311 Responses to Start the Week Open Thread 2 September 2019

  1. JamesArthur says:

    Philip Lee – “Tories infected by populism and nationalism”
    Hmm so that would be a majority vote and people who want to be proud of their country and rule themselves…
    So now we know what some MPs think – I don’t agree that I should do what voters want and I don’t believe the UK should be independent.
    Makes you wonder why he became an MP…especially as he is a GP and only works part time – maybe he would be better off working full time there as this means he is also a part time MP on a full time salary..


  2. digg says:

    So Phillip Lee MP for Bracknell has defected to the Lib Dems in protest against the Push by Boris. Bracknell voted to leave so what do his constituents think of him now and how can he sit tight as their MP in a different turn-coat colour?

    Unbelievable, despicable and a long way from democracy….

    What a toad….He should resign now!

    Obviously still happy to draw his MP’s salary as well as his salary as a doctor.

    Come on Bracknell let him know what you think…. Maybe a voters vote to oust him like they did with the Welsh MP?


  3. fakenewswatcher says:

    Tricky Jon Trickett is going on in parliament with Project Fear, talking about the storing of body bags etc.
    He does look a bit like an undertaker. He should know.
    Where did Labour dig him up? Never heard of him before. Probably with good reason.
    Boy, is he verbose. Ramble, ramble, ramble.
    Even Bercow has had to shut him up!
    And that’s saying something!
    Tricky Jon is a shadow cabinet office minister, and Bercow is a shadow Labour member. So that is quite something…
    Two shadows. One having to silence the other. Must have been painful?


  4. fakenewswatcher says:

    Parliament: Stephen Gethins, SNP, says he can’t believe he’s asking the question: does the government believe in the Rule of Law?
    But he’s got more than he bargained for.
    Michael Gove is replying, and when he gets going, you have been replied to in a way you will always remember.
    Isn’t there a Law about us leaving on 29 March? Never mind 31 October? Haven’t we already left? Or am I misinformed?
    Gethin presumably doesn’t believe in the Rule of Law himself.
    SNP weirdos. Want independence. Under the rule of the distant Nomenklatura at Brussels. Does one laugh or cry?


  5. digg says:

    Defecting MP Phillip Lee just interviewed by the BBC. Towards the end the reporter asked him if his constituency voted leave and he pretended not to really know if they did nor not, mumbling and muttering, saying it was close or something.

    Let me remind him, the figures given by BerkshireLive after the result was declared were…

    Bracknell votes LEAVE
    Votes for Remain were: 29,888
    Votes for Leave were: 35,002

    Now you know Mr Lee!

    And now we all know how you reptiles manipulate and fudge everything to get your way despite the clear voice of the electorate who put you there.

    I think “Mr” Lee epitomises why the whole thing has been so mired and laborious, the house is stuffed with self-important slugs who simply want to kill off Brexit any way they can, ignoring the voters and acting as if they were of no consequence.


  6. Thoughtful says:

    Cameron has left a legacy of crap and incompetence on a product of the rotten school could manage!

    We saw a couple of days ago Corbyn visit Manchester and several protestors voicing their opinions against him.

    Thanks to Camerons incompetence we saw a Labour controlled Gestapo secret Police force arresting protestors including James Goddard, who was later released without any charge.


    Politicising the Police the way Cameron did was a catastrophic error. Anyone with half a brain cell would have realised what Labour would do if given control, but it’s even worse than that as people have lost complete trust in the Police and now regard them as their enemy rather than being on their side.

    The incompetence gets worse though as the fixed term parliament act now has handed Labour the power to control the Tory party and not allow them to resign and call a fresh election.

    This Brexit crisis in Parliament is a direct result of what Cameron did while in office, and I can well remember the posts here criticising his leftism and odd policies. You don’t always realise the catastrophic nature until later but that is what politicians are supposed to foresee.
    A minory of Tories – just 20 at a push are now able to hold the party hostage.

    May was an appalling PM, but we shouldn’t forget just how bad Cameron was as well.


    • Fedup2 says:

      The irony of Cameron is that his book is out in a couple of weeks to gain maximum sales – because of Brexit – or not …


  7. JamesG says:

    The Commons is going to do everything it can from stop Brexit from happening by voting against the government tonight. I wonder what the public reaction will be to their will, as expressed at the referendum, being frustrated.


    • Fedup2 says:

      I was trying to watch it but have had to give up – no BBC for me for a bit . I’ll just a bit for something substantial to happen …..


  8. Fedup2 says:

    Earlier today the BBC website had a report about increasing suicides in UK . It had numbers and said 75% were male .

    Yet I’ve just gone to look for it and found it gone off to the ‘health ‘section . It doesn’t give numbers any more – just numbers per 100000 which to means nothing .

    The question I ask is ‘why’ ? Now that anything does and you can blame anyone for your own conduct – how come suicide rates are rising?

    I do have my own personal explanation but it wouldn’t be very fashionable – some of the responsibility would be laid at the feet of the MSM propaganda but other reasons can be put forward

    The BBC doesn’t go into the explanations as I think it is too close to home .


    • Loobyloo says:

      I suspect that the greatest category are (straight?) white males too, and coincidentally that is Al Beebs least favorite category.


      • Fedup2 says:

        Yes I fear your assessment is right . White male heterosexuals are to blame for everything . However when I read the report this morning young women aged around 19/20 are also most likely victims .
        I suppose expectations causes depression and a downward drift if unchecked . I can’t see the aggressive positions the BBC takes on mixed gender issues much of a help to young people ( makes me feel old saying that ) . I’m waiting for someone to offer me a seat on a bus or tube ….


    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Fed – The bbc has been hard at it, undermining values and convictions held for many centuries, perverting reality with its ‘diversity’ obsession, keen to hype up climate emergency and other disaster scenarios.
      It could have brought some feeling of stability, security and continuity into an environment dominated by ‘social media’ and lives blighted by the feeling that ‘everything is up for grabs’, struggling to cope with rapid change in almost every field.
      It chose instead to lead the ‘revolution’, keep its elite well-paid, and pretend to care about the payers it is fleecing. With a few exceptions, quality has gone down the drain.
      But it will not be held to account. Ofcom are useless as regulator, and the government has ignored the issues raised by the direction beeb has taken.
      Let’s see how it fares if it gets the government of its choice: Corbyn’s Labour, perhaps with a dash of Swinson.
      There will be much turning over in graves, if that happens, but beeb will blunder on, ever more prescriptive of everything we say and do, perhaps eventually a fully-fledged totalitarian tool.


      • Fedup2 says:

        It should be borne in mind that all this has been going on in a time of economic growth . It’s hard to know how matters will be when the economy turns down – which at some time it will .

        On a more contemporary issue – if the traitor side of parliament passes a Remain act it will need the Royal Assent . Now I’ve been looking up the circumstances under which this can be with held…. one way seems to be if the PM advises it . So it would not be Law …. then close Parliament until 1 November …..

        More popcorn


        • Dover Sentry says:

          Exactly. This is what I’ve been saying. Today is a finacially expensive farce with no outcome for the Remainers.


        • Fred Stubber says:

          The Royal Accent? You mean that weird marbles-in-the gob thing they do?


          • Fedup2 says:

            Fred – thank you for pointing out my smelling mishtake . Having the edit button I have corrected it assent not accent .


      • SPC says:

        You describe the situation better than I could hope to . The problem is that the BBC is the only source of ‘news’ for most in the country. It is not news they are delivering – they are merely personal viewpoints based on the particular lifestyle and social circumstance of whichever Producer happens to be in charge.
        Don’t get me started either on the ‘Entertainment’ side of their output . Pretty well rubbish most of the time. The flagship programmes they have destroyed or are in that process. ‘Strictly’ comes to mind.


        • SPC says:

          This was in reply to fakenewswatcher – 5 post upwards – can’t get used to this social media malarky. And I hope I never will.


  9. taffman says:

    “Tata: Hundreds of steel jobs could go at Newport Orb plant.”

    I would guess that there are a lot of anti-EU employees down there in the Orb Steel works in
    Newport this evening ?…………………….


  10. StewGreen says:

    Russia Today tonight : An interview with Mohammad Javad Zarif, Iranian Minister of Foreign Affairs


  11. MarkyMark says:

    Dear Winston Smith in the Memory Hole Department of the BBC,

    I hope you are well and that viewing complaints all day does not make you biased against the BBC in anyway.

    I noticed that on the BBC News programme that the programme text said 50 migrants and the presenter said 66 migrants arrived on the coast of the UK fleeing from the shores of the EU27.

    This could cause untold mental health problems, imagine a person watching with the sound off and another person listening and not really watching the screen. These two people meet and cannot agree what number of migrants left the troubled shores of the EU27 to reach the UK – creating two confused people who might then think they are going mental and not hearing the right thing.

    I suppose the question is which was the correct number or do viewers complete some Orwell maths such as 2+2=5?

    Many Thanks,
    Mr. H.

    ** “fleeing from the shores of the EU27” was added by myself.


  12. StewGreen says:

    ZH busts the myths of the Norwegian Electric car market


  13. StewGreen says:

    “What is sustainable palm oil?”


    An entire article which fails to mention palm oil’s use as a biofuel to satisfy the eco-zealots. Why you can trust the BBC?


  14. Doobster78 says:

    BBC 6pm news. Woman reporter in Scotland for the anti Boris case.

    They have heard evidence today that Boris agreed / approved the suspension of Parliament 2 weeks before it was publicly announced.

    BBC not surprisingly making a big deal of it , unconstitutional etc blah blah …….

    Woman reporter took great pleasure in informing us that Boris had approved this ” Way back in the middle of August ” !! Way back ???? It’s only the flippin 3rd September !! They just love using this emotive language when it suits their agenda !!! She could not hide her bias. But, it’s the BBC , she doesn’t have to.


  15. Despairada says:

    Turned on the car radio, default on Radio 4, about 5:30 pm today to hear pm news conversation with frequent reference to the ‘Rebel Alliance’. What? Now the remainers regard themselves as a band of heroes battling against the evil Empire with Boris as Darth Vader.

    My flabber is ghasted.


    • Third Duke says:

      Desp, my old fruit, I’m fairly sure you have miscast our hero Boris.
      As I recall, back in ’77, the Rebel Alliance are the good guys?
      In which case, may Darft Corbyn take it well and truly up his DeadStar(fish)!


  16. Dover Sentry says:

    And another thing….

    The head of the London Borough of Haringey earns more than the PM.

    The heads of all London’s 32 Boroughs each earn more than the PM.

    The head of the BBC, Lord Hall, earns £500k per year. More than three times as much as the PM.

    This needs to change.


    • Fedup2 says:

      If you really want your blood to boil have a look on the Gov UK website for pension arrangements for ministers and MPs . Can you think who might have legislated generous arrangements for MPs – why – it’s MPs ….


      • Dover Sentry says:

        I just hope that out of all this fiasco, we end up with some common sense both now and in the future.


  17. fakenewswatcher says:

    I had a feeling we would be seeing Bercow’s true colour in parliament tonight, and indeed we have.
    It is red.
    Look at his smug, self-satisfied face when he pontificates about his ‘impartiality’, then “coins a phrase”, quoting the PM with a flicker of malice, and you know for sure.
    He is about as impartial as the bbc.
    Were he not sitting up there in his grand chair, he would have to take his seat with his Labour mates. Like HB.
    Hilary Benn is quick to fall back on Bercow’s decisions when he interrupts JRM, with obvious delight.
    Bercow is convinced that he can steer this debate with his smooth tongue. If you have a chance, watch him operating in parliament tonight.
    Delight in the professionalism and knowledge of JRM:


    • Dover Sentry says:

      But Boris will block any proposed anti-Brexit legislation, as is his democratic right. It won’t receive Royal assent.

      Game over, Remainer losers. Just as it was back in 2016.


  18. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC Online News:

    “”Can no-deal Brexit be stopped?””

    “”Passing a new law that would force the PM to request an extension has emerged as the preferred course of action.””

    “”It would usually take weeks for legislation to pass through both Houses of Parliament. But the proposers of the new bill expect to be able to pass all stages and have it signed off by the Queen by Monday, before parliament is shut down (or prorogued).””


    Total lies, BBC. That’s your wishful thinking. Expect to have it signed off by the Queen on Monday, do you?

    Slight problem, BBC. Boris decides if it’s signed off. And it won’t be signed off.

    As a ‘trusted broadcaster’ (you say that yourselves), why have you omitted this fact in your thousand word feature?

    Reminder, BBC. The tax payer funds you.


  19. Chalkywhite says:

    The BBC were reporting this afternoon that body bags were being stockpiled because of Brexit. It was reported on ‘Business LIVE’. Oh the irony. I nearly choked on my digestive biscuit!


  20. Fedup2 says:

    Does the BBC think that the public reaction to parliamentary voting will be so bad that remainer MPs will need body bags ? Surely not .


  21. Dover Sentry says:

    I wonder how traitor May will vote? She turned up today.


  22. G.W.F. says:

    Who has brought what appears to be a herd of cattle to Parliament which can be heard in the background to the BBC interviews?
    Is this the voice of socialism?


  23. Dover Sentry says:

    Parliamentary Brexit report on behalf of Ourselves:

    Boris lost the vote by an expected small margin. Not surprising when even 70% of his Party is anti-Brexit.

    But it matters not. Parliament, in its deceitful way can now create No Deal legislation. But such legislation will be blocked by Boris before it gets to the Queen as he’s the PM. Perfectly legal to do so. (BBC commentators forgot this important blocking aspect for some reason. Are they biased?).

    Of interest, Corbyn would not accept an early election, nor would shouty Swinson of Lib Dems when Boris offered it. They wanted No Deal confirmed first. Both realise that a GE would destroy them.

    In all, a very good night.


    • Synchronised says:

      I agree Dover. I look forward to Boris, Nigel and Donald sat at a table discussing draining the swamp. Jezzas going to regret tonight’s charade. And as for Swinson saying she relishes taking on Boris in an election I’ve only just stopped laughing.


    • smoogie7 says:

      Corbyn looked scared when Johnson threatened an election.


  24. fakenewswatcher says:

    On the ‘impartial’ bbc’s R4 news at ten, Shaun Ley (Labour) leads a gleeful celebration of the outcome of the vote with ‘impartial’ colleagues.
    Laura K, appropriately garbed in snakeskin, appears on tv news to sum up. She is very much in similar mood. In anticipation, she had obviously splashed out on a new outfit (not a problem for beeb employees).


  25. Dover Sentry says:

    The following 21 Tory MPs voted against their Party and will lose the Whip:

    Philip Hammond
    Stephen Hammond


  26. BRISSLES says:

    Well my tw..t of an MP Alistair Burt, already said on air earlier today that he wouldn’t be standing again in the next election. There is a God !


  27. Dover Sentry says:

    And throughout it all today, the BBC have been squealing in pleasure as if all their anti-Brexit dreams and fantasies have come true.

    Get real and grow up, BBC. You are paid more than enough to do so by us poor people.


    • smoogie7 says:

      I am yet to see any evidence that Brexit is being stopped. Quite the opposite in fact. They have made No Deal more likely


  28. LastChanceSaloon says:

    Comments allowed, currently c38000, and increasing c1000 every 10 minutes.
    99%, we have the moral high ground, anyone who disputes this is a Nazi.
    Best if all White Male Nazis are exterminated, you know it makes sense.
    Somewhere in the UK, senior military officers are discussing, which side should we support?


  29. smoogie7 says:

    Well my MP continues to be one of the good guys:



  30. Fedup2 says:

    Smoog – my MP IDS is also of course – a leading democrat – but many see him as losing his seat as the socialist one party state council has been moving a whole variety of state dependant claimants into the constituency -leading of course – to more ‘police incidents ‘ and police tape across roads in the borough ..