311 Responses to Start the Week Open Thread 2 September 2019

  1. Dover Sentry says:

    I’m not a lawyer, but the Bill is toothless.

    Even if passed, Boris will advise the Queen not to give her assent. Blair did that on many occasions and it works.

    The media choose to forget that Boris is Boss.

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  2. quisquose says:

    Did anybody else see the BBC News earlier when some ‘reporter’ sat with a tea importer to skim through some of the Government recommendations on Brexit preparedness?

    The bit they concentrated on was about having a Customs Deferment Account.

    My company is an importer/exporter so my ears pricked up.

    There was a minute with the importer looking worried, “I don’t know what that is, I’ve never heard of a Customs Deferment Account, oh noes the sky is going to fall in”.

    1. If he’s never heard of a Customs Deferment Account then he’s a crap importer. So probably an actor.
    2. He doesn’t need one, most importers probably don’t have one.
    3. It’s just a method of delaying payment of customs duties, if HMRC agree that you are a sound company with a rock solid balance sheet.
    4. It has absolutely no relevance to the EU whatsoever.

    Basically just an opportunity for the BBC to be deliberately misleading and scare its viewers with important sounding words. Absolutely disgraceful.

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  3. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC Online News:

    “”Brexit: EU considers using disaster fund for no deal””

    “”The European Commission is considering allowing EU countries to apply for cash to cope with a no-deal Brexit using a special emergency fund.””

    “”Officials are working on a plan to classify no deal as a “major disaster”, a category normally used to describe destructive natural events such as earthquakes or major floods.””

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49556183

    Chew on that Macron and Merkel šŸ™‚

    They only wanted us for our dosh… Barstewards!!

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Dover, the BBC inadvertently did a great advert for Brexiteers and a clean no-Deal break from the EU with that little new item. Even though most people will not know about the ‘ins’ and ‘outs’ of EU finance and influence, the British public often run on instinct, on perceptions, on hunches, on intuition when it comes to politics and its institutions.

      Underestimate the wider public at your own risk, Politicians, Broadcasters and BBC.

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    • G says:

      DS,
      Strange, I thought that they had their ‘no deal’ plans already in hand. Perhaps they’re just waking up to what, hopefully, is ahead for them.

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    • tamimisledus says:

      I wonder where the EU will be getting the money from?
      I think we can be quite sure that the EU is not looking favourably at requests from the UK for cash from the pile the UK has contributed.

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  4. smoogie7 says:

    What was that awful noise in the background of Johnson’s speech earlier? It sounds like grown up children crying. Do the BBC not normally manage to keep white noise out?

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  5. Wink1 says:

    Sorry that this is regarding ITV news but it is more bias. Robert Peston and Rhagi Omar were discussing Boris Johnson when between them three times they called him ‘Johnson ‘ but then went on with calling “Jeremy Corbyn” by his full name! The following item then began with RO talking about the” Prime Minister of the Bahamas….” I really despair!

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  6. StewGreen says:

    Switched on the C5debate
    it wasn’t by Paxman it was Dreadfully Vine
    with Ash Sarkar as one panelist …off

    Looked at Twitter ..angry remainers shouting “Julia-Heartless-Sewer”

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  7. taffman says:

    “Brexit: ‘Election in October’ if MPs block no deal”
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49558596
    There are a lot of MPs in Parliament flying ‘false flags’
    The Tory Party is finished, its The Brexit Party for me from now on.
    Anyone on this website with me?
    “Are you ready”?

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  8. taffman says:

    “Corbyn wants an election despite warning from Tony Blair”
    But is it an “Elephant Trap” ?
    šŸ˜€ šŸ˜€ šŸ˜€

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  9. vlad says:

    Here’s a colourful, diverse and vibrant story from the annual stab-fest in Notting Hill that seems to have eluded the world’s most trusted and subsidised completely:

    “Woman has top of lip bitten off by man who said he was ‘the devil'”

    Nothing like a bit of voodoo and cannibalism to get the party going, eh?

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/crime/woman-has-top-of-lip-bitten-off-by-man-who-said-he-was-the-devil/ar-AAGGymK

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  10. JimS says:

    “Dr David Nicholl challenges Rees-Mogg over no-deal Brexit plan”

    Actually it sounds more like Rees-Mogg challenges Dr Nicholl over his fear-mongering.

    Nicholl asks what level of mortality would be acceptable (‘no deal’) but he is unable to come up with a figure to support his fear but he tells us that he had been responsible for mitigation planning.

    Rees-Mogg, less polite than usual, but brilliantly sharp, says he wasn’t much good at the job, which is exactly right, he clearly didn’t do any mitigation work. More likely Nicholl had been asked to think up worst-case scenarios and hadn’t been involved in the next stage where numbers are put against the risks, i.e. expected mortality rates.

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    • tamimisledus says:

      I wonder how much experience the doctor has had in devising and implementing a plan, then suffering the conseqences when the plan goes wrong (as they all do to a degree). And how many of them impact the lifes of any but a few, much less the fate of an entire nation?

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  11. Halifax says:

    Another stupid story ‘re Brexit…I despair.

    UK-registered cars will need to display a GB sticker in the Republic of Ireland after Brexit, the government has said.

    NewĀ government advice said the sticker must be displayedĀ in any EU country.

    Motorists from the UK driving in the Republic areĀ currently advised to display the sticker, but the rule is not widely enforced.

    So you have to display one if your driving a UK car in Ireland today and if we leave you still have to show one……That’s worth Ā£150 isn’t it

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      Iā€™ve heard a rumour theyā€™ll also have to drive on the right in France.

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  12. Guest Who says:

    BBC Moaning emole.

    ā€œHurricane Dorian: Five confirmed dead

    The damage caused by Dorian, the second-strongest Atlantic hurricane on record, is being revealed. At least five people have been killed in the Bahamas, with 13,000 houses feared damaged or destroyed. Dorian is later expected to move “dangerously close” to the US east coast. It has weakened somewhat, but maximum sustained winds near 150mph (240 km/h) are still being reported.

    The BBC looks at the risks the hurricane poses to the region.ā€

    A Cat 5 hurricane is a literal big beast force of nature. So the risks are likely massive. And deaths, tragic for certain, are inevitable. As is damage.

    How the bbc spins this in its ā€˜lookā€™ will be telling.

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  13. Guest Who says:

    Subtle, BBC, subtle.

    Ash is a top choice.

    Guessing Paul Mason was too busy?

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    • EmptyingDadsShed says:

      By having a National Socialist in charge ?????

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    • Thoughtful says:

      Listening to that teaser the BBC are going to heavily cherry pick what they want the public to hear.
      The first thing to go was freedom of speech, just like its gone here, but you can bet they will avoid drawing parallels with the UK today like the plague, because it’s too close.

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  14. Dover Sentry says:

    More Project fear as favoured by the BBC.

    On LBC Radio, Dr David Nicholl phoned in to speak about deaths that would be caused after Brexit. He also co-wrote Operation Yellow Hammer, the recent Project Fear document that was leaked. Rees-Mogg dealt firmly with him and called him a Remoaner.

    This is the Doctor’s Left Wing background:-

    “Dr David Nicholl is a neurologist, human rights activist, fundraiser for Amnesty International, and online columnist from Belfast, Northern Ireland. In March 2006 he initiated a letter in the medical journal The Lancet, signed by more than 250 medical experts urging the United States to stop force-feeding at the Guantanamo Bay and close down the prison camp. He is also a principal author of a reference work on neurological conditions”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Nicholl_(neurologist)

    Video is here of the radio clash šŸ™‚

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7420633/Jacob-Rees-Mogg-clashes-doctor-extraordinary-radio-row-NHS-shortage-fears-Brexit.html

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    • G says:

      DS,
      “…….a reference work on neurological conditionsā€. I’m surprised that quotation elsewhere being hosted can get away with references to islam in that manner.

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    • tamimisledus says:

      …. and absolutely no experience in devising and implementing disaster plans …

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  15. Fedup2 says:

    Toady watch
    The lovely unelected shabi chaki on top form this morning close to ranting about what labour is/ isnā€™t doing with brexit .

    Iā€™ll be honest – Iā€™ve lost it. I thought Iā€™d played the various options/ outcomes coming toward 31 October but Iā€™ve not done news for 24 hours so seem out of the loop .

    Back to Shabi – who actually sounds panicked as she realises that Dom Cummins is out flanking remainers to carry through the will of the majority .

    The bee keeper bbc type failed to challenge Shabi ( as usual ) withdrivel about remainers and brexiters ā€˜ standing together ā€˜ to challenge BoJo closing their parliament .

    I was really interested in what Shabi had to say about anti semitism in her Party – but she was never asked and never is . Bullying of Jews isnā€™t on the agenda for the BBC – is the BBC institutionally anti Semitic?

    Note – I am not Jewish – and I went to Israel on holiday once . Iā€™d go again.

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    • Guest Who says:

      Baroness Shami looks more haunted each time they wheel her out. The mirror in her loft must be made of stern stuff.

      https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/how-to-solve-the-problem-of-the-bbc/?

      Beyond their own staff and views, the bbc seems to be solving the problem it represents well in its choice of ā€˜guestā€™ to act as a one degree of separation mouthpiece via their channels.

      Ash explaining the rise of Nazism as an ā€˜expertā€™… er… communist.

      Shami representing the trusted and competent face of Labour.

      Konnie Huq via Vile (Ok, Ch 5, but two Beeboids) making Yasmin seem rational.

      Wolfie Mason on Newsnight, new home for a new rabid Remainer editor in complement to all the other rabid Remainer editors.

      Good look, bbc. Not.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Guest
        I think you hit one of those many reasons why the status of the BBC is diminishing in the British publicsā€™ view so quickly .

        Producers / editors introduce an opinionated mouthpiece such as the lot you list and then stick with them . Rolled out routinely to rehearse the same line – often unchallenged or where their view is the majority .

        It is just bad , lazy and does a disservice to those who pay the licence tax . I will never pay it with the BBC in its current form .

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        • Guest Who says:

          The pond from which they draw is as shallow as it is fetid.

          How OFCOM and the DCMS hope to retain credibility allowing this poor excuse for a supposed trusted educator and informer use such obvious and discredited techniques is quite… unique.

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      • Up2snuff says:

        Guest “Baroness Shami looks more haunted each time they wheel her out. The mirror in her loft must be made of stern stuff.”

        Brilliant!

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      • Guest Who says:

        The BBC Ash obsession gets the ITBB treatment:

        http://isthebbcbiased.blogspot.com/2019/09/ash-sarkar-again.html

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      • G says:

        GW,
        “haunted “? The day may well come when that’s, ‘hunted’

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      • tamimisledus says:

        Correction if I may.
        That would be well known democrat Shami, who has never been democratically elected to any position, now sitting in the unelected, undemocrat House of Lords.

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    • Terminal Moraine says:

      Fedup ā€” I skimmed your post, saw something about Brexit and what I thought was a reference to the Withdrivel Agreement.

      Did I get it wrong?

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  16. digg says:

    Can’t help but notice the screen-time being given to Blair yesterday by the MSM. Blathering on about another referendum as if that would help! I think it reveals a desperation in the MSM as they see things slipping away and so decide to call on “Nosferatu” to attack.

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  17. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #1 – The Sham

    The Battling Brexit BBC bring on Shami ‘once-upon-a-time-champion-of-the-people’ Chakrabarti. Shami makes it quite clear that she is 1. on the side of Remain and anti-Brexit MPs, 2. a Labour drone, appearing/pretending to be on the side of the people, and 3. against a No-Deal Brexit which is code for being against Brexit and democracy and a democratic decision.

    It is quite amazing what a Peerage can buy.

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  18. davylars says:

    Hurricane Dorian downgraded to Category 3 storm, continues its assault on the Bahamas
    https://www.foxnews.com/world/hurricane-dorian-downgraded-to-category-3-storm-continues-its-assault-on-the-bahamas

    This is going to disappoint our. National broadcaster..

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  19. Fedup2 says:

    Toady 2

    Phillip ā€˜ remainer ā€˜ Hammond chats with Justin . Hammond was re selected by his local constituency – but it was only the executive – not the membership . They were stopped from voting ( him put) So now the members are trying to get rid of Philsā€™ friends in the Executive mafia .
    Funny how Justin doesnā€™t talk about this . Bias by omission . And -you see – that isnā€™t corruption – thatā€™s democracy . So flexible isnā€™t it?

    So we have lived through a leave vote then stuck with Hammond and May delaying and lying again and again in order to corrode support for brexit .

    Now Hammond and his lying traitors ( not emotional comment – just fact ) and willing to go through the lobby with the likes of Comrade Corbyn .

    Hammond even through in an attack on Dom Cummins for not being a Party Member – doesnā€™t look like thatā€™s worth much of you look at treacherous creatures like Hammond .

    Justin raised, for no reason other than mischief , the sacking of a SPAd for alleged leaking to harm brexit . Oh the Biased BBC .

    I was going to call him ā€˜ verminā€™ but thatā€™s on fair on such creatures .

    Meanwhile of course – the ReichEU knows that it has a bargain in the sell out it has constructed and will not change .

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      Surely no one can witness Hammondā€™s actions and conclude anything other than that Mayā€™s government was actively sabotaging Brexit.

      Weā€™re at the stage now where arguments are irrelevant. No one is listening any more. Trenches have been dug, positions fixed and nothing other than total victory will suffice. Two years ago Iā€™d probably have reluctantly accepted some compromise. Not now. Not after all the lies and duplicity.

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    • tarien says:

      An utter disgrace to this nation and to the high position in Government he once held-his treachery has been in place since T May took the role of Prime Minister-Hammond shows all the signs of one who has been approached by the Elites that want a New One World Order-it is to be recognised that their power is immense and to have the UK leave the EU was not and is not in their scheme of things-they would recognise and support a State of the EU, all of us under their control-Corbyn would not be included in such an affair, his apparent support of Communism added to his madness in most things would not suit them. Whilst we all abhor the treachery by so many MP’s against in most cases their constituents, let alone the Prime Minister, one can be forgiven for being somewhat circumspect as to our future.

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  20. Fedup2 says:

    Funny when we are living in a time where the next general election could be the last ā€˜ fair ā€˜ one – with a coming Corbyn majority fixing elections to corrupt votes in the way Peterborough was ….

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  21. Guest Who says:

    BBC impartial editors.

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    • Guest Who says:

      More on bbc editors.

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      • Roland Deschain says:

        Widely respected within the bubble, perhaps. Detested outwith as being part of the problem, not the solution.

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  22. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #2 – Spreadsheet Phil spreads sheets

    Is it possible:
    1. Dominic Cummings is an anti-Brexit Fifth Columnist?
    2. Sonia Khan is an anti-Brexit Fifth Columnist?
    3. Dominic & Sonia are both dedicated Brexiteers and dedicated to serving new PM and Queen & country and have an elaborate and cunning plan?

    Interesting.

    You decide.

    Interesting when Remainers spread the sheet about specific people, it can be quite revealing about them.

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  23. Jeff says:

    I pretty much avoid the BBC these days, but I saw snippets of an interview they did this morning with the delightful Shami Chakki.
    They allowed her to refer to Boris and his cabinet as “thugs.” No one pulled her up about it, they just say there smiling.
    She then continued and made reference to the sacking of Hammond’s former aid (can’t remember her name) and said she was forcibly removed “at gunpoint” Absolute cobblers. She was escorted from the premises by a policeman who happened to be armed, as they all are in this vicinity…he wasn’t pointing his gun at her.
    While Chakki was spewing dishonest bile the BBC “journalists” sat there gormlessly grinning like Dumb and Dumber.
    Mind you…

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    • G says:

      Jeff,
      The ‘aid’ was Javid’s if I’m not mistaken. Whether he inherited the muslim from Hammond I’m not sure though.

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      • Jeff says:

        Oh, yes, sorry, you’re right.
        They had laughing boy, Hammond, on a little later being as cheerful as ever.
        Economic apocalypse, disaster, famine and flood. No medicine, no food, no cars…there’s even going to be a shortage of water.
        Blimey, I’d love to be stuck in a trench with him!

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    • tarien says:

      Chak-rabati is an annoying little nat flying around without any coherent views or able to bring any sence to any discussion without resorting to rudeness of one kind or another, due mainly to her poor knowledge of the English Language. Why on earth was she given a title? She is one I would return forthwith to her country of origin, and revoke her citizenship immediately. Yes I am a benevolent dictator !

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Jeff & G, tis the Sonia Khan I refered to above; she was at Treasury so worked for Spreadsheet Phil before Sajid Javid.

      I guess that she was supposed to have been leaking stuff from inside the Johnson administration to Brexit opponents, like the previous Chancellor.

      I was surprised in that interview (by JustRemainIn Webb) in that he posed several tough questions to Phil Hammond from a pro-Brexit angle although Hammond’s replies were not challenged in the way that those from Brexiteers are.

      If Sonia Khan is a keen Brexiteer as her previous boss said, I found myself wondering if Cummings & Khan had created a little diversionary manoeuvre for Remainers to froth about. It obviously worked with Shami. Why hasn’t any damning evidence been released by Cummings?

      On the other hand, it could be that Sonia Khan was just a stoolie or double agent, pretending to be pro-Brexit but in reality spying for Remain.

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    • johndba says:

      I saw this and I was disgusted that a so called civilised and educated person could resort to that sort of language about another human being. If this was said about a Left wing person the outrage would be off the richter scale. The bbc should have asked to withdraw trhe comment.

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  24. Fedup2 says:

    Jeff
    Shabi has always been an example of the need to believe the reverse of what she was saying .for instance – when she was in charge of the falsely named ā€˜liberty ā€˜ she professed neutrality – no party affiliation – yet she resigns , gets commissioned to white wash labour anti Jewish ā€˜cultureā€™ and gets a peerage from Corbyn for it .

    Has never held elected office – like so many the bBC go to for a sound bite the editors favour …

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    • G says:

      Fed,
      Never would we have believed that in her tenure as the head of, ‘Liberty’ would she eventually emerge, finally, as a planted Marxist. They’re appearing all over the place daily.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        G
        The serious problem is that the track record and motivation of such people are not examined or known to decent ordinary people who are lucky enough to have no interest in the bubble . People here look at it . I imagine sometimes the laughter which happens when shami and her type get together and toast the gullibility of the public in what she does and says through the eager support of the BBC .

        Tomorrow another one will be rolled out -Adonis – heseltine – Toynbee – alibi – and listened to without proper challenge .

        Eg – no one ever says to hezza – you get ā‚¬90000 from the EU every year ? Right ?

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      • Cassandra says:

        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/12/disgraced-iraq-abuse-lawyer-phil-shiner-did-good-work-lost-way/

        Shami was a good friend of Phil Shiner:

        ShinnerShinner-825838.jpg

        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/02/calls-human-rights-lawyer-phil-shiner-pursued-decade-long-witch/

        “A human rights lawyer who pursued a decade-long ā€œwitch huntā€ against innocent British soldiers was last night facing calls to be prosecuted after he was struck off.

        Phil Shiner was described as a ā€œmodern-day traitorā€ after a tribunal found he acted dishonestly, recklessly and without integrity while bringing false allegations of murder, torture and mistreatment against hundreds of soldiers.
        The National Crime Agency is now investigating after the Legal Aid Agency (LAA) passed a file to them for a possible prosecution.
        The LAA said last night that it was also looking at recovering Ā£3ā€‰million of funds it gave to his firm, Public Interest Lawyers, over a decade.”

        Shami said of this charlatan:

        “…Baroness Chakrabarti went on: ā€œIn the past Mr Shiner did some very good work that has been upheld by a judicial inquiry into, for example, the torture and killing of Baha Mousa in Iraq.”
        Mr Shiner, who set up Birmingham-based Public Interest Lawyers, was made Libertyā€™s human rights lawyer of the year in 2004, when Baroness Chakrabarti was director of the campaign group.
        At the time her organisation praised his ā€œoutstanding skill and tenacity in taking test cases to protect the rights of Iraqi civilians tortured and killed by British forcesā€.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Shiner

        “Shiner declared himself bankrupt in March 2017 owing almost Ā£7 million. In February 2018, the Insolvency Service (IS) found that Shiner had sold his own house to his family and put it into trust that had allowed him to live there. He also sold two commercial properties for Ā£550,000 each and also transferred two Ā£3,500 guitars into the family trust. The IS estimates they have recovered over Ā£483,000, but that there is another Ā£6.5 million to locate.”

        My mother used to say that you could always judge a person by the company they keep.

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        • Fedup2 says:

          Got to hand it to Mr Shiner . He takes the immorality of the legal sharks to new heights .
          Fellow lawyers must admire him greatly – and his use of techniques to avoid liability would make Satan proud .

          But goes around – comes around …

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  25. G says:

    Here’s another comment by the Constitutional Law Group’s, Philip Allott , Professor Emeritus of International Public Law at Cambridge University. Dare I say, ‘allott’ of one-sided Remoaning if I’m not mistaken.
    Ok, spot the references in Allott’s article to UK law which provides automatic withdrawal 31.10.19 ? No, can’t see it? Numerous references to Art.50 from across the Channel but not the law that counts. Well, well. I guess we could say not ‘allott’ of balance in his opinion then.
    Notice the ‘system’ of Marxists, Globalists and, not forgetting the EU, are creating literally a ‘wall’ of doubt about leaving the EU. They’re all on the giant bandwagon. Volume approaching max on the dial.
    https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2019/09/03/philip-allott-the-legality-of-a-no-deal-brexit-could-be-challenged/

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  26. Deborah says:

    For family reasons I wanted to know what was happening to Hurricane Dorian. I couldnā€™t face Toady this morning and decided to try BBC1 Breakfast. There were 2 presenters sitting at a table somewhere in front of the Houses of Parliament carefully arranged 3 EU flags between them and several more flying high above them. If you looked to their left you could see that a different camera angle would have produced less blue. The only stories about Dorian were the same as last nights 10pm news.

    Eventually searching the Internet I found that Fox News tells Dorian downgraded to category 3.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Deb
      Apparently the damn thing is barely moving sobthe Bahamas are getting it . Iā€™m sure various navyā€™s are waiting to move in . UK wastes taxpayers ā€˜ cash but I bet the RN wonā€™t be far away for a real cause

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  27. Beltane says:

    Never a pleasure to watch or listen to Phillip Hammond at any time, but at least his latest outpourings confirm that he has spent the past three years assiduously working to ensure we won’t leave the EU. And, of course, that he was appointed by Mrs May precisely for that purpose.
    Apologies to Raymond who made the same point earlier but I didn’t scroll back far enough – an all too frequent reality.

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  28. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    This possible election date of October 14th.

    Where is the logic in this?

    If the Conservatives want to win it then leave on the 31st and success is guaranteed.
    Holding the election 2 weeks before we leave will mean prospective Tory voters will be highly (and rightly) suspicious that some stitch up will happen such as the WA with a slight amendment. Many will vote TBP and the election will probably be lost to lib/lab/the rest.

    Why hold the GE 2 weeks before supposedly leaving. It only makes sense if leaving properly is not going to happen and they donā€™t want us to know. They can imply that we will be leaving but nobody believes politicians any more and we would expect them to fiddle any ā€˜leaveā€™ scenario to be brino.

    Maybe a BP/Tory agreement before the GE would see them win as most of us believe Nigel but will this happen.

    Simply put.
    Election before 31 October when we are still in = Tory defeat.
    Election after 31 October if we are completely out = massive Tory victory.

    To me this seems so obvious, a no brainier.
    I hope Boris and Dominic can see this and do the right thing.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Am puzzled by suggestions of Election on 14th October.
      1. GEs normally require at least six clear weeks, and
      2. Bit rude to shove Speech from HM aside. šŸ™

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    • Dover Sentry says:

      The date of the GE is flexible. Boris will use this ti his advantage. The 14th is being used to concentrate the minds of MPs. In a nice way of course….

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  29. G.W.F. says:

    I think this is relevant to BBC Bias. It is what they serve up every day

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  30. pugnazious says:

    Yet another very lightweight interview with a Remainer on Today with Hammond getting away with it. He only faced one awkward question….isn’t his stance actually blocking negotiations? Hammond managed to muster some indignation wthout smirking and declared that was nonsense…no fight back from the Beeb of course.
    He continued summoning up even more indignation as he declared himself a true and loyal Tory who wouldn’t be run out of the Tory Party. Naturally no push back there either.

    This statement is now the BBC’s topic of the day…poor old fauithful Hammond being ejected from a party that is becoming an extremist Brexit party….it’s all very unfair that he should be, possibly, asked to leave.

    Hmmm…the man who wants to bring down the Tory government, to remove a Tory Prime MInister, who opposes Tory government policy, who collaborates with the Labour Party and works in the interests of a foreign power against British national interests. Old Faithful? If he was a dog you’d have him put down.
    The BBC keeps referring to May and how ‘tolerant’ she was of dissenters…except of course they weren’t dissenters….Hammond, who spoke openly against May’s official, public stance [not her real position] was in fact just telling us what May really wanted…hence she never sacked him when he was clearly ‘blocking’ brexit…it suited May completely. This wasn’t tolerance it was Hammond doing May’s dirty work and May being deceitful and dishonest with the Public.

    I’m fascinated to know what these Remainers who want to merely block no-deal [lol] expect to happen. The BBC isn’t too keen to investigate.
    Barnier says May’s deal is it, no more negotiation, therefore, as it’s been rejected three times by Parliament that’s a non-runner, no-deal is off the table[they hope] so what’s left? Remain.

    Between the EU and its collaborators in the British Parliament the voters have been stitched up. But does the BBC notice? Does it hold those Remainers to account and challenge their lies and betrayal as democracy in this country is sabotaged and subverted?

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  31. Scroblene says:

    Amazing microphones they have on the bbbc reporter’s ‘team’, (or collective of rag-tag numpties).

    Last night, sleepless in Kent, the dull old Rhod Sharpe struggled up to the news time, and one of the items was the Prime Minister’s speech in Downing street.

    Compare the ranting rabble noise in Whitehall to the actual event yesterday…

    Decibels of rubbish-yellers on R5, 56,00009, other stations 45% of that!

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  32. G says:

    I reported here earlier today about the apparent rush for Constitutional academics to add their two-pennyworth to the prorogue debate in view of the looming legal challenges. The ‘Elephant in the Room’ with this appraisal is that this Professor (from Oxford this time – Cambridge previously) fails to make any mention of the three past years of debate and philandering. Not forgetting that those wanting more time to philander, purely and simply seek Remain only.
    https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2019/09/03/jacob-rowbottom-political-purposes-and-the-prorogation-of-parliament/
    More Marxists emerging from the drains they occupy full time. Its becoming rapidly obvious to me that this crisis will either result in change – the sort of change I speculate others here would welcome or, it is really the end of the first so-called, ‘Democracy’ in the World. Maybe shortly to be overrun by Marxist/Globalists. A fight to death which unexpectedly has opened up so many opportunities for some, minded to destroy the UK.

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  33. NISA says:

    How tracking menstrual cycles helps women in sport
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49426349

    Surely not long before such fine tuning is irrelevant. Any woman who is actually affected by “the curse” will be an also ran in sport.

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  34. Doublethinker says:

    I must plug the article on todayā€™s Conservative Woman web site about ways to reform the BBC to make it what it was always supposed to be. Personally I think that it is beyond reform but the author does raise some interesting suggestions and if these were to be implemented en block the BBC would certainly be better then it is today.

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  35. Terminal Moraine says:

    Compare / contrast from a couple of weeks ago: “Barcelona crime wave tarnishes boom in tourism.”

    BBC version: “While the authorities and the police acknowledge that the Catalan capital is struggling to cope with this trend, they do not see one clear cause driving it.” BBC says claims that migrant children are responsible are fuelled by the conservative Popular Party, while the [very very left] Barcelona mayor Ada Colau denies any such link.

    El Pais version: Catalan regional police force and University of Barcelona Sociologist say it’s down to arrival of unaccompanied migrants mostly under 18.

    DEFCON 5 levels of denial.

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  36. fakenewswatcher says:

    Beeb TV 13h00 news: Norman Smith is overjoyed: “Parliament is back. It’s all change”. He can barely contain himself. His hero Hammond is going to hammer Boris. Of course, he has forgotten all about THE PEOPLE. Easy mistake to make amid the EU flags fluttering and champagne flowing at Westminster.
    Pathetic little man. Typical ‘impartial’ journalist showing his true colours: red.
    Along comes Dharshini David, heading up project fear. She thinks the pound is going to fall, fall, fall and our groceries will be getting more expensive.
    Off to Edinburgh: Lorna Gordon is excited: she has found a Scottish judge who will ramble on, self-importantly, as judges do. They make Boris sound like a modern day Adolf Hitler.
    We’ve been hearing a lot in that vein. Boris managed to pop up with Hitler in a R4 poetry review of a poem by WH Auden. Where will he pop up next? When will he appear with Swastika armband? Will he move No10 to Berchtesgaden? Boris will need a German sheepdog/Alsation, not a Jack Russell!
    Even the Jack Russell probably knows: the sovereignty of parliament derives from THE SOVEREIGNTY OF THE PEOPLE! They have spoken.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Fake – much admiration for Watching the BBC news . I canā€™t do it much any more . I feel guilty for having looked at it afterwards and feel as though Iā€™m encouraging them and their overtly biased message .
      They are all deep in their Remain Bunker , they pretend the EU elections never happened , pretend Nigel Farage doesnā€™t exist – prefer ritual noises by traitors singing their song .

      Hysteria is in the air – and as for twitter – which I look at but donā€™t engage – talk of gassing brexiters and with holding flu jabs from ā€˜ them ā€˜ .

      Beyond nasty now . This website wonā€™t get like that – even as the clock ticks and whatever the outcome .
      Funny though – if these conditions had applied a couple of hundred years ago theyā€™d be a civil war by now

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      • fakenewswatcher says:

        Fed- I understand your dilemma and have every sympathy for your position.
        You missed nothing, a poor quality bulletin in which we learnt nothing we don’t already know.
        I suppose I watch because of my military training (rather a long, long time ago) during which they drummed in the message: ‘keep an eye on the enemy; make sure you always know what they’re up to’.
        (Not that there’s a lot I can do about it…)
        I shall now go and see whether the Parliament Channel is operative.

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    • SPC says:

      I agree with everything you say apart from Brexit being a left or right isssue. Where did that come from? It never was the case – battle lines have been re-drawn for no apparent reason.

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  37. JamesArthur says:

    I was driving this morning and surprisingly between 9 and 10 R4 had some interesting non political non bias non sexist programmes..but unfortunately before and since it is a world of soundbites from Remainers about their moral high ground and how their way is the right way – I just hope Boris has a plan that they haven’t thought of…
    Ps how do I add a picture from my pc? Tried the link at bottom

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    • Fedup2 says:

      James
      Iā€™m guess you are referring to the excellent peter Hennessy and his book which he is reading as book of the week . Mr ( lord ) Hennessy is one of the few who can deliver without the need for ranting .

      Which is why , sadly , we donā€™t see much of him.
      Declaration – we share the same church and uni .
      But Iā€™ve never met him .

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      • JamesArthur says:

        Yes Fedup
        but also the pieces on old news paper headlines which I found quite interesting

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  38. fakenewswatcher says:

    Oh dear, beeb tv news are having a ‘Reality Check’: Chris Morris thinks a game of three-dimensional chess is going on and that ‘not many know how to play that’. Beeb and reality. Isn’t that an oxymoron?
    I’m sure John Bercow (Labour, but pretending to be a Tory since he was elected – essentially by Labour MPs) will turn out to be absolutely riveting at it.
    And if you think beeb managed to put a lot of EU flags in the background of their reporting, try ITV. ITV are talking to Catherine Haddon, a ‘constitutional expert’. She thinks the legal challenge to Boris is an unknown quantity.
    Dear oh dear! She’ll have to go over to beeb for a reality check. What is the world coming too if even the ‘experts’ don’t know nuffink?

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Iā€™m having great difficulty choosing which popcorn brand to use across this farce …

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  39. StewGreen says:

    Leeds knife murder of a black guy Tcherno Ly
    a 19 year old Ben Nami has been charged
    … the surname seems non traditional, but no photos care available.

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  40. Dover Sentry says:

    Brexit is safe. Any legislation passed by the Remoaners can and will be stopped by Boris. It’s democratic and legal to do so.

    He won’t bother with an election.

    He’ll clear out the traitor Tory MPs at metaphorical bayonet point.

    The EU don’t want a deal.

    Job done.

    I’m now off to Wetherspoons to meet Tim Martin in a metaphorical way. Almost literally, my friends….

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  41. StewGreen says:

    Saturday’s Yorkshire Post
    Rotherham judge said ‘Authorities were fully aware of the plight of teenage girls who endured a prolonged campaign of sexual abuse in Rotherham’
    … Nothing shows up on Google

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    • vlad says:

      When the pakistani muslim paedo rape gangs are mentioned at all, it’s always Rotherham. But what about the dozens of other towns where the same thing was going on for decades, and which the authorities and our beloved beeb KNEW ABOUT but covered up?!

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  42. Nibor says:

    A little aside
    One day , I meant to make a prawn cocktail . Stupid me , I mistook the cabbage for the lettuce . I`d chopped it up , poured all the ingredients over , spiced it with Tabasco and devoured .
    Do you know what , it was good . I was surprised but the extra crunchiness was enjoyable and I doubt no one would knowthe difference .
    So if Spanish lettuces go through the roof in price ” due to Brexit” try other ingredients .

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    • cromwell says:

      Yes you can adapt food available, we did it when we have had inclement weather in the past either drought or too wet. Too many snowflakes and
      People who were not taught to do cooking just reheating food in microwaves. Wasnt it early this year that we couldn’t have lettuces because of very bad weather in Spain? I heard on Bbbc that we wouldn’t have strawberries, tomatoes and lettuces if we left without a deal! Well I for one have stopped buying strawberries in the winter they are overpriced dry tasteless hard fruit and by the way all the ones I see in the autumn and winter come from either Morroco or Egypt so not from Eu. The tomatoes are watery at that time of year. Plenty of good veg for the winter in this country, this weekend I bought carrots from shropshire, potatoes were from Wales Swede and cabbage from Lincolnshire. What’s not too like. Get stuffed Eu.

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  43. StewGreen says:

    3:30pm R4 Cole Moreton arrives in Dover and speaks to
    #1 fishermen who have rescued migrants from the Channel,
    #2 a teenage Afghan who made the crossing in a chip lorry
    #3 a yacht commodore who joined the French Foreign Legion.

    The 3pm show just began with a item about a gay/trans country singer from 1974

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  44. StewGreen says:

    8pm R4 Journalist and comedian Jordan Dunbar asks
    if English secondary schools’ new Relationships and Sex Education curriculum is good news for pupils, parents and society at large

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  45. StewGreen says:

    Reading last weeks papers, I see Comey broke FBI document rules.


    There was a bbc story
    Yet I’ve never heard it
    nor did they tweet ut themselves

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  46. Doobster78 says:

    Could Thornberry be anymore dramatic ?? Project Fear at is laughable best !!!

    There is a testy exchange in the Commons between shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry and Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab.

    She asks if the government has asked for “legal advice on how coroners would be expected to record the deaths of anyone who looses their life after 31 October through entirely preventable medicine shortages”.

    Mr Raab replies that medicines are regularly stockpiled, even “without the context of Brexit”.

    Ms Thornberry says some essential medicines cannot be stockpiled and says coroners could rule that individuals who die after being denied medicine have died “as a result of neglect”.

    “This is no way to run a country,” she says.

    Mr Raab says it is “shameful” of the shadow foreign secretary to “scaremonger in the appalling way she has”.

    He adds that medical supplies will be “protected in all scenarios”.

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    • JamesArthur says:

      Doob
      She is bloody nutcase….and exemplifies the standard of MPs today.
      There have been medicine shortages every year before and after the Brexit vote and there are some now – not related to Brexit – but of course they won’t acknowledge that – it’s all the fault of Brexit…
      I really am not listening to any news today due to the incessant rantings and ravings – and they call us the stupid ones…

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      • G.W.F. says:

        Shortage of medicine after Brexit? No problem. Confiscate any illegal drugs which may be brought in by illegal immigrants and let each one carry a bag full of medicines when they cross the channel and ensure they are handed in when our police escort them to their council flats As for the illegals who are doctors and brain surgeons, they can take them directly to the NHS hospitals so desperate to employ them.

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  47. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Now that Phillip Lee has defected to the libdems from the Tory Party I expect we will have a by election as his constituency voted in a conservative and not a Libdem.

    When the two defected to UKIP (Reckless and Carswell) they both held by elections as any honourable person would.

    For those who say ā€œhis was a remainer constituency so he should vote remainā€ then this should also be true of the 60% of labour constituencies which voted leave. Their MPs should also vote leave.
    Iā€™m not holding my breath though, the 3 labour MPs here in leave majority Sunderland are all remainers who will go against their constituents because they think they know better than their voters.

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    • Northern Dreamer says:

      I understand best estimate for Phillip Lee’s Bracknell constituency was 54%:46% in favour of LEAVE.

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      • Emmanuel Goldstein says:

        ND.
        I must have read the wrong comment or letter (or itā€™s the Alzheimerā€™s kicking in)
        Having a leave constituency makes it worse. They certainly donā€™t want a libdem remainer.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Emmanuel, the vote was nationwide. It was not counted on a constituency basis. The exercise of attributing the total vote between Leave & Remain by constituency was merely an academic exercise. Dr Hanretty, the one who carried it out, added various qualifications that it might not be accurate.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        I put up the ā€˜voting area ā€˜ results a few posts ago as GE constituency boundaries were not always the same as the areas for the referendum count .

        This is , I think , academic as I feel that the corrupt parliament with its traitor speaker are putting in the fix to dishonour the 17.4 million and umpteen leave votes .

        Triumphant remainers might make the atmosphere even more malevolent than it already is . The state police might have their work cut out protecting 500 plus remainer MPs and god knows how many peer Remainers ? 700 ? if it should get really nasty…

        Maybe the European Defence Force will be called in from across the French Channel to protect their politicians who will have served the Reich EU cause so well.

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  48. Fedup2 says:

    Watching the Parliament Channel – if itā€™s possible to step back and try to see how Britain will be like at the end of the year .

    The only way you I can see any advance in the split is for a clear out of the current parliament and see what a new one looks like . The fixed term parliament was just lunatic and has to be withdrawn .
    How will people react to a withdrawal of A50 or another referendum with questions fixed to deliver remain . How far will hostility go – if we are to remain on a fixed vote ?

    As an aside the opposition really have it in for Dom Cummings – considering heā€™s only been in a month thatā€™s quite an impact .

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  49. JimS says:

    Why 16 year-olds shouldn’t be allowed to vote, (from The Guardian)

    Not every Wiganer is pro-Brexit. Leah Tunstall, 16, and her friends said it was unfair they were not allowed a vote and that, if they could, they would choose to stay in the EU. ā€œWhen we leave weā€™re going to have no good [currency rate] for America. My parents are very stressed about that. We are going to have to have passports everywhere. They shouldnā€™t have done it,ā€ said Tunstall.

    Thanks to the ‘brown-eyed boys’ dear Leah you need a passport to fly anywhere and you certainly need one to go to the EU now. The way the EU is going it can’t be too long before, if we stay in the EU, we wil drop off the USA visa waiver scheme. Can’t be too careful about Merkel’s new lads.

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  50. SPC says:

    BBC doing its stuff as usual – Swamp them with negative comments – Complain officially – update to OFFCOM after the usual negative BBC response. It will have an effect eventually for the future. At the next licence review they might get a shock if we still have a Conservative government.

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