337 Responses to Weekend Thread 7 November 2020

  1. Darcy3 says:

    Cannot attend remembrance Sunday but in the mosques and the Shisa bars ………………..


  2. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    So then.
    What have we learned from the USA election.

    1. Cheats win and the honest lose. The Left, all over the world, have realised that to appear to win an election they must use all dishonest means they can from printing thousands of fake votes to losing thousands of ‘Right’ votes, from registering dead people to multi postal votes being filled in by one person.
    From Tower Hamlets to Nigel’s mysterious defeat in Thanet, from N Korea to the Putin 99.99% victories, from all the left ‘Democratic Republics of ………’ in the World who get 100% voted back in time after time. They all have one thing in common, left wing vote faking.
    I’ve never heard of any ‘right wing’ voting corruption.
    Play by the rules and you lose.

    2. Violence (blm etc) is the way to get your way. Our muzzie friends know this all too well, the more they kill and blow up, the more concessions they get and they even get the sympathy over the victims (backlash, not all muzzies, rop etc)

    3. The msm are a load of lying bastards.

    4. The Left are very accomplished at cheating elections as they have had plenty of practice at it. They only lost the last USA election because they underestimated the number of extra democrat votes they needed to print off but this time they made sure there were plenty emergency democrat votes to go around.
    Something Donald will have to watch out for is that the left have become very clever with their vote rigging so it won’t be easy to prove they cheat. With virtually all the media on the side of the left much will be hidden. We see this now with all the screenshots, whistleblowers and posts detailing vote corruption being ignored……tumbleweed.

    5. As Bill would say, “Methinks the lady doth protest too much”
    Earlier I posted that the wimmin reporting from the USA were sticking “no evidence of fraud” and similar sentences at the end of everything they said. So, keep repeating the message (lie) and more people will believe you.

    6. The slebs are a load of gobshites.

    Feel free to add more to the list. I’m sure I’ll remember more as soon as this goes up.

    I was brought up thinking that eventually the truth will come out and that good triumphs over evil but I cannot see any of that the way things are now be it the USA stolen election, Brexit looking dodgy or the covid manipulation we are currently going through.
    I lived through the Asian flu, Hong Kong flu (both worse than covid, even using the fiddled covid figures), AIDS, SARS, the miscellaneous other life ending world wide epidemics (which failed, such as bird flu) but this covid carry on is well over the top. Good job nobody catches flu, pneumonia or dies of ‘old age’ now.


    • Ian Rushlow says:

      The investigation by the Special Committee comprising Democrat members of the Supreme Court, the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi, Facebook, Twitter and selected media organisations into the Presidential Election, not due to be released until 19th January 2021, has been leaked. It states:

      ‘Investigations have revealed that polling irregularities did in fact occur during the election. However, they were infrequent and small scale in nature and did not affect the outcome in any manner, either locally or nationally. Accordingly, the inauguaration of the new President will take place as scheduled tomorrow. Following the unexpected illness of winning candidate Joe Biden, Kamala Harris will become the first female president and woman of color to obtain the highest office.’


  3. Old Goat says:

    Posted elsewhere:

    I have temporarily removed my poppy, in protest at the hypocrisy of the government.

    The elite, alone, may attend the cenotaph, but not the plebs – the descendants of the same plebs sent to fight in two world wars, to maintain our democratic freedoms, which this government ( and others) have squandered, and continue to dismantle, and for which we are beginning to mightily suffer.

    And they have the nerve to declare that they will “remember them”. Will they, f**k.


  4. pugnazious says:

    Tuned in to hear Sopel on his soapbox working up a luxurious lather about Sleepy Joe telling us we must all come together….well I think Sopel was just about there such was his pleasure at the election result.

    Amused to hear him quote Harris saying that America has chosen ‘hope and unity, decency, science and yes, truth’….lol….that was an untruth in itself. So Big Brother….so very BBC….bringing you the truth but not as you know it and all those ‘alternate facts’.

    Sopel began his piece by saying the Trump Presidency had brought turmoil, upheaval and division, chaos, conflict and demonisation….Seems Joe is not the only one asleep at the wheel….how could Sopel have missed the fact that it was not Trump but the Democrats who sowed hate, dischord and division with their destructive and damaging refusal to accept the 2016 result and their subsequent extreme actions, trying to overturn the result by working hand-in-hand with Putin and his misinformation campaign, by trying to impeach Trump and by weaponising race and trying to spark a race war…..Zurcher follows in his master’s foosteps as he spreads the same lie…

    ‘The president Mr Biden will replace was one who was often criticised for stoking cultural divisions and doing little to tamp down the unrest that broke out in many US cities earlier this year.’

    Hmmm…wasn’t it the Democrats who stoked the culture wars not to mention the race wars? Wasn’t it the Democrats who fuelled and provoked the ‘unrest that broke out in many US cities’?

    I quote something Darcy3 in these comments has posted…it perfectly sums up the truth…

    ‘Joe, I don’t know what screwed up fantasy world you’re living in with all this “healing” and “unity”, but let me tell you about my world here in the destroyed parts of Minneapolis. This year we’ve watched treasonous radical leftists riot, loot, burn down entire city blocks through arson, destroy private businesses, illegally occupy private property, assault and murder police officers, assault and murder innocent people, and destroy large parts of our cities across our country. Yet now that you’re elected all of that should be forgiven, Joe? These are violent felony crimes that the left has committed in their WAR against Trump and his supporters! You want to talk about “peace” and “unity” after the radical left waged an outright war upon the American people? I will never forgive or forget the left’s treason against the American people for the rest of my life! You people on the left are completely unforgiven to me. I will never support you, or forgive you and others on the left, Joe!”’

    Sopel eulogises Biden telling us he brings unity, harmony, healing, cooperation, a coming together of America…..but damning Trump and his supporters…

    ‘[Biden] also reached out to Trump supporters directly.

    “It’s time to put away the harsh rhetoric, lower the temperature, see each other again, listen to each other again,” Mr Biden said, without mentioning his rival in the election. “And to make progress, we have to stop treating our opponents as enemies.”‘

    So in Sopel’s interpretation Biden is scolding trump supporters for their harsh rhetoric, their failure to listen, for treating their opponents as enemies….isn’t that a perfect description of the Dems?

    Sopel finished with one last dig telling us that Trump was ‘breaking with tradition by not conceding defeat’. What tradition would that be then?

    Did the Democrat’s not mount a legal challenge in 2000 to challenge the result in Florida which was the lynchpin vote?

    How about the gracious Hillary Clinton in 2016?…she has continuously run a bitter campaign against Trump[frequently on the BBC] saying the election was stolen.

    ‘Hillary Clinton’s campaign has refused to concede the election.

    Campaign chief John Podesta said that Ms Clinton won’t be admitting defeat on election night. That’s despite terrible results for her campaign, with most pollsters suggesting that Donald Trump will almost certainly win.

    He argued that there were many votes left to count and that the Democrat candidate could still win.’

    or how about now?

    Clinton advised Biden….‘She said this year’s election day results might point to Trump having a narrow advantage. But in that case, Clinton said, “Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances because I think this is going to drag out.”’

    I don’t know where Sopel gets his ‘news’ from but presumably it’s a direct feed from Democrat Party HQ. He does seem to be nothing more than a mouthpiece for the Democrats…and the Russians ironically enough, who must be loving all of this.


    • Doobster78 says:

      Couldn’t have put it better Pug. Superb summary.

      Sopel is a DISGUSTING, blinkered, bias hypocrite who needs putting out to grass asap.


      • Up2snuff says:

        Sopel said something this morning that may come back to bite him but I cannot remember what it was.


  5. G.W.F. says:

    Tories line up to accept their new leadership – the media who put Biden in . Javid Savid, Moslem MP, declares support for Biden



    • Up2snuff says:

      G.W.F., I wondered last week when Sajid Javid, our erstwhile Chancellor, might put together a Party leadership bid? It took me while to remember his name.


  6. Doobster78 says:

    Lying, cheating, scum. Well, now covid has disappeared in the USA, they can vote again in PERSON in these rigged states !!!


    • Cooper_Man says:

      That clip is a great start for British relations with the possible next U.S. administration – Biden telling the BBC that he’s Irish (even though he isn’t) – that’ll be a meaningful Brexit down the crapper then.


  7. pugnazious says:

    Get your ‘MADA’ hats here….Make America a Doormat Again.

    Biden’s policies…

    Appease Iran and cosy up to them and their nuclear development programme.

    Appease Russia and China and refusing to face them down either geopolitically or in trade.

    Appease the Palestinians and put the boot on the neck of the Jews.

    Appease the IRA terrorists and treat the British and Brexit as the enemy.

    Appease all his friends in Europe who will be lining up for the handouts to start again.

    Appease the cultural vandals and terrorists of BLM and turn America into a nation even more divided by race.

    And not least…possibly one of the most consequential result of the election is that any last hope of reining in Google, Facebook and Twitter may have been lost….Biden may or may not tackle their omnipresence and dominance, if only in advertising, but he won’t in any way try to stop their promotion of the extremist liberal progressive narrative and vision and their suppression and censorship of opposing views. Trump was the only one who would even consider going down that avenue…Biden knows the Social Media stormtroopers are on his side.

    For all the BBC’s hatred of ‘social media’ it’s only when real people on it utilise it to support views and policies that the BBC disagrees with that it raises any objections. The Silicon Valley Gods and Demagogues can continue to rule over our views and opinions as long as they crush ‘populist’ dissent and promote the BBC’s world vision.


  8. Up2snuff says:

    BBC Morning News Watch #1 and only special Collectors Edition

    It’s all over for Trump. The BBC are all over ‘China Joe’ and are all over excited. Calm down, dear. They forget how fragile ‘China Joe’ might be. I hope Kamala and Jill have him wrapped in cotton wool and bubble wrap and put in a sturdy box when not in use.


  9. Guest Who says:

    Pushing his luck…


  10. Up2snuff says:

    Anyone on here know how many Republicans have gone on the rampage so far this week? How many cities in the USA have had demonstrations, damage to persons and property, looting and arson?


  11. Guest Who says:


    I was thinking a montage like this of impartial broadcasters’ faces when hearing results they like vs. those they do not might be fun.


  12. Jeff says:

    In the last forty odd years I’ve only missed attending the Cenotaph on a couple of occasions. It’s a bright, clear autumnal morning, I’d love to be there. To pay respect to our fallen and to those that survived. Now, due to our hysterical over-reaction to the pan-panic, I’m forced, like millions of others, to watch it on the BBC.

    I’ve just seen the Queen laying a wreath to The Unknown Warrior. Hardly a soul about, but both she and the young soldiers (standing yards apart) were wearing masks. It’s too pathetic for words…

    Whitehall would normally be thronging. Ordinary people who actually want to be there. The great and the good only go because they have to. We mere mortals attend because we want to.

    With barely a whimper we’ve allowed our culture to be taken from us. Our way of life, our liberties and our traditions. I’m not by nature a conspiracy theorist, but this makes no sense and it hasn’t done for months. In Britain the buck stops with Boris, but it’s a much more dangerous and insidious infection than can be blamed on one inadequate little man.

    This cultural disease is now rife throughout the western world. We’ve had a clear picture painted in the last few days in the US.

    Undoubtedly this is a sadly iconic day. When we can’t even go to a memorial to pay respect to our war dead.

    Oh no, it’s far too dangerous. Stay safe. Wear your mask. Maintain two metres. Destroy your economy. Eviscerate your culture. Stay at home.
    You might catch a cold…


    • Up2snuff says:

      Jeff, no public but I see the barriers were put out in Whitehall. Why? That’s gotta cost!


    • Emmanuel Goldstein says:


      We should have got Rashford to tell Boris he should allow ordinary folk go to the Cenotaph.
      He’s already dancing to Rashford’s tune over handing out free food for future school holidays.

      I suppose Boris will tell us that the eu, allowing us to increase our fishing quota in our own waters, will be a good deal.
      He’s hopeless.
      Just gives in to all the lefties all the time because he thinks people will like him.

      If you have a Dad who gives his child tons of chocolate and sweets all the time he will be popular with the child until all the teeth go rotten and fall out.
      That’s Boris.


    • Banania says:

      Thank you for that wonderful comment.


  13. Up2snuff says:

    BBC WEB-SITE Watch #1 – interns again?

    Looks like the BBC are going to have another week of problems with a poor choice of BBC words. Apparently, Marcus Rashford is going to give £396 million towards feeding hungry children in the holidays. That is how it read at 8 a.m. this morning.

    I knew footballers were paid a lot but I didn’t think Rashford earned that much.

    It has now been corrected to a more meaningful: ‘PM calls Rashford to pledge £396 million for free meals’.

    Er, no. Still not right is it?

    How about ‘Prime Minister calls Rashford and pledges £396 million for free meals.’ ? There, fixed it for you BBC.


  14. pugnazious says:

    The BBC’s favourite racist poet complains, in a poem of course, that the Blacktivists are exploiting Black issues for their own enrichment …now that’s perfectly true….they are the new ‘slavers’ milking Black ‘suffering’…or what they tell us is black suffering….but Zephaniah goes one step further…like Muslim terrorists whom the BBC declares are not ‘Muslim’ he declares these Blacktivists aren’t black…they’re ‘coconuts’ or ‘uncle toms’…..no doubt the SPG will be round his house with the batons and warrant anytime now for his racist language…and the irony….isn’t he describing himself…the Establishment’s favourite radical poet trying to coin it in by writing a poem about Estabishment favourite radicals coining it in using race issues as their currency?


    The Race Industry

    The coconuts have got the jobs.
    The race industry is a growth industry.
    We despairing, they careering.
    We want more peace they want more police.
    The Uncle Toms are getting paid.
    The race industry is a growth industry.
    We say sisters and brothers don’t fear.
    They will do anything for the Mayor.
    The coconuts have got the jobs.
    The race industry is a growth industry.
    They’re looking for victims and poets to rent.
    They represent me without my consent.
    The Uncle Toms are getting paid.
    The race industry is a growth industry.
    In suits they dither in fear of anarchy.
    They take our sufferings and earn a salary.
    Steal our souls and make their documentaries.
    Inform daily on our community.
    Without Black suffering they’d have no jobs.
    Without our dead they’d have no office.
    Without our tears they’d have no drink.
    If they stopped sucking we could get justice.
    The coconuts are getting paid.
    Men, women and Brixton are being betrayed.’

    Such language from the BBC’s best beloved Bames is nothing new of course…Khan stated that any Bame cooperating with the police was an ‘Uncle Tom’ and the comedian Shazia Mirza denounced Bame politicians as coconuts…as she expressed support for a terrorist….

    ‘Oh, what a rotten bunch of coconuts’
    ‘I was awoken by the radio the other day: ‘Home Secretary Sajid Javid has decided to strip ISIS bride Shamima Begum of her British citizenship.’
    If there’s one thing you can depend on, it’s one of my lot to stab one of my lot in the back. He looks like all of our uncles: smiley, jolly, bald, maybe had one too many curries. The only difference is, this one has the soul of Enoch Powell.
    A coconut is a term used by brown people about other brown people if they are not seen to be helping the cause of brown people. It is a political term used about a dishonest, unethical, shameless servant of racists, the servant being from the same background as most of his victims.

    Famous coconuts include Oprah Winfrey and Kanye West. Oprah because a lot of black people feel that she made a lot of money listening to white women’s problems but didn’t do much to help the progress of black women, and Kanye West because he’s a Trump supporter who as we know doesn’t seem to warm to anyone a shade darker than himself.

    Some people think the term ‘coconut’ is brazenly racist. It could be, depending on the way that it’s used. When I refer to Sajid Javid as a coconut, I am not referring to his skin colour; I am referring to his lack of loyalties and patriotism towards a group of people from the same background.’

    Nah…she’s using it as a racist slur….and why is ‘people from the same background’ as a reference point any different to ‘skin colour’, any less prejudiced or divisive?


  15. Tabs says:

    I thought BBC Points of View was taken off air decades ago but I caught it just now channel hopping.

    The first 10 “members of public” who recorded their views were 50% black, mixed race, full body tattoos (on display) or drag queens. After that, it settled down to show mostly white old people but most viewers would have thrown a brick at the TV by then.


  16. Up2snuff says:

    BBC WEB-SITE Watch #2 – Thanks, but no thanks.

    “Read more from Nick” the BBC invites. Having just read Nick Bryant’s analysis of ‘US Election 2020: why Donald Trump lost’ I will politely decline. I found Bryant’s piece to be full of claims about President Trump without offering any evidence.

    Now, where have I heard a similar phrase recently?


    • Guest Who says:

      Interesting he is brought to the fore after his censure for TDS.

      But of course this is the broadcaster who still figure Bowen was the best candidate to oversee ME coverage.


  17. Doobster78 says:



  18. Doobster78 says:

    BBC happy with election result. Nothing to see here.

    BBC happy with 125% state turnouts

    BBC happy with dead people voting

    BBC happy with hundreds of thousands of ballotts appearing in the middle of the night all for one candidate , not one single vote for Trump from 300k

    BBC happy with election officials wearing vote Biden hats, sweaters, face masks etc

    BBC happy with poll observers not being allowed to inspect ballots even after court order obtained.

    BBC happy to turn a blind eye

    But, spent 4 years bashing Trump for Russia collusion with zero evidence, BBC spent 4 years investigating vote leave for irregularities, with zero evidence, BBC spent nearly one year bashing 80 seat majority Boris government at every opportunity.

    But remember folks, they are impartial and have no agenda !!!!



    • Roland Deschain says:

      Just suppose the allegations of cheating are legally proven and this awards the election to Trump. There would be only one result. Mass rioting and looting that would make what we saw before look like a mild case of fisticuffs.

      Would it be better not to look? Personally, I think the longer-term effects of openly accepting electoral fraud would be worse, but it’s not a promising outlook.

      One thing is obvious. The media doesn’t want to look. And doesn’t want you doing so either.


    • Guest Who says:

      BBC not holding power to account unless it suits.

      Fran, Timmeh! or any other market rate management cuckold tries to churn that one out ever again…


  19. SpinningReith says:

    Maxi? Gender reassignment?
    If not I’ll do it – all you need is two bricks…


  20. Synchronised says:

    Not Beeb but just listening to Mike Parry on talk radio. What a complete tool. Totally fallen into line with the rest of the MSM as regards US election.


    • Van Helsing says:


      Parry has always been [engages polite mode] a twerp. As an example of this, I tender the occasion when he told Talksport listeners that Billy Fiske, an American volunteer who flew with Fighter Command and was killed in the Battle of Britain, was ‘a dunderhead’.


  21. Woodenfish says:

    Dear friends and fellow-posters

    I’m sorry to inflict my personal problems on you, but I have to tell this to someone. I just woke up from a terrible nightmare, in which I dreamt that Andrew Marr was interviewing some government minister and trying to push the line that there was ill-feeling between Boris Johnson and Joe Biden, with the implication that the UK’s ridiculous Brexit would suffer as a result. Gripped by madness, I screamed out “You odious creep, Marr! You sickening cowardly little rat!” and — according to my wife — some other insults too dreadful to repeat. Fortunately, after a cup of tea and an aspirin I returned to my senses and realised that Andrew Marr is actually a superbly professional broadcaster whose only motivation is to tease out those tricky aspects of a political situation that ordinary BBC viewers are simply not intelligent enough to work out for themselves. So all’s well that ends well! Thanks so much, Andrew!


  22. Roland Deschain says:

    Will this appear on the BBC news?


    • Guest Who says:

      Interesting public relations technique.


    • WildWomanOfThe Woods says:

      Maybe as one of those amusing items at the end. The man in the hat veered suddenly and moved towards the police cordon wielding an offensive weapon, namely a set of bagpipes.


      • Guest Who says:

        If veering towards police gets that reaction then those salivating Antifa and BLM types are in for a treat.

        As ever, it is the reaction of the msm that is more telling.


      • Roland Deschain says:

        Careful now. That could be construed as hate speech in Scotland, even if said in the privacy of your own home.


  23. The General says:

    Don’t worry everyone, the world has become a better place and 2021 onwards will be a place of bountiful gifts, love equality and peace now that dear old Uncle Joe and the world’s favorite sweetheart the lovely Kamala Harris are going to be in charge.

    …..anyone for a Chinese ?

    Sorry that should read “…….everyone for a Chinese “.


  24. pugnazious says:

    Biden, the man who now declares he brings unity, peace, harmony, healing and cooperation and demands we don’t treat our opponents as enemies and we end the demonisation is the same man who stood on a platform denouncing Trump as a Nazi…directly comparing him to Hitler….whilst also whipping up the race wars with provocative and misleading images and film of police officers….

    Biden’s hypocrisy….


    Slate and other lefty media as well as the usual suspects such as AOC demand a reckoning and revenge on Trump supporters…that ‘Unity Project’ not getting off to a good start huh?…



  25. StewGreen says:

    Local radio 1 pm news There was some kind of large ruckus is Grantham yesterday 6pm involving men with guns
    it moved on to Lincoln in the evening where a number of arrests were made

    I wonder if the missing word is “travellers” ?

    Happened at Lincoln’s Grenfell tower
    “Shuttleworth House at about 11:15pm after a disturbance was spotted on CCTV.
    Seven males – aged between 14 and 28 – have been arrested.”


  26. StewGreen says:

    Local Radio charity news
    A local domestic violence charity is running an award to highlight positive male role models.
    Presumably to get men on the right path so domestic violence from men doesn’t happen in the first place.
    And to reduce male suicide.

    #ThankaMan2020 #InternationalMensDay 19th of November 2020.


  27. Roland Deschain says:

    Which pollster wrote that? Anyone seen it?


    • G says:

      I’ve been broadly assessing my own reliable news sources on the net and, unless DJT’s legal team pull a big conclusive fish out of the bag, their legal challenges may amount to no more than a number of legal skirmishes. It needs one big clout to set centre stage for the wholesale fraud that has been perpetrated but I suspect the communist conspiracy that has just taken place will be difficult to find bearing in mind that, whatever, Biden is a devious criminal and yet even then, all the deep state have rallied round to save him. What’s changed?


      • Roland Deschain says:

        I’d agree entirely. All the “could have”, “might have” reports on Twitter and elsewhere count for absolutely nothing. Statistically, most of them probably have perfectly reasonable explanations. It needs to be legally incontrovertible evidence or it’s a waste of time. If there is any, the media won’t tell us as they’ve already placed all their credibility (stop laughing at the back, now) in the “no evidence” box.

        What hope there is rests with the fact that Trump undoubtedly expected this and must have planned for it. If he didn’t, he isn’t worth saving.


        • Laughing at Lefties says:

          Well, we know for a fact that PA broke constitutional law by bypassing the legislature, so every single vote that was delivered to the counting stations after 8pm on election day WILL be disqualified by the supreme court. In fact, SCOTUS has already demanded that PA has to segregate every vote received after that time from the others. PA also ignored an earlier ruling from SCOTUS that they had to provide Trump campaign officials with meaningful observatory access to the counting, so unless SCOTUS – which has already signalled with this ruling that they will follow the law, and have a 6-3 republican majority with at least five of those considered unlikely to be pressured into the wrong move – is compromised somehow then Trump will succeed on this one. That’s the first step, since it wins Trump the state by several hundred thousand votes. Similar suits are being filed in WI and MI, so good chance they’ll go to Trump just because they stopped counting on Tuesday.

          The more difficult part will be proving fraud, but considering there’s hundreds of witnesses willing to testify under oath across these swing states AND there’s countless videos online showing ballots being destroyed, picked up in the dead of night, and electoral officials clearly breaking election law as well as boarding up windows with cardboard to stop people seeing the counting, the momentum is very much with Trump’s team. Public press conferences have been held in Georgia regarding this, former senators and DAs and all sorts including several democrats from the other swing states have all said they witnessed the same thing. There’s been over 3,000 arrests already in NV, which wouldn’t happen without probable cause. Intelligence officials have also publicly stated on Fox Business that the electronic counting machines used nationwide were compromised and in their opinion deliberately used to sway the election – one MI county alone had 6,000 Trump votes assigned to Biden. Provided that these people are not intimidated out of testiying – which is certainly possible, given how vitriolic the Democrats have OPENLY been as evidenced by AOC’s list of Trump allies to target once in government – this will be extremely compelling and, if not proving fraud, will almost certainly prove that the results are at the very least unreliable and require manual recounts for discrepency or to be thrown out altogether. That’s before even mentioning the rumours of Trump and CISA pre-empting this with sophisticated watermarks that would only exist on official ballots, which may or may not be true but seems highly plausible given his history of sounding the alarm on voter fraud – going back at least as far as 2012 when he tweeted the famous “it’s not he who votes, it’s he who counts the votes” quote.

          Finally, if all of that somehow fails then the legislature – which is also Republican-controlled – can simply step in and request that the house of representatives casts their ballots for Trump. The reason this matters is because the electors aren’t selected by every member of congress, but by one representing each state. Since even if the results stayed the same as now Trump would win a majority of the states, they can vote by a simple majority within 50 of casting all electoral votes to Trump. This would of course be a last resort, as it wouldn’t satisfy any party, but Mitch McConnell has already said it’s a possibility.

          Of course, judging by what’s already happening with peaceful Trump supporters being violently attacked by leftist thugs, and with AOC and people in the media not only still vilifying them but saying they should be targeted for their political beliefs, we may honestly be heading towards civil war. I hope that’s not the case, but if the system doesn’t provide justice then Trump voters – 70m+ of them this year – will feel atomised and justified to attack as a form of defence.

          Overall, I truly believe that Biden has more chance of going to prison than into the White House when all is said and done, and that Trump will get his second term.


          • Fedup2 says:

            Problem of course – is that if Mr Trump does retain the White House – what kind of government or country will he have for the next 4 years ?

            Also – as in the case of the criminal ‘floyd ‘ – it will irrationally spill over to here – as though it has anything to do – directly – with us ….


          • Roland Deschain says:

            I believe much of what you say may well be the case, but there’s a fair distance between hundreds of videos on the internet purporting to show wrongdoing and being able legally to prove that they do. Time will tell.

            Fedup’s point below about the kind of country Trump would be governing is something I’ve alluded to elsewhere on this thread. If he could prove Democrat fraud and wholesale media complicity I wonder if Trump would step down for the good of the country. He may consider his work in draining the swamp was complete.


            • Van Helsing says:

              Fed, Roland.

              IF Trump can prove that the Democrats rigged the election then he can’t simply walk away and allow Biden and Harris to take office. Wrongdoers cannot be seen to benefit from their actions.

              A better option would be for the election to be re-run in, say, June. That would give time for more robust election monitoring procedures to be put in place and, hopefully, for Covid-19 to be much less of a factor than it is at presently. Trump would meantime stay in the White House as a caretaker appointment.

              If a few hotheads get upset then so be it. They do not speak for the US electorate.


    • Fedup2 says:

      So they moved from ‘untrue ‘ to ‘disputed ‘..__


    • StewGreen says:

      God , I have never seen a “disputed claim” on Twitter
      FFS the path to the Truth involves testing many scenarios
      not Orwellian wrongthink control.


  28. StewGreen says:

    2am Swindon : police responding to a call complaining of 2 men arguing loudly shoot one of them dead.
    ..Then information vacuum
    Not a black guy, cos I don’t see any riots.


  29. Doobster78 says:



    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      Assuming she means what I think she means, Vice President Harris would not be “in the White House”, it is only the president who is the occupant of the White House. The vice president has his or her own office, at the Old Naval Observatory I believe.

      Of course, Ms Sturgeon might just be pre-empting what we all know, namely that Sleepy Joe won’t make it through his term. Then President Harris really will be in the White House. Nicola can’t wait.


    • G.W.F. says:

      I am offended by the reference to a woman in the White House.

      Kamala Harris is a person of colour who menstruates.


  30. Roland Deschain says:

    A very interesting article that may be of interest to many here.
    Wait Just a Minute! Some Very Good News May Be Coming

    Start with Pennsylvania. Biden, as of this writing, is at 290 electoral votes. Pennsylvania is 20.

    I read the Justice Alito opinion, and it is pretty clear that he wants the after election night at 8:00 P.M. votes separated for a reason. Biden is going to lose at the Supreme Court, and they know it. Four justices already said the Pennsylvania Supreme Court cannot adjust voting rules. A new arrival, Justice Barrett, says she is there to apply the rules in the Constitution. OK, wanna bet she does?

    Remove the after 8:00 P.M. ballots, and Biden loses Pennsylvania. Biden 270.


  31. Doobster78 says:

    Hey BBC , please ‘re read your own article , apply it to what we have seen in the USA and then still try and tell us there is nothing to see here !!!!!!!!!!!!

    This is quite amazing


    • Laughing at Lefties says:

      Down the memory hole, no doubt. Don’t forget, Nov 8th 2016 was the day of the previous US election that Trump of course won. They were setting the tone that it might not be legitimate, and have done so ever since, yet when Trump turns the tables there’s suddenly no evidence of vulnerability.

      Cognitive dissonence at its finest, but what’s really sad is that so many Brits are falling for it. I’m absolutely appalled at just how gullible so many are proving themselves to be on message boards.


      • Fedup2 says:

        Laughing -I use Parler as a news source in the way I used to look at Twitter – I have never engaged and never will – Twitter gets a view once a day maybe – but becoming very limited …..


        • Up2snuff says:

          There is a little bit of hard evidence of Democratic Party electoral fraud. The Democrats strong objections to President Trump pushing through the appointment of Amy C Barrett to the vacant seat on the Supreme Court. The Democratic Party objection was founded on the Republican majority that now exists on the Bench and the fact that they might have to rule on the US election.


    • JamesArthur says:

      That is hilarious. Can somebody send it to DT.
      It sums up what happened but BBC..no evidence….


  32. Fedup2 says:

    So im listening to the 5 live footy commentary- and hear the ‘news ‘

    “President Trump has been tweeted more unfounded allegations of voter fraud “…

    ….but how does the BBC know they are ‘ unfounded’? Allegations need to be investigated before declared ‘ unfounded’ .
    Whatever the outcome this level of overt bias and hostility doesnt do any thing for the BBC – which maybe is a good thing ..

    Back to vardey diving in box …


    • Laughing at Lefties says:

      They’re going to look incredibly stupid when Trump is proven correct. Literally hundreds of witnesses are now ready to testify from PA, GA and MI and arrests have been made in NV and AZ. This is not something the BBC can just wish away, even though in their supreme arrogance they’ll try until they have no choice but to face the music. Even then, they’ll spin it as a ‘mistake’ from the dems or otherwise turn it on Trump.


      • Roland Deschain says:

        Yes. They’ve hitched their wagon well and truly to the “no evidence” train and if Trump can start by reversing Pennsylvania, which looks to my untrained eye the least difficult to do, the narrative begins to crumble. At that point journalists with integrity, should any remain, may start to look inwards.


        • Up2snuff says:

          What the Republicans really need is for a Christian or three or four, preferably, who are registered Democratic Party voters and who were invited to take part in and had a role in voting fraud on behalf of their Party to be severely troubled in their conscience by the Holy Spirit and publically confess.

          Their testimony would sink China Joe.

          A Presidential Pardon would then make the President look good.


    • Van Helsing says:


      You’re spot on.

      No-one, especially not the morons at the BBC, can say that any allegation is unfounded or baseless unless and until said allegation has been investigated and, if need be, adjudicated upon.

      The BBC abandoned any notion of impartiality a long time ago. Accordingly, they are not reporters of fact, merely purveyors of opinion and should be viewed as such.


  33. StewGreen says:

    3pm R4 drama about a 1930’s Labour activist
    “It describes political and personal issues as Joan Craig, an activist in the trade union movement and Labour Party”


  34. Laughing at Lefties says:

    I forgot my password and didn’t use a real email address (formally Laughing at Lefty Trolls) so new account needed!

    Does anyone here use parler.com? It’s a social media site quite similar to Twitter except not run by Marxist authoritarians. There’s loads of good conservative profiles on there with large communities nearly unanimously supporting Trump and realising that Biden’s ‘win’ is a hoax that will soon be thrown out by the supreme court. Additionally, you need a secondary contact method for verification codes before each login, so it’s less prone to trolling accounts (although they do still exist).

    According to Devin Nunes, TWO MILLION (!) new registrations took place yesterday from people fed up with Twitter and Facebooks’ hypocritical and draconian censorship. The BBC will never report on anything like this, but it’s a great sign that people aren’t swallowing the MSM’s bullshit and are ready to battle for their freedoms.


    • G.W.F. says:

      Friends tell me Parler is OK and there are many joining. But joining is formidable and I gave up.
      People are shopping around and one emerging favourite is WIMKIN. Worth a look.


    • Roland Deschain says:

      I do, though infrequently. It’s app is incredibly clunky still – especially on my iPad where all posts are marked “undated” so I’ve no idea how old they are. (If anyone else finds that, I’d be interested to know.) And yes, the Captcha login process causes some folk huge problems when registering, for some reason.

      A lot I follow on Twitter went there at the same time I did, but now rarely post, so not much happens, however it’s a useful bolt hole, as Support Our Lefty found out when inexplicably turfed off Twitter.


    • StewGreen says:

      A group I follow moved to MEWE a new Facebook like thing which doesn’t apply Big Lefty Brother’s filters
      So the Bias Monitor team have a new account there.

      @GWF private msg me if you want me to create a Parler account for you the account would be linked to an email address I control.


  35. Guest Who says:

    BREAKING: BS ‘thinks’.


  36. Guest Who says:

    Doesn’t look like a racist.


    • G.W.F. says:

      Boris has rallied around Biden. Time to forget him


      • JamesArthur says:

        He has to…like they all do…because they are politicians…go with wind…and we all know it will be Biden Broadcasting Company as they attack Brexit


  37. Lucy Pevensey says:

    Planning the next virus.


  38. vlad says:

    These guys reckon it’s not over yet. Clutching at straws?

    At any rate they’re quite humorous about it all.


    • Guest Who says:

      One of the more significant differences between right and left.

      I would prefer to share a crisis with a person of the right vs. a free dinner party like the one that Jez hosted with a stoolie.


    • Van Helsing says:


      Not at all. They face an uphill fight, sure, but there seems to be just about enough evidence (that we know about) to suggest that they have a chance of establishing that irregularities in the voting and counting processes materially affected the outcome in key States.

      Ideally, they need to find a whistle-blower or something (an email trail, perhaps) that equates to a smoking gun.


  39. Guest Who says:

    Trouble in paradise?


  40. Guest Who says:

    So this is what Americans in the USA learn about here from their stringers.

    Just as we get… whatever it is the bbc does…


  41. Guest Who says:

    The BBC was reticent about Gordon’s Nokia too.

    “How did the president deal with defeat after four years in the White House?”

    But one is sure Hillary was pure grace.


  42. Guest Who says:

    W1A, burning the midnight oil in the Frankie Howerd US election debrief…

    “Guys… ok, job done. But we have been a teensiest bit obvious in how we did it. Who should be get in to ‘analyse’ from our version of the centre to look at least vaguely professional and impartial?”.



    “Done and done. He lives here anyway”.


  43. BRISSLES says:

    Regardless of news channels, all the questions asked are absolutely loaded in bias towards Biden. The media need to have a complete overhaul in lessons in impartiality.


  44. Roland Deschain says:

    A little light relief at the expense of the President allegedly elect.


  45. StewGreen says:

    All Creatures Great and Small
    Repeats start Wednesdays on 5-Select


  46. Guest Who says:

    bBc news

    The UK prime minister said he hopes the US president-elect will bring “global leadership” on climate change.

    You first, Joe.

    Then Boris.

    Then the BBC.

    How many bbc staff shuttled across the pond this last month?


    • Up2snuff says:

      Guest, there was a new BBC Washington correspondent, female, on The World this Weekend on R4 today. Or new to me, should I say, as I did not recognise her name.

      Perhaps Sopel and Naughtie are a bit tired and emotional after going out celebrating China Joe’s win?


  47. StewGreen says:

    11am Monday Radio4 , non-London and working class ?
    Nope, it’s about a campaign to stop an Ocado depot in Islington
    They won.


  48. Fedup2 says:

    Why would Ocado want to put a base in Islington ? On a par with putting a water plant near a river …..


  49. StewGreen says:

    Countryfile : “Dwane Fields the first black man to walk to the North Pole. He is our guest presenter speaking to war veterans”


  50. Guest Who says:

    She seems nice.

    Not Joy Behar or Whoppi nice, but still nice.