Weekend Thread 28 September 2019

This week two BBC TV current affairs presenters have been found to be overtly biased by their own corrupt organisation . Naga manchetty falsely accused President trump of being a racist . Emily Maitliss was found to have ‘bullied’ an interviewee on Newsnight .

It remains to be seen whether this will have any effect on these biased women and whether BBC discipline procedures are of any value at all. To add even more heat – plenty of non white lefty journalists are ganging up on the BBC complaints department

Brexit is becoming even more heated and I’d like to thank everyone contributing to this site for the restraint they are showing as we watch the country being turned into a dictatorship .

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537 Responses to Weekend Thread 28 September 2019

  1. Doobster78 says:

    No words required !!!!! Apart from HYPOCRITE !!!

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    • G says:

      Doob,
      “You lay down with dogs you get fleas”
      ‘Goose and Gander and all that:
      ‘If you continually rub shoulders with thickos, you become a thicko’.

         23 likes

      • john in cheshire says:

        And birds of a feather flock together.

        And soon, many of the swamp rats will learn that there’s no honour among thieves – or swamp rats.

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  2. Guest Who says:

    ‘Long-awaited’. They seemed less keen on John Humphrys’ effort.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0008p6h?

    Looks like Naga is yesterday’s news.

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  3. Absolute Shower says:

    I thought followers of this site might like to see some of the replies to Arthur Scargill’s letter in the Telegraph last week, as was posted earlier here as a copy of a Tweet.

    I’ve copied the letters here:

    SIR – Wonders never cease. Arthur Scargill shows support for a Conservative Prime Minister (Letters, September 26).
    I suspect Mr Scargill voted Leave in common with the many Labour-held constituencies in the North that have been betrayed by their party and, in a number of instances, by their MP. Good on him.
    Ron Mason
    East Grinstead, west Sussex

    SIR – Brexit makes British politics weirder by the day. Now, not only have I read a contribution to the Telegraph’s Letters page from the redoubtable Arthur Scargill, but I also find myself agreeing with him.
    Michael Cleary
    Bulmer, North Yorkshire.

    SIR – I could never in a million years have imagined myself writing this but: hooray for Arthur Scargill!
    Lesley Barnes
    Henfield, West Sussex

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  4. StewGreen says:

    I made the mistake of switching on Radio4 9:10am on #BroadcastingHouse @IanBlackfordMP was being interviewed
    ‘Oh you see we have to have a vote of no confidence
    so we can overthrow Boris and have a general election’
    @bbcpaddy made no challenges
    he didn’t ask “but Boris just offered a general election and you voted AGAINST it”

    PS It’s a bit ironic
    #1 That the Independence for Scotland party is determined to stop England/Wales getting independence
    #2 THe SNP to complain that Boris has a minority government
    when in the Scottish parliament the SNP are in minority government

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  5. Tabs says:

    Usual Andrew Marr bias today. He constantly interrupted Boris Johnson and kept ignoring Boris’s answers and kept returning to a previous question hoping to get the answer he wanted.

    At the end of the farce he interviewed Labour’s Angela Rayner and gave her a easy ride all the way through. Even when she said she wanted all private schools to close and votes for 16 year olds Marr didn’t offer any counter argument. The least he could have asked her was “were you responsible when you were 16?”. To which she could have replied “yes, I dropped out of school age 15 and pregnant”.

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  6. StewGreen says:

    More Daniel Hannan

       28 likes

  7. StewGreen says:

    On @LBC Alistair Campbell
    “powerful me, I’ve never had an agenda … look over there at Dominic Cummings”
    … PR people constantly say things they know aren’t true

       22 likes

    • john in cheshire says:

      I don’t understand why Nigel Farage had this odious creature, Mr Campbell, on his programme so often. I’d rather hear from Tommy Robinson but that’s never going to happen.

         21 likes

  8. Ed Hitter says:

    The most important story of the day has to be the Mail on Sunday’s splash about a probe into links between European governments and the MPs who allegedly worked together on the “surrender” Act to block Brexit.
    These same anti democratic MPs have also supposedly got a plan for another law to enable the vile pipsqueak Bercow to bypass the PM and go straight to Brussels to get a Brexit delay.
    Important, constitutionally explosive, certainly anti democratic developments – but where are they on the BBC?
    Nowhere. Not on its news coverage, not on its website, skirted over as the only major headline not discussed by the paper review panel on Marr.
    The Jennifer Arcuri non story is everywhere – of course it is, it’s Boris bashing.
    But the BBC yet again shows its blatant bias by omission – alleged collusion between some MPs and foreign governments to thwart a British democratic process is apparently not deemed newsworthy by our state broadcaster.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7516083/No-10-probes-MPs-foreign-collusion-amid-plot-John-Bercow-send-surrender-letter-Brussels.html

       41 likes

  9. StewGreen says:

    BBC and Guardianlalaland obsessed with making up fantasies about “far right”

       24 likes

    • john in cheshire says:

      I thought it is the satanic sign for 666.

         8 likes

    • G says:

      SG
      Well before anyone’s thoughts strayed to the possibility of the current Marxist drive to undermine everything and everyone trying to do their best, the hand signal was used by divers representing, ‘OK’.

         17 likes

  10. Peter Grimes says:

    Pandy Marr interrupts BoJo every few seconds and allows over made-up, flat-vowelled Angela Rayner to spout her lying propaganda without pause.

       51 likes

  11. taffman says:

    An ominous headline coming from a German newspaper……………..
    ” Alarming Message”, ” Germany Seeks to Limit EU Budget Contribution”
    Will Al Beeb’s European economic researchers look into it ?

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  12. taffman says:

    “Brexit: ‘Clear’ support in Wales to get it done, says leader”
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-49864921
    Note the photo shown of the flag waving . It tells the opposite?

       21 likes

  13. StewGreen says:

    Impartial Kay, hits the wine on a Sunday morning

       21 likes

    • Jeff says:

      I don’t think Boris looks “shifty”. The poor bloke’s trying to avert his gaze from the hideous apparition sitting in front of him; the ghastly jug eared skeleton that goes by the name of Andrew Marr. And who could blame him?
      And when Skeletor is berating Boris about using dangerous or hurty words like “Surrender” you’d think he might have thought twice about his own phrasing “Crush the 48% of Remainers.” Sound very Marxist to me…
      If you’re a right wing Brexiteer you don’t go to be interviewed on the BBC these days. You go there for an in depth character assassination, to be endlessly interrupted and to put up with puerile snide references about your personal life.
      And then the Labour Remainer come on the be interviewed and guess what.
      Nice cosy chat…

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    • StewGreen says:

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  14. Siempre Recht says:

    Can’t take it anymore! I switch on BBC1, 2 BMEs presenting. Change to C4 for the breakfast show, Tracy Ann Oberman (an alleged actress) is talking about her new book or show / radio show?, how she interviews her fellow Jews and BMEs, about how dreadful the UK is for them! This is now on steroids; it’s literally impossible to get away from it! Solutions?

       24 likes

    • taffman says:

      Siempre Recht
      Its called Brainwashing.
      Cut off their ‘life supply’ stop paying the Tax that robs from the poor and gives to the rich.
      Simples

         24 likes

    • Kaiser says:

      I can think of a simple solution for all these unhappy people whilst their free movement to the EU is still available

         9 likes

  15. StewGreen says:

    YAB’s article I am a Migrant*. Treat me with Respect

    @MartinTwigs68 replied
    I’m a leave voter! One of the majority, treat my vote with respect

    =============
    * the word should be”immigrant”, they are playing language tricks
    (and there is nothing wrong about being a legal immigrant)

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  16. StewGreen says:

    Ex Foreign Secretary David Miliband’s pay soars to $911,000 at US refugee charity.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7516155/Million-dollar-Miliband-Former-Labour-Ministers-pay-soars-911-000-refugee-charity.html

       16 likes

  17. StewGreen says:

    That extraordinary difficult thing of finding hypocrisy from metroLiberals
    Jess Phillips : September vs July

       27 likes

  18. taffman says:

    \\UK ‘may well’ leave EU without a Brexit deal on 31 October, says British health minister Matt Hancock//
    Its not on Al Beeb yet , perhaps they will catch up ?

       18 likes

  19. john in cheshire says:

    I’ll bet this is another report that the racist far-left bbc collective aren’t covering. The inhuman treatment of Julian Assange incarcerated in Belmarsh prison:

    https://21stcenturywire.com/2019/08/28/julian-assange-deprivation-of-justice-and-double-standards-in-belmarsh-prison/

       15 likes

  20. taffman says:

    While the people of Hong Kong are desperately fighting for Democracy, we have lemmings in this country rushing to “fall of a cliff” and lose it to Europe. Democracy was hard won but easily lost .
    Has Al Beeb featured Hong Kong or even the “Yellow Vests” in France this weekend yet ?

       26 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      The deleted tweet
      The replacement story is headlined : “Government plans billions for hospital projects”
      EFn2gBxXkAAlgny.jpg:small

         7 likes

      • StewGreen says:

        Old headline : Government plans 40 new hospitals and a new mental health services pilot
        New headline : Government plans billions for hospital projects
        The radio news made it clear the 40 building projects are mostly 36 x £100m add ons to older hospitals
        plus 6 brand news hospitals

           10 likes

  21. chancygardner says:

    Don’t you just wish that Boris had just taken his old school jacket off and given Marr a bit of ‘Bob Hawke’?

       15 likes

  22. G says:

    Forward thinking seems out of fashion these days. But nevertheless in 2014 the Daily Mail told us that there were 1500 old lampposts still in active service in London.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2848038/The-magical-job-Britain-Enchanting-story-gas-street-lights-five-men-burning-just-did-Dickens-day.html
    These, as the photograph shows, still have the two horizontal ladder resting’s.
    Question?: assuming the 1500 remain, will that be enough to use for a different purpose?
    Here’s the thing for the, ‘Woke’ people, my reference to ladder rests on lampposts goes with the words, ‘dangling’ and ‘twitching’…………..

       9 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      steady on, we are not going to be hanging politicians from lampposts
      ..I bet half of them are puppets in any case.

         10 likes

  23. StewGreen says:

    Noah Carl : writing about the culture of lefty intolerance that pervades
    and got him removed from a Cambridge job
    screenshot

       6 likes

  24. Doobster78 says:

    So, Lammy tweets earlier about the Lefts new fad “dangerous” language in politics. Up there on his pedestal.

    Minutes later, this

    They just don’t get the meaning of hypocrisy the left do they !!! Amazing.

    Good to see piers calling him out

       27 likes

  25. StewGreen says:

    @HackneyAbbott Labour won’t scapegoat the people who have made our country their home and contributed to our society –
    @AngelaRayner standing up against the Tories’ dogwhistle racism on #Marr

    Still in denial that anti-Jewish Labour is the party with a known racism problem

       15 likes

  26. StewGreen says:

    BBC : “GNU Government of National Unity”
    Reality : a partisan government entirely of Remain-ultras.

       14 likes

    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Stew- I frequently wrote on this site that I was expecting Treezer, as a pupil of Merkel, to go for a GNU, for exactly the reason you list. It’s worked for Merkel (the ‘Christian’ Democrats actually happy to bypass the Socialists on the left to set the pace, thus spawning the AfD) and I think it would have worked for Treezer.
      She then went and ruined it for herself by declaring boldly that ‘Brexit is Brexit’, which said nothing but made her look committed to the ‘Leave’ cause. Then she cooked up her ‘deal’, which seemed to show that Brexit wasn’t quite Brexit, after all. Credibility shafted.
      Since then Remainers have been dreaming up things we “didn’t vote against” from Customs Union and Single Market to ‘leaving without a deal’, for which they say there is thus ‘no democratic mandate’. Never have I seen so much ‘creative thinking’ going on in politics in such a short time, as the very essence of language and its meaning was trashed.
      When I voted to leave, it did not enter my head that there should be a ‘deal’ before departure: it has a flavour of half in and half out, and -as we know from pregnancy- that doesn’t work, cos you either are or you aren’t.

         16 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      Stew
      I’m overseas and can’t get the BBC . Heartbroken . But I think your warning about people mentioning MPs and lamp posts is correct – . Lamp posts have feeling too and are much too valuable ….
      As for banning language on this site – I personally find the term ‘ GNU Government of National Unity’ deeply offensive and is not a proper term for ‘coup’ which if what it will be if it happens in the next 21 days .

      On the upside – the barking and ‘nam communist collective (labour ) party have put their MP Maggie hodge – up for ‘reselection ‘ .

      Maggie has done well reinventing herself in recent years but I have a long memory and remember what she was like a good few years ago in the same boat as Jeremy , Ken livingstone et al .
      She know that if she goes quietly she get the peerage but with a bit of luck – due to the Labour Party / momentum dislike for semetism she fight it . Strange how they waited until just after the labour conference to stick the knife in ( I’ve self reported myself to the constabulary ). . . .

         13 likes

      • StewGreen says:

        @FedUp it’s another example of Ambush-Naming again
        where “unity government ” = 100% MINORITY controlled government
        uniting the country by throwing the views of 17.4m people in the dustbin

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  27. Dover Sentry says:

    Apparently, Boris was interrupted 83 times on the BBC Andrew Marr show this morning.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Wow – how long was the interview ? An interruption every 10 seconds – Nigel Farage must have seen he has company when it comes to the biased state broadcaster .

      ( the marr – Farage encounter is memorably bad – and I thought marr looked ashamed of the questions he was asking )

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  28. pugnazious says:

    Labour’s Angela Rayner said Mr Johnson should be “absolutely, utterly ashamed of himself”.

    That’ll be the Angela Rayner who thoroughly enjoyed John McDonnell’s anecdote of how he wanted to assassinate Thatcher….

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1504626/john-mcdonnell-joked-about-assassinating-thatcher-four-years-after-saying-sorry-for-the-tasteless-joke/

    ‘Mr McDonnell said: “I got into trouble once when I was on Any Questions and I was asked a question about Ashes To Ashes, that programme that was on TV about people going back in time.

    “They asked me ‘if you could go back in time what act would you do?’

    “And I said I’d go back and most probably – I wanted to say section Thatcher but I said assassinate Thatcher.
    “And I’m not joking, this was in Wales, the Any Questions was, and the audience got up and I literally got the biggest applause I’ve had in my life.

    “They had to quieten them down before they could broadcast again.

    “I was on a phone-in later and some colonel from Surrey phoned up and I thought he was having a coronary.

    “I said: ‘Look, I’m really sorry if I’ve upset you in that way.’

    “But there was massive support for actually assassinating Margaret Thatcher.’

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Shows the power of group think doesnt it ? If he’d have gone on to calculate how long it would take to kill all the members of the Conservative Party they’d have been having a right old larff at cheerful John ‘ uncle’ McDonnell .

      The leader in waiting of the ‘ coup ‘

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  29. pugnazious says:

    Boris Johnson: ‘Do you understand?…[the context and reasons for saying ‘humbug’]’

    Marr: ‘I don’t quite understand….[but that’s not going to stop me from keeping on accusing you of doing something you haven’t done and not say a word about the hypocritical, cynical, opportunistic weaponisation of this by Labour]’

    I would think it was easy to understand if you just apply a little bit of thought instead of leaping in with both feet because you have an agenda to push….you want to be on the side of the angels and don’t dare criticise the ‘Jo Cox Card’ waving hydra that Labour has spawned and which grubbily grasps the moral high ground …and yet is quite happy to disinter a dead woman to exploit for their malicious and malign cause as they lie about and slander Boris to gain political advantage.

    These people, the Paula Sheriffs etc of this world, wrap themselves in the mantle of what is almost a religion, granting themselves dubious moral authority….divinely sanctioned and given its blessing by the BBC to those it wants to favour and given a cloak of pseudo-religiosity that shields and jusitifies the most outrageous actions and behaviour whilst allowing them to condemn and demonise those the Left/BBC want to target.

    It’s an age old trick….God’s will, as done by his servants on Earth [in the BBC/Left] must be obeyed…if not you’re a heretic and metaphorically burnt at the stake…after having been ritually broken and forced to repent…ala Marr & Co repeatedly trying to force Boris to apologise…..for what?

    Perfect example…Islam…a bloodthirsty warlord rampages and pillages his way across the Middle East taking loot, land and sex slaves and invents a justification for it…. it’s all sanctioned by God…God wants you to do it…and the loot is your reward for doing it. No doubt Marr would have asked Christians to apologise for being Christian and getting blood on the Muslim priests’ swords….Islam is the Religion of Peace afterall.

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  30. pugnazious says:

    Labour Party conference 2016 [and probably every other year]

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  31. StewGreen says:

    Facebook has gone Stalinist over Mr Redacted
    ‘ No we can’t show evidence of him doing something wrong,
    .. but we have classed him as a “HATE PREACHER”, and we have rules about them’
    Anyone daring to speak positively about Mr Redacted is sent off to the gulags
    FB will ONLY allow SLANDEROUS sick LIES about Mr Redacted on their platform!
    They will allow people to PREACH HATE AGAINST him and people who support him.

    This is Right out of the Communist Soviet Union’s playbook for handling dissidents.

    The principle should be that all humans are treated equally, not that you can arbitrarily slap a label on someone without any judicial process and then eternally unperson them.

    I can imagine a black woman might be concerned about gentrification of a black Chicago neighbourhood
    .. and even use clumsy language like
    ‘stop rich white people taking over our neighbourhood’,
    .. but they’d never class her as a hate-preacher .. so that is not equality.
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/09/caught-on-tape-facebook-admits-if-you-dare-say-something-nice-about-tommy-robinson-you-get-banned-only-critical-comments-will-be-allowed-video/

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  32. pugnazious says:

    Peter Hitchens states the bald and very disturbing truth…

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7516449/Liberals-soon-regret-power-wielded-Supreme-Court-judges-writes-PETER-HITCHENS.html

    ‘As one very senior judge has admitted, this country’s grandest lawyers, ambitious to extend their reach, have recently developed methods that might be called the Baldrick Strategy – cunning and subtle ways of inventing laws out of nothing.

    If not swiftly and firmly curbed, the Court can now use equally vague and feeble pretexts to start striking down any government action it does not like, urged on by wealthy individuals or corporations who share its liberal world view.’

    The BBC, despite having both Lord Hennessey and Lord Sumption on, both very, very pro-EU, and both admitting this was a hugely signiifcant power-grab by the Court, seems to have failed to notice anything is wrong.

    You may have thought the BBC, which boasts that its main duty is to uphold democracy and to hold power to account has gone awol.

    But….It likes the decision. Thus it will say nothing. ‘We are not impartial on left-wing, uber-liberal court decisions that go our way even if they corrupt and overturn the constitution, convention and indeed the law itself.’

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Pug
      From my law school days – we were always encouraged to reading House of Lords dissenting judgements to give a bit of clarity about an important judgement . But in this case all 11 agreed the outcome – despite who was on the court in England in the lower decision which they overturned – namely

      The lord Chief Justice
      The master of the rolls
      The president of the Queens Bench .

      Three big hitters but their judgement was struck down by a biased – some might say – corrupt Supreme Court improperly with skin in the game – ie receiving money – pensions from the EU- maybe at least 8 of them .

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      • taffman says:

        Fedup2
        A case for the MI5 ?
        Someone must be updating our PM?

           5 likes

        • Fedup2 says:

          Taffman
          I’m sure there is a battle going on between the intelligence outfits of various european states – particularly the Stasi and the frogs to get an advantage .

          Some might say our enemies don’t need to work too hard because there are plenty of traitors like Benn, Grieve , Rudd Et al queuing up to undermine the uk interest in favour of that of the ReichEU.

          I admit – I read the ‘ surrender ‘ act yesterday and I thought the language – drafting looked — foreign .

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      • The WestWyvern says:

        I’m sure Iread somewhere, maybe on this site, that any criticism of the EUSSR by current or former ’employees’ automatically disqualifies them from receiving their gold plated pensions.

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  33. Halifax says:

    I see that the BBC are reporting the the Health Secretary is looking at compulsory vaccinations for School children.
    The BBC state that :
    Measles is highly infectious and can cause serious health complications, including damaging the lungs and brain.

    There were more than 82,500 cases in Europe in 2018 – the highest number in a decade and three times the total reported in 2017.

    Of course the politically correct BBC won’t say that the in rese is due to uninoculated migrants oh no that wouldn’t be pc would it.
    So they will keep politically correct and not look at the real issue and put our kids in harms way.
    Utterly despicable….

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  34. pugnazious says:

    As with the previous post…just astounding how the constituion and conventions are being trashed y Remian supporting MPs, Lords and Courts….and the BBC remains silent.

    The Remain parliament votes in laws to suit itself and to give itself power to take over government and the BBC not only doesn’t object it actually encourages…just the other day the Today programme was asking when Remain was going to take over the order paper…ie hijack government.

    The Mail today reports that they now want to essentially make Bercow Prime Minister and have him take over negotiations with the EU…..nothing on the BBC about this astounding report….

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7516083/No-10-probes-MPs-foreign-collusion-amid-plot-John-Bercow-send-surrender-letter-Brussels.html

    ‘Downing Street has launched a major investigation into alleged links between foreign governments and the MPs behind the ‘Surrender Act’ which could force Boris Johnson to delay Brexit, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

    Sources said No 10 took the unprecedented action after officials received intelligence that the MPs, including former Cabinet Minister Oliver Letwin, had received help drafting the Bill from members of the French Government and the European Union.

    This newspaper has also learned that the rebel MPs have drawn up plans for a second Act which would allow Commons Speaker John Bercow to bypass the Prime Minister if he cannot strike a deal to leave the EU on October 31.

    The new law would allow Mr Bercow to personally ask Brussels for a further delay on behalf of the Commons.

    The rebels have even discussed using the legislation to give Mr Bercow the power to appoint a new British commissioner to the EU, with pro-Remain former Home Secretary Amber Rudd mentioned as a candidate.’

    A Remain dictatorship that invents laws in Parliament and the Courts, that hijacks Government, that tries to depose a Prime Minister by stealth and put in a Remain puppet, that wants to ‘bring down the government’ in order to impose a Remain friendly one…..and Boris proroguing Parliament is a constitutional crisis? Seems like he was actually protecting the constitution and democracy. Same can’t be said about the BBC.

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  35. taffman says:

    Are London Stabbings , Hong Kong demonstrations and the ‘Yellow Vests’ becoming so common that Al Beeb don’t report them any more or, is there some ulterior motive to keep quiet about them ?

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Taffman
      I reckon it’s not at the level of ‘D’ Notice but I’m sure publishers have been given ‘ advisory ‘ advice about not bigging up events which might give people ideas such as protesting for non approved things like brexit or ‘ coups’ .

      Their other Ally is that any demonstration which is not of the left is automatically labelled as far or extreme or hard Right and therefore an easy target for the ‘ condemn ‘ industry so prevalent on the state broadcaster .

      The MSM has been doing a bit of a case study job in smearing the PM in the run up to the abbreviated party conference -. On the current pattern there must be a remain planted ‘ whistle blower’ due to make various allegations . I’m betting on a ‘ blacking up ‘ picture from some party 20 years ago ….

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  36. taffman says:

    Remember Project Fear – No medicine after Brexit ?
    Well, just look at what can be done in an emergency airlift……………..
    “The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) says it has now flown a total of 61,000 Thomas Cook customers back to the UK, taking the total to 40% of passengers.”
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49849738

    Just substitute 61,000 people for medicine.
    “Project fear” propaganda promulgated by traitors to ‘our’ Great Britain .
    I think Germany has forgotten the ‘Berlin Airlift’?

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    • Piku says:

      Interesting example taffman. Passengers’ rights are protected by EU legislation. Good job that Thomas Cook’s collapse didn’t take place post Brexit isn’t it.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Piku
        Unless I am misreading your comment – it really is nice to hear from a Remainer on the site .
        Are you making an assumption that in the post EU world the UK will water down consumer rights/ arrangements such as those invoked post Thomas Cook ?

        I think there would be considerable resistance to such common sense arrangements . Also -.a lot of aviation treaties are made out side of the EU at national level so pulling out of the ReichEU at last won’t affect safety and other air regulation .

        Happy for you to tell me I’m wrong though.

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        • Bogtrotter says:

          Fedup2, Piku
          Thomas Cook was covered by ATOL (Air Travel Organiser’s Licence) which covers flight-based holidays. It’s essentially a financial protection scheme operated by the UK Civil Aviation Authority (CAA), and is therefore outside of EU control.
          For design, manufacture, maintenance, etc, the UK is currently a member of the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA), which is the EU equivalent of the FAA in the US.
          If we leave the EU with a deal, continued membership of EASA will be up for discussion as part of a future relationship. If we leave without a deal, the UK CAA has already taken steps to approve organisations performing the aforementioned tasks at a national level.
          Many UK-based EASA-approved design organisations (DOA’s) have already moved their operations to EU member states to prepare for Brexit and ensure continuity of business. An option remains to become a ‘third country’ EASA DOA post-Brexit, but such organisations have a limited scope of approval for airworthiness matters.
          As with most divorces, it’s all a bit of a mess. However, it is well known within the industry that EASA employees have been forbidden to speak to their UK CAA counterparts, which hasn’t exactly helped preparations for the future.

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          • Fedup2 says:

            Bogtrotter – thank you very much and if you are ‘new’ welcome . I’d heard about the EASA antics with respect to the CAA but I suppose it is only the kind of spite we will experience after we leave .

            Also – the kraut bit of Thomas Cook was saved by its government – I think the CEO was of the Reich too. Count those bonuses…

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            • Bogtrotter says:

              Thanks Fedup2. Yes, first post from a long-time lurker.
              TWW, I’d also heard that report about the Condor employees, but I suppose you can hardly blame them for celebrating their survival. I understand the company is quite profitable, although needs a loan from Frau Merkel in the short term to avoid bankruptcy.

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        • The WestWyvern says:

          Not sure I’ve seen many EUSSR countries airlines scrambling to help in the TC airlift over the last few days.

          In fact I heard a radio report early in the week (not the far left RBC) that German employees were castigated after postings on social media saw them laughing and celebrating as the German part of the TC aircraft operation and their jobs were saved following an intervention by the Kraut Government. Unlike their UK counterparts.

          Anyhow good to see that the max incontinent pikey is up and out during daylight hours.

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        • taffman says:

          Fedup2
          He’s back in his safe space with maxi, waiting for advice from his ‘line manager’ before he gives answer .

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          • Fedup2 says:

            Taffman
            I’ll await a constructive reply from piku – particularly after what ‘bogtrotter ‘ has helpfully said – otherwise it’s just one of those – dive in – shouty post – then run away types who come here every once in a while .

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        • Piku says:

          Are you assuming that replacement legiislation protecting Consumer Rights will be in place as from Nov 1st 2019?

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          • Fedup2 says:

            Piku
            Good to hear from you . Replacement legislation would depend on the support of the 500 traitors wouldn’t it .

            Assuming that they are still too cowardly to support a call for an election then I doubt whether alt legislation would be in place

            Remainers will be doing anything to engineer harm to the British people to demonstrate that we should never have left their precious ReichEU. And I’m sure you’d agree with that Piku.- maybe you should read what bogtrotter said about the aviation situation .

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      • taffman says:

        maxi…. Piku ?
        We leave the EU with the same rights as already legislated when we were members, until of course with freedom and independence, we can change them if we wish.
        The Berlin Airlift happened a long, long time before we ‘joined’ (were taken in without a vote) the EU.
        It was before you were born.

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  37. Celtic_Mist says:

    The BBC has no expertise in anything other than propaganda.

    The target audience may welcome this whilst the minority itself probably won’t.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0008wsp

    It may also have as much to fear from the community it wishes to be part of –

    “Just over half of all black, Asian and minority ethnic LGBT people (51 per cent) report experiencing discrimination or poor treatment within their local LGBT network because of their ethnicity. This number rises to three in five black LGBT people (61 per cent).”

    https://www.stonewall.org.uk/cy/node/79901

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  38. Celtic_Mist says:

    Has Boris been arrested?

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    • taffman says:

      Celtic_Mist
      I doubt if that rabble represents Manchester.
      How many Antifa supporters are there ?
      Note the lack of BAME faces in the ‘crowd’, I can’t see many disabled people there either ?
      Could be students from the Department of Media and Drama at the Manchester Metropolitan University?

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      • G.W.F. says:

        That particular bloc looks like an antifa or anarchist bloc. The question is why did the police allow them to get so close to the PM. He could have been hit with a lethal weapon.

        Manchester is a shithole of the worse kind, I say having lived there for nearly 20 years, leaving after repeated burglaries and muggings from cuddly BAMES

        On this occasion the BAMES will be under the control of the unions
        and Labour, and will not be seen to be offensive.

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        • cromwell says:

          Yes I agree it’s a terrible place now. I was born there 1946 and left 1995 when I could see how it was going. When I think of the 1950s and 1960s hardworking people, you were looked down on if you were out of work as there was plenty of it there.I dont recognise now. Years ago I used to go to Stockport market, great place for everything then that went downhill and longsight and levenshulme is a place you would drive though fast without stopping at all. I had go go to a funeral in Burnage a couple of years ago and I couldn’t believe the disgusting state of the filthy place, I was worried about my car.The shops reminded me of Pakistan or Afghanistan villages. GWF.. try to leave if you can, it will only get worse.

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    • cromwell says:

      Welcome Boris and I must apologize for scum who profess to be mancunians. They have been bussed in, I heard a trade unionist from Liverpool on TV a couple of nights ago saying he wasnt going even through the unions etc are putting on free buses for anyone who wanted to go, he said it wasnt fair as the labour party had their conference without problems. I thought well that is one decent labour member. All that rubbish thrown around, I wonder if they will clear it up before they go ( climate emergency and all that)
      I was born and brought up in Manchester, it was a proud city then. Full of history and the people were so hard working. Oh dear how the mighy have fallen.

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      • taffman says:

        cromwell
        They don’t appear to be hard working mancunians, more like meeja students from the yoonie .

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        • cromwell says:

          I agree taff, just the unwashed and hatey scum.

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          • G.W.F. says:

            These are Mancunians. This is Rusholme, about a mile down the road from Oxford Road, where the two yoonies are located. These are Mancunians enjoying one their rituals..

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            • cromwell says:

              Please dont call them mancunians my parents will turn in their grave, they are no more mancunians than I am Parisian. They are invaders.

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              • G.W.F. says:

                cromwell
                I agree, they are invaders. Sadly they are rapidly replacing Mancunians, and a generation are being brought up to recognise them as British and Mancunians. You won’t see their children in white dresses and best cloths marching in the Whit Walks.

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      • Mrs Kitty says:

        @ Cromwell at 4.58pm Re the decent Trade Unionist I wouldn’t give much for his chances once momentum works out who he is.

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    • Doobster78 says:

      Bang on. They are making my blood boil !!! I really don’t mind counter arguments , everyone has the right to their own opinion , but it’s just the sheer hypocrisy that irks me !!! Can’t stand it.

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  39. StewGreen says:

    What type of people put effigies of MPs from lamposts ?
    If you look at the anti-Tory banner on a Manchester motorway bridge
    you’ll spot it’s weighed down with two effigies

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  40. pugnazious says:

    I await the BBC pushback on this…no doubt JRM will be accused of scaremongering and stoking, fuelling, inflaming fear and anger…against poor old Remain MPs….lots of noise, distractions and accusations to avoid talking about the actual issue he raises.

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    • The WestWyvern says:

      Course they will push back, he’s perfectly correct in what he says.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      J R-M will only have to sit in the House with his arms crossed the wrong way or with a shoelace untied and the LeftMob of Labour, IllibNonDems and the SNP will go into meltdown.

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  41. Fedup2 says:

    Not the state broadcaster but I thought I’d play the ‘ coup’ game – who is so bad that they are acceptable to all the traitors in the remain junta

    Some one –
    Not hard left
    A Remainer
    Ministerial experience
    Pro scots nationalist
    A former Tory
    Mad
    Insanely ambitious

    I’m plonking for Rory Stewart – I’m guessing he is pro snp and can plays the ‘scots ‘ card

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  42. pugnazious says:

    This amply demonstrates the problem…people who know what is going on, articulate it, express outrage and then….say it’s not happening.[only the first and last part of that is relevant to the BBC..they really don’t want to talk about it, and definitely don’t want to be outraged by it].

    Dan Hodges in the Mail tells us there is a constitutional and democratic crisis occuring where the ‘elite’ have hijacked democracy…however, he says, the government has developed a false narrative of ‘People v’s Parliament’….er…that very same narrative Hodges himself just described and admitted.

    This is the very same line the BBC has taken in the last couple of weeks…they keep sneering and mocking the idea of ‘People v’s Parliament’ and portraying it as a Boris plot to portray himself as the Brexit hero…when in fact it is the plain and unadulterated truth….democracy has been trashed by a Remain dominated ‘dictatorship’ across the board.

    The BBC are hiding that fact from us.

    Note also Hodges’ dishonesty as he claims Boris has changed his tune since becoming leader…

    ‘But over the past few weeks – as his judicial and political opponents have closed in – he has opted to reinvent himself as the Red, White And Blue Hulk. Enemies crushed. Inconvenient conventions smashed. Minor inconveniences, like the rule of law, brushed aside.’

    But Boris made exactly the same firm promise backing Britain and Brexit during the leadership contest….

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48767191

    ‘Mr Johnson said the UK must leave on 31 October “deal or no deal”‘

    Hodges…

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7516237/DAN-HODGES-moment-killed-British-democracy.html

    ‘In Boris Johnson we have a Prime Minister who has been bound in chains by the Supreme Court. We have a Parliament that has been allowed to fall apart both literally and figuratively by a Speaker drunk on his own vanity and corrupted by political partiality. We have a legislature that refuses to legislate, refuses to allow the party of Government to legislate and steadfastly refuses to implement the instructions it was given through two General Elections and the largest democratic exercise in British political history.

    And we have an electorate that is finding itself marshalled further and further away from the scene of the chaos, via an increasingly brutal form of constitutional crowd control, for fear if they are let near a ballot box they may again deliver ‘the wrong result’.

    Over the past week a phrase has been confected to encapsulate this madness – ‘Parliament v The People’. In fact, if you speak to Government insiders, it is more than a phrase, but an entire masterplan constructed by the Prime Minister’s controversial adviser Dominic Cummings.

    But either way, it’s false framing. What we are witnessing is not politicians turning on the people. It’s our political class systematically destroying itself from within.

    Each day Boris trots out the mantra ‘We are leaving on October 31′. But it is increasingly hard to see how. The courts will almost certainly prevent it. If they don’t, MPs will sweep in, remove the Prime Minister, insert one of their own and enforce an extension.’

    And remember how the BBC insisted that Businesses were being ruined by uncertainty…we must get something done urgently, we must know what is happening!….all that is forgotten now….the BBC wants delay, delay, delay….and Hodges notes so do the BBC’s fellow travellers…happy to leave voters and businesses ‘twisting in the wind’…funny that…..

    ‘the true motivation behind the historic Supreme Court challenge was inadvertently revealed in a tweet sent by former Tory rebel Nick Boles.

    ‘Anyone who wants to beat Johnson, and I am one, must understand it will be much easier to do so after he has been compelled to seek and implement an extension. Let him twist in the wind until early November, and then strike,’ he said.

    Remember when Mr Boles and his colleagues were raging against the catastrophic impact of ongoing Brexit paralysis? Jobs were being lost, they warned. The nightmarish uncertainty for families with European dependants or those who relied on drugs from abroad.

    But all that is forgotten now. This morning, we are all twisting in the wind. ‘

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  43. The WestWyvern says:

    Radio 3 doing a words and music piece on the history of Espania.

    5 minutes in and the catawalling of ‘Muslim music’ is blaring out of the speakers.

    I know the moorish occupation of southern Spain shaped their history but boy, the far left RBC never miss an opportunity do they?

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  44. taffman says:

    \\Nigel Farage warns Boris Johnson over ‘reheated Brexit deal’//
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49859818
    If Boris is a genuine Brexiteer he would be well advised to form a ‘coalition’ a ‘non aggression’ pact with The Brexit Party ready for the imminent general election. He needs to look at the number of Brexit Party MEPs that have already taken new seats in the European Parliament.
    One thing for sure is that the other opposition parties will form a bloc to defeat him . Only together with the help of Nigel Farage can he win .

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  45. fakenewswatcher says:

    R4 gave us a ‘Profile’ on Lady Hale, Supreme Court Supremo, this eve.
    She got lotsa ‘firsts’ in her life, apparently. Profile assures us how bright and clever she is. (Besides having Feminist credentials)
    Not bright and clever enough to understand what a majority vote is. Nor what constitutes Democracy. No understanding of numbers, therefore. After 75 years, she has finally failed her biggest test. Probably wanted to prove to Boris, a man, that she’s ‘equal’.
    This was not an occasion for loud jewellery and loud equality statements. This was the time to bring the law in line with common sense and the Will of the People.
    I thought that the ‘unanimity’ of the court was questionable. I now think I know why.

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    • G says:

      Fact is, essentially, the Supreme Court’s decision is based on no case law. It is purely based on the judges personal preference only, apart from the Elephant in the room – Soros – of course. Their preference ultimately, in that respect, can carry no more weight that yours or mine. I cannot support a Bliar Court decision. Signed, LLb (Hons); LLm.

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