252 Responses to Weekend Thread 22 February 2020

  1. Halifax says:

    Lorry driver jailed and banned after U Turn on motorway….BBC don’t name him…….here you go it’s Leonid Papachin.
    Now why would the BBC not name home….let me think….


    • Fedup2 says:

      Thank you – I spotted that excellent ‘bias by omission ‘ example . I was going to look it up…

      It’s very sad when you know – instinctively – that if a fact which would normally be left in a report – is left out of a report – that will be because it doesn’t accord with the snowflake propaganda policy . And people pay for it !


    • StewGreen says:

      Yes I saw the footage and postulated
      that to come down the up slip road means you must have been driving around the roundabout the wrong way.
      So it was likely that a continental lorry driver had been driving up a small quiet road in the dark and forgotten what side of the road he was driving on.
      And then having reached the roundabout instinctively turned the wrong rotation and then turned right to exit the roundabout and thus down an UP ramp.


      • StewGreen says:

        “Lithuanian Leonid Papachin, 51, has been handed a suspended prison sentence after he admitted dangerous driving”


        • G says:

          If it were you, making a mistake, you’d be hung drawn and quartered. But TR, that’s another matter…………


  2. StewGreen says:

    Friday’s Times leader says the Arts industry in Britain is riddled with self censorship
    .. partially cos they all depend on grants no one want raise their head and risk being seen as separate from the herd.


  3. Fedup2 says:

    It’s not BBC directly – but for those such as me who waited so long to get us out of the EU – isn’t great to see the remaining mini states of their Federation arguing about their budget now that we are starting to pull away from it …. if only one of those mini states would talk about leaving …..


    • ScottishCalvin says:

      I don’t know, for years the LibDems/Guardian/BBC constantly told me we get far more back from the EU than we pay in. If anything those lucky Germans and French are going to have more money than they know what to do with, now that we’re not drawing from the well!

      Joking aside I genuinely cannot wait to see how that budget story is ultimately explained given that I’m not far from the truth there.


  4. G says:

    You know how YT ‘throw-up’ certain videos it thinks you like. Well, one extract from Blackadder I think about quite often when the subject of continuing to repeat a task in the same manner in which it had always been carried out – and always failed. Thanks YT.
    So glad to have found this one.


  5. Fedup2 says:

    Thanks – two non BBC free view programmes this week on military history – one explaining that the reason so many died on the Somme was that the Germans listened to uncoded comms chatter by the British .

    And in the Second World War the reason Rommel was the ‘desert fox ‘ was because the Germans listened in to uncoded comms chatter by the British ….. repeat please ….


  6. vlad says:

    Disappearing into ‘Regions’ at the speed of light is the story of Muslim convert Safiyya Shaikh who plotted an attack on St Paul’s.

    “I want to kill a lot,” she told an undercover officer. “I would like to do church… a day like Christmas or Easter good, kill more.”
    Merry Christmas to you too, sweetheart.

    So she wanted to attack a high profile, landmark church – a bit like, say, Notre Dame in Paris?
    Except we know the arson attack – sorry, accidental fire – in Paris was not terror related because the French authorities, and Al-beeb, told us with absolute certainty it was an accident within minutes of the arson – sorry, accident – while it was still burning and before there had been any sort of investigation whatsoever. With threats against anyone casting doubts about the official lie – sorry, version of events.

    Case closed.

    “St Paul’s bomb plot: IS supporter Safiyya Shaikh pleads guilty”



  7. theisland says:

    David Vance Retweeted
    Alex Belfield @celebrityradio

    My most trending Television video today.
    ‘Scrap The BBC Licence Fee Explained’…
    The abuse of our money is shocking:

    From 29 Jan 2020 so apologies if everyone has already seen it.


  8. Guest Who says:

    OTish, but this is who the BBC have on with the specific intention of creating heat over light, as with ex-colleague Mason, etc.

    Perverse does not come close.


  9. Tabs says:

    London Central Mosque stabbing: Man in court over attack

    Rather than the BBC just report the facts that both victim and alledged knifeman were both Muslims they prefer to report the victim is a Muslim but the knifeman “had been attending the mosque for a number of years.”

    You can always rely on the BBC to distort the facts to push their pro Muslim agenda.


    • vlad says:

      The earliest reports went out of their way to describe the aggressor as white – funny how the colour-blind beeb become colour-conscious when it suits their agenda. Subsequently removed.


  10. Richard Pinder says:

    Melanie Phillips does not agree with Greta and the BBC. See below


    Greta thinks Richard Pinder is a Climate denier.

    Richard Pinder says “No” I do not deny that the Climate exists, Climate Change or Global Warming. But I do deny Radiative forcing because they couldn’t give me any evidence from an Atmospheric chamber, only highly complex bullshit in the form of the imaginary Arrhenius law and Stefan-Boltzmann formulas based on dreamed up assumptions, pumped up into believability by computer models.

    But Mars was ideal to test this theory. It has a carbon dioxide atmosphere equivalent to four times doubling that on Earth, which produces 33 Kelvin. The Black Body Temperature of Mars is 81.5 percent that of the Earth at 207 Kelvin, so according to the Global warming theory, Mars should be over 27 Kelvin warmer. But in fact it is only 3 Kelvin warmer at 210 Kelvin. Its why scientist like Ferenc Miskolczi gave up trying to calibrate carbon dioxide warming on Venus, which has a quarter of a million times more CO2 than the Earth.

    But then some scientists found an amazing coincidence on Venus. The temperature on Venus at the altitude that has identical pressure to that on the Earths surface is 1.176 times the Earths average surface temperature. The radiating temperature of Venus is 1.176 times that of the Earth. But if this coincidence with pressure is universal then we have a Unified Theory of Climate. Which is what Ned Nikolov & Karl Zeller’s theory is called. And why carbon dioxide warming is a hoax.

    So will A Green Boris Face Macron’s Fate. Will Piers Corbyn set up a new “Truth Party” and become Prime Minister? See below



  11. PRW73 says:

    Sorry if someone has already made this point, but will all the parents of kids going on the school strike in Bristol next week be fined like parents who take kids on holiday during term time?
    Better still, perhaps St Greta should bear all the fines for encouraging them? And those teachers encouraging them?


    • theisland says:

      BrexitDirectAction @ActionBrexit


    • G says:

      Greta would only turn to Soros to pay the fines anyway.


  12. G.W.F. says:

    Perhaps the BBC might blast the Tory Government for not releasing the report on grooming gangs
    Come on Priti we expect better. Home Office and BBC share the desire to conceal.


    • vlad says:

      Meaning it’s not in the interest of CERTAIN SECTIONS of the public (guess) that the rest of the public learn just how widespread the grooming gangs are, and who’s in them (guess).


    • Up2snuff says:

      G.W.F., and not only that, also allow Parliament to have the report on Russian interference in the EU Referendum and the 2017 General Election.


  13. Dover Sentry says:

    @Richard Pinder, somewhere above this post,

    That study is so damning. It rips apart the fallacy of excess CO2 causing the atmosphere to heat up.

    It needs to be accepted at Governmental level and widely publicised.

    All we ever get is the XR version of ‘science’ and our BBC refusing to have a debate. The BBC of course are Climate Change zealots.


  14. Guest Who says:

    I did not know she was a KGM sibling


  15. SkeptikEye says:

    So Omar did marry her brother!

    I suppose we may be seeing some kiddie-winks with two heads and webbed fingers soon then?


  16. pugnazious says:

    Nicky Morgan[future Tory leader?] lays it out for the BBC….


    ‘The BBC is undoubtedly a great British public service broadcaster. If we didn’t have it, we’d have to invent something like it. But the truth is that if we were to invent it today, we wouldn’t start from here. And as the BBC approaches its centenary in 2022, now is the time to ask whether it is still meeting its original purposes, what impact it has on the rest of the broadcasting and news landscape, and also, just as importantly, what impact have the rest of the broadcasting and media sectors had on the BBC.

    Figures released this week from Barb show that just over 50 per cent of households (more than 14.2 million) now watch TV shows through a subscription streaming service. People in the BBC try to draw a distinction between themselves and such services. They seem to think that the British public isn’t already paying to consume BBC TV and radio. But anyone with a licence fee, unless they’ve benefited from a concession, has had no choice but to pay more than £150 a year to watch television, even if they never watch the BBC. And if they want to use many BBC online services, including iPlayer, then they’ve had to register with the system.

    When reform is unavoidable, the best way to tackle it is to start the ball rolling yourself. The future leadership of the BBC would best aid their cause by accepting that “no change” is not an option.

    At this stage, it simply isn’t possible to offer anything other than the broadest thoughts about what might replace the licence fee.

    The key issue for 2020 is for the debate about the future funding of the BBC and its broader role to start and, more importantly, to be conducted in a transparent, open-minded and constructive way – avoiding defensiveness on the part of the BBC and its employees and any hint of settling old scores from those who want to see change.

    It is in everyone’s interest to have the BBC as a public service broadcaster fit for the mid to late 21st century – but that does mean a change from today’s arrangements.’


  17. pugnazious says:

    An old Boris article from 2012 smashes a couple of BBC lies…one that he isn’t a Eurosceptic and merely jumped on the bandwagon to further his political career and two, that similarly he is opportunely attacking the BBC rather than having a long-held and genuine belief in what he says….including about the funding of the BBC.

    If you’ve read any of Boris’ old Telegraph articles on the EU [from the 1990’s..so long-held beliefs] you’ll know he has always been a sceptic…both of the EU and the BBC.

    In 2005 he wrote this….which could have been written yesterday..

    ‘The mental default position of the BBC journalists is essentially Left of centre.

    All their instinct and culture is to support state funding over the private sector – which is not surprising, since they are state-funded themselves. They are all located on a political spectrum running from Ken Clarke, via Menzies Campbell, towards Robin Cook and Clare Short. They are instinctively anti-American, though they of course make much of how they “love” American culture. It is an axiom that Bush is a dangerous lunatic, the war in Iraq about oil, and so on. They are anti-Israel, but also find Christianity – or any strong expression of Christian faith – deeply embarrassing. In any argument, they will instinctively gravitate to what they think is the most civilised and liberal option, irrespective of the merits of the case; so they tend to be completely caught out by events such as the re-election of George Bush (all the fault of loony Christians, says the Beeb) or the total failure of the British economy to suffer in any way for the rejection of the euro.’

    In 2012 he wrote this…

    The statist, defeatist and biased BBC is on the wrong wavelength

    ”So what do you think, eh?” I turned to the BBC’s art critic, the brilliant, bulging Professor Branestawm lookalike Will Gompertz. We were standing on the top of the ArcelorMittal Orbit in Stratford…Did Gompertz like it as much as I did? My friends, he did not. Or at least, he liked it, but he had two complaints. “It’s not big enough,” he said, “and surely it should be free.” Not big enough! Free! There you have everything that is wrong with the BBC and with this country.

    In his criticisms, Gompertz was revealing not the instincts of an art critic – but the mentality of the BBC man. Unlike the zany eccentric ArcelorMittal Orbit, the zany eccentric Gompertz is almost entirely publicly funded. It is up to you whether or not to go up the Orbit – though I thoroughly recommend it. You have no choice about funding Gompertz. Everyone who possesses a TV has to pay more than £145 to put him on air. The BBC is unlike any other media organisation in the free world, in that it levies billions from British households whether they want to watch it or not. No wonder its employees have an innocent belief that everything in life should be “free”. No wonder – and I speak as one who has just fought a campaign in which I sometimes felt that my chief opponent was the local BBC news – the prevailing view of Beeb newsrooms is, with honourable exceptions, statist, corporatist, defeatist, anti-business, Europhile and, above all, overwhelmingly biased to the Left.

    If we can’t change the Beeb, we can’t change the country.’


    • callinson says:

      I agree that Boris wrote these things and probably believed them as he did so (although with Boris one can never be sure). But bear in mind that he was then married to and living with the very clever Marina Wheeler who is a eurosceptic lawyer with a respect for our Common Law and saw that it would be lost to some sort of a modified code system if we got in ever deeper with Brussels . Boris is now living with the young hip greenie Carrie Symonds, and I think this may have affected his views to some extent.


    • callinson says:

      I agree that Boris wrote these things and probably believed them as he did so (although with Boris one can never be sure). But bear in mind that he was then married to and living with the very clever Marina Wheeler who is a eurosceptic lawyer with a respect for our Common Law and saw that it would be lost to some sort of a modified code system if we got in ever deeper with Brussels . Boris is now living with the young hip greenie Carrie Symonds, and I think this may have affected his views to some extent.


  18. StewGreen says:


    • Guest Who says:

      That bbc gobshites are allowed #viewsmyown advocacy like this is bad enough. That they can block anyone from taking legitimate issue is very bbc.


      • StewGreen says:

        Yep I’m blocked by BC
        just cos I expressed a different opinion
        when he moaned that Britons would have a £6 EU visa fee I pointed out the Green Energy policies he supports cost each family an extra £1,000 /year


    • john in cheshire says:

      I can imagine him holding that distasteful rictus grin on his face while he typed that.

      When was the last time he did anything related to his PhD? Or does he spend his time strumming his guitar or tinkling with his ivories? What did Homer Simpson say? I don’t wannabe a wannabe rock star, I wannabe a rock star.


    • G.W.F. says:

      The boast about an environmental friendly passport tells us all we need to know about this green government.


    • Lefty Wright says:

      What’s all this passport nonsense? Just grab a dinghy,climb aboard with your family and friends and you can go where you like. Apparently.


  19. Guest Who says:

    What was it about mentally unstable publicity hounds the Griswalds that first attracted the national climate obsessives the BBC to them?

    Maybe the House journal can offer insight?


  20. Scroblene says:

    I hope friends here won’t mind if I c+p a comment which I rather like on Raedwald’s excellent Blog, which I definitely do like!

    “Jack the dog said…

    The interesting thing [about the BBC] is their automatic assumption that switching to a subscription model will mean that nobody will want to pay for their content.

    They know that, and they cynically adopt the language of protecting something precious which in fact has been irredeemably tarnished years ago.

    I would have some respect for them if they came out and said “subscription model? bring it on! we can produce better content than netflix” and the absurd thing is they can – the BBC’s production values in a technical sense are quite superb. It has been ruined by the woke twats at the top (like Dimblebore) and all the humanities grads in the “artistic” side. But when it puts its mind to it, and if it could drop the woke shite, it is indeed a world beater.”

    Thanks Jack, that’s a great comment in my book!


  21. AsISeeIt says:

    News editor to trainee reporter: Dog bites man, that’s not a story anyone wants to read. Man bites dog, that’s front page news.

    BBC editor to trainee BBC journo: Muslim stabs man, that’s not a story we want anyone to read. Man stabs Muslim, that’s a headline.


    • john in cheshire says:

      This is news. That the racist far-left bbc has most likely not chosen to recognise:


      It’s not a very long video. Viktor Orban reveals that the attempted invasion of his country by muslims is being planned and coordinated.

      And by extension, it is being done all across Europe, including here in the UK ( this is my opinion).

      Like most misdeeds, we probably all know this to be true but knowing and proving are not the same. And knowing and proving are worthless unless measures are taken to oppose it and punish those who are ordering it and paying for it.


  22. Guest Who says:

    Hellfire, they are bricking it.

    Imagine running a press release about, of all things, a poll… the bbc is now worried about poll phrasing!


    • AsISeeIt says:

      BBC: “…people give different answers when relevant context is given to the questions.”

      Hoist by one of their own most cherished petards…


      • Guest Who says:

        It is ‘unique, isn’t it?

        Soon they will have Nish presenting Newswatch on half pay.


    • Guest Who says:

      Market rate talent scoring well across the board.


      • Oldspeaker says:

        “The reality is that the bbc represents very good value for money”
        Which reality is this?
        Define good value? I don’t watch it, why should I be legally obliged to pay for it? Why should I have to pay at all?

        Regardless, lets accept the premise true, whats the worry? Make the bbc subscription only, if its such good value jack the price a little and people will pay, wont they?

        All I would like is the freedom of choice whether to pay or not.


  23. Guest Who says:

    So keeping this one for future use.


    • Guest Who says:

      Seems the bbc likes fellow travellers who like money in equally unique ways to their staff.

      How are Botney and Camilla Batty doing, btw?

      Vicky Pryce and Keith Vaz up for the next QT?


    • Guest Who says:

      Popcorn time.


  24. Guest Who says:

    John Sweeney might not have liked.


  25. Guest Who says:


    He’s got back up.


  26. Guest Who says:

    And this is from a lefty who has blocked me on twitter.



  27. pugnazious says:

    And people wonder why anti-Semitism is rising across the world…..not helped by BBC reports that are extraordinarily one-sided and make Palestinians into oppressed victims of Jewish fascism…FOOC repeated this malign narrative…

    Funny thing…comments on the video disappear instantly, within seconds…and they’re not in my comment history…so someone is removing them….try entering this one yourself and see if it survives….

    ‘Sneaky Zionist BBC metaphor for Israel’s position…a tiny country besieged and surrounded by hostile Muslim countries that want to wipe it and its residents off the face of the earth.’

    Or try suggesting that Israeli setters are not illegal occupiers but merely ‘undocumented migrants’….seems someone doesn’t like that either.

    However if you’re pro Palestinian and savagely anti-israel/Jew your comment stays on….

    FD C
    Table will turn soon

    no – doubter
    it’s a shame these evils were spared and relocated to palestine

    3 days ago
    I’ve always confused by those who always kept trying to justify that all the settlement aren’t illegal and even the country itself isn’t illegal.


    6 days ago
    Why call them settlers? They’re occupiers…oops, I didn’t mean to be antisemitic. Because, these days such criticism of obvious illegality and oppression is labelled antisemitism.

    4 days ago
    It takes a very twisted, soulless vampire to take so much pride in stealing land and homes.

    Public Public
    If Israel could get away with putting the Palestinians into slavery they would.

    Odd what is allowed [by someone] and what isn’t.

    Hmmm..swapped words ‘wipe [out]’ for ‘remove’ and comment stays up….must be a Youtube algorithm?

    Entered ‘wipe out’ on its own as a comment and it disappears….lol.

    Clearly Youtube’s censorship doesn’t work if you use alternate wording….or the wording and ideas aren’t in its lexicon to be erased…..clearly calling Israel evil is OK or that Israel shouldn’t exist etc etc etc.


  28. Capstan Full Strength says:

    It is a lovely day. It is a Sunday. What better thing to do as an overly paid BBC scribe than leave things alone and just have a nice rest. NO CHANCE. A telephone call from comrade line manager” Get Tyson at all costs” diversity man/woman no.157.5 will demand a two thousand piece lambasting why white idiots do not deserve to become heavyweight champions of the world. Clearly they are phobes and isitists Tell me if I am wrong and the BBC do for once, celebrate a British victory.


  29. Guest Who says:

    She and Dimbles need to get a room.


    • G says:

      Only a matter of time before it, ‘kicks off’ bigtime in the US. It certainly can’t go on this way.


  30. pugnazious says:

    ‘I could never have imagined, nine years on, that the Taliban would be claiming to have ‘won the war’ in Afghanistan.

    Or, much worse, that our politicians and Muslim ‘leaders’ here would allow their twisted ideology to spread across Britain.

    Make no mistake, Taliban devotees are in our schools, playgrounds, homes, mosques, political parties, public service, private firms and universities.

    And if we are to have any hope of combating them, we need to stop this attitude of appeasement and understand why so many Muslims are attracted to the most punishing forms of belief, suppressing women and children.

    Even if it offends liberal principles, the powerful must find a way of stopping Islamicists from promulgating their distorted creed. ‘ Yasmin Alibhai-brown 2010

    Listening to ‘Sunday’ this morning and I heard a tale about an Iranian top sportswoman who fled to the UK for asylum because she didn’t wear her headscarf when playing….she said she didn’t believe in the headscarf…it was ‘A tool of misogynist oppression’….BBC presenter said nothing in reaction to this shocking islamophobic racism.

    Yasmin Alibhai-Brown [in one of her more honest moments] told us that the Taliban were in this country and ‘In Muslim states, violence against women is validated. A dark age is upon us’

    Warsi said the veil has no place inn Britain…

    ‘: “I have an issue with the veil because I don’t think it’s a British manifestation.
    “The veil was used in pre-Islamic days by well-to-do women who went to the market and didn’t want to hang out with the plebs. It was used in Saudi Arabia for the women who were considered to be the revered ones, and I presume if you were running through the desert it was good because you didn’t get sand in your face.
    “I just don’t know what its purpose is in terms of British Islam.”

    Sadiq Khan said…

    ‘“There is a question to be asked about what is going on in those homes. What’s insidious is if people are starting to think it is appropriate to treat women differently or that it has been forced on them. What worries me is children being forced to adopt a lifestyle.” ‘

    Shazia Mirza, who called Asians who worked for the government ‘Coconuts’ said….

    ‘A Muslim woman knocked on my door last night. I didn’t open the door – I just talked through the letter box to see how she likes it.
    For a Muslim girl, the worst thing is not wearing the veil, but to go out with a black man. My dad used to say, “If I ever catch you with a black man I will burn you!” I thought, “But Dad! – then I’ll be black, too!”
    When I was growing up in Birminghamabad nobody wore the veil, burqa, dustbin liner, whatever, and now when I go back everyone’s wearing it.
    The public should not worry unduly about the burqa. What’s wrong with a teacher coming into school looking like Darth Vader? Kids these days are too sheltered; they need some diversity.

    And the BBC laughed and applauded or said nothing.

    Boris Johnson said….

    ‘”I would go further and say that it is absolutely ridiculous that people should choose to go around looking like letter boxes.”‘

    …and all hell broke loose….he is racist, islamophobic, feulling hate and division…..hmm..wasn’t the comment about letterboxes meant to mock and condemn such a ridiculous garb forced upon a woman by men?…it wasn’t to mock the women forced to wear it.

    But they said nothing about these lines just before that infamous slur on Islam….

    ‘”If you tell me that the burka is oppressive, then I am with you,” he said.
    “If you say that it is weird and bullying to expect women to cover their faces, then I totally agree – and I would add that I can find no scriptural authority for the practice in the Koran.’

    Now why would these outraged critics not mention that? Is it because he is echoing exactly what they themselves have been saying and thus he is absolutely right? Their attacks thus are blatantly cynical, opportunistic and political…and the BBC went along with them as it called Boris a racist and continues to do so.

    Here’s Boris’ column in the Telegraph complete….

    Denmark has got it wrong. Yes, the burka is oppressive and ridiculous – but that’s still no reason to ban it

    Ah Denmark, what a country. If any society breathes the spirit of liberty, this is it.

    It was only a few weeks ago that I was in Copenhagen for some international conference, and as ever I rose early and went for a run. As I passed through some yuppie zone of warehouse conversions and posh restaurants I saw to my amazement that the Danes had also got up early for exercise – and they were diving stark naked into the bracing waters of the harbour. And I thought to myself – that’s the Danes for you; that’s the spirit of Viking individualism. I mean, we have a climate warmer than Denmark; but even so, would you expect to see Brits disrobing and plunging into the waters of Canary Wharf, or even Greenwich? We are pretty easy-going, but not that easy-going.

    Denmark is the only country in Europe, as far as I know, that still devotes a large proportion of its capital city to an anarchist commune, called Christiania, where I remember spending a happy afternoon 25 years ago inhaling the sweet air of freedom. It is the Danes who still hold out against all sorts of EU tyrannies, large and small.

    They still chew their lethal carcinogenic tobacco; they still eat their red-dyed frankfurters; they still use the krone rather than the euro; they still refuse to let foreigners buy holiday homes in Jutland; and of course it was the heroic population of Denmark that on that magnificent day in June 1992 stuck two fingers up to the elites of Europe and voted down the Maastricht treaty – and though that revolt was eventually crushed by the European establishment (as indeed, note, they will try to crush all such revolts), that great nej to Maastricht expressed something about the Danish spirit: a genial and happy cussedness and independence.

    It is a spirit you see everywhere on the streets of Copenhagen in the veneration for that supreme embodiment of vehicular autonomy, the bicycle. The Danes don’t cycle with their heads down, grimly, in Lycra, swearing at people who get in their way. They wander and weave helmetless down the beautiful boulevards on clapped-out granny bikes, with a culture of cycling in which everyone is treated with courtesy and respect. Yes, if you wanted to visit a country that seemed on the face of it to embody the principles of JS Mill – that you should be able to do what you want provided you do no harm to others – I would advise you to head for wonderful, wonderful Copenhagen.

    So I was a bit surprised to see that on August 1 the Danes joined several other European countries – France, Germany, Austria, Belgium – in imposing a ban on the niqab and the burka – those items of Muslim head-gear that obscure the female face. Already a fine of 1000 kroner – about £120 – has been imposed on a 28-year-old woman seen wearing a niqab in a shopping centre in the north eastern town of Horsholm. A scuffle broke out as someone tried to rip it off her head. There have been demonstrations, on both sides of the argument. What has happened, you may ask, to the Danish spirit of live and let live?

    If you tell me that the burka is oppressive, then I am with you. If you say that it is weird and bullying to expect women to cover their faces, then I totally agree – and I would add that I can find no scriptural authority for the practice in the Koran. I would go further and say that it is absolutely ridiculous that people should choose to go around looking like letter boxes; and I thoroughly dislike any attempt by any – invariably male – government to encourage such demonstrations of “modesty”, notably the extraordinary exhortations of President Ramzan Kadyrov of Chechnya, who has told the men of his country to splat their women with paintballs if they fail to cover their heads.

    If a constituent came to my MP’s surgery with her face obscured, I should feel fully entitled – like Jack Straw – to ask her to remove it so that I could talk to her properly. If a female student turned up at school or at a university lecture looking like a bank robber then ditto: those in authority should be allowed to converse openly with those that they are being asked to instruct. As for individual businesses or branches of government – they should of course be able to enforce a dress code that enables their employees to interact with customers; and that means human beings must be able to see each other’s faces and read their expressions. It’s how we work.

    All that seems to me to be sensible. But such restrictions are not quite the same as telling a free-born adult woman what she may or may not wear, in a public place, when she is simply minding her own business.

    I am against a total ban because it is inevitably construed – rightly or wrongly – as being intended to make some point about Islam. If you go for a total ban, you play into the hands of those who want to politicise and dramatise the so-called clash of civilisations; and you fan the flames of grievance. You risk turning people into martyrs, and you risk a general crackdown on any public symbols of religious affiliation, and you may simply make the problem worse. Like a parent confronted by a rebellious teenager determined to wear a spike through her tongue, or a bolt through her nose, you run the risk that by your heavy-handed attempt to ban what you see as a bizarre and unattractive adornment you simply stiffen resistance.

    The burka and the niqab were certainly not always part of Islam. In Britain today there is only a tiny, tiny minority of women who wear these odd bits of headgear. One day, I am sure, they will go.

    The Danes swim starkers in the heart of Copenhagen. If The Killing is to be believed, their female detectives wear Faroe sweaters on duty, as is their sovereign right. If Danish women really want to cover their faces, then it seems a bit extreme – all the caveats above understood – to stop them under all circumstances. I don’t propose we follow suit. A total ban is not the answer.


    • Beltane says:

      The most pernicious aspect of wokeism is that it relies on the inherent laziness of those who support it, those who if they had any credibility and self-respect would read, digest and understand articles like this from Boris, and attempt to gain a balanced opinion as a result.
      Instead they pick out the easy bits, the ones that without the boring hassle of analysis will flip the right switches and provide a gullible audience with all the false fodder it needs.
      And paramount among the purveyors of this fallacious and deliberately spiteful and destructive mode of presentation is the BBC. The World’s Most Respected etc., etc.
      History will define the attitude as shameful – but history relies on understatement.


  31. pugnazious says:

    You’ve gotta love this…a man who thinks of himself as an expert in history, so much so that he advises the BBC’s ‘Horrible Histories’ [lol x million….ref. ‘British Things’ video] derides The History Channel for a tweet about Hitler’s death and says only the BBC would bring you credible and truthful history…

    Well..follow the link [clearly Jenner never did] to the History Channel story and you’ll find a pretty good report…and no mention that Hitler is alive and living in Bootle.

    Hilariously of course the BBC does think Hitler is in No10 and the 1930’s are ongoing.

    But isn’t it quite jusitifable to look at the speculation that Hitler may have lived and escaped to where-ever? Both the FBI and CIA investigated reports of Hitler’s survival…


    ‘In the aftermath of Germany’s surrender in 1945, western Allied forces suspected that Hitler had committed suicide but did not immediately find evidence of his death. At the time, it was feared that Hitler may have escaped in the closing days of the war, and searches were made to determine if he was still alive. FBI Files indicate that the Bureau investigated some of the rumors of Hitler’s survival.’

    The CNN, the BBC’s favourite anti-Trump channel looked at the story…

    ‘JFK docs show CIA heard rumor that Adolf Hitler escaped to South America
    The CIA was aware of and interested in rumors that Nazi leader Adolf Hitler escaped Germany at the end of the World War II and fled to South America, documents released this week by the U.S. foreign intelligence agency show.’

    The Independent and many others also mention such conspiracy theories wiithout BBC fanboys condemning them…

    ‘A submarine linked to rumours that Adolf Hitler survived and escaped to Argentina in a U-boat has been discovered – lying wrecked at the bottom of the North Sea between Denmark and Norway….. it would have been perfect escape vessel for Nazi gold, high-ranking officials or even Hitler himself as the Reich collapsed at the end of the Second World War.’

    Even the Guardian linked to the story…

    ‘Hitler lived until 1962? That’s my story, claims Argentinian writer
    The notorious claim that Hitler escaped his Berlin bunker to live incognito in Argentina first gained popular currency in 1945, when Stalin spoke of it. Since then the idea has resurfaced occasionally, with alleged photographic and documentary evidence pored over by conspiracy theorists. Now the theory that the German dictator followed his fellow Nazis Adolf Eichmann and Josef Mengele to South America is at the centre of a fresh row.’

    Even the BBC has praised a book investigating the idea that Hitler lived…

    “I thought the book was hugely thought-provoking and explores some of the untold, murky loose ends of World War Two.”–Dan Snow, broadcaster and historian, “The One Show BBC 1 ”

    How much more nonsense will we have to suffer from the fanboys telling us how wonderful the BBC is and how the commercial stations just can’t compete?


    • Halifax says:

      The rumour has it that after WW1 Hitler lived in Liverpool trying to save and get a passage to America. The last house bombed in Liverpool in WW2 was supposed to be the digs he lived in with his Austrian relatives…..


  32. Tabs says:

    BBC1 ‘The Big Questions’ on at 10:00 to 11:00am today was discussing is racism due to the British Empire. A nice balanced audience of 5 white men versus the other 95 Indian and Muslim persons.


    • pugnazious says:

      Haven’t heard it….can you tell me what the outcome was…are white people inherently evil and racist?


  33. fakenewswatcher says:

    Tabs – I didn’t listen, but do wonder: do they ever discuss anything else? Is there ever real, genuine ‘balance’?


  34. pugnazious says:

    As the BBC produces films that portray the Israelis/Jews as nazis the BBC refuses to publish reports like this that tell the truth about why the Israelis need a security barrier…from the Mail yesterday….

    ‘Jihadi textbooks in schools funded by £100 million of OUR cash as foreign aid goes on science material that teaches physics in Palestine by showing a slingshot being fired at ‘Zionists’

    Ministers pledged urgent action last night after it emerged that British foreign aid cash is funding schools where textbooks on martyrdom and radical Islamism are used.

    The Daily Mail has discovered that tens of millions of pounds of UK foreign aid is helping fund schools in Gaza and the West Bank that use such material in lessons.

    The money goes via a UN agency that some other nations have chosen to stop financing because of concerns.

    The textbooks include a reading exercise for six-year-olds with the words ‘martyr’ and ‘attack’, plus poems for eight-year-olds which include phrases such as ‘sacrifice my blood’ to ‘eliminate the usurper from my country’ and ‘annihilate the remnants of the foreigners’.

    Nine-year-olds learn maths by adding the number of martyrs in Palestinian uprisings in textbooks illustrated with pictures of their funerals.

    And ten-year-olds learn the most important thing is giving their life for ‘sacrifice, fight, jihad, and struggle’. ‘


    • theisland says:

      There’s also this story about school based revisionist history and antisemitism in the UK.

      School books should be vetted. The problem is most of the people doing the vetting would also be hard left and wouldn’t see a problem.


  35. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    I wonder if Douglas Adams had the EU’s thoughts on us leaving in mind when he came out with the title ‘So long and thanks for all the fish’

    (Hitch hikers guide to the Universe trilogy, book 3)


  36. pugnazious says:

    Weird…you might suspecct that the BBC just doesn’t want you to read this story….and note how it’s framed….how it’s the criticism of O’Leary that the BBC is actually reporting not his words and ideas themselves….story hidden away on the Business pages….


    Michael O’Leary: Ryanair boss criticised for Muslim profiling comments

    ‘Ryanair boss Michael O’Leary has been criticised for saying Muslim men should be profiled at airports.

    The chief executive told the Times that “males of a Muslim persuasion” who are single and travelling alone pose the largest terror threat to airlines.

    The Muslim Council of Britain said Mr O’Leary’s comments were “racist and discriminatory”. ‘

    O’Leary just saying something that is patently obvious and sensible. The only people likely to be blowing up aircraft are Muslim terrorists….not racist nor discriminatory….Islam on the other hand…


    • Darcy3 says:

      Asian racists, what does the muslim council of Britian and the BBC have to say about this:

      Woman is savagely beaten in Birmingham ‘coronavirus rage’ attack after stepping in to defend her Chinese friend from racist abuse

      Trainee lawyer Meera Solanki, from Solihull, was at Ana Rocha Bar and Gallery
      She was celebrating her 29th birthday with friends at popular Birmingham bar
      Miss Solanki defended her Chinese friend Mandy Huang, 28, from racial abuse
      West Midlands Police are investigating the assault and appealing for information

      Miss Solanki was inside the venue with her friends including Mandy Huang, 28, who was visiting from London, when the group were targeted by a group of Asian men.

      ‘For some reason he got really angry with her. He started abusing her calling her a dirty c****.

      ‘He said ‘take your f****** coronavirus and take it back home.’

      Miss Solanki told how she was ‘shocked and angry’ and shouted at the man to stop while she tried to push him away.

      ‘He punched me in the head, I hit the pavement and was knocked unconcious,’ Miss Solanki said.

      An ambulance was called to the scene and a witness said: ‘What I saw was beyond despicable. A totally vicious assault.’

      ‘As I lay unconscious he continued to threaten my friends and abuse them before walking away calmly with his group of friends who did nothing to stop him or help me.’



      • pugnazious says:

        ‘Punching up’ no doubt…so it’s OK.


      • G says:

        “West Midlands Police are investigating the assault and appealing for information”.
        As soon as the police understand the victim is simply a kafir they’ll lose interest.


  37. Darcy3 says:

    If this fails to appear on the BBC I will be complaining and accusing them of racism and encourage all far and wide to do the same as they seem obsessed with only one kind of victim : black


  38. pugnazious says:

    In case you didn’t get up at death O’Clock this morning and cough up £25 to watch this here’s your chance….get it before it’s vanished….


  39. Darcy3 says:

    The blacks who can be the most racist and intolerant of minorities among us here and abroad yet allowed free reign to do this without our world class broadcaster even mentioning it yet giving a front page platform to any black calling anyone racist


  40. theisland says:

    DAVID DAVIS: Huawei deal is the most devastating security blunder since MI6 hired Philby, Blunt and Burgess”

    NF and David Davis on the Huawei decision.
    This was also discussed on Nigel’s LBC show this morning.
    What is Boris playing at? More dirty deeds by Whitehall?


    • pugnazious says:

      All those complaining probably have Apple phones and computers made in China…so both the Yanks and Chinese snooping on them at the same time.

      The EU has the same stance on Huawei as the proposed UK one…keep them outside core infrastructure…but allow them on the periphary….but Huawei is deeply embedded in German communications infrastructure….to the core. Odd the BBC never mentions any of that.


  41. Guest Who says:

    ‘Views his own’ no doubt?

    Thing is, bbc, these are two people you have hired to promote ‘settled science’.

    Issuing dark muttering to any unimpressed is a concern to a public already noticing one power not held to account: the bbc.


    • Beltane says:

      ‘Sharp’ is not a word I would associate with either of these media inspired personalities.


  42. pugnazious says:

    Wee Shuggy says…

    So Boris’ points based system is a disaster for Scotland….and the BBC doesn’t look too hard at the SNP’s real position…it doesn’t for instance remind us that in the SNP’s ‘Guide to an independent Scotland’ they said….

    Click to access 00439021.pdf

    ‘ImmigrationScotland’s differing demographic and migration needs mean that the current UK immigration system has not served our interests. This Government plans, following independence, a points-based immigration system, targeted at particular Scottish needs. ‘

    What’s that? A points based system you say? I’ve heard that before somewhere.

    Oh and this crucial point for Scots in England, Wales and Ireland…

    ‘Citizenship and passports

    In taking forward the result of a vote for independence….

    Scottish-born British citizens currently living outside of Scotland will also automatically be considered Scottish citizens.

    OK…important because when there is another independence referendum the SNP cannot, as they did last time, block Scots living outside of Scotland from voting…the SNP clearly recognises them as citizens…thus you must get a vote.

    ‘There are about 750,000 people born in Scotland who live south of the border. On the 18 September, when voters in Scotland will be asked the yes/no question: “Should Scotland be an independent country?”, they won’t have a say. But many still have strong opinions. ‘


  43. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    I’ve just watched the first topic of the Big Question recorded earlier today.
    It’s about racism.
    They have found a (question time type audience) new way of holding debate programs.
    Everybody agrees with each other.
    All those picked to speak were given lots of virtue signalling applause for saying all the ‘right’ things and being righteous against whitey who is invariably a racist.

    Except for one brave chap who mentioned a couple of truths.
    Patel and Sunak holding 2 of the 3 top jobs in the land and Harry marrying mixed race Merkel.

    They also mentioned muslim being a race so if any of you reading this converts to Islam you immediately become a different race.


  44. pugnazious says:

    The BBC have dismissed complaints about that comment…that the crowd was so white and that flying the flag was not a welcoming view…..however the BBC actually didn’t mention the second part of the comment which clearly suggested that this was racism at work…

    ‘the BBC said Guru-Murthy “used the comment about the ethnicity of the crowd to move the discussion onto immigration and Brexit supporters’ desire for more controls”. ‘

    No, no she didn’t. She used it to suggest that Leave voters were white racists and that flying the Union flag, the national flag, was also racist and unwelcoming.

    Oh wait…the BBC goes on and admits Guru-Murthy was being racist as she thought ‘very white’ people had voted for Brexit to keep out Brown people….so she is guilty…but brown so it’s OK…

    ‘“Her question was whether this desire for more immigration controls had the effect of not being welcoming to black and ethnic minority people – which had been an issue that was discussed during and after the referendum campaign and a reasonable question on the night the UK was leaving the EU. So commenting on the ethnic mix of the crowd was giving context to the question. ‘

    And was it an issue during the campaign…or just something made into an issue by the likes of the BBC which took the stance that anyone who wanted to control immigration was a racist?

    Not an issue just something weaponised in order to demonise and silence Leave voters and politicians.


  45. pugnazious says:

    Darcy3 mentioned this but the BBC haven’t…it’s not even on the Birmingham local news page which you might think extraordinary as the BBC is big on the coronavirus and on racist hate crimes…but not in this case…wonder why.

    ‘Woman is savagely beaten in Birmingham ‘coronavirus rage’ attack after stepping in to defend her Chinese friend from racist abuse

    A woman was punched and knocked unconscious after she stepped in to defend her Chinese friend who was accused of carrying coronavirus.

    Trainee lawyer Meera Solanki, from Solihull, was out with friends celebrating her 29th birthday at Birmingham’s Ana Rocha Bar and Gallery on Frederick Street.

    Miss Solanki was inside the venue with her friends including Mandy Huang, 28, who was visiting from London, when the group were targeted by a group of Asian men.’

    So a group of Asian men attack a Chinese girl and hit an Asian woman…but the BBC ignores it all. Remember the fuss when a group of white boys were involved in a scuffle with two lesbians on a bus? …the fisticuffs actually started by the women as shown in a video.

    .Guess if you’re an Asian male you can get away with anything in the BBC’s books….attacking young white girls, terrorism or hate crimes against Chinese people…and indeed Asian women…punch ’em in the face it’s OK but, if you’re white and called Boris, mock the burkha and you’re a racist thug.


  46. pugnazious says:

    Adrian Chiles had on Benedict Spence and Sonia Sodha…Sonia a Guardian journalist and ex-Ed Miliband aide. Chiles told us he thought Blair’s recent comments were ‘poetry’ and that he had always admired Sonia’s work…Chiles is of course a dyed-in-the-wool Labour supporter, ex-drunk and vegan…which he never stops reminding us of in his programme…oh yes…and of Croatian descent…so ultra pro-immigration and anti-Brexit and UKIP…whom he thought were basically nazis as he said when they won so many seats in the European elections.

    The trio spent their time bashing Cummings and declaring that Andrew Sabiski was a racist for saying that Blacks in America had a lower IQ score than whites…perfectly true and not racist….also not an indication of innate intelligence…the IQ test relies not just on intelligence from genes but from learned intelligence that comes through the environment….so not saying Blacks are innately less intelligent..they just haven’t had the opportunities and education that whites or Hispanics may have had….Black immigrants do better than ‘native’ Blacks for instance.

    Chiles also goes off-ranch….into the pages of the Guardian of course….peddling climate change myths as ‘fact-checks’…lol…so BBC…


    ‘The ‘Greenies’ aren’t to blame for Australia’s bushfires. But lies are often more powerful than the truth

    Before I left the UK, a couple of otherwise smart people I know with friends in Australia told me the fires were caused by environmentalists, or the Greenies, as they’re known there. Apparently they had got in the way of judicious burning of sections of forest ahead of the fire season, to help tame the wildfires when they came. These Greenies, honestly.

    I looked into this. It turns out to be, well, complete bollocks – a conspiracy theory that has been doing the rounds for years and has been comprehensively debunked. Yet still it is believed, because most people will mostly believe what they want to believe.’

    Well…actually…it’s true. The Greens may say they accept the principle of controlled burning but they put so many conditions, caveats and demands around any attempt to actually burn that it doesn’t happen very often…as intended by the Greens.



  47. pugnazious says:

    Still can’t get over this…but all too redolent of the BBC to be provocative and try to rub white peoples’ noses in it…

    But have to laugh…Afua Hirsch on ‘whiteness’…like Adolf Hitler on ‘Jewishness’. Then again she does have similar racist ideology as Adolf…Black pride, black nationalism, separation of the races….not to mention cultural cleansing as she tries to erase all evidence of white culture and history from Britain…her demands for de-colonisation are in effect no different to the ideological book burnings of the nazis….the BBC recreating history by taking us back to the 1930’s.


  48. Fedup2 says:

    Chiles is one of those useful BBC droids who can be held up as an example of bias against Blighty – he made money during the traitor parliament period going on about getting his nice Croatian passport
    At least his home country won’t be subsidised by the UK taxpayer much longer . It doesn’t look like the divorce money is going to do much the expansion of the Reich .


  49. Guest Who says:

    Left Charlie has just listed the three Blair-enabled entities trying to screw over the country.


    • pugnazious says:

      Boris missing a trick…..not packing the NGOs with Tories as Blair did with Labour lackeys…who are still in power now….and ironically getting handouts from the government to oppose government policy.


  50. vlad says:

    “Woman knocked out defending Chinese friend in racist ‘coronavirus’ attack”

    Much of the media reporting the attack on 2 women in Birmingham by ‘Asian men’. We know what that’s code for: somehow I doubt they were Japanese, or Indian.

    Nothing as yet on Al-beeb, surprise surprise. If and when they get round to reporting it, chances are they’ll minimise or omit the ‘Asian men’ bit, and try to make it sound like a ‘racist’ attack.

    Already the Metro are lumping the story together with other shocking examples of ‘racism’ such as: “One woman described how a passenger had moved away from her on the Tube”.

    Switching seats isn’t quite the same as beating the crap out of someone, is it?