Midweek Open Thread 7 August 2019

Will there be a biased BBC silly season … ?

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    • Helen Richardson says:

      “I think the C of E have lost the plot ?”

      Quite the contrary Mr Taffman, I think it’s a brilliant, inspired choice by the CofE.

      A downward spiral. What could be more appropriate?


  1. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC Online News:

    “”Brexit: Corbyn seeks clarity on ‘unconstitutional’ election-time no-deal””

    “”…..some people are concerned Mr Johnson could push through a no-deal Brexit while MPs are away.””


    The BBC should skewer Corbyn over his ‘undemocratic’ games to destroy the ‘democratic’ vote of over 17m. ‘Push through’ what was voted for?

    Instead, the BBC writes that ‘some people’ are concerned. That ‘some people’ is code for the BBC people.

    The BBC anti-Brexit bias is relentless. It will continue after Brexit to try and get us back in. You watch!


    • Fedup2 says:

      Toady watch

      Having returned to Blighty last night and driven past the site of the place where a someone tried to kill a police man with a machete – I thought I’d go back to listening to Toady

      And this morning ? An Asian reporter who sounded like she was on work experience having a chat with the CEO of Iceland .

      5 minutes of anti brexit propaganda , not a single positive thing about leaving the EU – no balance . So bad I’m thinking about putting in a formal complaint .

      But then I thought – why bother ? It will only be fobbed off even if I find basis on a breach of editorial guidelines .

      It really is as though one is listening to the ReichEU Broadcasting Corporation .


    • The Sage says:

      Yes, “push through” something on which parliament has already voted in favour of by a huge majority. It’s the nation’s default position, so nothing is being forced here.


  2. Fedup2 says:

    Toady watch again

    I’m trying to work out the editorial rules for’ Today’- particularly the decision to interview people over an issue . The majority of interviews seem to be – interviewee and BBC interviewer .

    But sometimes they have people from each side of an issue . But this is very rare . So rare that when I heard such an incident today I wondered why the BBC had done it .

    The issue was about parents who want cannabis oil for their mentally challenged offspring . An extremely media savvy middle class mother bossing a quiet medic over her demand for NHS cannabis oil . The mother was allowed free rein and had that dangerous certainty the BBC loves .

    Maybe that’s why the BBC does it – sometimes it achieves a real perversion – like the assault on Rod Liddell on Newsnight by the mentally challenged histerical Emily Maitless – with the other side of the argument letting her do his job.

    I wonder if the BBC high command assents to this ? I suppose it does . But is diminishes the BBC further – if that’s possible


  3. Doobster78 says:

    Positive words, must have hurt the BBC to publish this ….

    Brexit panic not justified, says ex-Trump adviser Stephen Vaughn

    A former top trade adviser to US President Trump has told the BBC “there is a level of panic” around Brexit “that is not justified”.

    Stephen Vaughn, who served as acting trade representative before becoming general counsel on trade, stressed the UK has “enormous leverage” in a potential trade deal with the US.

    On a deal’s likelihood, he said the Trump administration is “ready to go”.

    The UK will be able to strike its own trade deals only after leaving the EU.


    However, as per the norm, the article descends into a negative one. Just got to love the BBC.



    • Fedup2 says:

      I heard that – and I also heard the ‘ does not compute ‘ when he said that the establishment in the UK is panicking about the prospect of a full brexit .
      When he said it – there was no comment – no reply – no follow up . And now the weather …


  4. Guest Who says:

    Ok, so wheeling out a ‘former’ Admin whinger did not work. So what is needed is….


    • Thoughtful says:

      No one who is even slightly to the right of centre is allowed to win a nobel prize, so when the BBC wheels out a ‘Nobel Prize Winner’ you know exactly what their politics are before they open their mouths!


  5. Guest Who says:

    As pointed out, questions might be asked as to why Kamal and Amol are less concerned by postal voting and other such abuses?


  6. Fedup2 says:

    The absolute limit Toady exposure seems to be 45 minutes before the blood pressure really fires up and then that lovely ‘ off switch ‘


  7. Guest Who says:

    The envy of the world. Trust them.


    • Guest Who says:

      No, really.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Thankfully people like mr kilclooney are protesting more about the infantile BBC propaganda -it seems that the run up to Christmas will have us inundated with various red meat at knock down prices because of Brexit . I’m glad I’ve got a chest freezer – and if it comes to it – a chain saw …


  8. theisland says:

    Not bBC but of some interest. Ezra visited TR again yesterday and reported post-visit from a taxi (bad reception).
    TR is still in a safe unit at Belmarsh and eating and exercising OK. He received mail on his first day of detention but none since (for about 27 days), the excuse for the ‘delay’ being it has to be inspected by counter terrorism officers. TR is allowed several two-hour visits a week and Ezra shares his visits with two of TR’s friends. They all got there early and were 6th in line in the holding area – I think he said there were 20+ families waiting. However, everyone else was let in first and the reason given was their group had to wait for a sniffer dog to accompany them. No sniffer dogs were involved last time Ezra visited. Consequently they missed 45mins of the slot. Ezra also had to leave early to catch his return flight but they made him wait saying he had to be accompanied OUT by three officers with three sniffer dogs. Apparently one of TR’s meetings with his lawyers was also cancelled (not sure why). TR has not heard anything from Julian Assange recently.

    Ezra suspects, rightly or wrongly, that his monitoring of the situation – i.e. being an independent reporter from overseas – is stopping the authorities from taking further liberties. I think he has a point, given what happened to TR last time. Ezra has arranged another visit for next week.


    • Dystopian says:

      Thanks, theisland, for the update.


    • Fedup2 says:

      The island
      Thanks for the update – I think that because the likes of Katie Hopkins has in interest and is both publicly recognised and known by POTUS – TR might – might – be less at risk of state monticated harm.
      So they’ll go down the lower level of depriving him from the things ‘ normal ‘ prisoners get . And certain prison officers will have been bribed or looking for the approval of superiors to treat him and his visitors ‘ less than fairly’ .

      I’m sure if they could get TR to breach prison times they would do so to get the sentence extended or use it as a mechanism to put him with enemies in the prison system .

      Another 6 weeks to go ?


  9. BRISSLES says:

    Jeezus, every plonker MP being interviewed this morning wants to ‘go back to the people’. Christ, what happens when the result is the same as last time ?

    Never mind draining the swamp at the BBC, we need a clear out in Parliament, ….. remember this from 2015 when all hell broke loose in the Italian parliament ? our lot aren’t any better.


  10. Cassandra says:

    This went out a while ago (2015?) but I missed it, no surprise really as I don’t watch BBC as much as I used to but it’s great to see Maitless exposed when caught lying and put in her place by Dennis Skinner.


    • Guest Who says:

      ‘Just joking’.

      Or, just a joke.

      Indeed, Emily, you are.


      • Up2snuff says:

        GW, it’s OK when ‘some people’ ‘joke’ but when others do not get exactly the right form of words approved by ‘some people’ they cannot say “I was joking.” or “I misspoke.” or make any other form of clarification or correction. Instead, ‘some people’ will drag the event up time after time after time and remind everyone about it without the clarification or correction.

        A reminder that we all have to be so careful.

        “Mr President, please stay away from Twitter.”


      • Fedup2 says:

        He should have told her to wipe the grin off as it might be a game to a wealthy BBC type like her but not to the voters who care about such matters …..

        I wonder if she is the type who does a bottle or two of red and then cries about ‘ why doesn’t anyone like me ?’


  11. Thoughtful says:

    Surprised no one is posting about the lack of reporting that the animal who attacked the brave Police officer in London was a Somali or Sudanese, reported in the Daily Telegraph but not on the pages of the state propaganda broadcaster.

    Cowardly useless Boris lies about getting tough on crime when he should be taking about deportation of those who have abused the kindness shown to them in what they claimed was their hour of need.


  12. Up2snuff says:

    BBC Bias/Propaganda or BBC Don’t do no maffs?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49277813 – second paragraph

    Probably both.


    • EmptyingDadsShed says:

      Population = 56000000, that seems low


      • Up2snuff says:

        Empty, I think you may find that 1400 deaths is 1.4 out of every 100,000 people, not the 2.5 claimed by the BBC.

        Careless talk (writing) costs lives. I know. Old people from the war told me about it. So did Diane Abbott. It costs eleventy hundred four out of every nine that could be done by a Labour Government when in power.

        My grasp of statistics is not good but I have been led by those who are greater experts in the field, that that sort of figure (1.4) is close to the figure of statistical insignificance.

        What the BBC intended to write was the proportion per head of population. It would remove the statistical insignificance element. That adds two further interesting problems. Health is a devolved matter, so why are they (the researchers, not the BBC) including Wales in the research? Would it be that most of the Wales deaths are for very different age groups and are occupationally linked when compared to England?

        And 2.5 deaths per head of population per 100,000 would be correct for only England, its current population being 55.6 million according to the ONS.

        No questions asked by the BBC either on R4 or in the article.

        As per usual.

        I wonder if they will correct the article?


  13. Guest Who says:

    The BBC knows Jack… is the right guy for this %.


    • Thoughtful says:

      What does GDP mean, and what does it tell us?

      GDP is an important metric, and not for the reason you might think. Oxfords PPE course appears to teach its students that because government debt is measured as a ratio to GDP a quick fix is all that’s needed in order to be able to borrow more money to squander.

      What does it tell us?

      When GDP falls and the cowardly incompetent Tories want to borrow more money, they will indulge in yet another wave of mass immigration to provide a temporary blip in the figures.


    • Doobster78 says:


    • Guest Who says:

      Faisal is bereft.

      (Not really).

      Bet Kamal and Amol and Mishal and… stand ready to complete the set.


  14. theisland says:


    • Guest Who says:

      Headed to Dunkirk?


    • Fedup2 says:

      No mention of the French cosstguards doung anything to take them back to the ReichEU then ?


    • theisland says:


      • MarkyMark says:

        “A search and rescue operation is under way off the Kent coast, where sources say up to 55 migrants have been spotted in boats.
        725 have arrived so far this year & only 53 have been removed. “

        The first duty of the government is to keep citizens safe and the country secure. The Home Office has been at the front line of this endeavour since 1782. As such, the Home Office plays a fundamental role in the security and economic prosperity of the United



  15. Doobster78 says:

    Global slowdown, also Europe , especially the powerhouse that is Germany in plenty of trouble …. BUT ……. its Brexit uncertainties !!!

    Its a get out of jail free card for any failing / poor performing business now. Blame Brexit. Simples.


  16. Doobster78 says:

    I will just leave this one here !!!

    He’s still prattling on ….

    Prat. But a must read twitter feed. I wonder if he reads his replies.


    • Guest Who says:

      The MP for Twitter Gutter East representing his constituents every minute.


    • Dystopian says:

      Typical sense of entitlement. It is “ludicrous” not to let everyone and anyone into one’s country, apparently.


    • john in cheshire says:

      If Mr Lammy was a Christian, he’d know about David from the Old Testament. David was loved by God, and had a key role to play in the coming of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

      But David wasn’t a very nice man; for example, he wanted to marry the wife of one of his generals. So David arranged for this general to go into battle and be killed. Then David married this general’s wife. But God had higher things for him to do.

      I’m not trying to portray Mr Johnson as a David but I am saying that God uses many people to do His will; sometimes good people sometimes bad people.

      I doubt God has a significant role for Mr Lammy to play in our lives. Mr Johnson? Maybe.


  17. BRISSLES says:

    Just watching Carlton-Browne of the FO with Terry Thomas on Talking Pictures. Its priceless ! and years before Yes Minister was thought of. The scriptwriting with hilarious one liners and Sellers at his peak, is brightening my afternoon. Everyone should watch it.


  18. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Regarding this 0.2% gdp figure.
    The way it’s being presented seems to give the impression that the gdp figure is -0.2%
    If you compare this with the +0.5% for the previous quarter then the growth for the last quarter was +0.3%

    The gdp shrunk by 0.2% but it is not minus 0.2% which is the impression the MSM is putting out.
    Or am I wrong?

    With the whole world gdp shrinking who would have thought that us leaving the eu would have that effect as it’s obvious that Brexit is the cause of the world slowdown.
    Yet our MSM still keep telling us we are insignificant.

    Good job nobody (apart from lefties, children and Peter Pans’) believes the MSM anymore.
    You get the best and most truthful news from comment sites such as this one.


    • Emmanuel Goldstein says:

      It seems I am wrong and it is -0.2%

      Oh well.


      • Up2snuff says:

        EG, no, you are right. The Q2 figure is estimated for the first time at -0.2* but Q1 was a positive 0.5. As Stephie would remind everyone, back in the days when the Beeb had a good Economics Editor and she wrote a regular Blog for the web-site which was always open to comment, GDP figures are 1. a bit vague, and 2. are regularly revised by the ONS, usually no more than twice, when they think they have a better picture of actual performance. That may be some time after year end.

        Then there is inflation. One of the big debates we had on Stephie’s Blog (a measure of the great value of such things, imv) is how to adjust for inflation. Another puzzle that Stephie wrote on regularly – as did Pesto, her successor in post – was the lack of productivity per UK worker compared to elsewhere in Europe and the world. There has been a considerable ‘dumbing down’ inflicted on the UK population by the powers that be at the BBC. A great shame.

        (* Too small to be of any consequence, imv.)


  19. Fedup2 says:

    When uk GDP goes up we ‘give’ more money to the ReichEU . So when it goes down they give money to us ..
    Right ?

    Count those days down ….

    And with a bit of luck labour will
    Destroy itself via McDonnell bringing in the monarch ( gord bless her ) and all in the meantime the Tory party will move back to being conservative again …


    • Fedup2 says:

      I’ve been out of the loop but I saw that the foreign sec had a ‘ surprise ‘ visit with POTUS and another cabinet minister went Washington too and had a senior chat with the President Trump Team .

      I’m sure this stuff isn’t going unnoticed in EU capitals and EU car companies must be looking a bit nervous by the day .

      Maybe it will be cheaper to ‘ buy American ‘ ?


    • Up2snuff says:

      Fed, not necessarily.

      It all depends if the EU decides that we, the UK, have been far too good at trafficking, prostitution, drug smuggling and other crime. Then we pay them a supplementary payment.

      As to HM, I learned something interesting, thanks to the BBC, too! According to a ‘constitutional expert’ who has written a book about HM (sorry, cannot remember author’s name) the Fixed Term Parliament Act has a little known clause that effectively writes HM out of the picture. I bet Cleggie and McDonnell regret passing that now.

      I thought the Monarch still held the power to prorogue Parliament. According to the expert, good Queen Elizabeth – God bless her indeed and save us! – now only has the power to make a derisory gesture, not that she would, and tell the Parliamentarians “It’s your mess, you sort it out.”

      This single expert could be wrong. He defers to Vernon Bogdanor. Where’s St John Stevas when you need him?*

      * ANSWER: long cold & dead in the ground.


      • Fedup2 says:

        True enough Up2

        .. an interesting piece on the BBC Engerland website – The British Transport Police want to identify a man in a picture because of alleged’ Derogatory comments ‘.

        If derogatory comments are now criminal I fear most of the population of the UK will be ‘helping the police with their inquiries “….


      • Fedup2 says:

        The other strand of constitutional hysteria taking ground is that If we leave under A50 – a new ( Remain ) Government – let’s call it a ‘government of disunity ‘ could go to the EU and say although A50 has been envoked we’d like to withdraw it now and stay in or re join – you lot -,the remaining EU substates – pass some treaty and we won’t bother taking all those EU flags down .
        The Rule of Law is flexible when people want it to be – but if such a scam was tried Blighty would be an even less happy place than it is now …

        Looking at things – once the kids co e back from their hols project Fear will get going on ‘panic buying ‘ with complementary queues for fuel …


        • Up2snuff says:

          Fed, they could try but I reckon at the next GE that that Party’s candidates would not be worth a candle stub. In addition in that circumstance, what would stop England and Wales leaving the UK and the EU or at least threatening to, as Scotland is at present?

          Rejoining the EU might involve joining the Euro and that might involve another Referendum where the people say ‘No.’ 🙂 to a Remain Government here. 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂


          • Fedup2 says:

            The rejoining and accepting the Euro is current thinking – but if we were kind of ‘out ‘ for only a few weeks I’m sure they’d let us kept the £ for a suitably large bribe /fee .

            In other news – blackouts – the end of the world – it gets dark at night – and now the weather – and the footy is back ….


  20. StewGreen says:

    Radio Lincolnshire : sudden POSITIVE coverage for a Brexit Party candidate on the 1pm news
    Why’s that ?
    Does it tick an BBC-pet-AGENDA tickbox ?
    “Jessica Swift could soon be Britain’s first Trans MP”
    She lives with her wife.


  21. digg says:

    The BBC, Guardian and Independent (and Corbyn) all screaming at fever pitch about every which way to block no deal. Even though Boris has said zilch yet.

    It’s like hearing kids screaming “I don’t want cabbage! I don’t want cabbage! I don’t want cabbage! I don’t want cabbage!” before the meal is even on the table.


    • EmptyingDadsShed says:

      But the kids know what cabbage tastes like, they have experienced it before.
      The BBC, Guardian and Independent (and Corbyn) are screaming “I don’t want icecream! I don’t want icecream! (As that nice e.u. man told me it’ll be horrid) I don’t want icecream


  22. StewGreen says:

    Radio2 Jeremy Vine Show


    • Dystopian says:

      So the guy can’t conduct himself in an interview and answer simple questions. Couldn’t even get past introducing himself.
      Somehow that’s the fault of others?
      Special treatment required yet again.
      I didn’t go to “yooni”. I didn’t even get many O levels let alone A levels. But I’m pretty sure I can manage a job interview without spluttering like he does.


    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      If I were recruiting for a position, I would think very hard about appointing someone who has to get his prayer mat out five times a day, who will spend one month every year being non-productive due to fasting requirements, and who will take me straight to a tribunal if I accidentally say anything which he interprets as any sort of insult to his religion.

      Just something to bear in mind.


  23. G says:

    Twato, just after 1300. Nice to hear two muslims discussing “our” commercial outlook. Savid Javid & his co-cultist, Faisal Islam.


  24. Doobster78 says:

    For some strange reason, Gavin, still thinks he is relevant. You would have thought his disastrous political campaign would have put him back in his box .. alas No !!!

    He has a real fixation with the Bus tho does Gavin. He must have chosen to ignore the recent court ruling where it was found to be correct.


  25. StewGreen says:

    COP26: Glasgow *could* host 2020 UN climate change summit
    The £320K pa head of the UK Climate Committee
    has tweeted as if it is confirmed


  26. Doobster78 says:



  27. Fedup2 says:

    Oh Doob – ha ha another yellow card …..


  28. MarkyMark says:

    “lawfully sacked for writing tweets which criticised government policies.” {bbc.co.uk aug2019} – the death of freedom of speech.

    1765 …. **In a republic worthy of name, freedom to publish one ’s thoughts is a citizen’s natural right.** They may use a pen or their voice, and should not be prevented from writing any more than speaking …That is the law in England, a monarchical country, where people are freer than elsewhere because they are more enlightened. – Voltaire, Republican Ideas, 1765

    2019 …Australia’s highest court has made a landmark ruling that a public servant was lawfully sacked for writing tweets which criticised government policies. The court rejected her claim that she had been denied a right to free speech. – Australia, 2019

    1765 … **In a republic worthy of name, freedom to publish one’s thoughts is a citizen’s natural right.**

    2019 … ** a public servant was lawfully sacked for writing tweets which criticised government policies.**


    • StewGreen says:

      Although she’s a lefty undermining a rightwing government’s policies
      she should have freedom of speech.

      If she were a righty undermining a leftwing government’s policies
      she should have freedom of speech.
      And by using a totally anonymous account she would not be bringing her job into disrepute.
      But if the account was labelled as a government work it would.


  29. theisland says:

    Apparently he eventually let her onto the bus after he had finished praying but became aggressive toward her because she had disturbed him. She became uncomfortable so called a friend who came and collected her in his car.


  30. StewGreen says:

    Local news
    – Local league football junior coach charged with abusing youngsters in early 90s when he led under 12 tours.
    – Follow up on the massive dope warehouse raid when 5 Vietnamese were arrested
    .. looks like the police raided a least 5 village dealers.
    – Lithuanian cornershop worker jailed for £3K worth of fiddling
    – Pet sanctuary owners jailed after admitting 13 counts of animal cruelty, like small cages lack of water etc.
    – The annual cleanup after the gypsy camp trashed a park.
    – Bank caught A 33 yo fraudster draining her senile grandmother’s account.
    – 2 different stories of homeless stabbing each other
    – A serially banned driver killing a grandmother cos her was drunk and not wearing his glasses.


  31. JimS says:

    Gardeners’ Question Time in full on ‘climate change’ mode today all because Christine’s garden is a bit dry and we had a ‘heatwave’ for a day.

    Meanwhile the rest of the country floods and I’m still using my winter duvet.

    I see some of you are concerned about the catastrophic drop in GDP last quarter. Don’t forget that the BBC told us that the ‘unexpected’ 0.5% growth in the previous quarter wasn’t because we were so good but because we had been stockpiling for the March ‘cliff-edge’ Brexit. Could it be that last quarter we were using up that stock so didn’t need to make so much?

    Governments might like increases in GDP, that’s why they operate a taxi service in the Channel, but it is GDP per capita that tells us that we are doing better.


  32. Fedup2 says:

    I thought a fall in GDP saves their planet by reducing economic activity – sure – ideally the poor will starve and die but Attenborough can do an upbeat series clocking up the air miles showing stuff that hasnt melted


  33. scribblingscribe says:


    very serious power shortage, affecting public transport and hospitals. No actual detailed reason for such a major blackout, as yet. Yet we have to wonder if the reduction in our capacity to generate power, to placate the arts and humanities and anti capitalists, is a reason.


  34. Non Snowflake says:

    BBC1 tonight 00:15 – a movie called “Brooklyn”. It’s about an Irish immigrant.

    BBC2 tonight 23:35 – a movie called “A Most Violent Year”. It’s about a Mexican immigrant.

    Plenty of choice there and not a hint of any agenda.


  35. Cassandra says:

    A ‘woman’ called Emma has just won Mastermind tonight. John Humphrys looked so happy.
    Didn’t know which was worse, the purple lipstick or the new format of the set.


  36. StewGreen says:

    You see BBC is BALANCED
    cos it deliberately excludes point of views that Fox air.


  37. Fedup2 says:

    Time for the new Thread – I hope whoever goes first doesn’t get too much stick from the purists ….


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