Weekend Thread 30 November 2019

The next 13 days will see a pretty undisguised Far Left propaganda stream from the BBC .
The latest terrorist attack in London will be harder for the BBC to ‘bury ‘ due to its’ very public nature with a lot of broad daylight footage online . We will have to wait and see if the BBC follow the usual pattern of minimising and ignoring the motivation to accord with its own agenda .

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337 Responses to Weekend Thread 30 November 2019

  1. lordelpus says:

    Sitting listening to Mr.Corbyn on BBC news and struck by his monotone and robotic voice.The man has obviously been coached to within an inch of his life.Just wonder what he really speaks like away from the microphone!|


  2. JimS says:

    What exactly is the purpose of Rich Hall’s series on Radio 4 on Sundays? The current version is called Thanksgiving. On air it claims to come from Washington D.C. and various Americans are supposed to be calling in.

    On the web page it says

    “A combination of stand-up, sketch and interview, Rich Hall’s (US) Breakdown broadcasts live from the fictional IBBC network in Washington to the whole of the United States.

    In this Thanksgiving special Rich and his co-host Nick Doody take a closer look at the impeachment process, hear from some Democratic presidential hopefuls and listen in as Trump pardons a turkey…”

    In reality its a third-rate vehicle for Trump Derangement Syndrome I can’t believe that most people in the UK know the names (or voices) of the Americans that are taking part so they might not be aware that it is all fake. If they lie about the location and the ‘guests’ why should we trust the BBC?

    Apparenty President Trump must be impeached because he ‘stole’ the 2016 election, well they are making up the charges as they go along do why not?

    Basically the programme is just there to indulge the ego of Rich Hall!


  3. taffman says:

    “Labour pledges to cut rail fares by a third”
    Jam tomorrow?


  4. taffman says:

    “London Bridge attack: What is the Learning Together scheme?”
    Whatever it is, its not working .
    Its time for Great Britain to ‘take the gloves off’ .


  5. pugnazious says:

    Marr’s interview:


    Click to access 01121901.pdf

    Astoundingly bad and very embarrassing for the BBC car-crash interview by Red Andy whose aim seemed to be purely to try and humiliate the PM and to blame him for the terror attack.

    There was no attempt to inform or educate but I was vastly entertained by Marr floundering spectacularly, failing to conjure up an intelligent question and attempting to answer the ones he did manage to gabble out himself. Boris need not have turned up at all really.

    It was all a bit of a pantomime, a bit of showboating by Red Andy trying to prove he was up to the job and could do as well as Neil…well, he couldn’t. Nowhere near. His ‘interview’ consisted of shouting wild accusations at Boris, refusing to let Boris answer, shouting him down and then confirming his own accusation…‘Are you guilty?….Shut up…Yes you are!’

    He tried desperately to blame the Tories for the terror attack, said the prison service was a disaster, that the Tories had a terrifyingly bad record on the NHS and not to mention Boris is Islamophobic….Marr reading out Boris’ piece from The Spectator but failing to explain why this should be called Islamophobic….naturally he didn’t read out the bit about Theo Van Gogh nor mention this was published after 7/7 2005….and I fail to see anything wrong with what Boris said…

    ‘To any non-Muslim reader of the Koran, Islamophobia – fear of Islam – seems a natural reaction, and, indeed, exactly what that text is intended to provoke. Judged purely on its scripture – to say nothing of what is preached in the mosques – it is the most viciously sectarian of all religions in its heartlessness towards unbelievers. As the killer of Theo Van Gogh told his victim’s mother this week in a Dutch courtroom, he could not care for her, could not sympathise, because she was not a Muslim.
    The trouble with this disgusting arrogance and condescension is that it is widely supported in Koranic texts, and we look in vain for the enlightened Islamic teachers and preachers who will begin the process of reform. What is going on in these mosques and madrasas? When is someone going to get 18th century on Islam’s medieval ass?
    It is time that we started to insist that the Muslim Council of Great Britain, and all the preachers in all the mosques, extremist or moderate, began to acculturate themselves more closely to what we think of as British values. We can’t force it on them, but we should begin to demand change in a way that is both friendly and outspoken.’

    Rather than explore what Boris was offering the country we had a carefully selected line up of dramatic accusations about the Tory record in government over that last 10 years…ignoring the fact that the Libdems were in coalition. The hyped up claims were totally without context and failed to acknowledge that the reason we had austerity was because we’d just had one of the worst economic crashes on record and Labour’s policy of banking and financial services de-regulation had compounded that crash…there was no money left.

    Marr was markedly keen to pin the blame for the terror attack on the Tories and made a series of false and misleading claims to bolster his accusation.
    Red Andy kept referring to the Imprisonment for Public Protection sentencing regime and its abolition by the Tories as if this was the reason for the attack..‘ this original sentence, his original sentence was an indeterminate sentence to protect IPP. To protect the public. That was abolished by the Conservatives under your colleague Ken Clarke when he was Justice Secretary. Was that a mistake? Your government got rid of the IPPs in 2012. You got rid of the IPPs in 2012 .’

    Trouble is the IPP abolition had nothing to do with this case…Usman Khan was still subject to an IPP and the cancellation wasn’t retrospective. It was the Court of Appeal that changed Khan’s sentence and made it possible for him to be released as he was…taken out of the hands of the politicians.

    But Red Andy claimed it was a Tory decision…

    ‘under the Conservatives he was let out. Under the Conservatives he was let out. This is the Conservative decision. You’ve been in power for ten years….That repulsive thing happened under the Conservatives. It was Conservative legislation and a Conservative regime’

    Khan was subject to many restrictions and there was no way any of them, short of putting him back in prison, could have stopped him carrying out such a basic attack which required no obvious planning or preparation….he had presented himself all along as a model prisoner who wanted rehabilitation..the prison and judicial system assessed he as telling them the truth….he in fact launched the attack during a rehabilitation course.

    This is what Ken Clarke, Justice minister in 2016, said as he campaigned to have the IPPs fully removed…

    ‘“The trouble is this ridiculous burden on the parole board of saying they can only release people if it’s proved to them that they’re not really a danger to the public. No prisoner can prove that – you never know when people are going to lose their control, what’s going to happen to them when they’re released.” ‘

    Oh…yes…Ken Clarke..where is he? Shouldn’t the BBC be quizzing him as it was he who wanted to abolish the IPP sentencing regime…and it was fellow remainer David Gauke who signed off on the release of Khan….oh and it was the European Court of Human Rights that said the IPPs were wrong…

    ‘Human Rights Court rules against UK’s system of indefinite sentences for “dangerous” criminals’

    Marr also claimed that Boris was trying to politically capitalise on the attack by making up legislation on the hoof in reaction to it…

    Boris said…
    ‘Well I do think there is an issue, as I’ve said about automatic early release. I think it’s wrong for serious sexual offenders. I think this wrong for violent offenders. I think it’s wrong for terrorists. ‘

    Marr accused him…

    ‘ For ten years you have done nothing about it. For ten years you’ve done nothing to change the system or toughen it. Now you’re saying, ah now I will.

    ….it’s only happened in the last 48 hours. It’s not in the manifesto, it’s not something you were talking about before this happened. ‘

    Sorry what? Boris just made up his stated aim to stop early release in the last 48 hours?

    Hell no….from August this year….

    ‘Boris Johnson seeks to keep ‘dangerous criminals’ in jail for longer with sentencing review’

    from September:

    ‘Releasing violent criminals halfway through sentences to end under new government plans’
    ‘The new measures come after Boris Johnson ordered an urgent review of criminal sentencing within days of entering No 10. One of the recommendations was to end automatic release at the halfway point of a sentence for the most serious offenders.’

    Marr then claimed…

    ‘ You had ten years in office to do something about it and you didn’t. Ten years.’


    ‘Following that review we are now introducing a range of consistent tough sentences with fixed lengths, which will see more dangerous criminals given life sentences and give victims a clear understanding of how long offenders will be imprisoned. Dangerous criminals will serve a tough extended sentence which includes a long prison term and a long period of supervision when the prison sentence has been served.’

    and in 2015:

    ‘A series of tougher sentencing measures, new criminal offences and a more balanced judicial review system will come into force when the Criminal Justice and Courts Act 2015 takes effect on 13 April. ‘

    ‘The act contains a range of law changes, including increased prison terms for serious crimes such as certain terrorism offences and internet trolling.
    It has also changed the law so anyone who kills a police or prison officer in the line of duty faces spending the rest of their life behind bars.
    The act will also end the automatic release of those jailed for child rape and serious terrorism offences half-way through their prison sentence.’

    Let’s just wind back the clock..something Marr was keen to do for the Tories but somehow forget to do when anything inconvenient for his narrative might have popped up…such as it was the BBC. Guardian and all the usual campaigners who demanded the end of IPPs…so much so that they were praised in the Guardian…

    ‘The Guardian, the BBC, the Prison Reform Trust and Ken Clarke have performed an invaluable service in again exposing the injustice and inhumanity still being visited on the thousands of prisoners in England and Wales who have served the “punishment” period of their sentences, but are still being indefinitely punished for crimes they can’t prove they won’t commit in the future if released – a form of punitive, indefinite preventive detention surely unprecedented in a democracy in peacetime.’

    Look at the narrative from the BBC and Guardian news et al and know the truth…

    ‘A landmark documentary begins by following inmates on the notorious indeterminate sentences for public protection. ‘

    ‘Ken Clarke: Change rules on ‘public danger’ prisoners’

    ‘Parole Board chair warns over ‘unacceptably high’ level of suicide among prisoners serving indeterminate sentences’

    ‘More than half of prisoners freed after serving controversial indeterminate sentences for public protection are being sent back to jail for breaching licence conditions, MPs have been told.’

    And the usual attacks on long sentencing…from the BBC…

    ‘The myth behind long prison sentences’

    The Independent…

    ‘Too tough sentences’ spark warning’

    and here’s Newsnight in 2014 laying into the remaining IPP’s…so even if Khan hadn’t been given a determinant sentence by the court the BBC would have been campaigning to have him released….

    And who is to blame for the IPP debacle?….

    ‘“I’m to blame”: Blunkett’s indefinite prison sentences and the thousands still locked up without hope’

    And note…

    ‘Imprisonment for Public Protection (IPP) sentences were ruled a violation of human rights.’

    It must be a quite remarkable feat to be able to castigate the Tories for supposedly releasing Khan when the BBC et al have relentlessly campaigned not only themselves against IPPs but also to get terrorists released from Guantanamo and other prisons, not to mention trying to have ISIS members brought back to the UK to roam here freely….and you can guarantee if the government did try to detain such people the BBC would be there agitating for their release.

    Marr’s ‘interview’ was a car crash embarrassment for the BBC that made no attempt to inform or to explore what a Boris Johnson government had to offer..this was a smear job set up purely to portray the Tories in the worst possible light even if it meant fabricating the ‘evidence’.

    However…so bad was the interview, so badly performed and so badly contrived that I imagine most viewers would have sided with Boris who remained calm and determined throughout what was so obvious an attempt to malign him.

    It was a deep joy to see the look on Marr’s face at the end as Boris had the final word and refused to be silenced.

    The Court of Appeal case…

    Click to access r-v-usman-khan-others.pdf

    The BBC report on it:



  6. StewGreen says:

    Saturday night Portillo showed us an amazing solar trainline
    ..hmm was there a catch ?

    Yeh today Tallbloke put up a video
    FFS the track is just 3Km !
    (why did Portillo omit that ?)

    It says an hourly service 10am to 5 pm .. is that 8 journeys x2 ?
    for the 3Km journey ..that seems to be 48Km
    Do you need much energy to go 30 miles in a day ?


  7. Nibor says:

    BBC unreality people .
    A couple of things that normal people believe

    A) prisons are places that anyone doesn’t want to be in .
    ie ; unpleasant places . Not places that criminals don’t mind going back to , or consider an inconvenience to be in thus stymying their criminal activities , some place to spend awhile when a felony ” goes wrong ”
    Normal people aren’t shocked about bad conditions in prisons .normal people think that Elisabeth Fry and prison reformers of the 19 century would think 21 century prisons would need reforming the other way ; more deterrence needed as most would have been through the softer system before incarceration .
    B) such things as gymnasions should not be part of a prison . Why should a criminal feel fitter leaving a prison than when he went in ? Why should prisoners have free one to one tuition inside which the law abiding outside don’t have ?

    Normal people don’t think the prison system , probation service or parole board need ” more resources ” or ” we can’t protect the public on the cheap ” . More common sense and less profligacy would solve the problems .


  8. Celtic_Mist says:

    The Guardian tells the truth – almost


  9. pugnazious says:

    LOL…probably the most amusing thing I’ve seen all weekend..apart from Marr’s actual interview with Boris…compare this to that interview…Marr writing in the Spectator on day before….seems like a plan…gotchas and cheap shots designed to be clipped for soundbites and headlines….that’ll be our Andy…so self-aware….

    ‘My Sunday job is to ask questions; but in this campaign there is a line of criticism of television interviewing which makes me pause. The rise of misnamed social media (mostly Twitter) makes it all too easy to clip and post ‘Gotcha!’ moments, when a politician appears to be gasping for air at a particularly pertinent question.

    Two or three such moments now win the wearisome accolade of ‘a car crash interview’. So (goes the criticism) interviewers are under increasing pressure to skew their shows that way — go for cheap shots, get them online, and hope they go viral.

    I admit it’s a temptation. But as compared with fact-primed, carefully planned and constructed interviews — of the kind Andrew Neil does — to go for ‘car crash’ moments would be folly and a disgrace. It’s a temptation (just wallow in the Twitter applause) which must be resisted. If I’ve fallen into it, I hereby apologise.

    And after all, the single most watched and damaging television interview of recent times, Emily Maitlis with Prince Andrew, contained no showmanship on Emily’s part whatsoever. There is nothing more effective than the right question at just the right moment, calmly put.’


  10. Celtic_Mist says:

    Just right

    “This term was explained in the case of R v Syeedy (2016) Manchester Crown Court Case No: T20167130 (unreported) as follows: “amulets, that is small objects which can be carried by the people who wish to be healed. The Arabic word for the amulets of this kind is “taweez” and a taweez commonly takes the form of writing on a small piece of paper which is then folded up or rolled up andis either wrapped in some other paper or is put into a small receptacle of some kind.” 4 Advertisements for those who practice Ruqya are widely found online and in popular UK based Urdu language newspapers. Examples include treatment (https://www.ruqyainlondon.com/) and therapy (http://ruqyacentre.com/) offered online, and advertisements appearing in The Daily Jang offering services to customers to rid them of black magic on Friday 29 September 2017, Saturday 4 August 2018 and 10 September 2018. Often referred to as Ruqya centres, these centres can be found across the UK. 5 (2016) Manchester Crown Court Case No: T20167130 (unreported).”

    Click to access peace-tv-breach-decision.pdf