Midweek Thread 27 November 2019

Nearly half way through the election campaign and the Far Left Pro Labour bias is pretty much set . Stories which potentially harm Conservative pro Brexit views are maximised whilst stories harming Labour are avoided or minimised . The Brexit Party is refusing to take part in C4 politics programmes and it can’t be long before the BBC is boycotted because of left and anti brexit bias . At least the Chief Rabbi can’t be shut up .

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427 Responses to Midweek Thread 27 November 2019

  1. Fedup2 says:

    World at one

    Lady Brooke having a nice chat with some union type – given free rein to do a party political – she asked him to name a Labour Brexiter – he couldn’t do it . She let him off. Definitely not modelled on Andrew Neil . Lefty bias at its worst .

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  2. digg says:

    The latest Labour / Unite talking head Lan Mclusky on R4 telling leave Labour voters not to worry, Labour will be looking at thinking about a way of dealing with it to get the kind of result that would help protect jobs and hit the rich etc. etc. etc…..

    So Mr McKlusky does that mean we will be once again running our own Country and no longer be under EU Law and take back our British fisheries etc. for instance?

    These are the biggest factors to most Brexiteers which the left simply refuse to talk about, nothing to do with the tired old “hit the rich” mantra of Labour and the Unions.

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  3. digg says:

    The latest Labour / Unite talking head Lan Mclusky on R4 telling leave Labour voters not to worry, Labour will be looking at thinking about a way of dealing with it to get the kind of result that would help protect jobs and hit the rich etc. etc. etc…..

    So Mr McKlusky does that mean we will be once again running our own Country and no longer be under EU Law and take back our British fisheries etc. for instance?

    These are the biggest factors to most Brexiteers which the left simply refuse to talk about, nothing to do with the tired old “hit the rich” mantra of Labour and the Unions.

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  4. Fedup2 says:

    Digg
    As well as the EU gravy train which lefties have been riding for 40 years of recirculated UK tax money with that damn flag stuck on it .

    By the way – I’ve worked out when Bojo will go to the dentist with dr Andrew Neil – Thursday 12th December …. 10pm

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  5. Nibor says:

    Recent headlines have been about flooded homes built at unsuitable places .
    In a hundred years it will be about homes and infrastructure affected by the roots of unsuitably planted trees .

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  6. Sluff says:

    Its not often I take the Telegraph to task for aiding and abetting Corbyn, but…….
    Sloppy journalism. They bemoan that The UK spends a lower %of GDP on healthcare than a whole list of other nations.
    But what they, and for that matter everyone else who uses this line, forget to make clear is whether that spend is public or private or in total. The BBC likewise selectively report in this way.
    The main reason other countries spend more is that they do not stigmatise individuals who spend their own money on their own healthcare, so a % of the total is private spending.
    In the UK it is virtuallly regarded as sacrilegious to do so. Possibly millions in this country will gladly spend unlimited fees at the vets for their pets yet refuse to countenance spending on their own health.
    With mindsets like that, no wonder our overall healthcare provision lags behind.

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  7. digg says:

    40,000 farmers block Berlin with thousands of tractors in EU protest

    https://www.euractiv.com/section/agriculture-food/news/40-000-farmers-on-tractors-block-berlin-in-protest-at-new-agricultural-policy/

    Nothing on the Beeb, compare with eco-loons ER exposure in London….

    But then again they are only farmers not University professors or students so nothing to see here!

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    • digg says:

      I think we are seeing the beginning of a new front in the push-back against the self-appointed eco-police. I really hope it becomes massive and makes these empty-heads realise where their quinoa and avocados come from.

      So come on you British toiling food producers, get behind the German farmers and show these prigs the light!

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      • Up2snuff says:

        TOADY Watch #1 – bit late, pig on the line at Clapham

        digg will be pleased to note that I did ‘a Fedup2’ at a local, well-known, supermarket today and deliberately bought a ‘bag-for-life’. Very stylish it was too, celebrating some sort of anniversary or other. Only 10p, so there!

        May well do it again if the mentalistenviros keep going on about raising the price of these things to 70 pence or more. The one of the things we know about Extinction Rebellion and mentalistenviros is that they are all not short of a bob or two but really want to make life prohibitively expensive for others including much less well-off poorer people.

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        • Fedup2 says:

          Up2 rebelling …

          I’m going “ long” on 3 month bag for life “ futures and ( see below ) going off to find out what FOAD means ….

          I fear it may be more clever than the industrial language with which I am casually familiar and likely to censor it as any power mad moderator would – knowing what it means or not .

          Otherwise – Tory HQ must be as desperate for bad polling figures as the stavka must be looking for reds to return to ‘ our Jeremy ‘ – guest appearance on corry or pretending he has any interest in soccer kick ball .

          The late great Clive James described Corbyn as ‘ an eternal student ‘ which hits the spot ..
          Now … FOAD ?

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          • Up2snuff says:

            Fed, “I’m going “ long” on 3 month bag for life “ futures ” LOL! Well, you have to subside that pension inequality somehow.

            On the morning after the 5p charge for the old style bags was introduced, some people immediately became richer.

            I know someone called Foad. Probably nothing to do with him.

            Clive was not afraid to take a dig at his fellow Libbies and Lefties. Very droll.

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      • Celtic_Mist says:

        It will be interesting to see how beeb spins this –

        “About 10,000 farmers with 5,000 tractors drove into the city, with the first 1,800 heavy vehicles arriving from the surrounding state of Brandenburg before dawn.

        The farmers claim new environmental limits being planned are overly restrictive and that the government is making it impossible for domestic agriculture to compete against imports, among other things.

        “7.5 billion people; 200 million can feed themselves as hunters and gatherers. The rest need farmers,” read one banner, while others simply stated: “No famers, no food” and “we fill you up”.

        The tractors gathered in the heart of the capital, blocking wide areas of the city with slow-moving convoys on the way in with a plan to cause more disruptions on their way out at rush hour.

        https://www.southwestfarmer.co.uk/news/18063095.farmers-block-berlin-roads-tractors-protest-government-policies/

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      • StewGreen says:

        If you look at @CMs post you’ll see its 2 different protests against the Green-supremacist agendas
        – One by French farmers
        – The second by German farmers
        – And Netherlands farmers blocked roads a couple of weeks ago.

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  8. Roland Deschain says:

    Not BBC but… what a charmer!
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    I actually didn’t know what FOAD meant and had to get it from the replies taking him to task. Perhaps I’ve led too sheltered a life. Suffice to say I can’t translate otherwise FU2 would censor!

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  9. Celtic_Mist says:

    Voices the BBC wants to suppress

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  10. Guest Who says:

    What would Jez do without the impartial BBC to refer to?

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  11. StewGreen says:

    Labour trickery they’ve got #bbcImpartiality trending
    ..and hundreds of activists are tweeting that the BBC is AGAINST Labour

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    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      Stew, it’s Corbynmonoxide Poisoning

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      • Scroblene says:

        I heard a ‘bulletin’ on R5Dead recently, where the autocue-reader had to say that Labour was heading for a huge drop in seats.

        First, who on the BBC sanctioned this disgraceful lie, and second, why did they choose the most miserable, sad-sounding, tired-out, caffeinated, nose-ring wearing, torn-jeans-appreciating, snowflake identifying, SJW-paid-up-member (ing), Gitta-loving, Corrobin-sucking-up-to, President Trump-hating, benefits-loving twonk to make the ‘fact’ known to the public?

        They could easily have used a robot…

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    • StewGreen says:

      Twitter created a newspage for it
      https://www.twitter.com/i/events/1200046398126714881

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  12. pugnazious says:

    When Labour launched their manifesto and its massive spending plans the Tories calculated that Labour’s policies would cost £1.2 trilllion…the IFS said that Labour’s spending was ‘colossal’ and that it was unfeasible and not credible.

    The BBC’s response? Basically to ignore Labour’s massive splurge, ignore totally the IFS’s comments and instead attack the Torie’s costing of Labour’s policies…whilst trying desperately not to tell us what Labour’s policies are and how much they will actually cost. Bear in mind that the IFS is the BBC’s goto economic guru for gold-plated comment…usually. Note also that the BBC always, always placed Labour stories and announcements before Tory ones in the news line up….even when the Tories announced their own manifesto the first story on the BBC news was Labour’s latest announcement about renting….the Tory manifesto was an also ran in the news bulletins whilst the BBC spent the day discussing how Labour will save renters from being exploited by ruthless capitalist landlords…and always telling us how bad the housing market and conditions for renters are…so vote Labour!

    How different today…today the IFS critiques both Labour and Tories….and guess what..suddenly the BBC is trumpeting their words from the rooftops….

    Top, headline story on the website and top story on every news bulletin…note the Tories get first billing here…

    Tory and Labour spending plans ‘not credible’ – IFS

    And we hear now that the IFS is ‘A leading economic thinktank’ and an ‘influential economic research group’…funny how last week the BBC totally ignored what they said about Labour…of course they need to mention it today but that’s an acceptable price to pay in order to get a chance to inflict damage on the Tories…especially as it looks like the polls are saying Labour is a lost cause….so nothing to lose.

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  13. StewGreen says:

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    • Guest Who says:

      I could share a few more from bonkers lefty commentators, but as they seem all afflicted with Tourettes in their writing, I cannot here.

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    • StewGreen says:

      The politburo must have sent an instruction to every Labour minion. There are dozens of such tweets.
      I’d ask them to post screenshots of their cancellation licences.

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      • Thoughtful says:

        LOL, the difference is that the Cowardly Boris the bottler, refused to be interviewed so we will never know what the BBC would have done.

        Had Corbyn apologised for the parties anti Semitisim the interview would not have gone the way it did and there’s no one to blame for that except for him!

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      • Dave S says:

        Corbyn sets himself up. Incompetent and passive aggressive in turn. Jo Swinson is clearly out of her depth. Nicola can handle herself and Boris and Farage are OK. No bias just that really.

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    • StewGreen says:

      Does Will Black answer my simple request ?

      Or does he run away by blocking me
      “You’re blocked
      You can’t follow or see @WillBlackWriter’s Tweets”

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    • Foscari says:

      For a start ANDREW MARR -Who as a columnist at the
      Daily Express was further to the left of Corbyn !!!!!!!

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  14. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #2 – Hhancocks Hhhard Times

    Matt Hancock as Secretary of State for Health drew the short straw and was back on the TOADY Prog again this morning. He was having to make excuses for Bojo selling off the NHS to the Americans, except he did not, he stood up to JustRemainIn Webb’s near belligerent questioning without ever going on to the attack.

    Had it been me, I think I would have gone on the attack. ‘How dare a Civil Servant leak something in order to try to influence a General Election, especially this close to Polling Day!’ ‘How scurrilous of the leader of the main opposition Party to use it in that way!’ etc., etc.. And had JustRemainIn Webb demurred, I would have then included the biased BBC as complicit with Corbyn.

    Which they do rather appear to be at present.

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  15. lojolondon says:

    Strangely enough – today SKYNEWS had something good to say about Donald Trump, and his show of support for their democracy – https://news.sky.com/story/hong-kong-protesters-celebrate-after-trump-signs-bill-backing-their-civil-rights-11872136
    Of course, the BBC couldn’t bring themselves to cross that line !! “China warns the USA …” https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-50584928

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  16. Celtic_Mist says:

    Ofcom told them to make more content for children. I think though they meant the majority of children.

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  17. StewGreen says:

    R4 4pm news “London bus attack: 3 teenage boys admit threatening lesbian couple who refused to perform sex act”

    was it a “sex act” ?
    or did the louts scream at them to kiss ?

    Did the news at the time imply the perps were adults ?
    those boys were 15, 16, 17
    The 15-year-old, also from Earl’s Court, today pleaded guilty to a further charge of handling stolen goods, a bank card belonging to Ms Ramirez.
    The 16-year-old, from Wandsworth south west London, also pleaded guilty to handling stolen goods, Ms Hannigan’s Google 2XL smartphone.

    So was the incident a hate crime
    or actually a robbery first ?

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      Given the state of these women in the well-publicised photograph, why were these little cretins only charged with threatening them? Did the prosecution suspect the photograph was embellished, which could have collapsed the case or is there some bizarre legal reason to prevent it?

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  18. StewGreen says:

    Anyone speak the language of the Labour blue ticks ?

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  19. Celtic_Mist says:

    EU Consensus Broken as 225 MEPs Vote Against ‘Climate Emergency’

    “The vote took place on the same day as Tata Steel Europe has confirmed it will cut 3000 European jobs and amid reports that the new EU Commissioner plans to spend a staggering £3 trillion on a unilateral climate agenda.

    https://ecr.network/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=ea91032064a30efd39584251de34f81d236ade7c-1574956586-0-AZ1jQVZbCkkSBYePcLvZqW7CxvLD8YLk-8-8WgOzO0OqxnnqfKvCa0lu_PbkVsqYT5YX0aDcoG8gBHWsZ_AzisqaiG2atELDirAq_zwIRGiU6qolaDlYvNLrnypCKPdTUDuv38Crut1aYVmvbx5amDmY8HJjYn0v91inI2iPGYUcOY34GaendJXw8Un0GoFqT892J-h4Mk_saxkRbcB5loQB8D9IdkXfXhnRdnHIDg47nFI9Jih85DA3-MJ-bKfmCFwQGGtwZ2MlfhTDXkQ6cfk

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  20. StewGreen says:

    Yorkshire Post page 4 yet again invokes St Jo Cox
    saying her sister wants a clean campaign
    They list 2 attacks on Labour activists
    They don’t mention obvious things like The Labour candidate’s mum beating some one up
    and the Candidate herself threatening someone.

    Then page 10 there is an article from Brendan Cox
    Twitter us to clean up dormant accounts
    So he says it’s not fair to clean out his dead wife’s account.
    “It’s a memorial”

    Twitter has put the cleanup on hold

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  21. Celtic_Mist says:

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    • Scroblene says:

      Let’s face it, most normal voters couldn’t give a monkey’s about ‘green’ issues, when really important facts like the fear of Labour’s marxism, stealing from the ordinary tax-payer to pay for crackpot schemes, and a host of factors which concern the majority of decent people show them losing their Britishness because of these fantasies, the last thing on their mind is that that little bitch Gritta Thunderbox should even be given the oxygen of publicity.

      Of course, snowflakes, SJWs, wokers everywhere, piddling about with issues they don’t understand (but so what if they can make some sort of noise, like a touretted kid), will scream and squeal, while the gals and guys who do actually make this country work properly, are getting up at 5:00am to go to work, just spending a moment to peer up at their lazy workshy neighbours’ bedrooms still in darkness.

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  22. Celtic_Mist says:

    ‘Press Gazette has been reporting on British journalism without fear or favour since 1965.

    Today our main focus is news, but we also carry features, interviews, analysis and comment.

    Our mission is to provide a news and information service which helps the UK journalism industry do its crucial work more effectively.

    This means highlighting the best in our industry and also, sometimes, the worst’

    Take your pick of the BBC’s best and worst in their opinion –

    https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/?s=bbc+

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  23. Roland Deschain says:

    I saw this story popping up earlier today and thought it couldn’t be long until the BBC weighed in.

    Shocked and deeply hurt? I don’t think so. I call him a liar, desperately playing the race card in the knowledge there’s plenty media waiting to lap it up. I’d like to think people have wised up to that now.

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  24. Doobster78 says:

    Box well and truly ticked.

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  25. pugnazious says:

    Hmmm…teens brutaly beat two lesbians on London bus….well they admit threatening behaviour…

    ‘Three teenage boys have admitted threatening two women on a bus after they refused to perform a sex act.

    Melania Geymonat, 28, and her girlfriend, Christine Hannigan, were on the upper deck of a double-decker night bus in Camden, north London, when they were confronted by the youths in the early hours of 30 May.

    The teenagers, aged 15, 16 and 17, appeared in court on Thursday after previously denying charges of harassment by using threatening or abusive words or behaviour.’

    But the case isn’t over yet.

    However so far no sign of them admitting or being accused of actual ‘beating’….perhaps that charge may be dropped…looking at the video footage [admittedly limited] in the Mail, not provided by the BBC nor Guardian, it is one of the women who charges forward and attacks two youths…no doubt after some abuse from them…

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7735777/Boys-admit-threatening-28-year-old-woman-girlfriend-horrific-homophobic-bus-attack.html

    No excuse for the abuse, although not necessarily ‘homophobic’, teens on a late night bus are not known for orderly and well mannered behaviour….but it looks like it was the woman who started the actual fighting.

    Which kind of puts a different spin on things…maybe why the BBC has a very, very short report on this latest update…

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-50586498

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    • StewGreen says:

      @Pug see my comment further up the page.
      The 16 year old was charged with theft of the bankcard and phone.
      So was it thuggery that turned into theft.
      Or was it a robbery from the start where intimidating the victims was a plan as a first step to rob them.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        I think it’s a terrible thing that happened to them and those animals should be named and shamed . This thing about the identities of criminal feral ‘children ‘ needs removing .

        Being upstairs on a Night Bus in London is …. Brave .

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    • maxincony says:

      pugnazious,

      Hmmm…teens brutaly beat two lesbians on London bus….well they admit threatening behaviour…

      Strange. When this story was first reported you were most concerned with the skin colour of the perpetrators;

      (June 7, 2019) – “Curiously coy in every report about the identity of the attackers… not a word about race or religion…

      Now, 6 months later, when video footage shows that most (if not all) of them are WHITE, you seem to have lost interest in ‘race or religion’ and instead have decided to indulge in some ‘victim blaming’ and; *you know, it’s just typical teens on a late night bus…*

      (Nov 28, 2019) – “Hmmm… No excuse for the abuse… but…”

      I am, of course, sure that’s just coincidental.

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      • StewGreen says:

        Video the faces are blurred
        .. but the boys are certainly not black
        Interesting that the boys don’t seem to have initiated the violence
        Blue jacket does seem to be close and involved in the “teasing”
        Then the blond woman strides to the back of the bus and startes hitting the black jacket guy
        Meanwhile white jacket steals the bag and is off down the stairs.followed by blue-jacket.
        Then black jacket flees up the bus to the stairs pursued by the blonde and they are having a fistfight as he is on the stairs and she is still up.
        You need to slow the playback
        http://news.met.police.uk/videos/cctv-of-n31-bus-incident-46974

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        • maxincony says:

          StewGreen,

          but the boys are certainly not black

          Well that’s the most, very, most important issue cleared up. Thank goodness.

          Interesting that the boys don’t seem to have initiated the violence

          Good grief, this is pathetic. It’s impossible to know the sequence of events based on a 40 second video clip which has several minutes missing.

          The report mentions that they were hit with coins. Using coins as projectile weapons used to happen in the crowd at football matches – if you’d ever been hit by one, you would know it’s not a bit of harmless ”teasing”.

          Interesting choice of words – “teasing”…

          As to why you’ve decided to chip in with your defence of Alan’s victim blaming, I can only speculate; but now might be a good time to shut up.

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          • G.W.F. says:

            Maxi
            Can’t you ever end a post without an insult? You argue like a Trot in a yoonie Soc Soc.
            PS. How is the fisting going? Does it get less painful with more experience?

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          • StewGreen says:

            Max i there are 2 ways of addressing an argument
            A good debater sticks to the point
            A bullSh*tter, rushes in with bluster and insulting his challengers
            .. and dramaqueening

            That’s BLUSTER rather than argument.

            I stuck to the point of the video
            M made the claim it busted any inference the guys are Muslim
            I made the point that actually the video only allows to say the perps aren’t black.
            They have non-black faces, they could be Eton boys, Muslims, Albanians .. we just don’t know.

            As for me butting in, of course I allowed to speak
            M axi referenced a video
            but didn’t post it, so I posted it and described what was in it.
            I didn’t mention coin throwing cos non is visible in the video
            The girls were sitting right next to the stairs they could have simply gone downstairs ,
            … rushing to the back of the bus to punch the kid is asking for trouble.
            I thought everyone knows that on a night bus it is safer to be downstairs rather than upstairs where thugs can surround you.

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    • tarien says:

      I am of the opinion that had their been a Bus Conductor on the bus as there used to be, such disgusting behaviour would never have happened to these two women . It now does appear that the majority of young people (average 12-18 yrs old) have had no discipline instilled into their lives by their parents, their schools or society in general. I could easily provide an answer but it would certainly contravene the Human Rights Act.

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  26. StewGreen says:

    11 Labour activists are going to a protest against the BBC
    https://www.facebook.com/events/s/boycott-the-bbc-licence-fee-th/593466238062724/

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    • Fedup2 says:

      I think those jokers should read some of the back pages on this site if they really want to see BBC bias – sensitive souls arn’t they ? Presumably lashing out because their hero is being shown to be nothing more than the friend of terrorists and other enemies of our country .

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  27. StewGreen says:

    Hey Channel4 Is insult-chairing impartial ?

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    • Fedup2 says:

      The Conservative Party has made a formal complaint to ofcom regarding C4s refusal to accept Michael Gove as Tory representative – and look at the letter they’ve sent ( see twitter ) they are on pretty solid ground that C4 has breached the law .

      I can’t be bothered watching C4 any more – and their viewing figures are often so low that they can’t be measured . Stick it on the post election privatisation list to pay for all those trees….

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      • StewGreen says:

        For me it’s Channel4gotten
        … not the same channel that had the guts to broadcast the ‘The Great Global Warming Swindle’

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      • smoogie7 says:

        Is this the start of something to come?

        Take action against C4 (which is actually worse than the BBC) and then move onto the BBC later?

        Testing the waters perhaps?

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    • StewGreen says:

      Meanwhile Gove turned up at the studio, to serve as the Tory debater
      But when the other members of the Panel were asked if they would accept Gove,
      Corbyn chickened out.

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      • smoogie7 says:

        I remember when Gove gave Corbyn a nasty thrashing last year. Corbyn is still recovering from his shock performance with Andrew Neil so he would certainly not want anything from Gove

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  28. JimS says:

    Interesting little snippet on Radio 4 Extra yesterday State Makes War, a programme first broadcast in 2015, that 70% of those employed by the State are women.

    Can you imagine the whines of Dame Jenni Murray on Woman’s Hour if the figure had been 49%? “Whyyyy?”

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    • StewGreen says:

      Are you sure about that ?
      Twitter gives me a BBC article from 2015
      “40% of all female workers are employed by the state…”
      Will the cuts change the role of women in Britain?
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/10/will_the_cuts_change_the_role.html

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      • JimS says:

        Listen to the programme. The speakers are professional statisticians, working for government.

        Try reading that Tweet quote again. “40% of all female workers are employed by the state…” If there were a million female workers then 400,000 would work for the state. But that represents 70% of workers for the state, implying that 571,000 people work for the state, i.e. only 171,000 are men.

        The NHS, Education sector, Social Services, BBC and the lower ranks of the Civil Service and Local Government are dominated by females. Only the military employs more men than women.

        Twitter is for Twits, Mark Easton is an idiot.

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        • StewGreen says:

          I am aware that the BBC news item is a different claim to yours
          I merely asked if you are sure you heard correctly.
          Cos an extraordinary claim needs extraordinary evidence.

          BTW “There were 5.36 million employees in the public sector for March 2018,

          The latest by gender breakdown I find is “Public sector employment by gender 2015”
          Public sector employment by gender; Headcount (thousands)
          FULL TIME : Males : 1,722 ….. Females 1,763
          PART TIME : Males : 244 ….. Females 1,874

          So the key difference is in that part time workers, women totally dominate that
          Furthermore since men will dominate higher paying jobs, and work longer hours I expect that of Public sector full time salary pot males will take say 20-30% more
          but of the part time salary pot , even though the 244K men will work more hours and earn a bigger salary on average … those 1,874 women will take a much bigger chunk

          So overall maybe in the public sector women take 60% of the salary pot

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        • Banania says:

          The military what?

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      • Deborah says:

        Stew and Jim. I presume you are both right. 2015 of all the women working 40% are employed by the State and of all the people employed by the State 70% are women. Having been involved in both schools and council offices, think libraries, hospitals with receptionists and nurses, etc etc, I am not surprised at the figure,

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        • StewGreen says:

          Yep also, teaching assistants are care people are both Public Sector jobs
          and almost always female, and often part time.

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  29. pugnazious says:

    Anyone else wonder exactly what it is that Prince Andrew did that was so bad? It seems that his ‘crime’ was to visit Epstein after his conviction and to not show enough empathy with the victims…but no one suggests he committed any crime himself.

    Maitlis’s interview was in essence a fishing expedition…the BBC knows that they win whatever and they will get some sort of headline out of this regardless…it could have been Mother Theresa in the hotseat saying she’d never met Epstein, never hear of him and was appalled by his crimes and the BBC would still find an angle to convict her. The accusation that Prince Andrew didn’t show enough empathy is a pretty desperate line of attack when anything more substantial is thin on the ground to non-existent.

    And let’s face it this is an eight year old story regurgitated and reheated by a BBC more concerned about creating a sensationalist ‘scandal’ than in real news….and remember this is the same BBC that failed, refused, to report the mass abuse, rape and exploitation of hundreds, if not thousands, of young white girls at the hands of Asian gangs.

    Is this C4 report from last week or eight years ago?

    or this from ABC…

    So what’s really new apart from Epstein’s death and a BBC female grandee wanting a bit of glory with an easy ‘win’ and a large dollop of sanctimonious fingerpointing?

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    • StewGreen says:

      @Pug it could be argued that their is a complainant here
      and sex abuse complainants have to be listened to
      even though they might be lying.
      She has made the accusation that she was raped twice by the Prince.
      However this claim has been tested in the US civil courts and was quickly thrown out back in 2015.
      “Her allegations, which Andrew denies, were STRUCK from US civil court records in 2015 after a judge said they were ‘immaterial and impertinent’. “

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    • JamesArthur says:

      Pug
      Bit late I know – but that is exactly what I am asking – yes he made some bad choices but what has he actually done? No crimes unless you are sanctimonious, woke ,left leaning, royal hating, money grabbing, attention seeking (insert as required) ….I just can’t be bothered to listen anymore

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  30. Roland Deschain says:

    I confess I can’t see what the BBC’s problem is. But what I really find incomprehensible is the number of people in the comments who seem seriously to think that the BBC is biased in favour of the Tories.

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    • StewGreen says:

      Surely Political parties use newsclip footage in their PR
      Isn’t that fair use ?

      Interesting that Brexit supporters and anti labour comments
      did well in today’s HYS by about 700 to 300
      and the contrary were easily the most downvoted

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    • Guest Who says:

      In a local context, even in our bucolic idyll, Momentum are primed and ready for anything to protect or promote their girl on social media, especially on social media, now that hustings season is open.

      All candidates are pretty dire, but she is pathetic, capable only of parroting Jez’ attack lines verbatim. So far the cadres have packed community halls and are as vocal as any QT audience.

      Here is the PR agency moaning emole:

      ***
      Tories clash with Channel 4 over ’empty chairing’ PM

      Story detail

      For the Conservatives, it’s a “provocative partisan stunt” by a national broadcaster. To Labour, it’s an example of Boris Johnson “hiding from scrutiny”. But the scene of an ice sculpture of Earth, melting in the spot where the prime minister might have stood during Channel 4’s environment debate between party leaders, has prompted the Tories to complain to regulator Ofcom. The broadcaster also replaced the absent Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage with a sculpture, calling it “a visual metaphor for the… parties after their leaders declined our repeated invitations”. It refused to allow Conservative minister Michael Gove to appear in Mr Johnson’s place at the debate, which we fact-checked.

      In a letter to Ofcom, the party says Channel 4 News’s decision to use a sculpture constitutes “making a political opinion in its own right”, while some Tory sources hinted to news outlets that a Conservative government would review the broadcaster’s public service obligations. Mr Johnson is also yet to commit to an interview with the BBC’s Andrew Neil, who has already grilled Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn and the SNP’s Nicola Sturgeon. Conservative Chief Secretary to the Treasury Rishi Sunak will, however, be among senior figures from seven parties to appear in a BBC One debate hosted by Nick Robinson at 19:00 GMT. Read about what to expect from the debate in our guide.

      In other news, the BBC complains to the Conservatives about a Facebook advert it says distorts footage of news reporters and presenters, something the Tories deny.

      Labour will promise an “investment blitz” in communities across England as its launches its regional manifestos.

      The Conservatives promise to strengthen England’s education watchdog Ofsted, as they attack Labour and Liberal Democrat plans to replace the school inspection system.

      We Reality Check the parties’ spending plans, after the Institute for Fiscal Studies says the Conservative and Labour budgeting was “not credible”.

      See what happened when ex-darts player Bobby George, who supports Boris Johnson, went on a blind date with drag queen Courtney Act, who’s voting Lib Dem in the hope they back Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn to be PM.

      ***
      They needed to fact check that Gove wasn’t there? Where did they check, Antarctica?

      Love the bit about what to expect from Toenails.

      In other news, who do the BBC complain to? GOVCOM? TORYCOM? KARMACOM? Be funny if they had to wait 6 months before some no name director popped a template blow off in an obscure website saying “We think we got it about right wing”.

      And that last para…. do what?

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    • tarien says:

      Oh please let us not have that Hugh Edwards pntificating on Election Night-a thorough bore-where have the likes of Richard Dimbleby or Richard Baker, Raymond Baxter, and such like? We don’t have such professionals anymore sadly.

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  31. StewGreen says:

    KTHopkins on the Muslim guy convicted of the Birmingham Mosque attacks
    https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1200124923341094917

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    • StewGreen says:

      It’s been classed as a minor LOCAL story
      and not tweeted by any official BBC accounts except BBC News England @BBCEngland
      Here a cop pulls the mental health defence.

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  32. StewGreen says:

    comedian mocking XR and the “woke dollar” etc.

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  33. Ed Hitter says:

    After Andrew Neil’s forensic gutting of Corbyn and Sturgeon this week, which exposed the sheer economic illiteracy and downright political falsehoods at the heart of their policies, the BBC has quickly returned to its normal, banal and utterly biased service.
    For two days now the broadcaster has provided the oxygen for Labour to further its disgraceful deception over the “sale” of the NHS.
    It was at it again tonight on Question Time, with the first 25 minutes of the programme being devoted to Labour’s pet subject, totally skewing the election agenda its way.
    But Question Time then went on to sink to an all time low, because when anti semitism in Labour was eventually raised, in the last five minutes or so, it was done so within the context of the supposed equivalence of alleged “racism” in the Tory party.
    The BBC is deliberately tying to make people believe that genuine questions and concerns being raised about a religious faith, in this case Islam, ought to be put in the same bracket as pure out and out racism.
    Egged on by Fiona Bruce, this lopsided discussion became focused almost entirely on allegations about Boris Johnson – yes, it was letterboxgate all over again!
    It was Johnson who was under the cosh for something he once wrote, rather than the vile, co-ordinated anti-Jewish forces at work within Labour.
    The only direct references to Corbyn were about his lack of an apology, with absolutely no debate about him being responsible for the dangerous, unfettered, institutional anti-semitism that is spreading fear among our British Jewish community.
    The entire programme also came and went without any reference to concerns over threats to our national security under this terrorist loving Marxist, or to his bizarre two-faced Brexit shenanigans. One audience member was given a whole minute to rant about him being a really nice guy who was simply being misrepresented by the awful Murdoch press.
    Normal service is resumed. The BBC is back to its biased worst – and enabling the anti Semites to get away with it.

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  34. Not Gwent says:

    State Broadcaster news site ecstasy – a favourite cause with poster girl bio prominently share prime taxpayer funded real estate. The right are depicted as too scared to debate; this is a good morning.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Toady Watch

      Justin Webb is meant to be a senior and experienced bbc journalist . Yet when you listen to his continuous demand to know then another journalist is going to interview BoJo one has to wonder if he is unhinged .

      Does this show that snowflakes like Webb know they are unable to properly hold politicians to account ?

      Implying that Toady is just a shallow daily biased ritual ?

      Implying that the only BBC employee able to do. Proper interview is Andrew Neil ?

      Implying that mr Neil will conduct a campaign changing interview on the level with the excruciating evisceration of Corbyn and Crankie ?

      And as for the News agenda- as I mentioned in the thread preamble political partys of the Right are so concerned about the aggressive bias of C4 – a state broadcaster – that they no longer think they will be fairly treated .

      It will help our case if the election campaign places the likes of C4 and BBC under closer examination and might act as an informal warning to behave themselves across the next 12 days of the campaign as more lies and propaganda are likely to be thrown around .

      The MSM are no longer acting properly in the role of holding politicians to account when they are unable to conceal their personal political beliefs – see Jon Snow, gurumurphi and every beeboid except Brillo .

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      • Guest Who says:

        Nice logic. Maybe it will filter through to the 19,999 market rate talents who are not AN.

        Maybe Webby should stay at Yooni and pick up some new lefty protest tips?

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  35. Sluff says:

    Good morning
    Just casually glancing across the web for climate change stuff and came across some statistics which I’ve never heard quoted before but puts much of Cor-bin’s ‘climate emergency’ stuff in a new light.

    According to long term trend statistics CO2 emissions from the UK are 40% LOWER than it was in 1990.

    Since 2010 our CO2 emissions have reduced by around 20%.
    Globally however, since 2010 CO2 emissions have increased by around 12%.

    Data from before 1990 seems a little harder to find, but one source suggests that the last time we emitted as little CO2 as we do now was……..wait for it……..1890!!!!!!!!!!! (With the one exception being the transient effect of the 1926 general strike)

    In other words beating ourselves up in ‘the cause’ here in the UK in order to ‘show we care’ and to ‘give a lead’ is an utterly pathetic piece of virtue-signalling which will have not the slightest effect.

    I didn’t watch the C4 rubbish but I’ll wager none of the above facts came out.

    Click to access 2018-provisional-emissions-statistics-report.pdf

    https://voxeu.org/article/driving-uks-capita-carbon-dioxide-emissions-below-1860-levels

    Nor do I expect Roger Harrabin to mention them. Though I suspect he knows………

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    • StewGreen says:

      Never forget that most talk of CO2 is BS.
      A strong example of full colour complexity being portrayed as black/white simplicity
      The actual thing is GHGs GREENHOUSE gases, yet the word “CO2” is often used instead, even tho it is only the second component, as water-vapour is the most active part.
      However that is difficult to measure and predict.
      Furthermore methane etc. are secondary GHGs.

      Furthermore CO2 has two sources Natural like trees and ocean, and Man-made like fossil fuel burning.
      Those natural sources are discounted to zero, on the principle that most of it is proportionately drawn out the atmosphere by new growth. That may not be true especially with the ocean.
      On land CO2 natural takeup varies with the seasons.

      So the real concern is the amount of global GHGs, but the PR people reduce that to UK manmade CO2.
      On that basis by burning less coal and more gas which is more efficient, and offshoring factories we have reduced UK CO2.
      However the EU prescribes accountancy trickery
      cos when Drax burns American wood pellets that is real CO2 coming out of the chimneys and much more real CO2 than would be coming out if they were burning coal or gas per MWh generated.
      However that wood burn CO2 is immediately counted as zero , even though today’s new saplings will take 20 years to remove it,
      And that’s if inefficiency is counted as zero.

      In reality we are beating ourselves up and energy costs are twice what they could be.
      but that cost is NOT bringing the huge GHG reduction we think it is .
      Almost all Green politics is not actually environmentalist, it is watermelon, green on the outside but red on the inside ..trying to impose anti-capitalism.

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  36. Fedup2 says:

    Toady watch update

    I talked about Justin webb earlier – now he is having a chat with comrade John McDonnell who claimed that ‘change is with labour ‘ after 10 years of no change with the Tories .

    No challenge to this – no mention of employment levels and no mention of our attempt to get out of the EU .

    Then it’s back to the Andrew Neil interview . Webb is fixated on this . There is the smell of BBC hysteria in the air as they face the prospect of a Tory government with a working brexit majority .

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    • Sluff says:

      Fedup
      Mrs S heard this and was incensed.
      We need new vocabulary.

      Justin does not ‘interview’ The Far Left.
      He welcomes and introduces them. Then he serves up one patsy question and sits back allowing the ‘interviewee’ to say whatever they like, with scarcely an interruption.
      Then at the end he says thank you.

      I think Justremainin serves the function of a sort of dinner party hostess when ‘hosting’ the likes of Mcdonnell.

      Of course with the Tories the approach is rather different.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Sluff
        I think BBC types are scared of Comrade McDonnell – they know he controls the thugs and trolls of Momentum – and is the real head of the Labour Party .

        So he is given free rein and thanked for ‘coming in ‘ .

        There is chance of reform – or hopefully – closure of C4 . It was a project of the 1980s and I’d suggest it is not of the internet age . So when the licence comes up in a couple of years it’s time may be up .

        There is also an opportunity to examine the BBC in preparation for the Charter renewal in the mid twenties .

        Student antics like sticking an ice block where a politician might have sat will cause much smug laughter in the press room but doesn’t do much for the status of so called ‘journalists ‘

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  37. scribblingscribe says:

    Can you imagine the squealing from the soft Left, such as Channel 4 news, had a broadcaster blocked a member of the Labour Party appearing in a political debate?

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  38. JamesArthur says:

    Over the last few days I drop into BBC and every time I seem to hear a Labour promotion…it is too often to be chance…one has to hope the Tories win and take action on the BBC.

       20 likes

    • Not Gwent says:

      A privately owned TV channel can take whatever political stance it likes. If they are in receipt of taxpayer funding then I’d have thought that the spectrum of views reflected should be much broader?

      We can choose whether or not to pay for The Mirror; it’s a different matter with C4 and State Broadcaster.

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      • StewGreen says:

        @NotGwent No, “A privately owned TV channel can take whatever political stance it likes.”
        No, not true for news ..Ofcom rules say that news has to be impartial
        It is true in free markets like America
        and it is true in the print press market.
        And Daily Mirror video is like an ultra Labour TV channel.

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    • Guest Who says:

      My Facebook feed is littered with Labour ads, many using bbc footage that they have not needed to edit. The difference being it is the bbc host featured rather than interviewee.

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  39. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #1 – Choose carefully

    An excellent TftD (Thought for the Day) from Rev Sam Wells for a change. The technical term for what he was talking about (Jesus Christ saying to his disciples: “You did not choose me, I chose you.”) is Divine Election. There is of course, this contradiction (that is too much for some humans but no problem for God) in the concept of Divine choice and other Scriptures which call on all to repent and believe and become part of God’s Kingdom.

    In thinking of today’s TftD, I am reminded of the challenge that Moses gave to the Children of Israel (repeated again and again throughout their history!) “Choose you this day whom you will serve.” The choice is little gods of wood, stone, gold and silver (with feet of clay) or the one true, living God.

    We in the UK will soon be choosing not who we serve but who serves us as a nation as our Monarch’s Prime Minister and Government.

    Choose carefully.

    In spiritual life, the inner life. And in the political life, the life of the nation.

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  40. Nibor says:

    Did I hear aright ? Justin Webb on the Toady show said The Elusive Mr Johnson ?
    Sorry the BBC can’t get enough of him , perhaps if they skew their bias to support the Conservatives instead of Labour they will see more of him .

       8 likes

  41. andyjsnape says:

    I would just like to say how much I hate the bBC!

    thats it 🙂

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  42. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #2 – Oh joy

    Switched on during a gabbling Old McDonnell chat with JustRemainIn Webb. ‘Some people’ complain that Nigel Farage is always on the BBC but I reckon John McDonnell, Wannabe Chancellor of the Exchequer, outdoes NF three or four or more to one for BBC R4 appearances.

    Old McDonnell was on to make excuses for Labour’s economic plans and to try to undo the damage from earlier in the campaign. But there is a hint of disaster to come. He said “We will grow the economy.”

    If you know anything about economics, you know for sure that:
    1. As a Chancellor, you can never, ever, guarantee growth, and,
    2. Prospective Chancellors almost always when stating that really mean that they will inflate the economy (Labour, probably via taxes, mostly indirect) to provide the illusion of growth.

    We have the lesson of Labour Party economics in 1997-2010: 40% inflation. The result?

    Remember 2007-2009.

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  43. Fedup2 says:

    Nibor – yes that casual bias registered with me to. I’m abandoning my ‘rationing ‘ of bbc current affairs output until the 12th of December because it is full scale war now .

    I think CCHQ might like to throw another formal complaint at OFCOM and Mr Webb can collect his P45 and walk to C4 in Hull or wherever they need to be .

    The strategy I have suggested here over the weeks for Tories to limit exposure to the MSM May be in play – the other side is the potential – now being exploited by the left – is that of ridicule .

    All of this does voters no service in making up their minds if they are undecided . Even if bojo goes for a dose of Brillo there will be claims by the Far Left BBC that he was ‘even worse than Corbyn ‘ and a car crash ‘ whether he performs well on not .

    The claim that the interview is being put off until the postal votes are being returned is laughable because we know the Labour Fraud postal vote offices are busily putting crosses in the labour box using varieties of the name ‘mohammed’ ( see Peterborough /tower hamlets )….

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  44. StewGreen says:

    9am LBC Boris the bumbling bottler, is bumbling Ferrari to death.

    The guy is no Thatcher or Farage
    However he did start by addressing Osman’s tweet and said the NHS is definitely not for sale.

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  45. Guest Who says:

    Speaking of bizarre bbc final paras, also from the Moaning emole…

    ***
    Renowned free solo climber falls to his death

    He was known around the world for his ability and daring as a free solo climber, one of that select community that eschews safety gear. But Brad Gobright has died, aged just 31, after plummeting 300m (1,000ft) while simul-rappelling – using ropes to abseil with a fellow climber – in Mexico. Aidan Jacobson’s fall was cushioned by a bush before he hit a ledge, escaping with an injured ankle. “It was basically a blur,” Mr Jacobson, 26, told the Outside website. “He screamed. I screamed. I went through some vegetation, and then all I remember is seeing his blue Gramicci shirt bounce over the edge.”

    ***

    Ok, a story, and a tragic one, which I guess gets ratings. But that final sentence?

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  46. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #3 – Suspicions, suspicious – no questions asked – again!

    Am guessing that the reason why Old McDonnell was talking at 275 words a minute (nearly Spike Milligan speed) was that it prevented JustRemainIn Webb asking questions. OMD (more correctly DOM – Darkly Orchestrated Manoeuvres) from Old MacD raised the spectre of a Financial Transaction Tax, yet again.

    This FTT is one of the beloved ‘Unicorns’ of the Far Left, Hard Left, Ordinary Left, Left and, even, the slightly Left as a money-tree and a means of curbing the excesses of ‘the City’. What is never asked of those proposing such a tax is “How do you prevent it being passed on to customers?”

    The uncomfortable truth is, I don’t see how you can prevent it being passed down to the little old lady, withdrawing her State Pension to get her shopping for the week. Inevitably, we will all end up paying such a tax, many times over. In the meantime, inflated banks’ and financial institutions’ turnovers will lead to higher salaries and bonuses for the City boys and girls on the back of it.

    And inflation.

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    • cromwell says:

      Hi I’ve not been posting here for a while, I’ve been reading all your posts but I have tried to limit my listening and watching of biased crap. I know who I’m voting for so none of their threats that the world will end if we dont vote Labour goes over my head,. I have been watching talking pictures etc much easier on the old blood pressure. Anyway what i wanted to say is that I believe no labour oich is being questioned about the garden tax or that they suggested council tax would have to rise. Why didn’t Andrew Neil or Farrari bring that up? It’s like it’s a conspiracy not to ask too many awkward questions about controversial issues that would effect most of the UK population, it’s the best kept secret around.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Cromwell – the tax gap in labours’ plan must be made up somewhere and wealth taxes seem most obvious .

        The old CGT on all house sales will come along again – as well garden taxes and the ‘reformation ‘ of the Community Charge – leading to home owners paying what the Labour Party say is an little bit more tax’. Their definition of an little bit more ‘ is never described or questioned …..

        For those not aware —— when you sell your home – your primary residence – you aren’t taxed on any profit you get from the sale —- but various politicians have said they’d be looking for a taste … that one often comes up when house prices are rising …..
        As for the garden tax – those unable to pay it would have a ‘charge ‘ put on the title of their home so when it is sold for any reason the state would get a ‘taste’ there too ‘.

        Won’t hear too much from Labour on that …

        .. also – this morning comrade McDonnell said that labour would crack down no tax avoidance and evasion …. so good by ISA and untaxed savings methinks for The Great Socialist Project

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        • cromwell says:

          Yes Fed up I agree with you but if you and I know about these impositions on ordinary households why on earth aren’t these issues being brought up maybe by right leaning newspapers or the very few honest Interviewers and why are not the useless Tory MPs bringing this up and hammering it home on TV and radio again and again.

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  47. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #4 – More suspicions, very highly suspicious – and no questions asked – again!

    Our Fed has picked up on the Old MacD comment about postal votes above. That raised an eyebrow or two in the Snuffy household. I hope if John McDonnell is on again next week, one of the TOADY presenters will pick him up on that: ‘How could postal votes significantly affect the General Election outcome and where?’ is the question they should ask.

    And force an answer on.

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  48. StewGreen says:

    9am Radio Lincolnshire broke the BBC “Lead with Labour ” rule
    They opened with the ‘Conservatives have put in a complaint to Ofcom about C4’s Ice Block stunt’
    But no Tory voices were played , instead after just 20 seconds they were onto story #2 “Labour have accused Boris of avoiding scrutiny re AFNeil interview.
    by 9:00:32s they were playing a John MacDonnell clip for 18s.

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  49. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #5 – ha ha!

    Every now and then something comes along from the Climate Alarmists that completely undermines their own cause, whether it is the not so subtle switch back and forth between Global Warming and Climate Change and Climate Emergency or the readings from thermometers or very cold weather piling up the snow and ice.

    Today, it is e-mails. No, not that old UEA scandal.

    Today we are told that sending an e-mail is heating up the planet to boiling point. Those of us who are real scientists, ie. we have GCE ‘O’ levels in science from the 1960s or before, knew years (decades!) ago that the Interwebby creates vast amounts of heat and uses lots of electricity and other means to keep its servers cool and operating smoothly. Whenever we mentioned that fact, we were told “No, it is people in cars, it is driving that causes it.” Then, if raised again, it was “No, it is flying that causes Global Warming and Climate Change.” Then that all changed to “It is poorly insulated homes that causes Global Warming.”

    It is only today that the Climate Alarmists have woken up to that fact that the Internet is hot, pronounced HOT.

    Oh dear, how sad, never mind.

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  50. StewGreen says:

    St Greta blessed again

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