Start the Week Thread 2 December 2019

Islamic Terrorists are attacking again and it’s 10 days to the General Election . Plenty of mud will be thrown about and we ll witness the biased Far Left BBC trying to make it stick to the Conservative and Brexit Party as much as possible . More and more people are finally realising how biased the BBC is ( see Andrew Marr ).

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318 Responses to Start the Week Thread 2 December 2019

  1. StewGreen says:

    Current outragebus Godfrey Bloom has said something nasty to father of the London Bridge victim.

    The missing context is a bit messy: the father first said
    “Don’t use my son’s death, and his and his colleague’s photos – to promote your vile propaganda.
    Jack stood against everything you stand for – hatred, division, ignorance.

    He wasn’t criticising Bloom he was quoted an anti-Daily Mail Twitter account called DMreporter
    that said
    TOMORROW: Just a reminder that the Daily Mail (and their copycat friends) are literally nothing more than the propaganda wing of the Tory Party, happily serving up piles of steaming bullshit messaging straight from central command.
    Actually I hate to defend the Mail, but their story seems pretty straight not hatey
    Whereas the father seems to be making a POLITICAL point and the one sowing hate and division.
    But he is allowed to be wrong
    .. So of course Bloom should have kept his tongue , this time

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    • Thoughtful says:

      The father of the killed graduate is a Labour party activist who appears more interested in running his mouth with the same insane political idiocy which got his son killed than he is with the death of his son.

      The Sweden attacker mentioned previous was a Jihadi who shot someone in a terrorist attack and served just 5 years before he was released, and went right back into it again.

      Keeping them locked up is not the answer, seperating the neck from the shoulder is a permanent solution as most Muslim country know.

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    • StewGreen says:

      I see that at the top of the thread there is a deleted tweet from Owen Jones.

      and the father also deleted this tweet about his son not wanting longer sentences nor people to be detained
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      • Terminal Moraine says:

        I’m confused… in this new climate of not politicising events, some politicians are making political equity by asking us to respect family wishes? Does this also apply in the case of parents of murdered children who aren’t so liberally minded, but would rather string terrorists up by their balls?

        Because I’m sure a reporter could find one from the Manchester bombing, London Bridge 1, Westminster, 7/7 etc. But I doubt their voice would be so, err…. politicised.

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        • Woolwich says:

          My thoughts exactly for many years. “Strange” that not one single dissenting voice has been heard from the victims and families of terrorist atrocities ever to the best of my knowledge. Or should I say not ALLOWED to be heard.

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    • smoogie7 says:

      Maybe someone needs to tell the Mirror to stop playing games and dragging up articles from the mid 90s to smear Johnson but as we live in a country of free press I think that it should be balanced even though the left wing media are more outrageous.

      Shame that balance is missing from the BBC who as left wingers themselves are also becoming outrageous

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      • Charlie Farley says:

        Of course the Mirror won’t drag up articles about their illustrious former owner and pension raider Rober Maxwell and his lovely innocent daughter who supplied young girls to massage ? Prince Andrew and Epstein …..apparently

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Stew, is that the same Godfrey Bloom who helped to destroy UKIP?

      (This is related to Stew’s post @7.59 Dec 2 but site software has placed it here.)

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  2. Thoughtful says:

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  3. fakenewswatcher says:

    Meanwhile, in Germany, the socialist SPD -partner of Merkel’s CDU in a ‘Grand Coalition’- has drifted even further to the left, by electing a new leadership which looks every bit like the Communist leftover from GDR days, a party which calls itself ‘Die Linke’ (The Left).
    A dilemma for Merkel? Theoretically yes, but this lady is a past master at survival, whatever it takes. So we watch with interest. (Even though this ‘Grand Coalition commands only 40% support in the Federal parliament.)
    She would, no doubt, be inclined to profess her own Communist sympathies in order to survive, but her ‘conservative’ CDU party may not be quite ready for that yet.
    So she’s working on a fudge, which may well involve teaming up with the anti-German Greens, who want a deindustrialised, multicultural future.
    Meanwhile Merkel buddy Ms v.d.Leyen, who has taken over at he EU, has declared that Germany will now have to pay even larger contributions, now that the UK is leaving.
    Or are we?
    Perhaps we should stay? Merkel and Corbyn would make such a perfect ideological couple (who would both say anything to be in power), it would be a Commie marriage made in H. Plus, Merkel is catching up with the UK in terms of a certain group, by frantically importing as many as she can get away with. Believe it or not, the two countries are looking ever more like twins. Nice, eh?

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  4. StewGreen says:

    Why’s #TrollingTheGuardian trending ?
    Cos the Guardian pulled big heavy legal against
    Shaniqua for making those parody headlines
    and got her thrown off Twitter

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  5. Thoughtful says:

    Reports around that the kids hit by the car, with a 12 year old dead were ‘Asian’. No kid deserves to die that way no matter what, regardless of colour or religion.

    Other reports speak of drug addicts clearly high driving around like maniacs and no one bothering to stop them – too many Gestapo officers policing thought.

    The car has apparantly been found owned by a white man – no idea yet if it has been stolen or not.

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  6. Chalkywhite says:

    Probably been mentioned before, but what a load of typical biased BBC anti Tory cr*p:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50628644

    Turn a low number on its face by a few clicks of the keyboard. AMAZING….I thought they were meant to be unbiased during the election? Hahaha, what a joke. thought not.

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    • smoogie7 says:

      Just the BBC trying to boost Corbyn. The only reason why Labour are ‘gaining’ is because the bias against the Tories is at its most extreme.

      Corbyn has just lied his way through the GE and the BBC turn a blind eye to it. It is disgusting actually but what I expected

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  7. pugnazious says:

    Have you noticed?

    There’s one thing missing from the BBC’s reporting of the terrorist attack on Friday.

    There’s little to no asking of the question ‘why?.

    We get lots on the heroes and victims, lots on the politics and the blame game, lots on the factual events and post-attack group hugs as the BBC et al get people to talk about their experience.

    But there’s nothing about why the attacker did it, nothing about what he hoped to achieve and more importantly nothing about what motivated him, what was it that shaped his mindset so that he was prepared to do this.

    The BBC, not just them of course, the Government and Establishment also, do not want you to know the truth, the truth about what really motivated the Muslim terrorist.

    If they admitted the truth they would then have to do something about it and they will never do that. If they told you Islam is the problem, that we have, in the words of Douglas Murray, ‘too much Islam’, then they would have to do something…either admit we are all to be Islamised or…have less Islam. And that ain’t going to happen.

    The dark secret to Islam is that unless you oppose it and suppress it Islam will always take over due to demographics and a fanatical willingness to impose itself upon others….Islam is structured to win…you’re born into it or beguiled or forced to convert and once in it’s almost impossible to leave. It becomes more and more powerful and influential and as we see cows people into silence and subjugation until it is the dominant ideology….when C4 Dispatches broadcast the below video the police instead of arresting the Muslims in the video tried to prosecute C4…the video reveals the true nature of Islam…conquest and colonisation….

    On The BBC’s Sunday programme we had the usual BBC reponse to the attack…..nothing to do with Islam…these are bad Muslims, in fact they’re not Muslims at all.

    Today though we got a clue as to what is the real answer to this terrorism. The BBC brought in Dame Lousie Casey and earlier someone whose name I unfortunately forget…but both stated that prisons and ‘cuts’ were not the problem…the real problem was prevention and changing the mindset of the attackers, finding out what it was that set them off down this path, why they thought the way they did.

    Unfortunately we got no further on that and there was no attempt to follow through on those ideas and develop them further.

    Of course we know, everyone from the BBC to the government knows, what is going on…..firstly they are all Muslim and are mostly steeped in the ideology from birth…it’s an ideology that tells them they are the best and that all non-Muslims are inferior and slightly less human than the Muslim. But that isn’t enough, that lays the groundwork that enables them to dehumanise people and make them targets but what really kickstarts them down this path is the idea that Islam and Muslims are under attack by the West and non-Muslims and that Islam must be defended….a commandment that comes from the Koran.

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    All this is ‘dinner table’ stuff in the Muslim community and pretty much the orthodox view…anger about Israel, anger about Iraq and Afghanistan, anger about Kashmir, anger about Muslim countries subjugated by imperialist infidels, and of course anger at discrimination, ‘Islamophobia’ here in the UK.

    Now where do they get those ideas? From their jihadi agitators and extremists preaching such stuff day in day out, endless extremist Muslim groups like Cage, Mind, MPAC and the MCB preaching division and hate, telling Muslims that they are under attack, that they are victims of an institutionally Islamophobic white country, that Islam itself is under attack and Muslim countries are being exploited and corrupted by the infidels.

    But it’s not just the Muslim extremists preaching that…it’s mainstream politicians and media that promote exactly the same message and stoke the anger and grievance, fuelling the terrorism and hate.

    The BBC continually pumps out toxic anti-Western propaganda whether about recent events in Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel or Syria, not to mention Srebrenica or historical events going as far back as the Crusades and WW1…always blaming the Balfour Declaration, Sykes-Picot or the ‘carving up of the Middle East’ by Britain and France for events today….all narratives that exactly, exactly, echo the Islamist one. A false narrative of course.

    Not just the BBC of course…here’s Jeremy Corbyn from this Sunday after the attack….

    ‘For far too long, our country’s leaders have made the wrong calls on our security.

    Their mistakes in no way absolve terrorists of blame for their murderous actions.

    The blame lies with the terrorists, their funders and recruiters.

    But if we are to protect people we must be honest about what threatens our security.

    The threat of terrorism cannot and should not be reduced to questions of foreign policy alone.

    But too often the actions of successive governments have fuelled, not reduced that threat.

    Sixteen years ago, I warned against the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

    I said it would set off a spiral of conflict, hate, misery, desperation that will fuel the wars, the conflict, the terrorism and the misery of future generations.

    It did, and we are still living with the consequences today.

    Britain’s repeated military interventions in North Africa and the wider Middle East, including Afghanistan, have exacerbated rather than resolved the problems.’

    This is the man who would be Prime Minister, the friend of so many terrorists, who spouts the terrorist narrative, the man who fuels their anger and gives them licence to do what they do, a man who legitimises mass murder and terror.

    But still it’s not just him.

    It’s Sayeeda Warsi as well. A woman who has worked relentlessly to stir up Muslim anger and grievance as she rages about our support for Israel, rages about Prevent and tries to stop the anti-terror programme in its tracks, as she stirs up hate against the Tory Party calling it institutionally Islamophobic and constantly tells the Muslim community that it is under attack by ‘the other’…encouraging it to feel demonised and ‘othered’, marginalised and maligned….fuelling anger and resentment and kickstarting them down the road to terrorism.

    If you want to start looking for the causes of radicalisation you could do worse than start with that lot…the Muslim lobbyists, the Labour leader, Sayeeda Warsi and the BBC.

    The seeds of terror begiin with them and the poisonous narrative they sow.

    ‘“I don’t see how you can de-radicalise these people. They don’t see themselves as radicals, but as Muslims conforming to what they follow, which is the Koran.”’

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  8. StewGreen says:

    Hey Steptoe, you know this 30% off train fares
    …hows that fit with you complaining the train are OVER FULL all the time ?

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    • Banania says:

      Strange as it may seem (and it does seem strange to me) our train fares are apparently quite cheap when you compare them to those on the continent, according to an article I read. Does anybody have the details?

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  9. pugnazious says:

    So where did Corbyn get those leaked trade documents from? The BBC does ask…but not very hard….

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-50589351

    However Reuteurs suggest ‘Russia’…..
    https://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN1Y6206

    ‘Leak of papers before UK election raises ‘spectre of foreign influence’ – experts
    The leak and distribution of classified British-U.S. trade documents online resembles a disinformation campaign uncovered this year that originated in Russia, according to experts who say it could signal foreign interference in Britain’s election.
    Researchers at Britain’s Oxford and Cardiff universities, the Atlantic Council thinktank and social media analytics firm Graphika said the way the documents were first shared online mirrored a campaign called Secondary Infektion.

    Secondary Infektion uncovered by the Atlantic Council in June, used fabricated or altered documents to try to spread false narratives across at least 30 online platforms, and stemmed from a network of social media accounts which Facebook said “originated in Russia.”

    The BBC has made an enormous fuss about the intelligence report into alleged Russian interference that hasn’t been cleared for release yet and indeed spent three years trying to fabricate a case against Trump claiming he colluded with the Russkies…but not a peep about Corbyn’s leaked [hacked or stolen?] documents originating from a Russian source.

    Hmmmm…why would that be?

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  10. Sluff says:

    Further to my earlier remarks about the inept useless Tories trying to commit Hari Kari…….

    In 2005, Blair got 355 seats with 35% of the vote versus 32% for the Tories who got just 198 seats.
    Compare with…..
    The 1992 election, Major got 336 seats with 42% of the vote versus 34% for Labour who got 271 seats.
    In 2010, Cameron got 306 seats with 36% of the vote versus 29% for Labour who got 258 seats.

    Its glaringly obvious. The system is heavily stacked against the Tories and is heavily in favour of Labour.

    So why have the Tories not pushed through the 2018 Boundary Commission proposals, which were finalised on the 5th September 2018 ????

    Talk about spectacular own goal.

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    • Demon says:

      They would never have got it through the Commons. When Cameron called for fair boundaries all the lefties and their “news” outlets screamed “gerrymandering”. See the trouble they had with getting Brexit done – it would have been at least as bad as that as Labour and the SNP would be losing seats in a fair boundary distribution.

      If the Conservatives do get in then it is a matter that must be addressed urgently.

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      • Sluff says:

        Demon
        I see your point but back then the Tories and DUP were reasonably aligned and did have a working majority..
        Though admittedly some of them would have been Turkeys voting for Christmas, but a few quango chairs and peerages would have sorted that one.

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      • smoogie7 says:

        Same thing they need to address voter fraud as that is stacked against the Tories.

        And sort out the BBC who are also against the Tories.

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  11. vlad says:

    According to the leftie father of islamic murder victim Jack Merritt, his son would be livid if the terror attack were used as a pretext for tougher sentencing.
    Au contraire, I suspect his son would be mightily relieved if the animal who killed him were safely behind bars.
    And he’d be alive.

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  12. vlad says:

    According to the leftie father of islamic murder victim Jack Merritt, his son would be livid if the terror attack were used as a pretext for tougher sentencing.
    Au contraire, I suspect his son would be mightily relieved if the animal who killed him had been safely behind bars.
    And he’d be alive.

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    • Ian Rushlow says:

      Keep drinking the Kool Aid… the grieving father is entitled to his opinion. But the rest of us, who don’t share it and are concerned about our own loved ones and fellow citizens, are entitled to our opinion. And for many it runs along the following lines:
      Much tougher sentencing across the board for crimes involving violence and physical harm.
      In the case of foreign criminals, deportation and permanent exclusion from the UK upon completion of sentence.
      The loss of British citizenship for those who subsequently acquired it rather than being born British.
      A switch to a system whereby life actually means life, 20 years means 20 years etc.
      Restrictions on immigration from countries where certain types of crime are prevalent e.g. terrorism, knife crime, people smuggling, drug trafficking and so on.
      A method whereby those who authorise the early release of prisoners can be held accountable for their decisions (analogy: system of bonds for suspects in the US).
      Somehow, one suspects these notions or anyone proposing them will not find any outlet on the BBC.

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  13. andyjsnape says:

    why does the bBC also refer to NATO as Nato?

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    • theisland says:

      In beeb-land all words, including acronyms, are fair game for abuse, misuse and redefinition. The same applies to grammar. bBC employees are more used to texting and tweeting than writing serious copy. This is one of the reasons for the sad demise of the Apostrophe Protection Society mentioned by Fedup2 in an earlier post. In the great scheme of things it doesn’t really matter because we all know our language evolves and changes. However, this lackadaisical approach does reveal an underlying laziness or worse (in the case of the bBC).

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    • JimS says:

      UK news editors have adopted a style that where an acronym is pronounced as a word, rather than spelled out letter by letter, they will write it using the same conventions as for a proper noun.

      Personally I find it jars when I reading. That is because when we read we recognise patterns and can fill in gaps, both missing letters and words, when we encounter them. Hitting a supposed proper noun in an unexpected position breaks the natural reading flow.

      It surprises me that they have adopted this style as I thought that they all supported the fashion of people being described as they describe themselves, i.e. a man calls himself a woman and they all refer to him as Jane not Joe and she not he. Organisations like NATO and NASA self-describe themselves as exactly that. In the words of St. Greta, “How dare they!” mis-name them?

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  14. Fedup2 says:

    BBC Snowflake meets Reality

    One of the BBCs favoured sons of the empire – a so called comedian called ‘nish?’ ( unhappy spellcheck ) got booed of the stage at a charity bash yesterday for spouting his lefty act – according to the lefty daily mail . They even threw bread rolls at him .
    And there’s a bit of footage of him having a go at the audience and the compère having to get him off stage via the Christmas raffle .

    I don’t know if the police have been called in and arrest the audience or whether a hate crime was committed or whether counsellors at the BBC will help ‘nish’ through his difficult time .

    But it is so pleasing these self important unfunny smug lefties getting a taste .

    When they are doing one of their sad ‘comedy ‘ shows they’ve got a tame audience of friends and relatives. They are deluded into thinking they have talent and are ‘funny’. What a shock when reality bites . Hope they refused to pay him.

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    • taffman says:

      Al Beeb don’t do comedy.

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      • Woolwich says:

        Funny you should say that, I was talking to a mate just yesterday about BBC Sit Coms when I realised, I’m not sure they make them any more! Time was you couldn’t get moved for 30 minute comedies on the BBC.
        In their defence I did laugh like a drain at Vic And Bob’s new show but they’re non political, non BBC and really don’t fit into any category whatsoever.

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    • Jeff says:

      This has happened to that pompous, opinionated bore, Marcus Brigstocke as well.
      He complains bitterly that when he takes his “act” beyond the safe confines of the M25 the audiences become hostile.
      His “act” is made up of the usual pathetic tropes so beloved of Radio 4 audiences and despised by the rest of us.
      Start off with a few snide remarks about Boris, move on to Nigel and Brexit voters and finish off with a rib tickler about Donald Trump’s hair or his orange complexion.
      These BBC “comedians” don’t have a comedy act, it’s more of a left-wing lecture tour. It goes down well on home turf (in Pseuds’ Corner) where all the silly Guardianista girlies squeal and hoot their appreciation, but it doesn’t travel.
      And neither should they…

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    • Guest Who says:

      Seems #CCBGB

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  15. Fedup2 says:

    Toady watch

    Lord God it’s off switch time . Toady is Scotland ( switch off )
    Toady at the university of Edinburgh (off switch ) .

    I suppose BBC Scotland will put “braveheart “ on the night before the Election just in case the far left nationist cause needs a bit of added anti English propaganda .

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  16. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #1 – Three cheers for …

    ….7.30-8.00am segment and Nick Robinson’s interviewing of Ian Blackford (SNP). Nick did not let Ian Blackford get away with his attempt to offload SNP’s (especially that of Nicola Sturgeon) responsibility for the NHS.

    I expect the complaints from the SNP and from the Labour Party for a ‘Conservative-biased’ and ‘Government biased’ BBC and Nick Robinson will be piling up at W1A.

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  17. Fedup2 says:

    Up2
    I don’t think I can hear Blackford and his “people of Scotland “ megalomania any more .

    …… out of duty last night I watched the panorama – with some reporter pacing around in the dark outside buck house and Scotland Yard ( couldn’t figure why ?)

    Anyway – I was pondering on the whole reason that the so called wimmin victims / BBC are going after Prince Andrew . Money ? Fame ? .

    I haven’t much time for royalty – but there’s not much alternative – but if you are pretty young girl and a billionaire wants to ‘know’ you surely the alarm bells ring ?

    Declaration – I am neither of the above but just attempt to apply the law of common sense – and as for going to a private tropical island – what are they going there for – a chess tournament ?

    Call me a dinosaur – Fedupisaurus is it helps .

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Fed, I have just hit the OFF switch on Tim Harford. I usually like to listen to ‘More or Less’ and Tim & team but this morning it is a special with Tim and team looking at Election manifestos and on-air replies and ‘promises’ from interviews and debates.

      The programme has just turned into anti-Bojo ‘sneerfest’. Am not unhappy about people being anti-Bojo as I’m definitely not a fan.

      It’s the BBC ‘sneerfest’ on a serious subject at General Election time that I object to.

      As to young Andy, well he’s got himself into his own mess. How he, as a trained Royal (and they do get training, not just from HM & hubby, God bless and keep them), could not keep his own diary or have someone keep it for him of where and when he was in certain places and who was present, totally amazes me. It is said that all the brains in ‘the Firm’ went into oldest girl and the youngest lad and passed the other two by. Think we have some evidence of that.

      Listening to a clip on BBC R4, when not occupied on other tasks, of one of the female US complainants I was struck by an immediate hole in her sworn testimony that a decent lawyer should be able to drive a truck through. The BBC did her no favours by choice of soundbite, either.

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  18. StewGreen says:

    BBC “News” pushing the PR coming out of Labour front group Shelter.

    … BTW which party was in power 12 years ago ?
    Oh it was Labour

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    • Ian Rushlow says:

      135,000 children homeless and living in temporary accommodation? False news. If there was a problem of this magnitude, the government would be tackling it rather then spending £14 billion a year on ‘Foreign Aid’, along with adding to the problem by importing 100,000’s of people a year.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        I wonder how many of these are the kids of ‘immigrants ‘? And how much the welfare cost is ? Put in proper border controls and these kind of numbers will diminish if a proper government gets a grip .

        Maybe that’s where all those smug BBC charity nights should send their cash ….?

        And Ian – put the foreign aid give away in the Defence `budget ….

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        • Sluff says:

          With a population of 65 million, the numbers for any specific grouping appear huge, especially to the gullible, and they are usually made to do so by the issue-supporting pressure group in question.
          I feel sorry for Mr Arthur Smith of Doncaster. He’s a white married male in good health with no children earning £26,000 a year. He is almost the only person in the whole UK that does not have a pressure group to claim him. He’s having to fund hundreds of specialist groups out of his own taxes.
          The poor sod.

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    • G says:

      SG,
      Here’s the actual report:
      https://england.shelter.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/1620236/Homelessness_in_Great_Britain_-_the_numbers_behind_the_story_V2.pdf
      I’ve emailed the author to question how many of the number he cites are foreign nationals or, ‘refugees’. Otherwise, how are they housed……………………

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  19. Guest Who says:

    When propaganda goes… bbc…

    Do they realise how daft they look?

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  20. Sluff says:

    How weird.
    Not for the first time I swear certain news organisations now use this esteemed website as a source of information and inspiration. But on this occasion, it’s yours truly.
    Reflecting on the ‘mind numbing ‘ election, the Daily Mail’s comment column today (Tues) is titled ‘ voters are crying out for inspiration, Boris’.
    It goes on to say ‘ (the Tories) must come up with a coherent prospectus of their own. So far they have been too defensive, and risk repeating the mistakes of 2017. Repeating the same old mantras becomes stale and irritating, as Theresa May found to her cost. The country is crying out for vision. For inspiration.’

    I won’t bore readers with other pertinent quotes but will gently point out the uncanny resemblance to my post at 1338 YESTERDAY. The parallels of the whole piece are un-nerving.

    Perhaps our esteemed website management should get on the phone and start negotiations. The Daily Mail owner need not employ monkeys when he can speak directly to the organ grinders.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Sluff – congratulations on being a victim of plagiarism – next Friday the 13th we ll see if the voters like orange creams .

      The money tree promises might work again for Labour . I find in difficult of read the ‘mood ‘ as a confirmed pessimist and covert political anorak .

      If people have a memory then Comrade Corbyn and his crew wouldn’t stand a chance and it would be a Conservative landslide . But as we saw last time too many either don’t want to hear what a monster Labour is or choose to ignore it .

      People were willing to put a x next to Labour with Corbyn and momentum in control of it . So it could happen again . Then God help us .

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    • Thoughtful says:

      It’s exactly the stuff I’ve been saying here for weeks. Boris is a clueless coward, so far to the left he has become a Labour leader.
      His & Cameron’s ideas were simple to do what BLiar had done and wait for the Saudi petrol dollars to roll in.

      The party is not only rudderless, it is also clueless, with anyone who shows some decent leadship quickly cut down or never allowed in in the first place!

      It is a party devoid of vision passion and direction, as Peter Hitchens says, it is now only a club dedicated to the preservation of jobs for the sons of Gentlemen.

      As for your comment about plagarism I can tell you that as someone who has seen this first hand it is almost certainly the case. You can’t use a foreign word like Sturmabteilung referring to Enrst Rohms young National Socialist thugs, and likening them to those on Britain streets, and then see the same word appear in print the following day without someone else having read and lifted your piece.

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      • Up2snuff says:

        Thoughtful, funny thing but I was thinking this morning of The Brexit Party and how Nigel Farage has probably ‘done a Boris and a Theresa May combined’ and managed to destroy The Brexit Party single-handedly by leaving many of us with no hope of holding Bojo and the Conservative Party to account on 12th December.

        I am aggrieved.

        Help the Aged.

        Help the Aggrieved.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Well done, Sluff. You are now an influencer.

      Having read a quote from one lower down this Thread, you have to start saying and writing ‘and like’ a lot more than you do.

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  21. Thoughtful says:

    The owner of the Ford Ka which killed a Kid in Debden is pictured in the papers, his car was not insured and Police have not yet found him, but even at this stage there appears to be a desperation on their behalf not to get at the truth but to apply some political far right label to him in order to make this a race motivated attack rather than an accident.

    The pupil, named locally as Harley Watson is a white kid, but that doesn’t stop a Gestapo force seeing ‘racism’ everywhere believing the real target might have been a Muslim.

    I for one no longer trust a ‘Police’ service which every day becomes more akin to the Gestapo – policing both thought and speech. If they had used their resources more effectively they would probably have caught this man for no insurance months ago instead of trawling twitter looking for offence.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      The man has been arrested and the dead boy is white .check your facts thoughtful – and stop ranting – go to the Mail if you want to keep on about ‘cowardly Tories ‘. It’s not about BBC bias , it’s boring and I have to read the stuff .

      As for your comments about the parent of a murder victim from Friday – I found it vile. Shame on you .

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      • Lucy Pevensey says:

        Fedup, perhaps you should re-read Thoughtful’s post which does state that the boy was white.
        We sometimes disagree here. I’ve disagreed with Thoughtful myself on occasion but PLEASE! Are you trying to silence criticism of the Tory Party here? With this I agree: The Conservatives ARE useless. They are traitors and if you vote them in we will only be marginally better off than we would under a Labour government.

           13 likes

        • Jeff says:

          “…only marginally better off than we would be under a Labour government.”
          Woah, hold on. This isn’t the usual, left of centre Labour we’re all used to.
          This Labour Party would have a terrorist sympathiser (and that’s being generous to him) in number 10, a geezer who models himself on Mao in number 11 and Diane bleedin’ Abbott in charge of immigration, the police and our security. Just think about that for a minute or two!
          On top of all their other problems they are now choc full of dangerous, bullying anti-Semites.
          In five years time our country could be Europe’s version of Venezuela.
          Lucy, I’m not overly fond of Bo-Jo and the Tories. I think he’s shallow and I don’t believe they’ll bring us the Brexit we voted for.
          But…

             18 likes

          • Thoughtful says:

            Boris is also in my opinion a terrorist sympathiser, by funding al Qaeda, and promoting Irans nuclear weapons program he is far more dangerous than Corbyn.

            I’ve always though Corbyn modelled himself on Hitler rather than Mao.

            On immigration Boris is proposing a huge 1.5 million migrants in year one alone, and is like Corbyn refusing to put a cap on numbers.

            On spending Boris is not as bad as Corbyn, but he’s not far behind, and all the difference is in the speed at which the train hits the buffers.

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            • Up2snuff says:

              To Thoughtful, Jeff, Lucy, Fed and anyone else who is interested:

              I listened to almost an hour of TOADY today from 7.30am and in the main 8am News I felt I was hearing slanted news about the ‘accident’ (?) and the arrest.

              Now, that could be because I have been conditioned by this site. Or it could be because I’m learning all the time, adding more experience to a lifetime of radio but especially to my increasing news obsession starting with 1982 and the Falklands Invasion. It could, of course, be due to both.

              I think with these police involved events we have to be careful and not rush to judgement.

              I did not see or recall Thoughtful’s Friday/weekend post but it seems to me, Fed, that he’s got his facts straight above. Which is not what BBC News & Current Affairs reassured me with this morning during TOADY.

              On the subject of Conservative v. Labour, which is what most GEs boil down to, as you may have gathered from post above or below I am aggrieved that I cannot hold Bojo’s feet to the fire for making a right old mess of Brexit and his first 100 days.

              I have to say this, however, as non-big-C conservative, I have not seen canvassers for Liberals or received their GE publication. The Independent Candidate sent his poorly written leaflet as junk mail but I’ve seen neither him or any supporters. Perhaps because I’ve communicated with my MP in the recent past, she wrote from the House of Commons to tell me of her legal situation: MP representative reduced to standing candidate but I’ve not received a Labour leaflet or seen any canvassers. That was the same – twice – in the Spring of this year for local and European Elections.

              The Conservative candidate was communicating as soon as her nomination to stand was approved by CCO & the local Party. Then another leaflet arrived after canvassers called and I could not get to the door fast enough. (Was probably on here posting.) On a freezing cold day today, the Conservative candidate’s canvassers were back in my road and we got to talk.

              As a member of Help the Aggrieved, who am I favourably impressed by so far?

                 3 likes

      • Thoughtful says:

        Well I’m sorry you see my truth ‘vile’ (language of the left there fedup), but time has some my comments to be accurate.

        Of course you might believe that the dead deserve respect, in which case I say to you does that also apply to Usman Khan? Do his parents deserve the same respect as the person who facilitated and enabled his rampage?

        Where is that line in the sand drawn and who has the authority to draw it?

        From the very get go the father of the dead young Man, Jack Merritt has been politicising his death – attacking Boris Johnson and calling him the usual leftist term ‘vile’. You might not have been aware of this at the time, but I was. As this has developed further, Jack Merritt who is a Labour party activist has continually used his sons death as a platfom on which to broadcast his own political views, to the extent that he appears to me to care very little about his sons demise.

        You will note that I have said almost nothing about the dead young woman whose parents have not sought to use her death to broadcast a political message.

        There is a lot more to this backstory than I suspect you know about and not enough space or time to discuss it here.

        Suffice to say that liberal left idiocy put any number of innocent peoples lives at risk and not one of them has expressed any kind of apology or shown they have learned any lessons from it.

        I stand by my comments regardless because I believe them to be true and accurate.

           33 likes

        • Dystopian says:

          It’s clear that guys dad is the one politicising his sons death because he has only accused Boris of doing so, despite the fact that Corbyn has apparently released a video featuring the memorial and linking this terrorist attack with the Iraq war. A war which was facilitated by Labour ie Blair.
          I doubt it has occurred to him that his son might still be alive today had he not been brought up with such a liberal mindset.

             22 likes

        • Loobyloo says:

          Would just like to add that I benefit greatly from the discussions and opinions on this site, even those I might not agree with or those which are unpalatable.
          Yes, ranting needs to be kept in check, and thanks for all you do moderating, Fedup.
          I do agree with Thoughtful on the subject of the London Bridge terrorist attack – I Think it’s another example of how full of vitriol lefties are – even when their own beloved are viciously murdered, they can’t blame their own ideals. Didn’t we see similar with the beheaded hiking girls in Morocco?

          On the subject of the election, this site helped me make my decision. My constituency only won Labour by a few votes last time, so although I truly wanted to vote Brexit party, it really would have been a wasted vote. It enrages me that after this election, millions of folk will have voted Brexit party and will probably have no representatives in parliament while the snp will probably have 40+, and their own parliament as well. The whole thing stinks.

             14 likes

        • Up2snuff says:

          T, I am very suspicious about the killing of Khan. With him controlled by two members of the public, all the police needed to do – I would have thought – was to make sure his hands were empty and kept in plain sight until fully handcuffed.

          I think it would be good to get some of these people into Court to explain themselves and throw some revealing light on all their motivations. Yes, I know it costs a lot of money to keep someone like him locked up & can see a benefit in the outcome on Friday.

          I just have some lingering doubts.

          Too late now.

          I agree that Dave Merritt has been extremely disgraceful in his statements and – with the help of The Guardian newspaper and its journalists – has exploited and dishonoured his hero son.

             3 likes

  22. Guest Who says:

    BBC Wimmin Moaning Emole brings the top ‘news’…
    ***

    Men don’t like the fact I’m helping women wise up’

    Whether she’s in a club or buying tampons, 29-year-old Dami Oloniskin is never far from someone who wants her to overhaul their dating life.”I’m just like ‘Listen, I’m off the clock right now!’ laughs the blogger, known to her fans as Oloni. “Yesterday, I went to the pharmacy, and I quickly did a toiletry shop and this girl was just like ‘Are you Oloni?'”

    Oloni is the agony aunt for the influencer age, with more than 200,000 followers across Instagram and Twitter, a podcast and now a TV series. “A lot of guys are intimidated by the fact that I have access to women,” she tells me. “I think that they don’t like the fact that I’m helping them become wiser, and make better decisions sexually, romantically as well.”

    Read full article >

    Natasha Presk

    ***
    Clearly Tash and the girls at the bbc are fans. And maybe some women, who need advice on tampons for that big date. Apparently.

       8 likes

  23. The General says:

    What a despicable b****d Corbyn is :

    “The Labour leader has written to the US President demanding he takes the NHS “off the table” in trade talks, saying any “increase in the NHS drugs” would be an “unacceptable” outcome of trade talks between the two countries.”

    He will now be claiming that he has stopped the US buying our NHS.

       29 likes

  24. Guest Who says:

    BBC News

    On one piece of metal, she wrote a message to the prime minister: “Your climate crisis destroyed my home.”

    ***

    Looks like that lass who moved from BBC Pakistan to BBC Oz is ‘finding’ all the stories that BBC Paid For By British here need to hear.

    Next… Melania’s ‘extravagant’ Xmas decorations, from an outfit who sent a middle aged disc jockey and crew to Antarctica to ‘report’ on the effects of long haul flights, helicopter trips and skidoo exhausts. Probably filed by the bloke who has a Fiat 500 in HRW short stay for every trip back to promote his book whilst paid NYT he licence fee mugs.

       15 likes

  25. Guest Who says:

    Seconded.

       13 likes

    • Sluff says:

      They might reap what they sow with this one.
      An X gender person visiting a country ( by carbon neutral means, of course) might find themselves in quite a pickle if an issue occurs and they discover said country is rather less ‘enlightened’ than they would like.
      The prisons in many of the Left’s favourite countries can be rather challenging.

         27 likes

      • Ian Rushlow says:

        Gender person X arrives at Moscow’s Domodedovo airport. Security guard Ivan, 6 foot 8 inches, has had a bad day and decides that a full body cavity search is required:
        “If you were a woman, a female police officer would be used. But as you don’t have any specific gender, I assume you will be happy with me. Dimitri and Sergei will assist. Please bend over.”

        You might giggle, but transgendered security guards have campaigned for the ‘right’ to search biological (real) women at British airports.

           17 likes

    • Thoughtful says:

      One of the questions judges should be forced to consider is how many people want this and how much it will cost, and then pass that cost on to those asking for it.

      A £10K surcharge on a passport with a gender X will almost certainly sort the issue once and for all.

         21 likes

    • Beltane says:

      Since sort of ‘he’ travels in a coffin on a bed of Transylvanian earth, what use is a passport?

         16 likes

  26. Doobster78 says:

    So Dave Merritt does not want Boris Johnson (singled him out) to score political points from his sons death. Fair enough.

    But, it’s ok for Yvette Cooper to start it all off on Saturday and Corbyn and gang to politicize it but not Boris. He does not pull them up !!

    And where does he go to to say this ??? The Guardian !!!!! So basically, Dave Merritt is doing EXACTLY what he doesn’t want Boris to do and he himself is politicizing it !!!!

    Won’t be long before Corbyn knocks on for a photo opportunity , BBC no doubt in tow.

       49 likes

  27. Sluff says:

    So….both Labour and the SNP are given ample freedom on the BBC to continually scaremonger about the need to keep the NHS ‘ off the table’ in a trade deal with the US.

    Let’s hope all the private American companies that invent at their own expense and risk new treatments for health conditions don’t decide to keep a Corbyn/ Sturgeon led UK ‘off the table’ as a sales territory.

       15 likes

    • Woolwich says:

      Oooff a good point well made.

      Not only Inventing at their own expense, but with no guarantee of success at the end of it all, more drugs never make it to the finish line than actually do. And does Mr Corbyn not realise how many of the “Big American Pharmaceutical Companies” (often spat out as a pejorative term) have significant research and sales bases in the UK! I think not.

         16 likes

      • Sluff says:

        Spot on. Pfizer have a big R and D centre on the Cambridge University environs. They could move it elsewhere.
        The UK punches well above its weight with big pharma.

        So its an ideal industry for the Corbynite marxists to trash.
        Then we can all be more equal.
        None of us will have anything.
        Oh, except for the state apparatchiks of course. Including their favoured broadcaster.

           23 likes

  28. cromwell says:

    Just been watching president Trump on sky giving a press conference and just want to say that I admire that man so much fearless,routing for the USA. How I wish we had a leader in this country with half th ba*ls.

       42 likes

  29. Up2snuff says:

    BBC are ramping up the anti-sugar campaign again today (in time for the first Labour Budget in nine years or just for Christmas – or both? ← eeeek!) https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/articles/teeth_and_diet

    It appears to have several scientific holes (ho ho!) in it. For a start it assumes everyones’ natural saliva is PH neutral or alkaline. If what dentists have told me over the years is true, that is not the case.

    Then it talks about vitamins essential for tooth and gum health: Vitamin C for the latter and D for the former. Now most Vitamin C should come from a normal diet of fruits (apples, oranges, blueberries – a metro-Libbie fave – tomatoes, peppers, etc.) … which are of course acidic (Oooops! #1) ….. and loaded with sugar (Oooops! #2) in some cases or varying in others.

    Memo to BBC: stop campaigning. Your journalists are just not good enough and the facts do not support the campaigns you choose. Just stick to reporting the news and current affairs and stop propagandising.

    Please.

       26 likes

  30. Thoughtful says:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-7748277/Chaos-Lords-Taverners-Christmas-charity-lunch-comedian-Nish-Kumar-booed-off.html

    What a surprise ! When a BBC ‘commedian’ behaves according to type the bias is exposed in the full glare.

    Kumar who isn’t in the least bit funny went off on a leftist anti Brexit rant he was booed and someone managed to land a bread roll on him!
    He refused to leave the stage until he was escorted off and then with bad grace.

    Unfortunately he is typical of what the BBC describes as ‘commedy’ something which isn’t funny in the least, but has a hard edged leftisdt BBC message.

       34 likes

    • G says:

      Thoughtful,
      Yes, slowly but surely, the average Joe or man on the Clapham omnibus, are seeing through all the nonsense and indeed challenging it. In fact, following the same pattern in the US where Trump haters who have acted on the dishonest lies about the man, are increasingly being challenged. In most cases, the mere act of challenging avoids physical confrontation and demonstrates these weidoes living in the World on nonsense have no backup position and no substance to their distorted offerings. London Bridge the most recent example of people taking control in the absence of any State guidance. Too little, too late in my opinion – the damage has already been done.

         24 likes

  31. JimS says:

    It has been suggested by our old friend ‘Maxi’ that ‘Alan’ has been re-born as ‘Pugsy’, (no names, no pack drill). Maybe, maybe not.

    That does prompt me to suggest that where a commentator has a lot to say about a subject, no doubt having put a lot of effort into writing it, wouldn’t it be better if there was a mechanism to make them topics in their own right?

    I appreciate that makes more work for someone but long postings are best read as topic headers rather than inline with ‘one-liners’.

    What do you, dear reader, think?

       4 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      Jim
      I’ve tried putting up separate threads but there isn’t the discipline to stay on that subject and a few people don’t read the heading .

      In fact a lot of people ‘ bomb ‘ this site – that is my term for turning up – dumping whatever they have on their mind – closing the bomb doors and going somewhere else . In my view this is a bit disrespectful to those who ‘engage ‘ and exchange views but I suppose that is what social media is .

      I’ve thought about giving up on moderating this as it does take a bit of time and I used to read every entry to see if anything considered banned it thrown in – particularly during times when people are’ tired and emotional ‘

      Now I don’t read them all carefully because of that ‘ bombing ‘ thing I described . Also – a few posters are so full of anger that I can’t take reading the same rant over and over again . So I trawl first bad words and leave it there .

      There are other moderators but they seem a bit rare at the moment . And if Labour get in as either a full government or SNP / Lib coalition I’ll drop this site as it really will become a waste of time – it will also land up on a ‘ banned list ‘.

      I

         9 likes

      • StewGreen says:

        I do prefer separate threads

        We should have a Hall of Fame thread
        made up of the best ever posts

        But there is a problem if you leave 10 threads open , spammers can fill dead threads with crap.
        So closing threads ford prevent that.

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  32. Right Angle says:

    The Guido Fawkes blog has a catchy headline:

    https://order-order.com/2019/12/03/64-think-bbc-biased/

    At first look, I thought it meant 64% of those polled saw the BBC as well and truly biased, but sadly, a breakdown shows that 38% thought it was just “somewhat biased” and only 26% had what we BBBC posters know to be the true and accurate view, that it is “greatly biased”.

    Have a look – the comments are streaming in thick and fast!

       13 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      @RightAngle that is a staggering claim ‘36% of people DON’T think the BBC is extremely biased”
      Must be a bogus survey
      Indeed a lot of BBC fakenews begins with “a survey says”
      … they fail to mention they threw another 9 surveys in the bin etc .

      I searched for the origin of the survey and I got this.

         2 likes

  33. dafydd says:

    The article below is all over Sky news web pages and on Kay Burley this morning she ripped into a Labour minister over this..

    Has anybody seen anything about this article on the BBC..???

    https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-leak-of-jeremy-corbyns-nhs-papers-raises-spectre-of-foreign-influence-11877000

       9 likes

  34. chancygardner says:

    Well, I’ve agreed to be an overseer of the vote counting in the local constituency on behalf of the Brexit Party. This means keeping an eye on the vote counting as well as agreeing or not agreeing to whether a ballot paper has been spoiled or not. The duties also include overseeing the postal vote counting.

    I’m sworn to all sorts of secrecy and so forth, so no sneaky posts on here from me while I’m there but I’m sure it will be an interesting evening, especially as I will be adorned with VIP badges (VIP in my eyes haha).

    I’m just trying to relate this to the BBC bias, (like contestants do nervously on ‘Just a Minute’ when trying to guide their monologue to the subject matter). So..uhh…you can be sure that if there is any BBC bias referring to the amount of votes spoiled ..and all that, you can count on me to urrr..’counter’ it.

       14 likes

  35. andyjsnape says:

    “despite” brexit

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50641745

    who would of thought it investment into the UK!

       6 likes

  36. Ed Hitter says:

    It is quite remarkable how the BBC website today plays down Trump’s demolition of Labour’s lie that the NHS is up for sale to the USA.
    The BBC has spent the last week giving oxygen to this blatant lie, even devoting the first 25 minutes of Question Time to it.
    Yet, now that Trump has poured cold water on it, the BBC website chooses not to mention it in its main Trump headline.
    You have to read several paragraphs down the story itself before you get a one paragraph mention quoting Trump.

       29 likes

  37. Doobster78 says:

    FAKE news again from the race baiting Lammy. In the summer, President Trump corrected himself and confirmed in fact the nhs would not be part of any deal. But David won’t want to mention that.

    Oh, and a massive helping of hypocrisy thrown in

       25 likes

    • theisland says:

      NHS lie. It’s not just Labour’s ‘useful idiots’ like Lammy.

      @Keir_Starmer
      Nov 19
      Boris Johnson is prepared to sell off the NHS to Donald Trump’s America.
      At this election you can stop him by voting Labour.

         11 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      Frontpage of the Yorkshire post
      Jack Merritt’s father has said that Boris and the Tories are utter vile evil smelly scum
      ..and that his son would be livid if his death was used to further HATE.

      The paper used a photo of his Jack’s girlfriend crying st the memorial

         10 likes

  38. StewGreen says:

    Nish Off ..Guido has the story

       20 likes

  39. StewGreen says:

    Darn I keep getting the timeout error when I post.
    I don’t lose the post, cos when I click back and click on the right reply button my words re-appear.
    but half the time the post did get through the first time, so I end up with a double post.. which I then delete.

       3 likes

  40. Sluff says:

    Unadulterated anti Tory bias on BBC London news at 1330.

    First up – a story about homelessness in London – oh and lets make sure children are included.
    Cue the Shelter charity given free publicity.

    Next. Off we go to Guildford where the ex MP, a Remoaner, is standing as an independent and there’s a nice feature on the Lib Dems too. Guess what? Guildford may be an merging hi tech centre but poverty is a real problem.

    The BBC. Guaranteed to broadcast Propaganda on Left wing friendly issues at all times.

       15 likes

  41. Sluff says:

    The Donald is over here for a celebratory NATO summit.

    Should be a textbook Tory issue. Strong defences, nuclear deterrent.

    As compared with the CND loving pacifist parasite grandad in charge of the Labour Party, in total denial of the fact that sometimes you have to open fire.

    An open goal for the Tories.
    But what’s the betting they will miss spectacularly.

       14 likes

  42. The General says:

    JEREMY CORBYN’S PLEDGE TO THE VOTERS

    “Every Labour Government to date has consistently spend more
    than every Conservative Government including the present one.
    But, if a Labour Government with me as Prime Minister is
    elected on 12 December we will go much further and I announce
    today that within the first six months of forming the next Government
    we will have spent EVERYTHING !”

       24 likes

    • Up2snuff says:

      General Sir, yes Sir!

      And then some more.

      The Labour Government debts will saddle future generations.

      Austerity? Now?

      They may well get to experience real, full-on austerity for all of the future they may have.

         1 likes

  43. StewGreen says:

    2pm news opens “Our Dear Leader Jeremy Corbyn has stated that he will seek assurances from President Trump that the NHS is not for sale”

    “metroliberal charlatans Ofcom have said that metroliberal charlatans Channel4 News did not break impartiality rules with their ice sculpture stunt … hail St Greta PBUH”

    “SCIENTISTS SAY we are all going to fry, we’re gonna die man”

    …the news ended before they could mention that snow could be likely on election day

       17 likes

  44. Loobyloo says:

    Al Beeb like animal rights…
    They’ve found a religious festival where animals are sacrificed, to criticize. Guess which religion it isn’t!

    Gadhimai: Nepal’s animal sacrifice festival goes ahead despite ‘ban’ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-50644035

       10 likes

  45. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Oh for the good old days when Politics live used to have a leaver as one of the 4 guests to counter the 3 remainers and remainer Joe coburn.

    Now they’ve got rid of the leaver and only have 3 remainers and remainer Joe all agreeing with each other.

    Today they are still saying the nhs is on the table despite all the Tory statements that it is not and Trump saying he wouldn’t touch it if offered on a silver platter.

    They are so much in denial.
    That plonker Paul Mason is rubbishing everything Trump is saying as is that girl Rachel sylvester and the Trump hating remainer Christopher Meyer, ex ambassador brought back from the USA.

    What a bunch of [email protected] and I’m only 3 minutes in.

       21 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      So did something trigger the Labour supporters ?

      One shouts out convincing evidence and logic.

         5 likes

    • Emmanuel Goldstein says:

      Ref my post above (politics live)

      Over half an hour in.
      The guest being interviewed (not one of the panel) is far left, remainer, Trump hater, Andy macdonald, who likes the sound of his own voice so much his face is a picture when coburn tries to say anything. A petulant little man.
      He is also saying the nhs is ‘on the table’ despite all those involved saying it isn’t.
      Another in denial.

      They had a few clips of ohjeremy corbyn on as well (far left Trump hater) and here’s something, we’re told that the leavers in places like Sunderland might not vote labour because they are not sure about Corbyn and NOT because labour is a remain party (even though they say they are remain to remainers and leave to leavers)

         10 likes

      • Beltane says:

        Be fair Manny, before he changed his name Andy Mac was a big BBC favourite. Personally I always thought he was best with Sweep but it was Sooty that made him really famous.

           7 likes

  46. Loobyloo says:

    Iran protests: State TV acknowledges deaths during unrest https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50643445

    Fox had a clip of Iranian demo where the crowd chanted ‘we don’t want an Islamic Republic’
    – not shown by Al Beeb, as it puts their favorite religion in a dubious light…why wouldn’t anyone want an Islamic Republic? 🤷‍♀️

       16 likes

  47. Loobyloo says:

    Louis van Amstel says teacher ‘bullied his son for having two dads’ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50642825

    Al Beeb ‘journalists’ trawling twitter for stories from the outrage bus…
    Really, is this the best you can do?

       9 likes

  48. Loobyloo says:

    General election 2019: Three million futures in British voters’ hands https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50608540

    Dee-dums. They came to the uk, presumably voluntarily, so live with it or leave.
    I am currently living on a visa in the USA where I think it is much harder than in the uk. Quelle surprise!

       10 likes

  49. Loobyloo says:

    Also noticed that on Al Beebs uk web page under Features and Analysis they’ve helpfully included a story about a white male serial murderer next to the report about the London Bridge victims. Probably just a coincidence.

    That’s enough from me today!

       15 likes

  50. digg says:

    Whilst driving I caught the first two episodes of the BBC R4 afternoon drama “Massachusetts Avenue.”

    The story concerns the joint activities of US – UK secret service operatives.

    Despite the fact that the key storyline is based on suspected Soviet nasty tricks (Making all the traffic lights in London stick at red for instance), The entire story has the BBC running through it like a torrent. In the story, UK and US participants do not lose any opportunity to have a go at Trump and Boris. In addition the key UK agent lady turns out to be a lesbian who is planning a donor pregnancy so she and her “wife” can have a chlld as they carefully go over a list of donors credentials offered. Their main concern was to ensure that the offspring would be in their own mould intellectually and politically, i.e. very left.

    Up pops a Ukrainian operative lady subversive to help them who is obviously designed to portray the best of correct Communist thinking.

    Then up pops a UK ambassador who spouts the nasty public-school, white, middle-aged white-man British rhetoric.

    I won’t be going back for any more of this indoctrination any time soon!

       16 likes

    • Up2snuff says:

      I haven’t listened to a Radio4 drama since the latest dystopian medical thing ‘Tracks’ and that was the first for ages.

      Thanks for being a hero, digg, and saving me from wasting some of tomorrow and also having to subject myself to all the awkwardness of BBC Sounds.

         2 likes

    • soyelcaminodelfuturo says:

      Then one of the lesbians references an “old wives’ tale” to which the response from the other was a sneering “who said that, Jacob Rees-Mogg?”.

         0 likes

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