Midweek Thread 6 November 2019

The official start of the Election Campaign. We will be joined , no doubt , by political parties and organisations monitoring the bias of the Far Left pro EU BBC output and complaining to OFCOM and the Electoral Commission – favoured resting places for bubble dwellers .

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450 Responses to Midweek Thread 6 November 2019

  1. taffman says:

    It was in the June of 2016 that the people of Grate Britain and Northern Ireland democratically voted to get out of the EU and despite the passage of time we are still in the the EU and Al Beeb is as biased as it ever was .

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    • taffman says:

      It was in the June of 2016 that the people of Great Britain and Northern Ireland democratically voted to get out of the EU. Despite the passage of time we are still in the EU and Al Beeb is as biased as it ever was .
      The so called Tory Party is heading for a despicable treaty with the EU, only this time its Boris’s “pig with lipstick”.
      If Boris was a true Brexiteer he would join forces with The Brexit Party .
      Trouble is, the Tory Party is full of Libdems in disguise. Why do you think Al Beeb is allowed to continue its bias?

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      • john in cheshire says:

        I wonder how many ‘ sleepers ‘ there are in the Brexit party? How many of the 20 or so who have defected recently were there to do just that when given the instruction. How many more will defect over the next five weeks, to give the impression that support for the Brexit party is fading and to put that message in the MSM?

        These are the dirty tricks that both the Conservative party and the Labour party will use and I expect there are enough people in the Brexit party who know this; hopefully they have prepared for it to happen.

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        • G says:

          JiC,
          It’ll go the way UKIP has gone already if that takes place.
          All part of the illusion and supportive of the fact that the public are continually being channelled in one direction or another. Led by the nose and at the top of the list, of course, is our Marxist State Broadcaster.

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    • StewGreen says:

      Backlinks : so you can catchup with good stuff from the previous day
      page 3 started 5pm Tuesday
      page 2 started 9pm Monday

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  2. taffman says:

    “Zulu screening on Bonfire Night for Rhondda PTSD veterans”
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-50291276
    I am very surprised that they even mention this great film of the 60s. When was a film such as this last screened on Al Beeb ?

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    • chancygardner says:

      One of my friends from way back decided he would go all woke regarding the film Zulu. I must have seen it around twenty five times and I simply love the portrayal of the characters and the large number of cult lines arising within the script.

      Therefore, it was a bit of an amazement to me that the silly twit should suddenly put on the modern anti-white colonial pc hat and refuse to acknowledge the film’s standing. He just couldn’t see it for the great film that it is as well as a fine tribute to the bravery of both the British soldiers and Zulu warriors. There are loads of factual errors in it but what the heck.

      There is no way on Earth this would be shown on the BBC now. Heaven forbid!

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  3. BRISSLES says:

    We really are seeing the end of same race relationships. Just watched the final episode of the final series of The Affair on Sky Atlantic, and portrayed 30 years from now is ……… a white woman and her husband of colour with their 2 mixed race children. Casting Directors are clearly get sh..t scared of being called out on Twatter that sections of community are not being portrayed, so its a ‘keep everybody happy’ policy and why we are getting half/half relationships in everything from adverts to dramas to blockbusting films. Hardly a true portrayal of real life.

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    • Halifax says:

      Hats off to ICELAND. Their Christmas adverts doesn’t feature any BME characters….I’ll be popping in for my frozen lean mince on my way home….

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      • Ian Rushlow says:

        Meanwhile, John Lewis has gone for a more ‘traditional approach’, aimed squarely at shoppers who work in the BBC newsroom. They seem to be horribly confused about the seasons: Winter in the southern hemisphere takes place in June.
        (go to https://www.johnlewis.com/ and scroll down to the ‘Bring on Winter’ section)

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    • G says:

      Brissles,
      The BBC would say, ‘that’s merely aspirational’ wouldn’t they?

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  4. JimS says:

    “A global group of around 11,000 scientists have endorsed research that says the world is facing a climate emergency.”

    Says the BBC in a lead item on its website.

    Will the BBC now start pushing to stop mass immigration, something that leads to land being cleared, increased air travel, population growth and increased consumption, all things that these scientists say need curbing?

    Probably not. I guess they will think that the first step will be to cull the indigenous European peoples.

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      There are 11,000 climate scientists? That’s quite some gravy train to protect.

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      • john in cheshire says:

        But what does the word scientist mean? I don’t think it now means what we oldies were taught it meant.

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        • Scroblene says:

          The terminally dull Rhod Sharpe was reporting the non-event on R5Live last night.

          The bloke he interviewed was so incoherent with sound bites about ‘seein’ more gales’, ‘risin’ sea levels’, an’, an’, an’ stuff, it was painful even to turn over and switch the blasted machine off before I really woke (yup – that word), up!

          You might just as well go out on the landing and ask the dog what’s going on in the world, rather than put up with the appalling drivel this awful station squeezes out.

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    • Guest Who says:

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    • Ian Rushlow says:

      The only person quoted in the BBC report (strictly speaking, the BBC wrapper around a cut’n’paste item that has been distributed to all the MSM outlets worldwide) is Thomas Newsome, a lecturer in Australia with a particular interest in wolves and dingos. Which is a kind of odd choice as poster boy, when you think that the world’s leading scientists (social scientists?) would be queueing up for this honour.
      https://thomasnewsome.com/about-me/
      All the usual slights-of-hand are employed to fool the guillible and those incapable for critical thinking. For instance, the article states ‘Released on the day that satellite data shows that last month was the warmest October on record’ and ‘the authors include a range of data which they believe represents a “suite of graphical vital signs of climate change over the past 40 years”.’ However, look at the chart used to illustrate the point:
      https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/2EBB/production/_109536911_map_1month_anomaly_global_ea_2t_201910_v01.png
      It does not cover the past 40 years – it covers the period 1981-2010. Why’s that? Apparently they’ve already got the data for October 2019, which only ended 6 days ago, yet the data for most of past decade has not come in yet? Hardly. The reason is that the data for the past decade shows steady and even declining temperatures in most years so simply doesn’t fit the story, so they ignore it. The phrase ‘warmest October on record’ is equally bogus, as ‘the record’ under consideration only dates back 40 years, minus the missing decade. Look back 100 years, 500 years, 10000 years or further and the picture is very, very different.
      But hey – when you’re looking for global dictatorship, massive taxation, social control and an unprecedented transfer of money from the have-nots to the mega-rich, you’re not going to let facts stand in the way.

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      • Bogtrotter says:

        The article doesn’t appear on the BBC home page anymore, but it’s still (strangely) to be found under a tab labelled ‘science’.
        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50302392

        The article originated from the American Institute of Biological sciences:
        https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article/doi/10.1093/biosci/biz088/5610806

        from which you can download ‘supplemental file s1’ which lists the “11,258 scientist signatories from 153 countries” that signed the report. Amongst them you will find:

        Mouse, Mickey; Professor; Mickey Mouse Institute for the Blind; Namibia

        Thanks to the website JoNova for pointing out this glaring lack of quality control, completely missed by the parroting BBC. As the aforementioned Mr Newsome states in the BBC article: “We have rising emissions, rising temperatures, and we’ve known this for 40 years and we haven’t acted – you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to know we have a problem.”

        No, just a blind cartoon mouse, or a BBC employee.

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        • Payne by name says:

          Thanks for your post and directing me towards JoNova. She neatly debunks the article and in her comments, I managed to see the signatory list and find the actual Mickey Mouse.

          Great find, thank you.

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    • Old Goat says:

      Ain’t no climate emergency, bruv…

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  5. theisland says:

    Thanks to Kate Hoey.
    One of the very, very few with integrity.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      ti, funny, I was thinking this morning after waking that what a shame it was that Kate (or Gisela) could not have been leader of the Conservative Party and PM.

      Things would have been very different to have had a genuine, committed Brexiteer in charge for the post-EU Referendum period to date.

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  6. LastChanceSaloon says:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-50311335
    2019-11-06 03:00
    Matildas: Australia women’s football team in landmark pay deal

    “Australia’s women’s football team, the Matildas, have struck a historic deal which will see them earn equal pay and entitlements on many key measures.
    Football Federation Australia (FFA) said it means the top male and female players will be on the same pay scale.”

    Gloats the World’s Most Biased Broadcaster.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3609949/Matildas-lose-7-0-Newcastle-Jets-15s-Rio-Olympics-warm-up.html

    This is blatant sexism, unisex sports only in future.
    Equal pay for inferior work, as demonstrated by results, since 100,000 BC.

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  7. LastChanceSaloon says:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50305284
    2019-11-06 06:15
    BBC NEWS General Election
    General election 2019: Green Party pledges £100bn a year for climate action

    “Launching her campaign in Bristol, co-leader Sian Berry will say: “Some things are even bigger than Brexit. This must be the climate election.”
    The party says it will fund the pledge by borrowing £91.2bn a year, with a further £9bn from “tax changes” including a rise in corporation tax.
    The Greens will also set out plans to make Britain carbon neutral by 2030.

    See your £50 billion Jeremy and raise by another £50 billion!
    Shake the magic money tree and all will be well.
    Are any of these parties intending to cut foreign aid?

    I would not let the Green Party organise children’s pocket money.

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    • john in cheshire says:

      Have they sorted out refuse collection in Brighton yet?

      The greens, just another branch of the cult of collectivism who couldn’t hold a pee up in a brewery.

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    • Backlash says:

      Why are these morons even given the time of day? One barking mad MP? 24 hour news is one of the worst things about modern society.

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  8. Guest Who says:

    Of all bbc platforms, BBC Politics seems the most blatant in using the set up technique. Not sure how many read it, mind.

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      Talking of BBC Politics, it’s amazing what attracts their attention. And what doesn’t.

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      • Guest Who says:

        Talking of stoking fires, if bbc interviewers don’t get Lammy and Keir on to amplify their ‘calls for’, I will be most surprised.

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      • G says:

        Roland,
        Isn’t that reminiscent of a bonfire where the effigy/model of Grenfell caused the ‘two-tier’ police to arrest and charge some people on the basis of that being a hate crime?

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    • Guest Who says:

      Laura is also… predictable…

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      • Guest Who says:

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      • tarien says:

        Frankly if I had been in the burning building, irrespective of what the FireBrigade may have advised, it would have been instinctive for me to have left that building with my family PDQ. What would you do if your house was on fire? Get out dam quickly, wouldn’t you? Don’t consider that Rees-Mog said anything out of order-the subject is just so super sensitive considering that many suspected of breaking the law on tenancy.

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        • BRISSLES says:

          I also couldn’t find anything ‘offensive’ or ‘horrendous’ about what JRM said. And honestly ? exactly how many of those in Grenfell at the time would have spoken English and understood what the fire brigade were telling them anyway ! But no-one dares say that. Yes, getting out from a burning building is instinctive, and its not wrong to say that, or offensive.

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    • Guest Who says:

      And when not hunting down Tories, the bbc is also acting as the first line of defence for those who are not.

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      • StewGreen says:

        @GuestWho re the BBC Trending story on Jo Sweater Swinson’s husband
        .. Good for no it’s not a full debunk

        Wow actually at first glance that BBC Tr(uth B)ending story does seem to be way above their normal standard
        … which normally consists of finding some white person and shouting “far right” at them
        And BBC Trending usually only take the lefty line, yet this article is unusually balanced like it debunks a conspiracy video about JRM and Boris.
        It is very long and does does actually seem to shine a light for once

        But when I read it I find major errors
        Bottomline the actual context is that EU does annually pass money to the world HQ of an org closely connected to the Swinson family. But the org is not mostly funded by the EU (I can’t spot the exact magnitude, but for one office it’s a third)

        ===============
        Let’s look at the BBC’s takeaways
        ‘#1 Mad righty bloggers got carried away and exaggerated
        .. Yes they did minor grants don’t mean the NGO is a EU puppet
        .. Yes I had spotted that some people were exaggerating saying by calling TI “Jo Swinson’s husband’s company”
        .. and they said €4m/year which doesn’t seem true

        #2 It was all about a one off €4m ONE OFF was an EU grant to the BERLIN office in 2018.
        …’oh it’s only a German regional branch ‘
        AND this is BBC Trending’s main error…. actually Berlin is is TI’s world MAIN HQ with 2 depts
        a)TI Secretariat …b) Transparency International EU
        Their about us says “Since 2008, Transparency International EU has functioned as a regional liaison office for the global movement”

        Secondly ..it was NOT a one off
        The EU is committed to long term annual funding of Transparency International EU
        In the year 2018 account there are these annual incomes
        €257m “for our work on Anti-Corruption Advocacy for Sustainable Development in 2016-2020”
        + €250m “for the Clean Contracts project in 2016-2019)”
        “2018 budget is around 1.4 mln euros.”
        So the EU provides 36% of the Transparency International EU annual budget

        What about TI Secretariat ? their budget is €24m of which two thirds come from governments
        Another €4.5m come from “Multilateral” whatever that means. Maybe some comes from the EU

        ====================

        Notes from the BBC story

        The blogger said “as he says on his LinkedIn page – receives €4 million from the EU each year. Oh dear….”
        (That could mean that Berlin press release appeared on his Linkedin page)

        “the UK branch – again, the one that Mr Hames works for – is separate. It did receive smaller EU grants: £21,000 in 2016/17 and £2,000 in 2017/18.”
        I don’t think that is worth adding to Jo Swinson’s interests cos half of businesses probably got some of OUR money via the EU grants sometime.

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    • Peter Grimes says:

      I read that Lt Col Thornberry wrote to No 10 saying a disinterested person had written to her expressing concern about the delay in publication.

      ‘Disinterested’? Entirely believable of course.

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  9. MarkyMark says:

    1) Ask who is responsible and why it wasn’t corrected earlier.
    2) Respond with Trump MEME “They have to go back.”

    “… and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how.”

    “Then come back”!

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  10. digg says:

    It seems pretty clear now that the Powers that be, the House of Lords are preparing the ground for public funding of the BBC by direct taxation because its income is being hit by loads of people just dropping out of the license fee.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1200534/BBC-tv-licence-fee-bbc-news-UK-House-of-Lords-report-Ofcom-latest

    This line in the article says it all….

    In the report, it warns “if public service broadcasters are to continue to serve us and to afford to make world-class programmes, they must remain financially viable”.

    It added: “In our view, PSBs, especially the BBC, should not be given further responsibilities without a corresponding rise in income.”

    Still in denial over the plain fact that so many people are just being totally turned off and angry by the relentless “wokeness” and bias it belches out daily.

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    • Ian Rushlow says:

      Remind us: when do we get to vote in an election for the House of Lords?
      #ScrapTheUnelectedBloatedParasites

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    • andyjsnape says:

      The report read: “They said that the BBC had become a ‘jack of all trades and master of none’.

      I’ve been thinking the same for sometime

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    • G says:

      Digg,
      Bit like the European Army I suppose…………..

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  11. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #1 – Sopel – Keeper of the King’s Stool

    Self-appointed Sopel informs me that Donald’s done a quid pro quo.

    I do not wish to know.

    Is that all you have, Jon?

    Report some real news from Washington instead.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Tourette’s Robinson in Tip-top form today as for some reason the chairman of the Conservative party went on to be beaten up about dumb campaign mistakes made yesterday namely

      JRM opening his mouth
      Some twitter comment by a candidate
      Some online video of Kier Starmer

      Ten minutes spent on that and then a bit on Brexit with Robinson saying the failure to leave was the government’s fault . When in fact we now know it was Remainer traitor may working for the EU that did the damage – not the BoJo government .

      I have no idea why conservatives go on Toady.

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  12. fakenewswatcher says:

    Nick Robinson uses licence-fee funded TOADY to launch a full-frontal attack on the Tories. Biased is hardly the word for it. Toady becomes a party political broadcast on behalf of Labour. Rees-Mogg on Grenfell is brought up endlessly ad nauseum. A minor issue, which is open to debate, slanted and turned into a major one. You can actually hear the beeb deciding that this will be the battering ram for the day, it’s so obvious.
    Laura K says that the Conservative campaign has ‘bad chemistry’.
    There is, of course, time to attack Trump. Anything will do, as this a.m. proves. Sopel has to find something -anything – to drag up as an attack vehicle. We know by now an anti-Trump feature will be there, rely on it.
    The beeb has to ask itself whether its bias can be allowed to morph into a giant party political broadcast in the case of Toady. Does it really think its listeners are too stupid to notice?

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  13. Fedup2 says:

    Toady 2

    Dimbleby PLC senior has done a programme about Brexit – apparently the country is split says he . And people are angry says he. And he interviewed a lady who is a hairdresser who god help me normally votes labour but now votes Tory because of brexit?

    How could this pleb ? Implies Dimbleby looking down his nose as this peasant .

    Then he throws in —- but the EU has given loads to mertha- they be got a community centre .

    Dimbleby senior PLC – the state broadcaster made flesh having a chinwag with his boys on Toady . Blissful bias. Vile.

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  14. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #2 – It’s a gas! – A Brexit-Free Zone

    Jonathan Barclay, co-Leader of the Green Party is interviewed by JustRemainIn Webb. Central to the Green Party election manifesto is the borrowing of £91bn per annum and raising extra tax of £9bn p.a. to spend on upgrading the nation’s housing stock to make us carbon neutral by the year twenty-something.

    Justin does not ask about how much CO2 manufacturing all those ground and air heat exchangers will produce. He does not ask about how much CO2 will be produced when manufacturing all that insulation. Justin does not ask about how much CO2 manufacturing all those replacement tripleglazed windows and solar panels will produce. Justin does not ask about how much CO2 will be produced by installing all those ‘improvements’ at a cost of £100bn per annum.

    What a shame we did not get some intensive questioning from ‘the Science is Settled’ BBC of the Green Party’s supposed Carbon Neutral Co-leader.

    I wonder why? Justin not technically or intellectually equipped? Probably. Or bias? You decide.

    Thankfully, the interview was a Brexit Free Zone.

    Again, I wonder why?

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    • Idiotboy says:

      The BBC is a Brexit free zone because it is trying to divert the focus of the coming election away from the core issue which precipitated it onto more mundane and easily managed stuff like “Climate Change” and fabricated verbal gaffes by notable conservatives. They are doing this in lockstep with the Labour election campaign, which is focussing on the same sort of nonsense, including a bit of Thatcher hatred to pad out their vacuous policies. All part of the plan. Boris Johnson needs to bring the conversation back to Brexit, and refuse to be distracted.

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    • Spiderman says:

      Please don’t worry about interviwers not asking about CO2.
      CO2 has NOTHING to do with climate. And if the Greens are planning to ‘borrow £91bn per annum and raise extra tax of £9bn p.a. to spend on upgrading the nation’s housing stock to make us ‘carbon neutral’ they should just be told that ‘carbon neutral’ is a ficticious concept and sod all to do with the climate. Of course, spending that amount of money on home insulation to save electricity is another thing and can be debated.

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  15. Guest Who says:

    Like OFCOM, Tortoise is rammed with ex-Beeboids.

    Not sure this effort is helping the old gang on the impartiality front.

    #CCBGB

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  16. The General says:

    I don’t know if its because Jo Swinson likes honey but she has
    recently taken up Bee Keeping as a hobby.
    She has bought a hive and is very proud that she has developed
    a small swarm consisting of a Queen and 37 Workers.
    She sees the upcoming General Election as an opportunity to attract
    large crowds so she can show off her 38-Bs.

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  17. fakenewswatcher says:

    A delighted Toady has dragged up A. Scaramucci to badmouth Trump.
    Seems by now they have their ‘regulars’ to pursue their regular agenda. Saying the same old, same old. ‘Here are the anti-Trump slots for the day, one per hour.’ Why don’t they advertise it?
    ‘Bias’ isn’t the word.
    Toady is one big political agenda fest.

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  18. Guest Who says:

    It’s back!

    https://pressreleases.responsesource.com/news/98680/bbc-series-looking-for-entrepreneurs-products/

    Have you heard of it?

    Thinking of pitching a broadcast tv service so bent it has to be uniquely funded by law and has a customer service dept. with scores of staff who just tell complainants they think they got it about right, because what else is going to happen?

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  19. Peter Grimes says:

    Not Al Beeb but Sky showing themselves as bad.

    The ridiculous, up herself gargoyle Kay Burley ranting just before 9 about the failure of James Cleverley (a fellow alumnus who I’m happy to acknowledge, unlike Oily Robbins) to come and be ‘interviewed’ by her even though he was only 15 feet away. Burley invited viewers to express their opinions on this.

    These ‘star’ presenters really do think they are important.

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    • EmptyingDadsShed says:

      The “hated” politicians must find alternatives to the MSM or If you appear on the media, whichever station, record the interview yourself as well. Then release the recording, including any discussion before and previous, and comment on the interview.

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    • BRISSLES says:

      I wrote and thanked Sky for re-assigning Ms Burley to the early morning show as she’d be off air before I got up, and it meant I could start watching the news in the afternoon again on their channel.

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  20. Foscari says:

    The munchkin women this morning showed her true colours
    this morning on breakfast TV, and it wasn’t yellow. Over the
    years going back to ” Drive Time” on BBC radio’s 5 live, she
    only seemed capable of telling us if the yellow brick road
    was congested. But this morning Louise’s red streak came to
    the fore as she quized James Cleverly, chairman of the Conservative Party on Jacob Rees Moggs supercilious
    comments about Grenfell.
    It’s a shame but I suppose it is natural but Rees Mogg occasionally
    does show his ingrained superiority.To be honest it was a car crash
    interview for Cleverly and Louise Minchin knew this from early
    on ,and went for the jugular.
    As for Grenfell there is still a side to why many of the poor souls
    who perished in the fire did not leave their flats. BUT it is a
    topic that cannot be mentioned, and it isn’t just that the fire
    chief told them not to leave.Many of you know what I am talking
    about ,but it cannot be written. It’s too much of a bomb shell.
    Maybe I am being harsh on Minchin. But lets see how she interviews a senior Labour official about how Labour are putting up Muslim past or present associated anti-semite candidates in heavily populated Muslim
    constituencies . Such as Uxbridge and South Coventry.

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  21. dafydd says:

    I listened to an interview on Breakfast TV on the BBC where Louise Minchin was interviewing James Cleverly MP..It was aggressive, confrontational and sarcastic..Interestingly driving to work a little while later Nicky ” i hate Tories”Campbell was also interviewing James Cleverly regarding the same matter, fake news posts. The questions he asked were exactly the same and put across exactly the same way.. Its was obviously a concerted effort by the BBC to make the Tories day unpleasant… It seems to me that a plan of attack by all major broadcasters to bring down the Tories poll ratings asap…

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  22. pugnazious says:

    The BBC is going in hard on ‘posh and privileged’ Jacob Rees-Mogg for his comments that it would be common sense to try and escape the Grenfell fire….so very insensitive and out of touch. The BBC channelling the Labour narrative about ‘rich Tories’. The BBC brings in a fireman to say there was no way anyone could escape because they would have got in the way of the firemen….so how did so many actually manage to escape then?

    This is the BBC that has lambasted the fire service for not rescinding the ‘stay put’ advice….so the LFB rescinds the advice and then what, if as the BBC now claims via this fireman, that there was no way to escape? The BBC insists on the one hand so many lives could have been saved if the advice had been reversed and yet now with the chance to attack a Tory, a Brexiteer Tory, claims there was no chance to escape, advice or no advice, and it’s insulting and indicative of ‘nasty party’ values.

    And then there’s this….a headline that in itself already indicates a narrative as it talks of the ‘unknown’…how stupid to jump into the unknown…as opposed to the known…burning to death in your flat….but the BBC doesn’t of course raise that possibility here….

    ‘Is it common sense to leave for the unknown?’

    We have a Grenfell resident, very much alive, telling us it just wasn’t common sense to ignore the fire service advice….so was he rescued by the LFB and swiftly borne to safety by the brave lads and lasses of the LFB? er…no. He eventually ignored their advice when his own common sense kicked in…..

    He told The Sun how they had been woken at 2.30am by other people, and not by fire alarms, which residents said did not go off to alert the residents of the building.

    Marcio immediately rang the emergency services and was told that firefighters were on their way up to save them and to stay inside their flat.

    But by 4.30am, he realised it was down to him to save his family.

    Marcio, a teaching inspector for Ofsted, wrapped wet towels around his children and led them and his wife down the flaming stairs, horrifically stepping over bodies as they made their way down.’

    Just minutes after he realised there was a fire, at 02:30, he tried to get out….

    ‘ I took the video at 2:32 am, just before we had made our first attempt to leave the flat’

    Smoke prevented the escape and he phoned the LFB who told him they were going to come immediately and get him out….so escape would have been possible…

    ‘ ‘Okay, I’m going to tell them that and they’ll come and take you out” and the ‘stay put’ advice for hm and his family was rescinded.

    Other residents had already escaped on their own volition and urged him to do so…only common sense no?…

    ‘I received several phone calls from other residents, namely, Miguel Alves and Ivan CostaSuarez who both lived on the 13th floor of the Tower. They had managed to get out of theTower earlier, They called me at various intervals and kept telling me to get out of the Tower.’

    ‘ I discussed the situation with Andreia and Helen and we all agreed that we needed to try and leave. It felt like we had been waiting for the Fire Brigade for as long as 15 to 20 minutes after the first 999 call and we all felt we had to try and get out’

    In his own witness statement to the Grenfell Inquiry he said he was given fire safety advice on moving into the flat…it was ‘stay put’…his response, and the reponse of the person giving the advice was…

    ‘ I remember that we then joked about it and I said, ‘If there is a fire, I’m getting out! I’d prefer being outside the building than being inside the building if there is a fire,’ Janice replied, ‘I would do the same.”

    Many a true word said in jest….you would think and say exactly the same I’d suggest.

    JRM is being attacked for saying something anyone else would say, and indeed, as shown, the residents themselves believed and acted on…..better to get out than stay put.

    Nick Robinson of course did the BBC thing and used this to lead onto a narrative Labour would love….listening to Today and 5 Live this morning and you might think you had tuned into RT…apparently the posh and privileged JRM has no idea how poor people live [if true, and we only have the BBC’s word for that, what has that got to do with his thoughts on a fire?] and this illustrates, doesn’t it?, the real values of the Conservative Party. Classic BBC transition and misdirection and as it tries to make one thing ‘evidence’ of something completely different.

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  23. SkeptikEye says:

    It used to be said that the working class were ‘cannon fodder’ now we are just expendable ‘ballot fodder’. Expected to vote for false promises and then forgotten about until the next General Election comes knocking at their door. Well people of Britain there is one about to happen on the 12th of December. So get out to the ballot boxes and show ‘them’ as you did for the Referendum of 2016 that YOU are mad as hell and YOU are not going to take it anymore!

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  24. Guest Who says:

    The media have gone even more ‘gotcha’ deranged than usual.

    Just as Kay does a Burley with Cleverly, the BBC can’t let their favourite go…

    The Today Programme

    “I don’t think he misspoke. I think he reflects an arrogance for ordinary people”

    “Shadow home secretary Diane Abbott doesn’t accept Jacob Rees-Mogg’s apology for saying it would have been “common sense” to flee the Grenfell fire.”

    Fan those fires, Aunty. Sick idiots.

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    • G says:

      GW,
      They only want to see his blood running down the sidewalk.
      But, hang on, “think of Saint Jo”

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  25. pugnazious says:

    The BBC and fellow travellers have always tried to paint the people in Grenfell Tower as forgotten people, marginalised and cruelly ignored by a heartless Tory Authority, the same Authority that spent millions renovating the area and the building [of course the cladding failed tragically]….so were the residents really unhappy and just scrubbing a living in the ghetto that was Grenfell Tower?

    ‘My family life before the fire was very happy. I lived in our flat at Grenfell Tower with my wife, Andreia Perestrelo, along with our two young daughters.

    I would describe it as a lovely place to live.

    We were happy and enjoyed living in the Tower. I would describe it as living in our own little bubble. I had lived at Grenfell Tower for 10 years without any problems, save for problems that arose during the refurbishment works which took place approximately between 2012 and 2016. There was a great communal atmosphere at Grenfell Tower . Everyone was friendly and we all knew one another, especially the neighbours on our own floor. We were a close community and supported one another.’

    This resident was so unhappy he wanted to buy his flat….

    ‘ We had the flat valued on two separate occasions as we were considering buying the flat. It was last valued at £330,000 in early 2017.’

    The BBC spins and spins, it fabricates lie upon lie, it is fake news.

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  26. StewGreen says:

    Asian gang on tour raiding Currys/PC World stores
    A gang of four men burst into Scunthorpe’s Currys/PC World and stole thousands of pounds worth of Apple and Samsung electrical goods.
    It happened at about 6pm last night when the store was open at the time and busy with both staff and customers.
    The gang entered the Lakeside Retail Park store, shouting threats and stole tablets, laptops and mobile phones from a display stand before making their getaway in an older silver Audi.
    The men are *believed to be Asian* and in their late 20s or early 30s, and police have advised the public not to approach them.
    The theft has been linked with similar crimes in Leeds on Friday and Worksop earlier on Monday.

    https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/local-news/gang-bursts-busy-currys-pc-3502600

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    • G says:

      SG,
      “….advised the public not to approach them.”
      Nothing a shotgun would not put right. That’s inevitable. Not too far away as I see it.

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  27. digg says:

    Artist lady being interviewed on R4 as she is recreating the Sg Pepper Album Cover artwork so that it includes 50% Women, (The original is all men).

    is there no end to this madness?

    For instance should we demand that an image of George Best or even better Stormzy be painted into Botticelli’s Birth of Venus painting to keep the 50/50 thing going?

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    • JamesArthur says:

      digg
      It is depressing and more so because this sort of thing is considered newsworthy..the last supper will need changing too…we are all doomed

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      • BRISSLES says:

        James, ‘we are all doomed’ when the grunts of an inarticulate black artist with a ridiculous name (and who is largely unknown to anyone over 40) are newsworthy enough to be splashed as headlines in the press.

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        • Ian Rushlow says:

          Dear Brissles

          I am a senior BBC executive (PPE at Balliol College, Oxford), although I prefer to remain nameless. My father was a colonial administrator in West Africa, and this has given me a rather special interest in Black culture. This year, to mark my 75th birthday, I attended ‘Glasto’, along with 426 other BBC executives.

          You refer to an ‘inarticulate black artist with a ridiculous name’. I assume you are referring to Stormzy, real name Yaxley-Lennon Michael Ebenazer Kwadjo Omari Owuo Jr. Whereas you hear ‘grunts’, my colleagues, myself and of course the youngsters who listen to Radio 1 – both of them – hear the authentic and anguished cries of the poor and oppressed crying out against the injustices of thousands of years of slavery. We, who know best, hear a cultural colossus who strides beyond Shakespeare, Goethe, Leonardo da Vinci, Mozart and Tolstoy.

          Plus, he did tell the crowds at Glasto to ‘F*ck the government and f*ck Boris’.

          So there.
          Yours sincerely etc

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          • BRISSLES says:

            LOL !! love it.
            Interested to see his ‘real’ name, and my immediate thought was that he finds his stage name easier to say – and perhaps remember.

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      • The General says:

        They can’t change the portrait of the Last Supper. God would be really angry. She really would !!

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        • JamesArthur says:

          Interesting point – if, as the BBC wimmins hour, would like us to believe God is a woman – why has she apparently put men in charge?

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    • StewGreen says:

      Discussing *visual* art on the RADIO
      is a BBC trope

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    • Woolwich says:

      Did the artist say this? Because off the top of my head and without looking at the image I’m pretty sure that Marilyn Monroe is on there and something in the back of my mind is telling me that Mother Theresa is too.

      Edit, Mother Theresa isn’t but Shirley Temple appears three times, Mae West, Diana Dors, Marlene Dietrich, pictures of Petty and Vargas Girls, a cloth Grandmother, the Indian Goddess Lakshmi, some female statuettes and Snow White. That’s a few.

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  28. StewGreen says:

    Any agenda pushing today from the BBC GreenBlob Propaganda pushing dept ?

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    • G says:

      SG,
      Wot this Shukman:
      “Shukman was born in 1958 in St. Pancras, London. He is of Jewish ancestry – his grandfather, whom he is named after, was part of the Jewish community who lived in Baranow, Poland, before emigrating and settling in the United Kingdom.[1] His father’s name was Harold Shukman; he was a Russian scholar at St Antony’s College, Oxford,[2]. Shukman’s mother was Ann King-Farlow, also a Russian scholar, of writers such as Alexander Men (a Russian theologian). Shukman attended the Dragon School and Eton College, then read Geography at Durham University gaining a BA.[3] He graduated with an upper second in 1980[4] and was a member of Hatfield College.[5]”
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Shukman
      A 2:1 Degree in Geography. That’s useful as a, “Science Editor”

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    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      As ever with the BBC, “climate change” is illustrated by steam coming from cooling towers.

      Note to BBC: CO2 is an invisible trace gas. Only Greta Thunberg can see it.

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      • Mustapha Sheikup al-Beebi says:

        Well said! The BBC and climate alarmists lie and lie again with such photos and their subliminal messages of dark satanic mills, etc. Water vapour does NOT equate to pollution.

        Also, CO2 is a trace gas present in the earth’s atmosphere at only 400 parts per million; or 4 parts per 10,000; or, if you prefer, 0.04 of 1% of the gases present (78% nitrogen, 21% Oxygen, 1% others).

        According to Dr Patrick Moore (ex-Greenpeace, not the late TV astronomer) if that 400 figure above declined towards 150 parts per million, it would be seriously harmful to plant growth as plants need a source of carbon.

        Not that the BBC would ever tell you most of this, because “the science is settled”, dontcha know?

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      • Ian Rushlow says:

        The BBC have been reprimanded on this type of imagery since at least 2008, as it violates their own guidelines. As RiC points out, CO2 – the Gas of Life – is invisible. The pictures of steam are often taken against the Sun, so as to mislead people into believing it is smoke. Analysis of some of the photos used has shown that they have been processed in PhotoShop to increase the contrast (it leaves digital markers behind in the images).

        https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2014/11/13/harrabin-ignores-bbc-guidelines-on-cooling-tower-images/

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  29. tarien says:

    There is one issue that has to be faced in the forthcoming general election, an issue that was one the main considerations as to why people voted to leave the EU in 2016 and that is NON EU IMMIGRATION. Let’s put some facts down to clear the air. Annual non-EU net migration has more than doubled, from 89,000 in 1997 to 214,000 in 2018-The non-EU born population has increased by just a little under two million since 2004. It now stands at nearly six million-Nearly half of non-EU born residents (or some four million people) say they came to the UK for family-related reasons-doubtful-There is a considerable body of research on the fiscal impact of immigration and all analysis suggests that non-EU immigrants in the UK cost the UK taxpayer many £billions each year. During the 2017 General Election, the government made a promise to ‘bear down’ on non-EU immigration-Yet, in their current form, the government’s post-Brexit immigration proposals carry a serious risk of increasing. The 2018 level of 214,000 was made up of gross non-EU inflows of 325,000 and gross non-EU emigration of 111,000 – very serious in many ways and quite unsustainable and rather in the action of destroying our country and culture. The Labour/Lim Dems and I fear the present Conservatives cannot be relied upon to bring this impending disaster to a halt.

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  30. Doobster78 says:

    Normally agree with Piers Morgan on most things these days , however, i really do not get the fuss about this video editing of Kier Starmer !!! I really don’t.

    Its clear the point of the video is show how unclear the Labour Policy on Brexit is, and it does just that. Minutes of Suzanna Reid trying to get a clear answer, also Piers. Starmer was blundering his way round it , clearly showing that Labour are clueless on their Brexit policy. Yes, theres a small edit at the end, but its insignificant. Completely irrelevant.

    The point of the video had already been made. Clear as day.

    Talk about much a do about nothing !!!

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  31. Doublethinker says:

    Not the BBC but one of their Remainer elite allies in the MSM, The Times. The Times has been virulently Pro a Remain and Globalist ever since the referendum was mooted in 2015 and consequently it supports global business to the hilt. It has frequently feted Keir Starmer and his Leave but really Remain slight of hand lies. If he were Labour leader I am certain that the Times would back Labour. It’s loves Keir much more than Boris.
    But Corbyn and McDonald are still in power in Labour and are real threats to those businesses that the Times supports and of course to those employed by them and to the tax revenue that they provide. But the Tory party , which the Times usually supports , is committed to the Boris deal which the Times isn’t keen on . Many on this site think that deal is a sell out but it is a deal too far for the Times to support.
    So the newspaper of record has a dilemma, after years of pro Remain propaganda it is now having to choose between Marxism or Leaving( after a fashion) . Slowly but surely the newspaper is deciding that Corbyn is a bigger threat to its readership than Leaving will ever be. It’s great fun to watch as the stories about the disaster of the Boris deal disappear from its pages and those about the disaster of Corbyn and his gang of anti Semitic Marxist thugs appear ever more frequently. The Times is close to accepting that it will have to support Boris.
    The BBC of course is of course anti business and only accepts the Marxist part of globalism, so it has no such dilemma ,it would support anything but leaving no matter how gentle the departure is.

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    • StewGreen says:

      If you read the comments beneath Times articles , the top comments almost always call out the Times journos narrative tricks

      .. If anyone has a current account they could add me , cos my paswword has runout.

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