Weekend Thread 25 January 2020

The BBC has a policy line that it is doing ok because it is attacked by left and right . So the challenge is – list those policies of the Right to which the BBC is biased or supports . And I write that as a challenge to readers and users of this site . Who are the right wing BBC journalists ? And explain why they are ‘right wing ‘ Where is the anti left wing bias ? Oh yes – show all ‘workings ‘ in your answers….

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371 Responses to Weekend Thread 25 January 2020

  1. john in cheshire says:

    Has anyone else read John Ward’s the Slog article yesterday?

    Here’s the part that caught my eye:

    ” While in India, I met many British people who appeared to live there all year round, perhaps going elsewhere during the rainy season. Some of these are residents who do so quite legally. Others aren’t.

    Of those who aren’t, a surprising number were UK high-rise council tenants. Having stumbled across a conversation one afternoon (I was myself having some issues with the visa police) it became clear that they were illegals, but had “all the necessary, genuine paperwork” if challenged. After some further conversations elsewhere, this appeared to be the racket:

    Unemployed UK council house tenants claiming various benefits were using corrupt DWP admin suppliers to get ‘signed off’ each week as “seeking work”. In fact, they were in Goa.
    They had no trouble staying in Goa because they were issued renewal or permanent visas by the local officials, no questions asked….except a price.
    To further cover living costs, they were illegally sub-letting their UK council flats – sometimes to migrants who were themselves illegals. (Many readers will remember the glaring inconsistencies in the enumeration of those who had been occupying flats in the Grenfell Tower tragedy)
    So by illegal Rachmanism and at the expense of the UK social security system, they were soaking up rays 4,500 miles away. Nice work if you can get it.

    None of this is news in Whitehall: in 2017 (the year when I was in Goa) the National Audit Office estimated that the DWP had been defrauded on benefits alone to the tune of £5 billion.”

    Note the comment about Grenfell Tower.

    Who are these DWP employees and why aren’t they in prison?


    • G says:

      “Who are these DWP employees and why aren’t they in prison?”
      I’d gamble on the fact that they are of the same race as the, “British people” you describe.


    • StewGreen says:

      Reminds me of the £8bn Muslim VAT fraud that no one talks about
      tweet of The Times report


    • maxincony says:

      john in cheshire,

      Note the comment about Grenfell Tower.
      Who are these DWP employees and why aren’t they in prison?

      The whole of John Ward’s “article” is nothing more than the equivalent of; *this is what some bloke told me down the pub*.

      Many readers will remember the glaring inconsistencies in the enumeration of those who had been occupying flats in the Grenfell Tower tragedy

      There were no “glaring inconsistencies”; just another one of the endless (and increasingly desperate) attempts to assimilate Grenfell into a continuing anti-immigrant narrative promoted by sites such as this.


      • StewGreen says:

        The courts found 17 people guilty of Grenfell fraud
        almost all were non-white

        Also see this


        • maxincony says:


          The courts found 17 people guilty of Grenfell fraud
          almost all were non-white

          It’s a sad fact of life that many large scale disasters attract fraudsters looking for easy money. That was just as true after 9/11 as it was after Grenfell.

          By categorising Grenfell fraudsters solely by their skin-colour you are simply proving my point.

          Also see this…

          Still no evidence of anyone sub-letting; just Sajid David playing to the gallery and distracting media attention away from the ultimate responsibility of his own government.


          • lojolondon says:

            OK, ignoring skin colour – is it fair to say that almost no residents of Grenfell were legally in Britain??


          • StewGreen says:

            The evidence that UK government wasn’t going to pursue sublet fraud is evidence that something was going on
            i did not categorise the fraudsters by skin colour.
            It is just that the only white fraudster was a woman given charge with handing out the funds, even though she’d be fired from her NHS job for fraud.


            • StewGreen says:

              The original point still stands true
              ” the glaring inconsistencies in the enumeration of those who had been occupying flats in the Grenfell Tower tragedy”

              When the tragedy played out the authorities weren’t sure how many people were missing
              Cos the number of people in each flat didn’t match the rental records”

              The actual detail of who was illegally subletting is another matter.
              And doesn’t matter what colour their skin is, a crime is a crime.
              And overcramming people in may have contributed to the overall death count.


      • Darcy3 says:

        Maxi the bells ringing down the pub does seem to coincide with the time of your after hours comments, thank goodness I do not have the pleasure of your company in any licensed premises nearby, although judging by the tone of your comments not likely as I suspect your choice of venue would not be too far from the latest dolphin friendly nuclear free vegan musical


  2. taffman says:

    First this ………
    Next this…………………………..
    “Power to the People”!


    • StewGreen says:

      After 5 years that petition is at 360K sigs
      ( BUT 38 degrees allows foreigners to sign
      and multiple signatures from people who have more than one email )


  3. taffman says:

    “Brexit day 50p coin unveiled by Chancellor Sajid Javid”
    Get Britannia back on our coins Sajid.


    • Beltane says:

      Sadly, the coin does look rather like a Victorian temperance token, but since it appears to have raised that buffoon Heseltine’s blood pressure to new heights, it has its merits.
      The coiffed idiot apparently complains that the coin ‘rubs our noses (in the defeat)’ but I wonder how much he’d have spent on BBC champagne had the result gone his way?


      • taffman says:

        This coin is causing a lot of angst with the Remoaners, Remainers, Rejoiners and Snowflakes. They are all crying in their beer/milk.
        They come from a generation that were not taught that sometimes you just can’t have your own way . They don’t like losing and they are not used to losing.
        That’s all we hear from them is that the 2016 referendum was “divisive”. Well, all elections, ballots and referendums are divisive.
        A Reminder to snowflakes etc , a 50p coin was minted when we joined the Common Market . There was no crying then .
        Repeat, they just don’t like losing. Democracy won !
        Great Britain, against all odds proved that democracy is still alive . The world’s democratic nations are proud of us .


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  4. Guest Who says:

    BBC News

    Country music has deep roots in African-American culture, but the genre is dominated by white artists.

    We head to Nashville to speak to Jimmie Allen about representation in country music.


    Bet they rowed there too.


    • taffman says:

      Guest Who
      Erm …..\\The most significant impact of Celtic music on American styles, however, is undoubtedly that on the evolution of country music, a style which blends Anglo-Celtic traditions with “sacred hymns and African American spirituals”. Country music’s roots come from “Americanized interpretations of English, Scottish and Scots-Irish traditional music, shaped by African American rhythms, and containing vestiges of (19th century) popular song, especially (minstrel songs)”//?


  5. Guest Who says:


    There is also Anna Soubry and the notion of Andrew Marr not in his jammies, if you can stomach it.

    I’d prefer Gollum in a mankini.


  6. Guest Who says:

    It is a mystery.


    • Not Gwent says:

      Whenever I encounter a remainer ‘heartbroken’ at the ‘broken European dream’ I point out that we never bought into the Euro nor Schengen. At best we were half in. Come January 31 we’ll be half out.

      No doubt the campaign to remain will turn into the campaign to rejoin. Will it be all in next time?


      • Fedup2 says:

        As I plan my personal celebration of our first stage of leaving the ReichEU I was thinking about the way the BBC will ‘cover ‘ it .
        I’m guessing that they’ll be looking for drunken middle aged white men having a scrap and confirming the stereo type the BBC prefer for leavers .

        I understand that Heseltine has written something about ‘not wanting remainers’ noses being rubbed in it ‘ . Once upon a time I’d have agreed . But the way the BBC/Soros/bercow conspiracy has conducted itself he and his type ( major , Blair , brown , may, grieve , letwin ,Soubry , Corbyn et al ) deserves all the bitter tears they shed .

        Although I think they’ll try to pretend nothing will ever change .


        • Dover Sentry says:

          My view Fed, is that the BBC will move to Phase II.

          I’ve already seen an online petition that is circulating on Facebook. It’s slant is that ‘We’ll see EU again’ when we rejoin. Please let us back etc.

          Vomit inducing in my opinion. The pure hatred for Democracy and also for Brexit voters is out there.

          There are those of the middle-ground who are playing a game of wait-and-see. Much of the south-east voted for remain as they feared a drop in precious house prices. If they increase, which is likely, we should see support for Brexit and perhaps a few red faces 🙂


          • Fedup2 says:

            The pressure on the ReichEU is only going to increase -min my opinion . I am assuming social cohesion is going to get even worse as the recession comes leading to more ‘populism ‘ . Brussells won’t be able to bribe their way into compliance .

            The Reich will also be dealing with another 4 years of President Trump ( unless there are goods reasons to see him lose the November election )

            If the EU races towards ever closer this that and the other in the period after we leave – and stop subsidising them – it will make any attempt to rejoin at the cost of all our sovereignty . Currency , tax , finances , military and relationship with our real friends ( again ). There will need to be compelling reasons for that as opposed to some soppy guardian mindset about ‘globalism ‘.

            I agree on the point that the poisonous BBC will campaign for rejoining “ is only were we in the EU will be the refrain “.


    • JimS says:

      Mariella Frostrup, not the woman born in Oslo, Norway, a non-EU country, by any chance?


    • StewGreen says:

      Frostrup first went Godwin by comparing Brexit to the holocaust
      and then deleted her tweet.
      .. Then weirdly she retweeted a screenshot of her original tweet


      • StewGreen says:

        Note her new tweet has a spelling mistake as well

        Her deleted tweet had 1,300 replies


      • Guest Who says:

        For which #CCBGB was coined.

        She should maybe quit while already well behind.

        Joining the ranks of Grant, Lammy, Femi, Adonis, Heseltine and others is not a great look.


  7. Guest Who says:


    • Fedup2 says:

      Thanks for the tweet – if you want to read the tweets of upset lovers of the BBC take a look at the Sanchia Berg tweets ….

      .. I’ve often wondered why the BBC seems like a secretive monolith that never leaks but it seems as though The Mail has a snitch .

      It also reports that they want Tourette’s Robinson to do the toady show from Manchester because he is a professional Northern – seems he is too fond on bohemian London and doesn’t want to go .


  8. Guest Who says:

    Piece of cuck Nish posts…



    • Dover Sentry says:

      Sounds a bit racist to me. Imagine had it been for only white people of colour?


  9. digg says:

    Stewart Lee writing in the Guardian does an acrid and bile-fuelled assassination attempt on Laurence Fox.


    Having watched again the footage in question that spotlighted Fox I am at a total loss to see how this can possibly be justified.

    Fox was subjected to a very clear BBC ambush and unlike so many “keep your head down and pretend to be woke” types floating around the entertainment sector he just plain said what he thinks without animosity.

    He sounded reasoned, sensible and just plain exasperated with the artificial attacks inflicted on so many innocent people, usually male and white who are seen as legitimate targets for this and have no right to defend themselves. In fact have no rights full stop.

    I hope Mr Lee is rewarded by the adulation of the ranks of the woke crowd he is so desperate to show he is on the right side of. I think sensible folk will see right through this posturing.


    • Not Gwent says:

      This says so much about The Guardian.

      From the “If you can’t think of anything to say throw dirt” school of journalism.

      Politics of the sewer. And this is State Broadcaster’s house journal?


    • Banania says:

      I read the Stewart Lee article and understood hardly any of it.


  10. digg says:

    The independent rushing to defend the BBC license fee..


    I can’t think why this should be for the life of me!

    It’s premium but the bit they do show free tells you all you need to know about which way it’s going…


  11. digg says:

    Climate and XR nutters a bit unusually quiet right now. All on their way back from Davos? ….or perhaps waiting for the cold, wet normal late January weather to finish!

    Foot of snow predicted in Scotland, don’t think they will be best pleased.


    • Guest Who says:

      Some are as noisy as ever.


      • Scroblene says:

        I find it reprehensible, even disgraceful, that any parents let their child, who is clearly mentally and socially challenged, be part of a weird sect of disturbed and socially lightweight idiots, and be plonked in front of a screen and emit gibberish such as espoused by the fear-mongers of so many despotic regimes and their ilk.

        The kid is clearly not of sound mind, and has severe psychological issues which do not bode well in the future for similar children, who are put into positions they are unable to control, owing to their inability to communicate anything with normal people.

        The dreadful consequences of exposure to these fanatics who are in control of this sad little kid are never even approached by the harridans of fake ‘truth’, like the Guardian, The Observer, the BBBC and the usual journals of left-wing monsters which infest our ‘universities’ and ‘academies’.

        Luckily, the majority of any populace ignores such behaviour, and the ‘norm’ of sensible debate, so often pooh-pooed by a left-wing and wildly inaccurate BBC, is left to normal citizens to decide what utter rot all these maniacal diatribes amount to.

        They can fill any studio with screaming apostles of the ‘godperson harrabin’, but that won’t change the minds of the people who actually work for a living, and disregard such pathetic posturing.


        • RobRoy says:

          As many have said, ‘it’s no coincidence that the solution to so-called climate change appears to resemble communism.’


      • john in cheshire says:

        Here’s a guaranteed money making scam that would suit little miss muffet down to the ground.

        Charge people £5 to stand in front of her and tell her to eff off.

        There would be queues around the block wherever she went. It might help with her mental conditions too, perhaps.


  12. Guest Who says:



    • Fedup2 says:

      No sign of bias at BBC says BBC


    • john in cheshire says:

      Raymond Snoddy. That’s a name from a long time ago. I actually thought he was dead.

      He’s not gained any common sense with advancing years though, has he. Still, haters gotta hate.


  13. digg says:

    For all the old-timers on here. I just had a quote to fit a new shower in my bathroom and it’s almost exactly the same amount that I paid cash for my first semi-detached house in 1976….

    I sold that house 4 years later and used the proceeds to buy a plot of land and build a detached house with double garage!

    Those were the days.


    • Scroblene says:

      Well done that man!

      A Daught sold her London flat a couple of years ago, and realised that over the many years she had lived there, it hadn’t cost her a bean, as she had all the profit to buy a new place elsewhere!

      Looking at showers (not bbbc autiocue readers), they are getting even better, and when the asses in W1A have to go subscription, they may well consider lots of ads for these items!


  14. Halifax says:

    Good evening everyone. Anybody seen anything about the Italian election? It seems to have disappeared off the BBC faster than a female BME Grenfell enquiry team member “resignation”…..


  15. vlad says:

    “Society is ‘badly tilted in favour of women, disadvantaging men’.”

    WHAT? You mean the Beeb have been LYING to us for years?



    • john in cheshire says:

      Well, as I’ve said before, we are having a matriarchy imposed on us.

      If men don’t start fighting back, it’s going to get a lot worse.


  16. pugnazious says:

    From Charlie Brooks in The Telegraph….confirming everything you knew already…..

    The BBC hate everything about racing. I should know – they sacked me too

    ‘The BBC has ‘fallen out of love’ with racing; and the urban, left-leaning elite who call the shots at Broadcasting House have decided it is time to rid themselves of their guilty past.

    But why do this illiberal bunch of public service broadcasting execs appear to dislike horseracing so much? The answer is threefold.

    Firstl, they have jumped onto the puritan bandwagon of being anti-gambling; although the irony is, they could have championed the promotion of racing as a great sport that did not need to be joined at the hip with gambling to continue to be a spectacular broadcasting medium. After all, unlike commercial channels, they don’t need revenues from bookmakers’ advertisements. But because they were overly hung up on the other two issues, they threw the baby out with the bath water.

    This is, however, shocking hypocrisy. While they were pulling the plug on racing, they were gleefully broadcasting the results of the National Lottery. A gamble peddled to potentially-addicted members of the public, who can walk into a convenience store to buy vegetables for their kids, but come out with lottery tickets offering an elusive dream.

    The second issue irking the suits was horse welfare. Something I witnessed at first hand. As a member of the Radio Five Live team at the Grand National meeting for many years, I knew what would be coming down the line from the producers in London as soon as any horse at the meeting, irrespective of whether it had run over the Grand National fences or not, had been injured. It was a bloodlust for fatalities.

    Thirdly, and possibly most critically, there was affluence hatred within the BBC, and I was on the receiving end of it.

    For years I presented the racing bulletin on the BBC Five Live Drive programme, generally looking forward to the next day’s big race. And boy, did the presenters love taking the mickey out of me, with my plummy Old Etonian voice. But god help me if a horse I was talking about had the temerity to be owned by someone rich; or even worse, a Duke. (When it came to Arab Sheikhs, however, they were more circumspect. After all, it wouldn’t sound good on the BBC to be racist, would it?) ‘


  17. pugnazious says:

    According to The Telegraph we don’t need to worry about Labour’s Purnell hijacking the BBC because it has its sights set firmly on a female DG…and what a unattractive bynch they are….things would not get any better under their control…


    ‘Desperate to appear to be championing equality, and above all to banish any semblance of an old boys’ club, the BBC seems to be recruiting from the old girls’ network instead. Those being tipped for the top job are already establishment figures, run major corporations, are impeccably well turned out and appear deeply comfortable in their own, well-entrenched power – as they should be.

    Top contenders include the Left wing Alex Mahon, chief executive of Channel 4 and the first woman to run a big British broadcaster; Charlotte Moore, the BBC’s director of content; Gail Rebuck, the chairman of Penguin Random House UK and long-tipped for a big job at Auntie; and Sharon White, former head of Ofcom.

    All of these women have impressive credentials: White, currently the chairman of John Lewis, was also the first black person, and the second woman, to become a permanent secretary at the Treasury.

    As head of Ofcom, she said in 2017 that the BBC was “too middle-aged and middle-class”, and did not rule out quotas for making British broadcasters “reflect the diversity” of Britain – a hideous imperative for an organisation trying to make good entertainment, but just the kind of thing the woke-courting BBC appears to lap up.’


    • Dover Sentry says:

      It won’t end well. A black racist the head of BBC. Black quotas over white people.

      Let’s reverse that and see how it looks.


  18. Guest Who says:

    Posted without comment.

    Ok, maybe a titter.


    Wendle ye not.


  19. Tabs says:

    I haven’t watched BBC1’s Countryfile for months. A previous anti-Brexit episode last year where they said Muslim’s might save the British lamb industry was the final straw for me.

    Thought I would watch the last 15 minutes of tonights episode to catch the 5 day weather forecast. I was treated to a black man and Indian woman presenters drinking, what looked like water, in a pub. Then a bit about how great Indian food is followed by the end meetup of everyone where the Indian lady said “all we need now is some Bhangra dancing”.

    You don’t get any more British countryside than that!


  20. Guest Who says:


    Another interest-conflicted pompous analysis of how the failing BBC gets paid, versus whether its output warrants it, in any form.


  21. Guest Who says:

    Lewis Goodhall liked this

    Lisa Nandy is, he hopes, going to be PM.


    • StewGreen says:

      The Marie-Antoinette FakeGreens say about the poor Africans
      “Let them have solar and wind gimmicks * ”
      .. not the reliable on demand power that we have in the West

      * EXPENSIVE solar/wind gimmicks,
      that supply intermittent power & strain the grid


    • Fedup2 says:

      Look – they have to get the fossil fuel to run all those private jets to Davos from some where . And I felt sorry for that nice Prince Charles ( 74) doing 16000 miles in 3 days and not shaking the US Vice Presidents ‘ hand on purpose while he was there ( but got a grip of President Putin though – he had to do that or it was the complementary sarin donation )


  22. LastChanceSaloon says:

    Rugby League, a minority sport.
    Also three months since the end of the major UK league.
    But AlBeeb have Rugby League headlines.

    “Sonny Bill Williams: Toronto Wolfpack cross-code star allowed to cover gambling logos”
    That Bill Williams, the one nobody has heard of.
    The Super League is sponsored by BetFred and some players do not like it.
    However they like it sufficiently to sign on knowing the regulations.
    Then, less than a week before the start of the new season, the issue is raised!
    Yes, Bill Wiliams converted to the religion of rape years ago!


  23. Guest Who says:



    • Fedup2 says:

      I was trying to figure out if any of the letter writers supporting the BBC had anything in common apart from being paid in some way be the BBC ……


  24. StewGreen says:

    Countryfile producers scared stiff that they might not meet their BAME quotas
    lead with 2 BAME presenters Anita Rani & Sean London Fletcher
    and end the prog with an item about “The taste of the Punjab”
    .. a tenuous link to countryside is that someone in that village cooks Indian food.


    • StewGreen says:

      #1 Community owned pub where villagers raised £1/4m to buy it
      #2 Stanage edge walkers
      2.1 Men’s mental health group
      2.2 The Right To Roam activists
      (all was perfunctory)
      #3 Local-Source food delivery business
      3.1 Sean uses a hand flour grinder like they use in India
      at the water mill
      3.2 The oilseedrape pressers
      #4 The caving couple

      18:16pm #5 “Will it pay for farmers to think Green in the future ?”
      .. with GreenReligion Tele-evangelist Tom Heap
      “IN ENGLAND the future is Green with ELMS
      Enviro Land Management Scheme (subsidies)”
      #5.1 Dartmoor NP peatland restoration slowing water runoff to preserve more peat
      Heap questions if the ELMS is ready

      5.2 He asks the leading questions (with obligatory sneer at Trump) for smiley Tory minister Theresa Villiers
      “We will NOT be importing chlorinated chicken, we will NOT be importing hormone treated beef, cos we will be maintaining our food standards. We are importing the EU law into our domestic system”

      #6 Helen Skelton with OAP climbers (OK that is proper country)
      back to mention of the 2000 Countryside Act

      #7 Adam’s Farm
      – throwing 2.5 tonne of grain onto his farm hedges
      (he thinks he is feeding birds, but he’ll be feeding rats)
      – Gives his pregnant sheep a Brazilian
      -injects his animals to prevent disease spread

      #8 community artist

      #9 Curry On Cooking with the Spice Sisters
      doing an Indian Harvest Festival
      ..everyone making chapatis
      (Bhangra music was promised, but we got none)
      Camera focuses specially on sole black visitor in the crowd ..end


      • Charlie Farley says:

        I have friends and family in Farming…….they gave up watching this so called Countryfile a long time ago . It’s a mixture of Breakfast TV ,The one show and Blue Peter……Managed not to watch Dr Who as well . BBC at it’s best !


        • Charlie Farley says:

          Mrs. Farley just reminded me that the BBC still use ” The Generation Game ” theme in their programmes……..
          Meanwhile on Countryfile Ellie is going to try her hand at artificial insemination………more bull—- anyone ?;


  25. Guest Who says:

    Maybe, if Nish was brought in?


  26. taffman says:

    \\Unite general secretary Len McCluskey said such actions were “despicable” but added that the party “never handled the anti-Semitism issue correctly”.//
    So, what was The Chakrabarti Inquiry all about?


    • StewGreen says:

      “Anti-Semitism claims used to undermine Corbyn – McCluskey”

      Ah so when anti-semitism happened in the labour party
      .. the REAL VICTIM was Corbyn
      FFS !


  27. StewGreen says:

    BBC 2 pm Ski prog
    That will be mostly white people ?
    No BBC start with a feature about London black guy an ex-knife youth who’s taken up snowboarding


  28. Fedup2 says:

    Time for the new thread – as the world goes into mourning for a dead retired American sports man who I have never heard of .

    Meanwhile Monday is Holocaust Memorial Day . Which I fear the BBC will make even more painful – if that’s possible .

    When I opened this thread I set a challenge to evidence the BBCs bias toward the Right . No one has posted one piece of evidence – not even a troll .