337 Responses to Start the Week Thread 16 March 2020

  1. gb123 says:

    Interesting way to combat hand sanitiser problem.
    Free 500ml to every household. Problem here would be the shysters who would find a way to abuse it and the beeb who would find a way to call it something-ist


    • Up2snuff says:

      gb123, population of 6m in Singapore is a bit different to at least 11 times that – 66million.


      • Guest Who says:

        Comparisons between countries, and certainly island states and countries, is dubious on almost every level.

        However, considering population density, Singapore is worthy of observation, with the state (via the PAP) having a pretty firm control of everything (inc. the media) vs. the kiasu culture of many there.


        • Up2snuff says:

          Yes, Guest, I gather the Police Force in Singapore don’t mess about. You get fined for dropping litter and, especially, dropping chewing gum on pavements.


  2. Darcy3 says:

    Am writing the bbc headline now:
    digitalists and the marginalising of those without hands

    (quite a lot in Saudi Arabia etc but we will ignore that)


  3. Celtic_Mist says:

    What does the BBC never show –


  4. Ian Rushlow says:

    BBC flying a kite for various vested interests in the educational system. Comments, as they say, could be going better.

    e.g. Didn’t feel “chaos or confusion” this morning when my children and my teacher wife went to school. A bit of grown up reporting please BBC without sensationalist wording. Yes we have an undeniably big event on the horizon but as our nationally funded broadcaster you have an inherent responsibility to reflect reality which as of now is the majority of schools calmly continuing to teach our children.



  5. StewGreen says:

    I’m having to read The-i
    TV reviewer Sarah Hughs
    Imagine sitting a child down and telling them that, once upon a time, the whole world gathered around their television sets to watch men make comments about pretty girls in bathing suits before deciding which of them was the most beautiful.
    It doesn’t sound believable – and yet, for a while during the 60s and 70s, the Miss World competition was one of the biggest events of the TV calendar,

    Sarah. ITV’s most lucrative current show
    .. is Love Island .. it’s pretty close to what you described


  6. theisland says:

    And so say all of us.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Maybe the BBC should replace ‘ members of the public ‘ with their own staff – wouldn’t notice the difference – I understand – in most weeks .

      But I’d still go with Mr Vance .
      For the BBC – when information – facts – are really important – one knows that beneath the 24/7 repeating lies the propaganda stream being fed in all the time .

      Richie Sunnak is to do another budget at 1900 Tuesday – what ever he says and does will be rubbished by the BBC and those it puts on programmes .


    • Up2snuff says:

      ti, I’m operating the OFF switch on a lot of R4’s N&CA (ie TOADY, TWatO, TWiT) at present because these so-called ‘news’ programmes have become pure comedy. They charge TV watchers £157.50 from 1 April and rake in a guaranteed £3.4bn although I suspect that figure is falling by the day.

      Despite that colossal ‘free’ income, they cannot produce thoughtful, serious, balanced journalism.

      Example: Peter Hennessy (a Peer!) invited to display his brainlessness on TWatO today. “We haven’t lived through a collective experience like this as a nation since WW2.”

      Er, Peter. Yes, we have. You’ve already hinted at its existence and common name. It was called an EU Referendum and is now known as Brexit.


      • Fedup2 says:

        I disagree – prof Hennessy is one of those rare ( cross bench ) academics who has been around the block and talks sense.

        The virus has become bigger than brexit and obviously has a global range as opposed to brexit – which was a ‘ local ‘ issue .

        As for listening the the BBC – I prefer lies , exaggerations from other sources these days ….


        • Oldspeaker says:

          Still waiting for BBC, or anyone, to ask some valid questions about the outbreak. Countless funds sunk and vanished into bio weaponry when all it takes is for someone to eat a bat.
          Want to shut down the world? Eat a bat.


        • Up2snuff says:

          Fed, you make a different point. You are thinking globally and what you say is true in that context. Peter Hennessy was talking about the UK. ‘We haven’t … ‘.

          The EU Referendum was not a global event.


    • G.W.F. says:

      the island

      But but, the QT audience are kept in a cellar jammed together and only allowed up for the programme where they do sit apart from each other.


  7. BRISSLES says:

    Ok, if this has been reprinted before, apologies, but I couldn’t stop laughing, and we all need a chuckle…………

    TOM HANKS survived 4 years on an island as a castaway
    He spent a year in an airport without being able to leave
    Caught AIDS in Philadelphia
    He was in WW11 and rescued Private Ryan
    He went to Vietnam and rescued Lt Dan
    Was on a boat kidnapped by Somali pirates
    Survived Apollo 13 trying to reach the Moon
    Landed a Boeing on the Hudson River.

    So if that son of a bitch dies of Coronavirus, we’re ALL f……d !!!!


    • taffman says:

      The nation has not had a good laugh for a long time and it certainly needs it now – ‘laughter is the best medicine’. It certainly helped this great nation through WW2.
      Unfortunately we will not get it from Al Beeb. Al Beeb does not do comedy.
      Scrap it !


      • Up2snuff says:

        taffman and Brissles,

        BBC Radio 4 Extra 7pm tonight The Goon Show – a good one. Very apposite for the present situation. Brilliant scheduling by the BBC. (Actually, a complete accident.)


  8. JamesArthur says:

    R4 news Laura BBC Kuensberg.. first question to Government after they announce huge support- “does the scientific adviser REGRET not taking more draconian actions earlier.”.. as usual looking for the sound bite….they rightly ignored it…

    Not a positive response from BBC to a positive approach from Govt..just nit picking…


    • taffman says:

      Here is a positive response from me – Scrap Foreign Aid and spend it on Great Britain .
      How much money does the UK get from Foreign Aid when it has a problem ?


    • JimS says:

      Scientific adviser to Laura K. “Does the BBC regret advocating mass immigration and open borders since WW2?”


  9. pugnazious says:

    So…a massively massive £330 bn rescue package to support those businesses the govt is busy destroying right now……all so that the NHS isn’t overwhelmed by the supposed mass casualty [100’s of thousands of dead] scenario the government is putting out.

    Hmmm…maybe Kuenssberg’s first question should have been why, instead of closing Britain down, money isn’t just poured into the NHS so that it can actually cope with any possible number of coronavirus victims?

    Now that the government is trying to suppress the virus rather than let it infect and immunise mainly fit people who will probably not suffer much of an illness, what happens when the suppression stops and no-one has that fabled herd immunity…the virus breaks out again and it all starts again?….years and years of suppression and oppression?

    Katy Balls in the Spectator…

    ‘The government’s initial strategy was to mitigate the virus and allow for a controlled peak of the virus in the summer – around June – and in the build up cocoon vulnerable sections of society so as to reduce fatalities. On Monday, Johnson drastically increased social distancing measures affecting the whole country – from working from home to avoiding pubs and restaurants. A report from the Imperial College Covid-19 response team advising the government has revealed some of the thinking behind the approach.

    They modelled different strategies for dealing with the coronavirus. The first – to do nothing – would result in 81 per cent of the population becoming infected and 510,000 deaths by August. The second was mitigation – which is what the government appears to have been practising over the past week – by protecting vulnerable groups which would likely result in 250,000 deaths as the infections would overwhelm intensive care. Feeding into the revised effectiveness of the mitigation strategy is intelligence from Italy that shows a much higher percentage than anticipated who become infected require intensive care – with around 30 per cent requiring ventilators or ECMO machines. This information has changed the calculations being made over the NHS’s ability to respond.

    The third response is that which is currently being practised in China: suppression. This involves countries going into lockdown and extreme social distancing. If practised, the report suggests it could limit fatalities to tens of thousands if not thousands – ‘suppression is the only viable strategy at the current time’. However, the big issue with suppression is there is no end date. Given that it doesn’t lead to herd immunity, it rests on a vaccination arriving sooner rather than later. The report estimates that this could take 18 months – as soon as you lift the measures there is an expectation that the virus will spread again.’


    • StewGreen says:

      The message to the markets are
      “biz can draw on unlimited loans”
      … However Boris didn’t say what the charges would be

      .. Our pensions own most UK biz, so the interest rates will eat into share value, and pension value.

      I’m guessing actual loans will not be anywhere near £300bn


    • BRISSLES says:

      Pug, we all know that the NHS is a bloody money pit ! Trillions have been poured into it over the past decades and its still no better off ! Its always more, more, more regardless of which party is in power.

      The institution needs a complete overhaul with someone at the top who has a business mind and experience, instead of the one time nurses who make up most of the admin staff – did you know that ?

      I worked for years in the NHS and was staggered to learn that when nurses can no longer climb the ladder after reaching their top pay grade, they take an administrative course and forego their medical training to move sideways in order to climb further up the ladder, thus earning more money. I made the comment to one ‘ex’ nurse, that I wouldn’t dream of putting myself on the ward without training, so why do they think they can do admin work without similar experience ?

      The Chief Exec of the hospital I worked at was exactly that – an ex mental health nurse, yet here he was, managing a budget of millions. When we wanted some shelves putting up in the photocopying room, nothing fancy, just a couple of shelves for the paper, the cost was…….. just under £600 SIX HUNDRED POUNDS !!!! It doesn’t take a mathematician to work out how much money is wasted throughout the NHS.

      So, next time you hear that we are short of thousands of nurses, and doctors (locums who ‘holiday’ from other hospitals can command nonsensical amounts for a 2 week shift), just give a wry smile, because its a money drain with no one at the top in overall charge to say enough is enough !


    • Celtic_Mist says:

      Pug, I wonder where they get the 510,000 deaths from? The BBC showed some very complicated formulas supposedly used in the ‘modeling’. Actually, very good scientific estimates can be made from a few facts and a bit of logic with answers accurate to less than one order of magnitude.

      At least that is what I was taught, so, how many of the population are over seventy and have a potentially serious health condition? There are some unknowns eg what percentage of the above group do not get infected? etc etc. All models though are based on a number of assumptions..

      I agree with your conclusion which is that (unless a vaccine is found) this could go on for a very long time

      In 2018, 18% of the total UK population was aged 65 years and over

      It could be that the government is ‘betting the ranch’ on a vaccine?


      • Celtic_Mist says:

        Pug, I think this is Boris’s ‘Churchill’ moment – Churchill was ruthless – the ‘group’ everyone seems soo concerned about could end up being thrown under the ‘Clapham omnibus’..

        That would solve a lot of problems, inc NHS – which makes me a conspiracy theorist!


  10. JamesArthur says:

    Evan Davis – speaking to Jeremy Hunt ( a well known virologist and expert mathematician)…asks ‘ You were critical of the Government, how much of a mistake do you think they made not doing…’

    Fortunately he didn’t bite..
    What is it with the BBC trying to undermine the Government at every turn..


    • taffman says:

      Al Beeb is behaving like a cornered animal. Perhaps it knows that its end is nigh?


    • Fedup2 says:

      Yes let’s undermine the government and strengthen those who are panicked – nihilism – perhaps they have an alternative government in mind which has a long record of dealing with viral pandemics –
      Tell you what – I’ll have a think – and get back to you .

      If only hitler had the modern form of BBC on his side – needn’t have bothered with all that tedious effort about Dunkirk – should have left em to it says BBC .


  11. StewGreen says:

    I checked on the rumour saying that today a lot of airlines stopped flying.

    That appears NOT to be true
    eg a Polish charter airline stewardess is saying her airline is doing 100 flights this week
    as they bring people back to Poland

    And lots of Ryan Air customers are complaining their flights to Spain are still running, even though the bars & restaurants are closed.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Stew – I was meant to be flying next week and BA haven’t cancelled the flight yet – but they ve offered refunds and rebooking …. which is only fair …..


    • StewGreen says:

      Ah I see the airlines are planning to be grounded from April.
      I see my father has watched SkyNews and got convinced it was right now.


  12. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Did some shopping this morning. Saw a guy who’s trolley was full to the brim with hand sanitizers, baby wipes, toilet roll, soaps, everything that people need. I called him a selfish twat & gave him the low down about the elderly and mums etc who badly need those types of things. Told him he should be ashamed of himself. He said: “that’s all good and well mate but I work here, can I carry on filling the shelves now?”


  13. StewGreen says:

    The extended Misinformation At Six
    is laying it on thick
    hushed voiceover ..”All around the country people are focused on this …blah blah
    (shows empty street)
    .. but with a few frames there is a square with a load of people sitting on park bench
    .. clearly they are NOT focused on Corona virus”


  14. Guest Who says:

    Only the national disgrace…


    From elbow greetings to hand-washing songs, celebs like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Naomi Campbell are offering their own versions of virus advice.

    (Via BBC Entertainment News) bbc.in/2x5UZjS


  15. StewGreen says:

    Times : Thousands of Muslim men have been forced to sign “good behaviour” bonds by police or face arrest as part of a crackdown on protests

    … in India


  16. theisland says:

    UK ‘prepares to seek Brexit transition extension’ as coronavirus crisis grows [Telegraph]

    Please let this be fake news.


    • The WestWyvern says:

      Yup, I went to the Anti-BBC corona panic website as I thought they’d be all over a possible positive negative regarding Brexit.
      Buried amongst the hyperbole and general doom was a update regarding Brexit Extension Period NOT being extended confirmed government.
      There will be a change in the methods of negotiating but the virus will not be used as an excuse to alter deadlines.

      I’d post a link but I’m not that techy, plus the website is a sea of hysteria best avoided in my view.

      Good news, confirmed cases in Italy have reduced, apparently.


  17. StewGreen says:

    I wonder if some people have caught the virus today from being in crowded supermarkets


    • Fedup2 says:

      Stew – it does seem ironic that baskets and trolleys are not cleaned – nor much sign of hand cleaner liquid in the places which are meant to sell the stuff ….


  18. Jack in the Green says:

    Just when you thought it couldn’t get worse a horribly familiar face turns up on my screen. Yes, you’ve got it, the horribly entitled thing looking like an alien from the original Star Trek……iiiiiiiiiiiiits JOAN BAKEWELL! The usual I can cope, I don’t need a free TVL, fuel payment, why aren’t the over 70s happy as a smug little bee like me, make them subject to martial law because it won’t apply to ermine-clad me blah, blah, blah. The BBC – Striving to alienate the entire population because us horrible plebs are at the heart of everything you do, ie trebles all round using our cash.
    Well please keep it up and, hopefully, hasten your own destruction.


  19. Swelter says:

    The bBBC seem to be trying to undermine the governments efforts to combat Corona virus at every turn and I have the horrible feeling that this emergency is a gift to the Left .. I’m also beginning to feel that I am stuck in a straight to DVD disaster movie.


  20. Fedup2 says:

    I’m a fan of alternative historical events . So just imagine if comrade Corbyn had won the General Election and his front bench was now trying to deal with the Chinese Virus …..

    You can see that the BoJo government is having trouble deciding how draconian to be – with the MSM hounding it to impose laws and close the schools – which , I submit , is now inevitable – and probably by the end of this week .

    I think there are good reasons for not having shut them already which might be unpalatable if made public .

    As I write Richy the Sunak is being told off by Speaker Hoyle for not announcing the latest financing to the Commons first . Quite right and he has apologised ….


    • The WestWyvern says:

      Interesting HYS regarding the school closures, or not, on the Anti-BBC corona panic and hysteria website.

      The top ten highest rated all lambast the ‘nations most trusted’ for creating hysteria and panic with their ridiculous screeching and crowing disguised as so called ‘reporting’

      Good to see many in agreement with the sentiments expressed on this site.

      What’s say you Maxi-Troll/Piku ?


  21. vlad says:

    Another lone wolf not as ‘lone’ as all that.

    “The brother of Manchester Arena bomber Salman Abedi has been found guilty of murdering 22 people.”


    • Thoughtful says:

      A ludicrous crass decision of greed ridden lawyers who have benefitted at the countries expense, and have as a result have put every one in the country at much greater risk.

      The greedy weasels should first have been made to agree that when he was inevitably found guilty he could have served his imprisonment in Libya.

      Instead now he will serve around 15 years in a cushy hotel with ample opportunity to glorify himself, and indoctrinate others with his foul religion.

      Following that he will undoubtedly employ more greedy weasels again at our expense so he can remain in the UK whilst all the time inspiring others to emulate his own actions.

      Who needs Islamic Jihad when you have the British legal system which will kill you much more effectively and profit from it, while all the time denying it has done anything wrong, and depriving the citizens of the country access to ‘justice’ via legal aid.


      • StewGreen says:

        And they bought the bomb materials with the benefit money that flowed into their mother’s bank account
        even though she’d moved back to Libya months earlier.


  22. Thoughtful says:

    How come coronavirus only kills men and women? Are the other 20 genders the BBC tells us exists immune to it?


  23. StewGreen says:

    7pm BBC they have a race/travel show down Central America’s , Gringo Trail
    As ever the BBC random selector has selected disproportionate BAME
    .. but the main thing is that all of these clueless travellers don’t speak Spanish.
    FFS that is asking for trouble ,
    .. as is the BBC requirement that they have to carry only cash

    … So the 47yo black guy stepped off his bus had a burger and suddenly realised he didn’t have his money belt.

    I guessing he hugged a pickpocket.
    Central America isn’t the Cotswolds


  24. Fedup2 says:

    The BBC is taking the Daily Politics show off as well as the Andrew Neil Show ‘because of the Chinese bug ‘. So what’s that all about . ?


    • pugnazious says:

      Guess short-staffed….


    • vlad says:

      Good riddance. They could scrap all their news shows and no-one would be any the worse – quite the opposite. A useless parasitic bunch.


  25. StewGreen says:

    “Amazon is hiring an extra 100,000 workers in the United States to handle a flood of new orders in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic”


  26. Fedup2 says:

    Dow Jones up over 1000 points (5%) at 2020 London time – wow


  27. StewGreen says:

    Giving the new C5 drama a chance
    about a 19 yo boy who died swimming on a Thai beach
    … a few minutes in the girlfriend appears
    she appears to be black British.

    and looks likes the white boys sister is an alcoholic junky.
    The white father (Neil Morrissey) is in the doghouse over adultery.. oh the wife just kicked him out.

    Oh the priest is Alim Malek.. another BAME


    • StewGreen says:

      Enough the dramatic tension is provided by introducing a working class white victim guy as lodger and daughters babysitter.
      He’s the same age as the dead son, and soon the mother and he have sexual feelings for each other
      actually he has a tinge of creepiness about him
      but if you sex reversed the roles it would be like the father having sex with someone the same age his 20 yo daughter
      .. and surely most people would say that is wrong ?


  28. Up2snuff says:

    The supermarkets are currently ‘coining it’ as ‘they’ say. Might actually keep the UK out of recession.


    • Up2snuff says:

      The next (economic) thing that ought to happen is for the petrol and diesel prices to fall in the UK. They have eased down a little.

      The oil traders and refineries are either currently not passing on the effect of the lower oil price to retailers – or – retailers are using cheaper wholesale prices to build themselves a cash buffer in case road traffic faces a severe reduction for whatever reason.

      When road fuel prices fall, they will help the delivery companies, Royal Mail, other carriers, supermarkets and the online retailers.


  29. pugnazious says:

    Shame someone with high profile, influence and some balls doesn’t stand up and say the same here as the country is hijacked and destroyed…..


    Spiked on a similar theme….


    ‘Apocalypticism is a luxury of the new elites for whom crises are often little more than opportunities for the expression of their decadent disdain for modern society. To the rest of us, apocalypticism is a profound problem. It threatens to spread fear in our communities, it causes us to lose our jobs, it mitigates against economic growth, and it harms democracy itself. Resisting the apocalypticism of the comfortable doom-mongers who rule over us is unquestionably the first step to challenging Covid-19 and preserving society for the decades after this illness has wreaked its disgraceful impact.’


  30. Despairada says:

    To make you smile:

    from Richard Littlejohn’s column today:

    ….. follow the frugal example of Pongo Harris, the walking health hazard from Minder, played by the late William Simons, who was hired by Arthur to supply toilet requisites to a hotel in Willesden.

    ‘Extra-length, four-ply, colours various,’ says Pongo, opening the rear doors of his rusting Transit.

    ‘Top notch gear is it, Pongo?’ asks Terry.

    ‘Wouldn’t know, Terry,’ says Pongo. ‘I never use the stuff myself.’


  31. Foscari says:

    Did anybody else listen to the BBC’S Clive Myrie being
    facetious over the £340 billion coronavirus emergency
    The BBC has become the official opposition to the elected
    government of the UK. I don’t know whom I despise more
    the BBC or the “creators” of Wuhan coronavirus pandemic .
    Which ever country Wuhan is in. And of course the fact that where ever Wuhan is,it has largest laboratory for biological “problems” in the country.
    It is named The Wuhan Institute of Virology. But of course all of this is just a coincidence.
    Or that a major general is in charge of the “establishment.”


  32. Dystopian says:

    BBC yet again using EastEnders as a platform for shit stirring and race baiting. In times like these we should all be pulling together but all the BBC want to do is sow the seeds of disharmony.
    Black guy on EastEnders telling his young daughter that she will be seen as different “bcos she is black init”


  33. Stevo says:

    The quality of BBC journalism is appalling. They are so stupid they do not see these loans that the government is prepared to offer are simply that loans with interest payable. The grants and tax cuts amount to £20 billion. Circa half the amount we are giving to the EU.
    I run a small business with a turnover of circa half a million.
    The possibility of securing a grant of £10,000 will cover the fixed costs of about 2 weeks. Nothing else has been offered. Absolutely pathetic and the BBC who spend most of their time criticising the Government for no reason can’t see the reality of the latest measures.
    I am horrified!


  34. Stevo says:

    The quality of BBC journalism is appalling. They are so stupid they do not see these loans that the government is prepared to offer are simply that loans with interest payable. The grants and tax cuts amount to £20 billion. Circa half the amount we are giving to the EU.
    I run a small business with a turnover of circa half a million.
    The possibility of securing a grant of £10,000 will cover the fixed costs of about 2 weeks. Nothing else has been offered. Absolutely pathetic and the BBC who spend most of their time criticising the Government for no reason can’t see the reality of the latest measures.
    I am horrified!


  35. Fedup2 says:

    Time for the midweek thread .


  36. StewGreen says:

    Re School closng the BBC is campaigning hard against Boris
    They have a new HYS
    Coronavirus: Many schools ‘will have to shut in days’

    And again in the top comments BBCnews gets a second kicking



  37. Celtic_Mist says:

    Why report anything that appears to be normal?
    (BBC excluded the exchange in it’s reporting)


  38. Celtic_Mist says:

    Again, not covered by the BBC –
    Chinese propaganda machine’s racist allegation (Chinese Virus)


  39. Celtic_Mist says:

    The left ‘liberal’ BBC hates Fox News –


    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Britain, too, is extremely complacent about China. FROM THE HAUWEI DEBACLE TO THE Chinese BUILDING OUR NEW BRADWELL/SIZEWELL NUCLEAR REACTORS. Like inviting the Nazis to build our Spitfires and Hurricanes in WW2! Can we really not build our own? How PATHETIC!! And 5G? Can’t do it? Doubly pathetic. Britain, once the technical/industrial leader in the world! Obviously complacency and (deliberate?) neglect?
      We desperately need a Fox News and Tucker Carlson, Judge Janine etc. to counter the bbc propaganda machine, which will -to say the least- whitewash China, their Communist heroes.
      No, Trump will continue getting it in the neck, instead.
      White House? BAD, John Sopel, O Donoghue and co will tell you. Guilty of all sorts of high crimes and misdemeanours. A little thing like the President being found not guilty won’t put beeb off.
      SO do not believe bbc propaganda, posing as news and comment, and -in particular- a programme like Toady – the most biased, along with Carolyn Quinn’s Sunday night ‘Westminster Hour’.


      • G says:

        Yes, I have fond memories as a young man, working on the Oldbury Power Station in Gloucestershire in the early 60’s. The main contractor was, Sir Lindsay Parkinson – British. The only foreign element was the Sikh/Hindu (don’t recall which was which) workforce who crafted the steel reinforcing for the reactor bases. Oldbury commenced generation in 1967 and ceased in 2012 – 45 solid years – problem free. A testament to British design and workmanship (apart from the reinforcing….).


  40. Lord Blagger says:

    Well some good news. I won a complaint against the BBC and they reinstated a post.

    I posted that it was immoral and fascist for a private company, the BBC, to be prosecuting and having people jailed for not paying it.

    Not surprising really that the BBC pulled it. You can’t have people pointing out what the BBC is really like on their own website. Otherwise you can’t claim its what people want.

    So I appealed, went through line by line, against their posting guidelines. It was put back up.

    So in conclusion, its clear the BBC think they are fascist.