465 Responses to Start the week thread 23 September 2019

  1. G.W.F. says:

    The royal woman of colour tells her fellow wimmin of colour in S Africa that she is their sista. She dances with them, and I do believe her bum is beginning to look rather large.

    Next week, we do hope she will visit a few of the persecuted white farmers and promise to speak up for them too.

    Funny how the BBC did not manage to mention that



    • LastChanceSaloon says:

      Dimwitted females dancing, the World’s Least Trusted Broadcaster cannot get enough.
      May, AOC, Warren, now Saxe-Coburg or whatever it is


  2. pugnazious says:

    Interesting to see this from Guido…

    ‘Speaking to Emma Barnett on Radio 5 Live, Theresa May’s former Chief of Staff, Gavin Barwell, has finally admitted the UK was “obviously” wrong to agree to the EU’s demand that the divorce negotiations take place before the future relationship negotiations. Hindsight is a wonderful thing…

    When asked what went wrong in the negotiations, the newly ennobled Lord Barwell said:’

    ‘“[The EU setting the order of negotiations] made it harder… that split is what essentially led to the backstop. Because at the point that you’re having your divorce you haven’t settled what your relationship is going to be like in the future, the EU argued that – both to protect their single market, and also to keep the border in Ireland as it is today – you needed some kind of insurance policy.”’

    Haven’t heard the interview and Barnett’s reaction but the BBC has always claimed that Britain invented the Backstop when it was in fact the Irish in conjunction with the EU who cobbled it together…as reported by the Irish press…calling the backstop ‘dynamite’ because they knew it was designed to blow up negotiations and put all the power and leverage in the EU’s hands.

    This statement clearly shows that the Backstop came from the EU side….the BBC’s claim was fake news intended to shift the blame onto Britain for an idea which is at the root of all the problems in the negotiations. The Backstop was created by us and is thus our problem…that’s what the BBC wants you to believe…it’s a massive lie along with the one about the GFA depending on having no border controls when the GFA said nothing about the border and trade.

    Massive, massive lies from the BBC on critical political issues….all because it wants to stop Brexit.


  3. Sluff says:

    Christmas comes early to BBC news.
    Just as they were facing having to report the dissension at the Labour Party conference ……..Thomas Cook go bust and they can put the evil Tory government on the hook for repatriating at the taxpayers expense all those stranded holidaymakers in Majorca and elsewhere and…shock, horror, some have not returned to the correct airport.
    After a few minutes of Labour conference we were straight on to Boris bashing and a load of dross from Greta Thumberg.
    Trebles all round.


  4. Sluff says:

    Martha Kearney on Toady this morning interviewed some Labour union trot.
    She was…ahem…very polite.
    She asked a question then remained totally silent with no interruptions until the union man had finished.

    How very nice and friendly. We look forward to a similar approach at the Tory conference.


  5. Sluff says:

    The BBC tries to mould the nation into its own liberal left image and staff continue to confuse their own interests with those of the wider world.
    Who says so?
    John Humphrys !!!!!


  6. SPC says:

    You can be right wing without being a complete moron. Greta has been groomed to have the views she has. Don’t blame her – Blame her parents and those who have pushed her forward. Get a grip!


  7. BRISSLES says:

    I normally switch over as soon as I hear the theme to the One Show, but stuck in a project I’ve had to listen to the adolescent chunterings of some reporter informing us of the history of Thomas Cook. This is a diabolical programme. I am considered to have the intelligence of a 12 year old, being spoken to by 12 year old ‘reporters’.

    Where DO they get these youngsters from ? who have no personality, simpering in their delivery, asking puerile questions, and are all ‘yeahs’ and ‘absolutelys’. Clearly not the Joan Bakewells or Robin Days of the future.


  8. StewGreen says:

    7:30 Inside Out regional docos
    Guaranteed to be filled with virtue signalling item
    East Mids
    – Musician Jah Digga grew up in St Ann’s, Nottingham,
    and was faced with two options – gang life or just life. We discover his inspiring story
    – we look back at how Mod culture of the 1960s influenced the East Midlands

    London – an Inside Out special focuses on knife crime
    – As the death toll from fatal stabbings continues to rise, an Inside Out special focuses on knife crime.
    – the trauma faced by kids witnessing knife violence.
    – why police are struggling to catch knife killers.
    – Lula Mebrahtu reveals how fine art is steering youngsters away from crime.

    The Tyneside woman in a failed grooming trial who says the police let her down
    – the northern social media stars hoping to influence the way we
    – the parrots whose love of mortar is costing a pretty penny in one Cumbrian village


    • StewGreen says:

      We meet the Maidstone drag queen who fled from Zimbabwe. (double points !)
      – And could drones replace sheepdogs in Sussex?

      West Midlands
      – the impact of a decade of military service in Afghanistan. Soldiers of the Mercian Regiment, which recruits
      from the Midlands, have experienced triumph and tragedy alike. So how has it affected them ?


      • StewGreen says:

        The prog blurb still says about the Zimbabwean drag clean, but somehow that didn’ make it to air and both billed items were replaced with material from other regions.


        • StewGreen says:

          my typo “drag queen”
          The prog blurb still says about the Zimbabwean drag queen, but somehow that didn’t make it to air and both billed items were replaced with material from other regions.


    • Navets says:

      According to the BBBC, Jah Diggah had two options, gang life, or just life.
      Says it all, really.


    • StewGreen says:

      The Tyneside girl’s case involved 13 Kurdish “much older men”
      and local girls
      She was 12 at the start

      The case collapsed cos the police failed to use the official notebooks
      which are kept secure.
      On the media the police said they had apologised
      The victim said this was not true
      later they released her address


      • StewGreen says:

        There is a BBC news story : Woman calls for apology over Newcastle rape trial collapse

        The CPS refused to answer questions as to why it has passed victim statements to the defence without first cleansing them of address info
        The CPS lawyer involved just retired.
        THe police mistakes are being investigated by THE SAME police.


        • StewGreen says:

          The point is it was the authorities that turned a blind eye to the child abuse in the first place.


  9. Chalkywhite says:


    Looks like the Labour Party can’t count….Or maybe they can, but like Premier League football managers going down 2:1, the losers obviously don’t know the difference between winning or losing. Obviously it’s all the refs fault…So, vote again, and again, and again, until the result is in your favour? (Sound familiar??) Non-binary vote anyone? Although, to be fair, it did look a tad disorganized. Can you imagine if they were to form the next government?


  10. john in cheshire says:

    This video is an Australian member of Parliament speaking at a gathering in Canada but it’s just as relevant for us here in the UK. It’s 21 minutes long but worth the time because for once someone in authority is speaking openly about the UN agenda 21 and the plans these evil bastards worldwide have in store for us all:


    • vlad says:

      In other words, the plan is to move wealth and resources from the efficient West to the inefficient Third World, under the pretext of environmental concerns. (China of course will not take a blind bit of notice and power ahead. Pun intended.)

      And as with every single socialist and communist experiment, the result will not be greater justice but greater poverty for all, except for the plutocrats, oligarchs and technocrats at the top.

      O brave new world.


  11. Jeff says:

    Oh God, it was excruciating!
    I’m just seen young Greta’s climate change speech on Sky and my toes have curled almost inside out.
    The poor exploited kid was clearly close to a complete meltdown…no pun intended.
    “You have stolen my dreams” she told world leaders. “People are dying.” She was so distressed she sounded breathless. She really did look ill.
    I think this is the moment poor Greta was seen to “jump the shark”.
    It was so OTT, she was close to hysterics. I genuinely felt for her.
    It’s a disgrace the way these green Nazis have made use of this poor autistic kid and shameful the way our politicians and media have gone along with this nonsense.
    “I shouldn’t be here” she continued, “I should be back at school.”
    Yes Greta, something we agree on.
    Out of the mouths of babes…


    • davylars says:

      Where do Greta’s speechwriters get their inspiration from.
      Perhaps I am being a little harsh, but I can see great similarities with this..

      Quote……. The purpose of Nazi propaganda was not to brainwash ordinary Germans, and it was not intended to deceive the masses even though it did enable the movement to gain new recruits. The principal objective, according to historian Neil Gregor, was “to absorb the individual into a mass of like-minded people, and the purpose of the ‘suggestion’ was not to deceive but to articulate that which the crowd already believed.

      Also… The sophisticated. Nazi theorist and proponent of propaganda Walther Schulze-Wechsungen wrote:

      “Many a one laughed at the propaganda of the NSDAP [National Socialist German Workers’ Party] in the past from a position of superiority. It is true that we had only one thing to say, and we yelled and screamed and propagandized it again and again with a stubbornness that drove the ‘wise’ to desperation. We proclaimed it with such simplicity that they thought it absurd and almost childish. They did not understand that repetition is the precursor to success and simplicity is the key to the emotional and mental world of the masses. We wanted to appeal to the intuitive world of the great masses, not the understanding of the intellectuals.

      Taken from. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/03/how-nazi-propaganda-encouraged-the-masses-to-co-produce-a-false-reality.html

      Even her body language has similarities with with Hitler during his speeches at the nazi rallies. I won’t post any of them due to bad taste, but check it out..


      • Up2snuff says:

        davy, not sure how good a historian Neil Gregor is on the evidence of that. He surely cannot have forgotten the Hitler-Jugend, the Hitler Youth, similar to Woodcraft Folk. I am no historian but am aware of that approach of the Left to grab the children while young and indoctrinate them.


      • JimS says:

        “It is true that we had only one thing to say, and we yelled and screamed and propagandized it again and again with a stubbornness that drove the ‘wise’ to desperation. We proclaimed it with such simplicity that they thought it absurd and almost childish.”

        The bus, the bl**dy bus!


  12. tapwatertory says:

    Greta has a bottom lip moment.


    I’m surprised she didn’t stamp her feet aswell.


    • G.W.F. says:


      Wait until Greta meets creepy Joe Biden.


      • Sluff says:

        Shouldn’t the authorities be intervening to protect vulnerable Greta from child exploitation and abuse.
        Oops forgot. The Left are always ready to turn a blind eye when it suits them in order to prioritise their favoured principles.
        As certain young female residents of Rotherham and elsewhere know only too well.


    • Guest Who says:

      Sorry, fat finger report error. Ignore.

      All I can say is, whoever stuffed that young head with that much pent up rage has a lot of answering to do.

      Yet the bbc almost seem to think it is normal.

      Maybe, to them, it is?



  13. Thoughtful says:

    Interesting to see that Breitbart shares my poor opinion of the rotten School, and looks forward to Labour abolishing it.

    It has after all produced some of the most egregious leftist wets of our recent history, which Delingpole kindly lists for us.

    Worth a read for those in doubt as to how bad this institution actually is.



  14. Chalkywhite says:

    Why hasn’t this been reported on the BBC, as it has on other news sites:




    Probably because it’s GOOD news,which unfortunately doesn’t fit into the BBC’s mantra of running down the country and the economy? When was the last time you ever saw any positive news on the BBC?


    • Chalkywhite says:

      I expect it would be different if the words ‘Trump’, ‘BREXIT’ or ‘despite of’ were in the original copy! According to the BBC, sterling never falls, it slides, the FTSE never falls it crashes etc etc etc.


  15. StewGreen says:

    RT : Over 240 UK primary schools introduced lessons on ‘self-stimulation’ !!


  16. chancygardner says:

    I see Lionel Messi has been named best FIFA men’s player and Helen Shapiro best women’s player. All in the same bbbc headline of course.


    • john in cheshire says:

      Presumably Helen Shapiro is ” Walking Back to Happiness”.

      Sorry it’s an age thing.


  17. vlad says:

    Now the bbc draft the deranged Swedish goblin into their endless anti-Trump campaign.

    They post a video of her expression of disgust as she sees Trump. And in case you didn’t get the message, they freeze it and replay it. And in case you still don’t get it they throw in the caption: ‘She doesn’t appear too pleased.’ And in case you still don’t get it, they repeat: She didn’t seem too thrilled when she saw President Trump…
    Oh how we laughed in the editing room, wink wink, nudge nudge.

    The camera shots seem suspiciously convenient. Was it a set up? I can almost hear her minders briefing her: Now Greta, when you see the nasty big bogeyman remember to look disgusted, and the camera over there will catch you both in frame, ok? Ready, and action!




    • Guest Who says:


      Someone filled that young head with what can be seen there.

      Something the BBC revels in.

      They need holding to account.


    • Dover Sentry says:

      Her ‘parents’ need to go on the Abuse Register.


    • G says:

      How much longer do you think it will be before a small army of them come to your home to take you away for ‘re-training’ or maybe even something worse………….
      I’ts becoming sure as hell this burden of being a hideously white male (and old) extreme right winger.


  18. Sluff says:

    Just watching Emily Maitlis on newshite at the Labour Party conference.
    She’s ‘interviewing’ three Labour members. But I swear if you didn’t know who Maitlis was, you’d swear it was four Labour members just having a cosy chat.
    She’s gone a whole programme without interrupting anyone.
    I wonder what will happen at the Tory conference.


    • vlad says:

      Here’s the mystery: we know the beeb hate the Tories. We know they hate much of Labour, i.e. those that voted Leave. They despise the Brexit Party, UKIP and Farage’s followers.

      So who on earth still pays the extortion tax, and WHY?

      Stop it!


      • taffman says:

        “So who on earth still pays the extortion tax, and WHY?”

        Many of the readers and posters on here I am afraid. They are afraid, but if we all strike they do not have the resources to chase us all.
        Be like taffman …….stop paying the tax that robs from the poor to give to the rich.
        We can win !


        • john in cheshire says:

          I’ve just completed my sixth year of not paying the tax.
          Because I don’t want the bother of constant letters from crapita, I call them every two years to tell them I still don’t need a licence and they leave me alone for two years.
          There’s nothing to fear.
          By cancelling my TV licence and Sky subscription I’m better off by about five hundred pounds each year. I get Amazon prime as a Christmas present each year and watch YouTube for free. I know that the ITV, etc catch-up channels are also free but I don’t use them even though I can without needing to pay the racist far-left bbc protection money.


          • Adezeroonie says:

            Amazing. I pay Sky £76 per month, £135 (is it?) for TV licence and BT Sport is included in a BT bill of about £300 to £350 per quarter. Am I certifiable?


          • Adezeroonie says:

            Amazing. I pay Sky £76 per month, £135 (is it?) for TV licence and BT Sport is included in a BT bill of about £300 to £350 per quarter. Am I certifiable?


    • smoogie7 says:

      What will happen at the Tory conference? She will simply interrupt people.

      There will be no cosy chats but rather a few supporters being told off for supporting a party who are ‘killing people’


    • Fedup2 says:

      Sluff – there won’t be a Tory Conference – Bercow s revenge …


  19. Philip_2 says:

    I do wonder vlad. I really do wonder if the BBC staff get an exemption, its probable. But they need the money desperate they are, will do almost anything….

    BBC ruined my career, says woman awarded £130,000
    In her lawsuit, she said the BBC failed to meet its equal pay obligation and accused it of constructive dismissal, harassment and discrimination.
    Ms Barlow worked as the former head of product in the corporation’s design and engineering division.
    She said she was forced to resign because of the BBC’s ‘discriminatory nature and a hostile work environment’.  
    According to the BBC, the difference in pay was because of ‘non-gender’ reasons. Curious that when their are (according to the BBC over a 100 genders hidden away somewhere for children but only two genders at the BBC it seems) – for now at least.
    It also claimed that her work was NOT of equal value to the male heads. She was paid £9,000 less than the men who are (one presumes) are dressed to impress the same BBC management and ‘they are worth it’ as they say on the Shampoo adverts.. Shame really, I really think all woman should be paid the same (even If they work less) and then Men should only work on alternate days to allow the ‘other’ BBC sexes (all one hundred+) take turns in dressing up and being nasty to each other and everyone else. And then they can get paid more because they are ‘special’ victims and unemployable anywhere else.
    Still BBC pay is rather good at £130,000 for anyone outside the BBC. An extra £9,000 I suppose sounds reasonable in BBC novelty sexual toys department. Stick another tenner on the TV tax.



  20. taffman says:

    “Labour Party conference: McDonnell promises 32-hour working week”
    Same old, same old – Jam tomorrow.


  21. Celtic_Mist says:

    Says it all


  22. StewGreen says:

    Impartial on Global Warming
    or a hysterical campaigning tele-evangelist network ?
    Holyrood’s week: New climate change targets to be debated

    Climate change under the spotlight

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science_and_environment is supposed to be page which is supposed to be about SCIENCE news
    .. but the BBC has turned into a GreenDream activism page with dozens of Updates
    eg – Greenpeace put giant banner up in Leicester Square
    eg2 – Mothers stage climate change protest”
    “Mothers Rise Up, a campaign group calling for more action to be taken to prevent climate change, has taken their protest to Downing Street.”

    See more Climate notes at


  23. vlad says:

    Well here’s a surprise: Pakistan has a huge problem of paedophilia, child abuse and child murder.

    “Child advocates say Pakistan has a serious problem with child abuse, with child protection watchdog Sahil reporting more than 3,800 cases of sexual abuse and violence against children cases in 2018.”
    “Child abuse is a huge, huge challenge, not just in Kasur, but these cases are coming in a lot and are being reported in Punjab on a daily basis,” said Sarah Ahmad, chairperson of the Child Protection and Welfare Bureau for Punjab…

    That’s 3,800 REPORTED cases, the real number being much higher given the intense culture of secrecy around the subject and the huge pressure on victims and families not to report such crimes, under pain of death. (She allowed herself to be raped – stone the little whore!)

    Reuters are running with the story but al bibeera, meh, not so much thanks. Actually not at all. Well, they weren’t even interested when it was happening in UK (still is), why should they care about Pakistan?




  24. StewGreen says:

    3 men and one youth jailed
    I expect unjailed older men were the instigators
    Parizian Calin, 20, Sebastian Baltatu, 18, and Adrian Calin, 20, all pleaded not guilty. They received 13 years, three years and 12 months respectfully.
    Baltatu = Romanian surname
    Parizian = Muslim name
    Calin = Irish surname


  25. Nibor says:

    I propose a new competion .

    The best essay about climate change and how horrific it is for the poor , how leaders of everything don’t do enough , how selfish ordinary people are , why we should obey the enlightened and listen to disturbed children will win a day with Greta .

    Everyone else meet in the pub .


  26. pugnazious says:

    Michael Gove has been consistently attacked and sneered at, on the BBC and elsewhere, for saying ‘This country has had enough of experts…..’…only of course that’s not what he said…he specifically meant those economic, business and political groups that have huge vested interests to protect when they give out their ‘independent, neutral, impartial’ advice. But immediately in the interview Faisal Islam[now of the BBC…much like James O’Brien employed because he is so clearly biased and intemperate with it] wilfully misunderstood what Gove had said jumping in making the sweeping assertion that Gove meant all experts on every subject rather than just the economists and related fellow travellers with a line to sell about the EU.

    Look at this sneering Newsnight interview which asks Gove to apologise…the interviewer, Ian Katz, is classic middle class superior snootiness.


    Now read this from Matthew Goodwin as he makes the case that Gove was right….the experts may be expert but doesn’t mean they should be trusted regardless…their judgement may be faulty, their analysis subject to their own personal prejudices…such as being pro-EU which shapes their thinking and their interpretations of events.

    Brexit has in no way panned out as the ‘experts’ insisted it would…but Katz says ‘it’s far too early to judge the accuracy of their forecasts. Britain hasn’t even left the EU yet; it will take years to judge whether their predictions of reduced growth were right. ‘…but that is dishonest…the predictions were based on the instant outcome of the vote and were date-stamped from there….we’d lose 800,000 jobs within two years, have an instant recession necessitating an immediate emergency budget, the housing market would collapse and let’s not forget…world war 3 would break out.

    None of this came true…if we get a no-deal maybe things will turn for the worse at least for a while but Brexit alone, with a deal especially, will not result in any of those dire predictions coming true….though Remain seem to be working hard to make it happen.

    Goodwin points out that The Bubble, including the BBC I might add, just doesn’t understand what is going on…or doesn’t want to accept it and wilful blindness kicks in….

    ‘How political bias blinds us

    Ideological cocoons prevent experts from seeing, and engaging with, the wider world.
    Boris Johnson’s premiership has barely started but has already failed. The Prime Minister does not know what he is doing. He is completely out of his depth. He cannot even walk down a high street or through a hospital without being attacked by angry voters. With his consigliere, Dominic Cummings, Johnson is alienating the moderate majority. The Conservative brand will be ruined forever. The wilderness looms.

    This is what Twitter tells me every day. But as I pointed out the other week, while Johnson is routinely portrayed as a textbook case of failure, the key groups of voters that will decide his fate hold a very different view. Since becoming Prime Minister, Boris Johnson’s ‘net favourability’ score among all voters has increased by five points. Among Leavers it is up by 16-points. Among Conservatives it is up by 21-points.
    The sharp liberal Left slant that runs through the Twitter and university communities ensures that few people have strong links to the values and voters that run against the dominant ideological orthodoxy. Ideological cocoons prevent experts from seeing, and engaging with, the wider world.

    Rather than challenge our priors, it is much easier to let motivated reasoning — a bias toward an outcome or decision that confirms with what we already know — win the day. As a result, anything or anybody that deviates from the consensus and the herd is challenged, undermined or simply ignored…..experts tend to suffer from a potent interplay of over-confidence, binary thinking, a herding instinct and, to be blunt, hubris.

    All of this underlines why — with a fresh election on the horizon — we all need to be far more sceptical of what we are told and more willing to challenge the consensus.’

    Not at the BBC….they love consensus even if it’s not the majority consensus as with the referendum…the BBC chose the side of the ‘experts’ against the voters.


    • Fedup2 says:

      The other big issue about experts is the ignorance of previous judgements. The body is put onto TV or radio . The name and organisation is announced – sometimes with a very brief description such as ‘ a think tank ‘ then off they go.

      Their ‘ expertness’ isn’t challenged – there is seldom an opposing or contrary view in the same room – or if there is the interviewer ‘ handles’ the speaker against whom they are prejudiced by either interruption – hostile challenges – reduced air time .

      The editorial decision about choosing who goes on air is obviously key to achieving the ‘ distortion ‘ the State Broadcaster producer / editor wants
      and this is beyond questioning .

      Unless the listener / viewer is savvy to what is going on they are not going to be properly informed .

      This won’t change any time soon on the State Broadcaster – why should it ? There is no external pressure apart from alleged viewing figures – which can be disregarded because of the assured tax income .

      I won’t discuss Gove because as far as I’m concerned he is just another bubble dweller – but if he and his friends get us out of the EU withoutva sell out they can stick up a statue for him .


      • Beltane says:

        Other experts, such as Haig, Rawlinson, Horne, Pulteney and others are credited with the creation and management of the 1916 Somme campaign…


    • theisland says:

      we should be far more critical of herd thinking than we currently are
      we all need to be far more sceptical of what we are told and more willing to challenge the consensus

      This is basic common sense from Matthew Goodwin and you don’t need to be a ‘professor of politics’ to know it.

      The trouble is in order to possess this ‘skill’ one also needs to be capable of self-criticism – an ability woefully lacking in the usual suspects and talking heads.


    • Foscari says:

      Isn’t the interviewer Faisal Islam, who ticks every box which is
      possible for a political news job at the BBC( except being a woman) ?
      He now works for the BBC I believe.


  27. chancygardner says:

    We are now told by the bbbc that ‘experts’ are maintaining being a lard-bucket, sorry bucket-lard, has nothing to do with what you eat and everything to do with your deprived community. Fat shaming does not help!

    One way to alleviate the pain is to use better description apparently. I quote from the bbbc report:

    ‘It calls for changes in language to reduce stigma, such as saying “a person with obesity” rather than an “obese person”.

    So it will now make all the difference please if you would refrain from calling someone a ‘fat wobble-bottom’ and instead refer to them as a ‘person of bottom wobble fat’. Thank you.


    • Dover Sentry says:

      There were no fatties in Belsen.


    • Ian Rushlow says:

      “Obesity is not a choice” says the article. Funny that. So people don’t choose to be obese. They certainly don’t choose to be homosexual. Or black. Or disabled. It’s all down to genetics or other factors over which they have absolutely no control. And because they have no control over it, they are more deserving of tolerance and understanding and sympathy (and which is largely non-contentious to most people). And yet here’s the odd thing: a 6 1/2 foot, muscled, bearded man can instantly become a woman simply by declaring that he is one. So, you can choose to change your gender but you can’t choose to stop stuffing your face with fried chicken, double cheeseburgers, pizzas, kebabs and all the other crap. Some people may have genetic or medical conditions that cause them to put on weight, but the glorification of obesity by the BBC is obscene. Both because it is setting up future health problems for individuals and because we live in a world where hundreds of millions go hungry.


  28. dazzer says:

    Had an unusual experience with BBC Radio 4 yesterday. Our internet was down for a few hours, so I listened to R4 in the background whilst working.

    I wasn’t even listening – just in the background. After about 20 minutes, I felt extremely unhappy and couldn’t understand the reason until I realised it was R4 winding up my sub-conscious. Had to go for a walk to clear my head.

    I really miss the BBC. I used to love listening to R4 when working.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Dazzer – as they say -I’m sorry for your loss . I’ve stopped referring to the State broadcaster by its letters because it is a lie . It’s not British – in fact often I think it is hostile to its own former country and the majority who still pay for it .

      I listen to it as much out of duty as anything else . The state broadcasters’ political Party – labour – is having excellent internal fights which the broadcaster seems unable to suppress – presumably because the same leftist battles are going on within it – hopefully .


      • dazzer says:

        Too true, Fed. Tried again this morning whilst having breakfast. Piece about cycling and I thought great… something that hasn’t been politicised.

        Oops… no. 2 minutes and they are talking about transgenders kicking the arses of the ladies. Off switch.


  29. AsISeeIt says:

    Brandishing before their audience their blatant lack of self-awareness BBC on-line publishes on the same page as their lionisation of Saint Greta Thunberg this story cobbled together by some twitter-trawling clickbait-itching millennial so-called journo: ‘Are teen influencers being exploited?’

    Here are few choice quotes:

    ‘US social media star Danielle Cohn has nearly four million followers on Instagram and 1.4 million on YouTube. She’s also one of TikTok’s biggest stars, with more than 13 million fans.’

    ‘She is managed by her mother. But is this a good line of work for a teenager?’

    The BBC quotes some bod from an ‘influencer agency’ (?)
    ‘… said he didn’t think young teenagers were capable of making such a huge decision about creating a specific identity that would follow them into adult life.’

    ‘”I believe that often it’s an older relative or family member who has realised there is the opportunity to make some money in the short term and puts together a social strategy to grab the attention of the media,” he said.’

    ‘You’re 13, stop it. Have a childhood while you can,” wrote one below a video uploaded on Sunday.’


  30. Fedup2 says:

    I haven’t heard which this child says but saw the footage of her facial response at the U.N. as President Trump wandered past . She looked like she’d been smacked in the face .

    One can only wonder how such mass hysteria can raise a child to such insane fame . But on the upside at least she’s not French


    • Ian Rushlow says:

      Pavlik Morozov. Joan of Arc. Little Saint Hugh. It’s an old trick, using a child to whip up the crowds.


      • Fedup2 says:

        The green madness just carries on – a proposal to increase taxes on ‘ frequent fliers ‘ well that will hit the state broadcaster hard and goes against the globalism the MSM wants . Travel broadens the mind so let’s tax it more .

        Thankfully the Americans made sure there is no tax on av gas so the UK can’t tax it upto the hilt like petrol and diesel ( I hope I’m right on this ).


    • Guest Who says:

      Depending on the idiot MSM title ‘reporting’, her speech was ‘powerful’, ‘passionate’ or ‘emotional’.

      Any sane person watching might have gone with ‘messianic’ or ‘unhinged’.

      And whoever wrote it for her was clearly confident the media would again suffer a logic fail to match on content.

      Her parents chose to fill that egg scramble of a brain with inaccuracy, fear and loathing.

      Her parents allowed her to bunk off and sit alone with a photographer outside.

      Her parents allowed a vulnerable child to become a pawn in the hands of a rich and cynical activist industry.

      Her future was stolen by her parents.

      No, she should not have been there.

      And they should be somewhere rational explaining why she is still.


    • Roland Deschain says:

      The phrase “chewing a wasp” was what came to my mind. I think the usual suspects are now getting worked up about Trump’s tweet which is clearly a reference to how the girl has been manipulated.


      • Fedup2 says:

        That Donald Trump has a nice line in irony eh ? Ha ha


      • Guest Who says:

        Sorry… great minds ????


      • Thoughtful says:

        A speach full of leftist hate bile anger and rhetoric and empty of any actual facts to support any of it.

        Don’t forget Thurnberg hails from the failing leftist state of Sweden where brainwashing of children is a normalised state of affairs, and where the other side of the argument is never heard.

        Someone needs to expose this fraud for what she is, but there’s precious little chance of that with todays far left biased MSM.

        A few questions such as why she wrongly believes CO2 is an important greenhouse gas


        Why she thinks most scientists support her view when they don’t, and why anyone who fails to toe the line loses their career?

        I wonder if she is even vaguely aware of the arguments of the other side in this debate – somehow I doubt it.


  31. MarkyMark says:

    BREAKING: Labour Party create new jobs, reduce housing and end poverty by opening 1 million Soylent Green Factories … migration can now be unlimited.


  32. Guest Who says:

    That badge suggests not a problem.

    Lucky he was in the building.


  33. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #1 – Vanishes like a morning mist on a sunny day

    Ladies Day at TOADY although our beeloved BeeBeeboid Martha is still in exile in beeBrighton. Cannot remember who did the anti-beeBrexit interview with the ‘spacemen’. Their first name began with M.

    Think it was Martha but it could have been Mishal. No questions about Global Warming or Climate Change for the spacemen and their satellites. I think someone mentioned that in New Zealand, three satellites are launched every week.* No mention of Global Warming and Climate Change and tough questions about that.

    Previously on TOADY, Rob Sport mentioned World Cups and Olympics but there was no question whether the world can afford such luxuries during the so-called ‘Climate Emergency’ caused by AGW.

    You can bet your sweet beebippy that Rebecca Old beeBailey will pay for her endless coastal windfarms with lots of tax rises if Labour ever make it into Government. Only £83 beebillion required.** No questions asked by the beeBeeboid, again. The cost of wind-generated electricity is falling according to beeBailey

    Inconvenient questions vanish like a mist …. . . . .

    Save the bees? I have say on the evidence of this the BBC cannot be trusted to ask the questions we want answered. The ‘hive mind’ appears to become suddenly, amazingly, empty when the opportunities present.

    * I take that with a pinch of salt, anyway, a bit like the claims that the Chinese build a new coal fired power station every month.
    ** The UK political Parties are scattering taxpayer money around like confetti at present. It cannot all be coming from the £350m per week on the side of the beeBus.


    • Fedup2 says:

      I still wonder what labour had done with the coal mines if they’d been kept open – all thar lovely carbon just waiting to hear things up nicely .

      Do you notice that ‘the people’s this’ and the people’s that ‘ is in vogue at the moment . Really does feel a bit Stalinist but since we have an unelected unrepresentative shadow government of 500 career expenses claimers much more can be expected . ..


      • Up2snuff says:

        Kinda chilling, Fed, as you say redolent of turn of the century Russia … ‘the people’.

        In a way, I sort of might be relaxed about a future Labour Government as I would be largely untouched by the taxes – too poor and an apprentice Pensioner – while my Schadenfreude dial would spend its time pinging off the RedZone stop as I watched a combo car crash and train wreck of an extreme Socialist Government. I would also be in several queues at once rattling my tin mug for handouts for this, that and t’other.

        However, the damage to the UK economy would be so severe that it would lead to serious unrest. If the unprecedented growth and all the handouts of the Blair/Brown years produced riots in 2011, imagine what a period of prolonged real hardship would do to those who had believed Corbyn & McDonnell.

        I’d prefer not to go there.


        • Fedup2 says:

          I’m not much of a tax payer either any more but I really really have paid my share and more .

          This is not State Broadcaster related but it’s a NHS story . Being a self identifying chap I’m a bit concerned about Prostate cancer – my late brother had a big dose of it . So last year I got a psa blood test . But I think I need one every six months . So I rang my GP and asked for one . No. Not until next year – and it’s meant to be every three years she said .

          I don’t use the NHS -no tablets -nothing . But I asked for this and it was refused . I asked the GP if she would do it privately ? No. So now I will scratch up £50 or more for a private blood test .
          So the next time you hear a big campaign about ‘self care’ and the brilliant NHS – it’s not .

          As an aside the Guardian did a piece at the weekend about my local hospital Whips Cross – which has been crap for decades . It was the one Boris visited last week . Same health trust . I might write to my MP – before he is replaced by a Corbyn clone …


    • G says:

      Re: Toady. Did you hear the interview between the Bee Goddess and two ‘persons’ (there, I’m getting ‘with it’!) of an unknown sex but sounding distinctly male about the European Space Agency of which we are a major contributor? Try as the busy-bee might to constantly steer the interview toward an admission that Brexit will cause mayhem withing the ESA, she couldn’t. Indeed, one of the interviewees who sounded German, explained that ESA is not connected to the EU and it operates independently by agreement between its members. Clearly crestfallen, the busy-bee concluded the interview leaving (any) listeners in no doubt that she had failed – miserably – and in the process, had shown a total lack of knowledge about ESA.


  34. theisland says:


    Starmer is “disappointed” that Labour will continue to postpone its decision on how the party will campaign until after a general election and a new Brexit deal has been negotiated with Brussels.

    Don’t worry Keir, that lucrative job with the ECJ stll looks within reach!
    The planned referendum will be between Remain and Remain (posing as Leave) and, just to make sure the correct Remain options wins, Starmer is intending that the voting age will be lowered and foreign nationals included.


    • Guest Who says:

      Keir knows who he can win over.

      Don knows who votes currently.


      • tarien says:

        Well we all know why this young girl was invited to attend the Climate Change meeting in New York-her controllers not satisfied with causing such ignorance on the matter of the present suggested change in our climate, however the main reason points towards the massive fortunes to made from instigating all the proposed new technology that will be thrown at the matter. Perhaps these people including all youngsters should be reminded that, the Earth’s orbit is not a perfect circle, and so there are times spanning thousands of years) when the earth is nearer the sun, and warmer, and other times when it is further away from the sun, consequently colder. The cycles last around 100,000 years. Earth is at present enjoying the time when earth is nearer the sun and so warmer. the tilt of the earth’s axis varies, on a 41,000 year cycle, affecting the degree of difference between the seasons. Adding Climate-change ‘sceptics’ have made great mileage out of the current hiatus in observed global warming. Atmospheric temperatures have not really increased since the turn of the 21st Century, a fact frequently cited as incompatible with, or even disproving, global warming. These same commentators draw a discreet veil over the fact that temperatures also didn’t rise between 1940 and 1970 – an inconvenient truth for them, since that pause was followed by 30 years of rapid warming.
        However, the truth is that a long‐term rising temperature trend, steepening with time, has lifted average global temperatures by around 0.9° C since the early 20th Century. This long‐term trend correlates closely with the rise in atmospheric CO2 and with its expected greenhouse warming effects. But anthropogenic emissions are not the only game in town, and that is why the observed temperature variation is more complex.
        The basic picture of long‐term warming is in fact characterised by thirty‐year ‘ramps’ (where temperatures rise relatively quickly), alternating with thirty‐year ‘flats’, where temperatures either fall slightly, or remain roughly constant. The latest ‘flat’ commenced around the year 2000.
        Geologists think of the last 50 million years as the recent past, both because they represents only about one percent of the age of the earth, and because plate tectonics, the geologic process that controls conditions within the solid part of the earth, has operated without major change during that time period. This is the time period that is most relevant to gaining insights about earth’s climate that can be applied to the present-day global warming debate.The geological record of ancient climate is excellent. Ancient temperatures can be determined very precisely, because the composition of the shells of corals and other marine organisms varies measurably with it. Furthermore, the plants and animals that lived during a given time and are now preserved as fossils indicate whether the climate was wet or dry. The overall climatic trend has been cooling, from an unusually warm period, called the Eocene Optimum, 55-45 million years ago, to an unusually cool period, colloquially called the Ice Age, which ended just 20,000 years ago. The overall range in temperature was enormous, about 35°F. The earth was so warm during the Eocene Optimum that Antarctica was ice-free; ice caps did not start to form there until about 35 million years ago. Palm trees grew at high latitudes and cold-blooded animals, such as crocodiles, lived in the Arctic. Perhaps the alamists should contemplate such information that, clearly scuppers much of what they evidently presently think or are being led to think by the big financiers.


    • gb123 says:

      Why not simplify the whole process and have a toss of a coin using the heads I win tails you lose principle. Far more honest and cheaper.


    • Halifax says:

      And you don’t have to have a permanent address as well. This means that people conducting council tax fraud can get away with it and still vote.

      Im still waiting to see how many of those unfortunate souls killed in Grenfell where the legal residents of the properties destroyed. But I suppose im being racists in the eyes of the left.


  35. Guest Who says:

    Dave is in love.


    • gb123 says:

      Since most of the ownership of our energy industry is in foreign hands, has Dave considered, in his infinite BBC wisdom, what the consequences would be? The EU(Germany) would not be happy bunnies and would find a way of blocking it. China would start a trade war leaving us back in the 70s going cap in hand to the IMF with the stock market at an all time low. Or maybe that is the plan so we can compete with Venezuela and Zimbabwe.


  36. LastChanceSaloon says:

    “Johnson blames Iran for Saudi Arabia oil attacks”
    23 September 2019

    “The prime minister declined to rule out military intervention and said sanctions were also a possibility.”

    Let the Muslims carry on killing each other.
    We want Brexit, 31st October, or else.


  37. pugnazious says:

    The great British Brexit robbery: how our democracy was hijacked
    ‘A shadowy global operation involving big data, billionaire friends of Trump and the disparate forces of the Leave campaign influenced the result of the EU referendum. As Britain heads to the polls again, is our electoral process still fit for purpose? ‘
    Carole Codswallop

    LOL…another mad-cat-woman ‘scandal’ bites the dust as Leave.EU and Aaron Banks are cleared by the police and will face no criminal charges…read all about it here….

    Brexit: ‘No evidence’ of crimes by Leave.EU and Arron Banks

    Interesting to see ‘no evidence’ in quotes as if it was questonable or there is evidence but the police just couldn’t find it.
    What’s also interesting is just how very, very short the report is considering the time and effort the BBC has put into reporting all the accusations against these two and the years spent claiming the referendum result was a result of sinister manipulation….especially by Cambridge Analytica…which in fact had no part to play in the referendum…and yet the BBC still implies it did by continually claiming Facebook[linked to CA in the US elections] influenced the referendum result…..and yet most analysis says Facebook had little if any effect on the referendum.

    Codswallop still holding out hope….

    So essentially just about every accusation and charge against the Brexiteers have been dropped and proven wrong…if not malicious.

    So Brexit wasn’t stolen was it BBC? That of course doesn’t stop ‘experts’ and presenters constantly referring to Brexit and Trump as a failure of democracy and the success of fake news and electoral intereference….the BBC had someone on just last week making that false claim to appreciative sounds from the BBC.

    I have absolutely no doubt the BBC will produce an indepth report eventually proving by insuation and suggestion of course that Banks & Co are guilty anyway…the report will be so twisting and complex with lots of ifs and buts and howevers making the police conclusions seem partial and still on-going, once they find the evidence watch out!, that you might think the opposite to what the NCA said.


    • G says:

      “Rumbled” – Trump and Brexit has forced many to emerge from the dark shadows and expose their continuing efforts to take us all to the Marxist/Globalist Nirvana. I keep islam out of this equation as it is happily and knowingly being used as a tool. Just strange, ‘bed-fellows’ at present: Powder dry and all that for islam (could that be keeping knives sharpened). Little do the Marxist/Globalist fools realise that when they are successful, eventually, they will have to wage war on islam who will be equally vying for the No.1 role in World leadership. Way Hay! what fun that will be…………..


  38. MarkyMark says:

    About us
    The first duty of the government is to keep citizens safe and the country secure.

    The suicide bomber who killed 22 people at an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester last year had been rescued from the Libyan civil war by the Royal Navy. Salman Abedi detonated a home-made bomb in the foyer of the Manchester Arena on 22 May 2017 as concert-goers, many of them children, were leaving the venue.31 Jul 2018


    • pugnazious says:

      LOL…hope you weren’t triggered as the tweet is deemed somewhat dangerous by Twitter…

      ‘The following media includes potentially sensitive content.’

      Don’t you dare question the new religion and ‘Joan of Arc’.


    • Payne by name says:

      That was brilliant, thanks for posting.


  39. Guest Who says:

    Boris’ next electoral problem.

    Idiots like her in charge? No.


    • Payne by name says:

      Andrea was great in the debates but as she has become more ingrained into the establishment, the more disappointing she has become.


  40. upandatem says:

    I agree with everything that has been said about Greta Thunberg. The poor, fragile and susceptible child has been fed a diet of doom by irresponsible adults and is then given the platform to repeat these fantasies of Armageddon to even more gullible adults. They gaze in admiration, they hang on her every, rehearsed word and prostrate themselves before her. In doing so, they reinforce her irrational fears and she becomes more crazed. Her latest speech is the most demented yet. It borders on madness. One can joke about the girl, but adults have a responsibility to protect vulnerable children. The climate activists, the media, the politicians, everyone who is in the circus that surrounds her, are failing in their basic duty to do just this.


    • SkeptikEye says:

      To use Greta Thunberg in this way is surely ‘child abuse’ by adults who should know better!


  41. G.W.F. says:

    Lots of photos of that funny looking Swedish girl.
    Has anyone seen a 16 year old appearing like her with that hair style?
    Something really odd


    • cromwell says:

      From the first time I saw her I have said what 16 year old wears plaits and a face scrubbed of make up, they are young women at that age. I am convinced she has been thoroughly brainwashed inside and out.


  42. Thoughtful says:

    National Crime Agency clears Leave.EU and Arron Banks after finding ‘no evidence that any criminal offences have been committed’


    This is of course yet another in the continuing saga of the Electoral Services Comission making false allegations, or instituting false and undair penalties on leave supporters.

    Normally we would expect the head of the electoral services comission to be sacked, but not with the cowardly useless incompetent Tories in power.
    Labour is not a cowardly party, and if such goings on had dipleased them you can bet they would have the individuals head on a platter.

    In my opinion the Tory party is rotten to the core, as we are now seeing with Borises shenanigans being dredged up. The slavish devotion to the products of the rotten school means the party can never progress back into being a true conservative party, and we sorely need a new one to replace it.


  43. SkeptikEye says:

    There we have the ‘Joan of Arc of Climate Change’ Greta telling how we have all been so evil at ignoring the IPCC’s rhetoric of impending doom. If only we would start walking everywhere and eating raw food we could cut our ‘carbon footprint’ to zero.

    When Extinction Rebellion held a protest in Manchester recently they had a Music stage. In order to power the stage they used a Diesel Generator as a Solar Panel would have been too expensive. If they had used a solar panel they would have still needed a diesel generator as backup.

    But fear not ER will chain all those nasty Brexiteers to the treadmills in order to produce ‘green energy’ so they can continue to enjoy the lifestyles they have come to expect!


  44. Fedup2 says:

    Looks like BoJo is about to be an ex PM…..


  45. theisland says:

    Worst possible ‘decision’


    • Fedup2 says:

      I’m gonna get Fedup with popcorn at this rate . Watching the BBC worldwide – the faces are – grave – and Grieve looked like
      He’d just won the lottery .


  46. smoogie7 says:

    Bad news

    The courts have ruled that proroguing parliament was unlawful.

    The BBC will be all over this and would ignore any Labour pitfalls.

    The bias will be extreme today


  47. Roland Deschain says:

    War it is then.


  48. theisland says:

    Decree from King Bercow