433 Responses to Start the week Thread 2 November 2020

  1. Sluff says:

    It’s kicking off in Vienna with another act of terrorism.
    Now we don’t yet know what has happened and who are the perpetrators.

    But just in case it is another Islamic Incident the BBC are taking out insurance by putting the story exactly next to a ‘Far Right’ story they have miraculously decided is a top priority.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54787028
    ‘Grey wolves – Far Right group to be banned in France’

    So in other words the banning of a group I’ve never even heard of in a foreign country is regarded by the BBC as equal to a mass shooting by terrorists.

    Truly appalling standards.

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    • vlad says:

      Sooner or later we probably really will have Far-Right militant groups. But why? Because the systematic censorship of moderate conservative views and discussions – say on islam and migration – will force the debate underground and push moderates into the arms of extremists.

      Then the BBC will say: See? We told you about fascists under the bed.

      No BBC, you CREATED them.

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      • Ian Rushlow says:

        As somebody once said: “If you don’t deal with reasonable people when you have the option, you’ll eventually be forced to deal with unreasonable people when you don’t.”

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  2. vlad says:

    More bias the BBC isn’t reporting.

    In America Facebook has banned election ads in the final week. Guess who that hits most? The majority of Republicans will vote in-person tomorrow, whereas the majority of Dems have already voted by mail or early voting.

    In his second term, President Trump might like to have a look at Section 230 which gives protection to social media companies. (And they know it, which is another reason they’re fighting Trump’s re-election tooth and nail.)

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    • StewGreen says:

      Biden might win
      but the establishment/media are setting themselves up
      The more they cheat , the bigger the backlash will be
      I mean in terms of Team Trump winning in Senate/Congress then 2024

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      • vlad says:

        If the Republicans lose 2020 they might never hold power again. The Dems will flood in migrants, give existing and new ones the vote (80% Dem), possibly create new States, gerrymander boundaries, pack the Supreme Court, etc.

        They’re openly discussing all of the above, and more.

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  3. Roland Deschain says:

    No, nothing sinister here.

    And how, exactly, do they propose to test everyone in Liverpool?

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    • AsISeeIt says:

      The logistics of this look unfeasible.
      First, the autorities would need to properly ID everyone in Liverpool.
      This in itself would be an immense clerical feat.
      How often do they test half a million people? Once a week? If not what’s the point?
      Do they make the testing compulsory?
      Say half a million population with just 1% non-compliance.
      5,000 jail new places?

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      • Ian Rushlow says:

        Ah, but if they tried to ID everyone then this would be discriminatory and racist against undocumented, vulnerable refugees who have Risked Their Lives To Escape War Zones And Persecution ™. Why aren’t the ‘uman rights lobby speaking out against this? Where are Surker and friends when they are really needed? C’mon BBC – get the campaign running.

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    • taffman says:

      “Covid-19: Liverpool to pilot city-wide coronavirus testing”
      Be warned, mass testing will push up positive results. Is this a deliberate attempt to create a false spike? More testing = more spikes.

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  4. Guest Who says:

    Is impartiality ever to be seen in the bbc studio again?

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  6. StewGreen says:

    @armenia_intel on Twitter

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  7. Guest Who says:

    Two Beeboids using twitter to communicate.

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    • Seppers says:

      There’s something really arrogant and smug about that.
      I want the old, professional, bbc back.

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  8. Rob in Cheshire says:

    I was watching Mastermind earlier. Yet another tranny contestant, together with a rather camp young man wearing black nail polish.

    It’s beginning to get a bit tedious. I watched Dr Who since the days of Patrick Troughton, but I finally had to give it up. I have been a fan of Mastermind since Magnus Magnusson, but I don’t think I can take much more.

    Also, in a question about Mikhail Kalashnikov, inventor of the AK47, Humphrys distinctly called him “her”. Are they trying to claim him for the trans lobby too? Maybe Stalin wore a frock and told Beria to call him Josephine?

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    • JohnC says:

      I have a similar thing with Ken Bruce now. Pop Master contestants are being selected because of sex regardless of whether they know anything. The last one I listened to had 2 females (which I suspect was to make sure they had a female winner for the ‘equality review’ later) and the score was 9 points to 6 and zero for the 3 in 10. Despite Ken clearly encouraging the fairer sex far, far more then he does the dirty males.
      I’m finally finished with the BBC. Though I did find Alex Lester on Planet Radio again !. He’s a complete luvvie but a nice chap.

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    • Seppers says:

      Only Connect is good. Straightforward, no obvious agenda.

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  9. lordelpus says:

    VLAD,how right you are about censoring or stopping discussions that the MSM does not like.Windows 10 on my laptop uses Microsoft News,which features the newspaper stories of the day.Up until 7 weeks ago all stories had a comments section.
    This option was stopped in mid September, and all Microsoft News say is there will be a new exciting chance to offer your views,but gives no date for this feature ret urning.

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    • JohnC says:

      Comments have been stopped everywhere now. Even the BBC only allow them on sport and Brexit/Virus topics when they can be sure Boris will get a panning.
      The Daily Telegraph have now put EVERYTHING behind a paywall !. Times must be hard since they went woke.

      Here’s a tip : click refresh on their page and click to stop the download as soon as it starts. You can read all their articles for free this way – but most are not worth bothering with. Far more interesting are the comments. But even they rarely allow comments on Trump, Feminism or their ‘new’ woke agendas now. We are slowly sinking into a left-wing fascist state.

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    • vlad says:

      I have heard of dozens of such cases from both individuals and semi-professional Bloggers and YouTubers. The technology companies are pulling out all the stops in the run-up to the election.

      Hopefully their day of reckoning is coming.

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  10. JohnC says:

    And another terrible terrorist incident at a synagogue in Vienna today. I cannot imagine the kind of hate inside some people in order to do it.
    But it seems that despite one attacker dead and many witnesses, nobody has any clue who did it. And we are getting strongly worded directives to people not to show any pictures or video of the victims on the internet. Because the terrorists would see where the police are apparently.
    A more cynical person than me might think they are trying to put a lid on the whole thing until it’s not so newsworthy and the impact of who did it is not so great. Though that same cynical person also knows that if it was thought in any way to be white people who did it, it would be plastered over the headline.

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  11. StewGreen says:

    The BBC’s 5 commercial channels on Freeview
    I hadn’t realised that all UKTV channels on Freeview are now 100% BBC owned
    So they are already running an archive based network with adverts
    Bringing in £100m/year revenue
    And putting out some brand new material as well
    like the lefty comedian panel shows.
    I can see that 1980s licence fee payers might feel they paid for licence fee to fund shows that are earning the BBC cash today.
    Though I wonder if the BBC has millions of real estate that means if licence payers were treated as shareholders they’d own part of that property.

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    • JohnC says:

      Makes sense now as to why so few of the classics ever get reruns on the BBC.
      The best channel of all was Granada. They really did make some good TV shows. Then it suddenly vanished and was replaced by some absolute tosh. I’m sure there is a story behind that one.

      Tip: DO NOT LOOK INTO THIS MANS EYES WHILE VIEWING. You will find you cannot look away and will be hypnotised. I think he blinks about twice in the full 6 minutes :-).

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  12. vlad says:

    Austrian minister says at least one ‘Islamist terrorist’ behind Vienna attack.

    Poor BBC, bang goes your hoped-for ‘Far Right terrorist’ narrative.

    Let’s see you spin this one.

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-austria-attack-idUKKBN27J0EL

    images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcRMCPPo1rYbv0TdM_1nuukIIkDDpehHCDr0jw&usqp=CAU

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  13. Scroblene says:

    Well done, Vlad!

    R5Dead didn’t mention the religion of hate once during the night!

    Of course, they wouldn’t, as they want to spend all day bashing President Trump.

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    • vlad says:

      Insh Allah, Orange Man will win, then we’ll have the pleasure of watching a BBC meltdown for the rest of the week… month… year.

      There ain’t enough popcorn in the world.

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      • Scroblene says:

        “There ain’t enough popcorn in the world.”

        Our last packet of the stuff for the microwave is well past its use-by date!

        Rather like the BBC, except the latter leaves a nasty taste in the mouth…

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  14. Foscari says:

    “Terror attack” “Islamic terrorists” the BBC will NEVER admit
    in a straight forward way what these followers of
    the religion of peace scum are. But should anyone expect
    anything different from the numero uno apologists media
    organization in the western world for this filth?

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  15. Fedup2 says:

    Nightmare spinning Vienna for the BBC

    Not a lone wolf – not a local man – not a mental issues – not a one off –
    Definitely Norwegian – definitely connected to France standing up to Islamic terrorism –

    So look away now – hasn’t Joe Biden got a lovely smile for a man of 77? Men with lovely smiles deserved to be president . …

    The Muslim ‘council ‘/ gang of Great Britain has produced a handy pro formae for use in terrorist attacks –

    It includes sections which can be deleted or amended such as

    ‘ we condemn Israel / America / UK/France
    ‘The jihadist action is understandable ‘
    We stand shoulder to shoulder with muslims ‘
    Right wing terrorism is evil
    Muslim terrorism is …. understandable
    We condemn / support ..( delete as applicable )

    As usual certain bbc pets who make a lot of noise go quiet when such evil takes place – but will pop up when some patriot takes the law into their own hands ….

    Now here’s carol with the weather – she’s going to talk to you like you are 6 years old ….

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    • andyjsnape says:

      Hi Fed, Time to get the candles out, and hold a vigel (2metres a part of course)

      The west is becoming the east 🙁

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    • Guest Who says:

      BBC Moaning Emole all smiling Joe.

      ***

      Presidential race comes to an end

      The most polarised US election campaign in decades has drawn to a close, with Donald Trump and Joe Biden taking part in their final rallies. Democrat challenger Mr Biden, alongside a few gorgeous, famous, rich, batsh*t faces, urged voters to “take back” democracy, adding: “We’re done with the tweets, the anger, the hate, the failure, the irresponsibility.” President Trump packed in a punishing last-minute tour of crucial states, repeatedly attacking his rival’s long record in politics. See, Joe good… Orange Man bad. Look back on a wild campaign in three bBC editted minutes.

      The stakes couldn’t be higher or the nation more divided, says our North America editor Jon Sopel. So job done. There’s unease across the country, he adds, with shops and offices boarded up ahead of the result and workers told not to come in for fear of social unrest. The result might not be known for several days – this is why – only adding to the tension, but here are three headlines you might be waking up to on Wednesday.

      Here’s how to follow election night across the BBC and what to look out for when you do. Finally, check out our simple guide for simple people to how the whole thing is rigged.

      ***
      Then, of course, something happened, but the bbc knows not what or why.

      ****

      Manhunt after shootings

      Police in Austria are still searching for at least one suspect after several gunmen opened fire at six different locations in the capital, Vienna, on Monday evening. Two people were killed and at least a dozen more wounded, some seriously. One suspect was shot dead by police and another arrested, officials said.

      Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz called it a “repulsive terror attack”. The shootings took place near Vienna’s central synagogue but it’s not yet clear if that was the target. Leaders across Europe were quick to condemn the incident. Austria had until now been spared the sort of attacks that have hit other countries in the region.

      ***

      And now, gorgeous celebrity Danny Dyer on why Boris is the Antichrist…

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      • Guest Who says:

        Cute. It will be interesting what passes and how, depending on who prevails and who not, thanks in no small part to the efforts of the bbc.

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        • Guest Who says:

          Tragic. But cynical?

          The image of what appear to be shells is odd.

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          • Guest Who says:

            BBC getting in with Dem attack points in complement just a few hours ago.

            ***
            More than 9m infected, and more than 200,000 dead across the US.

            Now, just before the presidential election, the country is seeing the largest outbreak of coronavirus by far. bbc.in/3jTrPqJ

            ***

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Guest – ta – but joey Biden has lovely teeth – wonder who they belong to?

        I’m trying to work out how the MSM will explain Biden losing ..
        ( should that occur )…here’s some thoughts

        Once again the polls were wrong
        America likes certainty and Trump delivers
        Democrats blamed for lawlessness making Biden the victim
        Lacklustre campaign in the bunker
        Questionable conduct AKA systematic corruption
        A stroppy Vice President candidate with a humour bypass
        Biden health – gaffs
        Rejection of beltway career politician
        Russians
        Russians
        Russians

        …. Trump losing ….

        Outspoken
        COVID
        Russians
        Chinese
        Yanks prefer Obama droids
        Biden has nice teeth
        There’s a coloured girl as VP
        Democrat fraud ( oops )

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        • Guest Who says:

          Their ability to salivate over polls they like and then switch to hurt confusion over post poll results they don’t is hilarious.

          It is clear they have used these to drive up the shares in plywood companies. Check the bbc pension investment list.

          Mentioning JoeGaffes is a possibility, but might draw attention to the fact they did not before.

          As to Kamala… who? Even the BBC seems to have twigged the merging of AOC and Elizabeth Warren into a shrieking insincere harpie is not proving a strong sell.

          Mehdi Hasan is advocating watching ‘Under Siege’ btw.

          Right wing terrorists. No cattle. Bubba’s roomie. What is not to like?

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          • Guest Who says:

            Mehdi gunning to get back on the bbc as an ‘analyst’?

            Nick and Anthony should worry.

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            • Guest Who says:

              MSNBC groupie.

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            • Fedup2 says:

              Guest – in my view putting up such tweets just encourages the likes of him and gives him ‘clicks ‘. I watched it . I wish I hadn’t – but it would have made me more likely to go vote for Trump than before ….

              I don’t know who he is and don’t wish to know

              This comment is me as me not as moderator ………

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              • Guest Who says:

                View noted. If you don’t know him that seems unusual for a BBBC mod. Knowledge is power.

                I think it might be good for those unaware of such folk to know what he spread to malign effect here via the BBC is now being passed on by the American MSM as a voice of reason. He wears a suit…. on studio air. On private messages he is less… palatable.

                Elizabeth Warren granted him a one hour interview.

                One assumes you will be joining the BBC in blanking out Vienna as much as possible to deny the PR execution team coverage?

                Me as me 🙂

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                • Guest Who says:

                  Another ex bbc frequent gob.

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                  • Guest Who says:

                    Sweeney! speaking for the continent.

                    Or… not…

                    I think such things need preserving for the future, lest they are afforded yet another crack.

                    All it takes is one…

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                  • Guest Who says:

                    Feel free to ban this in case it offends.

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                • Fedup2 says:

                  Guest – you obvious were offended by my comment . You seem to assume that a volunteer moderator should know the cast of the BBC .if you go back you will see me expounding my dilemma of doing the mod job but not really taking BBC product –

                  I don’t do toady or Newsnight or Marr or QT after decades of regular iewing . I only catch TV news to get evidence .

                  Knowledge is power – but I don’t want to develop a physical or mental illness taking BBC product now – it is alien and offensive to my very Right wing outlook … if mr trump wins I might try the States …

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                  • Up2snuff says:

                    Fed, I’ll carry your cases to the cart – that’s on the land-side in the USA, if you get me a Green Card or right to remain. 😉

                    Mind you, it might not be a very happy place for a few months.

                    God bless and save America.

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                  • Guest Who says:

                    Obviously to some.

                    Not to me.

                    I don’t get offended. Especially on blogs and forms and social media. Relentlessly chipper, I am.

                    I do however often have alternative opinions, and am happy to discuss them, or add additional information in their support if I think it worth pursuing in face of desires to… not do so.

                    Mostly pure fact, and example.

                    The BBC is relentless in using proxies, especially via ‘RT’ on twitter or RT and ‘quote’ or “quote” on Facebook and indeed editorial or live panel to get opinion or plain inaccuracy out there with faux degrees of separation deniability.

                    Hence it is as well to know their cast, past and/or present, when raising bias by the bbc.

                    I am hence happy to continue doing so.

                    Mehdi Hasan was a go to guy across bbc platforms for many years, as he worked down through MSM titles to near single number audience ones that still saw him invited on to offer impartial opinion on matters RoP, especially.

                    Along with Frankie he did go a bit far with a video series that was ‘unfortunate’ for a bbc brown eyed boy, and like Nish scooted off the USA to wow them there on shows like the one above, which I have never heard of.

                    He was mentioned on these pages recently when Warren used his platform to reach six more than her rallies manage. You might have missed that. He is now a US citizen, and it is interesting how that was achieved given his history. Ah, well, melting pot, diversity, and all that. Maybe Liz was a character witness or showed he was distantly related..

                    If one opts to ignore it, that is a strategy to maintain calm, but as ostriches may find, can be a short term one.

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        • The General says:

          Hard to see Biden losing, votes can be counted for three days after election and do not have to have post marks. Dems will have electoral rolls and can see who has not used their vote so thay can fill out ballots in those names and slip them into the collection boxes.

          What you don’t think Biden would do that ? ” CUM ON MAAAAN”

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  16. Fedup2 says:

    Hello Andy – I don’t need to hear the BBC say –

    Stories are emerging of –

    hero emergency services
    Punter saved by – locking door – not being there
    Hero medics in overwhelmed hospitals
    Queuing to give blood
    Crowd funding for victims
    The youngest / oldest victim
    This lovely dog survived …

    Anything to distract from Islamic organised attacks ..

    Now here’s frank gardner to pretend he has a clue …..

    And the weather from carol who is going to talk to you like you are 6 years old … this lovely picture of a sunrise has been sent in by Mohammed from Luton – thank you Mohammed ….

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  17. taffman says:

    Wait for it …..
    Al Beeb will come out with “what we know “

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    • Fedup2 says:

      … with a helpful interactive map of Vienna – just put in the postcode and see who got shot / stabbed ….

      Were the attacks planned – the suicide belts might be a clue – says our ‘security correspondent Gordon frank Gardner carera with some meaningless generalisations he just got off Twitter – notice he won’t say ‘Muslim ‘ or ‘Islam ‘ – just sticks to IS …..

      Now over to the Austrian embassy in London to a few hundred Muslims expressing solidarity with their terrorist brothers in Vienna ….notice plod doing nothing ….

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      • Guest Who says:

        The bbc and dots. Never their strong point unless it suits.

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    • Guest Who says:

      Seems they have created a Fall Editor position. Apparently.

      Not just for Autumn in the USA.

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  18. Scroblene says:

    Just searching for alternative news outlets and wanting to avoid the BBC, Sky etc, a sudden recall occurred in Scrobs’ mind…

    D’you remember when Labour won the GLC stuff back in the eighties? Mackintosh was labour leader, but only for a few nano-seconds, as the left nasties mounted a coup and we finished up with the nastiest ‘leader’, Livingstone.

    So, let’s assume that if Biden ‘wins’, then how many days will intercede before Kamilla Norris is jumped in to the White House? And as this is a very real scenario, will the BBC be on tap to start weeping with joy?

    Hmmm…

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Scrob- yes – I remember – the anti semite Marxist – paid off Macintosh by putting him the Lords – bought in a similar way that Baroness Chakrabati was ….
      After the report last week I still think we haven’t heard from her to explain herself …. maybe a second blessing from it will be a few less appearances on the BBC – but they still like their own …
      ……meanwhile her grandad is on his allotment in Islington sorting out the compost heap for the winter.. with a bit of luck he will get on it ….

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  19. Guest Who says:

    Jon: “And now over to Bandy for an Asian perspective…”

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  20. AsISeeIt says:

    Now we are like Prince Prospero’s decadent wealthy nobles in Mask of the Red Death, who shut themselves away in a castle in a doomed effort to avoid the plague, giving themselves up to revelry and indulgence (read Netflix and Ocado deliveries) but the cloaked stranger Death can never be excluded from the castle. Boris ought to read some Edgar Allan Poe. Or Thucydides on the plague of Athens, if the ancient classics are more his bag.

    This morning’s FT quotes the plaintive PM: ‘Under-fire Johnson insists winter lockdown is ‘”time limited”‘ – yeah, so was the first one.

    The words Netflix and Ocado even sound like some classical elitist vices. By the way: ‘Ocado raises profit forecast as Covid-19 restrictions send more shoppers online’ (FT)

    The Star has: ‘Brits flee abroad to beat lockdown’

    Since we’re on a literary binge let’s alight on the ‘i’ where we learn the crushingly inevitable – a black actress has been cast in a leading role in an adaptation of Philip Pullman’s classic: ‘Witch interview for new His Dark Materials. Jade Anouka’ – I guess the clue was in the title.

    The ‘i’ front page seems oddly positive in tone: ‘Covid hope: rapid test trial starts this week’

    Actor Johnny Depp might caution us on the danger of pinning all your hopes on a trial: ‘Shamed star… the end for Johnny Depp’ (Daily Express) ‘Depp’s career in tatters. Wife-beater faces ruin’ (Daily Star)

    Just me or does the ‘i’ front page pic of a some kind of an oral swab test slightly remind one of childhood and having a buttercup held under the chin whilst a playmate diagnosed by way of a yellow shadow whether one liked butter or not. Whisper it quietly but I hear results from our covid testing system are just about as reliable.

    The Mail delivers the BBC a broadside: ‘Earl Spencer: BBC’s vile slurs to entrap Diana’ The BBC is accused of a ‘whitewash’ and Martin Bashir of ‘yellow journalism’

    It so happens Prince Prospero’s masquerade ball had seven rooms, each decorated in a different colour.

    The Times seems to have adopted not yellow but distinctly beige journalism when it comes to its response to covid, going full fatalistic in tone: ‘Pandemic exhaustion. Why you’re tired. What to do about it. 20 things to do on your last days of freedom’

    The Telegraph opts for the scare quotes in their scary headline: ‘Gunmen “target synagogue” in terrorist attack on streets of Vienna’

    Returning to the crushingly inevitable, we note: ‘Headteachers and unions clash over keeping schools open’ (‘i’)

    And on the US Presidential Election, we’ll keep our powder dry until the result – which might just take a few more days.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Asiseeit
      You missed the story in the mail “scientists find that buttercup test is effective for liking butter “ …. professor Ferguson is arguing that the government should supply all schools with buttercups to carry out urgent tests …..SAGE disagrees … Labour calls education secretary ‘heartless ‘ for not supplying buttercups …..

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    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      If the Red Death had killed 0.4% of the population, I don’t think Prince Prospero would have been all that bothered about it.

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  21. vlad says:

    SOME FRIENDLY ADVICE TO ISLAMIC JIHADISTS

    Listen guys, if you really want to take over Europe, destroy what’s left of Christendom and extend the Caliphate to the four corners as instructed by your murderous medieval warlord, it’s really very easy.

    Just stop killing people!

    Instead, keep migrating to our shores as you’re already doing, legally or illegally; keep bringing over members of your infinitely extended families, villages, towns, entire regions; keep breeding faster than the native populations… and Bob’s your uncle.

    You’re almost there, guys. Our pusillanimous politicians won’t stop you, nor will our Border Farce – in fact they’ll help you over. Our police won’t stand in your way either – they’ll arrest objectors. The authorities will do all they can to facilitate the Great Replacement. Our media and our lying BBC will continue to cover for you.

    Ok, the odd Tommy Robinson might kick up a stink, but our boys in blue will deal with him as instructed by the Muslim Council. Soon he’ll be murdered anyway, or suicided in jail.

    See how easy it is?

    We’re on your side, guys. Keep using our openness, generosity and tolerance against us, and you’re right as rain. At current rates, a few more years and you’ll be an unstoppably large minority. You already are in many parts. A few years later and you’ll outnumber us.

    So make it easy on yourselves. Chill. Stop murdering Jews, Christians and unbelievers. Stop burning down synagogues, churches and cathedrals – oops, that was an accident, I forgot.

    Keep taking our dole, our welfare, our child benefits; and silence all objections with the magic words ‘Islamophobia’ and ‘racism’. They’ll shut down all opposition, and open all doors – a bit like Open Sesame!

    But listen: the beheadings and the terror thing doesn’t help your cause at all. It just annoys people, mildly, for a few days and turns public opinion against you. Politicians will spout a few meaningless platitudes about not dividing us; Church leaders will wring their hands and lie that ‘this has nothing to do with islam which is a religion of peace’; the BBC will invent new lies and excuses; and we’ll all have to listen to Kumbaya and Imagine. Do you realise how painful that is?

    So please, do us all a favour: just stop murdering us, and in a few short years you’ll have yourselves a shiny new Caliphate. Then you can start really having fun, like in Syria and Iraq. Obligatory Sharia; forced conversions; mass torture and murder of infidels; rape on an industrial scale – nice and young, the way you like them; beheadings, burning people in cages and throwing gays off tall buildings. Will the Shard do? it’s got a handy viewing gallery.

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    • JimS says:

      Without the whip the donkey sometimes forgets the carrot.

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      • vlad says:

        I think I understand your metaphor. The extremists are useful to keep the so-called ‘moderates’ on their toes and focused?

        It’s also quite useful in negotiations to have a bit of muscle on your side – the veiled threat of violence.

        “We’re moderates and WE don’t mind you publishing cartoons of mohammed, but some of those guys outside, they’re a rough bunch. Shame if your nice offices got burnt to the ground.”

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    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      They already own the Shard, along with most of central London, so I suppose it will do fine.

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    • The General says:

      But when they have taken over and the country is under their rule, they will revert to murdering and beheading factions within their own communities…..its what they do, its in their blood.

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  22. Fedup2 says:

    Tucker Carlson gave a great homily about Trump last night – it is on rumble via Twitter … and gives – perhaps – the most coherent reason why trump will win …

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  23. Doobster78 says:

    Woke up in bad mood today and a quick look at the BBC for news has made it so much worse !!

    Clearly the narrative is now set in BBC land.

    They are expecting trouble in the USA , but only if Trump loses !!! What utter bollox.

    If Trump does lose, i actually don’t think there will be violence, i really don’t.

    But we all know, as sure as eggs are eggs , if Trump wins, there will be no end of violence from the Left, you know, just like the last 6 months !!!!

    Any looting / rioting has been 99.9% from the Left but hey, the BBC are OK with that, its the right wing violence thats wrong !!!

    Can’t tell you how much they make my blood boil.

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  24. Doublethinker says:

    It looks as though the deep state has everything in place to declare Biden the winner regardless of the actual result. And so died democracy.
    They have clearly widely employed rigged voting but also have one of their infamous insurance policies in case this isn’t enough. That policy is to refuse to declare the result in some states until they can ‘find’ all the delayed or lost Biden votes. Will they get away with it ? Yes because they hold all the power and there is no one to hold them to account. That would once have been the job of the MSM but they are now all part of the globalist network. Some Trump supporters may protest but they will be ignored but if they persist they and their families punished .
    If Biden becomes President by whatever means we can forget our democratic past . Elections will become , at best , a contest between slightly different packages of the same globalist product. We can only hope that President Trump wins by such a large margin that even the insurance policy fails.He must then find a way of crushing the deep state which has so far resisted all his attempts to do so.

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    • Old Goat says:

      I don’t think that the Democrats have anything to be confident about. I have a feeling in my water, that the POTUS will do better than anyone anticipates. Yes the Dems will squeal, for a while, but in the end, four more years of trump are on the cards.

      If I’m wrong, I’ll just shut up!

         16 likes

      • Doublethinker says:

        I hope that your water is 100% right and that my fears turn out to be 100% wrong.

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    • The General says:

      If Trump wins but Dems get control of the House and Senate, they will start impeachment straight away and this time get it through. As we have we have seen in the Kavanaugh enquiry, Trump Impeachment and Coney Barrett fiasco, they would not require any tangible evidence just a majority in both Houses.

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      • Doublethinker says:

        Yes that is a good point. But hopefully the republicans will be able to hold the senate. What a state the Globalists are creating in the US in order to protect their wealth. I know the MSM churn out anti Trump muck 24/7 and pro Globalist crap but you have either got to be a beneficiary of globalisation , eg work for big tech in any capacity , or extremely stupid , not to agree that the best interests of ordinary Americans lies with president Trump. I fervently hope that the optimists on this site are right about Trump winning , with a secure republican senate of course, and the fearful pessimists like me are wrong.

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      • Dobyns says:

        The General

        The US Constitution requires a two-thirds vote of the Senate to convict, not just a simple majority

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  25. Up2snuff says:

    At the weekend, yesterday and today I notice that President Trump is pictured campaigning, wearing no mask but wearing thick leather gloves. Now, he might be feeling the cold and they have had – despite all that CO2 & its claimed Global Warming – an early start to winter in parts of the US.

    But I cannot help but wonder if the President has been warned about possible contact contamination with Covid Mk2 or 3 or something worse like a Novichok, perhaps?

       11 likes

    • Old Goat says:

      I think it was just the cold – he’s done so many rallies recently – the warmer places didn’t require their use, the colder venues did. Just looking at how the crowds were dressed, is a good indicator.

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  26. vlad says:

    The BBC Breakfast show has just finished their biased report on the US election. They tell us they had intended to wrap up with 2 views, one Democrat and one Republican. But unfortunately they couldn’t get the Republican on, “we don’t know why, just couldn’t get her”. OH HOW VERY CONVENIENT!!

    So we’re left with the Democrat who lies, unchallenged, that it’s Trump who’s trying to steal the vote, Trump who’s been fanning the flames of violence, and the zinger: “we’ll have to rely on the media to tell the truth about the election results.”

    !!!

    The same media who’s been breathtakingly, systematically, biased, partisan and mendacious!!

    I’ll try to get the clip up. UNBELIEVABLE.

       40 likes

    • Emmanuel Goldstein says:

      Vlad.
      Is that radio newcastle.
      They had the democrat supporter on who was voting democrat because Biden is “not Trump”

      They said they would have the Republican voter on later.

      I didn’t hear any Trump supporter but they did have someone on who said that Biden would win and if the Republicans had someone other thanTrump they could win.
      I think that was their version of the ‘other side’ view (the Republican side)

      I suppose that’s the bbbc equivalent of impartial just like the QT panels where all 5 impartially support Biden and hate Trump.

      That’s the bbbc’s ‘largely’ about right impartiality for all to enjoy.

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  27. Guest Who says:

    OT, but Grampy Pot Banger just hit ‘send’ on the pol platitude keyboard. Too much to hope any from Boris to ‘down on your knees’ Keir can manage better?

    “My thoughts are with the victims, their families and all those affected by the horrific attacks in Vienna.

    We stand united with the people of Vienna and together against hatred and fear.“

    These platitudinous insincere templates are worse than respectful silence.

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    • Van Helsing says:

      Guest,

      You have to feel sorry for the politcos and their metro-left acolytes, as the option to sing ‘Kumbaya’ in circumstances such as this no longer exists. It might cause upset to a certain section of the populace and force them to commit further mostly peaceful acts involving guns, knives and explosives, y’see.

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  28. digg says:

    So now we know what level of atrocity it takes before the BBC, Guardian and Independent deign to mention the brutality going on by the barbarians in Europe.

    They need a multiple body count before it’s worthy of front page news it seems.

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  29. Up2snuff says:

    BBC WEB-SITE Watch #1 – Auntie BBC’s dementia and amnesia has really kicked in again.

    On the Home Page of the BBC w/s, the US Presidential Election is described as ‘US to vote in most divisive contest in decades’.* The BBC have obviously forgotten – completely – all that they said about George W. Bush. Now remind me, demented BBC, in which century was ‘W’ the US President?

    It really is time to shuffle Auntie off the the Care Home or the Hospice.

    * Interestingly, the BBC drop the calumny for the article header: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54791113

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  30. JimS says:

    I accidently caught the end of Rob Newman’s Half-full Philosophy Hour – Episode 4 – “Rob dices with death on the school run, sets up a Slow Travel rail franchise, and offers a bonanza of future-proofing pollution solutions.”

    Someone that I have never heard of being given four hours to present an un-challenged personal ‘lefty’ rant under a thin veneer of ‘comedy’.

    It was hard to tell at times what was supposed to be ‘facts and what was supposed to be ‘jokes’, indeed it was quite ‘Trumpian’ in style!

    Not only that put a lot of it was really longing for a return to ‘the old days’, something that the stupid, thick Brexiteers are always accused of!

    The whole thing was full of contradictions, the streets had to be taken away from ‘the powerful’, i.e. male car drivers – presumably by the more powerful state? I don’t know where he lives but female car drivers are hardly rare, particulary during the ‘school run’, when he wants no road traffic at all. This is to protect children from pre-historic plankton, released when petrol and diesel are burnt!

    Generally he wants a slower, spaced out lifestyle. To do that women will have to get back in the kitchen and we need to lose 35 million people – but he daren’t say that as that wouldn’t be ‘PC’, (not politically correct because that is a pejorative now)!

       13 likes

    • Up2snuff says:

      Jim, I heard the end of that rubbish while waiting for the Goon Show to come on R4E. On the one hand the endless propaganda is wearing. On the other, maybe it is good that the BBC has signed up heart mind and soul to that new AGW & CC Religion because it will just act as a turn off to the more sensible, thinking, elements among the BBC’s viewing and listening public.

      If you listened to the whole thing – brave! – was Rob Newman at all funny? Did he make you laugh with a good joke or pun? I guess the audience laughed either out of politeness or out of a BBC engineers’ digital file.

         9 likes

      • JimS says:

        Imagine a world where there is hardly any road traffic, where people walk to the shops to buy food produced locally and children don’t have to fight past 4x4s to get into school!

        What this numpty is describing, but doesn’t realise it, is pre-mass immigration, pre-female liberation, 1950s Britain!

        He should have asked Polly Toynbee about it, now that would be comedy!

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        • Seppers says:

          I’m generally angry at the bbc, and the woke agenda, but wishing for civilised living environments – in today’s world – seems sensible to me.
          I agree that unsustainable immigration levels cause problems, but why should one section of society (females) have remained unequal?

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  31. vlad says:

    Here’s the clip of the BBC Breakfast show, where, oh dear, they couldn’t get the Republican voice to balance the lying Democrat.

    Yes, accidents do happen, but after watching a lot of media and social media coverage of the election, I’m now highly suspicious – especially of the lying BBC.

    The relevant segment starts at 2:56:45.

    The presenter’s intro sounds clumsy too: “we’re going to try to speak to someone who represents both sides of the debate”.

    Eh? Is that 1 person or 2? In the event it’s just one, and guess which one?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000p4hb/breakfast-03112020

       13 likes

  32. Up2snuff says:

    BBC WEB-SITE Watch #2 – Don’t let it slip, BBC, Eric Morecambe-stylee: “Under your chin!”

    The BBC have a wonderful photo as the taster to the US Election and a bit of, I guess, pro-Biden propaganda. It is best viewed on the Home Page as it somewhat isolated and concentrates the gaze. Also available here until the BBC realise what they have done: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-54766741

    The interviewee’s facemask is worn incorrectly, not covering the nose, while the BBC’s interviewer, Daniel Rosney, is wearing his facemask (a D-i-Y shop one) upside down.

    By the way, do the BBC have a political editor for every channel and station and department? And an Environment Editor? And a Diversity Editor? And more Editors besides? No wonder the Licence Fee is extortionate.

    Rosney is Newsbeats Political Editor.

    Nothing like an extra CO2 creating jolly for a Beeboid.

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  33. Fedup2 says:

    The Guardian having to be a bit factual –

    ‘The victims were “an elderly man an elderly woman, a young male passerby and a waitress”, according to Austria’s chancellor, Sebastian Kurz. He praised as “brave” a police officer who was shot in the attack, who remains in a critical but stable condition.

    The interior minister, Karl Nehammer, said the suspect, who was shot dead by police nine minutes into the attack, was a 20-year-old man of North Macedonian origin who had been convicted last year for membership of Isis after being arrested on his way to Syria to join the group. The man, who also possessed an Austrian passport, was released early from a 22-month prison sentence in December.

    Nehammer said he had been armed with an automatic rifle and a hand gun, as well as a machete, and that he had been wearing a fake suicide vest.

    Vienna’s hospital service said seven people remained in a life-threatening condition. In total, 17 people were being treated in hospitals, with gunshot wounds but also cuts from stabbing.

    “We experienced an attack last night by at least one Islamist terrorist,” Nehammer told reporters. Authorities were still trying to determine whether further attackers may be on the run, he added.’

    Ends ….

       9 likes

    • G says:

      Fed,

      “….man of North Macedonian”. I bet the Russians will be having a chuckle. Didn’t they spend a lot of time fighting muslims in the Balkans? A nightmare for them as I recall. But there, the 33.3% muslim population of Macedonia is the EU’s headache now.

         11 likes

      • Rob in Cheshire says:

        G:

        No, the Russians were fighting muslims in the Caucasus, not the Balkans.

        Isn’t it odd, that wherever you have the Religion of Peace, war inevitably follows? There must be a reason for it, but I just can’t think what it might be.

           17 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      Graun have a huge media dept., don’t they?

      Which the BBC always picks up on, doesn’t it?

      https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/bulletins/content-sanctions-adjudications/decision-islam-channel-limited?

      But both probably looking for errant bacon deployment by right wing terrorists currently.

         5 likes

      • StewGreen says:

        £20K fine imposed on Islam Channel for “antisemitic hate speech and highly offensive content”
        Only MSM journo to tweet about this is the guy from the Economist.

        Context from Guido
        “Corbyn was 2019 Keynote Speaker at Islam Channel After it Was Censured Over Antisemitism & Advocating Marital-Rape”

        El5ai9yWkAIeDj3?format=jpg&name=small

        Twitter had news on Oct 6th I this the same channel ?
        “YouTube removes Louis Farrakhan’s Nation of Islam channel “

           7 likes

        • StewGreen says:

          BTW On Nov1
          The channel aired TariqRamadan as if he is a normal guy on the street not a man who is awaiting prosecution on 5 rape counts
          He claims to be pious and says the women consented.

             3 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      North Macedonian = Kosovan probably

         2 likes

  34. G says:

    All gone relatively quiet on the Rochdale (et al) ‘Comfort Women’ i.e. sex slaves front. Got me thinking about the Japanese during WW2. They also took sex slaves – particularly in Korea having overwhelmed the country.

    So it’s no wonder that triumphant muslims in the UK need to take sex slaves. It’s a historic thing you must understand. Mohammed did it and advocated the practice. But for Britain it is somewhat preemptive as the muslims have not taken complete control – yet……….

       18 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      @G I have some notes I haven’t typed in yet
      from the Andrew Norfolk Oct 24th Times article
      Child abuse inquiry ‘scared of racist tag’
      https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/child-abuse-inquiry-scared-of-racist-tag-nh2zcctwq

      Baroness Jay now in charge of the Child Sex Inquiry
      has specifically EXCLUDED known grooming/gang towns from the inquiry.
      She say’s I did the Rotherham report, we know about these towns, but that is the past.
      Instead she ordered investigation in 6 other towns, to examine if their procedures have learnt from Rotherham.
      (Those towns are not Pakistani dominated)

      Main Survivor spokeswoman Sammy Woodhouse was quoted

      “have not placed survivors at the forefront” and are “selective in what they decide to look at”.
      She added: “If you are going to get to the root of gang-related child sexual exploitation you need to go right to the heart of it.
      … They are trying to bury what happened in places like Rotherham and Rochdale
      because they’re scared of being called racist.”

      Other quotes backed this view
      The quotes from Sarah Champion, the campaigning Rotherham MP

      Nazir Afzal the rape gang prosecutor
      described the IICSA’s conduct of the investigation as “a nonsense”.

      Maggie Oliver : “too frightened to open the hornet’s nest”

         14 likes

      • StewGreen says:

        The article is followed by a Times opinion piece
        What all those past grooming scandals had in common was that they involved men of south Asian, and in particular Pakistani, heritage. The inquiry would have been the first opportunity to investigate possible linkages across the country.

        Indeed it is hard to avoid the conclusion that this is precisely why the inquiry chose not to investigate.
        It appears to have shown a timidity when confronted with crimes committed by predominantly Muslim gangs that it did not show when shining a torch on the failings of the Catholic and Anglican churches.
        This timidity not only fails the victims of past abuse who are denied their chance to tell their stories but raises the possibility that important lessons will not be learnt.
        In this respect, the inquiry risks failing future victims too.

        https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-times-view-on-the-independent-inquiry-into-child-sexual-abuse-too-timid-vf5p3rjmx

           11 likes

        • StewGreen says:

          Note that the Times used that phrase
          “crimes committed by predominantly Muslim gangs”
          ..I can’t imagine the BBC daring to write the same.

          Reader comments
          “Perhaps poor often vulnerable (e.g.fostered or in care homes) white girls groomed and abused for years don’t count as much as public school boys (in the main) abused by monks & priests”

          “Labour is taking the moral high ground about the tories denying free school meals to supposedly starving kids but has been complicit in the industrial scale rape & abuse of thousands of children in its heartlands.”

          “Nobody is (publically) willing to acknowledge that these offences were based on religion, not race.”

          “Institutional Racism in favour of BAME/Muslims ”

          People complained that malicious people were flagging up comments and getting them banned
          but that after time The Times had put them back.
          The Guardian is a victim of that but it usually doesn’t put comments back, only onside ones.

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    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      If you were to go to some parts of Rochdale and other northern towns, you would think you were already in an islamic state. It is no surprise that these scum decided to treat dhimmis the way islam always treats them, whenever they have the whip hand.

         19 likes

      • BRISSLES says:

        Speaking of whip hand. Remember Enoch ? here is part of his speech made in 1968 which still resonates today………..

        “In the speech Powell recounted a conversation with one of his constituents, a middle-aged working man, a few weeks earlier. Powell said that the man told him: “If I had the money to go, I wouldn’t stay in this country… I have three children, all of them been through grammar school and two of them married now, with family. I shan’t be satisfied till I have seen them all settled overseas.” The man finished by saying to Powell: “In this country in 15 or 20 years’ time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man”.[6]

        Powell went on:

        Here is a decent, ordinary fellow Englishman, who in broad daylight in my own town says to me, his Member of Parliament, that the country will not be worth living in for his children. I simply do not have the right to shrug my shoulders and think about something else. What he is saying, thousands and hundreds of thousands are saying and thinking – not throughout Great Britain, perhaps, but in the areas that are already undergoing the total transformation to which there is no parallel in a thousand years of English history. We must be mad, literally mad, as a nation to be permitting the annual inflow of some 50,000 dependents, who are for the most part the material of the future growth of the immigrant descended population. It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre. So insane are we that we actually permit unmarried persons to immigrate for the purpose of founding a family with spouses and fiancées whom they have never seen.”

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        • Rob in Cheshire says:

          Enoch was right, but I imagine he would be amazed that the figure these days is more like 500,000 per annum than 50,000.

          The pathetic so-called Conservative government conned us into thinking they were actually trying to keep immigration below 100,000 pa, as if they were doing us a favour. They never did, and now Boris the Bottler has even abandoned that worthless pledge. Perhaps we should be grateful for some honesty from him at last, it’s rare enough after all.

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  35. Jeff says:

    I honestly can’t understand why anyone on this site (other than for investigative purposes) is still continuing with BBC radio.
    I’ve been listening to Talk Radio and have to say Julia Hartley Brewer has been on fire this morning.

    As you’re probably aware JHB is passionately opposed to any further lockdowns. Three, fairly eminent, Tory MPs were brought on to defend the government’s position on imprisoning the population for, at least, another month. She made mincemeat of them.

    Two of them, Andrea Leadsome and Peter Bone, I used to have some respect for, but, ye gods they were pathetic. When asked if he’d vote against the government, after making all the right noises of resistance, all Bone could come out with was “I’ll have to think about it nearer the time.” Okay, so with an opposition that actually supports even more draconian lockdowns, no rebellion can possibly win. But Bone was even reluctant to offer any resistance. You’d love to be in the trenches with someone like this.

    Robert Jenrick I don’t have much time for anyway. He always comes across as being slippery and insincere. His demeanour suggests an oily estate agent. “An upmarket, rather snug one bedroom abode in an aspiring part of the capital”…turns out to be an old garage in Lewisham. He was was clearly out of his depth, stammering and constantly referring to the debunked graphs and figures that were comprehensively dismantled within hours of Boris’s weekend debacle.

    What a bloody shambles…

       24 likes

    • G says:

      Jeff,

      I listened to the interview on Toady earlier with Jenrick. He stated that the full Liverpool testing plan was, “exiting”. Get a life!

         7 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      JHB’s key point was the projection used were BS
      “They showed us a graph projecting up to 4,000 deaths/day
      but never mentioned that that model wrongly predicted that we should be having 1,000 death/day”
      (the actual 7 day average is about 200)
      “That model is clearly out of date, will you still be voting yes even though the government hasn’t shown you the new evidence ?”
      ..and they both said “yes”

         11 likes

  36. Fedup2 says:

    Not BBC
    The emir of Londonistan has announced that city hall is to move to the Islamic republic of tower hamlets – his spiritual home – next year l
    So far he has been too bust counting murdered Londoners to say anything about Islamic terrorism in Vienna but I think we can guess where his ‘thoughts and prayers ‘ will be going ….

    Ironically it seems that the current city hall is leased from some Kuwaiti mafia family …sorry ‘business enterprise ‘ …

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  37. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    When today’s numbers come out, prior to the lockdown vote, what’s the betting they will show a big increase in cases and deaths (with covid involved)

    Yesterday’s quite low numbers suggest a saving up of cases/deaths so that MPs can be frightened into voting for the lockdown when a ‘big increase’ suddenly happens today.

    By the way, if Anne Boleyn was black, as per the tv, that must mean Queen Elizabeth the first was a darkie.

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  38. StewGreen says:

    2:15pm Radio4 Drama
    Following the assassination of Martin Luther King, Harriet Glickman writes to Charles M Schultz the ‘Peanuts’ cartoon guy,
    about the possible inclusion of a ‘Negro character’ in the strip. ‘
    He finds it appealing, but morally troubling..
    Based on a true story.

    Soon after, Franklin was introduced

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  39. Doobster78 says:

    The fact we have got to US Election Day and Trump is in with a decent shout is a miracle.

    If the BBC and the whole of the MSM had their way, if their relentless and frankly disgusting bias was swallowed up by everyone and not just brain dead Lefties, then Biden should be 1/1000 in the bookies.

    The fact he is only 4/9 and Trump 7/4 shows that despite all the polls and the BBC already celebrating, its far from over.

    The barage Trump has had to deal with for 4 years, 99% of the media 100% against him, the lies, the russia hoax, the impeachment and here he is, with a decent chance shows the metal of the man and also to me, shows that lots more folk are seeing thru this disgusting propaganda that the media is peddling.

    4 more years of Trump, yes please, 4 more years of Sopel Zurcher, Maitliss crying, even more so please.

    Come on the Donald. Please.

       22 likes

    • Laughing at Lefty Trolls says:

      Poll released by Trafalgar yesterday has Trump leading in Nevada for the first time. He’s maintaining his leads everywhere else. Unfortunately, the Dems are trying their best to fix Pennsylvania and Florida with extended counting deadlines and closing polling stations supposedly due to electors having COVID respectively, but Trump’s enthusiasm rating is over 80% compared to just roughly 55% for Biden so it’s unlikely to have any effect. We can only hope and literally pray at this stage, but there’s no question that Trump has all the momentum at the right time – and the BBC is on course for another embarrassment if the voters come through.

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  40. tarien says:

    Data used to justify England’s second national lockdown is ‘proven’ to be false, Prof Carl Heneghan claims
    The modelling, which was presented at a Downing Street press conference on Saturday is so outdated that it suggests daily deaths are now around 1,000 a day.
    In fact, the daily average for the last week is 260, with a figure of 162 on Saturday.
    Prof Heneghan told the Today programme: “Mathematically it is now proven to be incorrect particularly the 4,000 estimate of deaths that would occur in December and why that is because it is already about four weeks out of date.
    I have listened to this Prof Heneghan on this very subject-a most interesting man with a clear view on this present Lockdown issue.
    He has urged Whitty and Valance to provide really clear information to MPs to explain why a second lockdown has been ordered, when they appear in front of the Science and Technology Committee this afternoon.
    I am sure like many of you good people find, what Prof Heneghan has indicated extremely concerning as well as confusing. We might well ask why such scientific information as offered to the government has been so wide of the mark, and subsequently disaterous to induce what appers an unnecessary lockdown.

       19 likes

    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      Tarien:

      Boris is reminding me of one of those confused pensioners who keep getting ripped off by pikey gangs.

      They came in the spring, and told him his roof needed mending. Pay in cash please sor, and we’ll take you to the building society to draw the money out, no problem.

      Now they have waited till the autumn, and they are back, only this time it’s his drive which needs doing. They keep lists of suckers, and bleed them dry.

      Boris is obviously on the SAGE/Imperial College suckers’ list. He falls for it every bloody time. Whether it’s because he had Covid, or has a new baby in the house, or both, BoJo has lost his Mojo. He looks like someone who has been taken hostage. I expect him to appear in public holding a copy of today’s newspaper to prove he is alive.

      I have never seen anyone decline as quickly and totally as Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson. The fun loving Brexiteer of only nine months ago is a cowering wimp who is ruled by a scientific cabal who don’t care a fig about freedom or the economy.

      Don’t even get me started on Brexit! If he messes that up too, he needs to go.

         22 likes

  41. Laughing at Lefty Trolls says:

    I don’t know about anyone else, but this is the longest day of my life. It was nerve-shredding four years ago, but I think it’s worse this time around because we didn’t know at that stage if Trump would actually deliver. Now that he has, and has done so much to support democracy and peace around the world as well as doing so much for all Americans of all races and genders, it would be an absolute heartbreaker if his work is flushed away for a man with a history of racism, inappropriate touching of underage girls and corruption – all things the left accuses Trump of doing, without evidence of course – and who clearly has early-onset dementia and shouldn’t be running in the first place. He’s a Manchurian candidate for Kamala Harris, who isn’t even popular with Democrats hence why she was weeded out of the primaries early on. Meanwhile, Trump exhudes optimism and his rallies – both organised and spontaneous – are full of hope and enthusiasm, which is desperately needed during the pandemic.

    I will be glad when the result is finally known, whichever way it goes, just so I can stop ruminating. But I don’t think I’ve ever wanted anything more than Trump’s re-election in my life, aside from Brexit – and the two are now absolutely intertwined. As Obama said four years ago after the election to reassure Democrats, “the sun will rise in the morning” one way or another, but it’s not going to feel like it if Harris wins. I’m confident that the American people will come through, because they know it’s no longer just about them. The world needs Trump right now.

       33 likes

    • vlad says:

      100% agree.

         17 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      Laughing –
      Im a bit ahead of GMT in my secret off shore location which means i might get the results ahead of you . …..
      But my dilemma is whether to stay up … knowing a landslide wont come through until the tiny hours of wednesday …like 0500 gmt or later

      My nerves will be shot rendering a potential victim of cheap champagne and thus passing out . …
      I also worry about naughty stuff being put on here – the especially by the moderator ….

      Have we had any muslim attacks in the last couple of hours – im losing count…?

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  42. vlad says:

    Nice to see Trump denouncing islamic terror.

    “The U.S. stands with Austria, France, and all of Europe in the fight against terrorists, including radical Islamic terrorists.”

    Contrast that with his muslim predecessor who couldn’t even put the words islam and terror in the same sentence, and made idiotic statements about it being the least terrorist religion.

    Please Allah, FOUR MORE YEARS.

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-austria-attack-idUKKBN27J0EL

       25 likes

  43. vlad says:

    It’s started already: the prevarications, obfuscations, equivocations, evasions and downright lies about the terror attack in Vienna.

    The BBC quote the Chancellor’s statement that the attack was driven by “hatred of our way of life, our democracy”.

    Now I’m not convinced that the killers were enraged by Vienna schnitzels and concert cafés playing waltzes, or how the Austrians elect their leaders.

    I think you’ll find it has more to do with a religion hell-bent on world domination by violent means, as clearly spelt out in its war manual by its founder, and dutifully carried out over the centuries since.

    He went on to declare that the nation was engaged “not in a battle between Christians and Muslims, he stressed, but “between civilisation and barbarism”.

    I would suggest that the two propositions in that dichotomy are not mutually exclusive. Both can be true.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54788613

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  44. theleftwilleatitself says:

    The betting for the winning party in the US presidential election closed with my bookies at 13:00 with the Democrats 8/13 and the Republicans 11/8 🇺🇸
    Both parties odds shortened overnight 👍🏻

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  45. KafirHarbi says:

    Dear God, I don’t do the BBC any more, but I had the misfortune to overhear the lunchtime News.

    Frank Gardner on the Islamic terrorist atrocity in Vienna: “There is one glimmer of hope – with all the impending lockdowns across Europe – there will be fewer people on the streets to act as targets for these terrorists.”

    Only – as we have been saying – on the BBC. Where do you start with that one?

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  46. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Hold the front page.

    On bbbc newcastle this morning they had an item about a marriage going ahead just before the latest lockdown letting us know how they were getting it all organised.

    Not very newsworthy you are thinking?

    Well, this couple getting married were A MAN TO A WOMAN.
    I could hardly believe my ears but it’s true.

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    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      “Well, this couple getting married were A MAN TO A WOMAN.”

      Is that even allowed? The dirty perverts.

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  47. digg says:

    The BBC are pulling out all the stops to get as many black people to vote against Trump in the final hours as possible.

    Two articles on the website homepage.

    1.Election 2020: How big is racism an issue in the US?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/54658689

    2. Main home page article,

    Election day dawns as US pick Trump or Biden.

    (Large photo of scowling white guy in MAGA hat with slogan “KEEP America Great” alongside a pic of a black guy looking threatened and worried complete with vote Biden mask and draped in the the US flag.)

    The supporting articles are both blatant and outright Trump hating lies and spin along the lines of he’s a proven racist sort of crap.

    I would never have thought a few years back that I would see the day our “National Broadcaster” morphed into something so partisan, dangerous and politically biased.

    They have no place in a democratic nation.

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    • Ian Rushlow says:

      ‘They have no place in a democratic nation’.
      Indeed. And the BBC’s answer to this is to work tirelessly to try and destroy democracy in Britain.

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    • StewGreen says:

      @TalkRadio host was just repeating the narrative that crazy Trump spoke about dead George Floyd admiring his ECONOMIC policy
      So I looked up the actual transcript.

      AFAIK Trump had been talking about how he’d done plan to properly fund *black colleges*
      & get jobs moving in black areas
      & how he was pro equality
      Then he says George Floyd would surely be saying this is a good thing

      only later does he talk about the economy.
      Transcript
      (I cut the aside when he went into crime/looting)

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    • Seppers says:

      I notice that sort of thing all the time; the website is a campaign tool for their agenda. Simple as. It started in earnest with the brexit referendum campaign.

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    • Laughing at Lefty Trolls says:

      They’re also currently suppressing voting in Republican areas of Philadelphia right now by not opening until hours after they were meant to, and refusing to allow certified Republican poll watchers to watch the voters as they’re legally entitled to. There was rumour that the National Guard might be deployed, but that’s probably fake news. At least it’s getting plenty of attention from the PA GOP online and of course Trump has already stated he will sue Pennsylvania if there’s evidence of voter fraud. Given their attorney general stated yesterday that Biden would win, he has every right to be suspicious.

      However, they used similar tactics last year and still lost the state by about 80,000 votes, so fingers crossed it won’t come to that. Not to mention, if Trump retains the other states he won’t even need PA. It could only be a problem if he loses PA and Wisconsin, as then it would come down to North Carolina where there’s a nine-day extension for mail-in ballots. That’s why the news that he’s suddenly ahead in Nevada and is being spoken about as the likely winner in both Minnesota and New Hampshire is so important.

      Incidentally, the only coverage the BBC has given to the Philly situation is a little fluff line about ‘dancing at the polls.’ They forgot to mention the campaigning at the polling stations, including both people handing out leaflets and posters outside the buildings – both of which are also completely illegal.

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  48. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Digg
    In Florida, they (dems) are complaining because you cannot vote if you have outstanding criminal court fines. Pay your fine off and you can vote.

    The dems don’t like it because a huge number of their voters are affected by this ruling. Blacks, criminals, drug dealers and suchlike will not be voting and its thought that 90% of this lot would vote for Biden.

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  49. Yasser Dasmibehbi says:

    First results in reveal a swing to Biden of 5 points!
    Miniscule New Hampshire sample though.
    But when I think about the situation now, with us all pinning our hopes on the USA to make the right decision it all seems rather sad that if we had a Trump like figure in the UK he would be unlikely to be selected as a candidate for the Tory Party not to mention the others.
    So here we are, us brits, cheering on a candidate in another country who we can’t vote for, as the only hope for us.
    I

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