Weekend Thread 14 March 2020

How will the BBC continue to report the ongoing pandemic ? Play the blame game ? Concentrate of failures ? Tell us with glee how other countries are better than us ? Take your pick …meanwhile the consultation on the funding of the BBC has about 2 weeks to go – here is the link to the Government site .


And these are the questions in the suggested ‘structured ‘ reply
( which you will find if you go through the consultation );

Why do you consider that the TV licence evasion should no longer be criminal offence?

If you have a view, what alternative enforcement scheme models do you consider to be most appropriate? Why?

What steps could the Government take to mitigate any impacts that may result from decriminalisation of TV licence evasion?

Lots of people just want the BBC gone – but this is , perhaps , a first step …

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383 Responses to Weekend Thread 14 March 2020

  1. NISA says:

    The BBC journalists, keen to show solidarity with the Schengen Area, are pleased that pressing Trump to include the UK in his travel ban appears to be paying off. Trump accepts that numbers have risen fast in the UK, maybe prompting a revision of his policy.
    However infection rates here (12 per million) are still a fraction of those in France (56), Germany (44), Spain (112), Netherlands (47), Denmark(139), Switzerland(132), Italy (292).


  2. JamesArthur says:

    Sorry for another post – but wife called me down…and BBC Newswatch on..they start with viewers calling them out on their language and stories that are adding to the hysteria….on coronavirus
    and then for some inexplicable reason they switch to their Young Reporter story on upskirting – have the young girl in to push her agenda and completely ignore the criticisms raised by the viewers

    So basically they said – viewers think this and we don’t give toss…lets promote something to the Yoof…


    • Guest Who says:

      She does win awards though.


      • StewGreen says:

        BTW That photo is zoomable
        and I could photoshop the certificate

        .. but I do disapprove of dumbing a full colour complex world into simplistic labels like award winner or not.

        The Wokerati are all there in that Twitter thread praising her.


    • StewGreen says:

      @James Whatever the actual title and proper topic of a BBC show that is secondary.
      The main purpose of BBC shows is to push BBC-bourgeoisie-agenda using the money the rest of us paid
      HATE-Trump, HATE-Brexit, HATE-Non-Open-Borders, LOVE-TheGreenDream, SpecialVictimhoodGroups are more more equal, Tories-Are-Bad Woke-Woke-Woke etc.


  3. Dover Sentry says:

    At least our glorious and impartial BBC has no time to attack Brexit.

    Reading between the lines, are they hoping that The Donald will meet his end with the Corona Virus?


    • Up2snuff says:

      DS, “Reading between the lines, are they hoping that The Donald will meet his end with the Corona Virus?”

      It could cut a swathe through BH in W1A; many tube & bus travellers working there + all those passing through the doors every day who have travelled via flying incubators from far flung parts of the world.


  4. Guest Who says:

    Don’t know if the medical expertise here matches that of a TDS bbc reporter, but noting this seems the favoured bash stat at the bbc.

    Bbc News

    South Korea is testing 20,000 people for coronavirus every day — and could be a role model for others.

    Leaving aside that ‘could’, I am intrigued by the faith in ‘testing’ as an absolute.

    Does this mean if you lob up at a hospital, get tested, cleared, and then go and lick Justin’s knob, you are not counted as a carrier?


  5. Fedup2 says:

    Another ‘plus’ is the light has been turned off ‘Joan of arc’ – or that mentally disturbed Scandinavian teenager …..

    And as for POTUS- I think the bbc droids will be dreaming of the A25 constitutional removal from power – again …..

    As for the bug – I can’t see how stopping big crowds next weekend makes sense with schools still open ….


    • Dover Sentry says:


      Without the use of the BBC Megaphone for grandstanding, the EU might just accept their fate.

      As for the Virus. You can run but you can’t hide. We’ll all be exposed to it at some time. The stats are not complete but it could be that the death rate will be far smaller than projected.

      And by then, Brexit will be over. 🙂


      • NISA says:

        How the remainers must be cursing their luck, if the Angel of Death had been summoned for the elderly just a few months earlier they may have permanently frustrated the referendum result.


    • G.W.F. says:

      Keeping the schools open might assist the spread of the virus by yang people who will only have a mild dose. But they can spread it to us useless eaters, the over seventies who are a burden on the state, and more likely to be critical of the Government’s green nonsense than yang school children.


      • Up2snuff says:

        G.W.F., yes but, no but … the aged are 1. the ones paying taxes, esp. if successful in their chosen spheres, 2. keeping various bits of the economy going with their spending, their downsizing etc. and 3. voting.

        No Party of sound mind, in government, will kill off its electorate.


  6. G says:

    Toady tells me that the hotel owners and ‘Hospitality’ sector are bleating about loss of revenue. Good ‘ol taxpayer (aka Government) can foot the bill they say.
    I hope when and if the emergency is resolved UK Plc seeks financial compensation from China.


    • Guest Who says:

      Always intrigued by which businesses are deemed worthy of propping up via public largesse, and who is left to struggle alone… in Beeb eyes.

      Luckily their funding model is unique enough all staff could self isolate and still enjoy full benefits.


      • StewGreen says:

        Whatever crisis most people are on a salary so will spend it on something else if they don’t use for flights and hotel.
        Money will continue to flow in the economy.
        As one door closes another one opens.


    • smoogie7 says:

      I work in a hotel and there has been a decline but that does not stop people turning up like it is a normal holiday. I feel a bit annoyed as these people are unintentionally being selfish.

      Stay home if you can. My area, Bournemouth has very few cases but a large retirement population. I hope that it can stay that way somewhat but of course the young and younger side of middle age see no problem turning up.

      Even saw one guy with a nice jacket on a coat hook. Must be off to a nice party somewhere. Not impressed.


  7. StewGreen says:

    8am local red-io news opened with new on Covid19 & mass gatherings.
    Was the clip a Tory voice or Labour voice ?
    … Labour of course.

    Then Climate news : “There are not enough people trained to plant trees.”

    … Yeh just like there not enough people people with degrees in bin emptying.


    • Up2snuff says:

      Yes, I heard that item, Stew, and I was amazed just like you. It’s not a difficult job. One supermarket near me was flogging fruit trees for, I think, a penny short of £13 recently. No doubt there were some instructions inside the packet. Lots of home gardeners will have been planting those trees with varying levels of success.

      No mention by BBC N&CA about training people on the job. Teaching others how to do something. Learning a new skill.

      No. Just a complete snowflake response of panic “We haven’t got people to do it. Our borders are closing. Where will we get people from?* Panic! Aaaaaargggghhhhh!!”

      Pathetic. It was another reason for my switching off the radio. Please see below. Anyway, I need a cup of tea to fuel my next ‘A Hitchhikers Guide to the Pandemic – Rule #2’. I’m off to Phytoo Seven in the Supermarket Nebula to see if there is a space in a kitchen where there is no panic.

      I need some peace and quiet for the Great Tea Ceremony of Tsafkaerb in order to keep my creativity levels up.

      * Where do people come from normally? Are we completely incapable of making our own? And teaching them stuff?


      • Beltane says:

        Trees were initially supplied with full planting instructions Up2 but after complaints about the use of the word ‘spade’ they were withdrawn.


        • Scroblene says:

          Ha ha ha, Belters! Fabulous!

          The instructions were also printed in seventeen different languages and had a DVD attached to the trunk, translated into forty-nine versions of some gibberish not normally spoken by true Brits!

          By the time the bloody tree got planted, it had died of boredom…


          • Up2snuff says:

            Am having trouble applying fingers to keyboard at present, am laughing so much. Yes, I can think of several Irish jokes right now but they are all verboten, as is the use of the word verboten but I can claim Bluebottle privilege for that and use it anyway.

            I was handed some green paper towels one time by a friend who asked if I knew which way to put them in the cloakroom dispenser. My reply was “Green side up, right?”


  8. Up2snuff says:

    A Hitchhikers Guide to the Pandemic – Rule #1 – Don’t panic!

    The BBC on R4’s TOADY are in full panic mode this morning. You can hear it in their voices. I think an important fact has dawned on them in their subconscious minds but they wish to deny it.

    The fact is this: the Government and Chris Witty and Sir Patrick Vallance are having ‘a good war’, the BBC are having ‘a bad war’.

    Because of various inbuilt, ingrained, attitudes at the BBC they realise they have already blown it and the bulk of the population who consider and think about such things (definitely a minority of the UK as a whole but probably a growing one) are realising the BBC are well-past their sell-by and use-by dates.

    The N&CA part of the Beeb has taken an anti-(Conservative Party) Government position and it has led the BBC up a narrow alley which has a dead end ahead. The surroundings are high buildings. The BBC is now stuck down that alley, with nowhere to go.

    The 8.10 a.m. interview slot on TOADY is the high point of the programme. This morning it descended to about seventeen notches below banal.

    I just had to switch off.


    • Old Goat says:

      I never switch on, and feel refreshed for not having done so. Same with all television and radio news. Not interested, don’t watch or listen to the hours of biased, opinionated drivel they push out. I LOOK for the news on line, in places where the MSM wouldn’t dream of going. Consequently I am far better informed.


      • Up2snuff says:

        OG, who do you listen to en France? Am assuming you and Mrs Old Goat and any visiting kids will be fluent-ish in the Francophile Department and will therefore be able to listen to indigenous news providers. What do you use on the InterWebby in the English language?

        Am thinking if the BBC Radio N&CA carries on as it did this a.m., the Snuffy household will also have to hunt out some digi alternatives to the BBC.

        It was truly dire.


        • Old Goat says:

          Neither of us are fluent. We watch very little French television – it’s even more dire than your own. The news is just as heavily biased and opinionated, so we avoid that, too (well, I do, Mme Goat isn’t so picky…).

          I tend to follow Fox and Breitbart, and a number of pundits on Youtube (like The Duran, Steve Turley, Lionel Nation and ‘Spoonclank’), but there are good news sources out there to be found. The MSM is a complete waste of time, and expletives.


          • Up2snuff says:

            Ta, thanks for the tips OG. I did resort to Al-J for a different take on Syria a few years ago as an alternative to our Orla.


  9. john in cheshire says:

    I’m assuming this report on the release from prison of Chelsea Manning is correct. Has the racist far-left bbc mentioned it? He’s a brave man, sticking to his principles:



  10. tarien says:

    I could not believe what I was hearing on the BBC news this morning that, Britain is expecting to plant millions of trees but can’t at present find enough skilled persons to do the work-I have planted a few in my time and really it does not take any special skill-whatever is needed to make the plant can be shown in a few minutes-so I might ask as no doubt you would also, can’t they, the authorities engage all those persons in good health currently unemployed, all Prisoners, and Students in their holiday periods, Boy Scouts and Girl Guides; goodness it really beats cock fighting to hear these drips, no wonder this nation is falling apart.


    • Up2snuff says:

      I share your despair, tarien.

      I’ve seen this tree planting thing done in various places. The holes are dug in rows by a machine. Another machine, can be a forklift or a mechanical digger comes along carrying a pile of saplings, covered in two plastic protection tubes. The human effort and skill is in remembering which tube to pull off: the top one or bottom one and then plonking the correct end in the ground and tamping the earth over the roots with a well aimed foot in a welly.

      The next most technical bit is putting a note in the Local Authority diary for about five to ten years ahead. Said note needs to remind some Herbert to watch out for:
      1. Weather. ie. In periods of drought when saplings may need some additional water
      2. Rabbits and other potential consumers of tasty saplings. ie These pests may try and remove the plastic protection tubes in order to reach the feast awaiting underneath.
      3. Anno Domini. ie. Sooner or later the plantation will need to be thinned out and re-spaced. This latter point, sadly, is often forgotten and I’ve seen a whole bunch of trees in one location discarded purely because they had been ‘forgotten’. Either that, or they have grown out and killed adjacent trees over the fight for water. You can see this along motorways and new roads where lack of ongoing maintenance has led to a high rate of attrition.

      There is a plantation near where I live now and it is one I pass quite regularly. Just t’other day I was pleased to see Herbert had sent out a-man-in-a-hi-viz to tackle point 2. above and probably report back to Herbert on point 3, as well. Dealing with point 1. has, sadly, been quite unnecessary for several months. In fact, some saplings have been heard moaning quietly, during the recent wind and rain, that no-one has brought them umbrellas.

      I await developments.

      Whether I remember or survive long enough to report on them is another matter.


  11. AnneG says:

    BBC folk have started to use the word ‘optics’ in their reports.
    I appreciate the importance to them of getting the correct measure of spirit in the pub or restaurant, after a hard days ‘reporting’ but its a meaningless word.
    Surely they are not aping the american political system who do use the word to mean public perception. A new buzz word to listen out for.


    • G says:

      “I appreciate the importance to them of getting the correct measure of spirit in the pub or restaurant, after a hard days ‘reporting’ but its a meaningless word.”
      As I see it, the current crop of, ‘reporters’ would be too young to drink in a pub………….


  12. Jeff says:

    No BBC for me this evening, I’m venturing out. We have a family get together and my attendance is compulsory. Though, to be honest, I’m not looking forward to it. On balance I think I’d rather suffer another gloomy episode of Hidden, but…
    It’s not the dreaded corona-virus that worries me, it’s some of my family. One of my cousins is very flirty and overly affectionate. It’s embarrassing.
    It’s always the same. I’ll be met with “Ooh, Jeffrey, come here you gorgeous hunk, let me look at you.”…Only my mum ever called me Jeffrey…and that was when I was in trouble…
    I’ll be enveloped in a fragrant embrace. I’ll be inappropriately squeezed, smothered with kisses, left cheek, right cheek and if I’m really lucky a big wet smacker right on the lips.

    I just hope this time he’s shaved…


  13. Scroblene says:

    As a crossword ‘nerd’, I reckon the word ‘Panic’ comes from the word ‘Pandemic’, but without the Democracy…


  14. StewGreen says:

    The WOKE-media are so NOT awake
    “Recently I was accused of writing an obvious hoax piece for the Independent under the pseudonym ‘Liam Evans’ which called for offensive comedians to be prosecuted for hate speech.
    The intention was clearly to expose the way in which certain outlets will publish any old nonsense by anyone at all, so long as it is sufficiently woke.
    About the authorship I couldn’t possibly comment, but by an incredible coincidence if you take the fourth letter of every sentence of the article it spells out ‘Titania McGrath wrote this you gullible hacks’.
    …. It does I checked

    It’s explained in this video direct link to minute 20

    There is a much longer Sun video


  15. cromwell says:

    Good morning all you good people, I haven’t been posting for a while as I have been quite poorly, not with that dreaded virus but with its mate. Horrible, left me very weak but I was able to read all your posts and I thank you all for the informative and sometimes hilarious items. You kept me sane as I refuse to watch lying BBC, sky or ITV. Anyway just wanted to say I’m in the land of the living again. I was spurred on to recover when I was threatened with a stay at Glan Clwyd Hospital in north Wales as I hadn’t updated my will. Cheers to everyone, stay safe.


    • Up2snuff says:

      Sorry to hear that, cromwell. Some on here are getting a bit rebellious and might need someone with a name like yours as cannon fodder .. errr, …. sorry, …. I mean up front in a position of leadership. (grovel, grovel)

      Get well soon and keep taking the posts.

      They say laughter is good for the soul and I’ve had a hearty chuckle up to the point of near insensibility, on here this morning.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Yes – sorry to hear that Cromwell – I know the feeling – when I get the flu I really get it and can take 3 weeks to start to recover so the coming lurgy has an element of dread about it but perspective is necessary .
      Plenty of fluids ….


    • Deborah says:

      Glad to hear Cromwell you are on the mend. I guess you are at the stage where you feel better until you try to do something, then you realise it will take longer to get well. You will get there, just avoid other viruses.


  16. vlad says:

    How very reassuring that among all the corona panic, our lovely reliable beeb still finds time to do a bit of Trump bashing – sorry, fact-checking.

    “Coronavirus: Six of President Trump’s claims fact-checked”



  17. Old Goat says:

    Paris in lockdown, Eiffel Tower and The Louvre closed, nobody about, quiet as the grave…


    • Fedup2 says:

      Not bbc –
      Having returned to UK at the beginning of the week and finding local east londonistan supermarkets generally stocked – today at the big sainsburys – frantic -empty shelves – full car parks – queues to get in and out -.and a feel of panic in the air ….

      I’m guessing that the MSM is largely to blame for this -.


      • Up2snuff says:

        Fed, the supermarkets are doing really well out of this Covid-19. I was in a well-known foreign interloper yesterday, as Runny Honey Correspondent for B-BBC, checking on the run on honey. Am pleased to say there were huge stocks of the golden brown stuff but set honey was not so plentiful.

        The supermarket was packed with people and there was a fair amount of chat and banter between shoppers at the checkouts and the staff. I reckon the supermarkets will be having ‘a good war.’ Tesco haven’t felt the need to send out the usual discount vouchers this month.

        In about three to four months, I can foresee Food Banks around the country groaning under the weight of tinned food and loads of rice & pasta donations.


        • Fedup2 says:

          I’ve always been fascinated by human nature and although I can’t ‘do crowds’ watching the suppressed aggression in checkout queues is a favourite .

          The panic re enforces itself as people coming into the shop see the behaviour of those already ‘in the moment ‘ and the cycle is perpetuated . It’s a bit ‘Christmas eve’ like .

          It’s also fascinating what people go for – toilet paper seems number 1 as it were…

          Re your honey quest – I’ve still got a crop from a couple of years ago before all me bees got a bug ….


  18. TrickCyclist says:

    Football Focus just began on BBC One with a montage of talking heads, including Boris Johnson saying something along the lines of “we see no epidemiological reason for cancelling these events,” immediately followed by a clip of Watford manager Nigel Pearson saying he’s “totally underwhelmed” by the lack of leadership. A few minutes later they showed more of the interview with Pearson where he slagged off the PM some more.


    • StewGreen says:

      Nigel Pearson pointing at other manager
      … he’s on a heading to getting Watford relegated
      a tweet I saw yesterday said


    • Up2snuff says:

      Trick, Lewis Hamilton normally puts his life on the line twenty times a year on alternate weekends but faced with a sniffle and a positive Covid test on one of his team, he was turned into a gibbering snowflake out in Oz.

      C’mon, Lewis! You going to be going that slow that Covid germs will catch you?


      • TrickCyclist says:

        Isn’t Lewis Hamilton supposed to be dyslexic? Maybe he read “coronavirus” and he thinks his car will only go in reverse.
        BTW, with cases of footballers going down with the virus, one of the symptoms is “a new, continuous cough”(NHS). That’s how I feel whenever I hear Burnley manager Sean Dyche being interviewed. . .


  19. StewGreen says:

    Today’s Times : Magazine cover is EU flag wrapped around Rachel Johnson
    4 pages of article plus 2 photopages of her like a trollope
    They are flogging a Times Readers event An Evening with Rachel Johnson
    (I bet they’ve hired the Emiates stadium ..not)
    Inner cover : fullpage ad from RWE with some kind of Greta


    • Jeff says:

      Stew, let’s not be too hasty here.
      I must confess I’ve always had a bit of a “thing” for Boris’s little sis’…
      She’s a fine looking wench.
      “EU flag wrapped around Rachel Johnson…plus 2 photo pages of her like a trollop”.
      Steady on…
      You might at least have posted some of the pictures!


      • StewGreen says:

        There’s no accounting for taste.
        She looks like an Essex disco girl in a black dress and chunky silver platform shoes.
        top half


      • BRISSLES says:

        Jeff, calm down ! your last 2 posts have had sexual connotations, get a grip man ! (duh ! forget that)


  20. StewGreen says:

    Ministers accused of failures as immigrant removals halved. … Official Home Office figures show that enforced removals of illegal immigrants, failed asylum seekers and foreign national offenders fom the country
    fell by 53 per cent
    from 15,828 to 7,361 between 2010 and 2019.
    Same for voluntary removal



  21. StewGreen says:

    Priti Patel being sued by white official for racism
    She failed yesterday to keep proceedings secret in the case of former Rear Admiral Matt Parr, one of five HM Inspectors of Constabulary who oversee the police forces.

    The former naval officer told an employment tribunal that his salary was significantly lower than that of a black female inspector who did the same job.
    She got £185K he gets £140K


  22. StewGreen says:

    I wonder if William Hill are making their betting shops comfortable to child gamblers as well as senile punters.
    … Tricky to exclude them but that’s what should be done.


  23. Fedup2 says:

    No doubt some CEO of this ‘charity’ is on performance related bonuses such as linking dementia to a gambling company …Mind blowing – like the awful illness ….


  24. Guest Who says:

    BBC News

    Do you find it hard to speak to people when you feel passionately they are wrong?

    A technique called deep listening could be the solution.


    Clearly most bbc staff exempted.


    • Up2snuff says:

      Esp. Anita Anand on Any Answers, Guest.

      I switched on a bit late, hoping that Chris Mason would be presenting it. A middle age male (or older! – the voice sounded middle-aged) ‘snowflake’ was complaining that the government hadn’t been telling him what to do re Covid-19. Anita then started to get going (she talks for most of the programme, or so it seems) so I turned off smartish


  25. StewGreen says:

    There is a tiny item on the Times correction page
    about how they got it all wrong and the Muslim scout leader is not an extremist etc.
    and how they’ve paid him compensation

    Here’s the same apology in the Telegraph two months ago


    • G says:

      Emboldening for some. But nevertheless, how could the Telegraph get it so spectacularly wrong.


  26. Cane Corso says:

    Perhaps the genial Nick Robinson could cheer himself up by watching a bit of Parliament Live, especially this https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/51892c6e-4e3c-415a-a5ac-003f73e5043f
    I spent a merry hour or so on the sofa listening to Lord Hall aver that taking civil action against non-payers of his tithe would be far more painful than being hauled before the bench. Perhaps we should only take civil action against terrorists.


  27. StewGreen says:

    Times : In 2016 the retired senior judge listed 43 failings in Midland, including search warrants being obtained illegally, leaks to the media, poor treatment of falsely accused people and the

    But instead of acting positively in 2016 the Met started on 4 years of hiding the Operation Midland sex abuse fiasco failings


  28. StewGreen says:

    Anthony Lister, internationally renowned Australian street artist whose work is due to be displayed in London this week has been charged with drugging and sexually assaulting women and tattooing one without her consent

    police allege he offered ‘internships’ to teenage art students before drugging and raping them, .


  29. Celtic_Mist says:

    You can only trust BBC and CNN


    Retweeted by the BBC ‘Young Reporter’ –


  30. Celtic_Mist says:

    And the winner is –



  31. StewGreen says:

    Why BBC Monitoring published an online video with top tips on spotting fake news

    How is the World Service news agenda set? We go behind the scenes of the daily editorial meeting to get an insight as to how a story gets into the daily programmes.

    Gina Miller meets her troll

    Is wokeness just white guilt?
    Beyond Today
    The author Kiley Reid on her new book Such A Fun Age.


  32. StewGreen says:

    Vine chooses another lefty feminist as special guest


  33. Guest Who says:

    I wonder if Katya Adler is self-isolating reports from the ‘hood?


    Der Spiegel

    A Death of Nurses
    COVID-19 Highlights Staff Shortages at German Hospitals
    Germany has plenty of hospital beds in its intensive care units. What it doesn’t have is enough personnel. As the number of people with COVID-19 increases, the stakes of this shortfall could get a lot higher.


    Seems the BBC’s mission is singular in intent. Not in a good way.


  34. Old Goat says:

    Giving Coronavirus a short rest, the BBC returns to the climate “crisis”, with more of the usual lies:


    • StewGreen says:

      Comments have closed on that BBC article
      and the faithful got there first.

      They’ve seen this line
      “A comprehensive review of satellite data acquired at both poles is unequivocal in its assessment of accelerating trends, say scientists.”
      and just believed it.

      Whereas Tony Heller’s video totally contradicts that narrative

      Actually it’s like most skeptics didn’t see it
      cos they have voted much
      The skeptic comments all got pushed into lowest voted
      .. voted down by 100 to 50
      like someone made an anti-Greta comment and ot got 44 likes vs 99 dislikes.



  35. Fedup2 says:

    Not BBC
    But I’m sure A&E departments up and down the country have been overwhelmed on Saturday afternoon with blokes unable to handle the lack of football and in need of counselling …. but on the upside – no Linaker doing Match of the Day ….


  36. StewGreen says:

    Oh after Caroline Flack the bourgeoisie started to use the #BeKind hashtag

    Today they using #boristhebutcher


  37. StewGreen says:

    Covid19 context
    The numbers seem right to me
    ..still sad for the 20 grannies who have died


  38. StewGreen says:

    The guy explains why you don’t quarantine the population too early
    .. You need to hold back that tool, so you can use it at the right time.


  39. StewGreen says:

    The BBC idea that Oz fires were caused by Global Warming


  40. Darcy3 says:

    Something I came across on the interweb, something you will again be highly unlikely to see / hear on the bbc with their black obsession RE Stormzy, and various grime rapists etc

    Is the Beatles music too overrated? Just listening the music itself, it’s of a much lower quality than everyone told me it would be. I don’t have the patience to complete some of their shorter songs, despite being a fan of Pink Floyd music.

    Answer 1:

    It is said that when Chuck Berry died in 2017, it was from a broken heart 💔. At age 90 years old, Chuck Berry lived to see his beloved Love Childe, Rock & Roll, die in his arms after a long, slow decline…

    Rock officially died New Years Day 2000 (Y2K). Yes, on occasion, you may hear authentic ‘Rock & Roll’ at a bar or a Library 📚 or perhaps a coffee shoppe or Assisted Living Facility 🏡, However, Rock is as good as dead 💀 because it has been rendered CULTURALLY IRRELEVANT with the passage of time.

    What passes as popular music in 2020 is your choice of PAP, RAP & CRAP (Fusion HAT Clone Country) else R&B which is why I go weeks without playing my two channel Audiophile stereo system because of lack of old or new content.

    Of all the acts in Rock’s pantheon of GODS , NOTHING approximates the impact of a certain 3D rate Midlands Bar Band [Note: I was making a pun on Middling—as LiverPuds, The Beatles were a Northern Outfit] that went to Germany and reinvented itself as ‘The Beatles’.

    The Beatles started off as a Proto-Punk Band who recycled American Brill Building Music (Sedaka & King) & Girl Group acts (Ronnettes, Marvelettes) and simply uptempoed them in a new genre called MersyBeat/British Invasion or 2D GEN Rock (22NOV1963–09AUG1974) also known as the Turbulent 60s.

    Play the Isley Brothers “Twist & Shout” against The Beatles’ version of the same song and it is if the SEX PISTOLS were covering it—meaning, the Beatles were a minimum 14 years Future Forward and that’s just MersyBeat!!!

    Instantly, 2D GEN Rock (to which your Pink Fred is one such act) rendered Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, Lil Richard & even The Beach Boys (A 1st GEN Act that jumped into 2D GEN via Pet Sounds LP) obsolete.

    And that was just for starters. The Beatles did more than deconstruct American Rock & Roll—THEY HAD THE AUDACITY TO WRITE THEIR OWN SONGS —-something which was virtually UNHEARD of by British Bands in 1963.

    Even more incredible is the fact that this unknown, upstart Northern Band with no previous song credits was now writing ✍️ HIT MAKING SONGS FOR O-T-H-E-R-S!!!

    I’m not even warmed up yet. Having conquered the global Musical genre called MERSYBEAT, the Beatles then hit another ball out of the park when they tried their hand at their film making debut with ‘Hard Day’s Night’. ‘Hard Day’s Night’ was more than a just an unexpected, Film Noir hit, It is that critical juncture of time when the Beatles transcended made into “Cultural Influencers” of the Decade.

    It wasn’t music until it was Beatle Musique, One didn’t purchase half boots with Spanish Heels—-you bought Beatle Boots!!! Their fancy became the New standard of excellence.

    E.G., Ever hear👂 of an obscure Black Lead Guitarist for Lil’ Richard’s oldies show called Jimi Hendrix? A musician whose guitar playing was so utterly Jumping that it was ‘JUMP QUALIFIED’⛱ (pun alert)? Who gave him his audience? Sir James Paul McCartney, that’s who. Said Beatles gave Jimi his critical mass by recommending him for the Monterey Pop Festival as what? A Talent Scout?!!!

    Then 1965 hit and it was all over. The MersyBeat scene had run its course and the Beatles should have dethroned Elvis as Las Vegas’ Premiere Oldies Show act…but that didn’t happen.

    Instead, the Beatles reinvented themselves as the World 🌎 eminent ART HOUSE band (Revolver), then reinvented themselves as the World eminent Psychedelic Band (SGT Pepper-MMT) and finally reinvented themselves as Dozens of Modern AOR Rock (White LP-Abbey Road). NO OTHER Rock Act has achieved as much in so short of a time as The Beatles—one band, four gendres…under 7 years?!!! No one does that or will do that ever again.

    I love Pink Floyd (2D GEN Psychedelic ) with Meddle (1971) & Dark Side of the Moon 🌚 (1973) being their best LPs ( I exclude the trash called The Wall (1979) as being horribly dated & pointlessly stupid). Pink Fred did not invent Psychedelic; They simply gigged in it and were rendered dinosaurs by my era, Post Punk (1978–1994) or from Joy Division-My Bloody Valentine

    Although music 🎶 is timeless when listened to, it should never be criticized “Out of the Context” of its creation


  41. Guest Who says:

    BBC Newsbeat

    Greta: Let’s take climate strikes online to help prevent spread of coronavirus


    It has been up since Wednesday and attracted eight comments, few positive.


    • StewGreen says:

      I think Newsbeat deleted that article cos now it just forwards to the BBC news page

      Facebook post


  42. smoogie7 says:

    I wonder if the BBC could bring themselves to cover a Daily Mail story that could be a welcome story or is their bias is as strong as it was in the GE?

    ‘Boris Johnson to evoke Winston Churchill in a plea to private hospitals asking them to free up beds for NHS use to cope with coronavirus’



  43. StewGreen says:

    The thing is that the mad cat woman says mad things
    .. People call her out
    ..She deletes tweets
    ..and then her friends says you can’t call her mad cat woman, cos that is misogyny.

    Today’s saga/a>


    • Guest Who says:


  44. BRISSLES says:

    Who is this pillock Prof John Ashton ? who seems to be making an arse of himself whenever he’s interviewed. He was talking to Mat Frei (I know) on Ch4 news, and he all but wanted Boris taken out and shot, to be replaced by none less than goofy Rory Stewart !!!!l Mat Frei attempted to shut him up as he was promoting Stewart to the post of PM. It was an insane interview bordering on a car crash. Amazing though how unknowns can suddenly within hours become well knowns when their views are asked for.


    • Beltane says:

      Guido provided an accurate assessment of the noble ‘prof’ Briss – which explains just why he’s so in favour with the BBC.
      Another example of the nation’s broadcaster helping to pull us together.


  45. Celtic_Mist says:

    Who would retweet such a nasty video –


    • vlad says:

      Oh how we giggled in the BBC studios.

      Well done Jon, keep being impartial and fair.


  46. Guest Who says:

    About sums them up.



  47. Guest Who says:

    The bbc with ‘quotes’ of ‘scientists who say’.


  48. Guest Who says:


    Pesto Northern Rocking again?


  49. Guest Who says:

    Get the impression the problem is the media?


    • G says:

      I guess we will be seeing much more of these stunts from now on as the Fifth Column academic Marxists break cover to take advantage of the situation.


      • Guest Who says:

        Jez is losing the rest of his marbles on social media.

        Even the MSM seems to have realised he is not worth quoting.