262 Responses to Weekend Thread 5 December 2020

  1. taffman says:

    Breaking……………… Brexit talks collapse but according to Al Beeb “Post-Brexit trade talks paused amid ‘significant divergences”
    Anyone have more info ?

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Taffman
      I mentioned this on the previous thread . There is a short joint statement published on Twitter saying it’s not worth carrying on because of differences – and leaving it to the PM and kraut in charge of the EU on Saturday – things looking good for a ‘no deal ‘ ….

      It may be time to panic buy Brie …

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      • taffman says:

        Missed it !

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      • Solomon Grundy says:

        Removed as it upset Fed.

        I still want tit to be known that I like roquefort.

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        • Fedup2 says:

          I’m reducing my contributions to this site because there is a strong element now which treats every comment literally and can’t see flippancy when it hits them in the head – you mr Grundy – are one of them . Pity ..

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          • Solomon Grundy says:

            The light-hearted nature of your post was not lost on me. I thought I was continuing the theme.

            And I still like roquefort.

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            • Darcy3 says:

              Another demand for a cheese thread, where will this end and I thought I was barmy

              Snowdonia Black Bomber

              BTW they have no cheese in China but some pretty stinking stuff they call food, missing a trick there maybe

              costs me a fortune in air fresheners while Mrs Darcy is in the kitchen

              the cat hides when she can hear the wok getting fired up and the knives sharpened

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              • Scroblene says:

                Just bought a piece of a local blue cheese, ‘Kingcott Blue’, made in Staplehurst, Darcy!

                Senora O’Blene and I have tried it and it knocks one’s socks off – fabulous!

                There’s also another great hard Cheddar style cheese called ‘Ashmore’, made in Canterbury, and it is just fantastic too! Their ‘Kentish Blue’ is well worth a pop as well!

                (Is that enough for a cheese thread Fed? Please say if I’m off topic…)!

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          • Red Pill says:

            Fed, I haven’t followed what this is about, but I’m sure it’s just a misunderstanding – the downside of these threads is we miss the visual cues we normally rely on to socialise properly. You manage a site which is for like-minded people who are in perpetual puzzlement at modern society and who enjoy some light-hearted banter – a group of people who don’t want to play the victim or be easily offended. Although I’ve only recently joined, I can honestly say it’s helped to keep me sane.

            I always enjoy reading your posts, so it would be a real, real shame if you did as you said and reduced your contributions (I think many of your contributions get to the very core of why we need this site); particularly so as I think the other chap is saying that a subtle joke has just been misinterpreted.

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            • Darcy3 says:

              And as for camenbert FFS

              reminds me in a chinese restaurant

              “this chicken is rubbery”

              “thank you very much sir”

              believe or not, Mrs Darcy went to college with Xi Pings wife,

              which is why I keep my head down now and my opinions to myself and this site

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              • Darcy3 says:

                Music college, apparently, in Beijing. and neither of them can hold a tune after 3 [email protected] years of study, but I say nothing on the subject

                just bought her a Shirley Bassey CD that could possibly bring down the Chinese goverment if Xi Ping realises hes been robbed

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            • Deborah says:

              Fedup

              I have no idea what has gone on with Darcy. But I am involved with a club of about 1000 people and 10 trouble makers who cause the Chair endless trouble and make it personal. It is life. Of course the 990 know nothing of it, fully appreciate what the Chairman does but doesn’t bother to tell her. Keep going Fedup2 you are appreciated.

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              • Guest Who says:

                I learned about Alinskyite techniques when trying to understand how XR utterly dominated the MSM so much, so early..

                You can really mess stuff up with very few if they shout a lot.

                Which is why I prefer secret ballot results to BBC QT panel votes.

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              • Fedup2 says:

                Deborah – Thank you . I’ve now learnt to be more business like on this site because I’m a moderator for the time being .
                Personal disclosure is not appropriate here due to posters with ‘issues ‘ . So I advise everyone to stick to the biased BBC .

                For the enemies monitoring this site I have put in sufficient personal information over the time I have been here not to give enough to characterise me much .

                If that cuts the number of entries – no matter .

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              • Fred Stubber says:

                I am admin of a Facebook group with 800+ members. There are about ten people who stir up trouble. The rest are as good as gold.
                Fred

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  2. Dover Sentry says:

    Did we not have the biggest Democratic Vote in UK history back in 2016? A vote we were assured that would release us from the EU immediately?

    What has been happening for the past 4.5 years?

    If the vote had been to Remain, would we still be fighting the result?

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    • taffman says:

      Its pretty evident that most of the MPs in Parliament and their civil servants tried by hook and by crook to prevent and delay the democratic will of the people of Great Britain.
      IMHO we should ‘drain the swamp’ and replace them all.

      If the EU was in a good place they would have told us to go a long time ago.

      Sovereignty and Fish.
      Its not just about fish, its about the employment and the services involved in the ancillary industries eg,. shipbuilding, chandlery and many more.
      Sovereignty. The right to be our own nation, a seafaring nation in control of our borders with a substantial Royal Navy to protect our trade and supplies from across the world .
      What fools let this all go and what fools were hoodwinked into joining the Common Market!

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    • StewGreen says:

      Let us pray
      Our Brexit that shalt be heaven,
      Remoaners have no shame,
      Control of borders will come,
      World trade will be done,
      All over the globe,
      as it is with Europe.
      Amen

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    • G says:

      DS,
      “Did we not have the biggest Democratic Vote in UK history back in 2016?”.
      Voila, the UK elite’s version of ‘Stealing’ the election?

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    • Seppers says:

      I can’t get over it. It’s why I came to this site. Something changed in this country after the referendum – it became obvious the a lot of people didn’t really believe in democracy but were just using an illusion of it to have their own way. And in my opinion, beeb were all over it. I saw their broadcasts that day, and knew there was a class of entitled people who were never going to let this go without a fight. The beeb was at the fore, with its daily comedy panel barrage of insults at those who ‘didn’t know what they were voting for’.
      Maybe it will be good or not, but we were asked, and an answer was given.

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    • Scroblene says:

      “Mr Miah has deleted the post. Labour sources confirmed Mr Miah had been “administratively suspended” pending an investigation.”

      Sounds like a euphemism for ‘underpants restructuring’, or maybe the usual twaddle thought up by unimaginative Labourites!

      And Stew, did you see where one of the Beeb’s fave callers, Joe Anderson, Mayor of Liverpool is in a bit of bother about a bit of unfinished building business? I suppose they’ll do a Vicky Price with him now, getting his views on everything and everyone!

      What a fabulous National Broadcaster we have in the BBC; they’re worth every penny of the tax they squander…

      (Oh, sorry Stew, I hadn’t seen your later post shame on me)!

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  3. StewGreen says:

    Ditch High Definition to save CO2
    The climate obsessed BBC pushes its ridiculous carbophobia message yet again.

    But they don’t mention one obvious option – turn off the BBC.
    @OldBrew

    Just think if everyone turned off
    There’d be no hundreds of millions of BBC salaries spent on CO2 generating stuff.

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  4. StewGreen says:

    The Georgia vote suitcase video
    The swamp says “no”

    Georgia’s Republican secretary of state says he has already investigated ‘bombshell’ video Rudy Giuliani claimed proves voting fraud and says it shows nothing out of the ordinary
    https://mol.im/a/9019125

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    • StewGreen says:

      It’s quite likely the swamp has enough Republicans to bock Trump

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      • Doublethinker says:

        Agree. It seems the power brokers of the republicans have deserted the President. Even Barr ,who was supposed to be a supporter of the constitution, has been saying that there was no election fraud. From over here it seems that you would have to deliberately look away not to see that the election was massively rigged. So why are previous supporters of the President joining the swamp? Many have probably been swamp double agents all along, other may have been ‘got at’ by any manner of means.
        The swamp is present in most countries and one of the greatest services that the President has performed for the cause of democracy is that his election and delivered promises have forced the international swamp dwellers out of the shadows into the light. They found that they had to expose themselves in order to stop him. They couldn’t do it by their usual covert tactics he was too much his own man for them to manipulate him. But their power is such that I’m not sure that they care.
        I hope , perhaps in vein, that people right across the West who thought that they lived in democracies now realise that they don’t but are ruled by an unelected unaccountable oligarchy who manipulate them like puppets. This oligarchy controls almost all western institutions, the UN, the World Bank, the security and police services , the media , Google , Amazon, Facebook etc etc. We live in a post democratic world and I don’t see how democracy can ever reassert itself.

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        • tarien says:

          Likewise, just now Doublethinker, I don’t know how democracy can reassert itself-however I stand ready with my pop gun ready to repel all borders-join the one million who will be walking to Westminster Palace to oust those now sitting on their comfortable bums, watching our world so hard fought for being flushed down the plug hole. I maybe considered old but I still have a clear mind that knows when we are being conned.

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        • Thatcherrevolutionary says:

          Trump has caused them all to reveal themselves.

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    • Kaiser says:

      Georgia’s RINO

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    • JamesArthur says:

      Stew
      Looks like the BBC will finally report on Fraud….nothing to see….
      They have like all msm been quiet…not reporting any of these findings but you can be sure they will lay it on now….
      Trump fails…no fraud found…

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      • Doobster78 says:

        All normal stuff !!!!! Imagine the outrage from the msm if This was the other way round !!!!

        STINKS

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    • NCBBC says:

      The current way to dismiss without evidence is “debunked”

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  5. StewGreen says:

    Liverpool Echo instructs people not to discuss it cos it’s an ongoing legal case

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  6. StewGreen says:

    Many people disagree with Boris; sudden Green laws

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    • Darcy3 says:

      It depends what planet you are on

      women are from Venus, apparently, according to Waterstones, they have shelfs dedicated to telling you about it

      that would explain a lot about Mrs Darcy, it all becomes clear

      I am saving up for a second hand low mileage space shuttle to get her home

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      • Darcy3 says:

        And I have just recieved a single ticket to Mars hey ho

        it will make a change from Cromer

        I just hope they have pier with a burnt out sixties band playing with a drummer telling me backstage he once audtioned for the Beatles

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        • Scroblene says:

          You can borrow my Eagle CD if you like, Darcy!

          I’m sure Dan Dare will be on hand to help you, but watch out for Digby, as he eats too much, so take some extra deep-fried Radio Times cutlets with you…

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    • Guest Who says:

      Meanwhile Newsnight. Oddly SNAFU.

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  7. StewGreen says:

    TalkRadio Calvin Robinson speaks

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    • Seppers says:

      It’s true. Only Connect is the only thing left for me on beeb. And Neil Brand’s programmes.
      I’m over 50 and want something like Parkinson, and some great comedy that doesn’t preach and have a go at me.

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  8. StewGreen says:

    Police logging 14 year old’s playground discussions questioning whether trans people can say their biological sex has changed.
    Times screenshot
    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/12/04/why-has-it-fallen-to-a-child-to-defend-free-speech/

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  9. Nibor says:

    MASSIVE QUEUES AT PORTS . DELAYS IN IMPORTING AND EXPORTING FOOD AND MEDICINES . KENT TURNED INTO ONE GIANT LORRY PARK . BREXIT MAKES US DOOMED .

    Nah , I could tell them how to get round that .For free .
    Here’s a few pointers .

    1) Sack all senior civil servants ( grade 5 and above ) .
    2) Sack all Gramscians regardless of rank .
    3) Employ patriotic people only as public servants.
    4) Pay is based on (a) the relevant health of the industry they administer, and (b) the economy of the nation.

    Regarding the flow of freight traffic between the UK and EU , send the civil servants , BBC , Guardianistas , Mirror paper and the remainers to the RDCs ( Regional Distribution Centres) where they receive all their ( diverse) goods from 100x more than what flows through Dover .
    One supermarket chain receives more lorries in one RDC than all the British ports in a day , unloads them , processes the goods and distributes our food and other essentials WITHOUT ONE DRIVER EVEN LOOKING AT , NEVER MIND TALKING TO an employee or agent of that supermarket chain . All done through computerisation.
    We are still talking about various weights , mixed loads and different temperatures of the goods on one and all of the lorries delivering .
    Paperwork isn’t needed . Computers and Visual Display Units are required . Not in the lorries, although they have them and will be used more in the future.
    But before you have the computers, the VDUs , the barriers , the traffic lights the touch screens;
    You need the civil servants to have the will , and the patriotism to want to succeed .

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    • Scroblene says:

      Yup, poor old Dover, the place of embarkation for expectant holiday-makers, and Folkestone is the only tunnel around!

      The place is just too small for all this, and as a Kent chap, our poll tax pays for Operation Stack, immigrants piling up on the beaches and a whole lot more bureaucracy in the KCC, police etc!

      I once had to go to Tilbury Docks on a building scheme a few years ago. There was huge security at the gate, hardly anyone in sight except for Le Mans forklift drivers.

      I got lost at some turning, and was immediately stopped by their police, given a huge bollocking and sent on my way!

      Now that is a place to have imports/exports from, no hassle, just business sense!

      Never mind though, we have BBC Radio Kent, and Doris and Boris Norris of Herne Bay has just found her cat, so all is well!

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    • G says:

      Nibor,

      When I see Aldi and Lidl panicking, I’ll start to think about joining them. As most of their products come from the EU.

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  10. vlad says:

    Is the lying BBC covering this?

    Course not.

    ‘Italy: angry locals refuse to accept migrants in their communities’

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    • taffman says:

      It all stems from the EU and Merkel’s invitation. We are at the tail end of this . France will continue to offload their lot on us despite Boris paying the French millions.

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  11. Darcy3 says:

    Italy and angry, (and inventing tanks with one forward gear and three reverse and intimidating referees)

    what next, Africa and corruption maybe

    And possibly South American dwarfs who do not quite grasp the concept of football and it’s connection to the foot

    muslims and…well we maybe need a list there

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  12. Darcy3 says:

    And another thing I am endlessly grateful for

    the abilty to charge whatever they like for a plate of what is in essence wallpaper paste

    And be f ”’g rude to you as they do it

    flour and water

    but try telling Mrs Darcy that

    there is more nutrition in a potato but my attempt at opening a potato shop in Rome did not end well

    I put it down to racism

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    • Scroblene says:

      From the Beeb’s own website: –

      ………………………………………………………….

      So what changes on 1 January 2021?
      Deal or no deal, the way people live and work will be different.

      People planning to move between the UK and EU to live, work, or retire will no longer be automatically allowed to do so

      The UK will apply a points-based immigration system to EU citizens
      Travel rules are changing, so check your passport is still valid, that you have health insurance and the right driving documents

      The UK will no longer make big annual payments towards the EU’s budget

      Arrivals from the UK will stand in a different queue at passport control in EU countries

      Businesses trading with the EU will face a lot more paperwork

      …………………………………………

      …So what’s not to like then Beeb? The last bit about paperwork isn’t the case, as several posts above have explained very well!

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      • Darcy3 says:

        I do recall the difficulty getting a cardboard visitor passport in the seventies

        I think it involved a torturuous 2 minute queue at the Post Office and 5 quid

        back to hell then

        (Oh forgot, no more Post Offices now, although it may be possible in the corner shop if one has an Afghanistan phrasebook to hand, I don’t but my sign language is coming on nicely, whilst we spend thousands for Mrs Darcy’s English lessons to allow her to stay here)

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  13. taffman says:

    “Jamaica flight: Prisoner tests positive for Covid-19”
    So, what does Al Beeb want the Home Office to do, bring them all back?

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    • The WestWyvern says:

      I suspect taff, that they never wanted them to go in the first place. Just a hunch.

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      • taffman says:

        Britain, the country that must allow criminals in, but can’t throw any out. Feeble governments that are turning this small island into a criminal haven.

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        • theisland says:

          It appears that we were/are considered to be the dumping ground for the Continent – their own personal Alcatraz.

          No to mention those certain undesirables from the Commonwealth.

          BORIS – when do we dump the ECHR and legislate our own Human Rights Act?

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  14. JohnC says:

    Just looking at the BBC articles about Biden for the last couple of days. The difference is quite amazing.
    All the picture are of him looking strong and confident whereas all those in recent history about Trump were clearly chosen to make him look like an idiot (like they did to Farage way back when they ever gave him some coverage). And the headlines are now written in their devious manner to make us think positively about what he did instead of the other way round.
    So much for unbiased. I’m sick to the back teeth of them.

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  15. The WestWyvern says:

    Does anyone listen to farming today this week. It’s a repeat of the main articles from farming today. Aka bash Brexit at every opportunity, it’s doom gloom and dire threats from 06.30 to 07.00am.
    Apparently nothing is sorted, we won’t be able to import or export anything and animals, crops and farmers will die in the fields…. Well I made the last bit up, but you can imagine the Al Beeb spin on things.
    Not once did I hear a Beeboid question why, given almost 5years have passed they still haven’t sorted things out???

    Still Toady on now and lots of worried voices about the brexit negotiations…. Off switch.

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  16. Foscari says:

    Letitia Wright the vaccination expert looks like she ticks
    every box to be on Celebrity Mastermind. Edward Jenner
    should be her specialist subject and with her obvious
    ability on general knowledge I suspect that she might
    break all scoring records ,which would be an amazing
    achievement considering the scores of others who have
    ticked the right boxes to appear on the quiz.

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  17. Darcy3 says:

    I think there should be two tiers on Mastermind

    any sleb that cannot answer “who was John Snow?” gets put on the Blue Peter one, especially if they say anything about weather reporting or Ozzy Osbourne’s contacts

    and an immediate fast track to the bbc commenting on epidemiology

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  18. vlad says:

    Some Sadiq Khant stories the bbc won’t tell you about.

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  19. Guest Who says:

    From the look of it, BBC will let this one pass.

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  20. Darcy3 says:

    For the bbc:

    Snow was a British physician who is considered one of the founders of epidemiology for his work identifying the source of a cholera outbreak in 1854.

    John Snow was born into a labourer’s family on 15 March 1813 in York and at 14 was apprenticed to a surgeon. In 1836, he moved to London to start his formal medical education. He became a member of the Royal College of Surgeons in 1838, graduated from the University of London in 1844 and was admitted to the Royal College of Physicians in 1850.

    At the time, it was assumed that cholera was airborne. However, Snow did not accept this ‘miasma’ (bad air) theory, arguing that in fact entered the body through the mouth. He published his ideas in an essay ‘On the Mode of Communication of Cholera’ in 1849. A few years later, Snow was able to prove his theory in dramatic circumstances. In August 1854, a cholera outbreak occurred in Soho. After careful investigation, including plotting cases of cholera on a map of the area, Snow was able to identify a water pump in Broad (now Broadwick) Street as the source of the disease. He had the handle of the pump removed, and cases of cholera immediately began to diminish. However, Snow’s ‘germ’ theory of disease was not widely accepted until the 1860s.

    Snow was also a pioneer in the field of anaesthetics. By testing the effects of controlled doses of ether and chloroform on animals and on humans, he made those drugs safer and more effective. In April 1853, he was responsible for giving chloroform to Queen Victoria at the birth of her son Leopold, and performed the same task in April 1857 when her daughter Beatrice was born.

    Snow died of a stroke on 16 June 1858.

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    • Darcy3 says:

      Plus ca change plus ce la meme chose

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Darcy, it wasn’t until the end of the first decade of the 20th century that houses in a large part of Enfield, north London, were connected to the sewers and had supplies of fresh water on tap to every household. When that work was done the death rate was substantially reduced and public health improved considerably.

      But as your last line demonstrates vividly, death comes to all living things eventually.

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      • Darcy3 says:

        Up2snuff death rate is unfortunately too slow for some, for political reasons

        keep your mask on you never know, probably sound better muffled, and if you want to pick a fight go ahead

        I have never attacked anyone on this site for their opinions

        but quite happy to start

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        • Up2snuff says:

          Er, pardon me – what do you mean – “I have never attacked anyone on this site for their opinions but quite happy to start”

          I posted some historical facts, not opinion, that supported your post or did you not understand it? Go back and read it again. What was done in Enfield, albeit belatedly, was a direct result of Snow’s research and was a practical confirmation of his findings.

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          • Fedup2 says:

            Up2
            I re read darcy3 s comments of 2.12.20 at 15.43 1853 21.01 and 21.11 …. which I believe were aimed at offending me – I think Darcy 3 might have ‘memory problems ‘ from time to time .
            He is another reason for less comments by me on this side and remaining as a moderator – although as we have discussed elsewhere the site might end on 17.12.20….

            I learnt from that experience that it is best to focus on issues relating directly to the BBC rather than general subjects …

            I’ve also learnt that sometimes it’s not worth trying to discuss with some posters .

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            • Up2snuff says:

              Fed, “I think Darcy 3 might have ‘memory problems ‘ from time to time .” Occasioned by a good lunch? Maybe.

              I agree that we should try primarily on here to aim our fire at the BBC for its failings and I remind myself of that from time to time. Inevitably though, the BBC is linked to Brexit, its metro-Socialist attitudes then demand political responses here and then there’s HMG not exactly covering itself in glory at present which reflects in the BBC coverage and can demand or suggest comment. Sometimes it is unavoidable.

              Until an apology is forthcoming from Darcy I shall just ignore his posts.

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              • Fedup2 says:

                Up2
                I couldn’t possibly comment ….- yes I can – I’ve learnt this week to be more business like on this site – no flippancy – just straight comment .

                Here is one

                On Friday a bbc news anchor was ‘interviewing ‘ the discredited ‘fact checker ‘. She mentioned that the UK fishing industry was very small but was a barrier to a EU UK trade agreement .
                Neither BBC employee mentioned that one of the reasons the fishing industry is small is because the EU destroyed it . Bias .

                2
                Micah Richards on the red button footy Saturday afternoon called all the millwall fans who booed the kneeling ‘racists . Micah Richards is a coloured boy with a big mouth and not much brain .
                The Scottish girl ‘anchor ‘ agreed – mr Richards has a big chip and chooses not to question the value of the pitiful kneeling or the adverse effect it is having on coloured types – who seem to live their lives as victims .

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                • Up2snuff says:

                  Fed, “I couldn’t possibly comment ….- yes I can – I’ve learnt this week to be more business like on this site – no flippancy – just straight comment.”

                  A little levity from Moderator and site users alike helps to ease the load of leaven 😉 that the Pharisaical BBC lump on us, the listeners and viewers.

                  You’re doing a great job – keep going.

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  21. theisland says:

    More ‘dumping’ information – courtesy of facts4eu.org

    Here
    How the EU’s Euro currency has been used to dump its goods at artificially-reduced prices onto the UK and world markets for years
    How this has increased the massive trade deficit which the UK has with the EU
    How Germany has benefited most of all

    Here
    The risks of the Euro to the UK and the World
    The opportunities for Brexit Britain to counter the threat and deal with it

    Disclaimer – I personally know nothing about Economics. Over to those here who do.

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    • G says:

      Theisland,
      “How this has increased the massive trade deficit which the UK has with the EU”. Isn’t that otherwise known as, “the Level Playing Field”……

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      • Up2snuff says:

        ti, can’t see the EU surviving Covid-19. Poland are famously only in it for the money. When the handouts stop, they may well be off out of it, possibly after the EU has interfered too far in Poland’s domestic politics.

        Italy is said to be a basket case waiting to happen. Brussels has put together a rescue package for Covid hit member States – cannot remember size of it offhand – but Italy or Greece could probably drain it on their own, let alone together.

        The Greeks don’t love the Germans. The Poles don’t love the Germans. The French don’t love the Germans. Then there is that neat little sub-group centred on Hungary, there’s another problem for the shady bunch who have inherited the founding fathers’ estate and wish to create a European State.

        I could be wrong of course and it may all stick together …. at the eleventh hour.

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  22. StewGreen says:

    local news just reported that the Russian vaccine programme starts tomorrow on normal citizens “but is still in the trial stage”.
    .. But isn’t the UK programme a kind of trial ?
    It’s been tested, but not on the full age range and demographics etc.

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  23. StewGreen says:

    – “Ann Widdecombe expresses her extreme concern about the English Law Commission’s recommendation to extend anti-hate speech laws to conversations in our own homes.

    This, she argues, is the sort of totalitarian measure one has hitherto only seen in regimes such as Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union — certainly not in a country famed for the old adage: “an Englishman’s home is his castle”.

    Woke Culture Wars: From cancel culture to the toppling of statues, Ms. Widdecombe is deeply concerned about the radical woke iconoclasts who seek to undermine British identity by attacking its history and culture. She does not understand why the Government, police and other institutions are so placid and reluctant to stand up and defend Britain.”

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  24. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Just for a moment let’s suppose the government are telling the truth about this new vaccine.

    The numbers I am using are all rough guesses but I think they are not far off and you will get the idea of what I’m getting at soon enough.

    I think, if you look at the various graphs, the vast number of deaths occur in the very old and those who are most vulnerable.
    Let’s say there are about 8 million although I suspect it may be a bit lower.
    These will be targeted for the vaccine and I would guess most of them would be vaccinated by the end of February.

    If you gave this vaccine to 8 million schoolchildren the number of deaths would remain virtually the same so you should accept that giving this vaccine to the groups where the vast majority of deaths occur must give the biggest number of lives saved.

    If the vaccines start in a few days time it means that by the end of December people will be completing the second dose and, if it’s 95% effective in protecting from covid, it will start to stop many deaths.

    The 400-600 daily death total would drop to 20-40. Any more than that would be added to the flu and pneumonia death totals. (To make the government look good)

    By Easter almost all people at any risk would have been vaccinated.

    The milder weather would contribute to a big drop in cases.

    If the vaccination protects from covid then I suspect less cases will be passed on unless the vaccine lets covid remain infectious.

    About 40 million under 50’s are largely unaffected or only mildly affected and show only a tiny number of the deaths so they are a low priority for the vaccination although they may be spreaders.

    There’s also a growing number of those who have immunity from covid, either natural immunity or antibodies from an earlier covid infection.

    The government will tell us all how good they are and have saved thousands of deaths.

    With all 3 vaccines on the go covid should be wiped out by about May.

    Of course, by next October, the virus may mutate and we start over again.

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  25. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #1 – mention of risk at last but

    Maybe senior Beeboids do read the posts on this site? At last on the TOADY Prog there was mention of the R-word (not the R-rate – which I gather is at a four month low but is now apparently completely unimportant) – Risk.

    It wasn’t a no-holds barred discussion with medical people pointing out that vaccinations are risky for some, even if they are only 0.000001% of the UK population. But they did suggest a Covid-19 vaccine may not be suitable for some people. The BBC presenter presiding, think it was the Bee Lady, asked about whether a vaccine may innoculate a person against the virus but may not stop them spreading it.

    No questions asked about mutation. No virologist available to contribute and explain about the fact that ‘flu’ vaccines never eradicate influenza because of the ways in which the ‘flu’ virus may mutate. Instead the BBC, cast doubts about the effectiveness of vaccination, possibly in support of their now inbuilt Socialist ideal of having constant restrictions.

    Of course, the BBC wouldn’t be wanting to stoke up the ‘anti-vaxxers’, would they, to get another ban or new laws in place? Would they?

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  26. Thatcherrevolutionary says:

    In the process of purchasing a new Land Rover Defender. The salesman was quite pushy looking for the sale today, however I’m leaning more toward ordering one exactly to the colour and spec that I would like.
    Sitting at his desk in the showroom, he gave me a printed quote, then qualified it with –
    ‘That’s only good until 31st December ‘cos of Brexit. Will probably be a 7 – 10% increase on that because of Brexit’
    When asked to explain why, he couldn’t say anything other than ‘Brexit’ repeatedly. When pressed that Land Rover is a British based company, and tariffs shouldn’t apply, he shrugged his shoulders and repeated his ‘Brexit’ mantra.
    Presumably this is what the MSM and globalist corporations has hammered into lower intelligence individuals over the last few years.

       56 likes

    • Up2snuff says:

      Yes, Tr, two groups of people in UK.

      Those that can assemble a group of brain cells in their skulls, rub them together and listen to all this “negotiations taken to the 59th minute of the eleventh hour” stuff about the EU and realise that that is not an effective and efficient way to organise and get things done in the 21st century and they were right to vote Leave in June 2016.

      Then there are the others who are blind to reality, fully indoctrinated with Europhilia or perhaps – more likely? – with holiday homes and maybe a property portfolio in the EU and prefer cosy thoughts about ‘all being in it together’.

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    • StewGreen says:

      Tell it you know he is trying to claim his sales bonus right now
      and what price drop will he offer to get you to buy right now , instead of next week.

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  27. JimS says:

    It’s not impossible but…

    Just been on PayPal to report a shoddy good and on ‘closing out’ am presented with a cartoon-style page, “Let’s make it one to remember – This Christmas might be diferent , but we’ll help you get what you need to make it special.” And alongside this is a cartoon decorated conifer, (a Northern European icon of Christmas), plus a troupe of five Indian-looking dancers in star-spangled purple jump suits.

    ‘Inclusivity and Diversity’ are getting to look more and more excluding. Europeans – no longer welcome in North America, Europe, or, indeed, the world.

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    • Darcy3 says:

      Just wait until the Nigerian fraudsters get into Paypal

      apparently I am paying housing benefit for 16 of them, and their bloody kids, and taxis to school, and there is not a damned thing I can do about it

      thank you Paypal

      one piece of advice, Paypal demand you link a bank account for their service

      make sure it is not your main account, unless you have a fondness for Nigerian Princes who have lost some gold or something and need your help

      It happens maybe once or twice but the third time ? one gets suspicious

      and then the bailiffs come round

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  28. StewGreen says:

    12:03 pm R4 Moneybox talking about how the DWP is stealing money from certain people’s salaries
    and then being incompetent in sorting in out.
    – You notice that money is missing from your salary
    and contact your employer
    – Your employer says they have had an instruction from DWP to collect money each month in order to repay Universal Credit loans
    – You say I’ve been working all the time I haven’t claimed any UC.
    – You phone the DWP number you’ve been given, and they never answer it.
    – You get another DWP number , they answer and ask for the bank account number the money was paid into
    .. You say you never got any money
    .. They reply that since you are unable to confirm the details data privacy means they can’t continue.
    – You work out a fraudster has claimed in your name
    .. If you are lucky the fraudster has not used a false address and you get a DWP letter before the money has been taken from your salary.
    – Universal Credit was supposed to reduce fraud, when this thing started to happen, DWP worked out they needed to have face to face meetings to check people’s ID, and that worked.
    However this year due to Covid they stopped them , so the ID fraudsters moved back in.
    – 24 June DWP introduced a special Stolen Identities team. However in July a guy was still having problems as the DWP was still docking his salary for the 6th month
    – This was all explained by an Stephen Timms (Labour MP) @stephenCTimms
    who added that UC payment were sill 10% to fraudsters even not including this particular type.

    Bottomline the DWP like anyone else claiming back payments off you must provide proof to you of delivery of the goods.
    .. and you can probably bill them for your time.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000q3jb

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  29. StewGreen says:

    Nihal and his Sri Lankan flag etc.
    (which BTW has its own history of Tamil genocide by government)

       12 likes

  30. Guest Who says:

    Totes. Cannot. Wait.

       16 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      Coming up soon from a BBC manager a complaint that people are talking too much about female presenters’ appearance rather than their brains.

      It’s probably a BBC male like BBC Tr(uthb)ending’s Mike Wen,dling that came up with idea of using her as a puppet.

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  31. Van Helsing says:

    Guest,

    In her capacity as Adrienne Mole (aged 24 and a bit), will Marianna investigate the rise of narcissism amongst millennials?

    Answers on a stamped addressed selfie stick to the usual address.

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  32. Jack in the Green says:

    Apoplexy at yours truly on final score as Millwall fans boo taking the knee. So predictable. Keep it up and probably get your wet dream of alienating the entire white working class brexit voting English scum like me come true. Careful what you wish for.

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  33. Non Snowflake says:

    Something which I’m sure WILL be on the bBBC (and they’ll milk it for all it’s worth). Apparently when the imbecile players were taking the knee, just before the start of the Millwall vs Derby match, a fair number of the crowd started booing.

    Now obviously this is good news, and proves that the ordinary person in the street can see this BLM bollox for what it really is, but it will be interesting to see how indignant the bBBC is and how they report it.

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    • Wink1 says:

      They have just spoken about it on the BBC Final Score results show. Oh how they thought it was terrible . ” The people booing are anti BLM so anti Black” according to Dion Dublin. ” The people booing should be easily identified and dealt with” he followed with!! So despite those supporters paying hundreds of pounds for season tickets they have to shut up and put up with it!!!

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      • Doobster78 says:

        Former Coventry and Aston Villa striker Dion Dublin, who had a loan spell at Millwall in 2002, added: “They don’t agree with taking the knee, which means they are racist. They don’t agree with Black Lives Matter; that says they are racist to me

        Just f off Dion , f right off !!!!!!.

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      • Banania says:

        Dealt with by whom and how?

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    • Doobster78 says:

      Just came here to post about this.

      I knew this would happen when fans allowed back in (the ordinary man on the street) .

      Well done them fans 👍👍👍

      Here is the BBC pundit Micah Richards take on it (lol)

      He obviously doesn’t see the average Joe has had a belly full of blm AND it is folk like him and his fellow BBC BLM buddies that have put race relations back 25years !!!!!!!!

      Richards told BBC TV’s Final Score: “There are 2,000 so you can pinpoint the people going. There are no excuses. I am sick to death of talking about this situation.

      “It is so disheartening because it is like we have come so far but we have so far to go. I don’t even like talking about the matter. It feels like it falls on deaf ears. It is time and time and time again.

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  34. Dover Sentry says:

    So, not taking the knee means you are racist. 🙁

    “Some Millwall fans booed players taking a knee at the start of the Championship match against Derby County on Saturday.”

    “Former Coventry and Aston Villa striker Dion Dublin, who had a loan spell at Millwall in 2002, added: “They don’t agree with taking the knee, which means they are racist. They don’t agree with Black Lives Matter; that says they are racist to me.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55111474

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  35. Darcy3 says:

    A complaint on behalf of my wife regarding black bbc presenters taking the piss out of Chinese (that’s allowed, apparently)

    has just been responded to


    BBC Racism 

    We note your tiresome obsession with black people .What I will not accept is your continual obsession with desperately trying to find evidence of racism against blacks whilst allowing them to be as racist as they like.

    You obviously could not find any white presenters for your programme on BBC2 “All over the place – Asia” from the 85% of white people in this country so had to have two black presenters from the small 15% of the population, as bloody usual.

    Yet when you interview a Thai pesron explaining something in his native laguage you decide to put a “comic” chinese accented translation whilst your two “poor oppressed blacks who are perennial victims of racism in your twisted minds” stand and snigger along

    Racism against “yellows” is allowed is it ?

    So, just for balance, I fully expect you do to a comic “African accent” in any translation from a programme in one of their warn torn [email protected] please

    Dear Mrs Chin,

    Thank you for contacting us in relation to ‘All Over the Place: Asia’ on 31 October.

    Firstly, we apologise for the delay in replying. We know our correspondents appreciate a quick response and we are very sorry you’ve had to wait on this occasion.

    We raised your concerns with the producers of the programme

    They explained:

    “On All Over The Place, we use a wide range of presenters from different backgrounds. Ed Petrie is our main presenter and throughout the 5 items in each show, he is usually joined by one other presenter. However in some cases (as is the case in this item being referred to) we use a duo who know one another, like Sam & Mark, Johnny and Inel etc.

    Regarding the voiceover, it wasn’t the presenters doing the voiceover, it was our voiceover artist. Throughout the series he did a range of accents (American, Scottish, English regions etc) when translating for our contributors. This was done so the voiceovers were in keeping with the overall tone of the show, which is light hearted and fun.

    The different accents used throughout were certainly not meant to cause offence.”

    We hope this allays your concerns.

    This is where feedback such as yours is very much valued by the BBC as it tells us what users think we’re getting right, and of course what they think we’re getting wrong.

    Please be assured that your concerns were sent to senior staff at the BBC via our daily report.

    Thanks again for taking the time to get in touch.

    Kind Regards,

    Ciaran Hanna

    BBC Complaints Team
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints

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    • Darcy3 says:

      You see the bbc do light hearted and fun when their black presenters decide to take the piss out of other races

      unless they decide to be outraged

      again, confusion

      and they do not apologise about the complaint they “explain”

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  36. Doobster78 says:

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    • Swelter says:

      Not taking the knee is now racist according to Dion Dublin what utter tripe.Never thought I would say it but fair play to the Milwall fans who refuse to be dictated to by Marxists and their agenda. All fans should take the opportunity to voice their opposition to this divisive movement.

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  37. Docmarooned says:

    The sanctimonious claptrap from the woke brigade in response to the glorious display by the Millwall fans certainly cheered me up after months of this media led nonsense. They are PATHETIC.

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    • Northern Voter says:

      Is the crisp man racist? He always seems to appear with non coloured personnel on match of the day. At least two of the three are white, tonight is not different, crisp man and two other white members of his gang.

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  38. StewGreen says:

    Medialand has decided that old time experts are not allowed to front TV progs any more cos #WhiteManBad
    and DIVERSITY means whatever the channel we get the same GuardianApproved faces

    This morning Ella Al-Shamahi tweeted 9am “I’m going to be on BBC Radio 4 Sat Live in a bit with Ian Rankin

    Then tonight 6:30pm she’s switched from working with Chris Packham on BBC to doing Channel4
    Jungle Mystery – Lost Kingdoms of the Amazon

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    • StewGreen says:

      She’s of Yemeni and Syrian ancestry.
      Grew up in Birmingham then studied University College London,
      then worked Imperial College London

      The media describe her as a scientist
      That is flexible thinking she’s still a PhD student.
      Her Abubakr brother was a Guardian journo.

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    • StewGreen says:

      Her prog is followed by Alice Roberts at 7:30pm presenting her history series about towns : Glasgow

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    • StewGreen says:

      Prog is a bit of a circus
      She’s zooming from country to country in the Amazon like a billionaire tourist
      and has now visited 2 indigenous tribes.
      Someone should document tribes, but it’s kind of real bad to turn up with a foreign TV crew, cos we carry bugs they have no resistance to.
      However if tribes have had close contact with city people then outsiders can be more helpful, than local land invaders etc.

      And here she says the Brazilian government agency FUNAI is not really trustworthy, so the tribe won’t allow them to see ancient pottery, but will allow foreigners to.

      Now she has made a big show of bringing a pottery expert to the tribe
      which will be important for them to claim ownership rights of the land.
      She says she so wants the expert to decide in favour.
      Now luckily he did judge them to be 1000-1500 years old and therefore pre colonial.
      But it would have been real tough for him if he’d decided the other way.

      She never made it clear that most of the archaeology she was talking about was medieval rather than truly ancient like Sphinx or Stonehenge.

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      • Seppers says:

        Dont trust Alice Roberts after she implied that it was kind of not that bad that Viking raiders killed English monks. Think it was her, hope I’ve remembered it right.

           1 likes

  39. taffman says:

    “UK-EU Brexit trade talks back on, say leaders”
    Is BoJo becoming a Neville Chamberlain?
    The French want our fish at all costs.

       19 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      Boris on Christmas Eve
      “in my hand I have a piece of paper
      … there will be peace
      .. I have given the EU all they demanded”

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      • Yasser Dasmibehbi says:

        Yes, Stew! The piece of paper and peace in our time speech. I remember it well.

           6 likes

    • Dobyns says:

      Dare I say the French will have “fish in our time”

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  40. Doobster78 says:

    LOL …..a joke BUT probably exactly what BBC bods like Lineker are thinking !!!

       46 likes

    • Foscari says:

      Doobster-I knew this was going to happen. The BBC has made
      the knee bending a cause celebre. For any football match they
      show even if its 2 minute highlights, the number one highlight
      for the supporters of the anarchist Marxist BLM at the BBC
      and that’s nearly all of them, is the knee bending.
      I have said this a thousand times the terrible death of the violent
      gangster George Floyd was a crime by the US police. However
      for ever more are we to see this knee bending at sporting events? So far as the BBC is concerned-Yes !!

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      • Seppers says:

        And Sky. Sophy Ridge was asking an MP what should be done about the booing, obfuscating the distinction between anti-racism and what is a political movement with other aims. He pointed this out but was pretty much ignored; she seemed vehement that they should pay for their dissent.

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    • Dobyns says:

      💖💖💖

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  41. Sluff says:

    Strictly Come Dancing.
    It opens with a drag queen/ cross dressing dance !!!!!!!

    The BBC. Ever eager to ignore the normal lives of 99% of us in order to propagandise the ‘interests’ of their favourite minority of the day on the rest of us.

    Personally I rather prefer Tess Daly in heels, but in BBC land that probably makes me some sort of heterosexual anti LGBTQxyz FarRight extremist.

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  42. StewGreen says:

    Alice Roberts in Glasgow
    ..”now tell us about the black American man who came to study medicine here”
    At the news Glasgow uni building named after black abolitionist James McCune Smith
    who got his medical degree in Glasgow because no American medical school would accept him.

    .. “now immigration ..the Irish immigrants
    .. the poor Irish were seen as a burden on the public purse”

    Just got stick for not being able to pronounce Loch Katrine

    Now “The brutal colonisation of Native American homelands”
    intro to the Buffalo Bill show.
    “His 60 natives were made to re-enact their battle defeat”

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    • StewGreen says:

      Now a black expert @peggybrunache is on ostensibly talking about the Willow Tea Rooms, but they slipped into speech
      about how the cafe was allegedly anti-slavery
      “but the city’s profits depended on the tobacco and cotton trade dependent on slaves”

      By the time they’ve ticked all their boxes the show is over.

      I checked and the prog started with a mention Glasgow was “built on the shameful slave trade”

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    • digg says:

      It is now blatantly obvious that the BBC have a specialist team who’s only job is to find any way they can to inject accusations of racism into every program however flimsy and delusional.

         20 likes

  43. taffman says:

    \\Brexit: UK-EU trade talks to resume over ‘critical issues’//
    Remind me who was that said “No deal is better than a bad deal”

    The EU needs to remember that “Tariffs” work both ways, the EU exports more to the UK than we export to them . If we are finally free, we can import cheaper good from abroad.
    No deal all the way .

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  44. vlad says:

    Under pressure from his furious constituents, the lukewarm Governor of Georgia finally moves towards demanding an audit of the votes.

    Next day his daughter’s boyfriend dies in a mysterious car-crash.

    I’m sure it’s just coincidence, and definitely not pressure being exerted on him to back off… or else!

    Salty is more sceptical.

    ‘Did Joe Biden’s Team Just Blow Up a Kid To Threaten GA Governor?’

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    • Foscari says:

      Vlad -There have been other times in the USA when
      somebody believes that there has been terrible cover ups
      to even a political assassinations. Even today there are old
      folk that are scared to talk about what they know about the
      CONSPIRACY to kill JFK and afterwards the top journalist and
      famous TV personality Dorothy Killgallen who was about to
      spill the beans .
      This vote fraud in the USA is nothing new. How do you think
      that JFK beat Nixon in 1960 ? The trouble for JFK was that his
      brother as attorney general went after the “folks” who won
      the presidency for JFK. Which was very ill advised. It cost his
      brother his life.

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  45. Concrete sea says:

    I used to think that the Beebs sports page was OK, but never an organisation to miss stamping its own views on the public we see today on the football page a headline ‘Fans boo teams taking a knee at Millwall’. Well yes, apparently they did, but then follows a complete diatribe with no opportunity missed.
    Dion Dublin says ‘They don’t agree with taking the knee, which means they are racist’. I can’t wait for the next episode of Home under the Hammer to see Dion down as well.
    Micah Richards says ‘ I am sick to death of talking about this situation’. Well don’t, that’s half the problem.
    Millwall players say ‘We wish to make clear that taking the knee, for us, is in no way representative of any agreement with political messaging or ideology. It is purely about tackling discrimination, as has been the case throughout’. Perhaps they didn’t write this themselves, but whoever did must be pretty thick.
    The club are hastily preparing an anti discrimination strategy. I guess Eastenders style this may involve a visit from ‘the boys’ to your address to ‘have a word’
    The Kick It Out chair comments and then some mention of George Floyd.
    Comments from Millwall fans, obviously not mentioned in the piece, suggest they are just fed up with it and feel they should be free to express their views.

    Oh the score it was 1-0 to Derby.

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    • digg says:

      The English are so racist that Dion Dublin ended up worth 16 million quid before being given a slot on TV to make even more!

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  46. Robot says:

    Absolutely outrageous of the BBC commentators, and Dion Dublin, to say that anyone vocally objecting to taking the knee is racist and should be identified and banned. The mealy-mouthed F.A., and BBC Match of the Day people, have been on their priggish high-horses for months pronouncing what all supporters must think and how they should respond. They have slithered the real meaning (and conveniently ignored the genesis) of the knee-taking gesture into now being a stand against social injustice in general. Arrant nonsense. We all know how the gesture originated, what it signifies and how it was taken up with alacrity by the BLM movement. To suggest that anyone who objects to this is a bigot is absurd.
    I’m reminded of this image from earlier in the season and have waited in vain for a professional player to have the moral integrity to do something similar.

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQxZCfDOviOG1mtP5izU2NwtY1pHKsN6PuIuQ&usqp=CAU

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    • taffman says:

      Robot
      Don’t pay the tax that robs from the poor to give to the rich.

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      • digg says:

        I take my hat off to all the Millwall supporters who refused to accept this enforced self denigrating crap enforced by the media. This is all about gaining unearned power and has nothing to do with right or wrong. This country is one of the most tolerant nations on Earth so BBC you can F off with your divisionalism.

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        • Dobyns says:

          💖💖💖

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        • digg says:

          If the football league are sucked in to this BLM pantomime then it’s up to level headed supporters to vote by starving them of ticket fees…this needs to become a national campaign to restore sanity.

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  47. StewGreen says:

    New Zealand Covid has been ticking along at around 6 new cases each day
    Almost all what they call non-community cos they are either people entering the border or border staff. Only a couple of times have had they had a run into the community, but that’s been contained.
    Like the Pakistan cricket team arrived and 6 of them had it.
    But this is all with unsustainable draconian measure of all new arrivals are put in quarantine hotels.
    Even if they are hiding some cases they can’t be hiding a lot.

    There must be other countries where they don’t have Christmas, but have another big celebration holiday.
    If one was in October or November we should be able to see the effect on case count of travelling home/holiday/return to work.

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  48. Jeff says:

    It’s hardly surprising that working class football supporters find this perpetual kneeling to the revolting Black Lives Matter Marxists to be absolutely repellent. So do I.

    Of course these well heeled, parasitic race baiters, Lineker and co, giving vent to their spleen courtesy of the biggest and most dangerous race baiting organisation in the country don’t like our response.
    Tough shit!

    The BBC have spent months stirring the pot after the death of George Floyd. They never missed a trick, constantly goading an already volatile and (let’s be honest) thick group of angry young blacks with their summer season of British racism. BBc2 and BBc4 were full of slavery, Stephen Lawrence, random people I’d never heard of killed decades ago in the US. Anyone would think they were trying to cause trouble…

    The sooner we get shot of them the better.

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    • digg says:

      I don’t think the BBC are unaware of the rage their biased reporting on BLM causes to the overwhelming majority of people in this Country.

      They simply view such people as both beneath contempt and unimportant and are thus determined not only to disregard their views but to actively suppress them.

      To the BBC, the future is to be dictated by the Elites using the left-wing and the one-world Globalists and the rest of us will just have to be silenced and suck it up.

      They use this same technique against anything that contravenes their mantra including Brexit, Trump and the Conservatives.

      If we had a Government that was prepared to take them on and bring about an even-handed balance from the BBC that reflects the views of the majority in this Country things might improve but I’m afraid it seems that the current Government does not have the balls or stomach to do it.

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      • Seppers says:

        Brilliant post, sums it all up so well. And, to be honest the rich globalist/left collusion is a weird turn of events from the past 5-10 years imo.

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    • Dobyns says:

      At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed that all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to say this, that or the other, but it is ‘not done’ to say it, just as in mid-Victorian times it was ‘not done’ to mention trousers in the presence of a lady. Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with surprising effectiveness. A genuinely unfashionable opinion is almost never given a fair hearing, either in the popular press or in the highbrow periodicals.

      “The Freedom of the Press”, unused preface to Animal Farm (1945)

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  49. Deborah says:

    I was going to say that I don’t expect to be preached at over Xmas. But actually the BBC seem to forget that at least nominally this is a Christian country. But I have just read on the Daily Mail website (so it must be true) that the Vicar of Dibley at Xmas will have Geraldine taking the knee and her sermon will be on Black Lives Matter. I had thought it was supposed to be a comedy. I will not be watching.

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