Midweek Open Thread 14 August 2019

Over to all sufferers of Biased BBC output

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  1. fakenewswatcher says:

    The Swiss ‘Neue Zuericher Zeitung’ is a quality mainstream paper, lately getting much criticism from PC colleagues in Germany, for not toeing the PC line.
    It reports today that in the old East of the country the conservative AfD is likely to get more than 20% of the upcoming vote in 3 Federal states there, and does an analysis of why the former Communist sector is not so keen on Comrade Merkel any more. In fact, it is almost becoming a separate country once again, ever less likely to support the two ‘big’ parties (which are no longer big but rather cunning).
    In part, it says, her style reminds them too much of the late Comrade Honecker of the former GDR.
    In other words, when you’ve seen it all before, you’re that much wiser. The western part of the country slumbers on, not having benefitted from such exposure.

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  2. NameNotNumber says:

    Not BBC, but Nick Ferrari on LBC this morning making a big song and dance about how ’offensive’ he found Bank’s tweet re Thunberg while, at the same time, having no problem waving through a comment made by a caller advocating ‘Banks should be strung up’.
    Banks comment was obviously a bad joke but I’m not so sure about the caller’s intentions.

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    • andyjsnape says:

      Throwing acid is a bad joke, but thats okay and supported by beeb

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      Ferrari has turned into a right shit-stirrer recently. The other day he was trying to make out that because Boris said remainers were collaborating with the EU to stop Brexit, that meant he was calling remainers Collaborators.

      I turned over to TalkRADIO in the car, only to get a horrible shock on the way home when Gavin Esler popped up as presenter.

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  3. Doobster78 says:

    Re-tweeted by Caroline Lucas

    George Soros ? Pakistani / Asian community Postal vote rigging ? Funny how the the funding for The Brexit Party or Leave is only ever a problem ? Any dodgy dealings for Remain / Left ….brushed under the carpet.

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  4. andyjsnape says:

    its the FAR RIGHT AGAIN

    Stanwell Tesco stabbing: ‘Far-right’ knifeman admits attack

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-49369683

    So lets get this right, (not left), is it all working out the social integration

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  5. Doobster78 says:

    Just pathetic BBC ….embarrassing. And they wonder why people think the BBC are anti brexit. This article is beyond negative and they have managed to find some real life liberal softies to push their narrative.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49355891

    “Richard Ward, a 29-year-old project manager from Leicester, has also put some of his spending on hold.

    He and his wife Emma, a children’s nurse, put off booking a short holiday to Poland or Hungary due to Brexit being postponed.

    They are concerned about the pound dropping while they are away, and the holiday becoming more expensive.

    3 words Mr Ward …. GROW A PAIR !!!!!

    Jesus wept, he really did !!!

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    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Doobster- and what about poor Mr Rutter, who now can’t get a new car every two years!
      The suffering is really horrible to behold.

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      • Doobster78 says:

        Heartbreaking isn’t it. To be honest if i knew me voting Leave was going to cause Mr Rutter this kind of inconvenience, i may have changed. Clearly, as stated many times, i didn’t know what i was voting for. !! Really sorry Mr Rutter.

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        • Fedup2 says:

          Well what about me ? I’m booked to be out of UK at the end of September and don’t get back until we are a Free Country again !

          What language will be spoken ? Will the exchange rate send me to a food bank ?

          I did like the line about the exchange rate . If you’re paid upfront by the card you know the cost . And a one percent reduction in pound euro value ? Is the fella on holiday spending millions .

          Insulting the intelligence al BBV

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          • Doobster78 says:

            Fed – Even more bad news i’m afraid … you have clearly forgotten that the value of your house will have dropped 99% by the time you return !! As per George Osbourne. Sorry.

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            • Fedup2 says:

              Doob – yes I forgot the house price crash . I’m still worried though that when I get back Brexit will have caused the leaves to turn brown and fall off the trees . Or is that Global Greta and her warming ….
              Or something more …er… seasonal ?

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    • andyjsnape says:

      1 of the headings in the “report” is DOOMED, apparently

      how many years of doomed reporting is the beeb going to do!

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    • JamesArthur says:

      Doob
      How come they only ever find these idiots..I have just booked 3 European holidays after Oct….and I am a Brexiteer and apparently hate Europe – or is it cos I is thick?
      Pound is climbing against euro 1.10 so the dumb..s could buy the euros and pay for holiday now…of course he loses out if the pound gets stronger but they never think that will happen..
      Jesus wept twice!

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    • Chalkywhite says:

      Look out for the stockpiling ‘articles’…coming to a ‘news’ website anytime soon…..

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  6. Dystopian says:

    Policeman murdered last night 10 arrested including a 13 year old boy. Are the BBC on this yet. Are the perps far right? Doubt it. Mind you, had there been yoof clubs they might not be out burglarising right?

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-police-officer-murdered-after-18945805

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    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Dystopian – now on the beeb website.
      You would expect burglary and murder of police, if you don’t entertain the yoof and give them lots of goodies, wouldn’t you?
      I know when I was young, I regularly looked for police to kill when I got bored. I felt that, if they didn’t give my yoof club £2 million, as demanded by a lady -running a little ‘club’- on the radio yesterday, well, you would, wouldn’t you?
      After all, what harm in a little blackmail? I reckon government should be dealing out £2 million to anyone who got bored. Nuffink to do but watch TV and play games etc. I reckon £2 million here and there is cheap at the price…
      And let’s have softer policing. None of this stop and search stuff, it upsets poor old Diane Abbott. Police should be handing out sweeties. And softer sentences from judges. Let’s give repeat offenders at least a score of offenses before any punishment….
      Oh, ‘punishment’, that’s a bad word, isn’t it? Mustn’t say that. Prison should only be about rehab. They need to be at least up to Travelodge standards.

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      • angryGloster says:

        Travelodge?
        As you sure that is good enuff?

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        • fakenewswatcher says:

          Gloster- to switch the sarcasm off, for a minute, my point is that law enforcement and justice have lost their way in Europe, in general. UK is part of that (I speak of Europe, NOT the EU).
          Last week there were attempts to kill 2 police officers here in England – one with his own car and one with a machete. Now we have a fatal tragedy.
          When the police have become fair game for murder, something has gone seriously wrong in society.
          For starters, they have been constantly undermined by politicians, judges, the media, etc. who all want them to be ‘Mr (and Ms) Nice Guy’. The Left, of course, have motives of their own to neutralise the Law, to the extent that they see themselves as ‘revolutionaries’, anarchists and SJWs.
          What about ‘the Right’?
          As someone who is conservative, I would simply say that murder is murder. If anyone commits it and lays claim to being ‘right-wing’, they need to suffer the consequences of their crime. The fools at the beeb and Guardian (etc) will quickly and eagerly create a ‘right wing terrorism narrative’, and discredit genuine conservatism, which is actually centrist. ‘Right-wing’ smacks of authoritarian government, and we don’t need that. But we do need Law and Order.
          Regrettably, society has moved so far to the Left in the last 50 years, that this distinction between ‘the right’ and the centre, is now not even recognized.
          Nor is there anything ‘right-wing’ about expecting firm policing. It has to do with the first duty of the state: the security of its citizens.
          It goes without saying that police need to treat these citizens with respect, and that they and their difficult work -in turn- be treated with the same respect.
          Heavy sentences for police killers, and those who attempt it, please. Nothing to do with where you stand politically.

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          • vesnadog says:

            fake,

            “When the police have become fair game for murder, something has gone seriously wrong in society”

            Remind them to bend both knees and quote: Evenin-all.

            That will scare the terrorists away any day.

            At least that’s what some anti-gun coppers seem to think.

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          • Helen Richardson says:

            “When the police have become fair game for murder, something has gone seriously wrong in society.”

            I’d say that point was reached when the police started ignoring the mass rape of underage girls.

            I could probably think of several other milestones as well.

            Sorry, plod, but us civilians have been seriously dissatisfied for some time.

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      • LastChanceSaloon says:

        fnw
        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-49368649
        Thames Valley Police officer killed in Berkshire

        PC Andrew Harper, of Thames Valley Police, died at about 23:30 BST on Thursday in Berkshire.

        The force said the 10 males arrested were aged between 13 and 30, and remain in custody.
        [Men!]

        How many police officers are killed on duty?
        In the past 10 years at least 10 officers have been killed during an incident involving a criminal suspect.

        The most recent case was the murder in 2017 of PC Keith Palmer, who was stabbed during the Westminster terror attack in 2017.
        [By Khalid Masood, a devout Buddhist, I have to provide this information because the BBC will not.]

        A number of the other cases have involved officers being struck by vehicles driven by suspects.

        Violence against officers is a common occurrence. In the year to March, there were 30,977 assaults on police officers and a third of these resulted in injury.

        The attack on PC Harper is the third time in recent weeks an officer has been seriously hurt in the line of duty.

        Metropolitan police constable Stuart Outten was stabbed in the head on 8 August.
        [By Muhammad Rodwan, a devout Buddhist.]

        Days later a 42-year-old West Midlands Police officer suffered serious head and pelvic injuries when he was run over with his own vehicle.
        [By another devout Buddhist.
        What is the link between these acts of violence?
        Well it the Buddhist religion with its intolerance of others.
        Clearly Buddhists are not fit to belong to a civilised society.
        They should all be immediately deported from the UK.]

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  7. theisland says:

    TR update.
    Jessica S managed to see him this morning.
    Her report from back of taxi on way to airport (45 mins).

    Mostly OK – but this is the worrying part

    To move him anywhere for a minor court date at that time seems unnecessary and risky given that he is due to be released on 15 September. He is seeing his solicitors about it next week at which point we may learn more. TR said his lawyers have advised him not to accept any ‘legal’ visits except from them (he did receive one such request – presumably from the police?).

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Theisland

      Thank you for posting this . It looks like the state will have another opportunity to give TR an ‘ accident’ if they move him under some contrived court appearance .

      I think he can refuse to leave his cell but I’m not sure – and that could add a prison discipline charge to him .

      What happened to the appeal I wonder ?

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      • Banania says:

        And how could an appeal possibly not succeed, since he has committed no offence? This whole episode is disgraceful.

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  8. andyjsnape says:

    as part of our re-education..

    Home Office role in ‘Woke’ Muslim social network revealed
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-49368872

    thanks beeb, not

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  9. pugnazious says:

    The BBC is, ironically, giving ‘Peterloo’ a lot of sympathetic coverage telling us of the struggle to reform Parliament and make democracy fair and representative….crushed of course by a contemptuous political elite.

    Today had a discussion on it this morning. Normally the BBC is quick to ask what lessons history has for us today and aren’t there some echoes of the past resounding now? Indeed yes, Kashmir, Russia, Harare, Hong Kong, yes we can see people struggling for democracy in those places just as at Peterloo.

    Hmmmm….maybe something closer to home? Maybe we have our very own Peterloo going on in our own country right here, right now.

    Oddly not one of the people in the discussion mentioned Brexit and the attempt by the Remain Establishment to crush the real People’s Vote. How is it that the BBC, which brings Brexit into every discussion, no matter the subject matter, avoids mentioning it in a discussion that is so very redolent of what is going on today…the crushing of The People’s voice by an elite? MPs hijack government, they abuse the democratic process to stop the democratic process, they are even now trying to foist an anti-semitic, terrorist marxist upon us as PM in order to stop Brexit and nobody says anything…a massive constitutional scandal and the BBC looks away. Corrupt, treacherous MPs serving a foreign power, a foreign power that is basically at war with us, politically, economically and in fact militarily as it threatens us with armed uprising in Britain if we don’t agree to the terms they dictate. The Backstop is nothing more than blackmail deliberately designed to create a situation where the EU can use the threat of the IRA to force their own way. The EU is an enemy state….tell me the difference between what Putin did in Crimea and what the EU is tryng to do in Ireland as it uses a pro-Ireland population in NI as an excuse to annex NI for the EU…in other words stealing NI from Britain and making it part of the EU in a landgrab that Putin could admire?

    Grieve, Hammond, Rudd, Soubry, Hague, Letwin, Clarke and the many others who serve that foreign master and collaborate with it to undermine the British national interest and its democracy should be held to account and made to answer for their lies and corruption….but don’t expect the BBC to hold them to account…the BBC is up to its neck in the swamp allong with them.

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    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Pug -couldn’t agree more. Well diagnosed!
      Oh, you forgot to mention Tory MP, Guto Bebb. Says he is thinking about putting Jeremy in power. Another honourable man…

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      • Roland Deschain says:

        At least these people are being forced to break cover. Just suggesting that should be the end of any MP’s career in the Tory Party.

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  10. angryGloster says:

    As far as ‘education goes, the liberal elite haet elitism of any kind (except for their offspring).

    It is the belief that anyone can be brought up to college level has brought colleges down to anyone’s level.
    In the egalitarian environment (all must have prizes) the influx of mediocrities relentlessly lowers the general standards at colleges to the level the weak ones can meet,
    The cost of this can be seen in ordinary life. “The mediocre have to wait a further three years to find out their fate. If the colleges continue dropping standards, as they have done for decades, then, as at Lake Woebogone,
    -all will be above average compared to the past.
    I have tried discussing doctoral subjects with recent graduates, and it is soon clear that they would not have even got in to the college before the lowering of standards.
    In this era of ignorance and stupidity, cultural Marxism trumps all, as there is no real truth, Science is only white men’s tricks, texts are just words, and any other set of words are the same as they are just , well, words.
    As all cultures are equal in this utopia, all cultural practices are accepted without question. anything goes (except whites who are not allowed to have a culture). Laws are just the oppression of the rich, meaning the oppressed are victims rather than criminals. thus there are no legal laws.
    This leads to a prefect shining utopia where all are free to engage in celebrating ‘difference’ (no other utterance permitted) . With no police, laws , property is taken by anybody who can, as is their right as victims.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Angry
      Once upon a time I would interview undergrads for a job. The sense of entitlement was often embarrassing . Even worse was an examination of application forms compleet with spelling and punctuation errors . Innit.
      Many candidates were visibly affected by having these pointed out . A 2-1 was not an automatic ‘in’ and nor should it be .

      There is real life and jobs . And then academic left wing dumbing down . Actually makes it easier to sift out non starter applicants from certain establishments …. but they’d never know .

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      • angryGloster says:

        There are serious technical, moral and legal problems affecting the way the UK works. Those with the knowledge, skill and wisdom to perhaps begin solving them are difficult to locate, as they are within a morass of the entitled who were allocated credentials that make them appear capable. Hence: Energy crisis, transport crisis, Health crisis, Brexit crisis, Policing, legal… it goes on and on.

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      The need for everyone to get a degree has merely led to degree inflation. It’s not enough just to get a degree now, you need to do another year and get a Masters.

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  11. StewGreen says:

    12:33pm Radio2 discussion about people criticising Saint Greta
    with Amelia Womack (Green Party dep leader)
    & Brendan O’Neill of @spikedonline

    12:43 PM ·it ended and Vine played this tune
    Crazy by Gnarls Barkley
    I remember when
    I remember, I remember when I lost my mind
    There was something so pleasant about that place
    Even your emotions have an echo in so much space

    And when you’re out there, without care
    Yeah I was out of touch
    But it wasn’t because I didn’t know enough
    I just knew too much

    Who do you think you are?
    Ha ha ha, bless your soul
    You really think you’re in control?

    I think you’re crazy
    Just like me

    The next song was “We are all someone’s daughter, someone’s son”

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    • StewGreen says:

      Now next item The Muslim guy from Luton who has made a film about his book about his love for Bruce Springsteen
      (The film was made in cooperation with Springsteen so he played the premiere)

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  12. Dover Sentry says:

    Greta’s Yacht Trip:

    It transpires that the five people bringing the boat back from NYC will first fly over to the States, meaning in total Greta’s PR trip will end up creating 6x the emissions it would have done if she’d just flown over to begin with…

    https://order-order.com/

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      Who could have seen that coming? It must be very embarrassing for the BBC reporting that.

      Maybe they’ll hide it amongst their reporting of French police violence against the Gilets Jaunes.

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    • Helen Richardson says:

      “if she’d just flown over to begin with…”

      Or better still, used Skype/FaceTime, which is what less celebrated people have been told to do for some time.

      I sense that quite a lot of people are becoming very tired of this po-faced little girl, as well as Emma Thompson and the rest.

      None of them have the courage or the integrity to talk about population demographics.

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  13. JamesArthur says:

    R4 doing a big project fear in Ireland…funny they can only find people who are against Brexit and despite the interviewer saying ‘nobody is bring back a hard border’ they are really putting leading questions
    and not one single person has said why don’t the EU negotiate to everyone’s benefit – no it’s all the fault of UK.
    I am sick and tired of the BBC’s constant knocking the UK….
    Not a single person offering a word of positivity…..
    Main question asked ‘what would no deal mean for XYZ?’ Answer all bad….bias bias…

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    • Dover Sentry says:

      But there won’t be a border anyway, except on a map.

      There never has been a wall, and there never will.

      The border crosses gardens and farms.

      Any checkpoints set up will be away from the border.

      The IRA/Sinn Fein are hard-left and seek a united Ireland through political disruption.

      The Irish can build a wall if they want to. But they won’t.

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      • Helen Richardson says:

        “But there won’t be a border anyway, except on a map.”

        There already is a currency border, a VAT border and an Intrastat border. No barriers or guards necessary.

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    • pugnazious says:

      Yes…listened to BBC presenter sobbing along as a woman whose police officer father was killed by the IRA told her story…the same BBC that stokes fears of IRA violence unless Britain caves in to the EU’s demands. The BBC is happy to use threats of IRA bombings, killings, torture and crime to stop Brexit…so spare us the crocodile tears….the BBC that literally gave voice to the IRA and promoted their murderous cause…and now promotes the gang that backed the murder of British people and troops by the IRA to get them into No10 today.

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  14. pugnazious says:

    If you listened to Today this morning you may have heard Jo Swinson being berated by the BBC for not supporting Corbyn’s power grab…apparently it’s just common sense to back his proposal to put him into No10 ‘temporarily’.

    Again and again Swinson was told she should be backing Corbyn and was educated about her failure to understand how this would be good for the country.

    Seems she has folded under the pressure…

    ‘Swinson agrees to meet Corbyn to discuss his temporary PM plan to stop no-deal Brexit
    The Lib Dem leader appears to backtrack slightly after dismissing his proposal to become caretaker PM to block a no-deal Brexit.

    Guido was just raising the issue of Goldsmith’s promoting Communism, ‘Goldsmiths Officially Becoming ‘Communist University’, maybe he should run a story on the BBC’s backing for Comrade Corbyn?

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  15. Roland Deschain says:

    This should cause apoplexy amongst remainers and the BBC (but I repeat myself).

    I’m sure no such thing is intended. Neither is prorogation. I strongly suspect these are just a ruse to distract from whatever Boris intends to do.

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    • JamesArthur says:

      As long as he doesn’t let the Bas…ds take control…I am so sick of hearing how Corbyn and the others know best…and are willing to sacrifice democracy and constitution in the pursuit of their own goals – whilst telling Boris he has no mandate

      We voted to leave I don’t remember the phrase ‘no deal’ in the vote being an exception

      It kept coming out of May’s mouth ‘ no deal is better than a bad deal’ and none of these know-all’s passed that deal so it must be bad deal……they are oblivious to their hypocrisy and arrogance…

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  16. Beltane says:

    The main issue with Corbyn’s masterplan is his ‘temporary stewardship’. Honestly, if the two-faced old charlatan actually got to be PM, can you see him playing the gentleman and giving up the post?
    Just like Brexit, all sorts of entirely valid and democratic reasons will keep him and McDonnell in power – like a twin reincarnation of Pol’n’ Pot with Jo Swinson wringing her hands as Lady Macbeth.

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  17. MarkyMark says:

    JEREMY VINES SHORT MEMORY …..

    “Amazing video. Lesson here is that there are clowns who cycle and clowns who drive. The clown on the bike doesn’t hurt anyone.
    Put him in a car — different story.”

    JEREMY VINES SHORT MEMORY …..

    Cyclist Charlie Alliston guilty over pedestrian’s death
    23 August 2017
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41028321

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  18. digg says:

    I read an article in National Student.

    Meet Birdgirl, the 17-year-old campaigning for equality in environmental activism.

    Seems that environmental and political activists don’t recruit enough “diverse” participants. So along BBC lines she won’t be happy until there is an even split of white/coloured/male/female/straight/gay/trans in such groups as Antifa or Extinction Rebellion for instance.

    At yoonie and 17 this is obviously where all the deluge of marxist professor injected absolute crap is coming from innit?

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  19. cromwell says:

    I don’t know about you but I am sick to death of policitions spouting the same old phase ‘ my thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of the deceased’ Its easy to say whose weasel words instead of real action getting to grips with the biggest problem we have in this country today. Rampant criminality.

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    • StewGreen says:

      Nope I am sick of the politicians who just use a situation for political point scoring right after an event.
      When that should be a time for sharing sympathy to the families.
      It is entirely right to focus on the victims on that day.
      On subsequent days we have to think about the future victims.

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    • JimS says:

      They say it because if they didn’t the media would never let them forget that they hadn’t.

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  20. StewGreen says:

    What will happen next Friday
    \\ Fridays since we took the Iranian tanker:
    • Heathrow IT outage.
    • Power Cut.
    • London Stock Exchange IT outage. //

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  21. Doobster78 says:

    David connecting with the electorate again ….

    Caroline Lucas reports Aaron banks to Twitter for a joke but happy for this idiot to preach hate daily. Funny what they can turn a blind eye to.

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    • vlad says:

      So Stormzy is helping his own kind. If whitie did that he’d be called a White Supremacist.

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  22. Roland Deschain says:


    Always interesting to see which elected politicians being banned from visits to foreign lands meet with BBC indifference. And which lead to the continued wagging finger.

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  23. StewGreen says:

    The new story : Tesco stabbing: ‘Far-right’ knifeman admits attack (Stanwell in Surrey)
    was reportedly heard shouting “white supremacy” and “I’m going to kill Muslims”
    Does anyone really shout “white supremacy”
    i don’t think people who believed in it would speak like that
    .. They might say “England for whites” or something like that
    It seems like a nutter attack
    I think care has to be taken NOT to mix “nutter attacks” with the label terrorism
    and that includes when it is a lone wolf Muslim
    We can protect against terrorist attacks by addressing the ideology
    But we can’t protect against “nutter attacks” in the same way
    Yes a drugged up nutter did kill a random Rotherham Pakistani grandad when groom/rape gangs were in the news but he might just as well made someone else his victim say an opposition football fan, a punk etc.

    Then compare that against another TESCO attack
    Afghan asylum seeker who tried to murder a stranger in Tesco while ‘fuelled’ with a desire to kill English people is jailed for 19 years
    Samiulahaq Akbari, 22, was caught on CCTV in Thornton Heath, south London
    He carried out three separate attacks on the same road during his rampage
    Akbari has been jailed for 19 years with an extended license period of two years
    The BBC reports do not attempt to call him a terrorist
    ..cos the BBC website never even reported that story

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    • StewGreen says:

      There is a BBC report British woman Natalie Crichlow set on fire in Barbados
      A British woman has died in Barbados after being doused in a flammable liquid and set alight while in bed
      .. again a terrible attack which is probably a “nutter attack”
      An attack on a black woman, almost certainly by another black person .. so no ideological angle is sought.

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    • maxincony says:

      StewGreen,

      Does anyone really shout ‘white supremacy’

      Yes. He did. Neighbours (plural) heard him shouting it. So you question is redundant.

      I don’t think people who believed in it would speak like that
      .. They might say “England for whites” or something like that

      Like this you mean…

      “Minutes before starting his rampage, Fuller posted a Facebook post reading: ‘I am English, no matter what the government say. Kill all the non-English and get them all out of England.’

      So what you “think” is patently wrong.

      We can protect against terrorist attacks by addressing the ideology
      But we can’t protect against “nutter attacks” in the same way

      Except Vincent Fuller did have an ideology; one which was centred on racism and white supremacy. Labelling him as “a nutter” is simply a convenient device to avoid confronting your own cognitive dissonance.

      Likewise…

      Yes a drugged up nutter did kill a random Rotherham Pakistani grandad when groom/rape gangs were in the news but he might just as well made someone else his victim say an opposition football fan, a punk etc.

      Two people, Dale Jones and Damien Hunt were convicted of killing Mushin Ahmed. They weren’t “nutters”, they didn’t “randomly” pick on someone; they attacked him “because of the colour of his skin”.

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      • taffman says:

        Hello Maxi
        You have come out of your ‘safe space’ !
        Are you well now and has nurse got your tablets?

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      • StewGreen says:

        Maxi as ever I can answer all your points which are as ever mostly assertions.
        Like here you pick quotes from ONE source, the Independent and state they are facts even though other media contradict them.

        My question is not redundant, we know that reporters sometimes put words into witnesses mouths.
        You say witnesses PLURAL
        the local paper says ONE
        One witness said at the time that Fuller had been heard shouting “kill a Muslim” and “white supremacy”,
        while another said he was “saying some crazy things about Muslims

        You are quoting from The Independent but you fail to mention that.
        You assert the Facebook page was written “minutes before” . Media I read said it was the day before.
        Only the Indy says it was minutes before.

        Plus as we saw from the US attacks some Facebook/Twitter accounts are not always real but made up by activists quickly AFTER an event.
        BTW in this case the victim was Bulgarian, we don’t know if he is non-white or not.

        The narrative is that he was full of hate for foreigners and that he was incited by the Christchurch attack the day before against Muslims. Yet your long Indy article hints at a much more complicated pictures.
        Like the way no one restrained him at the beginning, he attacked cars with a baseball bat until it broke and then went home and came back with a knife. How was he allowed to do that ?
        Was he just anti-white ?
        The Indy report says he had a problem with police and his ex- girlfriend
        The court heard that Fuller bore animosity towards police over an investigation of allegations made by his ex-girlfriend.
        The day before the attack, an officer asked him to attend a voluntary interview of claims he had sent the woman threatening Facebook messages

        The Rotherham petrol station attack. Yes I was aware that there two two perps, I just wrote guy instead of guys. I did not assert that they picked him at RANDOM, they picked on him cos he was Pakistani rather than just the colour of his skin. But their drugged up lifestyle meant that they apt to lash out. Their choice of victim was not random but driven by who they felt angry about, and at other times they might have been black people, ginger haired people or supporters of an opposing football team.
        It was their psychotic nature that was their driver not the press.
        When such psychos lash out it is wrong to put them in the same category as terrorists. It looks like a feeble attempt to try to even up the attack count between Islamic and non-Islamic terrorism.
        Such political games do not help to reduce the number of future victims.

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  24. BRISSLES says:

    Lots of comments on here about the young PC – married 4 weeks ago, murdered last night. And yep, apparently 10 men have been arrested, but what no one has mentioned, and it doesn’t take Sherlock Holmes to summise, but 10 men between 13 and 30 ? out in the middle of the countryside ?

    C’mon ! who lives in the countryside and go on the rob ? another scourge of this country – travellers. I hope they string the f……g lot of them up. I live in an area where we are plagued with the bastards every summer, and if something isn’t nailed down they will have it away. Many years ago they even came into my rear garden and tried to nick my whippets – one occasion when I wish I had a gun. Fortunately they were disturbed so left empty handed. They get no sympathy in this region.

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  25. JamesArthur says:

    Ken Clarke on R4
    Since when did he become the father of the house?
    He spluttered through questions on whether his bunch of Remainer’s parliament has the legal right to negotiate Brexit..he just spluttered shite. (sorry I have no other words for it).

    They are so certain of themselves with no evidence..so apparently according to His majesty Ken Clarke the original Brexit vote doesn’t count…and so we need democracy restored –

    How exactly is his potential stuck together government going to negotiate with teh EU – the EU have said they won’t..
    What he means is we bend over and take it again just like May did!

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    • Fedup2 says:

      James – if I remember Clarke has been an MP since 1970. Fully immersed in the corruption of the Commons . Drain that swamp .

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      • Beltane says:

        Senior contributors might recall the TV leadership debate between Cuddly Ken and Ten-pints Hague in which Cuddles rapidly lost his temper and gave what is now a predictably bellicose and arrogant performance. This immediately lost any public sympathy along with any chance of leading his party.
        Nothing changes, nor should it.

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      • Oaknash says:

        Maybe Father of lies is more accurate

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  26. StewGreen says:

    Bet Mad Lizzie wrote that line

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  27. Helen Richardson says:

    Watch out folks, we’re due for another periodic change, just to wrong-foot Whitey:

    Is it time to ditch the term ‘black, Asian and minority ethnic’ (BAME)?

    Get it wrong and plod will be knocking on your door.

    How come people from SE Asia don’t obsess over this stuff?

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  28. herrclick says:

    Father of the House compares the Government’s Brexit negotiation stance to a similar situation in the two World wars to justify his unity government leadership. PM editors encouraging and no interruption. How are BBC journos really any different from the Russian bots in trying to pull the public debate to the extreme and to inject conspiratorial narratives into the conversation?

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  29. Fedup2 says:

    Ken Clarke playing Lord Halifax in wanting to surrender to the EU/nazis . About right . The BBC has a readiness to undermine the British Government to the advantage of the EU .

    The remainers also seem to assume that the EU will extend – again – A50 . But that is a dangerous assumption – hopefully .
    Traitors – and that’s an accurate word .

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    • G says:

      Fed,
      London(istan) MBCouncil need to urgently consider resurrecting Newgate again in preparation. I need votes in support to be the one to pull the levers as and when.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        G
        I understand that Dr Wollaston has told Sky /bbc that she won’t go for an honourable bi election following her second party move because she would lose .

        This whole brexit is uncovering just how amoral these people are – an MP criminal released from prison , ‘tory’ MPs willing to put a Marxist into number 10 and a perverted speaker breaching rules to support his own beliefs .

        Almost beyond belief .

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  30. StewGreen says:

    Hull local news second item was about “Pawel the Polish deviant” jailed for 8 years
    ..yes that is news
    but when the Hull Muslim guy was convicted of raping a Hull child and of using racist phrases , that case wasn’t featured on the show at all.

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  31. Dover Sentry says:

    Khan Blimp up for sale on ebay.

    Now at £16,000 with three days left to run.

    I suspect that it will be used for the 2020 Mayor elections.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Giant-29ft-Sadiq-Khan-Blimp-Original-Blimp-that-flew-over-Westminster-2018/223622079799?hash=item3410ea2537:g:9ZYAAOSwXWZdUWQ0

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  32. Guest Who says:

    OT. Can you imagine the BBC Vox Poppery filter team ever doing such a thing 😇

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  33. Guest Who says:

    The cubicle gardens of W1A are likely abuzz with energised young things iMessaging Paul Mason to ask how best to kick off without consequence (views their own).

    Import the third world, get the third world.

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    • Halifax says:

      I hope I can still get a taxi later

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      • vesnadog says:

        H,

        “I hope I can still get a taxi later”

        If your in Halifax then they will be at your front door in about – bye the way how long does it take for a Halifax cabbie to get to your place from London – 3 hours?

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    • Oaknash says:

      Guest – It does make you wonder what Tony B liar and friends have imported into this country?
      How long before Mayor Khans friends start dragging people off trains and setting them on fire because they are the “wrong” religion.

      Still even then I expect Khan and Lammy would declare it is all the fault of Trump – well whites in general .

      And the BBC , well they would just stand there next to the burning bodies nodding.

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      • G says:

        Oak,
        “How long before Mayor Khans friends start dragging people off trains and setting them on fire because they are the “wrong” religion.”
        Short and sweet: Not long as I read things.

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        • Oaknash says:

          G – We do seem to be standing on the edge of a precipice – and all Aunty wants to talk about is bloody “transgender rights” and brexit.

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  34. taffman says:

    “Turkish army pension fund to buy British Steel”
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49368217
    Despite Brexit ?

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    • Chalkywhite says:

      Wait until the BBC starts moaning about human rights in Turkey….It’ll run and run…

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  35. StewGreen says:

    Friday and when I click Twitter search it pushes this at me
    Some Guardian journo has come out as Trans
    .. Who cares about the personal life of their American football correspondent ?
    #ConstantAgendaPushing
    ECHPmWuXUAI4IoP.jpg:small

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    • vesnadog says:

      Dog looks more like a woman than he does.

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    • Oaknash says:

      Only the Gaurdian would employ – he/she/they = oh bugger I really am confused !

      Interesting that despite her more than unhealthy interest in the subject that Aunty does not appear to employ any of these “transgenders” as mainstream presenters, why ever could that be? . Apart from Princess Jeremy who rumour has it always was female!

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  36. StewGreen says:

    Met Police decided not to conduct full investigation into court claims of sex trafficking of girl in Prince Andrew photo.
    Exclusive now on @Channel4News
    .

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  37. Chalkywhite says:

    Apologies if I’m late to the party, but ‘Reported’ on the BBC Business blog/page yesterday:

    ‘Comic convention cancels event due to Brexit’

    Seemingly the organisers have cancelled the convention because of ‘Brexit Uncertainty’. ‘The fan convention ….says that it has been affected by the weakness of the pound.’

    OK I can see why that may impact it.

    Then we get this:

    ‘…we are very dependent on the pound to the dollar exchange rate and recently the pound dived to its lowest rate in decades, which means that most US guests’ costs have risen dramatically’.

    HOLD ON, I’m not a currency dealer, but doesn’t a weak pound vs the US dollar mean cheaper costs for American visitors? Albeit the Beeb were just quoting from twatter or similar. But, jeez, don’t the BBC ‘journalists’ read their copy before they post? Nope thought not.
    MARVELLOUS! So not only is it expensive for Brits to go on holiday to Europe and America because of the weak pound (although they may stay in the UK and boost the UK economy slightly (never ever mentioned)) , but it’s ALSO expensive for Americans etc to come to the UK? Doh….cake and eat it springs to mind!

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  38. Chalkywhite says:

    Again, from yesterday, something reported by Reuters and Bloomberg, but obviously ‘missed’ by the BBC ‘jounalists’:

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eurozone-banks/euro-zone-bank-share-meltdown-brings-prices-to-brink-of-1980s-idUKKCN1V517U

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-15/deutsche-bank-s-fresh-low-underscores-european-banking-s-decline

    I wonder why this was missed by the BBC ‘Business guru’s’? Maybe if the phrase ‘Brexit uncertainty’ had been there they would have been on it like sh*t off a shovel?

    Can’t think of any instance recently* (*i.e. the last few years) where the BBC have actually reported anything in an unbiased, balanced, even handed manner, or anything that doesn’t confirm to their narrow political mantra…..anti Brexit, anti Trump, anti american (unless it’s by a democrat), anti auntie etc etc…..

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  39. StewGreen says:

    @JimS You mentioned BBC plugging the 3Words/GPS app
    Radio Lincs were plugging it today claiming Lincs Police have a special connection with it
    I looked up the migrant story you mentioned
    and it is clear that the BBC news report is spin cos the newspaper article mentioned that they couldn’t track the location and rather the police dog did the job.
    BBC staff do seem to get naively enchanted by some things.
    https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/11-migrants-found-container-police-2621681

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