Midweek Thread 8th January 2020

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  1. angus longstaffe says:

    ( laughs hysterically ) First again ! early bird and all that. Slackers.

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  2. Fedup2 says:

    BBC having a tricky time with law and order . It has found out that the number of homicides in England and Wales has dropped by 120 year on year .

    Yet police numbers have been falling for years . Perhaps there’s little need for more coppers – apart from in the big cities of course where third world imports are regularly killing each other . 149 total for Londonistan so plenty of “thoughts and prayers “ insincerity there .

    No mention about the number of killings for which someone had been charged – nor the ‘ diversity ‘ of victims / killers against that of the general population . Makes me think that those numbers might not accord with ‘multicolour makes everything nice ‘ routine .

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  3. Halifax says:

    Looks like the Iranians may have shot down a Ukranian 737 just after take off…..No news on the BBC just “technical difficultys” …..

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Halifax
      The BBC doesn’t seem concerned about this aircraft incident . Who was on it ? Americans ? Politicians . ? Or just ordinary punters who the BBC wouldn’t be concerned about .

      The falling level of journalism on the BBC is a side effect of the far left bias it is infected with . This is a clear example .

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  4. Fedup2 says:

    AFP on Twitter is reporting an earthquake close to an Iranian nuclear site now -at 0650 London time . Might be one of those days ….

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  5. andyjsnape says:

    bBC had been “reporting” for days on something that didn’t and was unlikely to happen..

    CES 2020: Ivanka Trump unfazed by critics at tech show – due to the fact the show went smoothly.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-51028984

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  6. Foscari says:

    What news media do you suggest I watch or listen to to get
    an unbiased view of news coming out of Iran? Obviously not
    the BBC who have found a new “cause celebre” after their
    remoaner debacle.

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    • G says:

      Fos,
      Not immediate, but for good analysis after the event, The Duran I always find gives the subject a good shake-down.

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  7. Fedup2 says:

    Foscari- but that’s the problem . There is no MSM source which is trustworthy – in my view . Reuter’s – online – is pretty factual . I like UK press gazette but others seem not to. The market is desperate for a non snowflake – right leaning source .

    I will never pay for news so the Telegraph is off limits as is the Times . Mailonline is a comic and The Express has a way to go but is improving .

    The other problem is it takes time to avoid the snowflake nonsense but it can be quite entertaining consuming some of the rubbish – for instance the story about a lecturer telling students not to use capital letters as they cause anxiety – or a brave celeb who Stella McCartney callec ‘brave’ for wearing the same tuxedo two days running .

    Like you foscari – I’d like an answer to your question .

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    • Doublethinker says:

      I take both the Telegraph and the Times. The Times is firmly against Brexit and will stay that way, the Telegraph is Pro Brexit. Indeed the Times and most of its columnists are rabid Remainers with foam flecked lips . Unfortunately they haven’t yet taken the opportunity to die in a ditch for the EU. Hopefully 31 Jan may spur them into taking the decent way out. The Times is what would have been called centre left twenty years ago and would certainly be pro Blair’s New Labour now. The Telegraph is moving that way but is some way behind the Times in the lurch to the left. If the DT is sold , as it is rumoured it might be, then the leftwRd slide could accelerate. Of course there is a possibility that someone sees the gap in the market for truthful anti Woke reporting and buys it but I am not optimistic.

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    • Deborah says:

      I am afraid my on line news has to come from places like here and Guido. I refuse to pay and Daily Mail on line has deteriorated hugely. Until the election, apart from Richard Littlejohn very pro Remain and anti Trump. Richard L has however just written a column calling out those who were aghast at the murder if the illustrious one. Free Telegraph from Waitrose on the days I spend enough to get it, has improved (see Alison Pearson).

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      • Banania says:

        I would echo a previous contributor and recomment The Duran. Alexander Mercouris and his colleagues offer long and thoughtful discussions about what is going on, and enable one to assess the reports that one reads elsewhere.

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  8. Dover Sentry says:

    Try Fox News:

    https://www.foxnews.com/

    “”Ted Cruz: Iran missiles fired at Iraqi airbases were ‘in a very real sense’ paid for by billions that Obama sent Tehran””

    “If history teaches anything, it’s don’t give billions of dollars to people who hate you and want to kill you.”

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  9. Foscari says:

    I “know” this has nothing to do with BBC bias ,but as a stats
    man in football gambling, it is quite a remarkable coincidence
    that at the time Iran are sending missiles to attack a US base
    in Iraq , a commercial airline crashes killing over 170 just
    outside of Tehran .Hush hush, say no more, say no more.
    I wonder who was on board? Reminds me a bit of ARGO. Except on
    the flight from Tehran ,the “fugitives” escaped unharmed . And
    the flight reached Zurich.

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    • JamesArthur says:

      Fos
      I thought exactly the same…and even more coincidental is the fact that on Monday there was this big discussion on BBC about the Iranians still being angry about the accidental shooting down of a passenger plane 35 years ago…by the USA
      conspiracy theory ..Iranians shot down plane to remind of the history and further increase anger at USA…just a theory..

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  10. andyjsnape says:

    Bafta 2020: Do awards exclude women and black actors? Asks the bBC website
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51021234

    No women were nominated in the best director category – maybe women are just crap at being directors

    Anyone bothered, other than the bBC that is

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    • Guest Who says:

      June Sarpong and Sharon White are so on it. Ironically.

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    • Doublethinker says:

      Does anyone care!

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    • digg says:

      Yes Andy, I also notice a distinct lack of scaffolders, nurses, deliveroo drivers, airplane pilots, etc. etc in the list of nominees along with many others. This sort of discrimination is not acceptable from BAFTA in this day and age!

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    • Banania says:

      Jolly bad luck, considering that TV programmes of all kinds are stuffed to the gills with POC, regardless of appropriateness.

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  11. Thoughtful says:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7861567/Atmosphere-draining-dump-Peterborough-rated-WORST-place-live-Britain-AGAIN.html

    The Mail today publishes the results of s study into the worst places in Britain to live,.

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    NO surprise to find they are the multi cultural hell holes which the political elites tell us are so wonderful, but which they absolutely refuse to live in themselves.

    The top comments all follow the same tack, that it is immigration which has made these towns so bad.
    No surprise that the woke BBC hasn’t published anything about this on their site.

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    • Beltane says:

      Cartography: Another string to Diane Abbott’s bow? Ten numbers, nine places. Hey ho.

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    • G says:

      Thoughtful,
      If you import the Third World, you become the Third World. Simples – (but only to the select few, it seems)

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    • Halifax says:

      Straight in here !!
      It may come as no suprise that Im from Halifax and I have lived here for seven years. Now there are “areas” of Halifax inhabited by “communitys” that are dirty run down and full of people on benefits that are trully awful. Thankfully Halifax Council does not pour money into these areas and just lets “them” get on with it. There is however a thriving culture of nice pubs resturaunts etc and its a geat night out (and cheap) So dont let anyone tell you anything else.If any of my fellow contributors are ever in the area then im more than happy to buy them a drink*

      *One drink per contributor to a vaule of £4.30 snacks are excluded.

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      • Nibor says:

        Where`s a nice safe place to park a truck when one has to pickup from the Morrisons in Bradford ?

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      • Northern Voter says:

        Find the nearest Sam Smith’s pub, plenty around in Yorkshire, you’ll get 3 pints of dark mild and 13 pence change. No TV, no mobiles, no iPads. Good old fashioned pubs.

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      • Northern Voter says:

        Find the nearest Sam Smith’s pub, plenty around in Yorkshire, you’ll get 3 pints of dark mild and 13 pence change. No TV, no mobiles, no iPads. Good old fashioned pubs.

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      • Northern Voter says:

        Find the nearest Sam Smith’s pub, plenty around in Yorkshire, you’ll get 3 pints of dark mild and 13 pence change. No TV, no mobiles, no iPads. Good old fashioned pubs.

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      • Northern Voter says:

        Find the nearest Sam Smith’s pub, plenty around in Yorkshire, you’ll get 3 pints of dark mild and 13 pence change. No TV, no mobiles, no iPads. Good old fashioned pubs.

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      • Northern Voter says:

        Find the nearest Sam Smith’s pub, plenty around in Yorkshire, you’ll get 3 pints of dark mild and 13 pence change. No TV, no mobiles, no iPads. Good old fashioned pubs.

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        • G says:

          Northern Voter,
          You’ve given us a taste of multiple submissions.
          I hope you don’t vote that way in local/national elections –
          We know your sort! LoL!

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    • Doublethinker says:

      I can certainly vouch for the towns in Yorkshire all being Islamic hell holes. Towns which in my younger days were solid northern communities , albeit beginning to suffer from the loss of industries such as textiles , have been reduced to shit holes by hordes of Muslims who seem happy to fill the streets with rubbish , have men lounging around who make you feel you ought not to be in their town. Of course you can’t help thinking how many of them are rapists. I avoid visiting these places as far as possible. Even driving through them is a depressing ordeal when you remember what they were like fifty or sixty years ago.
      The dumb multiculty elite ought to try living in these places for three months and then see how they feel about open immigration.

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      • Halifax says:

        DT…..I take it that your not comming for a drink then…..

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        • Doublethinker says:

          I prefer a more traditional setting thank you. The vibrancy of the ‘ renewed’ towns , their colour, their exotic smells etc put me off. I’m sure that there remain some traditional English areas , at least for the time being. Thanks all the same.

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      • BRISSLES says:

        …..when you remember what they were like fifty or sixty years ago….

        Can you imagine anyone visiting Rotherham for their summer holidays ?? Well 60 years ago I did. Living on the south coast at the seaside I would spend 6 weeks school holidays with grandparents in their 2 up 2 down pit house, and what a time I had ! fresh baked scufflers (bread rolls) from the range coal oven, proper markets to visit, and playing out safely with all the kids in the ‘backs’. The only black faces seen were the men coming home for their shift at the mine. The place is totally unrecognisable now, and immigration is to blame, no matter what anyone says.

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    • smoogie7 says:

      These are all places until last year normally voted Labour?

      No wonder a lot of people switched!

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    • joeadamsmith says:

      Not exactly a response to your comment, but related because of ROTHERHAM. This article is dated August 2019. “ROTHERHAM Council Tell Grooming Gang Victims To Add Rapist’s Names To Birth Certificates So They ‘Have Parental Rights’” http://vote-watch.co.uk/rotherham-council-tell-grooming-gang-victims-to-add-rapists-names-to-birth-certificates-so-they-have-parental-rights/

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      • Doublethinker says:

        But there were often too many to identify a single father. Oh I suppose all the rapists can undergo DNA tests to decide which one is the father. Of course if none of those convicted is identified as the father the case must be reopened and all likely candidates screened. That will be several thousand tests.

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    • Banania says:

      Wasn’t there quite a lot of child-raping in those places?

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      • SkeptikEye says:

        There is an ongoing inquiry in Haifax regarding child abuse of three girls in 2006-2009 involving 16 men aged between 30 and 48 year old one of whom is a Police Officer. I’ll probably get an early morning knock on my door now!

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      • SkeptikEye says:

        There is an ongoing inquiry in Halifax regarding child abuse of three girls in 2006-2009 involving 16 men aged between 30 and 46 years old one of whom is a Police Officer.

        I’ll probably get an early morning knock on my door now!

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  12. Foscari says:

    Fedup2- NO!!!!! I agree with you. The only thing is I like is to
    attempt is to suss out the super fiendish Sodoku in the Times !!
    My wife reads the Daily Mail and the only thing I like about
    them ,is that they often print my letters. Except when I am
    trashing them.The last one published was about the Munchkin
    women Louise from the BBC breakfast programme, a few days ago.

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  13. Woolwich says:

    Ok, last night’s Silent Witness on BBC1. I know it’s been mentioned already on the Start The Week thread. But I sat through the whole darned thing so I’m jolly well going to give you chapter and verse. I didn’t sit with paper and pen making notes so I’ll apologise in advance if I get anything wrong, however, that so much is stuck in my head 12 hours later tells you something.
    Opening scene, a private jet travelling from Amsterdam to London ((hello? Carbon footprint anyone) on board are pilots, a female head of a charity, her young son and an American ambassador/senator. The opening exchange of this 10 part series (we hadn’t even seen anyone’s face at this point) was literally a discussion about how they can help a group of immigrants! I groaned.
    The young son was asked if he wanted to go into the cockpit (is that legal?) the mixed race child was told by his white mother that of course he could.
    The plane crashed. Our Silent Witness heros and heroines went to examine the wreckage. This included their disabled wheelchair bound tech genius Clarissa. Obviously field work (quite literally in this case, the jet had come down in a field) is the perfect environment for someone with her challenges. Lead police officer on the scene was a Bolshie black woman. Lead Air Accident Investigator was a white woman. It was only later that I realised that there wasn’t a single male guest actor playing a role as an authority figure.
    It turns out that the ambassador/senator had been receiving death threats from a right wing group. Yes I know, I’m not even going to bother.
    The ambassador/senator was a lovely man who’d come to prominence in the Obama era. Oh come on, You couldn’t make this up.
    The team were sent to a suicide where a depressed man had taken a gun to himself. His computer showed he’d tracked the plane and visited a right wing site! He was also part of an online chat group for people with suicidal thoughts.
    The pilot had apparently been self medicating for anxiety and was part of the same group. Cue the bolshie detective visiting the pilot’s psychiatrist for a scene that was more confrontation and finger pointing and less interview. The psychiatrist revealed that his patient had mental problems stemming from his job and the uncertainty of employment. He lived out of a suitcase, in hotels, his job was under threat. He felt like he no longer belonged and didn’t know his role or place in life. (I almost laughed out loud at this point thinking, hmmm the way young white working class men are made to feel by the BBC and media in general?). Anyway getting back to the story, it transpires that people like him are easy prey for right wing extremists to befriend and influence. (“Crikey”, I thought. Those feelings of not belonging, having no role, inadequacy, and maybe not being listened too could lead to even worse sins. Like voting for Brexit, turning your back on the Labour Party and voting a Conservative government in). The psychiatrist character was portrayed as a bit off, a bit suspect, a bit cold. Strange then that this rather cold fish was the only person in the programme that I identified with and spoke common sense. Strange or disappointing?
    Other men with links to the story have appeared, all logging into the chat room. Maybe it’s my bias but I couldn’t help but feel that they were all portrayed fairly unsympathetically given that they’re so unwell that they’re on the brink of taking their own lives. The only one that came close was an actor with the limb deformities seen from thalidomide who reading between the lines, lived in a big old house and was depressed because his dad had died and he was now alone. A great wordless performance and an absolutely 100% appropriate and EFFECTIVE piece of casting. My one “bravo” out of the whole
    As the end credits rolled (there were probably more woke moments but by now I was punch drunk) there was the soothing voice over and telephone numbers given for anyone who had been affected by tonight’s storyline. This actually annoyed me, they should have liaised with The Samaritans and posted their number on screen, not the telephone number to the recorded BBC announcement the soothing voice was talking about.

    The only bright spot in the show is that the annoying lead character, Nikki, looks like she’s about to get dumped by her handsome American boyfriend. That’ll cheer me up no end as it’s long overdue for her to leave.

    If I’ve got an appetite for it I’ll give you episode 2 tomorrow but I might have joined that chat room myself by then and slit my own wrists.

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    • StewGreen says:

      The real world suicide pilot was in 2015 Germanwings Flight 9525
      The investigation determined that the crash was caused deliberately by the co-pilot, Andreas Lubitz, who had previously been treated for suicidal tendencies and declared “unfit to work” by his doctor. Lubitz kept this information from his employer and instead reported for duty. Shortly after reaching cruise altitude and while the captain was out of the cockpit, he locked the cockpit door and initiated a controlled descent that continued until the aircraft impacted a mountainside.
      In response to the incident and the circumstances of the co-pilot’s involvement, aviation authorities in some countries implemented new regulations that require the presence of two authorized personnel in the cockpit at all times

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525

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    • Doublethinker says:

      Please spare yourself from watching anymore of this tripe. Sitting and reporting on one episode is heroic , going through another episode is pushing your luck you will never survive it.Seriously this Woke crap is unwatchable . I would rather visit the dentist than be forced to sit through such an episode.

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      • cromwell says:

        I would never watch silent witness, you know you are in for a blood pressure rise hit and my life is too precious to allow this. What I have started watching is Foyles War, ITV 3 have started a rerun of the whole series from last Monday. I know it’s been on loads of times but the superb writing, acting and non PC agenda is a joy to behold. If anyone has never seen it you are missing a gem. It shows the quality of the series that you can rewatch it and still enjoy it. Just as life was in the 40s. Michael Kitchen as Foyle is for me the best actor on TV, his portrayal of Foyle is a treat.

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        • BRISSLES says:

          Hear, hear Cromwell, agree about Michael Kitchen, a great actor who never seems to garner awards or credit.

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        • Doublethinker says:

          I also find that the only TV worth watching is stuff made before about 2005 , the earlier the better. Not only is free from PC sauce but it also has better dialogue and story lines.

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    • davylars says:

      Thanks Woolwich.
      As I said in my earlier post, I switched it off after 10 minutes.
      I found it unbearable to watch.
      You deserve some kind of award for sticking with it, and at least I know the story line, and will definitely not be watching part 2.
      This program has been getting worse to watch over the years. It is a pity as when it started all those years ago there were some good storylines and sometimes almost credible.
      Anyway, if you punish yourself for part 2 let us know how awful it got….

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    • Banania says:

      A wonderful summary, don’t stop!

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  14. Guest Who says:

    BBC News

    Five years ago militant Islamists shot dead 11 people in the magazine’s Paris office, before murdering a policeman outside.

    ***

    Militants? The bbc and their odd tendencies.

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  15. Guest Who says:

    This is worth running by Jez by anyone not yet blocked by another transparent bbc market rate propagandist.

       78 likes

    • G says:

      GW,
      Ah well, its back to Uganda – again – for her I guess……………..

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    • john in cheshire says:

      If only she and her kind would voluntarily sod off.
      That one act of civic responsibility would do wonders for our country.

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      • Doublethinker says:

        I’m hoping that Farage day, 31 Jan, tips them over edge and they leave the country in dismay , or self combust in their rage. I am getting sick to death of these idiotic Wokists telling the rest of us that we should be more like them. My view is that Brexit is only a subset of anti Wokism . People are fed up with the clueless elite wrecking our country, trashing our values and culture , forcing immigrants on us in ever greater numbers. The people are screaming enough but the liberal elite don’t hear or perhaps they are so certain of their own spurious virtue that they don’t care.

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    • NCBBC says:

      Isn’t she who mocked the US ambassador just after 9/11. Why do we allow endemic historic enemies of the West to settle here.
      She will leave just as as soon as her Muslim community leaves.

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    • The General says:

      If she set up a ‘Crowd Funding’ site to pay for her ticket she could go first class !

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      • The General says:

        Just before the Election she was on one of those ‘political’ shows. She pleaded that: “the nastiness and name calling being displayed by Politicians just had to stop. Boris Johnson , he is the Devil!”
        Mouth opens, brain disengages. Go and have a nice chat with Diane, Yasmine.

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  16. Woolwich says:

    For the first time in a long time I’ve looked at the bbc new site. Good manners prevents me from using the sort of language Zoe Kleinmann deserves for her snide bubble dwelling non story halfway down, juxtaposing Ivanka Trump’s comments about the high cost of childcare with her expensive diamond rings sparkling under the lights. Don’t have any rings yourself Zoe? A man nodded off. Well show me a conference room where someone HASN’T nodded off. People left before the end. Ditto. All a reinforcement of why I don’t trust the BBC as a news source.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-51028984

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Woolwich
      It’s barely readable – sometimes I try to guess who their website is aimed at – I’m guessing under 25 – female – snowflake student kidult type who probably has a picture of Sharon /Greta or someone called stormy .. on her bedroom wall ….. but I could be wrong …

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    • NCBBC says:

      Are there any White men or boys in the BBC. Or for that matter on adverts on TV.

      Watching TV one would surmise that all Western civilisation/engineering was the invention of Black men and wimen.

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    • Halifax says:

      Someone in an interview once asked Hilary Clinton if she admired anything about Trump…..she said “His Chldren”…….we may see his daughter US president one day….The first female US president is a Trump !! BBC would explode……

         27 likes

  17. Guest Who says:

    A person of diversity speaks truth via power.

       18 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      9 likes and 3 comments for Newsnight’s tweet
      from the 60 million population.

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    • G says:

      GW,
      Yes, very much out of touch. Alongwith this reporter – the Black&Asian Broadcasting Corporation. The viewer needs more honest documentaries on such subjects as, how the British Plod is totally inadequate in having to deal with International criminal gangs such as the Kosovo Mafia, now in the UK and this, “Black Axe” – https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15398/europe-nigerian-mafia
      Where is their leading ‘honest’ reporter, Sweeney, when you need him?

         29 likes

    • john in cheshire says:

      Why don’t these ethnic whiners create their own awards event, then they can celebrate diversity to their heart’s content?
      Or better still go to an ethnic majority country and start up a film and TV company to make the kind of films they want to watch?

      For myself, I want to be entertained by stuff written by white men, with stories about white men, featuring white men and produced by white men. And, at least for now, I’m living in a predominantly white and at least superficially Christian country, so I reckon what I want is more profitable than what the whiners want.

         37 likes

    • Woolwich says:

      It’s up to 30 likes and 9 comments, so pretty much three times the size of the Newsnight audience now.
      It’s only a shame (actually it’s not at all) that all 9 comments are solidly of the Comments Coukd Be Going Better variety.
      Zero support whatsoever.

      P.S. at the time of writing the Twitter link says that 30 people are talking about this. So does a like = bothering your backside to actually talk about it because in my book there’s on,y 9 people talking about I and they’re not being complimentary.

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    • JamesArthur says:

      It is strange how the BBC love to shout about not enough representation when it suits woke town but not around the other way…
      more female medics , lawyers, teachers , nurses than males…a disproportionate number of Asian male NHS consultants, a higher proportion of black footballers and athletes than BAME in UK population..and a much higher proportion of muslim rapists than % muslims in population
      so it only works one way does it…

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  18. Guest Who says:

    Greta/MSM relationship hits reality.

    Even the BBC may struggle with this one post Mishal, Jon, Clive…

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    • StewGreen says:

      Fossil Fuels are good so mostly don’t need to advertise
      .. The newspapers do have ads from Fossil Fuel companies that say
      .. “Look at us we are green we have solar farms as well”

      .. So what are the logistics of banning such adverts ?

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      • john in cheshire says:

        I think not to be too concerned because like all attention seekers, little miss muffet will sooner or later go too far.

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    • StewGreen says:

      Ha the papers are not full of adverts telling you to use gas & petrol
      but they are full of corps like British Airways and travel companies who sell flights/holidays
      I can’t see Greta stopping that.

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      • Guest Who says:

        I suspect there will be a ‘compromise’ soon, whereby these activities are allowed so long as Danegeld is paid to those in the green industry to play with.

        For some reason radio 4 is re-running Daddy-T’s cosy chat with Airflown Mishal.

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    • Dystopian says:

      Don’t worry Greta dear, I’m sure the guardian will be along soon. Just as long as you can make a donation.

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  19. Guest Who says:

    The media reaction to a surgical strike of accuracy taking out a terrorist vs. that to a spunk waffle spray of missiles that might have hit civilians anywhere is… very MSM.

    I wonder if Mishal will be updating her tally board yet?

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  20. Guest Who says:

    When the bbc next wheel the crinkly harpie out to ‘analyse’ retail effects of Brexit…

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  21. StewGreen says:

    The plane crash is a bit strange
    we know 180 are dead and 63 were Canadians
    So neither Iranians or Americans would have wanted that.
    Some footage shows the plane on fire in the sky ..though that could be fake.
    So in talk of revenge attacks the biggest deaths occur in an accident/cock-up.

    Iran has such poor safety standards 60 people/day die on its roads every day.

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    • Guest Who says:

      ‘Strange’ does not come close, especially combined with the number of North American’s aboard a flight on a route hardly normal.

      Seems awful to be hoping this was ‘tech issues’, but then the make of plane comes into frame.

      Once the BBC gets ‘analysing’ the only greater tragedy than the loss of all innocent lives will be Trudeau trying to go full Arden in his new beard.

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    • john in cheshire says:

      Were they Canadians or were they “canadians”, I wonder?

         22 likes

  22. Celtic_Mist says:

    BBC pundits condemning ‘illegal assassination’ – Iran will conduct an ‘asymmetrical’ war – I take it that is code for ‘legal’ terrorism?

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    • Woolwich says:

      The BBC’s and the mainstream media’s rabid dislike of President Trump is so wild and so out of control that they’ll say and print the most stupid, misguided, unresearched and dangerous of things out of a sense of skyrocketing spite. One would like to think that at some point in the future more than one of them will look back at what they did and said, examine their consciences and find themselves wanting. I won’t hold my breath though.

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  23. Foscari says:

    Of all the hundreds or more international airports in the world . A passenger
    plane goes down with a loss of 177 souls just after taking
    off from TEHRAN airport , quite near the time missiles are
    being fired at a USA base in Iraq.
    Mentally ill patients with prayer books in their bags come to mind.
    Or maybe ” mechanical failure ” could be another euphemism.
    I would like to know who was on board this flight and who
    were the “mechanics” who checked the plane on Monday.
    But of course all of this is a conspiracy theory, isn’t it?
    Maybe I got the wrong impression after watching the film ARGO.
    BUT I am sure the BBC will give us all the facts, because we all
    trust them, don’t we?

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    • john in cheshire says:

      It’s too much of a coincidence, even if I accept coincidences occur so often.

      But also, isn’t it interesting that this iranian general who was obliterated is now spoken of in the MSM as though he’s always been known about, by everyone. For me, until he had his life threatening intervention, I’d never heard of him before. We aren’t being played again, are we?

         32 likes

  24. Guest Who says:

    More tragedy in any terms…

    BBC News

    Last year the number of people killed across the UK fell — but homicides in London went up again.

    …especially the number in person hours in Frankie Howerd composing the ‘representative’ imagery in sad complement.

       19 likes

  25. StewGreen says:

    The Giles Coren vs Owen Jones major spat
    … and how come beeboid Coren got away in 2018 with tweeting that he going to come round to someone’s house and f…ing stab them ?
    twitter

       20 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      Stew – there s been a bit of that on twitter citing the times column of coren explaining why he withdrew from twitter . It seems some friends of mr Jones found out where mr coren lives and went there whilst he was out but his family was in .

      I have time for Jones or coren because they are fellow bubble dwellers but it shows the underside of the like of mr Jones supporters.

      I’m guessing that despite those 2 people being regulars on the BBC there has been little or no coverage on the BBC.

         21 likes

  26. NCBBC says:

    Patrick Moore – The Power of Truth

    Patrick Moore was the founder of Greenpeace.

    Well worth watching.

       18 likes

    • Up2snuff says:

      NCNNC, am less than one-third of way thru’ watching this. Thanks. Very informative.

         7 likes

  27. Fedup2 says:

    On the Londonistan Evening Standard today is a piece by Craig Oliver – former BBC and number 10 type who desperately makes a case defending the BBC . He tells lies by saying there is no political bias in the BBC .

    Perhaps he should look in the mirror and say “ brexit “ . The mirror will crack ( see representation of remainers over the last 3 years or the great daily Project Fear ) .

    If you easily get upset by the words of a smug metro type it might be best if you avoid the article . It avoids the propaganda element which we record here every day –
    And the fob off of legitmate formal complaints or the lack of transparency we see . Otherwise enjoy !

       31 likes

  28. StewGreen says:

    How the BBC represents ISLINGTON bubbleworld and not the UK

    – Cyprus sex attack victim ..selected for BBC Operation-banging-on
    – Oxford court case victims .. hardly whispered
    same day !

    Some victims are more unequal than others ?

       53 likes

    • vlad says:

      13? A bit old I’d have thought.

      But if the beeb want to hide it (in Regions), then it behoves us to expose it!

      Naim Khan, 41, formerly of Herschel Crescent, Mohammed Nazir, 44, formerly of Wood Farm Road and Raheem Ahmed, 42, formerly of Startwort Path were all convicted yesterday following a trial which began on October 14.

      https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/18145824.child-sex-gang-will-not-face-re-trial—sentencing-date-set/

      10878516.jpg

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      • NCBBC says:

        I just wonder how tens of thousands of rapes of vulnerable young girls escaped notice by the police, BBC, and the authorities from the Home secretary down. It beggars the imagination.

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    • StewGreen says:

      Again : How the BBC represents ISLINGTON bubbleworld and not the UK

      – Jailed BBC worker Nazarnin ..selected for BBC Operation-banging-on
      – Lives of thousands of victims of Soleimani/IranianGovernment
      hardly ever mentioned

      Some victims are more unequal than others ?

         26 likes

  29. StewGreen says:

    Vine ..doing Iran
    Who does he go to ?
    Peter Oborne
    …who is live from Tehran telling us that
    .. ‘basically the country is united in grief and the guy was their Nelson

    (Our Posting ‘was stuck for 15 mins , then all posts appeared at once)

       27 likes

  30. StewGreen says:

    “Food ‘made from air’ could compete with soya
    By Roger H BBC environment analyst”
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51019798

    It’s weird that Harra now uses that term ‘food made from air’
    .. cos I have seen that headline before about Finnish company @Solar_Foods… and NASA
    last year in March, July, August, November

    In June Tim Worstall busted it
    ” that’s ten times more expensive than the ones we already eat.”
    https://www.continentaltelegraph.com/uncategorized/the-new-very-expensive-finnish-food-made-from-electricity-air-and-water/

    Also from July https://www.cfact.org/2019/07/17/food-from-thin-air/

       19 likes

  31. StewGreen says:

    Last night 11pm Radio4 repeat of Little Brexit

       10 likes

    • JimS says:

      “You can’t do French kissing any more because of that Brexit thing”

      Good. A handshake is quite sufficient.

         14 likes

  32. Thoughtful says:

    Piers Morgan has gone off on one over vegans killing insects, and maybe he’s right, but he should have been talking about an ecological disaster destroying the habitat of creatures and killing them

    98% of the deforestation in Mexico is to make way for avocados of all things!

    Then these fruits have to be airfreighted across to the UK Canada or the USA to be sold making the situation even worse.

    But there’s worse because there are similar deforestations underway to produce enough soya to feed these eco loons.

    To be a proper vegan without hypocrisy, or killing the planet in a very real way, they should comit to only eating seasonal European food or that which can be brought by sailing ship.

    So that’s potatoes, carrots, onions, parsnips, turnips, swedes, apples pears and a few nuts.

    Maybe a few salad plants which haven’t been grown with artifical heat & light.

    Otherwise they are more of a danger to mother Earth with their destructive needs than ordinary meat eaters are !

       31 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      “98% of the deforestation in Mexico is to make way for avocados of all things!”
      ..too wow to be true claim

      “Then these fruits have to be airfreighted across to the UK Canada or the USA to be sold making the situation even worse.”
      …actually Guacamole is a Mexican national dish
      ..they eat plenty of avocados
      Mexico is so large .. forest clearance will be for other crops/houses often.

         9 likes

    • john in cheshire says:

      Perhaps Mr Morgan could spare a few minutes; about 14 minutes; watching this from Anne Marie Waters. She’s setting out the For Britain manifesto in chunks. This one covers their proposals regarding the slaughter of animals in the UK. And I tend to agree with her views and proposals. But no other political party will acknowledge this subject let alone discuss it. And neither will the MSM.

         18 likes

  33. StewGreen says:

    Trans again : Yesterday’s BBC World Service prog

       14 likes

  34. Dover Sentry says:

    It’s wrong in my opinion to use the term ‘historic rapes’ with regard to rape gangs. Technically, every rape is historic in that it has happened in the past.

    But the term ‘historic’ is used in this context to dilute the offence and make it less serious.

    We never hear about ‘historic murder’, ‘historic GBH’ or ‘historic burglary’.

    I wonder why 🙁

       44 likes

  35. Up2snuff says:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

    Looks like the Grand Ayatollah is not so grand after all and has been firing blanks, judging by the intact missiles.

       22 likes

    • Up2snuff says:

      sorry, meant use the ‘Edit’ facility to add the word casings after missile in my post but got distracted.

      That photo doesn’t look right at all. No craters, no scorching to be seen. More Gullibles Travels on the part of the BBC? Rather looks like it. The photo has now been taken down.

         11 likes

  36. Kaiser says:

    its the venues fault,
    lets impose heavy costs on venues ,
    cos its the venues fault,

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-51033162

    the last large venues I went staff had loads of “security” staff
    but who vets the “security” staff

       12 likes

  37. Guest Who says:

    Newsbeat

    “It’s close to my heart and I’m worried about the family. We’re all worried about them, their safety, their future.”
    After military strikes between the US and Iran, what do British Iranians feel about the tensions?

    BBC.COM
    What British Iranians think about the rising tension

    The Iranians I have see posting on twitter, ‘British’ or otherwise, may have a different view to those the BBC selects to share as ‘news’.

       21 likes

  38. StewGreen says:

    France, their equivalent of Radio4 is getting the same criticism
    “In his new novel, Frédéric Beigbeder denounces the dictatorship of compulsory sneering which is now the embodiment of Radio-France-Inter comedy”

       18 likes

    • vlad says:

      Times: “The French equivalent of Radio 4 is under fire after one of its former stars accused it of becoming a platform for “sneering” left-leaning humorists.

      Frédéric Beigbeder, an author who had a daily slot as a commentator on the state radio station France Inter until he was dismissed in 2018, accused it of undermining democratic values with a “dictatorship of sniggering”. ”

      France is waking up. Europe is waking up. The World is waking up.

      While over at the beeb…

      cartoon-snoring-saidaonline.gif

      …they still think adolescent leftism is progressive and cool. Like, man.

         36 likes

  39. Beltane says:

    According to that embodiment of a contradiction in terms, an expert in the Independent, the talented military genius and warm-hearted man of the people Soleimani was in Baghdad to broker talks between Sunni and Shia muslims, with a view to ending the conflict of centuries.
    Well, would you believe it? More to come on Newsnight, no doubt.

       26 likes

    • Up2snuff says:

      And also broker a peace between Hezbollah, the PLO and the PA and the rumps of Fatah and Hamas and Black September by uniting them (or any combination that can be arranged) …..

      ……… perhaps in an attack on someone, somewhere?

      Now who could that be?

      Bashir al Assad? Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman? King Abdullah II?

      Or someone else or another nation altogether?

         16 likes

    • vlad says:

      I heard he was in Iraq to open an orphanage and had brought his guitar to sing Kumbaya to the kids.

         27 likes

      • Up2snuff says:

        LOL, vlad.

        What amazes me, listening to much of the BBC R4 coverage is not how blatant the BBC have become in showing forth their prejudices but how dim they have become by not actually stopping for a moment and asking “Could the CIA have gathered information that Soleimani was planning a devastating attack on Jerusalem or Riyadh or Amman or Cairo or Baghdad that might have left millions – including women and children – dead?” and “Is it possible that the CIA or another informant had provided credible information that such an attack was imminent?” and “Could President Trump have acted on Soleimani because it was the only way to prevent a massive tragedy?”

           15 likes

  40. scribblingscribe says:

    Iran looks as though it has taken the sensible option.

    Oh no. President Trump appears to have got it right again.

    Tomorrow the BBC will have a day of apologising for its hysterical students union reaction to the killing of Soleimani. Jon Sopel will vow not to sneer or offer up witless putdowns of the president for up to 3 hours.

       30 likes

  41. StewGreen says:

    Venezuela : interesting that yesterday the left controlled military couldn’t prevent Gaido getting into parliament.
    … So Maduro does not have an iron grip on even the centre of government.

       15 likes

  42. StewGreen says:

    The BBC certainly is NOT a bubbleworld which provides its mates with a platform to push their activism.

       10 likes

  43. StewGreen says:

    So why don’t BBC London comics do stuff like this ?

    BBC Scotland shows the way

       23 likes

  44. Thoughtful says:

    I see the Bottler has been defending the horrible Iran nuclear deal again in Parliament.

    I can’t imagine any legitimate reason why a British PM would want to support this not least at this time.

    Unless of course
    https://www.commdiginews.com/politics-2/iran-bribe-european-diplomats-102278/

    And BTW if you think such a thing is unthinkable take a read of these two one just announced this evening:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/21/sarkozy-charged-libyan-cash-campaign/

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48694683

    If a French President like Sarkozy can be brought to trial for accepting bribes from Ghaddafi’s Libya then why is it so unthinkable that several British PMs have done similar things?

       17 likes

    • john in cheshire says:

      Good points.
      And just because we’ve had a General Election resulting in a majority government, doesn’t mean that the swamp has been drained by a miracle.

      The rats are still there, swimming around in their own piss and shit.
      If the new government was remotely concerned about draining the swamp, Mr Sedwill would have been booted out of the building by now.
      And for those who watch UKColumn news on YouTube, today’s report is worth a watch just to find out what the Civil Service is up to and how Common Purpose is unsurprisingly involved.

         11 likes

  45. taffman says:

    “Brexit: Full UK-EU trade deal ‘impossible’ by deadline – von der Leyen”
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51028614
    Boris needs to pick his side, The EU or The USA?
    The European Army or NATO?

       15 likes

    • Thoughtful says:

      The bottler commit to something? Don’t hold your breath !

         9 likes

    • jazznick1 says:

      Need to add another to the list as the Donald has told UK/Europe to pull out of the (already dead/expiring) Iran Nuclear Deal that O’blimy set up at great expense.

      Boris has only just committed to stay with it……………
      But Donald has today told him to pull out…………

      Boris – deal or no deal !?

         12 likes

  46. Guest Who says:

    Well the Indy or Graun would not have been seen by anyone…

    https://tradingaswdr.blogspot.com/2020/01/levers.html?

       5 likes

  47. Fedup2 says:

    This is a reflection more than anything else .

    Watching the BBC news was once a passive thing. One absorbed the ‘news’ . But once one becomes aware of the propaganda bias in every thing the BBC does now – watching it becomes an alien activity where nothing is taken at face value .

    Absolutely nothing .

    And when the BBC pretends to be warm old Aunty again – like the times it’s after even more money than the licence fee through the red nose, bear thing ‘comic whatever ‘et al – one knows that the money will be going to chosen ‘ causes ‘ BBC types prefer – as opposed to the general ‘good’

       26 likes

  48. Fedup2 says:

    I don’t know if anyone has the capability – but the Telegraph has a piece about the failing of BBC Radio 4 and ‘what has gone wrong ‘.
    If it’s possible to repost it that would be good .ta .

       11 likes

  49. pugnazious says:

    Funny old thing…

    The world and his wife noticed that Ricky Gervais slaughtered the entitled celebs and their favourite companies…however…the BBC deigned not to notice and pretended it was all merely just a bit of a laugh…despite the ‘Right’ applauding loudly and the ‘Left’ being outraged. The BBC completely avoided mentioning any controversy….

    Golden Globes 2020: Ricky Gervais’s best jokes and other highlights

    The BBC passed it off as just a bit of banter…no idea that he was genuinely kicking the celebs in the nuts for their hypocrisy, arrogance and entitled whinging.

    ‘From the moment Ricky Gervais walked on stage at the Golden Globes on Sunday night, it was clear he was taking no prisoners.’

    The problem of course is that nowhere does he mention Trump, nowhere does he launch into the usual celeb lazy, ‘clever’, very pleased with themselves anti-Trump sneering and mocking of a type we see all too often from BBC reporters in particular.

    Had Gervais ‘done’ Trump he would have been the darling of the night and the BBC would have run headlines on it, as it is I can’t say I’ve heard the speech mentioned which is unusual….get a compere who lashes out with crowd-pleasing[inside the bubble] anti-Trump etc mockery and the BBC is only too eager and pleased to talk about it.

    ‘Jonathan Pie’ has noticed how Gervais genuinely savaged ‘Hollywood’…whilst the BBC looks away and pretends it all went swimmingly…

       28 likes

  50. pugnazious says:

    The BBC reports…..

    ‘Greggs staff to get £300 bonus after ‘phenomenal year”

    This is apparently #duetobrexit…..sorry….#duetobreakfast.

    Apologies but had to be done.

       28 likes

    • Dover Sentry says:

      Here’s yer coat… 🙂

         13 likes

    • Woolwich says:

      I nearly burst a vein when this was reported on the local ITV news. They couldn’t help but editorialise the story by suggestng Greggs profits were largely down to the vegan sausage roll.
      Here’s a thing, I remember when it was such a small company that it was called Gregg’s Of Gosforth. Since then it’s expanded from a North East based company to going National. They’ve rebranded the shops with new clean fonts. Their pricing is the right side of what customers want to pay (A trip to their outlet in Newcastle Airport is part of part of many families plan when flying to a holiday. A bacon roll and a coffee for about £3 versus £3 for a bottle of water once you pass passport control? Substantial Sandwiches and crisps for a family of 4 for under a tenner to eat on the plane versus an inflight meal for one costing £15?). They’ve leveraged said vegan sausage roll for publicity. They have shops in major cities open 24 hours a day.
      I wish Greggs was a government run organisation only so I could find out how much the vegan sausage roll ACTUALLY contributes to their bottom line via a freedom of information request.

         9 likes