404 Responses to Midweek Thread 20 November 2019

  1. Thoughtful says:

    Just in case anyone was in any doubt of the far left credentials of the cowardly useless incompetent Tories and their clueless leader Boris the Bottler.


    Today these anal passages, have annouced that all the terrorists which they stripped of citizenship are going to be allowed back into Britain.

    Of course that isn’t the words they use, they say they are bringing back the children, but anyone who knows anything knows the ‘uman rights act says they cannot seperate a family, particularly mother & child.

    If this gets out it will badly affect the Commieserveyourselves election chances, and I hope that readers here will not be even considering a vote for this disgrace of a party.


    • Roland Deschain says:

      So when I have a choice of Labour, Green, LibDem, SNP or Tory who do you suggest I vote for?


      • Old Goat says:

        Just forget there’s an election.


      • Fedup2 says:

        Roland – I’m afraid old thoughtful just goes on and on here about the ‘ cowardly useless incompetent Tories ‘ Tories like a broken record .
        He/ she isn’t that thoughtful otherwise might come up with something ….. different . Sometimes it’s the price I pay for trawling through posts ….
        But surely. The Conservatives ain’t the best we could ask for but with the current system it’s the best of a bad job . I’d like proper right wing government which would privatise just about everything but that’s not likely to happen in current circumstances .


        • Up2snuff says:

          Fed, I’m worried that Bojo is a bungling oaf. Dominic Cummings likewise. There has been good evidence of that in the last sixty days, especially this week. And that possibly they have been ‘got at’ in some way and are no longer keen, enthusiastic, committed Brexiteers. In fact, possibly no longer Brexiteers at all.

          In addition, Nigel Farage appears to have gone all UKIPpy on the nation having shot his mouth off. He now realises he’s destroyed The Brexit Party’s chances of winning any seats at all.

          I wish it were not so.

          That is how it seems at present.


    • G says:

      Ah, the ‘Children’? Our past knowledge of what, constitutes Home Office’s ‘Children’ is still a fond memory from 2016.
      I hope the Home Office has purchased enough shaving kits………….


  2. pugnazious says:

    Ah the lies…

    Interesting that it takes normal everyday people to tackle Labour’s lies whilst the BBC covers them up…..so is Labour going to raise tax on those who earn £80,000 and more? No says Labour on QT as the BBC shows us…


    The guy is actually in the 5%…anyone over £75,000 is, however he is absolutely right that he is being targeted with tax rises….which should worry a lot of people as they will be squeezed hard by Labour to fund their huge spending spree. £80,000 is a good wedge but hardly eye-wateringly wealthy, elitist or extreme…the result you might think of hard work and entrepreneurial ability in a businessman or woman…to be applauded and encouraged not punished and abused. Hard earned unlike the hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, that our pubic broadcaster pays its entitled staff in so many cases.

    Burgon denies the claim, however read their manifesto costings and you’ll find that’s actually a yes…

    Click to access Funding-Real-Change.pdf

    Additional revenue raising measures
    ‘Income Tax: Additional Rate payable from £80,000 ‘

    The BBC could have shown us a whole load of clips attacking Labour’s ruinous economic plans..but didn’t….so here’s Guido’s own mash up…

    And again odd that it’s left to others to tackle Labour…when Grime artists put out videos and other social media pro-Labour content the BBC loved it and promoted it..this not so much….have you heard the BBC discuss this?


    • Demon says:

      Unbelievable. Maureen Lipman was always pushing the Labour cause. I thought she was wavering a bit back, but now she’s all-out against them. Wow.


  3. Ian Rushlow says:

    Full-on Russophobia on the BBC website this morning: the perfect synergy between the needs of the Foreign Office and their own in-house Trump Derangement Syndrome. The front page is currently leading with a report of President Putin meeting the widows of engineers and scientists killed whilst testing a deadly new weapon. Just to make sure you get the message, it is described as a “vengeance” weapon, to make a sub-conscious link to the V1 and V2 weapons of the Nazis. The story was reported on RT yesterday, where it didn’t even receive top billing.

    Underneath that is a story entitled ‘Russians under threat over gay Q&A video’. It is about a criminal investigation resulting from a violation of a law designed to prevent the teaching of ‘non-traditional relationships’ to children. The BBC and other MSM outlets refer to this as Putin’s ‘anti-gay’ law; in fact, homosexuality is not mentioned in the legislation. Russia is a socially conservative country where the overwhelming majority of people do not approve of homosexuality, although it is perfectly legal. It is hardly the case that the average Russian feels ‘under threat’ by this.

    The reason for these stories are the current impeachment proceedings in the USA regarding Ukraine. These derive from the liberal conspiracy theory that the Russians influenced the election of President Trump and the implication that he played an improper role in dealings with Ukraine. Russia has substantial disagreements with Ukraine, Trump is acting against Ukraine, ergo Orange Man Bad. These proceedings are likely to fizzle out, much to the relief of anyone with a surname of Biden.

    However, it is important that you get the message that Russia Is Evil. I mean, the government has decided not to publish the report of Russian interference (sic) into the European Referendum until after the General Election and even, er, Hillary Clinton has spoken out against this. And Boris Johnson… Boris is a Russian name isn’t it, what more proof could you want?


  4. StewGreen says:

    @Digg I checked about the 2 Tower Hamlets cases you mentioned 24 hours ago
    The BBC (The Jeremy Corbyn Appreciation Society) have still not mentioned the two

    – Tower Hamlets councillor Muhammad Harun jailing for housing fraud
    “Harun is the third Tower Hamlets councillor in seven years to be convicted of housing fraud.”

    – and a new story about Labour candidate Apsana Begum, jumping to the top of the council housing list even though she is childless.
    “Momentum member Ms Begum is seen as a shoo-in as MP for Poplar and Limehouse, which had a 27,700 Labour majority in 2017.
    But the councillor’s daughter has been dogged by controversy because of her links to former mayor of Tower Hamlets Lutfur Rahman, who was banned for vote-rigging.”


  5. StewGreen says:

    @JohnInCheshire re Soubry case : A remarkable coincidence
    re Based Amy that we discussed back on page 2
    It’s not a big case so why did they use the Chief magistrate in London ?
    The magistrate was Judge Emma Arbuthnot, or formally as The Baroness Arbuthnot of Edrom)
    Since she is Chief magistrate it is not unusual for her to be involved in a case like Assange’s
    But the case of a protester disrupting a former Tory MP is different.
    … Now what does the magistrates husband do ?
    .. By sheer coincidence Lord James Arbuthnot is a Conservative peer and was a Tory MP for 15 years including being defence minister.
    So Soubry was a colleguae of him. She even recently tweeted respect for him.
    The case is further complicated by Amy after being charged choosing to stand for election against Soubry.

    Sure try a disruptive protester, but how can it be OK for the judge to be connected to the complainant by way of the judge’s husband being a recent POLITICAL colleague of the complainant ?


  6. andyjsnape says:

    Quite news day:-

    OUTRAGE in Pakistan after feminism panel includes no women

    Yes outrage.
    I ran out of toilet paper, i wonder if the bBC will do a report on that


    • Beltane says:

      Dear andyjjsnape
      The juxtaposition of references to Pakistan and toilet paper could be construed as a hate crime. Please take care.


  7. Dystopian says:

    I’ve been listening to Mike Graham on Talk Radio. He talks a lot of sense. They broadcasted Nigel Farage outlining his Brexit Party policies earlier.
    Did our trusted state broadcaster also broadcast this?
    I doubt it because Nigel says he will abolish the TV tax.
    He will abolish the House of Lords.
    He will stop sending vast amounts of foreign aid abroad.
    He will stop sending money to the EU.

    What’s not to like?
    They will have my vote.


  8. StewGreen says:

    Re The video of a Brexit leafleteer being pushed out of Morrisons
    I see Morrison’s replied to Katie Hopkins
    Customers in our store complained about the man in the video because he was forcing leaflets onto them.
    Electioneering doesn’t take place in our stores. He was asked to leave the store but wouldn’t.
    The security guard, who is from a security company over-reacted and we are dealing with this – Georgina 2/2

    .. That does seem fair enough … thread


  9. StewGreen says:

    Yesterday a Radio4 prog left the tape deck unplugged and they din’t notice for ages.


  10. StewGreen says:

    “A Labour government would put an £11bn windfall tax on oil and gas companies to create a ‘Just Transition Fund’
    .. transitioning the UK energy industry from oil …. to snake oil

    Intermittent gimmicks like wind/solar are Mickey Mouse subsidy holes
    not proper on demand energy
    Unicorns don’t pay the extra costs, granny has to.


  11. G says:

    Dr Steve Turley does his homework and I believe he and his stats can be trusted. The only downside, as I see it, is that he is a tad over optimistic in delivery.
    Anyway, this video concerns the downfall of the US Democrats as a result of their impeachment proceedings against the POTUS. However, Steve discloses that YouTube has removed his recent video which concerned the connection between Soros and the Impeachment proceedings while, Facebook describes his ‘news’ as being, “Fake”. Utterly laughable and is further evidence that the likes of YT and Facebook are in the pocket of Soros. I don’t know whether Steve has posted the Soros/Impeachment video on BitChute.
    Anyway, enjoy:


    • Old Goat says:

      I watch most of Turley’s videos, and they are generally uplifting, but as you say, a little optimistic.

      I watch the Duran’s videos, too, and find them more realistic, and also those of Stefan, the Swede. I like him.


  12. StewGreen says:

    Ah I get it, a word has dropped off the front of aBBC buildings
    The sign is supposed to say
    ” * anti-British Broadcasting Corporation”


  13. StewGreen says:

    IMPARTIAL aBBCRadio4 just tweeted another Green propaganda tweet


    • StewGreen says:

      12:40pm R4 You and Yours, presenter PeterWhite of a consumer show, was surprised at the expert @SIGWATCH saying 50% of the palm oil imported into EU is used in petrol/diesel
      Doh !
      E 5% & E10 is an old EU law brought in under pressure from Greenpeace etc.


  14. digg says:

    What piece of intellect is missing in the minds of some left-wing journalists?

    Polly Toynbee of the Guardian going into raptures over Labours wonderful manifesto as if it heralds the promise of a bountiful, exciting new future for all right-thinking citizens.


    It is patently obvious to me that the manifesto is either a direct route to a Marxist Government controlled state or a return to the total financial devastation of the 60’s and 70’s.

    Listen Polly…. the man is a dreamer and he will say anything to get his hands on power and if he does he will have to be dragged kicking and screaming away from it along with his henchmen.

    I am sure that when Adolph ranted about the brave new World he would create for Germans he got the same deluded adoring fans.


    • Beltane says:

      The very last thing dear old Pol would want from you is to listen, Digg. All Guardian columnists wear ear-plugs while writing, just in case they might overhear any commonsense to disrupt their la-la-land diatribes.


  15. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    I thought the point of having two people onscreen to discuss a topic was to have one for and one against.
    That way both sides are represented.

    On sky news, the Sarah hewson show (or is it Sarah mee or is it Kay burley, so many wimmin) they have two guests (both wimmin of course) talking about the Brexit Party ‘contract/manifesto’ and they both agree with each other (agree it’s bad of course)

    So, nothing new, no surprises.


  16. Guest Who says:

    A bbc Classic,

    Either await contact from, or invite on, someone who will deliver the required bbc sound bite, allow them to so deliver, and then use that “quote” across social media.


    • StewGreen says:

      ““I have students who can’t even afford a winter coat”
      How much a coat cost in the UK these days ?
      Do I need to post a pic of the £1 rail outside the charity shop ?
      ” I have got families choosing between heating and eating”
      Do you mean
      “I have got families choosing between heating and eating,
      .. who also have a giant pet dog, SkyTV and a car ” ?

      I give the fruit/veg away at the end of the market
      Almost never does a poor person come and ask me, before I take it around the pensioners.
      There has been one person, who came occasionally, who I don’t know the finances of, I don’t ask she is welcome to the stuff I give her.
      One local volunteer at the foodbank gave up, cos the punters would only accept top brands.


    • StewGreen says:

      11,400 likes for this tweet
      that I cannot tell if it is parody or not


      • StewGreen says:

        “children eating whatever biscuits are *on offer* for £1 in Tescos.”
        .. She hasn’t got a clue what biscuits cost in Tescos
        .. Own brand are about 29p
        People don’t have to wait for special offers


  17. Jeff says:

    For those of us who haven’t yet made up our minds about the election, who find they can’t trust Boris, are terrified of Corbyn and bemused by the Greens, both The Brexit Party and The Lib Dems have published their manifestos.
    In a nutshell…
    Top of the Brexit Party list is to bring us a full Brexit, red in tooth and claw. No messing about…OUT!
    Number two is to restrict immigration to about 50,000 per year.
    They also pledge to abolish The House of Lords and halve international aid.
    So far so good…
    The Lib Dems want to stop Brexit at all costs. Completely ignore the referendum and the democratic wishes of the people of these islands.Number two is to legalise cannabis. They also fancy giving free child care for all, although their funding is a bit shaky and they’re also desperate to introduce the absolutely essential transgender bogs.

    I tell you, I’m wavering……


    • Fedup2 says:

      If you are a Brexiter – please look at your constituency and vote for the candidate who will get power and deliver brexit – in whatever form it now manifests itself .

      As for the brexit party – there is no manifesto – that was the point of what Mr Farage was saying . All manifestos are lies – as evidenced by the most recent nonsense.

      On my read – the more conservative MP s the more right wing policies there will be – which I’m sure will include reform or destruction of the state broadcaster …


      • Jeff says:

        Absolutely. My MP is the committed Brexiteer, Crispin Blunt, so I’ve got no problems on that front.
        However, they’re not going to touch the undemocratic and parasitic House of Lords and they’ll do nothing about foreign aid. They think lobbing billions in aid to corrupt regimes makes them look good. It’s virtue signalling with old age pensioners heating allowances.
        And I’m afraid that I don’t hold out much hope of the Tories attempting to either destroy or muzzle our beloved Beeb. They have neither the guts nor the inclination.
        But time shall tell…


  18. Lucy Pevensey says:

    The fightback begins here


    • StewGreen says:

      BTW an antifa was killed by an SUV 2 months ago in Portland
      but it appeared to be an antifa against antifa thing cos they covered it up
      Amazingly weird. 23-year-old Sean Kealiher, a.k.a. “Armeanio Lewis”, antifa & known for harrassing reporters, gets killed by a car. The car was found later, crashed & shot at.
      Yet the Antifa are busily impeding any Portland police investigation by asking people to stay quiet


  19. StewGreen says:

    Smollet paid a fine and did community service
    so who would give him PR for his case claiming he’s not being convicted and so the Chicago Police thing was defamation ?


  20. Guest Who says:

    So… a member of BBC staff went off on a jaunt and found some people intoning the Labour manifesto slogan.

    Which she then quoted.

    As yer do.


  21. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Watching politics live I must say I enjoyed watching that uptight, far left, gurning, virtue signalling girl whose face was priceless when Douglas Murray mentioned “the trans thing”
    *Guest Who pictures her a few comments above.

    An excellent example of a face ‘like a slapped arse’

    The thing is she is a teacher and no doubt she is spreading her poison amongst young minds, contaminating them with far left rubbish.

    I would have liked to hear what Ben Habib (TBP) had to say but he was interrupted so much by Joe Corbyn it was difficult to hear him. No change there then.


  22. Guest Who says:

    Not BBC, but she so could be the next Rog. And, it is.



    • Deborah says:

      She is obviously wasting some of the world’s resources having things done to her eyebrows – are they makeup or tattooed? Either way unnecessary and makes her look as though she has two caterpillars crawling across her brow. Not sure those red eyes aren’t due to makeup – if they are then the eye shadow just has to go – she has a world to save.


  23. taffman says:

    She looks as if she could do with a big bacon butty to cheer her up .


  24. Thoughtful says:

    Brexit party have said the TV tax is an anchronism and needs phasing out and scrapping.

    They are using the issue of streaming and subscription services rather than the bias which is more difficult for the BBC, and leftist parties like the Tories to attack.

    Roll on the day!


  25. pugnazious says:

    LOL…the BBC’s Reality Check [I’m starting to think that actually means a check on reality, the BBC putting reality on hold for the duration of the election…and Brexit] has leapt into action…no not rendering Corbyn’s Marxist manifesto into digestible and understandable chunks for us but instead targeting a QT audience member who dares to be critical of Labour’s policy…..his main complaint that in earning £80,000 he will be taxed hard to fund Jeremy’s spending spree…paying for all those votes Corbyn hopes to buy with everyone else’s money…what did Thatcher say?…

    ”The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money.”

    Labour’s Richard Burgon stated that anyone earning £80,000 will not be taxed more to fund Corbyn’s spending…but that’s not true…as Labour’s funding statement makes clear…

    Additional revenue raising measures
    ‘Income Tax: Additional Rate payable from £80,000’

    Anyway…here’s a dose of BBC reality for that uneducated critic…the BBC not actually tackling his major issue but spending a huge amount of time in trying to dismiss his claim that he is not in the 5%…which as I’ve already shown in a previous comment he is…anyone over £75k is. Here’s the BBC’s extraordinarily long and detailed attempt to shoot down the man whilst completely missing his real point about having to pay tax….

    General election 2019: Does £80,000 put you in the top 5% of earners?

    ‘A member of the audience on last night’s Question Time on BBC One criticised Labour’s policy of raising income taxes for people earning over £80,000 on the grounds that it wouldn’t be enough to put them in the top 5% of earners…..But the figures from HMRC exclude people earning too little to pay income tax, which means that the audience member would have been well into the top 5% of all earners.’

    So….why does the BBC put out a lengthy, detailed and pro-Labour ‘reality check’ that doesn’t deal with the relevant question…that a Labour shadow minister states a bare-faced lie on national TV? Why instead do they try to shoot down a critic of Labour policy by making a huge song and dance about a trivial and irrelevant point?

    Some might say that the BBC was covering for Labour.


  26. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Just seen on tv (ref. TBP and postal vote fraud) that the number of cases/prosecutions is low and therefore it’s insignificant and not worth bothering about.
    Numbers of cases in the low hundreds so no problem.
    A mountain out of a woodpile.

    I suppose you could say the same for FGM.
    No (or is it one) prosecutions so therefore it doesn’t exist.

    It would have been nice to have someone on to put the BP side of the case to the viewers but of course we only got the lefty side of it.


    • taffman says:

      just read The Brexit Part Contract and it has every thing anyone posting on this site could wish for . Of course, that’s with exception to maxincony, our resident troll who posts here on behalf of Al Beeb.


  27. taffman says:

    \\General election 2019: Brexit Party pledges ‘political revolution’//
    HYS comments could be going better for The Brexit Party ?
    Strange when The Brexit Party are the biggest party in the EU .
    Question is Al Beeb tinkering with their HYS facility ?


  28. Guest Who says:

    See, the BBc does not just invite certain folk in to get the perfect “quote” for a BBC social media sound bite…

    BBC News

    “And if you think a woman can’t beat Donald Trump, Nancy Pelosi does it every single day.”
    Senator Klobuchar says women are held to a higher standard when running for president but she’s ready for the fight.

    …they get Jon Sopel to sit on twitter all day and then cut and paste one for them.


  29. Sluff says:

    The biased BBC run a vox pop.
    Location – Norwich
    Subject- Poverty
    So, yet another nice left wing friendly topic.
    But it gets better.
    Which ‘random’ people do they choose to feature?

    Why, a pregnant woman with six children already……and a single mother of three children.
    What are the chances of that?

    Seems to me that much poverty is entirely preventable by crossing your legs. Which would also be good for climate change issues !!!!!!

    But of course on the BBC , this just cannot be mentioned.
    Biased and pathetic at the same time.


  30. Sluff says:

    Deep joy!
    BBC London are featuring a campaign to get more Muslims to register to vote. Yes. Featuring.
    A mosque is featured and there is a vox pop, featuring two people who can barely speak English.

    The BBC at its impartial best.


  31. Sluff says:

    Watched the first 5 minutes of the BBC leaders debate.
    First up. Corbyn. Enthusiastic applause from the audience.
    Enthusiastic applause to all his answers.
    Some audience members do put up challenging points.
    The applause is very muted.
    Utterly appalling biased audience claimed by the BBC as usual as carefully selected.
    On that the BBC is quite right. But not with the meaning most people would have in mind.


    • Beltane says:

      The obvious fact that the program comes from Kew, not Sheffield, is clear from the number of plants in the audience.
      Sorry Fedup, didn’t scroll down. You beat me to it by 2 mins!


  32. Fedup2 says:

    I turned it off . Just couldn’t take that much set up bias .there were more lefty plants in that audience than Kew Gardens . Also – why have a question time when the conservatives haven’t issued their manifesto ( lies or not ).

    Also BoJo has pulled out of some c4 question time thing on Sunday night and they are threatening to ‘empty chair ‘ him .

    Now I recall the head of channel four news – the usual metro snowflake with a good bank balance – bad mouth bojo and call him a liar a few months ago. I can see good value in boycotting C4 – and the BBC – if I were to Tory HQ .


  33. Idiotboy says:

    This QT special audience was clearly recruited directly from a Labour party membership list. There is no way on earth it is representative of the population as a whole. I need to go out before Boris comes on and I get angry with the continuous attacks he has to endure from our national agit-prop outfit.


  34. Sluff says:

    QT continued.
    Wee Krankie announces she will never prop up a Tory government.
    Enthusiastic applause.
    Then she announces the lies of the Brexit campaign, including the claims made on the side of a bus.
    Enthusiastic applause.
    How the hell does OFCOM allow this level of deliberate stage-managed bias.


  35. Fedup2 says:

    I think all the decent people are watching Coronation Street..


  36. Sluff says:

    QT update.
    Jo Swinson is now on and learning the hard way about the institutional pro Labour bias of the BBC.
    The pro Corbyn audience is giving her a tough time.
    In a way it’s good to see the Illiberal Undemocrats getting what’s due to them.
    But then she mentions Labour Party anti-semitism to absolute silence from the ‘impartial’ audience.
    So in terms of BBC impartiality, she’s seeing it for real.


  37. taffman says:

    “General election 2019: Blair claims that Brexit ‘nightmare’ may not end”
    His reappearance will bring a few more votes for The Brexit Party.


  38. theisland says:

    Dumb HR non-job Band 8B £52K-£60K
    (Band values determined by HR no doubt)


    Let’s chuck more and more money at the NHS.


    • G.W.F. says:

      Yes, chuck ’em a few million more

      NHS ‘wasting’ money by employing equality and diversity staff …
      https://www.hrreview.co.uk › hr-news › diversity-news › nhs-wasting-money…
      10 Apr 2014 – Their key findings were: The NHS employed at least 826 public relations staff at an estimated cost of £34 million. It employed at least 165 equality and diversity staff at a cost of more than £6.8 million. It also employed at least 86 ‘green’ staff costing around £3.5 million.


  39. Beltane says:

    Boris has been on for 9 minutes, Fiona has interrupted six times. Unlike any other speaker, he was booed on arrival, the audience is so biased it’s an embarrassment – though evidently not to the BBC, they must be pissing themselves with pride – he’s huffing already and making a party political of the circus. He’s actually making Corbyn look like a statesman.
    One way and another, I do not see this ending well.


    • Sluff says:

      The whole thing is just a pro Corbyn setup, as evidenced by the often closely worded ‘questions’ i.e socialist polemic, from one audience member after another.

      And, given that the audience was ‘representative’, I never realised before that the country is in fact totally comprised of students, NHS workers, and people on benefits, and no-one at all works successfully in private sector manufacturing and service jobs.


  40. Fedup2 says:

    This is not strictly about the BBC but Labour claims to be financing all its money tree operations by taxing the top 5 per wealthy people in Blighty .

    Now if I was in the top 5 per cent being ripped a new one by comrade McDonnell I’d up sticks and find a better country ( not that difficult ) .

    So what happens then ? Does labour just tax the next 5 per cent ?

    I don’t get it . It’s enough to send one down the Asset of community value -or pub – as it is described in the Labour Party manifesto .


  41. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #3 retrospective

    The BBC’s Economics Editor surprised me by turning up for work today. He makes Laura Part-time Kuenssberg and some others at the BBC appear to be ‘nose-to-the-grindstone’ workaholics.

    The days of Steffie and Pesto, blogging and appearing on TV & radio five days a week, are long gone.


  42. Up2snuff says:

    Any Questions Watch – #1

    I steeled myself for it and listened. All the way through. The ‘stacked audience’ was rather noticeable for the south-west of England.


  43. pugnazious says:

    Sorry kids….Santa’s not real…..


    Maybe they should try this coke ad…careful what you wish for….


  44. Sluff says:

    On QT one of the many pro Corbyn plants asserts that Doctors having been trained at great expense, then leave to get well-paid and easier, lighter workload jobs in Australia, New Zealand, and Canada.

    Correct me if I’m wrong but these countries do not operate NHS health models but more pluralistic public/ private sector arrangements including private clinics with more innovative service delivery, and compulsory insurance to pay for it.
    Perish the thought that our finest NHS workers actually prefer a different, better, health model than the NHS.

    A point needless to say not picked up by Fiona…….


  45. Up2snuff says:

    Any Questions Watch – #2

    It appears that all the opposition parties see the Prime Minister as the election winner. As in the Question Time special that others refer to above, Boris Johnson was the target of barbed comments from Panel members (other than the Conservative’s Mark Harper) and loud applause from the audience.

    Bojo has got them all scared.

    And, with a little help from Nigel Farage, me worried.


  46. pugnazious says:

    Not listened to QT but there seems to be completely different takes on what happened.
    The BBC’s Iain Martin [who previously whitewashed Corbyn’s manifesto] thinks Corbyn did well and received a warm and welcoming reception [page 4]…


    The Mail thinks otherwise….calling it ‘brutal’ and ‘devastating’…..

    Jeremy Corbyn is BOOED on Question Time as he admits for the first time he will NEVER reveal whether he backs Brexit – after audience hammers him over ‘terrifying’ hard-Left manifesto and condemn the vile anti-Semitism in Labour Party

    ‘Jeremy Corbyn faced a brutal onslaught from the audience on Question Time tonight as he desperately struggled to convince voters he is fit to be PM.

    The Labour leader looked shocked as he was booed on the flagship BBC show when he tried to explain his party’s convoluted position on Brexit.

    For the first time Mr Corbyn made clear the public will never know whether he personally wants to Leave or Remain – admitting he intends to stay ‘neutral’ in a second referendum rather than backing the new package he wants to negotiate with the EU.

    In his own grilling on the same programme later, Boris Johnson expressed incredulity that Labour was ‘indifferent’ on the biggest decision facing the country.

    During a devastating 30-minute mauling, Mr Corbyn reeled as he was confronted by more voters over ‘misogynism’ and anti-Semitism in the Labour Party. One man told him that he was not the ‘nice old grandpa’ he seemed.

    ‘Why do female MPs need bodyguards at party conference?’ they said.

    The veteran was also asked whether business should be ‘frightened’ of a left-wing government, as a member of the audience said: ‘Your reckless socialist ideas are genuinely terrifying for me and my family.’

    He was challenged over whether he would bow to Nicola Sturgeon’s demand for another Scottish independence referendum – which she has warned would be a red line for propping him up in power if there is a hung Parliament.

    He eventually muttered that a new ballot should not take place ‘in the early part of the new Parliament’, but made clear it would happen.

    He also floundered as he defended the party’s pledge to nationalise chunks of BT and offer free broadband to everyone in the country – which experts say would cost £100billion.

    He initially claimed that South Korea had a similar system and everyone received free broadband, before admitting that many people there still paid for the service.’

    The Telegraph….

    Jeremy Corbyn branded ‘reckless socialist’ as election debate audience groans over Labour’s Brexit ambiguity

    ‘Jeremy Corbyn was branded a “reckless socialist” whose policies are “genuinely terrifying” in a bruising encounter with a live television audience.

    The Labour leader was repeatedly attacked over his hard-Left agenda and his failure to stamp out anti-Semitism in his party, with one man branding his handling of the issue as “disgraceful”. ‘


  47. Up2snuff says:

    Any Questions Watch – #3

    It has been apparent in early AQs under Chris Mason’s Chairmanship that he was a keen listener to the programme in Dimbleby Days. He follows Jonathan’s method of questioning some Panel members – despite the fact that it is meant to be the audience’s AQs. Then he jumps in quick at the end of some Panel member’s replies – thereby stifling or limiting the applause that they might receive. He also does the opposite for some Panel members, leaving a pause into which the audience ‘plants’ can rattle their leaves together.

    Plus ça change …..


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  49. G.W.F. says:

    I have seen the BBC’s write up of the QT debate. Very biased against Boris. They brought up the letter box story which has been milked to death. Were it not for laws upheld by the very Government that Boris is leading I would go much further than describing them as letterboxes, but I fear a visit from the police in this land of progressive Tories, so tough Boris. Take it, grovel to the perfect religion with a rational dress code. .