Start the Week Open Thread 18 November 2019

Week two of the the biased Far left BBC campaign to get their Labour Party elected . More coverage of Tories being barracked, socialists being given an easy ride and stories of the constantly growing labour money tree. But there won’t be much by way of election fraud . Enjoy .

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278 Responses to Start the Week Open Thread 18 November 2019

  1. taffman says:

    Global Warming Warning
    All ‘Greeney’ Snowflakes beware, its going to get V. Cold this evening.
    Turn up your central heating !
    Over to you Al Beeb ……………………

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    • Up2snuff says:

      taffman, Tuesday morning … first frost of the winter in this bit of the south-east UK. It has been very cold and miserable for about six weeks but it has been cloudy and wet, keeping the frosts away.

      Last night it was possible to lie in bed and look at a dark blue sky full of stars. Beautiful. This morning clear sky sunrise on a frosty garden. Beautiful again.

      🙂

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  2. StewGreen says:

    From BBC version of Reality
    “Renewable energy: Rise in global WIND SPEED to boost green power
    By Matt McGrath Environment correspondent”

    Utterly speculative drivel .. another puff piece for “green” energy
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50464551

    “Geologist blasts society’s links with oil firms
    By Roger Harrabin BBC environment analyst”
    “Oil and gas firms have got one of the world’s leading scientific societies in their pockets, a top geologist says. (That’s ONE person)
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50467317
    Prof Bill McGuire is furious at the links between major fossil fuel companies and the Geological Society.
    After more than 40 years as a member, he’s resigned from the society – saying it’s madness to take cash from firms causing a climate emergency.”

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    • pugnazious says:

      You have to ask what effect do all these wind turbines have on wind speed and patterns…there must be some sort of interference…thus also changes to weather….climate….also with solar power….as we use more and more solar we take more heat out of the system and convert it to other energy….as we do this ever more will this have an effect on climate?

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      • JimS says:

        Clearly the solar energy exported by my solar panels as electricity isn’t available to warm up my loft, (perhaps a good thing?).

        If ‘climate change’ is happening and will cause unpredictable changes to the weather it does seem rather daft to rely on solar and wind power when it is possible that we might have cloudier skies and lower wind speeds in the future. (The output from my solar panels drops to 10% of the maximum when a cloud appears).

        Building new infrastructure/houses in places like London makes no sense either if one really believes that sea levels are rising. (Why are we wasting money on refurbishing the Houses of Parliament when St. Greta has convinced the occupants that they will drown?)

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      • The Sage says:

        As is usually the case, the coldest winter mornings are accompanied by little or no wind.
        So today when I checked, wind was contributing just 7.11% of our total energy needs and after billions had been spent building ugly turbines. In fact, coal was contributing more than wind.
        Wind may be “clean” but it’s totally unreliable and as any becalmed sailor will testify.

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        • Dave S says:

          It is absolutely the case. In our latitudes real cold means little or no wind . Add to that short possible sunlight hours and the result is obvious. Either we freeze or we use other means of generating power.
          It is evidence of the unreality pervading the public domain to try to present the opposite as true.

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  3. StewGreen says:

    From Actual Reality
    Right now fossil fuels are providing 60.6%of our electricity,
    .. and renewables (mostly wind, since solar is producing zero after dark) are providing 10.2%,
    just 3% more than we are receiving via the interconnectors:
    The Good Thing ..electricity from Fossial Fuels costs your electric provider less than half of what it pays for solar/wind
    http://grid.iamkate.com/

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  4. Celtic_Mist says:

    The headline here is probably about the Panorama program.

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    • Beltane says:

      So the spirit of Phil Shiner lives on, now given the accolade of Met ‘detectives’ who, naturally, are the absolute dogs at knowing when an Iraqi or Afgan is lying.
      ‘Taqqiya’? What’s that mate, some sort of kebab?

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  5. Guest Who says:

    BBC News

    “The boys were killed for no reason. They were innocent.”

    The UK government and armed forces have been accused of covering up the killing of civilians by British troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    An investigation by BBC Panorama and the Sunday Times has spoken to 11 British detectives who said they found credible evidence of war crimes.

    bbc.in/35aYb9q

    ***

    The structure of this is very BBC, but displeases me for its blatant attempt to turn accusation into headline fact via no more than “quote”.

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    • The Sage says:

      Yes, where is Phil Shiner now?
      The BBC lapped up his false claims (before he was struck off, of course) and now seems hellbent on doing so again but from a different source.

         15 likes

  6. Guest Who says:

    Newswatch should be interesting.

       11 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      When does this BS end ?
      It is wrong to cause hurt by being racist.
      It is equally wrong to bear false witness and smear people with the word “racist”.
      Here
      – ISIS are the most vile kind of terrorists who kill people in order to spread ideology.
      – Bannon is a news publisher and political strategy adviser
      he does not organise killings of people to push an ideology.
      The whole idea is offensive to him and his family etc.
      – @chrisinsilico has free speech to issue such an opinion
      but SamiraAhmedUK is irresponsible to spread hyperbolic info without context
      What if some idiot sees Bannon on the edge of a tube platform and thinks “I’ll ride the world of one terrorist” ?

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      • StewGreen says:

        It’s libmob’s weird view of the world
        Where someone who turns up at 3pm gets some makeup done
        reads an autocue for 15 mins
        and then walks out before 4pm with £650
        .. is UNDERPAID !

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  7. Beltane says:

    Clever timing from our favourite Broadcaster who gave so much coverage to the disgraceful ‘longest NHS waiting times in history’ over the weekend, doing their very best to ensure maximum damage to Tory electioneering.
    Come late on Monday, when the mental poison is fully established, we’re told the NHS will pick up the doctors’ tax tab. What’s that again? Well apparently after HMRC changes, the tax impact on pensions is so severe our noble Hippocratic Oath chaps have been putting a block on overtime – although it goes without saying that any effect on hospital waiting times as a result is purely coincidental. Better by far to blame the ubiquitous and truly versatile ‘Savage Tory Cuts’. Always a vote winner.

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    • Khaa2091 says:

      The fact that elective operating grinds to a halt when people work something resembling what they are actually employed to do…..
      Hippocrates oath or not, the majority of my colleagues are reluctant to pay (it actually costs the consultants money) for the privilege of doing non emergency work at weekends. During a Sun 10pm nightmare I counted 11 consultant colleagues, only 4 of whom were actually on call, trying desperately to save a young woman’s life. I have never heard of anyone physically able not responding to a colleagues direct request for help.

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    • Despairada says:

      Sorry to be trivial but do Doctors still take the Hippocratic Oath: “I swear by Apollo, and all the gods and goddesses ……”?

      There are obvious questions to follow.

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  8. Sam S says:

    The BBC gave a lot of coverage to Boris’s cancellation of the planned cut in corporation tax from 19% to 17% – to save £6bn which can then be spent on the NHS. Fine. They even have an almost impartial report on this on the website.

    It’ll be more revealing to hear what they have to say on Toady tomorrow morning though.

    Since 2010 corporation tax has been gradually cut from 28% to 19% yet corporation tax receipts as a percentage of GDP have increased year after year.

    A question an impartial presenter would be asking tomorrow morning might be “Given that we’ve seen a clear trend of increasing corporation tax revenues when the corporation tax rate is reduced, doesn’t the history clearly suggest that you’re likely to raise more money for the NHS by going ahead with the tax cut?”

    Fat chance. I bet they just have a go at Boris’s u-turn.

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    • Guest Who says:

      Broadcasters like U turns.

      Only not if they are from the left.

      The eco community is steaming… well, evaporating neutrally… about the latest ‘just an ambition really’ from Magic Grandpa and his Moronic Minions on clearly opportunistic, unrealistic claims of knocking the country back to the Stone Age (their other policies will do it by 2020 anyway), but almost nothing from Laura, Nick, etc.

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      • Guest Who says:

        Here’s Laura going after people who are paid silly amounts supporting parties…

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  9. StewGreen says:

    Over at a tiny upstart anti-BBC blog
    According to Mark Littlewood in The Times, “Nearly seven in ten support scrapping the BBC licence fee”.
    http://isthebbcbiased.blogspot.com/2019/11/poll.html

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  10. StewGreen says:

    ITV doco just now : crisis in Berlin as rents rise
    Now what could cause that in a city OPEN to everyone ?

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  11. taffman says:

    More Global Warming Warnings.
    This time its from France …………..
    “Sudden snowstorm leaves one dead, many without electricity in southeast France”
    https://www.france24.com/en/20191115-sudden-snow-storm-leaves-one-dead-140-000-homes-without-electricity-in-southeast-france

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  12. Terminal Moraine says:

    The Guardian helping out the nation by highlighting key seats which can be swung by the voters of peace: Muslim voters could swing 31 marginal seats, research finds. (That’s research by the Muslim Council of Britain.) Whilst at the same time publishing numerous objections to the 24 signatories who the other day urged people to ditch Corbyn: “A vote for Labour is not a vote for antisemitism.”

    The Guardian says the MCB is “non-partisan”. The MCB say — as one of their key political pledges — they seek to “enhance democracy by enabling increased participation of minorities and women in politics and public life…”

    Both laughable.

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  13. Celtic_Mist says:

    Imho the BBC has gone too far – the silence is deafening apart from –

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  14. Celtic_Mist says:

    “At the age of 23, Brian Wood was thrust into the front line in Iraq, in the infamous Battle of Danny Boy. Ambushed, he led a charge across open ground with insurgents firing at just five soldiers. On his return, he was awarded the Military Cross.

    But Brian’s story had only just begun. Struggling to re-integrate into family life, he suffered from PTSD. Then, five years later, a letter arrived: it summoned him to give evidence at the Al-Sweady Inquiry into allegations of war crimes by British soldiers during the Iraq invasion of 2003.

    After years of public shame, Brian took the stand and delivered a powerful testimony, and following the tense inquiry room scenes, justice was finally served. Phil Shiner, the lawyer who made the false accusations, was struck off and stripped of an honorary doctorate.

    In this compelling memoir, Brian speaks powerfully and movingly about the three battles in his life, from being ambushed with no cover, to the mental battle to adjust at home, to being falsely accused of hideous war crimes. It’s a remarkable and dark curve which ends with his honour restored but, as he says, it was too little, too late.

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  15. Loobyloo says:

    Scientists create slippery toilet coating that stops poo sticking https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50469405

    Al Beeb night time obsessions – vaginas and poo.

    Incidentally, use the correct term, faeces. Or shit is a pretty good description. They didn’t mind using that word when President Trump said shit-hole.

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  16. Guest Who says:

    There’s a hustings coming up locally.

    I might ask all candidates why a public some 70% not in favour of an information and education propaganda outfit is still forced to uniquely fund them because they all want a chance at being on the telly.

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/impartial-bbc-is-flexible-with-the-facts-in-lgbt-guide/?

       16 likes

  17. digg says:

    BBC Breakfast bigging up UNI visits this morning with lots of loaded questions, can’t think why!

       15 likes

    • JamesArthur says:

      I don’t think you are the only person with this view,,Funny I don’t recall them going to universities in the past – you just have to hope not all students are taken in…..

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  18. theisland says:

    David Vance was recently MC for the second For Britain conference. It is unfortunate they are not yet in a position to field parliamentary candidates, but they are concentrating on council seats in May. The HoC could do with the bravery and energy of Anne Marie Waters. She calls them all out for their sickening hypocrisy and corruption. I wish I was as optimistic as she is.

       18 likes

    • G says:

      theisland,
      I recall the considerable effort and legwork FB put in over the period, fairly recently culminating in the by-election in Newport Gwent. For weeks prior, I was constantly bombarded with requests from FB to go to Newport and help out distribute leaflets etc.
      After the by-election I explored the results. FB secured about 112 votes……………………….

         9 likes

  19. Guest Who says:

    Get ‘em young. And gullible.

       22 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      On all topics.

      dfs will be thrilled.

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    • Guest Who says:

      The BBC really are gunning for the youth.

      And not very subtly.

      It’s like watching a clown car with Rolf, Jimmy, Stuart and the Duke of York pulling up outside a school holding a youth hustings event., ‘reported’ upon by Nick, Laura, Ems, Vile and VD saying how wonderful the BBC is to each other.

         8 likes

  20. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #1 – A squeaky Voiced American Woman

    How hard can it be to find a native British woman to comment on UK Government taxation during a General Election campaign? Obviously very difficult. The BBC roll in Kate Andrews (? did I get that right), instead, to comment in the post 8.30a.m. segment.

    Even the trail for Josie Long’s new series of ‘Short Cuts’ featured a British man talking followed by guess what sort of voice?

    Yes. That’s right: a squeaky voiced American woman.

    Bizarre. It appears to be another BBC obsession. Quite bizarre.

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    • G says:

      Up2,
      Perhaps it is a case of suitably qualified UK citizens refusing to comment on the BBC? I would like to think that if they did so, it was because they feared what they openly speculated upon being ‘massaged’ by the BBC.

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      • Up2snuff says:

        G, there are obviously some who refuse to appear on the BBC (one J. Corbyn appears to be boycotting BBC Radio) and some the BBC prefer us to not hear from (such as sceptical climate scientists.)

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  21. Guest Who says:

    And when the bbc talks, they usually talk anything other than impartially.

    I have noticed that on a local basis on Facebook (PPCs and party pages) it is carnage.

    Limps and Labour obsessed about how they have been out leafleting. Greens about climate change. Conservative about ‘looking forward to meeting the public once in several years’.

    And all… getting almost no reactions. Or at best a few partisan snarks or support.

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  22. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #2 – Running the rule of a reality check over it

    Chris Mason has been on to talk about tax. He makes the valid point that the Greens (no sign of the manifesto on their web-site – I just looked) who want to spend a £100bn per annum over ten years to make the UK ‘carbon neutral’. If that is an eye-wateringly huge sum to you, Chris rightly puts it in perspective: we spend that on the NHS each year. (Slightly more, in fact, IIRC.)

    You heard it here first although Justin did not ask Jonathan Bartley about it: will you scrap the NHS or will you saddle future generations with massive debts? Jonathan kept talk about future generations.

    Justin did not ask about whether the Greens will increase road fuel taxation. Jonathan wants cheap public transport but if the Greens increase road fuel duties then bus fares are likely to increase rather than reduce.

    The hard fact that every political Party hoping to be in Government during the next ten years has to face: they will have to find a replacement for up to £50 billion per annum of existing transport taxes.

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    • Thoughtful says:

      “The hard fact that every political Party hoping to be in Government during the next ten years has to face: they will have to find a replacement for up to £50 billion per annum of existing transport taxes.”

      The same was said at the time concerning the move from leaded to unleaded petrol – the tax for the wealthy who could afford new cars was therefore lower than for the poor who couldn’t. Yet post BLiar and the popular uprising against his fuel tax meant that the tax on unleaded is higher as a percentage than it has ever been and the UK suffers from the high cost of fuel in the world.

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      • Up2snuff says:

        I don’t recall too much over a fuss over the cost, Thoughtful. The greater fuss was that a PM who was a chemistry Graduate, IIRC, (although we since have discovered, not a very good one) had delayed the change and then wanted to add an expensive but possibly chemically harmful additive to make petrol unleaded when cheaper, probably harmless, alternatives already existed.

        IIRC, the additive has now been deemed harmful to health. Oh dear. Bring back lead?

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    • EmptyingDadsShed says:

      Public transport can be tax free.
      No fuel duty
      No VAT.
      No road tax.
      Free MOT for road vehicles.
      Free insurance.
      Everything free
      Etc.

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    • EmptyingDadsShed says:

      Public transport can be tax free.
      No fuel duty
      No VAT.
      No road tax.
      Free MOT for road vehicles.
      Free insurance.
      Everything free
      Etc.

         6 likes

      • Up2snuff says:

        It could be, Empty, but it isn’t.

        After John Major’s misguided attempts to go ‘Green’ in 1992, (private!) bus companies had to be subsidised by the taxpayer for the extra taxes that they had to pay on fuel and vehicles. Even so, in London, bus fares had tripled within a few years.

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    • G says:

      Up2,
      The Green clown interviewed on Toady this morning was asked leading questions about reaching the ‘zero emissions’ by 2030 and what existing forms of transport he would expect to be banned. He conceded all and summarised (under questioning) that if the public want to retain their petrol/diesel cars, that’s ok. Question? – how ever can ‘zero emissions’ by 2030 be achieved if there’s no legal compulsion. Perhaps ‘zero’ doesn’t mean ‘zero’ to the Greens……..

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  23. Guest Who says:

    The Today Programme

    “There are still people out there who have suffered, and they need to be at the centre of our thoughts”

    Justice Secretary Robert Buckland on whether enough consideration has been shown this week towards alleged victims of the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

    ***

    The bbc could milk an anvil. Meanwhile, in Rotherham.

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  24. king crimson says:

    Not the bbbc, so apologies for being off topic.
    For those of us planning on enduring the itv debate, Ladbrokes has a buzzword bingo in their politics/debate section.
    It’ll be like a slow motion horse race waiting for ‘Get brexit done 1/10, hard working families 5/1, magic money tree 4/1, on the doorstep/people say to me – both 2/1’ .
    It will make evening a bit more interesting as I won’t actually be listening to anything either of them says…but will just be waiting for ‘chlorinated chickens’ to come up (5/1)

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    • Up2snuff says:

      “And it’s ChlorinatedChicken coming through on the Grandstand side with GetBrexitDone leading and MagicMoneyTree fading now. RailNationalisation is fourth, InvestInRoads fifth, LauraNorder is sixth, ImmigrationRules is running at seven. ClimateChangeEmergency still trails NHSFunding but at the back UniFees is catching them both.”

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      • Thatcherrevolutionary says:

        what about ‘Selling the NHS to Donald Trump’ ?

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        • Up2snuff says:

          Trainer pulled it ‘cos the going was too soft.

          (PS. I sort of hate horse racing with a passion, esp. in my younger days, but since TV watching came to an end in this household that hatred has abated. And with age, too.)

          I did, however, really enjoy TV & Radio impersonators of the late, great Peter O’Sullevan in the past.

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  25. pugnazious says:

    Hard hitting interview from Justin Webb as he takes McDonnell apart.

    Webb: Do you want to get rid of all billionaires?

    McDonnell: We want a fairer more equal society.

    Webb: Do you want to get rid of all billionaires?

    McDonnell: We want a fairer more equal society….where children aren’t dying in the street from starvation as rich people use their dead bodies to feed their dogs.

    Webb: OK…moving on…you will be cancelling student debts won’t you…I just want to make sure…students will be listening?

    That last bit wasn’t made up [actually nor was the first bit]…once again Webb is urging Labour to implement what are its policies…when Angela Rayner was on he wanted to make certain she would be fully funding universities and now wants to make sure Labour will cancel existing student debt….both Labour intentions anyway.

    So far from asking where the money is coming from Webb is actually promoting more spending…by Labour.

    Interesting to hear McDonnell state that the student loan system had failed, was designed to fail, as most will not pay off their loans….hmmm….so what’s the problem then?…..those who get well paid jobs pay their way and those who don’t have the resources don’t have to pay…so very socialist no?

    What McDonnell wants to do is to give everyone free university education regardless of ability to pay…however rich you may be…so very capitalist no? Take from the poor and give to the rich.

    Webb naturally didn’t pick up on the point that people didn’t have to pay now if they were unable to, nor that McDonnell was in fact giving to the well-off, using money which could be used to fund all those food banks he is so worried about.

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  26. StewGreen says:

    You know Peter Obourne went rogue and became a Remainiac
    activists are quoting a line in his new Guardian article
    “I have talked to senior BBC executives, and they tell me they personally think it’s wrong to expose lies told by a British prime minister because it undermines trust in British politics.”

    … His website about the lies, falsehoods and misrepresentations of Boris Johnson is at https://boris-johnson-lies.com
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/18/boris-johnson-lying-media

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  27. chancygardner says:

    I can do quite a passable impression of Richard Burton. So much so, that I expect my epitaph to read something like “Here lyeth Chancy Gardner. He didn’t achieve very much in life but he could always do a very passable impression of Richard Burton.”

    Imagine my delight after tuning in to i-player (since SHE still pays for it) and finding the beeb have made a re-make of War of the Worlds! Imagine then my horror, not to hear the warm, honey-dew tones of Burton introducing the series but instead some thin, waspish, girly voice coming out of the telly loudspeaker.

    Exacerbate the face of horror to that of ground-up anger as the first few frames alight upon girly face, given seniority in everything, even on a bike ride.

    Alright, alright I know I should have known better but (now in Burton voice), “no-one would have believed that in the last months of 2019 the BBC would have encouraged people to live on Mars and yet slowly..and surely…they drew their plans against us”.

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    • BRISSLES says:

      Chancy – Burton/Hopkins/Connery are amongst the few ‘voices’ that can give a girl quivery legs !!!! so well done, and a proud boast, I mean, who would want to admit they can emulate Beckham’s or the late Alan Ball’s voice, or, god forbid Alan Carr’s squeaky sqawks ??? The deep timbre male vocals seem to be a thing of the past sadly.

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      • chancygardner says:

        Thank you Brissles! I feel slightly taller now but just to double check…let’s ask Martha shall we? Let Martha decide.

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  28. Up2snuff says:

    Just checked again, no sign of their Manifesto on the Green Party web-site.

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  29. pugnazious says:

    Listening to Emma Barnett interviewing Soubry….a Labour supporting, Boris hating BBC presenter tag-teaming with a Boris hating, anti-Brexit malevolent, dishonest, lying, bitter, ex-Tory unwanted wannabe MP.

    Barnett’s gotcha’s……Boris is insincere and can’t be trusted unlike Corbyn who is very sincere and honest, Corbyn allegedly keeping to his principles whilst Boris flip-flops[er…2017 Corbyn suddenly a fan of the police and anti-terror…never mind his sincere approach to Brexit] Boris will ruthlessly discard those he doesn’t need [Er…Corbyn’s purges?], he’s a bully, he’s a macho posturer who doesn’t want to work with other parties [hmmm…the man who just negotiated with the EU and came to agreement with the hardline Varadkar?]

    All these characterisations slipped into the mix by Barnett in the usual way…some might say…or you’re saying…and then Soubry thinks for a second and then says hell yeaah! Boris is a bully, insincere, macho posturer who doesnlt care who he hurts as long as he gets his way!

    When Soubry went off script and started to suggest other parties also suffered from not wanting to cooperate with anyone else Barnett jumped in and told her she didn’t want to talk about that…she only wanted to talk abot Boris and his ‘faults’.

    Not so much an interview but outright character assassination.

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  30. Thoughtful says:

    More illegal policy announcements banned by Europe unreported, and this time from Boris.

    Boris is lying that life will mean life without parole for child killers, yet I’m sure many of us here know that European law disallows blanket sentencing without parole, and this is the ‘Uman Rights Act not the EU and the cowardly useless incompetent Tories bottled abandoning the ECtHR, so Boris cannot do as he promises regardless of whether we leave the EU or not.

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  31. andyjsnape says:

    “Should workers be allowed to nap at work?”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50396297

    Why oww why do people pay the tele tax for this cr*p!

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  32. andyjsnape says:

    “Should workers be allowed to nap at work?”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50396297

    Why oww why do people pay the tele tax for this cr*p!

       2 likes

  33. andyjsnape says:

    “Should workers be allowed to nap at work?”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50396297

    Why oww why do people pay the tele tax for this cr*p!

       5 likes

  34. andyjsnape says:

    “Should workers be allowed to nap at work?”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50396297

    Why oww why do people pay the tele tax for this cr*p!

       9 likes

    • Up2snuff says:

      Those poor workers, ajs, are probably exhausted looking for the Green Party manifesto on the Green Party web-site, CO2 and global warming from big servers notwithstanding.

      I’ve just checked – it is still not on there.

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      • StewGreen says:

        It is there
        and its servers do cause CO2 emissions, as tgere wasn’t much sun or wind last night.
        Green New Deal : £100bn/year costing each household £4,000/year
        : Remain and Transform
        : Growing Democracy … Global justice and international aid
        : The Green Quality of Life Guarantee 48
        : The New Deal for Tax and Spend
        https://campaigns.greenparty.org.uk/manifesto/

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        • StewGreen says:

          Ah there are extra costs of about another £4,400/ year per household
          cos The Green New Deal includes : Universal Basic Income reform
          “Cost of proposed UBI regime .. £86.2 billion
          (To be met from tax changes and savings revenue)”

          plus Operational Expenditure not related to Universal Basic Income ..£9.5bn

          (the the original £100bn seems to be the greening of transport and electricity as there is for that£94.4 billion )

          =======

          Then another £15bn total here
          Growing Democracy : extra cost £25 billion
          savings revenue
          The Green Quality of Life Guarantee : extra cost £20.8 billion

          But then they claim savings from scrapping roads, HS2, Trident
          and tackling poverty: £12.6 billion
          Ending the war on drugs: £1 billion
          Ending air pollution: £1.8 billion
          Making * Total extra revenue generated by savings: £29.4bn *

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        • StewGreen says:

          The Green Party PR man : Rog Harra has already put out a story
          “Green Party manifesto: The key policies explained”
          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50464641
          “Analysis by Roger Harrabin, BBC environment and energy analys

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        • StewGreen says:

          Ah maybe £8,200/year household extra cost
          cos they claim some savings
          What will your household be giving up to pay for the £8,200/year extra cost per household of the Green Party Manifesto ?

          Green New Deal includes :
          Universal Basic Income reform
          “Cost of proposed UBI regime .. £86.2 bn”
          + Operational Expenditure not related to Universal Basic Income ..£9.5bn
          + Greening of transport/electricity £94.4bn

          + Growing Democracy £25bn
          + Green Quality of Life Guarantee £20.8bn
          – MINUS £29.4bn savings
          (scrapping roads, HS2, Trident Tackling poverty £12.6bn
          Ending : war on drugs: £1bn
          Ending air pollution: £1.8 bn etc )

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  35. StewGreen says:

    @Up2Snuff Which came first the Green Party Manifesto or the BBC story promoting it ?
    You reported that at 1:20pm it was not yet available

    Yet the very first time someone promoted the BBC article was 1.5 hours earlier
    at 11:59am Robin Lustig tweeted

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  36. Lucy Pevensey says:

    😉

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  37. theisland says:

    Is there anything on the bBC about the fact that yesterday the EU agreed their budget for 2020 – €168.9 billion (£144 billion pounds)? No? Obviously not very important.
    https://facts4eu.org/news/2019_nov_eu_spends_uk_money#

    The UK’s Chancellor of the Exchequer wasn’t even there

    Priorities = climate change, jobs, young people, security and solidarity in the EU.

    Even if the UK ‘leaves the EU’ on 31 Jan, it will keep paying for the EU’s plans for all of 2020
    35% (€58.7 billion) will go to subsidising other EU countries
    34% (€58.1 billion) will go to subsidising EU farmers

    EU CONFIRMATION THAT THE UK WILL KEEP PAYING
    “The agreement is based on the premise that the United Kingdom, following its withdrawal from the European Union by 31 January 2020 at the latest, will continue to contribute to and participate in the implementation of the EU budget until the end of 2020 as if it were a Member State.”
    Statement by the EU Commission, Brussels, 18 Nov 2019

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  38. Thoughtful says:

    I see the cowardly useless incompetent Tories have suspended a candidate for comments he made 7 years ago in a chat room and which he claims are out of context.

    The brainless PC Tory Socialists claim they are opposed to ‘all forms of Islamophobia’

    So that means the moronic loons are opposed to anyone drinking alcohol, eating pork products, or celebrating Xmas, all at one time or another describes as Islamofauxbik !

    Try selling that one in Scotland no drink no fried sausages and no Christmas – see how far you get !

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  39. Guest Who says:

    BBC Breakfast (@BBCBreakfast)
    19/11/2019, 08:34
    “We’re not properly educated I think.”
    Courtney is a young voter in #Southampton but she tells #BBCBreakfast it’s hard to find people to talk to about #politics who aren’t biased.

    The BBC appear to think that ‘proper education’ is acquired by watching anything the BBC labels ‘explained’ or ‘what you need to know’.

    Rather sweet they are trying to infer that when it comes to lack of bias… it’s them.

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  40. StewGreen says:

    Is the Yorkshire Post pushing agendas ?
    pg4 :Black and Asian people urged to register to vote before next week ..
    “1 in 4 black and Asian voters are not registered to vote, warns the Electoral Commission”

    … that’s all about Corbyn wanting to CURRY favour with them

    Pledge for clean election fight as candidates remember MP Jo Cox
    https://www.dewsburyreporter.co.uk/news/politics/general-election-candidates-jo-coxs-former-constituency-batley-and-spen-sign-fight-clean-campaign-1303202

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  41. StewGreen says:

    Vegans flex muscle again

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  42. Thoughtful says:

    OK this link is to a far leftist website but what it has to say is incredibly incriminating for Fib Dem leader Jo Swinson and her Husband.

    https://nyebevannews.co.uk/swinson-fails-to-declare-family-company-was-given-3-5m-euro-by-the-european-union/

    The European Union gave a 3.5m euro donation to Transparency International, which in peak irony is supposed to be an anti corruption watchdog with a mandate to foster, erm, transparency.

    It is run by Jo Swinson’s husband. Has Jo Swinson declared this conflict of interest to the House of Commons? No.

    Is that a breach of House of Commons protocol? Yes.

    Is it a breach of the law? Yes.

    So who is Jo Swinson’s husband? His name is Duncan Hames. He is the director of policy at Transparency International UK.

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    • JamesArthur says:

      Thoughtful
      If this is true then it should be a major question when she gets on TV..doubt you will hear it on BBC though..

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      • JimS says:

        Where have you guys been?

        The BBC has already found him innocent.

        It really is quite unusual for the BBC to try and clear someone’s name, even (especially) if they were the ones doing the original damning.

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  43. Guest Who says:

    The BBC is trawling Unis at the moment trying to whip up numbers amongst undergrads.

    Stew can confirm, but by my reading this has had less than one comment for each hour it has been up.

    Surely the cubicle gardens can get the word out in the community to support Mishal in her efforts?

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    • StewGreen says:

      @GuestWho there is a connection
      I seem to have just heard Adrian Goldberg evangelising the youth vote just now
      .. It was in a promo for tonight’s show
      “What about the students they will be saddled with huge debts ( that’s scaremongering)
      .. and we’ll be talking to 16 year olds who want their say ”
      Then he played a clip of a whiney 16 year old.

      BTW he added “We haven’t heard from Humberside people yet”
      .. Hardly surprised, cos the locals say their no such place as Humberside.. it was a made up title imposed on us by our London masters.

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    • StewGreen says:

      @GuestWho that R4TODAY post is viral
      .. two whole Likes !
      and 9 replies from 7 people
      .. that’s hospital radio level

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  44. Guest Who says:

    Speaking of social media disconnects and oddly over-featured media on the BBC, here is the BBc house journal drumming up support for the Greens…

    Again, I make that… not too many.

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  45. digg says:

    The green party are running with the tagline “Only the Greens say Yes to Europe and No to Climate Chaos” on their website.

    I will rewrite it a bit for them to provide a clearer picture…
    “Only the Greens say Yes to Europe (Whatever they demand) and No to Climate Chaos (To be Replaced with Economic and Social Chaos)”

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    • Guest Who says:

      Digg, Stew… zero BBC so OT ( claim a Billy Bragg exemption), but as I was socially medifying I came across a post that combined your posts and mine on take up based on capturing the public mood vs…. reality

      Herefordshire Green Party
      Yesterday at 11:30 AM ·
      HUMAN RIGHTS POETRY EVENING
      Weds 20th Nov, 7.30pm – 9.30pm.
      Gallery Space, above De Koffie Pot in the Left Bank Village
      A night of poetry readings and discussion about the power of words in the struggle for human justice and liberty. Amnesty International was founded because one man believed the pen is mightier than the sword in the struggle for human rights. We’ll consider if this is still true today.
      It will include voices of:
      – Rohingya refugees
      – Emmanuel Jar – former child war soldier rap artist
      – Maya Angelou
      – Music from Billy Bragg
      And will include discussion about:
      – Comparing power of spoken word versus written word and comparing the power of poetry to other forms of words such as journalism, blogging, petitioning etc.
      – Authenticity – is it important that poets are writing about their own experiences?
      – Is climate change the most important human rights issue at the moment?
      – Has the internet made poetry more or less relevant?

      From what I can see, so far, if anyone is minded to attend, it will not be Jon Snow.

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    • StewGreen says:

      @Digg It should be
      \\ The Green Party … one of the 6 UK Islington Socialist Remain parties,
      that say “Yes, Mr Putin, we’ll do our best to destroy the UK economy
      and help destroy competition to Russian oil and gas”
      //

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  46. StewGreen says:

    4 It’s the R4 Book Show .. so what they on about ?
    “The black British experience”
    The 1981 New Cross Fire, Grenfell
    .. how black people have special victimhood
    female DJ Nemone loves Everything I Know About Love by Dolly Alderton,
    Raymond Antrobus loves Surge, a powerful poetry collection by Jay Bernard,
    and Harriett’s choice this week is Patrick Modiano’s Honeymoon

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  47. JamesArthur says:

    Has anyone heard anything about International Men’s day on BBC?

    In stark contract to International Women’s day when – it was all over the place..you might have thought Wimmins hour would be replaced with Men’s hour..a search of website finds one mention under the Sports section

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    • StewGreen says:

      Yes 5:45pm BBC Radio Humberside
      an item less than a minute
      that ended .. “and of course next year it will be International Women’s Day on March 12th”

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  48. Guest Who says:

    http://isthebbcbiased.blogspot.com/2019/11/is-peter-telling-porkies.html

    Oops. Looks like Newsnight will be retiring Peter to pay Paul, more often

    Why is it that older journalists appear to go bonkers when eased off the front pages? Simpo, Bowen, Sweeney…

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  49. Guest Who says:

    Would sir or madam care for an extra bowl of popcorn?

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  50. StewGreen says:

    British police officers lead police violence in Hong Kong says the Times

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