Trump’s efforts to get justice in the US polls.

    She seemed to have a bowel movement, though, when the Texas decision, (expected today), was mentioned as she wasn’t so sure of her facts then and swiftly changed her dialogue to her column in ‘The Chicago Sun’ today.


    She didn’t really understand that lot either, so why do the BBC keep getting these lightweights on? She also asked the stupid question ‘Where are all the investigative journalists in uncovering the fraud’? I think the BBC can answer that particular query…

    Answers on a spare Biden voting slip please…


    • Guest Who says:

      As with Rob Burley beside himself that the employers of a deranged US TDS gobbette could not sustain her on the payroll any longer, who the bbc find to ‘comment’ on behalf of the BBC is as blatant as who they would not.


  14. Guest Who says:

    Meanwhile… Speaking of weeds.


    • G says:

      “….is the biggest single disruption in the economic policy of the UK…”

      Wot happened to the Chinese flu (rubbing eyes as having just woken up)?


  15. JohnC says:

    Just doing my daily quick scan of the BBC site to make sure my opinion of them is still valid and I found the article on Musk’s ‘Starship’ test flight.
    What a magnificent achievement it is. Truly groundbreaking. As a software engineer, I am extremely impressed with what the team he has put together have managed. It’s like they work on a different level to everyone else.
    And I can’t help liking him even more because the Lefties hate him.
    Oh – and the BBC headline for this outstanding achievement ?.
    ‘Elon Musk rocket crashes after return to earth’.


  16. andyjsnape says:

    Greater Manchester Police ‘failed to record 80,000 crimes in a year’, “reports” the bBC

    I suppose the police are very busy are investigating “hate” “racist” crime, the bBC would know


    • Fedup2 says:

      Cutting crime by not recording it is the best way to show that the plod are doing there job .

      Make it as difficult as possible to contact them – then if you do – get met by a jobsworth troll intent on non recording and wait for the ‘victim pack’ telling you plod won’t being anything .

      However – wanna report a ‘hatee’ crime ‘ – here is a multi lingual set of free phone numbers to report whitee ….


      • Banania says:

        Has the BBC been covering the latest rape-gang case? 32 “men” charged with 150 offences against 8 young girls (8 out of 1000s) and the allegations relate to the period 1999 to 2010? The wheels grind very slowly but they don’t grind very small.


  17. Fedup2 says:

    London evening standard reports that the Toady programme broadcast 4 minutes of ‘Yesterday in Parliament ‘ before realising it was the yesterday before yesterday – although apparently quite a few people still listening to that propaganda got onto the Twitter about it .

    It wasn’t much of a ‘yesterday’ – just the one announcing the vaccine for the Chinese virus being rolled out ….


  18. AsISeeIt says:

    Side stepping the non-news headlines about no Brexit trade deal, that for some reason incomprehensible to we non politicians, gets yet another delayed deadline – we breath a sigh of relief as John Barnes in the Telegraph tells us: ‘It’s not racist to say someone is black’

    One supposes our John reflects on his football career both playing and watching and recalls the number of times after an adverse refereeing decision he and his mates would have casually inquired who’s the bastard in black?

    But John, suppose one were not to say but to call someone black? – that sounds a bit racist, no?

    ‘Ten thousand patients catch Covid-19 while in hospital’ – reveals the Telegraph – don’t it warm the cockles of the heart how our sainted NHS protects us?

    Can we take it that our amateur PPE efforts of donning the mask in Sainsburys and on the buses might be pointless given the professionals armed with the real thing and the proper knowhow have blundered ten thousand times over?

    The ‘i’ plays Remainer Santa and says we’ve all been naughty Brexit children: ‘No toys for boys and girls. Hold-ups at UK ports threaten some presents bought online’

    The Mirror has: ‘Tesco’s food stockpile for no-deal’ – you don’t think our supermarkets would stoop so low as to stir up a pre-Christmas panic buying spree, do you?

    ‘Gloom at the inn’ says the Sun: ‘Just 1 in 5 pubs to open at Xmas’

    ‘Nobody likes a TV luvvie hypocrite…’ says Jerry Lawton in the Daily Star’ on the day that the Guardian strains an arm to pat itself on the back: ‘Readers choked on their cornflakes. Cummings scoop wins top award’ – top award, mind you. Not just an award.


    • Nibor says:

      Most of the toys (eg Hornby train sets ) will be from China . Outside the EU .


    • JohnC says:

      In my world, if it’s racist to call someone black then it’s racist to call someone white.
      Same as if ‘White lives matter’ is abhorrant and racist then so is ‘Black lives matter’.


      • G.W.F. says:

        John C
        Call them Bames.

        There is nothin’ like a Bame
        Nothin’ in the world
        There is nothin’ you can name
        That is anythin’ like a Bame


  19. Doublethinker says:

    More the Texan legal case against the way the election was run in Pennsylvania, Michigan an, Georgia and Wisconsin, 17 other states have joined Texas in the filing with the Supreme Court . This is reported on Breitbart but not on the BBC or Telegraph, h as anyone seen it reported elsewhere? No longer can these challenges to Biden’s election be dismissed as eccentric or sour grapes. It’s far far too big for that now.
    I don’t know anything about US law but it seems unlikely to me that a challenge from 18 states can be easily dismissed without full investigation and I feel certain that a full open and transparent investigation will reveal massive voting fraud by the Dems and eventually the President will win his second term. A hell of a lot of folks will be in prison if he does.
    Even if by some strange legal logic the Supreme Court finds against the 18 states it surely hugely reduces the power of the Biden Harris administration . Over a third of the state legislatures believe that Biden is not the rightful President . I can’t see them accepting laws and requirements which they don’t like because they can so easily say that Biden isn’t legitimate. So I think this development is a great importance and I wonder if the BBC et al will report it and if they do how they will spin it.


    • G says:

      “A hell of a lot of folks will be in prison if he does.”

      I pray that this happens.

      Meanwhile, in the South China Sea, confrontation is hotting up by the day……………..


    • G.W.F. says:

      To understand the nature of the revolution taking place is to understand why the media will ignore the claims advanced by the 18 states. The media class are in the process of achieving political victory and with it an opportunity to discard the constitution , laws and elections. Welcome to the new reality.


  20. theisland says:

    Nigel tweets “It is clear the EU wants our PM to stick to his “oven ready deal” — also known as a new EU treaty.”

    Indeed this was being pushed by their agent Starmer at PMQs yesterday.

    But Bill Cash was correct on Monday in the HoC when he said
    The EU has also, in my judgment, breached article 184 on the basis of the recognition, as it puts it, of our internal market. I believe in the basic principle that one party to a treaty cannot obtain from the other the execution of its obligations if it does not respect its own commitments. If the EU continues to act as it has done in the negotiations, particularly over the past few days, the United Kingdom would be entitled to terminate the withdrawal agreement on the basis of the EU’s breach of article 184.

    In short we must repeal the withdrawal agreement, leave the ECHR, and tear up the political declaration – section 102 of which subordinates us to EU defence policy.

    Without these things happening there is no real Brexit to speak of.

    NO DEAL.


  21. G says:

    “Trudeau invited Chinese troops to train at Canadian military bases”

    Another commie lover seeking a seat on the Chinese Council when they take the World.



  22. Sluff says:

    Here is another humdinger of a story about our NHS heroes which should be first item on the news but needless to say is nowhere to be seen on the BBC.

    I can hardly believe the numbers on this one. It’s in today’s Telegraph and could do with more clarity and less ambiguity but here is the face value jist of the article.

    A list of the percentage of covid cases which were caught IN HOSPITAL at the named NHS trust since August 1.

    Hampshire 39%
    Epsom 37%
    Kingston 34%
    Dorset 32%
    Milton Keynes 30%

    Another five are all over 27%.

    This is an absolute scandal. The NHS are giving covid to huge numbers of people and in some cases killing them and the BBC is not batting and eyelid, and nor is anyone else.

    Unless I’ve missed something, truly appalling.


    • Red Pill says:

      You’ve not missed anything. My other half works within the NHS and the high number of cases of Covid being contracted while in hospital has been known about for a longggg time. Anyone for clapping? Thought not.


    • Van Helsing says:


      I think I mentioned previously that I knew of someone who contracted Covid-19 whilst in hospital following a stroke. His wife was told that he would not be resuscitated if his condition worsened – an utter disgrace in my books. Thankfully, he recovered.

      My mother recently spent two weeks in hospital, during which there was an outbreak of Covid in another ward. She wasn’t affected but some poor blighters had, at best, a very rough time indeed.

      As you say, it’s a scandal. However, I can’t see it being swept under the carpet in perpetuity – the ambulance chasers who infest the legal profession will see to that.


  23. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Sunday is the latest ‘deadline’ for the agreement.
    How many ‘deadlines’ is that and how many more can they squeeze in.
    Do they know what deadline means?
    The only thing that they seem to agree on is the next ‘deadline’ date.

    I think Beff (the one with lips the colour of blood clots) is joining Burley so no commentin, interviewin and speakin from her for a while.


  24. Guest Who says:

    I tend not to click thru on Burley’s recommended propaganda sources, but who is this person?


    • Guest Who says:

      He has no twitter handle so no history to check easily.

      It says he is a Politics Live Producer, but appears also to have a fact checking function too. Maybe when Marianna is doing her lippy?

      Only at the end did I discover who the woman moaning in response was.

      So a Beeboid fluffing up a Beeboid.

      His screed was littered with wonk speak and many inevitable areas that were not… facts being checked.



    • Guest Who says:

      Does not get cited by the front office guys often, but when he does….

      Yay… good facts. Checked.

      Wonder if that ratio still holds post Timmeh! and June?


  25. vlad says:

    Not on the BBC: Zuckerberg donated $400,000,000 to influence votes towards the Dems. Here’s how.


  26. Fedup2 says:

    The BBC as official spokesman for the ReichEU propaganda ministry – has announced that the ReichEU has issued ‘contingency plans’ for a non deal between it and the UK.


  27. StewGreen says:

    Drakeford’s autistic son is in jail due a violent child rape in 2016


    • StewGreen says:

      Not Mark Drakeford’s direct fault of cause
      My issue is did the media play that down ?

      When a politician’s family member is a victim or achieved something positive, they would cover it.


    • Ian Rushlow says:

      That article is very confusing. It states “The court was told Drakeford had a low IQ”. Does that mean the son or the Welsh First Minister himself, or both? If so, is it genetic? How do we measure intelligence? Is it indicated by the actions of a man who orders a lockdown and the end result is that Wales is now the only part of Britain with rising Covid rates? A policy that was interpreted by Trashco as meaning that female sanitary products were ‘non-essential’?

      There are consequences when a man whose natural position in life is no higher than that of a traffic warden (assuming no better candidates are available) is over-promoted and gets a sniff of power.



  28. Jeff says:

    I need a bit of advice about the vaccine.

    First we were told we’ve all got to have it, okay…

    Now I hear that even when we’ve all had it we can still get the virus and still pass it on. Hmm…

    Then yesterday, old smiler, Chris Whitty (always a joy) pops up and informs us that even when we’ve all been jabbed we’ll have to continue with the mask wearing and social distancing.

    Correct me if I’m wrong but…

    Months ago we were told we had to wait until we had a vaccine, then, phew, we could return to normal. That was the cavalry, just over the horizon. Now it’s arrived, but the story has changed.

    Now we’re being told even when we’re all inoculated, we have to carry on in this new (ab)normal fashion until…

    What’s the bleedin’ point?


    • Old Goat says:

      There IS no point. None whatsoever.


    • StewGreen says:

      I told you the hotel room would have a “sea view,
      I didn’t tell you how much of the sea, you’d be able to view

      .. nor that you’d have to stand on top of the wardrobe to see it.”

      These guys do “estate agent speak” and then moan about Donald Trump


  29. Fedup2 says:

    We can expect the EUBBC to dig up the usual traitor politicians to bat for the EU again – blair – brown – major – cameron – hezza – may …. in the next 3 days with full on Project Fear about starvation ….


  30. Fedup2 says:

    As for the sky ‘journos ‘ i think it unlikely that theyll be stood down for too long – and theyll quietly return after Christmas .

    Morallity and Honour are for some but not others ….


  31. Fedup2 says:

    So it seems that shared fishing waters is part of a no deal – deal – according to the EU could contingency plan .

    The germans were never that good with the rights of sovereign states . It looks like old habits die hard .
    Lets hope the Royal Navy is up to the task of defending UK waters from foreign invaders come 1 january 2021…


    • moggie63 says:

      If it can’t manage to deal with a rubber dinghy then a trawler will surely be too much.


  32. andyjsnape says:

    Thirty two men charged with sex abuse of eight girls
    “reports” the bBC


    Not “reported” are the names, here you go..
    Asif Ali
    Nazaam Hussain etc etc

    And on the front page of the news, some Humpback whale waves Hello! Surely another day closer to closing the biased bBC down!


    • Tabs says:

      The BBC have also decided to show an image of a young girl as if to imply they are street prostitutes. A subtle way of excusing the “men” who have been charged.


  33. LastChanceSaloon says:

    2020-12-10 01:00

    “Black hair code launched to tackle racial discrimination”

    [Every nanosecond the BBC can find the resources to promote some low IQ air head with zero talent or notability.]
    [Or beauty. AlBeeb pretend that the, recently retired boxeress, who looks as though she been hit by every one of Khants buses, like what his dad used to drive, is some potential Miss World. ]

    The page is full of hard done by organisms the UK can do without.

    “Producers: Adina Campbell, Anthea Lee and Kesewaa Browne”

    I searched AlBeeb for “A woman’s crowning glory is her hair” no results.

    Here is an intelligent, beautiful, talented Korean lady.


    • G says:


      Many thanks for that. Meditation is my favourite piece to play on my cello.


      • LastChanceSaloon says:

        G -You are welcome.
        I usually include a contrasting video. But BBBC users deserve a day off.

        Can you play “I am going to stuff this ****ing ball down your ****ing throat by Serena Williams” on your cello?


  34. theisland says:

    “Brian Morris analysed the words spoken in a number of BBC TV News bulletins on Monday 7th December 2020 and on the following days. He was not surprised to find bias in favour of the EU but was surprised to find how blatant and obvious it often was.”


  35. Deborah says:

    Last night I switched on the 10pm news on BBC1 – a bit late so I missed the headlines. Laura was speaking and her face looked as though she was sucking lemons – then we switched back to Hugh in the Studio who was definitely looking very grumpy. It meant I didn’t have to listen to their words, their faces told me the whole picture; that is that Boris’ dinner with Ursula wasn’t going well (in their eyes at least). I was a bit concerned that the only reason Laura was when she said something to the effect that nobody outside the dinner knew what was happening and I thought she may be worried that she was going to have to do some work and develop her own story rather than read a press release. But with what came out later it was obvious that somebody was leaking sufficient that the BBC knew that Boris hadn’t just caved in immediately to Ursula’s charm.


  36. Laughing at Lefties says:


    The BBC protects and endorses the EU and defends Antifa and Black Lives Matter, so perhaps it’s not surprising that they’re taking China’s side over America.

    This scandal isn’t going to end in a Biden presidency, no matter how far into their ears the MSM shoves its collective fingers. Trump knows this election fraud was an act of war and prepared accordingly. One way or another, Trump will be president for at least the next four years.


  37. StewGreen says:

    Green activists like Natalie Bennet and Dale Vince are all over airwaves these days and usually given a free ride
    instead of proper confrontational debate.

    Wednesday Dale Vince was on TalkRadio 2:35pm navigate to time

    2:43pm Part III Collins read him a tweet
    Peter “Why don’t the eco-fanatics agree to TV debates with scientists that disagree ?”
    “Why are the people paying for all this not allowed to see such a debate ?
    clearly the fanatics can’t justify the waste of money

    Vince ” The IPCC is a group of international scientific fanatics
    that are absolutely clear that CC is man made
    the scientific consensus is overwhelming
    there is a fraction of a percent of scientists around the world that question that

    It is not representative of a proper debate
    or reasonably logically held position
    but it persists , a bit like antivaxxers”

    Collins “You yourself would be easily prepared to debate with climate scientist who is skeptical of the current political moves around the green agenda”

    Vince “Yehhhh (said in a tone which doesn’t indicate yes)
    … I don’t think there are very many .. and those that might consider themselves scientists, might have questionable credentials”

    Collins “A lot of them are former scientists, 20-30 years ago work in XYZ
    if we can find such a person
    .. Dale it’s always Great to have you on Dale Wince OBE”
    Collins “I have more of an understanding around some of the reservations around the green agenda than for antivaxxers
    I am sure the green agenda divides in itself”
    .. bangs on about clean air , “how could you say no to that ?”

    “A third point ..Republicans for Climate change have realised there is money to be made
    ..embrace it at that level and you’ll get clean air on the way”

    Green gimmick stuff is mostly more expensive ..so it’s granny that pays, not magic unicorns.

    In Part I Vince had brushed away gas boiler replacement concerns with bluster
    “Oh people have got it wrong it’s £8,000 over 30 years
    that’s just £250/year”

    You maths dunce it would be £267, but AFAIK the £8k is an upfront cost TODAY for ground source heat pump installation
    .. that you hope to recoup over 30 years, if nothing breaks.

    Then if Carbon Capture* or new tech like fusion got working
    .. other countries would laugh at the UK
    *Maybe not them ..but some proper new tech will come one day, always does.


  38. Sluff says:

    Hot on the heels of my post at 0907 our NHS heroes working in the world’s finest healthcare system have done it again.

    The inquiry into Shrewsbury NHS maternity services has concluded that improvements are required in hospitals all around the country.



    The NHS. Giving its patients the full treatment.


  39. Dover Sentry says:

    More deranged anti-Brexit BBC headlines –

    “Britons could be barred from EU entry on 1 January”



    • Kaiser says:

      which appear to be basically kung flu related

      but the bbc are fully behind kung flu restrictions

      surely those lovely europeans are simply helping fight the spread of the kung flu and this is a good thing

      the whole thing is driving me for one daft

      one second its “dont visit granny you might kill her ”

      the next its “I cant visit norway sob”


  40. StewGreen says:

    The Trusted News Initiative
    TNI is a partnership of major news organisations including the @BBC, @Reuters, @AP, @AFP, @washingtonpost, @Google and several others to coordinate work against disinformation that results in danger to life or democracy.


  41. Doobster78 says:


  42. The Sage says:

    Any guesses as to who might be responsible? I don’t have a clue. Neither, it seems, does the BBC.
    From the BBC website:

    Thirty-two men have been charged with sexual offences in connection with abuse involving eight girls.

    Most of the men, largely from the Kirklees area, are charged with rape offences which were allegedly committed between 1999 to 2012.

    Police said the girls were aged 13 to 16 at the time with some victims being abused when they were young adults.

    The alleged offences took place in parts of Kirklees, Bradford and Wakefield.

    Read more news from across West Yorkshire

    Police said the men had been charged as part of Operation Tourway, an investigation into non-recent child sexual exploitation in parts of West Yorkshire.

    They are due appear at Kirklees Magistrates’ Court on 11 and 14 December.


    • JohnC says:

      If they are not immediately identified as white, they are not white.
      In which case we will only find out more after they have been found guilty. In a small article which will disappear from the front page within 24 hours.


    • Doobster78 says:

      Like it was mentioned the other week .

      Now change it to 32 white men raping Asian kids !!!!!!

      Can you imagine the protests, riots from the Asians , the BBC having every Muslim leader on they could get AND it would be headline news for days on end .

      T ‘other way tho, so hush hush !!!!



    • Banania says:

      I think much the same is true of the newspapers. There is a report on the day of the trial, then silence.


  43. StewGreen says:

    Caller says “The EU stuffed Greenland when they left
    ..so they are trying to stuff us the same”


  44. Fedup2 says:

    Sage / John

    On twitter – of all people – one Yasmin Alibi Brown calls on the ‘ community ‘ to deal with these men of pakistani origin.

    She must be after some form of redemption .

    You might guess the response – deflect – go on about the catholic church and priests .

    Amazing how many people can t acknowledge the evil .


  45. StewGreen says:

    Now Rod Liddle is talking about Burley
    Youtube feed that expires after 7 hours
    navigate to 2:05pm pm on the clock bottom left


  46. StewGreen says:

    West Midlands Police video
    This is the moment our officers broke up an illegal ‘lock in’ at a football club in #Walsall at the weekend.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Presumably you ended the video before the punters were taken out of the bar and shot . Plod now using the technique they usually use early in the morning when they are brave and mob handed for some drug dealer .

      I’d hope there is more to it that just breaching Chinese virus regulations .

      Proportionality seems to be long gone and this has to rank with the outfit using drones to film people in the sticks walking their dog .


      • Dave S says:

        Interesting. It looks as if the police have decided that they no longer care about police and public relations when this is over. That is what always happens in a totalitarian state. The police have to choose and nearly always make the wrong choice. . By any logical measure their actions were over the top. They could just have waited until the people came out. One police car would have been enough. The outcome would have been the same and any possible danger identical.
        What the police have done is an open display of power. it is a high risk strategy in that the situation here is already unstable. I despair at the lack of common sense now.
        The justification seems to be that the law is being broken. It is also clear that the law is widely despised and unenforceable. Wisdom is not now part of public policy.
        Everything ends and if the police think that we will be going back to amicable police public relations then they are in error. West Midlands seems like Yorkshire to have a problem with command.


  47. theisland says:


    I can’t read the Telegraph article but this is the summary from Global Vision’s daily update:
    Taking back control of our waters: If we are heading for no deal then the French may get a wake up call over their fisheries position and today the Telegraph take a look how fishermen view the Common Fisheries Policy. “The common fisheries policy to a fisherman is like the biggest, most horrible swear word you can have,” Scottish fisherman, Brian Stuart said. He talks about the decision fishermen made to either “take £28,000 for your boat or you get nothing and have to scrap it”.

    This is an important article to read for those in the media that have constantly turned their noses up at the fishing communities. “Britain had the biggest resource. We have the biggest capacity to fish – our fleet was the biggest, and every time a country joined our fleetto reduce, and the only way they did that was very restrictive,” Mr Stuart said.

    For now at least, it seems Boris is sticking to his guns and backing the communities that back him so heavily in the last general election. The decision has been made for yet another deadline, but sooner or later talks will have to be abandoned. The Prime Minister said he did not want to “leave any route to a possible deal untested” but was downbeat about the chances of an agreement after his three-hour dinner.


  48. digg says:

    So the woke Mayor of Portland has flipped on his support for BLM.


    I wonder how long it will be before the left-wing MSM including the BBC start turning as they see their jobs melting away to accommodate all the diverse band-wagon jumpers and are forced to support an increasingly radical and anti-society mantra?


    • scribblingscribe says:

      Odd, just after Trump loses the election. Wonder why he and the other democrats who led the violence didnt stop the riots before the before the election.


    • G says:


      The winds are changing direction. Right now, expect to see many chameleons on parade.


    • StewGreen says:

      BTW Hannity’s Twitter says more stets have joined the Texas big election case

      Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler confused millions of followers on social media Wednesday when he vowed there will be no “autonomous zones” in his city; seemingly forgetting months of non-stop riots and anti-police protests.

      “I am authorizing the Portland Police to use all lawful means to end the illegal occupation on North Mississippi Avenue and to hold those violating our community’s laws accountable. There will be no autonomous zone in Portland,” posted Wheeler on Twitter.

      “We all agree many of our nation’s systems and structures are fundamentally racist and require significant reform. There’s a housing crisis, a health care crisis, an education crisis, an employment crisis, a mental health crisis, and an addiction crisis,” he wrote.

      “It’s time for the encampment and occupation to end. There are many ways to protest and work toward needed reform. Illegally occupying private property, openly carrying weapons, threatening and intimidating people are not among them,” Wheeler concludes.


  49. andyjsnape says:

    JIHADI MUM Missing Brit teen from London found in camp for ISIS brides with son aged 3 six years later

    I wonder if the bBC will report on this, doubt it


  50. Doobster78 says: