402 Responses to Start the Week Thread 6 July 2020

  1. king crimson says:

    Apologies for not being bbbc related but some on here have asked for a list of companies contributing to blm. Although an American article, and by no means exhaustive, most of these companies sell their products here. (We seem to have become stalled at Yorkshire Tea)


  2. AsISeeIt says:

    Just as the BBC committed itself 100% to the EU and to Climate Alarmism and would admit no alternative (the BBC’s castles in Spain, one could say), so it is now wedded firmly to lockdown as the only possible response to the virus scare.

    Here we have another narrative reinforcing report. Telling us little apart from the fact the BBC loves lockdown.

    ‘Coronavirus: Spanish study casts doubt on herd immunity feasibility’


    One might caution the BBC to be a little careful with this anti-herd immunity line since it tends to undermine the argument for vaccination schemes in general. Not a good look for the national broadcaster. But I guess that’s the problem with propaganda – sometimes you have to deliver two contradictory messages.

    So, what’s up with Spain, pray tell?

    ‘The prevalence of Covid-19 antibodies was below 3% in coastal regions, but higher in areas of Spain with widespread outbreaks’

    No shit Sherlock, or excuse my Spanish…

    A dearth of excrement, Mr Holmes

    I’m afraid there’ll be no quicky no fault divorce between the BBC and lockdown. They’re locked in for the duration.


    • JimS says:

      There have been studies of a similar kind in China and the US and “the key finding from these representative cohorts is that most of the population appears to have remained unexposed” to the coronavirus, “even in areas with widespread virus circulation,” the Lancet article said.

      Does that make any sense at all? Does it mean that if in an area where there are lots of case you ‘lockdown’ then those under house-arrest don’t encounter the virus? Pretty obvious, I would have thought.

      Some virologists say that we are exposed to viruses all the time and we develop resistance to them or we die. Locking people up stops them being exposed to any viruses so when they do get let out they have no immunity to anything so everyone dies.


  3. StewGreen says:

    The Sermon from LA


    • Fedup2 says:

      Wot a film that’s gonna make “the simpleton and the schemer “ …. Harry needs to be selective about history – and definitely avoid the family tiff which started the First World War and the various slaughter ever since – stick with the Windsor surname Harry …..


      • Scroblene says:

        Surely not the same Commonwealth which has simpered and squirmed all over him and his family for so long.

        Her Maj and Prince Phil always understood the politics of keeping all these countries in the public eye, nurturing them, helping them etc, and this little squirt’s other half decides it’s all rot!

        The bloody Commonwealth paid for your sodding wedding for a start, you stupid bint!

        Did he actually get any GCEs?


    • JimS says:

      The ‘we’ that means ‘you’.

      A high tide might raise all ships but a tidal wave sinks them. A low tide reveals the rocks.

      A thought: We had a friend who believed she was a daughter of an Irish immigrant family. On her wedding day the man who she knew as her father said that as he was ‘giving her away’ to another man now was the time to tell her that she had been adopted as a baby. Would that have abruptly changed her victim/oppressor state?

      We can’t really inherit the guilt or pain of ancestors, we might not even know who our ancestors were.

      The ‘anti-racists’ used to tell us that children didn’t see ‘race’, they learn it from adults. Now they are telling us that racism is an intrinisic characteristic of ‘white’ children.


    • Dobyns says:

      Mrs and Mr Markle striving to remain in the public eye; being politically correct, virtue-signalling, and relevant all at the same time

      Welcome to being a D List celebrity Prince Ginger


  4. Fedup2 says:

    More footage of the White House press briefings – the presidents spokes lady fired off a broadside at the end – after getting umpteen questions about the confederate flag by remarking how she got no questions about the increasing numbers of people of various colours and ages – being killed in American cities as a result of the current Marxist movement .

    Was a nice slap down as she walked away ….


    • JimS says:

      Did you hear the ‘journalist’ ask why the president was obsessed by ‘NASCAR’?

      Seemed to me that the obsession was with the ‘press pack’ determined to get a presidential condemnation of the Confederate flag (and lose all the Southern states?).


  5. pugnazious says:

    Just listening to the news….large rise in gun crime in the US due to anti-police sentiment whipped up by media[and Democrat politicians]…. massive job losses here, economic turmoil, mental health crisis, domestic abuse, and more tens of thousands of ‘excess’ deaths due to lack of treatment….due to lockdown.

    Who was at the centre of so much of this? The BBC.

    The BBC cheerled the rioters, looters, statue topplers and those who wanted to defund and disband the police…the BBC that cheerled for the lockdown and demanded ever-more restrictive regulations such as school closure and shutting down construction and other work places.

    The BBC is dangerous.

    And Leicester? All those immigrants in modern day slavery? BBC’s grubby fingerprints all over that as well….who is it that wants open borders so that businesses can import massive numbers of cheap workers to enrich us economically and culturally? The BBC.

    Hmmmm…a story about modern day slavery in the fashion industry…and it has vanished completely from the BBC website’s current pages. The BBC is obsessed with cheap fashion…related to climate change of course and has spent years campaiging on this subject as well as always wanting to talk about slavery and Bames suffering poverty and oppression.

    Two of its favourite subjects combined into one story….and…it’s vanished.

    Is it because the factories were Asian run and Boohoo is Asian owned? Don’t see the BBC making any comment about the ethnicity or migrant status here.

    If the businesses has been white-owned would the story still be making BBC headlines?


  6. Thoughtful says:


    An interesting piece in its implication that the BBC is intending to pull out of Manchester Media City.

    No surprise for many, as the BBC was having to ferry metropolitan elites from their leftist enclaves in Hampstead and Islington to Manchester and back in Taxis!
    Not to mention certain sports commentators who grew up in the North but now can’t stand to actually be there.

    The BBC was forced by government to regionalise its output because of its Londoncentric bias, and as might be expected, the BBC rented some fancy offices, but refused point blank to buy into the idea.
    It’s no surprise now to find the luvvies attempting to pull back to London with the cowardly useless incompetent Tories too scared of their own shadow to say boo to the BBC over this.


  7. Guest Who says:

    My mum was initially in a £4K a month care home owned by the local GP whose surgery oversaw its medical attention.

    It was operated on profit.

    She was moved once we appreciated that.


    • Fedup2 says:

      I’m afraid boris should stay quiet about the NHS PHE hospital trust GP government performance in relation to the number dead and dying in care homes as a result of avoidable failures .
      But as some on this site sometimes say ‘they’ve had their time ‘ – which I find both harsh and dismissive .

      If the numbers are ever ( or can ) be done properly I fear the body count for Chinese virus related death and infection is going to be very high for the nations’ care homes .

      I’ve visited various care homes in my area and I wouldn’t put my dog in them – even though they wanted a thousand a week .
      I also don’t like the corruption of GPs owning care homes – what a good way of ensuring ‘turnover ‘ shipman would be proud ….


      • Fedup2 says:

        Bit of good news for a change – redundancies at the Daily Mirror – drain the swamp .


      • Thoughtful says:

        I know you love Boris and the Tories Fed, but this is classic cowardly behaviour, when the bully who is always a coward at heart attacks someone who he believes can’t fight back in the attempt to shift blame away from himself.


        • Fedup2 says:

          Thoughtful – you defame me 😎 I have to be pragmatic . They are the best of a worst job . I know you always prefix your description of them. .None of them is far enough to the Right or England centric for me …
          As for the care homes – the health secretary said the government had put their arms around them – a lie – and now Johnson is dumb enough to come out with something as plain stupid as that .

          His government could redeem itself by reforming and improving ‘old age care’ as per the manifesto promise and not kick the subject down the road until the next election .


          • Thoughtful says:

            AH, Woudn’t want to defame you Fed so my apologies.

            I’m not sure now that they are the ‘best’, or indeed any tangible difference than the other lot. As you probably know they have been reclassified as a Left Wing party instead of centre Right which used to be the case.

            So far as I can see now there is no difference between Labour and Blue Labour and we are back to single party politics of the uniparty once again.


        • Guest Who says:

          I do not usually engage with fellow posters critically unless a midnight runner, but this will not stand, so as one responsible for this sub-thread….

          Thoughtful, you often offer good factual value and are worthy of attention on this basis. Alone.

          But you clearly hate beyond reason as those you without irony accuse of love, and confuse opinion with persuasive argument.

          Ironic hypocrisy is what is sinking the plague ship BBC hole by hole.

          Worth learning from.


        • richard D says:

          I rather think, Thoughtful, that no-one in the care professions feels at all bullied by the government – after all, they can always take to the air on the BBC (always an open door for anyone who wants to complain about the current government and its policies), or the UK MSM, dutifully and gleefully reported by the BBC who then take to the airwaves armed with a quote from someone in the papers. No hard questions, no rebuttals to any claims they make, no indication of their political positions or stances on anything, no incisive analysis of what went on, or did not, in the health and care services systems – local authority or private.


      • Guest Who says:

        Boris should adopt the Ed Bede approach to many things.

        He’s an incompetent idiot, but in a world of #politicsoftheleastbad he is the elected PM and trying to cope with ceaseless BBC assault on anything.

        Mum passed before all this. The fight I had with the NHS and social care to even get advice was a nightmare. I once had to call an ambulance to hospitalise her from our home care as a series of locums of ineptitude could not see we could not provide what she needed.

        The care how in question here was a country mansion run like a hotel, supposedly specialising in dementia.

        They allowed her to develop bed sores and when we discovered this we went ballistic and involved the lot… my GP, NHS, CQC, LGO, PHSO, MP…

        All tutted and supported their man the doctor who signed the Hippocratic Oath and owned a profit centre.


        • Fedup2 says:

          Guest – i reckon i went through similar -.i lost count of the number of battles i had with all branches of the ‘ caring professions’ and learnt a lot about these ‘ angels’ as a result .


    • pugnazious says:

      Boris is right, though clearly govt/NHS failed also.

      Why is it some care homes suffered so many deaths and yet many had none at all? Interested to see the figures. Must be in great part due to how they managed themselves.


      • BRISSLES says:

        Personally I think cameras should be installed in all the rooms of residents in Care Homes. Most carers are brilliant at their jobs with the limited tools available, but there are also a great many who do the job because they cant get employment anywhere else, hence the lack of skills and empathy and the low rate of pay. If I hadn’t visited my Dad several times a week (and not at the same time) in his Home, then I would not have been reassured at his care, as the carers never knew when I was going to walk in. Other poor souls in the Home rarely received visitors so their treatment was less than perfect sadly.

        So, if you have relatives who need Care Home residency then please call in regularly to check on them.


        • Fedup2 says:

          Bris i would echo that. I found that visiting care homes is an ‘ art’ – the need to engage the staff and ‘ make nice ‘ but enduring they know youre not missing the good / bad .
          I , too , felt for those there alone …


  8. richard D says:

    I’m just a little bit puzzled. Three pubs closed down again yesterday after opening on Saturday – one, after some guy phoned, presumably yesterday, to say he had tested positive for Voronavirus.

    I find the timeline strange. The pub opens Saturday. THe guy phones Monday to say he has the virus. Loads of complaints flying around that we’re lucky to get test results back after 48 hours, let alone 24 hours. The chances of this guy geting tested on Sunday and getting a positive result yesterday seem to me to be slim to none. Therefore, it would appear that this guy already knew he was waiting for a test result when he went to the pub on Saturday.

    Three key options – he was part of some random testing process (but I thought we weren’t doing these), he was part of some regular testing regime because he is involved in the health sector Coronovirus risk group, or that he had had a test before Saturday because he was already showing symptoms.

    OPtion 1 looks unlikely, option 2 means that he should have known he was at risk, and told people, and should have avoided risk areas for catching coronnavirus (like puibs at this stage) anyway, and option 3 means that he couldn’t give a toss.

    Any other optios – but shouldn’t we be told how this came about ?


    • Fedup2 says:

      Richard – yes saw that – and also saw that the pubs were not in big cities ….

      The other option – is that the chap who tested positive is a ‘health professional ‘ drinking covid cocktails ..


    • StewGreen says:

      The pubs things is BS
      “If someone tests positive and yesterday then went to Asda then does that supermarket have to close then ?”

      In Batley – a customer had phoned to say they had tested positive for coronavirus. (staff tested negative …hmm as if the incubation period has been enough)

      Alverstoke village, said his team were awaiting test results after someone in a member of staff’s “family bubble” tested positive.

      What’s the risk to other customers
      If the guy just sat outside pretty much zero
      Only if he was inside for a long time, coughed over someone or used the toilet cubicle could other customers have got a viral load


  9. Fedup2 says:

    Pug – I’m not directly affected by the care home’ issue ‘ . I’m not ‘old ‘ for the time being – but I think the measure of the morality of a country is the way it treats the elderly . From what I’ve seen it is not good and there can be improvement if the Will is there , but it isn’t .

    Incidentally I lost a life long friend in a care home recently who died through age . Sadly the care Home locked down early and was ruthless about hygiene control- but obviously there could be no visiting or saying goodbye .


  10. Guest Who says:


    Here, meanwhile, the MSM does all in its power to undermine them.

    Funny old world.


  11. Tabs says:

    I only saw the BBC News channel once yesterday and once this morning and both times they had so-called comedian Shazia Mirza.

    The clip they showed of Shazia doing her “comedy” was her lecturing her audience on how to say her name and saying all the different ways [implying white gammons] have tried to say it. In the studio interview she said you start of with an audience of 50 and now she is up to 2500. Imagine if she could lecture much bigger audiences if the theatres can all stay open!

    I used to go to comedy clubs a lot when I was younger but haven’t bothered for years now as every comedy routine is either a) calling a right wing/Tory/Trump a gammon/racist/swear word, or b) banging on about their disability or c) banging on about racism. I can save my money by watching the BBC instead.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Tabs – I didn’t laugh at your post until I saw the last line …


  12. Venutius says:


    1. “Racism and statues: How the toxic legacy of empire still affects us.”


    2. “Black, disabled and female: ‘It’s a hard place to be'”


    3. The town divided by Black Lives Matter


    4. ‘My 30-year struggle with racism in the Metropolitan police’

    ….it it just goes on and on. It just doesn’t stop. Why won’t it stop?

    This is just today!

    The network is simply obsessed with identity and race. Everything is filtered through this lens.

    Let’s take 2 of the headlines above and spin them a little to shine a light on the moronic idiocy of this ‘line of journalism’.

    1. “Racism and statues: How the toxic legacy of empire still affects us.” – Today we talk about the legacy of the Roman Empire and how it’s affected the entire Western world. How slavery from Britain funded its establishment. How Britons were oppressed and a wall was built to divide us? We focus in on the Iceni where systematic rape and genocide wiped out an entire culture that still reverberates today.

    3. “The town divided by Black Lives Matter” – Today we talk to Kevin who refused to take the knee as a conscientious objector. His decision has not only divided his family but his entire community.
    I mean it’s just ludicrous, none of this is bloody news. The BBC is just a troll machine funded by Brits to tell Brits how awful we are to people or generational descendants of people who came here in the last 50 years or so.

    Where is the broadcast counterbalance to this bias headwind?
    Defund it now.


    • theisland says:

      ‘Ludicrous’ is the operative word, and begs the question of why any half-competent government would allow it to continue. Fortunately it has reached the point where most of their so-called adult programmes (particularly the ‘news’) are now shunned by the majority, except for the feeble minded.

      However, the danger is in allowing public funding to continue for the bBC’s propagandising of children and very young people. Their current output aimed at these age groups, in all its forms, should be banned in schools immediately pending independent ‘scrutiny’ (although I’m not sure who could do this).



  13. richard D says:

    BBC Today programme gave airtime to some female British athlete, whose Portuguese boyfriend’s car was stopped and searched a couple of days ago.Her interpretation, black person driving big black Merc gets stopped in an area of known high risk for gangs, weapons, drugs etc. – and it’s a clear case of racism.

    But…. the windows of the Merc were, apparently ‘blacked out’ – so how was anybody supposed to know that the car was being driven by a black guy ? The police say the car was spotted driving erratically, and on the wrong side of the road (Portuguese driver ?), so, again, if the police are following a car with blacked-out windows, how the hell are they supposed to know the colour of the driver – but when the police signal a stop – said driver speeds off…. Now, just how suspicious is that ? When asked to exit the car by uniformed officers, both occupants resist…… now, just how suspicious is that ? And don’t try to kid me that criminals don’t carry women and children in their cars to look innocent.

    Filming was being done by the rear seat passenger, i.e. the female athlete, who clearly wasn’t too bothered about the baby in the car at that point, which, in any case, should have been secured in the car in a seat or other protective equipment.

    Why is all of this not relevant, and it’s just ‘racism’ ? Never mind that the bodycam videos have been assessed and the police appear to have done nothing wrong at all, in the circumstances they faced.

    “I am black, and anything you do which I don’t like, means you are, by definition, racist”, seems to be the mantra these days.

    BLM, you are going to have a lot to answer for.


    • Oldspeaker says:

      “BLM, you are going to have a lot to answer for”
      The movement appears to have been hikacked by those who were gluing themselves to public transport not so long ago. And hilariously being helped off the train after sitting on the wrong bit. I don’t think the very vocal mainly far left white women have many answers. They’ll soon be whitesplaining themselves off to the next destructive marxist front cause and black people will be no further forward than when all this started. In fact if the bbc are allowed to continue setting race relations back they’ll be worse off.


    • davylars says:

      So driving on the wrong side of the road is perfectly acceptable and the perpetrator doesn’t need to be reprimanded?

      “An American diplomat’s wife, who left the United Kingdom after becoming a suspect in a fatal traffic collision, was driving on the wrong side of the road at the time of the crash, according to the police. The driver – a 42-year-old American woman named as Anne Sacoolas – left the country shortly afterwards despite facing possible charges of causing death by dangerous driving.


      • Guest Who says:

        By way of explanation, if not excuse, the car being driven was a Merc.

        Noted for drivers who feel they own the road and/or nudging others, either for business or going around in circles.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Richard – as i wrote here recently the BBCMSM is desperate for a coloured’ victim ‘ so for the moment she ll have to do until a dead one comes along – preferaby in police custody as an ideal vehicle to focus the anti white hate being thrown around –
      – all those dead black americans dont quite do the job …

      Isnt it all so sad.


      • StewGreen says:

        @Fedup2 yes who will be today’s ?
        #1 BAME hero of the day
        #2 White villain of the day
        eg piss man, or Burnley man, Starkey etc.


        • StewGreen says:

          Oh note in the news-soap-opera
          there is always BAME hero/victim-of-the-day ..subject to operation banging on
          and white-bad-man of the day ..usually Trump

          but BAME bad-man of the day eg the Reading or Glasgow attacker
          are played down and not subject to operation banging on


        • Fedup2 says:

          Stew – if the BBC can’t find a victim today – they’ll find one tomorrow – it’s a testimonial to the UK that they haven’t found one already – after all – it is a racist country after all ..

          Funny – once you realise what the BBC is now you can read it like a book …. it’s methods do use the authoritarian – fascist type propaganda where the message is infused into every aspect of life from CBBC upward …


  14. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #1 – Does Mishal have a Buy to Let Property Portfolio?

    My reason for asking is that she seemed very keen, in the 8.10 a.m. prime slot interview, to ask Philip Hammond, a former Chancellor of the Exchequer, about the possible relaxation of the Stamp Duty rules by the current Chancellor, Rishi Sunak.

    If she does have a BTL portfolio, Mishal obviously leaves messy tax matters to the accountant. Philip Hammond ‘misspoke’ when asked about a cut in the VAT rate. He said that a VAT cut only provides a short, instant boost (sorry, cannot remember exact words used) and doesn’t provide a long term stimulus to the economy. Ooooops!

    Either the former Chancellor does not understand different taxations within the wider field of economics – which he should do and I think he probably does – or he misspoke. I think the latter applies. Your VAT rate either permanently suppresses demand or encourages spending. All taxes, other than Income Tax (and its corporate equivalent), personal National Insurance (to an extent) and Inheritance Tax, suppress demand. That is what taxes do.

    Had it been any current Cabinet Minister, I’m sure Mishal (or Nick) would have wanted to point out how wrong they were in saying that. The BBC would have then played the same audio clip over and over during every News and News Bulletin for at least twenty-four hours or more.


  15. pugnazious says:

    LOL…..BBC diversity drive….by driving out the only person who puts a fair case for the Right…from Guido…

    ‘In related news, it sounds like Andrew Neil’s time at the BBC may also be coming to a grinding halt as Tony Hall prioritises his £100 million diversity scheme. Speaking to the Radio Times Neil said “I would like to be doing more shows, of course I would… I don’t know what’s happening. There’s no clarity at the moment, so I’m just waiting for the BBC to make up its mind.” The BBC often threatens to cut popular shows and stars to focus the minds of the public and MPs; if Guido were Andrew Neil he’d be flattered…


    • richard D says:

      Diversity in all its glory……. except diversity of thought. Typical BBC.


    • G.W.F. says:

      I am sure if Andrew Neil is fired he will not mind if he is replaced by one of the Moslems he has spent such effort in defending from far right people like Tommy (tell me your real name. tell me tell me) and Katie Hopkins- ‘you are Trump’s leading supporter’ – Hopkins. . So long Neil.


    • Guest Who says:

      If that doesn’t finish off AN, this might…

      The BBC does not like questions.

      And does not like its BFFs asked them either.


      • Fedup2 says:

        Guest – ok – a hands up – i m not a fan of royalty and the netflix show was a real hoot … any way – some of the comments on twitter show that humour is not dead and how these two people are now a ‘ joke ‘ .
        The twitter stuff about putting up a crowdfunding thing to hostage rescue harry …. or that he needs to look out for the tennis coach ….

        I waste the data listening to a couple of LA airheads preaching so i guess their political musings are a bit rich ….


      • vlad says:

        Someone earlier mentioned a film title.

        How about The Gold Digger and the Ginger Whinger?

        For A Few Dollars More was already taken.


      • richard D says:

        Andrew Neil has a completely valid point “What is it that the Commonwealth has done wrong?”

        These prancing, prattling, pretenders to some sort of importance, and peddlars of pi$$-poor information really, really , really need to read up on their history.

        To paraphrase a saying – “Why open your mouths and completely confirm your stupidity ?”


  16. Up2snuff says:

    BBC WEB-SITE Watch #1 – Still there today

    The BBC were very quick to disappear the NASCAR Noose Truth from their web-site. 24 hours or less. The BBC seem very keen to keep a certain Brexiteer’s head in the noose while he downs a pint. Still there after 48 hours. To add insult to injury, the BBC are now exploiting Bubba Wallace – on the same Home Page – in order to attack President Trump.

    Now, BBC, what’s that you said about foreigners interfering in other countries’ Elections?


  17. upandatem says:

    My mother-in-law, sadly no longer with us, spent some of her time in a care home in West London and some in a care home in Buckinghamshire. The difference between the two homes was stark. Boris is absolutely right to draw attention to poor care homes as many deaths in these places were due to bad practice and not lack of any PPE. The BBC, with all its hidden camera documentaries in such places, have seen for themselves how poor some of these homes are but choose, in their biased fashion, to knock Boris instead. He hasn’t come across this information by chance or made it up. He has been informed by a large team of experts who have seen the disparities between care homes for themselves. There is nothing contentious in what he said.


    • Up2snuff says:

      You are quite right, upandatem, a lot of ‘handling’ the Covid-19 virus (and its ‘flu’ equivalents) things-to-do are pure commonsense.

      I’m involved with others in a voluntary cleaning job in the community for some premises. When the virus reached the UK and had established a foothold but before the lockdown (during which the premises would be no longer used) was announced, certain surfaces that would not normally be cleaned but that people might touch within the premises, were cleaned with a mix of water, soap, disinfectant and a little bleach. This was done purely on a personal initiative basis in mid-March.

      I’m sure a similar initiative for attention to detail would have helped reduce deaths in Care Homes.


  18. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #2 – Has Hammond Haccepted the Hinevitable?

    I was interested to hear if during Mishal’s interview with Philip Hammond, former (very anti-Brexit) Chancellor of the Exchequer, whether the ‘B’ word would surface and whether Mishal might ask about it. It didn’t really arise, except in an oblique way in a question about Huawei and 5G telecomms.

    It appears that Philip Hammond has now accepted that Brexit will now happen fully and completely now that he and his Bank of England buddy, Mark Carney, are no longer able to obstruct it.


    • theisland says:

      “It appears that Philip Hammond has now accepted that Brexit will now happen fully and completely now that he and his Bank of England buddy, Mark Carney, are no longer able to obstruct it.”

      I’m sure there must be an appropriate word or phrase for that – selfish pragmatism?


  19. pugnazious says:

    Orwell could see the writing on the wall…writing about Communism his words are still relevant today as the BBC cheerleads for Marxists and the new world order it wants to engender manipulating thoughts and beliefs by manipulating language, where words become crimes and history criminal….Orwell’s Newspeak…in which ‘ The introduction of the Declaration of Independence, for instance, can be translated only into a single word: crimethink. ‘ How very current as they try to topple and criminalise Washington, LIncoln and Jefferson.

    Classic Orwell and 1984…..when you can’t use words that describe something you can’t describe something…

    ‘ Newspeak is engineered to remove even the possibility of rebellious thoughts—the words by which such thoughts might be articulated have been eliminated from the language. Newspeak contains no negative terms.

    Newspeak contains all words with political or ideological significance, specially tailored to engender blind acceptance of the Party’s doctrines. ‘

    …and that is the intention here with the word ‘Thug’….if you aren’t allowed to use the word thug to describe violent thugs just because they’re black you are limited in what you can say…and if you use another word that will also be banned….what they really want is to stop you saying anything about Black people being violent…..the BBC can censor its own news output but is also trying to censor and silence you…..’Thug’ is only ‘controversial’ because Blacks claim it is…and the BBC agrees….

    ‘”Subverted by thuggery.” “Thugs and criminals.”

    That’s how Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Home Secretary Priti Patel have referred to people involved in violence that occurred at recent Black Lives Matter protests in the UK.

    Its dictionary definition is “a violent person, especially a criminal,” but it has become a loaded term when referring to black people.

    It was used widely to describe black people involved the Baltimore riots in 2015, and the use of the word still hurts today.

    “They may as well just have the balls, have the bottle to say the N-word,” says Natasha March.

    “Racism hasn’t changed, it’s just become more discreet, clever, manipulated, gaslighted, and thrown back at us.”‘


    It’s racist because they’re not bad boys and girls…they’re victims….using violence and rioting to voice their rage at their oppression…it’s not ‘thuggish’ to attack people, burn down homes, businesses and an old folks home….it’s protest.

    ‘”It’s not the right word to call our children ‘thugs,'” Mr Stokes said. “These are children who have been set aside, marginalised, who have not been engaged by us.”‘

    Curiously the BBC reports…..

    ‘Sturgeon condemns ‘racist thugs’ after Glasgow protests’

    Hmmmm….how can racists be described using a term that is racist? Oh hang on…they’re racist because they went to protect war memorials from BLM thugs?

    ‘Six men have been arrested by police after two separate protest groups gathered in George Square.

    National Defence League supporters went to the square saying they wanted to “make and stand” and “protect the Cenotaph”. ‘


  20. Jeff says:

    I wonder, does anyone know how our state broadcaster is going to commemorate this fifteenth anniversary of the horrendous Islamist terrorist attacks on London?

    Do you remember these attacks? The bombs that slaughtered fifty two innocent people commuting to work during the rush hour. Somehow it seems almost airbrushed out of our history.

    I’m intrigued because lately the Beeb, particularly BBC2 and BBC4, have been showing an endless assortment of prog’s all about the plight of black folk in Blighty and elsewhere..
    Just in the last couple of weeks we’ve been deluged with programmes about the slave trade, the mistreatment of the “Windrush” generation and an awful lot on historic race crimes in the US. Oh, obviously they’ve mentioned Stephen Lawrence, once or twice too (ahem).
    So, I mused, perhaps they might have something on tonight about that tragic day fifteen years ago…

    I decided to take quick browse through today’s TV scheduling. Surely there’d be something…just a half hour…fifteen minutes… maybe just a mention…Nope. Hmm, strange…

    However, there’s no need to be despondent, because if you’re a fan of the beloved NHS (and who isn’t?) you’re in for a real treat. At 9.00 this evening, BBC4 are showing a really splendid and apposite programme it would be foolhardy to miss.

    Black Nurses: The Women Who Saved The NHS.

    I can hardly wait…


    • BRISSLES says:

      I noticed this Jeff, and thought how contentious the title is, so what have the majority of white and indigenous nurses been doing since the time of Florence Nightingale then ? According to the BBC, absolutely bugger all.

      Any white nurse young or old or retired, must wonder what the hell ? Nice going BBC.


  21. StewGreen says:

    For the last 48 hours Twitter has been pushing this anti Trump story
    at the top of the search page
    “Fox News segment crops Trump out of a photo with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell”
    It’s common they push so much libmob stuff at me

    Yet they are NOT pushing the Labour MP paedo story at me.


    • G.W.F. says:

      I am beginning to fear that the entire G. Maxwell story is going to be a well managed removal of Trump. The significance is that her so called arrest took place at a convenient time in the election year


  22. StewGreen says:

    “Former Labour MP Eric Joyce admits making an indecent image of a child.”
    OK I have done a Twitter search
    and the link to the ITV story does appear as a news link


  23. Ed Hitter says:

    A twitter post from a survivor of the 7/7 terrorist attacks across London recalls a dark day for our country – one we all certainly remember.
    But not a mention of the 15th anniversary on today’s BBCNews and just a single report hidden away on the England & London pages of its website.


    • StewGreen says:

      BBC rule “don’t mention Islamic Terrorism unless we can give or mate Sadiq PR”
      Published just before midday
      publication time for the BBC local story was 11:47am


  24. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Maybe in 2077 they will have a clapping session for the victims of 7/7 (15 doesn’t seem a significant anniversary)

    Much better the 72 year anniversary, as is now in fashion.


    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      I doubt that the caliphate of al Britani in 2077 will want to remember the kuffars who died, more likely the martyrs who killed them.


  25. Guest Who says:

    A little OT boy Jon and squad’s other La-La BFFs…

    From Vanity Fair, which I found thanks to one of the American beauties.


    That rather kills me getting Disney+


    Be mediocre, get MSM support, get coverage…

    Walt. you tool, no.

    Not even for the Madelorian.


  26. StewGreen says:

    “Coronavirus: Majority testing positive have no symptoms”
    As ever the BBC maintains it’s super high quality.

    They assume that all people who get a positive test but at the time had no symptoms were asymptomatic carriers
    em Some people might have had that test on day 4 and then developed physical symptoms on day 5 or 6
    Oh the radio report now is admitting that lot of the people it classes as no symptoms at time of test , actually did have symptoms earlier
    So the BBC has mixed that up with people who are truly asymptomatics.

    And how worried should be about asymptomatics
    “The WHO says the evidence points to minimal transmission from asymptomatic (distinct from pre-symptomatic) people.”

    ALSO The image that BBC have been using for Twitter/link previews shows a lady having a swab test
    She’s got her mask around her neck
    That’s an absolute NO NO cos the bugs deposited on her neck get transferred to the INSIDE of the mask.
    The HTML inside this page no longer points at that image,
    but other BBC stories still use it.

    Some of the reader comments
    “Health and social care staff appeared to be more likely to test positive.”
    Probably because health and social care staff are more likely to have been tested.

    Hmm, an article based on only 122 +ve tests is on very shaky statistical grounds in scaling up any conclusions to the whole population


  27. Guest Who says:

    Et, encore un fois…


    30 years ago 96% of my creative company was diverse. 75% of the ownership was diverse.

    They were hired because they were best for the work.

    As would Jaheed, assuming his application approach appealed, I saw his porty first, was impressed and felt he was a good fit after a mutually beneficial series of departmental interviews and references.

    Some, in fact few, were from university mind. I hired the person, not the qualification.

    Maybe one reason my company routinely won business in competition from multinationals, and retained it for years.

    I imagine the same applies in broadcast media. If allowed.


    • richard D says:

      Quote from the above article provided by Guest Who “30 years ago 96% of my creative company was diverse”.

      Hmm that means that 4% was ‘not diverse’ – i.e. white ? (unless they were some sort of alien, or non-existant bodies. )

      In which case your first premise is completely wrong, given the make-up of the population around you.

      What you are really saying is that 96% of your company was non-white – which is pretty racist and totally non-diverse when you come to think of it clearly……since you would probably rant that a company which was 96% white wouldn’t be diverse in your view – but it would more closely match the diversity of people in this country than your company did at the time.

      However I’m willing to bet that you aren’t even capable of thinking clearly, given your open gambit regarding diversity.


      • Guest Who says:

        Given where my company was, try again.

        And avoid betting shops.

        Cathy… stop it.


        • richard D says:

          Guest Who – you are correct, I confused the company in the article with your personal history. I misread the ’30’ years as ‘3 years’, thereby completely misunderstanding your point. Apologies…..so used to reading articles from journals where people are claiming all sorts of stuff.

          No excuses – bad interpretation by me. Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

          Luckily all my bets are non-pecuniary.


  28. pugnazious says:

    Can’t be long before the BBC gets hold of this and starts demanding to know why there are no black people in the Anglo-Saxon re-enactment group as they walk in the racist British countryside.


    • Dave S says:

      Sadly my ancestors are Anglo Saxons from way back. I will have to disavow them. They were by definition racist. After all they were not very nice to the Celts. Unless they were pretty girls and then as usual exceptions were made.


  29. upandatem says:

    Poor old, thick Harry. He leaves one of the most important and respected institutions in the world, with a direct influence over many countries in the old Commonwealth, and chooses to change our attitudes by living in LA with a third-rate actress. His decline into irrelevance as been rapid and deserved.


  30. pugnazious says:

    BBC being very, very dishonest as it twists what actually happened as it claims a young woman was traumatised by Trump targeting her, out of the blue, with a tweet…

    My ‘terrifying’ run-in with Donald Trump’s Twitter

    ‘”It was really dark.

    “It was truly just one of the darkest moments of my life.”

    When Lauren was 18 she went to a campaign event in her home state of New Hampshire.
    At the event, Lauren – who now considers herself to be more left-wing – was especially looking forward to asking Trump about his record on women.

    “Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t think you’re a friend to women,” she said to the candidate in front of a boisterous audience.
    After the exchange, Lauren felt like she’d achieved her goal – and then didn’t think much more about it.

    “I had asked questions of candidates in the past and so I just didn’t think this was anything out of the normal,” she says. “I just thought it was another day.”

    However, the back-and-forth ended up getting a lot of attention in the media and online. The next day, candidate Trump tweeted about her.
    On Twitter, Trump accused Lauren of being a plant from a rival campaign
    Lauren – who appears in a new BBC Three documentary, Trump in Tweets, about how the US president came of age on Twitter – says seeing the tweet about her was like an “out-of-body experience.”

    “I just never in a million years expected that this would ever become a thing,” she says. “I’d come there to ask a question and, naively, I never expected that was the way it was going to go.

    “The second the tweet came out everything really piled on.”‘

    Hang on..she went to a Trump rally, and she was a Jeb Bush plant, and she accused Trump of hating women….and yet she is upset that Trump did what?…oh…he accused her, quite rightly, of being a plant for his rival’s campaign.

    She says….

    ‘she is passionate about talking about online bullying and the impact it can have on a person’s mental health.’

    …but wasn’t it her who, in front of a big audience and all the media, made a toxic accusation about Trump? Quite happy to lie and ‘bully’ by smearing someone on TV but anyone who repsonds is a bully damaging her mental health?

    The BBC write this up as if she did nothing and that Trump’s tweet was what started the ball rolling against her.

    Not true.

    The Washington Post reports her stance as aggressive, as if her accusation wasn’t enough…

    ‘Batchelder listened with her arms folded, face in a scowl. She then finished asking her question: “If you become president, will a woman make the same as a man, and do I get to choose what I do with my body?”
    After the crowd cheered, Trump answered quickly and curtly: “You’re going to make the same if you do as good of a job, and I happen to be pro-life, okay?” Batchelder listened, her hands now on her hips.’

    And the first tweets came from the Trump campaign not Trump…..

    ‘Daniel Scavino Jr., a senior adviser to Trump, accused Bush of having “planted” an intern at the event. Conservative blogs quickly picked up the story.’

    Note…social media quickly picked up on the story from that…and Trump only later making his own comment…

    ‘Daniel Scavino Jr., a senior adviser to Trump, accused Bush of having “planted” an intern at the event. Conservative blogs quickly picked up the story.’

    All good though….she forgives Trump for his sins and hopes he will change…coz he’s a bad’un….

    ‘Lauren says she doesn’t feel any lasting anger towards President Trump or the people who harassed her – but she hopes they can change for the better.’


    • Guest Who says:

      Dishonest? Utterly venal conflation propaganda.

      Today someone closer to home could as easily claim their encounter was with ‘BBC’s Islam’.


    • Guest Who says:

      BBC Perviii twitter is quite something.


    • Guest Who says:

      I have also noticed the more outrageous the stitch up, the more resources thrown by the media facilitating it into the shoot.

      Three parties for her mug shot.

      Think half the Labour Shadow Dimwits when frontpaging a Graun outrage punt.

      I think Skanky Jess still uses hers.


    • Broadcasting-on-Behalf-of-the-Caliphate says:

      Why is nothing done when several BBC articles are shown to be complete fabrications? Is there no-one with influence remotely bothered? I can usually spot several examples a day of the BBC wilfully creating misleading headlines with no effort at all. But nothing is done.


    • Roland Deschain says:

      If you can’t stand the heat…


  31. theisland says:

    The wind has dropped, so …


    • G says:

      A ‘Peoples Parliament’? No: we vote them in and they do what they like for 5 years apart from the interim lies and deceit.


  32. StewGreen says:

    Bashing Britain Club
    rule #1 Avoid showing images of White males


  33. digg says:

    The BBC will shoe-horn their agenda wherever they can. Take this mornings Archers an R4, a soliloquy…

    A cherry farmer thinking aloud along the lines of:

    “The Eastern Europeans are so much more reliable then workers in this Country. I guess because they have taken the trouble to leave their Country looking for work they have so much more commitment….. and you can’t mess around with cherries!”

    No Mr. woke farmer it’s because they will work for practically sod all because they have no work in their own Country and will be prepared to live in a hut in the field and probably pay you rent for it, so feel free to take advantage! So sorry that you might now have to employ British labour AND pay a living wage.


    • digg says:

      I am beginning to realise that there is another side to the BBC’s bias. Take the last article I posted on The Archers pro Eastern European anti-white British blather.

      I suspect that the BBC are actually trying to taunt us. I firmly believe that the main reason for the Archers “Can’t get Eastern European workers to work on British farms so easily now” thread was to try to mock and sting the horrible white “British” listeners they despise so much for causing Brexit.

      The storyline is obviously written by a woke lefty ex-UNI bod and It’s at the level of 4th form rubber band flirting at the fatty in class. Good to know it’s probably the only weapon they have left now.

      I can’t wait for their inevitable demise.


  34. StewGreen says:

    Look how racist these Halifax, Canada police are /sarc
    Dates from 2016


  35. theisland says:


  36. StewGreen says:

    I noticed that BBC progs have a topic tags associated with them

    “Science” about 4,600 results
    “Women” About 4,580 results
    (includes phrases which include : woman, women, female etc.)

    “Men” 1,470 results
    (includes phrases which include : man, men, male etc.)

    “Far Right” 214 results
    “Islam” 1,160 results
    “Hindu” 669
    “climate change” 756 ..that seems quite low so I guess it depends on what the producers choose as the tag


    • JimS says:

      Climate Change is the ‘new normal’, the ingredient in ‘every’ BBC new story, drama, comedy etc. so not worth ‘tagging’.


  37. s.trubble says:

    Every day throughout this lockdown in Brigadoon we have had to switch from bBC 1 Scotland..//not the new £32 million white elephant mind) its got its own freeview channel….but bBC 1…..to English bBC 1

    1) to avoid listening to this grandstanding England hating woman

    2) To have daily soma of a Bargain Hunt Repeat.

    Some choice eh….?

    Bargain Hunt repeats or Wee Krankie…what a choice AND

    £155 quid…………Aye Popeye…


  38. s.trubble says:

    This Eric Joyce character……interesting that he bears the name associated with fighting Irish (traveller) families……Joyce/Niven? Quinn /McDonagh….

    He has previous trying to box in the Westminster hostelry if memory serves…………

    How did he ever get elected you would ask yourself.


  39. Lucy Pevensey says:

    I thought BBC didn’t do comedy anymore. Nevermind, despite their gargantuan income sometimes they get things delightfully wrong.


    • Oldspeaker says:

      Superb, remember the spitfire sequence inserted into a Brexit item?
      Vive la résistance!


    • vlad says:

      Pity the Breakfast piece wasn’t about, say, a certain ex-Shadow Home Secretary.

      Imagine the red faces at the beeb, the sackings, the riots by BLM.


    • JimS says:

      If only it had been a story about Diane Abbott..

      ..half of the BBC’s News Room would have been sacked.


  40. Kaiser says:


    you just knew it was time to play this card


    • StewGreen says:

      It’s title Grenfell Tower inquiry: Fire ‘inextricably linked with race’

      Yes but it doesn’t mention the topics people immediately think of

      That somehow native born British born people (largely white) get put at the back of the housing queue such that 40% of Grenfell residents were BAME
      and that it’s highly likely there were factors like mass subletting, litter in the stairwells , and a failure by residents to follow proper procedures that contributed to the death toll.
      Sure a white drunk in a Glasgow tower might set his flat on fire, but the overall outcome may not have been as severe I guess.


  41. G says:

    Yes, that old chestnut won’t go away. But, I’m intrigued, ‘fire is racist’ is a new one on me. Well, I guess to most simpletons, everything in racist. Brings the day of reckoning closer.


  42. StewGreen says:

    Lib Dem peer asserts British history is characterised
    by being “often brutal”


    • StewGreen says:

      She has a Turkish name : her parents were Turkish Cypriots
      Former Islington councillor

      2011 “Help. Trapped in a queue in chav-land!
      Woman behind me explaining latest Eastenders plot to mate, while eating largest bun I’ve ever seen,”
      Baroness Hussein-Ece tweeted from Sainsbury’s .

      Her short Wikipedia page has this strange detail
      “her second cousin Tracey Emin’s paternal great-grandfather, Abdullah, was reportedly a Sudanese slave in the Ottoman Empire”


    • Dave S says:

      I take it this refers to our erstwhile prince Harry. A sad decline for that young man. He looks as out of place in LA as it is possible to be.


  43. Oldspeaker says:

    Good news from a source with more journalistic integrity than the bbc, the statues are fighting back.
    “Rocky Balboa Statue Goes 15 Rounds Against Rioters”
    “The weak, sissy rioters charged the statue and started punching it, hurting their little man-baby hands and running away to cry to their parents, whom they probably still live with.”
    Well, I believe it.
    And one for the tin foil hat wearers.
    “Redskins Change Name To ‘Lizard People’ To Better Represent Population Of Washington, D.C.”


  44. G.W.F. says:

    Celebrations predicted with BBC and Ch 4 as far right Trump supporting President of Brazil tests positive for corona virus.



  45. BBCNarrativeB says:

    The BBC conveniently forgetting to put in its tweet or the first part of the article how the bus exploded.
    There’s only a cursory mention to one of the attackers’ name in the article.
    RIP to Philip Russell and everyone else who were innocent victims of the atrocity.


    • Dave S says:

      A bus exploded? For God’s sake this is appalling misuse of language. I despise the BBC.


    • StewGreen says:

      The have made a kind of correction after getting a kicking in the comments and getting ratioed 6 to 1
      They have added a new reply tweet
      “Hasib Hussain detonated the bomb on the bus,
      which killed 13 people.
      He was one of four suicide bombers who targeted London on 7/7.”
      ..and put his photo

      a Third tweet has a short video from a survivor.


    • Fedup2 says:


      Thank you for putting that up because otherwise people might think London buses spontaneously explode . I guess Muslims run the London news department — maybe they are ashamed of their fellow Muslims – or maybe just covering up the evil.


    • StewGreen says:

      “Despite Brexit
      it was a largely peaceful bus journey”


    • StewGreen says:

      And when talking about Jo Cox
      do they say “she passed away outside a library” ?

      Or do they make a flakey claim the stabber was a “far right terrorist” ?


    • Dobyns says:

      This is along the lines of Ilhan Omar describing 9/11 as “some people did something”.


    • StewGreen says:

      “After a warm day in Hiroshima, many fail to return to work.”


    • StewGreen says:

      ” so you’ve managed NOT to offend the terrorists who murdered with impunity on 7/7″


  46. pugnazious says:

    LOL….This is a man who instigated violent anti-American riots, who is now joining forces with the most American of American companies and who gets millions of dollars from Nike which made them by exploiting workers in sweatshops and slavery conditions……


    • AsISeeIt says:

      Colin Rand Kaepernick born November 3, 1987 to Heidi Russo, who is white. His birth father, who is African-American (of Ghanaian, Nigerian, and Ivorian ancestry), separated from Russo before Kaepernick was born. Russo placed Kaepernick for adoption with a white couple named Rick and Teresa Kaepernick. The couple had two older children: son Kyle and daughter Devon. The Kaepernicks decided to adopt a boy after losing two other sons to heart defects. Kaepernick lived in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin, until age four, when his family moved to California. When he was eight years old, Kaepernick began playing youth football. Kaepernick played football, basketball and baseball and was nominated for all-state selection in all three sports his senior year. He was the most valuable player (MVP) of the Central California Conference in football, leading his school to its first-ever playoff victory. Kaepernick received most of his high school accolades as a baseball pitcher. He received several scholarship offers in that sport, but he wanted to play college football. The University of Nevada, Reno offered him a football scholarship, and Kaepernick signed with Nevada in February 2006.

      Oh the repression, the sheer inhumanity.


  47. AsISeeIt says:

    Just a little bit of fun

    Which of these three unlikely statements is a genuine BBC report headline?

    Jurgen Klopp: ‘I want a team full of Scoucers’

    Russian ice cream in ‘gay propaganda’ row

    Coronavirus: Brazil’s President Bolsonaro tests positive

    Sorry, it’s all three of them are genuine.


  48. StewGreen says:

    BBCnews has just been promoting a. 7/7 memorial film
    created by Paul Dadge a Tory hater who just left the Labour Party to work with Greens & Liberals
    The HateyNoHopers retweeted him
    Comments are switched off.


  49. StewGreen says:

    ITV local news just did a 5 minute item
    They did try the”nothing to to with Islam” slant by putting on the Imam
    but he was followed by the Bradford University expert pushed back by saying there were still radicals
    strangely he avoided mentioning Reading.
    The important takeaway shot was Sadiq laying his wreath
    say “we won’t led THEM divide us”
    .. Strange cos he is a divider.


  50. pugnazious says:

    BBC top story….

    ‘Brazil’s President Jair Bolsonaro has tested positive for coronavirus.

    He took the test, his fourth, on Monday after developing symptoms, including a high temperature.

    Mr Bolsonaro has repeatedly played down the risks posed by the virus, calling it “a little flu” and saying that he would not be seriously affected by it.’

    He has also urged regional governors to ease lockdowns, which he says hurt the economy, and on Monday he watered down regulations on wearing face masks.

    Mr Bolsonaro made the announcement in a TV interview on Tuesday. He said the fever he had been experiencing had gone down and that he felt “very well”.

    The president said that he had started experiencing symptoms on Sunday. He said he had had a high temperature, a cough and had felt unwell. ‘

    So…tested positive but is feeling OK…not in intensive care…but BBC getting very excited….telling us ‘people’ were very disappointed, sorry, surprised, he didn’t catch it earlier.

    BBC tells us he ‘belittled’ the threat from Covid19….hmmm…the threat is in fact very small….unless you’re in relatively small high risk groups. So, not ‘belittled’ but took a rational perspective….trying to protect the economy as well as deal with the virus….if only they’d done that here instead of being frightened into lockdown by the media.

    They also tell us…

    ‘He said he was taking hydroxychloroquine – championed by US President Donald Trump – and azithromycin to treat the illness.’

    The BBC reporter stated on 5 Live that there has been absolutely no proof that this works. Hmmmm…this week…