Midweek Thread 5 February 2020

The Government has announced the formal consultation on decriminalising not having a TV licence . In view of that I would ask that those with an interest in ending the BBC in its’ current form consider submitting their views to the government .
It is the most practical first step to achieving our aim

The link to the consultation is here –


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507 Responses to Midweek Thread 5 February 2020

  1. Up2snuff says:

    TWatO Watch #1 – Not enough CO2, water vapour & methane in the atmosphere so …….
    … the BBC fly silly old fart James Naughtie over to Iowa merely to comment on the Democratic Party’s shambolic caucus from there.

    Necessary emissions? No.

    Necessary expense? No.

    BBC annual budget savings potential? Yes.

    Get James Naughtie to retire and slash many hundreds of thousands of pounds from the BBC’s costs.

    Then reduce the TV Tax to a manageable Licence figure of, say, £25.


    • Fedup2 says:

      I can only think that naughtie is in some secret male society as he tries and fails to be Alistair Cook doing his ‘ imperial ‘ overview for the plebs from some bit of America .
      Meanwhile his ‘ mate ‘ John humphries has a column in the mail saying things about the BBC but still collecting that pension . Which I reckon is about £200k a year – if he was on £650k before being ‘ cut down ‘

      Got to pay for the ‘talent ‘ though …


      • Up2snuff says:

        There are rumours, Fed, there are rumours – say no more than that.

        Mr Naughtie does seem to exercise a certain ‘grip’ – for a second or third rate News journalist and presenter (his programmes about music and literature are rather better) – over the BBC hierarchy.


  2. s.trubble says:

    Sopel and his bumshoogle about opinion.

    Heard the rascal on R4 this morning…………..he rattled through the State of the Union speech….I thought he must have been reined in….
    and then bingo………..his opinion slipped out….with words to the effect
    ” the only thing that will be remembered from Trump,speech will be Nancy Pelosi tearing up her copy of it!”

    And there in a nutshell is the highly paid opnion of Mr Sopel.

    Time he got his jotters handed to him…..maybe bu these 4 goons who handed the modernisation out to these 450 excess to requirements operatives last week.


  3. StewGreen says:

    Brexit Doom
    “For John Shirley the stakes are high: he’s put his house up for sale because he believes leaving the EU Customs Union will ruin his Dover based freight agency company.”
    .. Yeh if you are a Brexiteer doomster the BBC will give you a programme
    Broadcast Monday


    • Nibor says:

      As one who was in a similar line of business ;

      How does Brexit make him fear for his business ?


  4. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    There’s a simple solution to the bbbc licence fee.

    If the bbbc stopped being extreme left, pc, woke, anti Boris, anti Farage, anti Trump, anti Brexit, anti white, pro mass immigration, pro all climate scares, pro all things eu, pro everything not British, pro islum and all the other things we pick up on, and became impartial, not a swing to the right or anything, just impartial, then I think it could carry on and most would be happy to pay the licence fee.

    It would also mean it would have to stop filling all the other programs and shows such as wildlife (full of climate rubbish) or ‘comedy’ (100% lefty crap)

    If they can do all this I would be happy to pay the licence fee.

    Simply put, if the bbbc were to completely change and become impartial there would be no licence fee problem.

    But they won’t change, will they.
    They are another lot that can’t be de radicalised.


  5. Thoughtful says:

    If you ever wondered about whether leaving Europe was the right thing to do, or you know people who are themselves conflicted show them this interview with Yanis Varoufakis Greek Finance minister.

    It’s an astonishing expose of how the liberal leftist elites in power have left logic and reality far behind in a world of unaccountable power which can only ever have one ending:


  6. andyjsnape says:

    Is the government avoiding the media and does it even matter?

    Maybe the government is avoiding the beeb, and who can blame them


    • StewGreen says:

      I expect Boris/ Tories hiding from the MSM will be the topic at 4:30pm media show
      update they just added this text : ”
      “Boris Johnson is accused of avoiding journalists and making his own videos”
      ..Poor English in that BBC sentence, since it is a fact he makes his own videos now ..they mean “partially by” not “and”

      Note the Disingenuous-bbc article hides a comment way down the page

      Harry Cole the Sun’s Political editor says
      ‘what are you talking about ? Corbyn and Labour systematically hide from the media and ban people etc.’


    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      The government avoiding the media, the public avoiding the media.
      One might think the Media must be doing something wrong.


  7. Terminal Moraine says:

    Post-Streatham, I heard for the nth time the tired line about how terrorists ‘seek to divide us’, and now this Guardian article from Shami’s successor at Liberty: “We won’t defeat terrorism by locking people up forever”.

    Martha Spurrier (Godolphin and Latymer school; Emmanuel College, Cambridge; human rights campaigner; Liberty director) says “public panic is the exact response that terrorism hopes to provoke.” She wants to scrap the Prevent scheme, thinks the prison system’s broken and a lack of resources mean we can’t rehabilitate naughty people (don’t even go near the I or M word).

    Division and panic may be secondary, but strangely erased from public conversation these days (i.e. fluff) is the recognition that terrorism looks to cause political and ideological upheaval, mostly because of long-held, irreconcilable grievances and animosity. It’s a predictable Guardian auto-response, musing on the bloody carnage on our streets as confronting us “with the fragility of life”. Apparently we need to have “evidence-based conversations about long-term solutions.”

    Well a good start would be for the Guardian and the BBC to not repeatedly and intentionally lie about the aims of terrorism whilst wafting around talking like you’re working on a new compendium of romantic poetry.


  8. StewGreen says:

    Quentin Letts: storm in a tea cosy as Boris Johnson takes on climate change

    “At the BBC you don’t stand a chance of being appointed Today programme tea-boy unless you have at least your City and Guilds in climate science and have recited a global-warming creed in front of Archbishop Roger Harrabin”

    “One of the newspapers had somehow obtained a letter from Mrs O’Neill to Mr Johnson in which she attacked him for not “leading … Silly old Royal Mail must have delivered it to the wrong address”


    • Richard Pinder says:

      The BBC censorship policy on Climate Science. The Scientists and the Science that the BBC doesn’t want you to know about. These are the probable identities of those scientists censored by the BBC. Richard Lindzen is “Banned”, Gerhard Gerlich is “Gagged”, Henrik Svensmark is “Not a Green” and Ned Nikolov is a “Wrong sort of Chap”. See below.


  9. StewGreen says:

    Romanian #Uber driver Cornel Mihai, 32, got a suspended prison sentence, 240hrs community service and 6m driving ban for conning a blind passenger out of a £20 tip. However, he didn’t walk free from Croydon Magistrates’ Court and was arrested on other charges

    the BBC connection : Blind Black opera singer Victoria Oruwari was a finalist in BBC show All Together Now: Episode 4


  10. StewGreen says:

    The Romanian embassy is defying a court order saying they must pay £75,000 rent for ambassador’s residence that they haven’t paid for 6 months.


  11. Up2snuff says:

    TWatO Watch #2 – How to pronounce Buttigieg

    Monty the Millionaire struggled with Mayor Pete’s surname. She is not unique in this. It was mangled by Martha on TODAY. Probably by Nick and the newsreader and the dog named Jake and a cat named Kalamazoo. All this despite the BBC having an expert on pronunciation on hand to advise. Even so-called US political ‘expert’ James Naughtie – flown to the US at the expense of setting fire to planet Earth – struggled with i before e except after c.

    No doubt the BBC have the pronunciation expert on call 24/7 so probably they have two or even three to cover the round-the-clock news coverage demanded by our age.

    Necessary expense? No, not really unless used well.

    BBC annual budget savings potential? Yes.

    Make these ‘experts’ redundant. Save thousands of pounds from the BBC’s costs.

    Then reduce the TV Tax to a manageable Licence figure of, say, £25.


    • taffman says:

      “Then reduce the TV Tax to a manageable Licence figure of, say, £25.”
      Nope, get rid of the Telly Tax altogether.
      Why should the people that don’t watch Al Beeb subsidise those who do ?
      If its so good, make it ‘pay by subscription’ and from the profit it makes, tax it like any other business. Its payback time.


      • Up2snuff says:

        taffman, I think if the TV Licence is completely abolished there is a danger that a Government, afraid to face down the BBC, will opt to make it part of general taxation, probably via Council Tax.

        Then the situation becomes even worse for everyone. At present, you can legally opt out of the TV Licence Fee.

        The BBC is far too large an organisation and very, very, inefficient. It should be possible to run a slimmed down BBC on a fraction of its present claimed £3.5bn income. The other option of a subscription payment could be manipulated by the BBC to shut out people entirely.

        One of the principles of pricing is make your service available, then make it better, then – if you can manage demand – go for scale and make your billions that way. If not, the other option is to provide a premium product to a restricted market in order to justify consumers being asked to pay a high price.


        • taffman says:

          Then we need a government that will face down Al Beeb .
          The problem, for far too long has been successive governments being afraid of that brainwashing, agenda driven, anti-British Broadcaster .
          I hope that Dominic Cummings visits and reads this site .
          Perhaps he might even be posting here ?


    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      I think it’s pronounced “Buttplug”.


  12. StewGreen says:

    “Gay Mafia Forces British Venues to Cancel Franklin Graham Worship Services”
    so far 6 out of 7 stadiums have cancelled on Billy Graham’s son.


  13. pugnazious says:

    In The Spectator from someone who clearly doesn’t watch the BBC with too critical an eye…

    In defence of the BBC

    ‘I sometimes wonder if I’m the last person left in Britain who loves the BBC and thinks it represents brilliant value for money. Yes, there is much with which to be infuriated – But does the BBC really deserve, once again, to be threatened with licence fee reform?

    The argument against the BBC licence fee is that it is effectively a tax. It isn’t – you can opt-out – but even if it were it would be a good thing.’

    Er….it is a tax and you can’t opt out if you want to watch the BBC or indeed any other TV channel live….just as VAT is a tax which you can ‘opt out’ of.

    ‘It’s a point so obvious it barely needs stating, but what makes the BBC near ineffably precious as a cultural institution is its blessed freedom from chasing ratings.’
    ‘The BBC’s output is a product and it is right that those of us who consume it should pay for it….If you think Mrs Brown’s Boys and Top Gear are don’t-know-where-to-look bad now, just wait until there are subscription packages to be sold. ‘

    Really? The BBC doesn’t chase ratings? Of course it does, it’s obsessed with them and is desperately chasing the youth market right now….and as for commercial services producing only dumbed-down slops for the masses that again is untrue, they produce just as much intellectual and fact driven documentary type programmes as the BBC ever would…and many times often better. Look at the BBC output and tell us how much is pap and how much fact/science/literature/art…plenty of all that of course but they also produce just as much ‘crowd-pleasing’ mind-numbing, time-wasting trivia as any other station. And who really produces the big, big hits…the BBC or the commercial channels? Game of Thrones, The Vikings, Breaking Bad, Twin Peaks, Fargo, Sons of Anarchy etc etc etc.

    ‘Yes, it seems now to be staffed, near exclusively, by gushing liberals and centrist Blairite refugees. But this is hardly surprising – nor such a bad thing. Gushing liberals are drawn more toward media careers than, say, science boffins, and it was ever thus. …
    Almost certainly, too much of what is currently broadcast as entertainment by the BBC is overly politicised or produced seemingly with no higher concern than signifying the obeisance of the makers to liberal shibboleths of mindless progressivism. But that’s a fad, and thankfully, it will soon pass, no doubt to be replaced in part by something else just as infuriating.’

    No…no, it will never pass…media types are, as he admitted left-leaning in the main, and that will never change….and their grip gets ever more powerful especially when working hand-in-hand with political parties and lobby groups like Greenpeace.

    ‘Every night, before they go to bed, my young children sit on our sofa with their warm milk and watch as a bedtime story is read to them by a celebrity on the CBeebies channel. It’s a lovely, thoughtful piece of programming. ‘

    Horrible Histories anyone?

    ‘We should be very careful indeed with how we handle BBC, because as a public service that is as brilliant as it is broad, it is irreplaceable. If we’re stupid enough to wreck it, we will miss it terribly and it will be impossible to mend. That might not be fashionable to say these days, but it’s the truth.’

    Nothing it does could not be done the same or better by a commercial station…and if the news is so vital for a democracy, as the BBC keeps telling us, we shouldn’t have to pay anything to access that news….pay by whatever means [subscription] for the ‘commercial’ entertainment but the news should be freely available. with no TV licence needed at all.


    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      It’s good to know that the BBC does not chase ratings. That must explain the Dr Who train wreck.


  14. Guest Who says:

    Good try Dave.

    But the divide and fail route… #winning.


    • taffman says:

      “But actually, most people love the BBC for its comedy and drama.”
      What’s he talking about? Al Beeb don’t do comedy .
      It hasn’t done so since Pontius was a ‘pilot’.


    • pugnazious says:

      Yeah and when you ask them what comedy…Fools and Horses, Porridge, Open All Hours, Fawlty Towers, Dad’s Army, Ab Fab, Allo Allo, Are You Being Served?, Blackadder, Monty Python…..hmmmm…all the old ones….funny that…guess Pish Kumar isn’t everyone’s British cup of tea.


  15. Guest Who says:

    BBC Newsnight

    The government insists it’s not avoiding the media – but critics are claiming otherwise.

    It comes after a mass walkout of political journalists at Downing Street, when reporters say they weren’t allowed into a meeting


    The BBC is a parody of the BBC.


    • Richard Pinder says:

      Why do we need Journalists if we can watch BBC Parliament all day. I have recordings of climate scientist appearing on government committees which did not appear in the Mainstream Media. Ordinary people are therefore having to watch BBC Parliament all day and then use the internet to tell us what the Journalist have censored. Also Scientists in Britain are now having to producing their own Journalism, because Journalists and Politicians are on the side of Environmental Activists in a War against Science.

      I have to go now, Nigel is on LBC, telling us about something censored by the BBC.


      • JimS says:

        “I have recordings of climate scientist appearing on government committees which did not appear in the Mainstream Media.”

        Best not talk about it. It’s probably illegal to know such things. I am starting to wonder if I should get rid of the BBC book, The Weather Machine, by Nigel Calder. That was when we were doomed to die of a new ice age.

        The conclusion is always the same, they just change the method from time-to-time. (Pound up, we are doomed. Pound down, we are doomed).


    • Guest Who says:

      Sorry… BBC Newsbeat.

      Not sure if that makes the effort sillier or more sinister.


  16. pugnazious says:

    The BBC pandering to the usual whiners who blame race prejudice for their failure…

    ‘My African name stopped me getting job opportunities’

    Really? Where’s the evidence…and stopped her doing what exactly…it’s hard to tell from this sloppy report that seems to have been dashed off in a hurry by someone desperately looking for a story and finding this half-baked idea.

    The ‘evidence’ amounts to her own perceptions alone…

    ‘Ms Abimbola said: “I found a number of barriers to entering the profession because I had an African name and am a black woman, without any doubt.”

    She told the BBC: “I had to make over 100 phone calls to get a foot in the door.’

    Apart from the fact that there are ethnic minority lawyers swarming all over Britain [Sadiq Khan for instance] if you listen to most job hunters they will tell you it took a lot of graft and constant rejection before they got their break…Dyson, and the guy who invented the Black and Decker Workmate, were both rejected again and again for their inventions….white males…and still not given the red carpet funnily enough.

    Google a bit and you’ll see why the BBC story is nonsense…or even check their own archives for stories like this one…

    ‘Since May, Sheri Bennett, from California, has applied for more than 200 jobs online, but she is still looking for work.

    “I have not had many call-backs at all, and a lot of the companies don’t even send a courtesy email that you’ve not been selected,” she says.’

    Plenty more on the web…

    I Got Rejected From Jobs 100 Times—Here’s What It Taught Me About Dream Careers’ Name…Shanna Hocking

    And unfortunately one blond, white girl was rejected so many times she killed herself…

    ”I don’t want to be me any more’: Student, 21, with 10 GCSEs and 3 A-levels kills herself after being rejected from 200 jobs’

    Plus…the stats say your chances are slim whatever…

    ‘Why only 2% of applicants actually get interviews’
    ‘The internet has made it very easy for people to search out and apply to many job opportunities. But sending out more applications doesn’t increase your chances of getting hired. Sending out better applications does. Employers have told us that sometimes as many as 75% of applicants for a given role aren’t actually qualified to do it.
    Experts say that only an even smaller fraction than that are selected for an interview. “98% of job seekers are eliminated at the initial resume screening and only the “Top 2%” of candidates make it to the interview”.’


    • G says:

      “Ms Abimbola said: “I found a number of barriers to entering the profession because I had an African name and am a black woman, without any doubt.””.
      Could it be the one that was filmed recently peeing on a London bus right on a disabled bay?


  17. StewGreen says:

    The Greensupremacists cultists have a massive effect on lives
    There are no unicorns to pay for the subsidies and inefficiencies of Green Dreamery
    so the economy will lose resources that could have saved millions of lifedays.
    Tuesday Sky have a full page green advert in The Times.

    “We’re going Net Zero Carbon by 2030
    – 2 decades before we have to, because the world can’t wait. 🙌🌍
    We’ll introduce renewable energy, zero-emissions fleets
    and we’ll plant carbon sinks to offset emissions we can’t cut (yet).
    🌱 Find out more 👉 https://skygroup.sky/sky-zero #GoZero

    Then on Twitter Drax group shout “We too”
    FFS ..the same corp that brings in coconut shells all the way to the UK to burn alongside their US wood


  18. john in cheshire says:

    This latest from the We Got a Problem YouTube channel, exemplifies Arrested Development.

    I have to wonder how these people get into University let alone Cambridge ( and Oxford is just the same ). And what she is studying because I’d say it’s not Engineering.

    Will her notoriety because of the exposure she’s getting for her abnormal behaviour have a detrimental effect on her employability? I can only hope so because unless she’s going to be a teacher or a social worker, I doubt any healthy company would want to touch her with a barge pole.


    • taffman says:

      The snowflakes are banning people that protect their very lives and protect their freedom of speech. I thought that they were all leaving for Europe.
      Studying ?
      They certainly have lessons to learn.


  19. Deborah says:

    Money Box Wednesday afternoon was discussing the cost of putting on a wedding. Most of what they had to say was stating the bleedin obvious. Perhaps useful was that a wedding cake could set the happy couple back a £1,000 and that usually a marriage causes a will to be null and void. Two young women in the studio, one recently married on a very small budget and I think the other to marry shortly. Twenty five minutes through a half hour programme, the recently married refers to ‘her wife’ and repeated the expression two minutes later. In all honesty, I have long given up worrying whether a couple are not married, in a civil partnership or are married in church. But it is the predictability of the BBC and it is bloody boring. I don’t know what percentage of all marriages are between same sex couples but the BBC gives the impression of over 50%.


  20. StewGreen says:

    Danish police seize Hyde Park mansion from Sanjay Shah
    “The property belongs to Sanjay Shah, a London-born investor, who is a suspect in the Danish arm of the investigation into the so-called cum-ex, or dividend stripping, scandal that prosecutors allege cost the Nordic country $1.8bn.”
    more from Danish newspaper


    • StewGreen says:

      Suspect is Indian born of Kenyan Parents.
      Sanjay Shah, 48,
      Resides in Dubai.
      Was raised in London by parents of Indian ancestry who had immigrated from Kenya. //


  21. Up2snuff says:

    The BBC has a completely useless ‘search engine’ on its web-site. I searched for this ‘State of the Union 2012: Barack Obama claims fact-checked’. Nothing came up. Today, the BBC are showing this link on their web-site ‘Trump’s State of the Union speech fact-checked’. If I search for that article in eight years time will the w/s Search Engine bring it up? I doubt it.

    BBC annual budget savings potential? Yes.

    Make James Purnell, Head of Digital, and the web-site team redundant. Outsource the job to a contractor to create a decent BBC web-site and on-line archive. Save thousands of pounds or millions of pounds from the BBC’s costs.

    Then reduce the TV Tax to a manageable Licence figure of, say, £25.


    • Guest Who says:

      I am erring on flattening every studio and then salting the earth afterwards.

      How about we meet half way and make it.. £0 to anyone who thinks the BBC is a threat to the profession of broadcasting and country, and require it to remove the word ‘British’ from whatever subscription brand that seeks to generate actual funding from a voluntary paying audience?


    • StewGreen says:

      You’re being sarcastic
      search using google
      site:bbc.co.uk XYZ
      and use date controls if you need to

      I get …
      State of the Union: Obama calls for end to inequality – BBC News

      I gather that Trump doesn’t need to end inequality,
      cos Obama has already done it.
      Just like he stopped police accidentally shooting people /NOT


      • Up2snuff says:

        Stew, you are a computer ace. I’m just an ordinary person typing the same question in to the BBC’s search box. But I concede, I was being a bit sarky but to make a serious point. The BBC web-site is defective. Evidence?

        You type in the search words into a small box and lo – your words re-appear elsewhere, in a much larger box.


        • JimS says:

          As you say, the BBC website search feature isn’t the best tool in the box.

          The fact that there are other, non-BBC, ways to skin a cat misses the point, after all shouldn’t we be able to trust ‘our’ BBC rather than a Yankee byte-basher?


    • StewGreen says:

      The Times is already annointing Pete Buttigieg as the new Obama


  22. taffman says:

    A quick look at Al Beeb’s website “business page” and see so much bunk! Its all about anti pretty girls with good looking figures, so much rubbish .
    Its time it went, sign here and tell your mates …………….


  23. StewGreen says:

    Melanie Phillips writes in the Times
    ..and countless wokemob tweet ‘Its Melanie that is the extremist’


  24. Dystopian says:

    FFS Can’t they just put out fires!

    Ooh Mr Fireman come quickly and fetch your big hose….



  25. Sluff says:

    You honestly can’t make it up.

    On the BBC 1 6 pm news…..
    There is a feature on the challenge to the BBC’s licence fee paying income model.
    The very next feature is on the forthcoming Irish general election.
    This coverage begins, out of all the things they could start with, with…….wait for it…….. an interview with a lesbian who is a long-standing supporter of Galway gay pride!!!!!!!!

    And they wonder why they are under pressure.


  26. NISA says:

    Sopel tells us on the BBC 6pm News that Trump absolutely, no doubt snubbed Pelosi’s offer of a hand shake. He may well be right, but how can he be so certain? Should he just report events rather than giving dogmatic opinions?
    (I think she could have been more certain of her hand being taken if she had received the speech with her left hand, leaving her right available )


    • Sluff says:

      As the democrats implode and Trump sails serenely on, and the BBC desperately try and fail to undermine him, its reporters are increasingly taking on the mantle of people who have been force-fed sour milk shortly before going on air.


      • Fedup2 says:

        I often wonder who the BBC thinks they are broadcasting to when they attack President Trump . Americans won’t have time for a foreign broadcaster – except the metros who are democrats anyway .

        So why push the anti Trump propaganda at us all the time ? They have never got the fact that he is not a politician like the rest of their swamp and won’t play the conventional game .

        I really hope BoJo and co have imported some of the Pres Trump tactics just to antagonise the bubble for a while .

        As for Sopel and the rest . I fear for their mental health when Mr Trump is re elected and then really fired up the swamp draining agenda .


        • Roland Deschain says:

          I couldn’t give a damn about their mental health. They deserve what their own derangement brings them.


  27. Deborah says:

    6.30 pm local news on BBC1 and there was an item including an interview with a woman trying to sell lobsters etc to markets in China because of Brexit selling into Europe could be hard. She was asked what she thought now of Brexit. She started and said ‘from a business point of view it was difficult ‘ but she was cut off very very sharply. It was so obvious that there was going to be ‘on the other hand” moment but the BBC couldn’t have anything said good about Brexit.


  28. Guest Who says:

    BBC News

    UK MP Emily Thornberry talked about being “squeezed” in the race to become the next Labour leader, it being a “more credible” party and how she’s never kissed a Tory. 😘

    (via BBC Politics) bbc.in/31vxJXj


    Baddiel may have a point. Their news is hilarious.


  29. RobRoy says:

    There’s a petition going to ‘Make the BBC give unbiased voice to scientific view that climate change is purely natural.’ Looks like it needs some more publicity.

    You can sign at https://www.change.org/p/bbc-director-general-lord-hall-and-ofcom-chairman-lord-burns-bbc-give-unbiased-voice-to-scientific-view-that-climate-change-is-purely-natural


  30. Guest Who says:

    Radio Four

    Do Orwell’s ideas resonate in 2020?
    Listen to Orwell in Five Words: https://bbc.in/2Sj8qns


    The BBC’s delusion that Orwell was not warning about the bbc is… quaint.


    • Thoughtful says:

      Biographers and critics have routinely seen the Ministry of Truth – a branch of government pushing out propaganda – in Nineteen Eighty Four (1948) as a disguised version of BBC Broadcasting House and surmised that “newspeak”, the euphemistic and deliberately confusing language used in his future society, was modelled on the BBC’s long tradition of bureaucratic jargon and rules about acceptable on-air language.

      These connections are compelling to anyone who works in the BBC after reading the book. And, as the techniques and effects of propaganda are a central theme of the novel, it is obviously relevant and fascinating that the writer’s role at the BBC was directly involved with the transmission of pro-British propaganda to India.


  31. fakenewswatcher says:

    Andrew Neil tried to flatten John Whittingdale on his beeb2 programme, attacking the Conservative party for trying to undermine its licence fee income.
    W. was very measured and patient, if not to say wishy-washy, in his response. There was an opportunity to tell beeb a few home truths, but W. (he will think ‘wisely’) kept well clear.
    I know Neil plays tough in general, but one could detect his ire with Tories, whom he repeatedly accused of ‘revenge’ for beeb promoting an anti-Brexit bias. This is where W could have hammered home a few cold, hard facts. Alas, he chose to desist.
    This issue could then have been widened to address beeb bias in general, and Boris would have fought back with the same aggression Neil showed. Trump would probably have torn Mr Smug from limb to limb at the petulant and self-righteous (not to mention self-serving) tone of the interrogation.


    • NISA says:

      Neil was discussing decisions taken by Whittingdale etc four years ago but
      1. repeatedly stated that the BBC had lost 20% of its funding in real terms, whereas Whittingdale/Govt at that time had allowed the BBC to increase its tax each year by the rate of inflation. The loss referred to by Neil resulted from the freeze from 2010 whilst other tax funded services were being CUT IN CASH TERMS. Whitingdale made minimal objection to Neil’s arbitrary time scale
      2. Whittingdale did not push back by pointing out that the BBC were reneging (A favourite BBC word) on their undertaking to bear the reduction in revenue for allowing free licences to the Over 75s – which was a quid pro quo for the licence increase in 1 above


    • Fedup2 says:

      I don’t think W has the forensic capability to take on a red meat Scot like Andrew Neil . It takes someone like Farage to do that . But those two are unlikely to be seen in the same room until after the presidential election.

      And Neil will be instructed to do an amateur marr assassination attempt again and pretend that mr Farage didn’t drive the UK out of the ReichEU . Which he did – whatever the media and bubble think of him .

      I’m overseas at the moment and I read the NYTimes – talking about the respectability of Far Right political groupings across Europe . Obviously it included brexit and the brexit Party In this . Deluded bubble strikes again.


  32. Guest Who says:

    Hands up who knows, or cares, what a ‘pool spray’ is?

    Is this bald coot for real?


    • Sabreman64 says:

      Are the BBC having orgasms yet over the fact that Romney is going to vote to convict Trump? To be honest, no-one should be surprised that Romney is voting to convict. He’s always hated Trump. He’s probably bitter that he never became president in 2012 while Trump was elected in 2016. Romney is a Republican in name only loser.

      So have any other Republican senators announced they’re going to vote to convict Trump? Not that it matters. They’ll still not get anywhere near the 67 needed to remove Trump.


  33. john in cheshire says:

    Returning to the subject of outlawing ICE and Hybrid cars. I have a hybrid car and renewed my annual road fund licence today. It’s still £0 so I’m saving some money.

    However, the point I want to highlight is that the DVLC website is now advertising and promoting electric cars.

    Really? Is this what we want our servants to do?
    If they can promote cars why not TVs or food or medicines or anything they decide is their job to advertise. Is this overstepping their remit? Leading Beyond Authority – Common Purpose?


  34. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC TV News at 19.00 on 5.2.20.

    BBC report from the US Senate regarding President Trump:
    (Opening line and all word for word).

    Female BBC Reporter: “He reminded America why he is such a divisive figure”.

    Male BBC Reporter: “The President touted a litany of his achievements, several of which have been disputed by fact checkers”. (Who, what, when?).
    “He made an appeal even to African American voters?”

    Now over to Jon Sopel:
    “Paradoxically, the stand-out moment of the speech was not words. First, he deliberately refused to shake Nancy Pelosi’s hand. Look at her facial expressions as the speech progressed! And finally, the coup de gras at Republicans blistering their hands in applause – Pelosi made clear what she thought of the speech”. (clip of her ripping up speech shown twice).

    President Trump: “ Income is soaring, jobs are booming, poverty is falling, crime is falling, confidence is surging. Our country is thriving and highly respected again. African-American unemployment has reached an all time low”.

    Jon Sopel: “Look at the sea of faces. Either loving or loathing, a microcosm of America”.

    The BBC made no acknowledgement as to Trump’s achievements. The BBC only voiced sneering criticism of their top hate-figure, almost rivalling Brexit in intensity. 🙁


    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Sentry- needless to say, the childish Pelosi speech tearing got the full beeb focus, without being criticised as such. But then, beeb criticism of anything any Democrat does would be a surprise. After 3 years we still await any hint of the futile and expensive Dem. coup attempt to be called out by beeb, and perhaps this is what has really been the MOST ‘divisive’.
      Bad losers? Calling the Dems THAT would be quite beyond the insight and courage of Sopel and (the large) Co. and yet that is what drives the Shiffs and Pelosis, frustrated that Mueller -with all the rsources poured into that little effort to get rid of the President- flopped so miserably.
      If the Dems fail to impeach now, they will keep on trying, so deep-seated and blind is their hatred of Trump. As the election kicks off (miserably in Iowa), Dems will want to keep the impeachment argument on the boil. They suspect it’s the only way they’ll win.
      Sopel/o’Donoghue/Buckle etc will breathlessly report their every move, one suspects, while eagerly awaiting any chance to blacken the President.
      Impartial? Dear oh dear!


    • Roland Deschain says:

      Of course he refused to shake Pelosi’s hand. Thus depriving her of the opportunity to theatrically clean it.


  35. PRW73 says:

    Fear ye not, by the time 2035 comes around they will have changed their mind. It would not surprise if they were advising you to buy a diesel/ hybrid as the cleanest cars in the world – no charging points, renewal of leccy infrastructure etc! Diesels are even now remarkably clean. It’s the timing that counts – when to buy a diesel/hybrid as prices collapse and you get a great long lasting car very cheaply as opposed to a very expensive EV!


  36. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Did you notice Sky’s use of words when Trump was talking of his achievements.
    They used the word ‘boasting’ (Trump was boasting about …….)

    Quite an emotive word used to try and make him look bad.

    Still, it’s what we have come to expect.


  37. Up2snuff says:

    The BBC claim they lose £200million if the TV Licence is decriminalised and that they will have to close (TV?) channels, as reported by the i Newspaper today.

    If a TV channel costs up to £200m, then three cost £600m and the web channel probably less than that basic figure, so let’s say £750m for the lot. Radio by its nature must be less than £200m, I would have thought, so eight/nine national networks would, at a guess, come in at less than £1000m.

    Generously allowing £1.75bn in total for national BBC TV Channels & Radio Networks suggests the TV Licence could at least be halved just by shedding the regional and local ‘stations’ before any other cuts or re-organisation are considered.


  38. Up2snuff says:

    The BBC appear to be implying from the picture used that the coronavirus can be caught from Chinese food, here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news under Full Story – ‘Five need-to-know things about coronavirus.’


    • Thoughtful says:

      Perhaps you remember the foot and mouth outbreak and the Sun headline “Sheep & Sow Are Source”?

      Smuggled meat was blamed for the outbreak, but why on earth would anyone do that? Surely there couldn’t have been more than pennies in savings?

      Having said that if smuggled meat from China was a possible cause of the foot & mouth outbreak then it’s more than possible that it could cause Caronavirus.

      Gotta love the vibrancy !


  39. Charlie Farley says:

    John in Cheshire
    Of course at some point there will be tax payable on electric vehicles ….it happened on the low emission cars that increased from £20 to £145…….luckily I am still paying £20 on one of mine


    • ToobiWan says:

      Not just the vehicle, Charlie but the electricity as well. When one considers how much revenue is collected from fuel duty, no government is going to tolerate a reduction in this just because the “fuel” is not fossil based. Think how much has been lost in tax following the smoking ban and reduction in the number of smokers and increase in smuggling of tobacco products, it will need to made up from somewhere.


      • Charlie Farley says:

        My thoughts exactly as there is a huge take with the fuel duty …..back at the start of VAT it was always presumed that it was to pay for being part of the EEC / EU ……correct me if I am wrong !


        • ToobiWan says:

          Correct Charlie, VAT replaced purchase tax in 1973 and was levied to finance the running of the EU in all its iterations. This is why we had no say in the rates we were allowed to apply for various goods and services. The highest in the EU is currently Hungary at 27%; the lowest is Luxembourg at 17% Interestingly, Luxembourg is also a net recipient of EU “largesse”


  40. ToobiWan says:

    Any chance of the Don authorising a drone strike on W1A 1AA?
    (Asking for a friend)


    • Fedup2 says:

      Toobi – I was wondering if that might be an option for the Islamic terrorists being released from belmarsh . Each one can have a complementary reaper drone with those missiles which avoid ‘ collateral ‘ damage .

      Different issue
      I picked up something on Twitter about the app that failed for the democrats in Iowa . It says that the majority shareholder in the company was a mr G Soros . Maybe he has a bet on Mr Trump winning in November ….


      • ToobiWan says:

        Fedup2, If true he must be laying an each way bet. I read an article a few weeks ago which intimated that “Dr Evil’ was the man who had initiated and financing the Trump impeachment circus. Personally, I think Soros is the public face we are allowed to boo and hiss and it’s the ones behind him, hiding in the shadows that are the real problem.


  41. taffman says:

    It looks like Trump will be acquitted ? Trump set for another term .
    Over to Al Beeb , lets see how will they spin it ?


    • Kaiser says:

      keep up taff 🙂

      weve had russia gate and ukraine gate whats next moldova gate

      note to bbc
      “This second vote fell exactly along party lines – all Democrats voted to convict and all Republicans voted to acquit: 53-47” actually theres one flipper per party ijots


  42. Thoughtful says:

    An interesting insight into the minds of the metropolitan elites with the publication of GQs 50 most influential people – most of whom you will never have heard of!


    Largely it’s a collection of libtards and any list which deliberately omits someone like Tommy Robinson who has been massively influential is clearly on a hate mission.
    Nigel Farage is also omitted in what is clearly a ludicrous piece of scribbling by a media so out of touch with reality it really has lost the plot.


  43. Roland Deschain says:

    Not “Trump acquitted” but “Trump remains in office”. Along with smug face.


    You know how this will work, of course. The left, being the left, simply won’t accept the result.

    [Edit: now updated to Trump acquitted]


  44. popeye says:

    10.00 news – First item China Coronavirus story, ongoing.

    Second item – Trump acquitted

    I seem to remember that when he was first impeached it was first item. Agenda? Of course not!


  45. pugnazious says:

    What will they come up wih next?

    Trump acquitted on all charges…so not impeached whatever the BBC’s Beauty says [and how can it really be a genuine impeachment when it is so obviously a very one-sided partisan political manoeuvre?]….numerous attempts by the Democrats to remove the President, doing so in their own Party interest rather than allowing the country to get on and do the job of governing….the BBC just doesn’t notice the Democrat’s corruption and abuse of the democratic processes.
    How long’s that? Three years wasted and no doubt some other ‘scandal’ will be fabricated in order to have another go. Democrats doing Russia’s work…and Sopel and the BBC helping out admirably and not a little enthusiastically.

    And poor old Mitt Romney…never even got the chance to be corrupt as he never managed to get his foot in the door of the White House….must be galling to be The Chosen One, white, rich, patrician and be beaten to the White House by some vulgar New York hick.



    • Roland Deschain says:

      Impeachment charges:


      • JimS says:

        18 U.S. Code § 1361. Government property or contracts

        Whoever willfully injures or commits any depredation against any property of the United States, or of any department or agency thereof, or any property which has been or is being manufactured or constructed for the United States, or any department or agency thereof, or attempts to commit any of the foregoing offenses, shall be punished as follows:

        If the damage or attempted damage to such property exceeds the sum of $1,000, by a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than ten years, or both; if the damage or attempted damage to such property does not exceed the sum of $1,000, by a fine under this title or by imprisonment for not more than one year, or both.

        Did someone say that no-one was beyond the law? Suck it up Nancy!


      • fakenewswatcher says:

        Fox reports from US that Pelosi actually broke the law, when doing this.
        Beeb TV news at 10, unsurprisingly, showed us Romney (condemning Trump). They could have given us some of the Ted Cruz’ speech (and I have strong reservations about Cruz) in which he very ably states why impeachment was out of the question.
        All this -of course- after a lengthy beeb news leader on the virus story; no question: an impeachment would have had the virus running a distant second.
        And Sopel wouldn’t have been forced to admit (keeping face straight and voice even) that the President had had a good week.
        Sorry Jim, not trying to steal your thunder, we were typing simultaneously.


  46. Roland Deschain says:



  47. Kaiser says:

    just to show some of the press will print any old sh*t* if it fits the agenda



  48. pugnazious says:

    Andrew Neil once again letting himself down as he acts as a mouthpiece for the BBC rather than an impartial journalist…

    Neil claims no left-wing news orgs let into briefing…er…the BBC, Guardian, ITV, Sky and Remain Times [which hates Boris] were all on the list….hardly fans of the Tories or Brexit.


    • taffman says:

      “they have all gone and we’re still here ” – Neil
      Hopefully, not for long .
      Get a move on Dominic and abolish the Tell Tax.


  49. Deborah says:

    Tonight 10pm BBC1 news Sophie Rayworth was wearing black, the other night it was Fiona Bruce in the same colour of mourning. I hadn’t seen either in black until this week. What I haven’t worked out is whether it is for a failed Remain campaign or the failure to get Trump impeached.


  50. fakenewswatcher says:

    Very small beer, compared to Washington or Brexit, but another sign of the times?
    In the German federal State of Thuringia, the ruling Socialist/Green coalition is defeated, because of AfD (roughly like UKIP)support for a new FDP (roughly like Libdem) leader.
    AfD wouldn’t have been mad keen on putting Libs in power, but the numbers game meant this was the only way of getting rid of Merkel’s buddies.
    (For those of you thinking: but she’s Christian Democrat -CDU- that’s what she would like everyone to think. And it seems to have worked rather well for a very long time!)
    Unlikely that the beeb will be telling you this, unless they can find a ‘far right’ angle.