Weekend Thread 16 November 2019

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  1. Celtic_Mist says:

    Whilst everyone is watching the BBC Prince Andrew …

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  2. Burgsey says:

    I would say I am not the greatest fan of the Tory’s considering the mess they made of Brexit (and no doubt will continue to do so if they do win the election). However the anti Boris stories on the mainstream media, including our favourite BBC continues. The Brexit Party has largely been ignored until such time they can be used to have a go at Boris (mind you no smoke etc…!). I particularly detest the Lib Dems, but they are not getting a look in either. It’s all Labour good, Tory bad. Continuing disgraceful reporting.

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  3. StewGreen says:

    Wales Primary school Head teacher sacked for having sex with two 17-year-old boys he met through Grindr the gay dating app is awarded £700,000 compensation
    – On grounds of safeguarfing the LEA recommended sacking
    – The first tribunal said having gay sex with 17 year olds is legal so it’s unfair dismissal
    – The appeal tribunal agreed.

    Look if a 42 year old head teacher is having casual sex with 17 year olds that is not OK
    He/she is in a position of power and they are relatively children.
    It shows extraordinary poor moral judgement.
    Although it doesn’t mean he is about to start having sex with the primary school children in his care, he/she might be in situations where firm moral judgement is important.
    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/education/tywyn-school-port-talbot-sandfields-17266161

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/education/tywyn-school-port-talbot-sandfields-17266161.amp

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    • StewGreen says:

      And the head has to give a good example to the kids
      and uphold the reputation of the school
      If he is tainted as a bit of a perv that taints school.

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  4. pugnazious says:

    Inside the Secret Plot to Reverse Brexit
    ‘For the first time, a group of rebels is going public with its plan to derail Britain’s decision to leave the EU.
    Some involved privately confide that the access to senior EU politicians has been “extraordinary.”
    The high-level contact is paying off. While EU officials know they must tread lightly to avoid appearing to meddle in British affairs, they are privately feeding valuable intelligence on the unfolding negotiations to their British allies.’

    The BBC has never been keen to expose why Brexit isn’t happening. In fact it does everything it can to cover up who is blocking Brexit and why. Or I should say they are keen to cover up for the real guilty men and women….the BBC is though laughably keen to try and pin the blame on Boris.

    Since Boris became PM the BBC line has been that he is trying to create a false narrative about a Remain dominated Parliament blocking Brexit, Parliament Vs The People….when of course we know that is precisely what is happening….there’s nothing false about that narrative…..the BBC does not want people understanding that reality…one the BBC never raises as it gives platforms to arch Remainers like Grieve and Hammond without ever challenging their highly political and one-sided statements.

    Now the election is in full swing the BBC has switched tack slightly and has started to blame the Conservative Party itself…we hear from several presenters as they lecture Tory interviewees that the Tories ‘have failed’. A line used several times this week and on one occasion someone else has noticed the BBC’s deceit…

    The BBC is blatantly trying to help Corbyn out and send Labour Leave voters his way by making totally fake claims that the Conservatives Party has been the problem and not a Labour Prty that has said it will block any deal regardless of its content in order to force a general election[an election it then refused to agree to as it saw the polls]…Labour doesn’t give a damn about Brexit…it wants power and Corbyn in No10…Putting Party self-interest before national interest.

    You just have to look at this report from Bloomberg to understand the truth….the EU has been feeding Remainers secret information on the negotiations and the EU’s own intentions so that Remainers can coordinate their own anti-brexit plots with the EU’s actions…..

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-03-23/inside-the-secret-plot-to-reverse-brexit

    ‘For the first time, a group of rebels is going public with its plan to derail Britain’s decision to leave the EU.

    Away from prying camera lenses, Umunna and his fellow Brexit rebels have been seeking the help of European leaders for their mission. On Jan. 15, he joined senior members of the Conservative party, including Anna Soubry, a former business minister, and Dominic Grieve, who served as the U.K.’s Tory attorney general (before masterminding May’s December defeat), to visit the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, Michel Barnier, in Brussels. They’ve met senior officials in other EU institutions, European foreign ministers, and ambassadors from the bloc’s remaining 27 member states—even the heads of foreign governments.

    Some involved privately confide that the access to senior EU politicians has been “extraordinary.”

    The high-level contact is paying off. While EU officials know they must tread lightly to avoid appearing to meddle in British affairs, they are privately feeding valuable intelligence on the unfolding negotiations to their British allies.’

    ‘Traitors’ wouldn’t be too harsh a word for these people…working with a foreign state to undermine British interests…criminals, betrayal, surrender, quislings, collaborators….no word too harsh I think for them….or their media mouthpiece that has covered up for them and promoted their demands and lies.

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    • john in cheshire says:

      In a normal, sane country these people would be arrested, charged, prosecuted convicted and hanged as traitors.

      And in a Communist country, that’s exactly what would have happened. Even Communists are more patriotic and nationalist than these rats.

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  5. smoogie7 says:

    Interesting Tweet I found about the fire in Bolton:

    ‘Just realised that I worked for a company when I was 19 (6 yrs ago) that sold units within that Student Block in Bolton – before it was built.

    That means planning permission & completion was granted by a Labour council. Somehow I don’t think Tory bashing will cut it w/this one.’

    Here is one of the replies that I saw:

    ‘Which is why the BBC aren’t all over it’

    ……………

    Fire? What fire?

    The bias continues…

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  6. Thoughtful says:

    Anyone on these pages seriously thinking of voting for the cowardly useless incompetent Tories?

    Seriously? Are you that credulous?

    I think you’d probably be better off voting Labour !

    Boris is refusing to put a cap on migration to the UK, declaring he is pro migration and worse he is considering the leftist idea of declaring all illegal immigrants legal.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/11/15/boris-declares-pro-immigration-will-not-commit-capping-it/

    https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/press-release/584/an-amnesty-for-illegal-immigrants

    The cowardly useless incompetent Tories are still funding Islamic Jihadists of Al Qaida, running foreign aid at unsustainable levels, underfunding the armed forces, and now we get to hear they have suspended a Tory Councillor for speaking the truth about demands by Islamists in Germany !

    https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/press-release/584/an-amnesty-for-illegal-immigrants

    This is not a party fit for government of the UK, and a Corbyn government which soaked the idiotic wealthy backers of these crazed loons would be a fitting reward.

    I remember that we got Margaret Thatcher after the last insane Labour government and if that is what it takes for these nincompoops to realise how incompetent Boris and his lacklustlre crew are then bring on Corbyn ASAP and bye bye to Boris the bottler.

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    • Jeff says:

      “I think you’d probably be better off voting Labour!”
      No, we wouldn’t be. Seriously.
      Not under any circumstances. Not at any time.
      And particularly not with Comrade Corbyn at the helm.
      I realise you’re not keen on Boris and “his lacklustre crew” but there’s a limit.
      And sticking an anti Semitic, commie lunatic in number 10 isn’t the answer…
      For God’s sake, get a grip.

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      • smoogie7 says:

        I agree Corbyn is not the answer to anyone’s problems as it would bring a bag of new problems which our country really does not need at the moment. This election is the once chance to defeat Corbyn for once and for all and if Labour lose then it would hopefully throw them into a civil war as far left Momentum go to war with the centre leaning Blairites which could even keep them out of office for yet another term.

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    • Demon says:

      Thoughtful you’re saying that if we elect Corbyn it will be so bad the country will turn to a Thatcher type figure next. To start with Corbyn will be so bad that millions of Britons will suffer and that alone is a reason to do everything legally to stop it from happening.

      Next he will import so many millions of Labour voters from other countries and lower the voting age to whatever gives the left permanent government that we could never get rid of them.

      They will probably end all meaningful elections anyway as extremists always do. The country will get poorer and poorer, more and more violent and it will be an end to democracy. If he forms a government we are screwed and forever the boots will be stamping on our faces.

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      • smoogie7 says:

        They have already tried underhand tactics. I am very concerned over the suggestion that Momentum where allegedly ‘stealing’ student voting cards at the last GE and cast votes for Labour while students had gone home which might be the reason for very large swings in University areas.

        Stuff like that is illegal and has caused suspicion for more than two years now yet the left wing media (which of course includes the BBC) keep very quiet about it hoping that it gets kept quiet. They are all convinced that Corbyn managed to turn it around for Labour by himself yet I do strongly feel that there was foul play coming from Labour. They still lost though and I really hope for our country’s sake that they lose again.

        Corbyn and his cult are dangerous and only a fool would see otherwise.

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      • Thoughtful says:

        “To start with Corbyn will be so bad that millions of Britons will suffer”

        How exactly will they suffer? What the leftist media isn’t telling you is that Corbyn is in some pre EU fantasy land and that all his nationalisation plans are actually illegal under EU law, no wonder he wants to leave!

        “Next he will import so many millions of Labour voters from other countries ”

        So no different to Boris the bottler then?

        “They will probably end all meaningful elections anyway”

        When did the UK last have a meaningful election? The system is so riddled with corruption its a sham of a ‘democracy’ with our judges going so far as to call it so bad “it would shame a banana republic” and yet the useless incompetent cowardly Tories have utterly failed to do anything what so ever about it!

        There is no democracy and the Tories and Labour are the same far left party!
        Tell me what previous Labour policies have the Tories reversed since Cameron was elected, that they weren’t forced into by lack of money?

        Corbyn is backing Hamas the Tories are funding Al Qaeda are we now expected to chose a party based on which Islamic terrorist group they support?

        Both will bankrupt the country, one will propbably do it faster than the other, but better in this case to arrive there quickly.

        When President Trump criticised Sadiq Khan which side do you think the Tories took? Yep they took Labours side and defended the man who has increased the murder rate to one of the highest in t he world so when you’re talking about violence, just remember the Tories are all in favour of it!

        We are screwed which ever one of them gets in because in spite of the press coverage of how awful Corbyn is, the Tories aren’t any better.

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        • The General says:

          Whatever you are on I suggest you stop taking it !

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          • Fedup2 says:

            General – I second that – and thoughtful – if you just want to go on about how much you hate the Tories why not just go find a political only website as opposed to stuff which is BBC related . I have to read your stuff and sometimes it’s just a rant . If you don’t wanna vote for some party good for you .

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  7. Guest Who says:

    When the bbc has the BBC’s back.

    One might hazard this did not go as well as planned.

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  8. taffman says:

    I see that Al Beeb will be running another ‘Witch Hunt’ on British soldiers very shortly . This time its Iraq.
    How Al Beeb love the British Forces .

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    • Oaknash says:

      Your right there Taffy – At this rate it wont be too long before we get “Remembrance Friday” where we will all be able to celebrate those who gave up their lives blowing up both themselves and swathes of unworthy kaffirs whilst searching for Alans snackbar.

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    • G says:

      Taffman,
      In the States, it is gun ownership and condemnation of that. Both because they would be the ultimate last line of defence against a communist/Democrat coup. Whereas, in the UK, the population are totally emasculated.

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  9. Foscari says:

    I may get into terrible trouble with this post or maybe not.
    I sat with my wife last night and watched” Strictly” last night,
    for the first time this season.
    I must be in scores of videos being at Weddings , Bahmitzvahs and
    the likes, dancing like you have never seen. Anyway many tell me
    its worth a good laugh. OK I can’t dance. However I do like
    watching folk that can. Probably goes back to the old Fred
    Astaire and Ginger Rogers and Gene Kelly musicals.
    So last night Michelle Visage came on and explained to us
    almost in tears how the LGBT community had been wonderful
    to her. And then we saw her Vogue,her “dance ” of choice.
    I am afraid that I felt like the little boy in the ” Kings new clothes
    fable”. Yes she made herself look like Madonna and Vogued.
    I may of spelled the “dance” incorrectly.
    However I saw her do very few actual dance steps. I am sure
    when i am rotating my ankles for exercising my heart failure
    I do more! Even the flamboyant judges gave her the lowest
    score of the evening. BUT do the BBC want this champion
    of the LGBT cause out of the competition? I very much
    doubt it. Maybe Douglas Murray could explain it better
    than me ,what the reasons are.

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    • Deborah says:

      I gave up on Strictly this year, haven’t watched a single dance. But you can always tell when the BBC want to keep someone in by the fact they get the best clothes, camera angles and comments from the judges whatever their dancing is like. I began to notice the comments particularly for the jive when contestants are compared favourably to Jill Halfpenny (I think that is her name, but the Geordie lass) but if I then replayed the dance on iplayer saw it was flatfooted, out of time , woolly etc, we are never told numbers voting. I guess that continues to shrink but also means we don’t know if the BBC Is truthful about audience votes. The BBC will keep in BMEs and LGBQTs as long as they dare. They have an agenda to fulfill.

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  10. Deborah says:

    I have tried to edit posts for minor spelling errors after posting but within the 15 minutes. I have found I can’t change anything. Anyone else having the same problem?

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      Everyone, from time to time. I fear the site programming may be showing its age as I’m having problems with it using Safari on my iPad. Sometimes all I get is a blue page and I have to switch to Firefox instead.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Roland
        I suppose I use the site more than most . I’ve never had the problem you describe . I think the whole thing got shaky on Thursday ? Afternoon as o was busily deleting multiple identical posts … but we ll see and if it gets worse I will try to contact the person who picks up the tab for the site .

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  11. Guest Who says:

    The BBC go-to gal.

    On Newsnight a fair bit too, ironically.

    Emily clearly a fan of the ‘by association’ technique the bbc can use… selectively.

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  12. StewGreen says:

    I just came across this old tweet from Gavin Estler
    .. which seems to show their bubbleworld.


    There is a reply to that tweet, but I can’t see it.
    ..I edited this post after 4 minutes.

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    • Guest Who says:

      I could not see his post either.

      For a transparent organisation, the bbc does seem to have inspired staff and ex-staff to maintain a policy of ‘keep my views from being addressed in public’.

      Unique.

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    • Thoughtful says:

      She’s good because she’s black, and left wing, and that’s it. If I worked at John Lewis I’d be looking for another job!

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  13. pertelote says:

    Re Ash Sarkar above (Guest Who at 08.34)

    “Imagine if we just elegantly dispatched of our royals ”

    disposed of?..dispatched?..but not “dispatched of” dear!

    “Walks like a supermodel. F*cks like a champion” ..well so it say on her Twitter page (I assume that’s irony?)

    ..she should add “writes like a dunce”.

    A child and as such someone who should be seen and not heard. Mind you she’s seen far too much and for me at least it ain’t a pretty sight especially when in her “strident mode”.

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  14. Cassandra says:

    You know Christmas is fast approaching when the big concrete blocks are installed around the Yule markets to prevent ‘militants’, as the BBC would describe them, from the Religion of Peace trying to run over innocent Christmas shoppers.
    So in an attempt to lighten the mood and meet the BBC halfway about Greta and it’s gloomy climate change predictions, this should cheer us all up.

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  15. StewGreen says:

    R4 Sunday prog just covered an item about a London black church ( they didn’t call it that) in scandal cos of allegations members were coerced into loans so they could pay church taxes
    …then by coincidence I came across this thread

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  16. StewGreen says:

    Out now for the GE 2019 The Labour party sticker book
    collect your Free promise of the day sticker
    ..and stick it in your album ready to reclaim on the election day
    – Yesterday’s free promise : free broadband
    – Today’s free promise : free dentistry
    Jeremy Corbyn: ‘This is the first step towards making all dentistry services free of charge — part of our ambition to deliver free dentistry as part of a truly universally free health service.’
    Proof of residence not necessary
    https://thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-opens-coffers-wide-to-offer-free-dental-checks-w89pfb2gw

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    • StewGreen says:

      I said “sticker” , but of course Corbyn’s like any establishment politician’s promises are NOT sticky
      .. they are NOT stuck to
      after the election they are not stuck to.

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  17. StewGreen says:

    From German article about farmers invading the posh Greenpeace building.
    What many do not realize, however, is how the communists use ecologism to present themselves as morally superior and push their own agenda. In this way, environmental protection is highly politicized, driven to extremes, and even a pseudo-religion – but without the traditional moral foundations. Misleading propaganda and various political coercive measures gain the upper hand, turning environmental awareness into a kind of “communism light”.
    article

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  18. pugnazious says:

    SHIT-POSTING-CCHQ.png?w=1003&ssl=1

    Remember Kuenssberg trying to accuse the Tories of ‘shitposting’ [andgetting it spectacularly wrong]….her claim was that the ads were so bad, the colours and fonts chosen to grab attention, in a bad way, and make them go viral as people share them as a joke…but still spreading the message by default.

    Of course the ads were targeted mostly at the younger voters…and to be eye catching is the whole effing pont isn’t it? The BBC are trying to create a negative impression here by suggesting the Tories are using some dark, machiavellian arts to con young voters.

    Hmmmm….so who else might be so evil? The BBC maybe?

    9k=

    Clearly targeting millenials…as the BBC admits..

    and others note about its election podcasts….

    Then there’s this…presented by Julia Belle…a young, good looking woman aimed diretly at young viewers…called ‘This Matters’…..she tells us Brexit is off the agenda and they will concentrate on ‘what matters’…to the young voter….climate change and politicians lying…as the BBC almost uniquely concentrates on Tory ‘lies’ who do you think the ‘young voters’ will believe she is talkng about?…

    What is she saying? The video content is presented in a neutral fashion but…the BBC knows most young voters will vote Labour or for Remain parties…and so by encouraging them to vote shifts the balance in favour of those parties and away from Brexiteer Tories.

    ‘This Matters: Are politicians playing you?

    Politicians will say anything to win your vote.

    But did you know they’ll offer you different deals depending on your postcode?

    Come and find out what they’re really selling you this election.’

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-50352748/this-matters-is-this-the-climate-election

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    ‘This Matters: Is this the ‘climate election’?

    Do you think politics is just people playing games? Then this is the show for you.

    Every week This Matters looks into what is really going on in this election and how it will actually affect real people.

    This time we ask: Are we having our first climate change election? Find out how your vote could affect the planet’s future.’

    Oh and ‘We swear it’s not going to revolve around Brexit…’

    The BBC trying to sway young voters to ignore ‘Brexit’ and vote on other issues…like climate…and no doubt we’ll have the NHS, welfare, social care, policing, education and ‘equality’ programmes next.

    All issues the BBC sees as Labour Party home ground…thus the BBC is pushing a Labour agenda and avoiding talking about Brexit as Corbyn wants to avoid as well….despite admitting that Brexit is the number one issue for voters. Note the highly political and negative comment about fracking and the Tories.

    Funny that.

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    • Thoughtful says:

      And despite all of that the cowardly useless incompetent Socialist Tories back the BBC to the hilt, even if their members can see exactly what they are.

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      • pugnazious says:

        Yep…astounding really….if they’d logged BBC coverage this week alone they’d have to close down the BBC for the election….very definitely weighted heavily in Labour’s favour…what Tory announcements can you remember…hardly any I’d wager. Labour took top and very prominent billing with lengthy clips of Corbyn or McDonnell giving us the good news that Xmas has come early…no context or critical analysis….eg…Labour quote…’We’ll give free broadband for all paid for by taxing the evil capitalist internet companies…huzzah!’…Tory Quote…’crackpot idea’.

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        • taffman says:

          OfCom is left exposed by the blatant bias that is happening .
          What do they actually get paid for ?

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  19. Guest Who says:

    No…. really?

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    • smoogie7 says:

      So much for the BBC being against Corbyn, eh?

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    • Foscari says:

      Why should anybody be surprised the easy ride Andrew Marr
      gave to Corybyn? Marr used to be as left wing as you can be ,
      when a columnist for the Daily Express. As an analogy
      if Marr was playing at Wembley Stadium. You would find
      him left outside the stadium at Wembley Park tube station !

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      • BRISSLES says:

        Interestingly I read an article about Robin Oakley who was the political editor at the Beeb until 2000. He apparently had ‘differences’ with the Beeb at their trivialising of the News, so they parted company, and in came……… Andrew Marr.

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  20. fakenewswatcher says:

    I think Prince Andrew was ill-advised to put himself out there.
    The press is not going to let the Epstein story go, and that means it won’t let Andrew go.
    Anyway, last night was more about the development of the Maitless career, and image as a remorseless interviewer who will get at “the Truth”, than it was about throwing light on what really happened re The Prince and Epstein friendship (and all their friends).
    BBC, was it? That alone, speaks volumes about honesty, integrity and bias.
    If the Prince had viewed previous Maitless interviews, he would have known it would have been healthier to get into a lions den, than to sit down with Maitless, who very much has her own agenda in this type of interview. Getting at “the Truth” is not necessarily a part thereof.

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    • Justaddalcohol says:

      I don’t know the veracity of the Epstein girl’s allegation, but I have it on good authority that Andrew regularly bypasses the usual protocols to bring females back to his place to the point of rudely dismissing those there to protect him

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Just ,
        I’m really not interested in questionable royal fornication but I’d love to know how much the BBC is touting the interview for – to the Americans who will probably eat far more popcorn than I did .
        By the way – guess which Pizza Express comes up first if you google it ?

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  21. pugnazious says:

    Linked to this in previous comment but it’s worth its own comment….highly, highly anti-Tory….Tories lying on fracking…Tories don’t care about climate change…..all other parties want action…Tories don’t….climate change is real and dangerous…we need action….a very, very political and biased ‘advert’ for any party that shills about the ‘climate emergency’……the final kicker being the last words….essentially vote Remain to save the planet…only the EU has the regulations and laws to do this….after Brexit…not so much….

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-50352748/this-matters-is-this-the-climate-election

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  22. john in cheshire says:

    I have just completed a yougov survey. One question was about the commie islamic Labour party plan to nationalise BT.

    Amazingly, if the survey is to be believed, 32% support nationalising BT while 31% oppose it. The rest were don’t know.

    It is probably the promise of free broadband that is attracting the supporters.

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    • Thoughtful says:

      I am old enough to remember the GPO, and also when it split into Royal mail, BT and the post office.

      You could have one approved phone and it was illegal to own your own and connect it to their network even if it was completely compatible. It was also illegal to put in your own extension !

      Later on when BT was privatised kits became available to make extensions it was that simple a job.

      You couldn’t just buy yourself a phone line, it was a 6 month wait for a connection and that was for a party line shared with another home, and a private line took them years to install – probably a decade as I remember.

      When they loosened up a little we had to have only phones approved by them and they were still asking as much for a months rental as a handset as they cost to buy in the shops !

      We all know nationalisation doesn’t work, we know that government oversight bodies are a joke and always take the governments side – just look at Offcom !

      Labour cannot privatise BT without leaving the EU first as it would be illegal ! It is all a false promise so the bigger question is why the MSM aren’t questioniing them on this.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Thoughtful
        If I thought that the Labour Party had any idea of what it is doing I’d say that the nationalise BT idea would get some positive views .
        However – as you say – EU competition law would stop such an idea – which a shrewd political party would use to make the manifesto promise and then break it – with so many others.
        I would never describe Labour as being shrewd – especially putting a revolutionary Marxist and his crew in control .

        I note your continuous slagging off of the Tory party – I agree its less that the right wing party I want – but we have to live I. Reality and it’s either them or the brexit party – it’s too important to play games with .

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        • Thoughtful says:

          Labour and Corbyn are absolutely NOT Marxist in any way I do wish people would begin to educate themselves on this issue.

          Momentum was funded in large part by the son of the British Union of Fascists leader Max Moseley and the current Labour Manifesto is an almost carbon copy of that original Fascist manifesto of Benito Mussolini.

          Mussolini was a life long Socialist and member of the Italian Labour party Moseley was a minister in the Labour government before founding the BUF.

          Please do not be under any illusion, Corbyn is a Fascist verging on Nazi with his race hate and anti Semitism.

          I know that the media has done all it possibly can to cover up the link between Fascism and socialism ever since the end of WWII, it is yor job to get behind that lie by omission and discover what is going on for yourself.

          Todays Labour party is a million miles from Marxist and another million from revolutionary Marxism. It is Fascist verging on Nazi and it’s even going so far as to use the old Fascist slogan “Stronger Together”

          Corbyn is a Fascist !

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    • pugnazious says:

      But what does ‘free broadband’ mean? Will Labour also be nationalising Talk Talk and all the other providers then? And the BBC keeps telling me I will be saving £30/month…no…the price includes line rental and phone calls….actual broadband is only around £10.00 and it’s not provided by BT.

      It’s a headline grabbing, vote winning, they hope, bit of spin from Labour that the BBC doesn’t challenge…along with all their other policies…or should I say freebie giveaways with no price tag.

      Funny how the BBC wants to talk about ‘populism’ where it doesn’t exist…ie Brexit [a rational and reasoned response to undemocratic and contemptuous politicians and media oppression]…but looks the other way when Labour tries to buy votes with extravagant, lavish largesse that will bankrupt the country.

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    • Thoughtful says:

      I am old enough to remember the GPO, and also when it split into Royal mail, BT and the post office.

      You could have one approved phone and it was illegal to own your own and connect it to their network even if it was completely compatible. It was also illegal to put in your own extension !

      Later on when BT was privatised kits became available to make extensions it was that simple a job.

      You couldn’t just buy yourself a phone line, it was a 6 month wait for a connection and that was for a party line shared with another home, and a private line took them years to install – probably a decade as I remember.

      When they loosened up a little we had to have only phones approved by them and they were still asking as much for a months rental as a handset as they cost to buy in the shops !

      We all know nationalisation doesn’t work, we know that government oversight bodies are a joke and always take the governments side – just look at Offcom !

      Labour cannot privatise BT without leaving the EU first as it would be illegal ! It is all a false promise so the bigger question is why the MSM aren’t questioniing them on this.

      Here’s the FT who do discuss it:

      https://www.ft.com/content/c00d8684-788c-11e9-bbad-7c18c0ea0201

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  23. Celtic_Mist says:

    C. B. Thorington
    https://www.adividedworld.com/about-me/

    dirigiste = the left = BBC who go furher than most to encourage what they refer to as ‘activism’ which in reality often leads to violence.

    “Attempted Creation of a New “Catholic” Orthodoxy?
    If a politician is wise, defeat at the polls would inspire him or her to examine why the electorate has rejected his or her proposals. Yet, when the British electorate voted for exit from the European Community, many members of Parliament — including some Tory members — sought ways to “exit” while still retaining substantial ties to the EU. In the U.S., the election of Donald Trump and the prospect of his anti-progressive agenda have inspired “total resistance” to everything he tries to do. From the very beginning of his administration, a rapidly growing portion of the progressive elites has sought his impeachment and removal from office. And the progressive vitriol is not just directed toward Trump, but against all neoliberal Republicans as well. The Western dirigiste elites are desperately attempting to retain their authority in the face of growing populist revolts.

    The position of modern dirigiste elites is very similar to that of the Roman Catholic Church at the beginning of the Age of Enlightenment. Many of the Church’s doctrines — from the divine right of kings, to the selling of indulgences and to the doctrine that the Earth was the center of the universe — became increasingly suspect. The result was an insurrection against the Church that resulted in the Reformation. In addition, the Age of Enlightenment arose, which resulted in the birth of classical liberalism and in the modern sciences of physics and chemistry. As a part of this revolution, the divine right of kings and the authority of the nobility over the common people also came under a growing attack.
    https://www.adividedworld.com/political-ideas/western-dirigiste-elites-the-creators-of-western-political-and-economic-dysfunction/?utm_source=Subscribers&utm_campaign=470494e412-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f511d2125-470494e412-242768745

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    • Celtic_Mist says:

      Some may think that it is a step too far to refer to the BBC ‘progressive’ ideology as being left-wing but Thorington makes it clear –

      “Most Western Elites Are Dirigiste in Nature
      Since the late nineteenth century in the U.S. and even earlier in Europe, the dominant elites have been dirigiste. Dirigisme is a large category of ideologies that includes all forms of socialism, as well as somewhat less totalitarian ideas of social organization. It includes progressivism in the United States as well as the highly controlling bureaucracies of the European Union.

      The outstanding characteristic of all dirigiste ideologies is they fundamentally assume the state must direct the behavior of the economy. Because of the close connection between social well-being and economic health, this most basic assumption implies the government should be the primary tool for solving social problems as well.”

      The description ‘progressive’ is basically an attempt to put lipstick on a pig!

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  24. Guest Who says:

    Whatever is beyond vexed, I am past that too.

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    • Doublethinker says:

      These are probably the same type of detectives who found Carl Beeches evidence credible. The police have lost all credibility. They no longer police with my consent nor I suspect that of many other non woke folk.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Double
        And I think the plod May breached the official secrets act and its ‘good by pension ‘. If they make such allegations they need to be named …..

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    • taffman says:

      When is Panodrama going to conduct an in-depth enquiry into the mass grooming of children that has been going on in the UK ?

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    • Peter Sausages says:

      Liebour and the BBC hate our glorious Military

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    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      Did the coppers think the claims were “credible and true”?

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  25. taffman says:

    I understand the our so called Border Force have shipped some more Illegal Immigrants into the UK today ?

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    • fakenewswatcher says:

      taffman – 39 today. 1500 so far this year. (That they will admit to; could be double or treble that!) ‘Border Force’ are a joke. Free taxi service to the UK.
      The Fuehrer got it wrong in 1940, coming over with Heinkels and Dorniers and Messerschmitts and stuff. He should merely have stuffed hundreds of little boats with unarmed German civilians every day, sent them into the Channel, and – hey presto!
      “We shall bring them on to our beaches, etc etc.” Churchill could have said, puffing on his cigar. “I have nothing to offer you but migrants, migrants and migrants!” etc etc….
      “Never mind, chaps, we can all learn German!” Puff, puff…
      Goering would have been the one in the extra big dinghy.

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      • taffman says:

        I am very surprised that this useless Tory Government hasn’t contracted P&O Ferries to ship them all in yet ? Consider this, how many illegals are fugitive criminals and terrorists ? MI5 already has many under surveillance, this problem just increases their burden .
        The first duty of any government is to safeguard its people.

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  26. Celtic_Mist says:

    BBC – Follow us on Telegram ! We send out a selection of the best articles every day.

    [Pertinent to Trump impeachment for anyone following it]

    https://www.bbc.com/ukrainian/news-47642452?ocid=socialflow_twitter

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  27. pugnazious says:

    I don’t think the BBC has learnt anything from the times when they were ‘agreeing with Nick’ about all those rich and powerful Tories, Panorama aside, and when they libelled Lord McAlpine or when they reported on Christine Blasey Ford’s claims with total acceptance of them despite massive evidence that cast enormous doubt upon everything she said and claimed.

    On Saturday we had Mishal Husain targeting Alan Dershowitz over allegations by Virginia Roberts that he had molested her…despite his categorical denials and statement that he was suing Roberts Husain kept on insisting Roberts was a victim of his behaviour and that it was somewhat incredible that he should dare to challenge her account.

    Dershowitz may or may not be guilty but I would rather leave it for the courts to decide rather than some snooty, whiney, entitled, contemptuous, arrogant, holier than thou BBC presenter to hand down judgement…Mishal Husain in case you’re wondering…there’s so many to pick from of course.

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  28. NISA says:

    We have all become accustomed to misplaced African characters in BBC dramas set in bygone Britain, but it seems the BBC also see it necessary to invent female characters for balance. The reviewer for Radio Times considers this practice to be a valiant effort in relation to “The name of the rose” :-
    It’s quite daft that the two young women have crossed paths in the forest, especially as Anna, the noble huntress, was slashed in the midriff a great distance from the abbey. A valiant effort, though, by the adaptors to increase female roles in this drama. If you know Umberto Eco’s book, you’ll know Anna wasn’t in it.

    Perhaps if the BBC want equal opportunities for female actors they should avoid scripts set in medieval monasteries.

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  29. pugnazious says:

    Compare and contrast.

    When Boris was heckled during the floods the BBC broadcast the clip all day and made sure it was prominently positioned in the news bulletins.

    When Corbyn was heckled on the same day by someone challenging his friendship with terrorists the BBC ignored it…no, actually not quite…Emma Barnett had been gloating over the Boris heckle for a while and suddenly, later, mentioned ‘Oh yes and Corbyn has been heckled in Glasgow’…that was it as far as I know. Obvious that the programme had been receiving some messages from listeners on their failure to report and then ticked that box.

    The BBC though did report a heckle later….about a Scottish independence referendum…

    Now why would the BBC not show the heckle about Corbyn’s passion for terrorists…or indeed the words of Ian Austin who said Corbyn did not love Britain, that he sided with Britain’s enemies and was anti-semitic…BBC didn’t report those words for some reason.

    During the 2017 election the BBC also ran block for Corbyn refusing to challenge him about his links to terrorist groups and Russia, his desire to dismantle just about every part of the security infrastructure we have…from MI5 and MI6, to the police, the army, NATO and of course Trident….and when do you hear the BBC challenge Corbyn’s Labour on its intention to ‘destroy capitalism’? Of course all this was whilst we had the Islamic attacks going on and Corbyn was on the campaign trail proclaiming his hatred of terrorism and his support for the police….a perfect time for the BBC to start asking him difficult questions…such as ‘You’re lying aren’t you?’ But no…they ran with Corbyn’s narrative that the attacks were the fault of Tory police budget cuts.

    Guido has listed 100 times Corbyn has been there for the terrorists…and this is just the short list…
    https://order-order.com/2017/06/08/100-times-jeremy-corbyn-sided-terrorists/

    Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
    Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
    Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
    Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
    Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
    Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
    Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
    Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
    Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
    Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
    Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
    Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
    Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
    Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
    Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
    Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
    Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
    Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
    Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
    Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
    Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
    Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
    Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
    Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
    Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
    Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
    Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
    Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
    Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
    Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
    Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
    Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
    Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
    Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
    Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
    Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
    Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
    Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
    Opposed shoot to kill.
    Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
    Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
    Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
    Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
    Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
    Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
    Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
    Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
    Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
    Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
    Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
    Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
    Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
    Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
    Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
    Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
    Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
    Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
    Received endorsement from Hamas.
    Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
    Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
    Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
    Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
    Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
    Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
    Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
    Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
    Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
    Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
    Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
    Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
    Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
    Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
    Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
    Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
    Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
    Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
    Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
    Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
    Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
    Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
    Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
    Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
    Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
    Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
    Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
    Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
    Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
    Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
    Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
    Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
    Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
    Voted against banning support for the IRA.
    Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
    Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
    Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
    Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
    Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
    Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
    Voted against control orders.
    Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.

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    • The General says:

      Well done Pug quite a compilation,I am going to copy it off for future reference and can only hope that someone in a position of authority in the Conservative Party will do the same and USE IT !

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  30. StewGreen says:

    Media science “communicator” says skeptics don’t know what they are talking about.
    She seems to be projecting.
    BBC story began
    “A global group of around 11,000 scientists have endorsed research”
    There was no group, there was a webpage that people were invited to like
    and self identify themselves.
    Many people’s self-identication was not of a scientist
    eg student, or orthodontist etc.

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  31. StewGreen says:

    BBC enviro' journalist wins €100k award for his journalism
    BBC enviro ACTIVIST wins €100k award for his ACTIVISM
    McGrath no doubt shares the prize with his co-contributor Micky Mouse
    but in a late move Micky Mouse has been stealth deleted from the list of journalists

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  32. SkeptikEye says:

    If one is guilty by association. What about J. Savile. S. Hall, R. Harris et al?

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  33. StewGreen says:

    From Lammy who COLONISED the Expenses Account Land

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  34. taffman says:

    Why the people of Taff Land do not vote for Plaid Cymru…………..
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-50453053
    Nice one Al Beeb , for once .

    FOOTNOTE since posting, this they have already removed one photo?

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    • pertelote says:

      They truly are a shower of unadulterated sh*te. Chwarae teg! (“fair play” ..for those who know no Welsh on here).

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    • Square-Eyed says:

      Plaid Cymru say it’s Sahar Al-Faifi, but how do we know for certain? It could just be someone who looks like her.

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  35. fakenewswatcher says:

    And if you’re not satisfied with the Virginia whatsername story, Beeb have got the Jennifer Arcuri story ready to run and run and run. (The Trump recipe here, with a slight modification)
    Apparently Boris cast her aside like a gremlin…
    Along with their many pictures of Comrade Corbyn, there will be many pictures of Jennifer.
    And if Boris doesn’t make it back to No10, we could end up with a PM Corbyn and a Deputy PM Swinson, in a coalition supported by the SNP. With Blackford trumpeting away in some or other ministerial capacity. McDonnell in No 11. Home Office under Abbott. Beeb would be ecstatic!
    Doesn’t bear thinking about. Talk about blood running cold…

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  36. Dystopian says:

    Our ‘world class’ broadcaster has finally woken up to events in Sweden.
    It would be excellent if The POTUS now called them out on it with a big fat “I told you so”.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/11/13/bbc-wakes-up-sweden-bombing-epidemic-years-after-breitbart/

    “ The report managed to avoid directly citing the immigration connection for over twenty paragraphs, however, and then only addressed the issue obliquely, observing that “Swedish police do not record or release the ethnicity of suspects or convicted criminals, but intelligence chief Linda H Straaf says many do share a similar profile.”

    I wonder what ‘profile’ they share?

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  37. Thoughtful says:

    Tonight 6 weeks before Christmas I have begun watching the cult BBC series “The Box of Delights” by John Masefield everything about it is ‘feel good’ and comfort, and Robert Stevens portrayal of the baddie Abner Brown (Abner? That’s a foreign name isn’t it?) is masterful.

    When Biddy Baxter was on Desert Island Discs she named this as her crowning acheivement and it used cutting edge CGI (for its day) The music is by another BBC legend Victor Hely Hutchinson, although I suspect in todays Fascist environment we will never see either rebroadcast.

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    • theleftwilleatitself says:

      Excellent Thoughtful, I remember watching that in the mid ‘80’s, I must have been about ten.
      It was brilliant 👍

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  38. fakenewswatcher says:

    Dystopian- difficult one that, still trying to figure it out.
    Denmark has actually closed its border with Sweden.
    Ms Merkel won’t approve.

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    • Thoughtful says:

      Doesn’t really matter what the people want, what matters is what the elites want, and they have been bought by the Middle Eastern petro Islam rials.
      We’ve seen it all over Europe as the people turn against the leftist stupidity, the elites closing ranks to freeze out any kind of challenge and stupid brain dead people either too far away from what is happening to understand the truth or to f***ed by socialism to understand reality.

      Holland Sweden Germany UK all of them can no longer be considered democratic as they abandon the voters to chase the petro dollars.

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  39. Loobyloo says:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-50453053

    Sorry if it’s been discussed already but talk about making poor decisions..

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  40. pugnazious says:

    Just hearing Nolan tell us that child abuse is the most heinous crime as he, and the BBC, continues a never ending, it would seem, inquisition and show trial of Prince Andrew and his relationship with Epstein.
    Moral sanctimony aplenty as they express dismay and shock at what went on and what they now suggest went on as they accuse Prince Andrew of committing such ‘heinous crimes’…accusations of course that come in expression of disbelief at his denials.

    When hundreds, maybe thousands, of young white girls were being drugged, beaten, raped and otherwise abused by men of ‘Asian’ descent did the BBC fill the airwaves with such moral anguish and outrage?

    No.

    They accuse the Press of racism because they dare to criticise Meghan Markle [the BBC ignoring the fact that Diana was whitest of white] but they themselves were guilty of the ‘most heinous’ racism as they looked away as thousands of those young white grls were abused by Asians, Muslims….and now one white male is in their sights…suddenly they’re born again virtuous campaigners against the abuse of young women and girls.

    If you’re going to attack a girl best shout ‘allah akbar’ before you do whilst quoting the koran as your justification….the judge may not believe you but the BBC almost certainly will.

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