Midweek Open Thread 24 July 2019

The Biased Far Left BBC knows full well that the new British Prime Minister is no great fan of it . This will lead to a concerted effort to destroy him before he either achieves a successful Brexit and/or turns his attention to reforming a State Broadcaster which has lost its way and is no longer ‘British’.

Obviously making the BBC British and unbiased again can’t be done with the current corrupt Parliament in place . Boris has a long list of issues to repair the damage done by Mrs May to our country . But with help he must start to drain the corrupt swamp including the Biased BBC. Good luck Bo.

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640 Responses to Midweek Open Thread 24 July 2019

  1. Fedup2 says:

    I really hope the new brexit government rations putting up speakers for BBC programmes . The less they go on them the more they’ll get done – wait until the time has passed before brexit can be stopped before being abused by maitless , humph , Marr et al. Nothing to be gained from it ….


  2. taffman says:

    “Ofcom fines Russian news service £200,000 over impartiality”
    😀 😀 😀
    I am pretty sure that Al Beeb knows all about “impartiality “.?
    Where’s maxi and Ofcom when you need them?
    Question : Is Ofcom impartial ?


  3. Doobster78 says:

    Just refresh my memory Nick ?? Just exactly how has President Trump been a disaster ? Is it the record employment levels ? The record Stock Marker levels ? The record Black employment ? Is it the highest approval rating of his Presidency at the moment with the people of the USA or is it lack of military action you don’t like ? I know you Lefties love dropping bombs like Saint Obama !!!!

    So yeah Nick …a real disaster !!! You idiot, just about sums up the mentality of these libtards ,,really does. Thick as mince the lot of em.


    • Up2snuff says:

      Doobs, missed a couple. Trump talking to N.Korea instead of launching missiles at it. Creating a better (historically record-breaking) diplomacy in south-east Asia between Japan, China, South Korea and North Korea. Ending the ongoing Presidential stalemate over recognising Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

      OK, so that’s three.

      Permit me a Spanish Inquisition moment. 🙂


      • Doobster78 says:

        He has done his own list Up2 !!!


        A real disaster hey.


        • Up2snuff says:

          Doobs, I missed Mueller. Is Mueller on it?

          I guess that if the BBC had not had the gift of a distraction of Bojo appointing a new Cabinet (please note BBC: not a re-shuffle, BBC – got that BBC?) there would have been weeping and gnashing of teeth at Mueller providing no evidence whatsoever for Congress to attack President Trump with.

          Has Soapy had a say?

          The surplus sackcloth and ashes leaking out of Broadcasting House would have been gumming up the insides of the Snuffy household’s wireless sets. Phew! A close escape.

          (Had a look, no Mueller not on it. The crap – oops! sorry, Fed – that President Trump has had thrown at him, especially with the help of the BBC. Apparently, even Putin is joking about it now unless it was a spoof account that was copied somewhere. Hope that his (Trump’s) last week of Tweet disaster does not let the Democrats back in.)


  4. StewGreen says:

    If the Jeremy Vine Radio 2 Show put out just one tweet
    who does the tweet feature ?
    The topic is anxiety
    a thing that fits the whole British demographic surely
    so why pick a pet female Muslim ?


    • BRISSLES says:

      Honestly ? well, she may have anxiety problems, BUT having worked in a mental health unit, I know that those with anxiety issues struggle to get through the day and hold a job down, – unlike a lot of these slebs who manage to look doe eyed when it suits, but are able to front several programmes, write books and go on jolly travel documentaries. At least getting on a plane poses no problems for some !!


  5. theisland says:


  6. Up2snuff says:

    TWatO Watch #1 – Jonny ‘Dalek’ Dymond in charge, his halting, hesitant delivery totally unsuited to BBC Main News programme presentation.

    All these part-time Beeboids. I reckon a bit of a cull at the BBC and there would be plenty of Budget money left over to ‘provide’ free TV Licences for the over 75s.

    Bullshit Meter required.

    A school in Birmingham, Belfield or Bellfield. Think it’s a Primary School. Apparently, six teachers have been asked to work for free for three days so there can be an ‘away’ weekend somewhere. If they did not work for free, it would cost the school £10,000 – £12,000 in extra pay.

    Maybe teachers get double time for working weekends? Let us assume that. 18 teachers days divided into £10K = £555. Divide by 2 and multiply by 365 = £101,287.

    A salary for a Primary School teacher?

    The needle on my Bullshit Meter just wanged into the red sector.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Always remember that Jonnie dymond is sobthink that he got caught smuggling cannabis onto an aircraft in Lithuania- and his excuse was that he was in a club and got so drunk that he’d forgotten he’d bought the illegal substance .

      Hang onto that high horse Jonnie …


  7. The General says:

    The interview with the American Ambassador by Michel Hussain this morning was unbelievable. Surely the Government MUST make a severe complaint about it. She repeatedly and aggressively demanded if Trump was aware what Boris had called him in the past. The Ambassador told her he was not interested in the past and to concentrate on the future but she persisted and insisted on quoting what Boris had said about Trump. BBC are blatantly trying to scupper our relationship with our major ally and future very important trading partner. She has to be sacked along with the producer of the program. They are getting worse.
    Have we had ANY report from BBC regarding Australia saying they were eager to start negotiating a post brexit trade deal with us ? NO !!! WHY NOT !!!!!


  8. JamesArthur says:

    The whole of the BBC output today has been do down GB, Boris and POTUS
    Big up Climate change, the EU and public sector heroes and throw in a few mental heath problems with the same
    Is it impossible for the BBC to get anyone on that actually supports Boris, GB or POTUS and let them talk..


    • Up2snuff says:

      The General and James, the very fact that Mishal suddenly dragged up Ambassador Kim Darroch rather suggests that there was something ‘put up’ around that whole affair in an effort to discredit Bojo or even prevent him being selected as Party leader.

      If I was Bojo and wanted to get some security in the metaphorical ‘bank’, I would have someone from MI6 investigate the Washington Embassy (yes, I know Kim Darroch carried out his own investigation & cleared his end – I would like to know if someone here at F&CO was ‘tipped off’ by one of our people there) and also have MI5 investigate that whole business at this end.

      When push comes to shove, that may provide useful information to push across a desk at ‘people’.


    • Doobster78 says:

      It is bloody bizarre isn’t. The BBC and the Left in general have been bleating on and on about Police officer numbers for a eternity and how we need more of them, telling us that if they were in power, they would increase them. No question.

      First thing Boris does, Day One, pledges a further 20,000 officers. Brilliant. Job done.

      Nope. BBC and left still not happy. Its not enough they cry !! How will they be funded ??? The timescale is unrealistic !! Bash , bash bash …. give the guy a fu**ing chance will ya !!!!!! He has given you EXACTLY what you wanted on the first day he is Prime Minister. Lets see how it plays out and then IF it fails, then have a pop but for crying out loud, give him chance.

      The BBC / left are never happy. Give em 20,000 officers, they want 25,000, pledge the NHS £20 billion, they want £30 billion. Spiteful little gits.


      • The General says:

        The 20,000 new officers had better have a large proportion of Muslims, Blacks, Homosexuals, Lesbians and Transgenders and maybe the advertisements for the positions should be fashioned on those of the BBC and state ” White British Males should not apply”.


      • Up2snuff says:

        Doobs, I got to meet Corbyn back at the end of summer/early autumn 2010. Stood next to him at a Community thing. Up until that time I had had a bit of a sneaking regard for him for standing up to certain people in his own Party and also for standing against the EU.

        At that time, not only had Brown tried to hold on to No.10 for a week or more, the Coalition Government had taken quite a bit of putting together. The new Government was very much in its early stages.

        “The BBC / left are never happy. Give em 20,000 officers, they want 25,000, pledge the NHS £20 billion, they want £30 billion. Spiteful little gits.”

        You are exactly 100% correct. At that Community event Corbyn got to ‘say a few words’ (along with others) and he launched into a rant – totally unsuited to the occasion – about ‘this’ that was wrong with things and ‘that’ that was wrong with the new Government and that how the next five years would be bad for this group and that group and that this should have been done but had not.

        Poor old Government, with ‘call me Dave’ in charge but LibDem Coalition partners, had only been going five minutes. They had had no time to change anything after … ahem! …. it could be said, thirteen years of Labour Party misrule.

        Didn’t stop Corbyn trotting out the anti-Conservative Party rant, though.

        Put me off the bloke, completely, it did.


      • Navets says:


        Not bizarre, really, just true to form. It’s been happening to Donald and now to Boris.

        They profess to care about this nation but their actions say something quite the opposite and they really don’t care about the damage they cause. Just imagine where we would be with the EU now if the MSM had constantly been negative about the EU instead of, and in the same way, it has been negative about this nation. In my view, we would already be out and trading with the EU on a non-tariff basis to the mutual benefit of both the EU and the UK.

        The BBC and the rest of the anti-Brexit brigade may not like being called traitors but that is precisely what they are.


  9. vesnadog says:


    “PM Engagements

    HC Deb 11 May 1982

    Mrs. Sally Oppenheim

    If my right hon. Friend has time today, will she watch a recording of last night’s “Panorama” programme? Is she aware that for the most part, but not all, it was an odious, subversive, travesty in which Michael Cockerell and other BBC reporters dishonoured the right to freedom of speech in this country? Is it not time that such people accepted the fact that if they have these rights, they also have responsibilities?

    § The Prime Minister

    I share the deep concern that has been expressed on many sides, particularly about the content of yesterday evening’s “Panorama” programme. I know how strongly many people feel that the case for our country is not being put with sufficient vigour on certain—I do not say all—BBC programmes. The chairman of the BBC has assured us, and has said in vigorous terms, that the BBC is not neutral on this point, and I hope that his words will be heeded by the many who have responsibilities for standing up for our task force, our boys, our people and the cause of democracy.

    § Mr. Winnick [labour]

    Does not the Prime Minister agree that one of the virtues of a political democracy is that radio and television should be independent from constant 599 Government control and interference? Would it not be useful if some of her right hon. and hon. Friends stopped their constant intimidation of the BBC? Perhaps the Prime Minister would take that hint as well.”

    A labour MP supporting the BBC – well, there’s a surprise.


  10. Terminal Moraine says:

    Following on from LGBT vs Islam in UK schools Bild reports: “German daycare centers under police protection after they ban pork to please Muslim children.”

    “…the decision to make the changes came from consideration for two Muslim children […] Responses to the plans grew so heated that Leipzig police decided to park patrol cars outside both of the daycare centers to protect against ‘possible dangers’.”

    Unlikely to be reported by the BBC, it might give some worker drones the wrong idea. What was that phrase we used to hear in the mid-noughties… ‘they’ll never change our way of life…’?


  11. Deborah says:

    After or during Wimmen’s Hour was a drama. I was concentrating on the driving so I have no real idea what it was about but some child had stood for their school council and she got elected on the premise that the school would be carbon neutral in three years, cue adults saying ‘well done’. No idea what went on afterwards as I switched off.

    It is the summer holidays and plenty of children were about. Perhaps more are in the car with Mum or at home while Mum has the radio on. Plenty of opportunity for indoctrination by the BBC.

    Just as an aside during Woman’s Hour Jane Garvey was referring to the hot weather, or holidays and was about to say, ‘if you are on a beach with a handsome MAN,’ realised what she was about to say, stopped mid sentence and said ‘partner’ ad libbing ‘there are no gender stereotypes on this programme.

    It’s Woman’s Hour, the clue is in the title. But she nearly got hoisted with her own petard.


    • Banania says:

      How can such people agree to appear on a programme called “Woman’s Hour”?


  12. Terminal Moraine says:


    • Dystopian says:

      Poverty up
      Crime up
      Waiting times up
      Class sizes up
      Shut up…….for the sake of diversity.

      Oh and of course none of these are the after effects of unlimited immigration.


  13. Up2snuff says:

    TWatO Watch #2

    Bashing Bojo on Brexit. Our very own ‘Trump’ has played a card. And it has worked. Apparently Simon Coveney, Irish Foreign Affairs & Trade Minister, has been pushed into giving the game away on Theresa May. “Boris Johnson is being difficult.” By extension, therefore, Theresa May was a pushover.

    Which is what we discovered in the Parliamentary Week ending 28th March 2019 after two wasted years.

    The shady Jonathan Powell is brought on by our Jonny to reinforce the Irish border.


  14. Doublethinker says:

    My view is that they can certainly see it but are too scared for their own careers to mention it , let alone do anything about it. Douglas Murray writes in his book about the Strange Death of Europe that quite a few MPs have told him privately that they share his concern but that it would be political suicide for them to say so in public.
    It seems a long , long way before we get a Salvini. If by a miracle someone standing on a Salvini type manifesto was actually allowed to stand for election, which is highly doubtful, would the Brits have the guts and common sense to vote for them, knowing what was certain to follow? In Italy they have taken the problem on at a stage which we passed several decades ago, thanks to the neutering of Enoch Powell, who could have been our Salvini fifty years ago, by the awful Heath and the likes of the BBC.


  15. Lucy Pevensey says:

    And the wages of ignoring Enoch Powell are……sexist, racist, bigoted Britain.


    • Doobster78 says:

      And …. lets imagine the outcry from the MSM if roles were reversed and they passed a motion to choose the next Labour MP from a all MALE shortlist. And they must guarantee places for WHITE men .

      It would be headline news and relentless virtue signalling until the decision was overturned. Corbyn, Abbott, Owen Jones etc would not be off our screens. But as its a lefty virtue signal. Nothing.

      As i always say, racism / sexism only ever work one way.


    • Doobster78 says:

      Even women are not happy. Having read all the replies to the tweet, i think Labour have lost the public on this one …again.


      • Terminal Moraine says:

        I could put up with a bit more gender grandstanding but surely all bar one in that pic are still doing their GCSEs?


      • Fedup2 says:

        Do any non women decide which Wimmin should be on a Wimmin only shortlist ?

        And surely only Wimmin should be able to vote for Wimmin .

        I love that doctrine that there needs to be Wimmin to reflect Wimmin . Race is the same – it’s as though categories of people will all have the same outlook or response to issues .

        It’s just a vehicle to gain power and diminish someone else’s

        (Declaration – I am a non woman and don’t see that I have any power apart from being able to delete naughty words from this site – oh the power )


    • Oldspeaker says:

      They’d have a little more credibility if they insisted the same conditions were applied should any of them require a heart surgeon.


    • JamesArthur says:

      well let’s see what is the proportion of white people in Vauxhall – if it is less than 50% they are the minority and therefore shouldn’t they be on the short list to ensure minorities are represented? Or do short lists only apply to none white followed by women?


    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      To be fair, white people are now an ethnic minority in central London, so there should be no reason why a white person could not stand.


    • vesnadog says:


      Re photo,

      We must remember that the other hopefuls who loses out on getting that seat won’t simply go home because each one of those lovely fellas will most likely be put forward in most of the other London boroughs until every one has their very own seat to win.


  16. StewGreen says:

    Radio4 Drama .where’s it going ??
    It’s the PC police drama and it opens with an 85 year old saying “You can’t get anything at the corner shop since the Muslims took over”
    .. sounds like she is a senile murderer.


  17. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC Online News:

    “”Boris Johnson: Relationship with Trump will be ‘sensational’, says top diplomat””

    “”A German government spokesperson also said the PM had discussed Brexit with Chancellor Angela Merkel during a phone call on Friday.””

    “The chancellor has invited the prime minister to visit Berlin for an early first visit,” they added.””


    Merkel acts as though she’s the boss and that Boris must visit Berlin to meet with her.

    Boris, score more points and refuse. Get her to meet you in London. Keep her waiting when she arrives.


  18. StewGreen says:

    8pm Any Questions?
    – Mary Creagh MP Chair of the Environmental Audit Committee
    – Alice Thomson, political interviewer at The Times.
    – Political Editor of the New Statesman magazine Stephen Bush,
    – Attorney General Geoffrey Cox QC MP

    I don’t see a Brexiteer or Climate skeptic


    • Fedup2 says:

      Stew -you left out the bit about it being broadcast from Brussels in front of an audience of ReichEU employees ( 20% funded by the UK taxpayer ) . The former fact is a lie but the other one isn’t – for the moment .

      As an aside – being a viewer ( but not user ) of twitter – there seems an air of mild panic amongst lefty remainers about the new cabinet and what they are saying . I hope it doesn’t pass.

      I wonder what the division is on Remainer MPs

      X % gone on their holidays ( dacha in Tuscany )
      Y% scheming about stopping A50
      #%worrying about losing their seat in the coming election


    • cromwell says:

      Wouldn’t it be good if one of the audience hijacked the questioning and asked Cox about the injustice of imprisoning Tommy.


    • NISA says:

      & Creagh will not be the MP for Wakefield after a general election in which Labour campaigns to cancel Brexit.


  19. Lucy Pevensey says:

    This seems to be good news


  20. StewGreen says:

    The Camden bus lesbian-bashing case
    4 youths arrested 15,16, 16, 17
    cos minors the names and ethnities are suppressed
    ..same as the 2 in the Anfield homophobic attack


    • Fedup2 says:

      Stew – felt terrible for what happened to those ladies —and the assault picture doesn’t need words – but it would be interesting with there turned out to be …. ‘ cultural ‘ issues should the youths be convicted .

      The sooner that Law concealing the identity of criminals is dumped the better – one for you Pritti…


    • vlad says:

      About time that anonymity for minors was scrapped and replaced with name and shame.


  21. Up2snuff says:

    The BBC are currently asking: “Why are there fires raging in the Arctic?” https://www.bbc.co.uk/

    Trick question.


  22. fakenewswatcher says:

    I rather like old Boris. He’s got style. Guts. Energy.
    But I have no problem at all with Nigel’s W4B movement, which reckons that Boris may not get it right, after all, and that someone must be prepared to step in should he fail.
    As for UKIP, I hope reports of their demise are premature.
    If it turns out that Boris was nothing more than a showman, with the gift of the gab, conservatives outside the big ‘C’ party, need to be ready and fired up.
    Cos inside that party you will find a Grieve and a Hammond and a Bercow.
    And inside the cabinet, a Rudd and a Javid and a Hancock.
    So perhaps Nigel has a point.
    If you want to be sceptical, even now, you have every right and reason to be. Politicians: trust them at your peril.


    • Up2snuff says:

      fnw, there is a leadership contest going on with UKIP.

      Now that the BBC have got the LimpNon-Dems and Conservative Party contests over, perhaps the BBC will turn their attention to UKIP.


      I thought not.


      • fakenewswatcher says:

        Comes as no surprise.
        Beeb will prattle on endlessly about ‘fairness’.
        But don’t expect them to practice what they preach!

        (With Swinson in charge, I reckon the Limps will eventually crash and burn.)


        • Up2snuff says:

          fnw, don’t know. The Remain Campaign who do not accept the result of the EU Referendum have stirred up enough ‘ordinary voters’ since to generate some support. I suspect it is not as great as they like to think and we Brexiteers may fear.

          There were signs that the Gov.UK Petition (5m+ respondents) was hacked and I have noticed strange names, not the regulars, on BBC HYSs that are Brexit related. There is some gaming going on.

          Currently, everyone who opposes democracy and the UK leaving the EUNation will gravitate to the Lib Dems but I suspect that enthusiasm may wane, especially if Brexit is achieved with a No Deal and the sky doesn’t fall in on us. The major problem for Jo Swinson is a No-Deal Brexit on 31 October 2019, no massive disruption, people having a happy Christmas and New Year and some good numbers starting to emerge on employment, inflation, summer staycationers, summer sales and NY sales. That may depress voter enthusiasm for the LibDems.

          I hope Sajid Javid doesn’t do anything silly in his first Budget but I suspect The First Lord may push him into it. Javid’s a bit that way inclined, anyway, as a keen Thatcherite. Bojo should have kept him at Home and let a careful Mogginator handle the cash.


  23. fakenewswatcher says:

    Snuff – I know what you mean. The Limps have managed to put out a little piece of cheese labelled ‘Remain’, and lots of little mousies, little nosies in the air going “sniff, sniff” will find that attractive. The trap of democratic illegitimacy will snap shut, when the time comes.
    That is why I said ‘eventually’. I can’t see Swinson being a tough, inspirational leader in the long run. Shrill and mouthy, yes. Tough and inspirational, no.
    As for Sajid, it will be interesting times. I hope he makes a better job of his current portfolio, than he did with his previous one. I understand why Boris appointed him, but rewarding failure is never a good sign, especially when it comes to such a critical task. I sense that, while Boris is a good leader, he’s probably a less effective manager. Big difference.
    Yes, Mogginator handling the budget would have been far more reassuring.


    • Up2snuff says:

      fnw, think you may be muddling Javid with Rudd. Rudd caused the mess, Javid’s been cleaning it up. He got a quick result on Rudd’s Windrush mess. He stood firm – so far – on Shamina Begum, now that cannot come back on him and Priti will have to take the flak or maintain course on that decision.

      Agree on Swinson. Has a voice – and attitude – to make me reach for the radio off-switch. The LibDems became the Nasty Nazi Party under Vince. Amazing how the BBC forget his massive slur against Leave voters but remember everything that Bojo has ever done.


      • fakenewswatcher says:

        Snuff – I think Rudd was completely out of her depth.
        Re Javid, if one looks at crime and immigration….?


        • Up2snuff says:

          fnw, exactly so! Javid proved he could survive even for the short time there. London crime was not his responsibility, that and the capital’s policing is devolved to the Mayor, I think.

          On immigration, all Tories are to blame. I think they do it to advantage their business friends. Labour do it, equally so, to disadvantage Benefit claimants (ie. provide, without stating it, a message that someone will be along for the spare jobs) and ‘to rub Conservatives noses in diversity’. I hope Bojo & Javid & Patel say that they aim to get unemployment down to hundreds of thousands before importing more people.

          The Labour Party are very weak on that front, especially after thirteen years in power during which there was a long period of “unprecedented continuous economic growth.”.


  24. Fedup2 says:

    I thought the rise in the Libs was because they were the ‘remain’ party. But now Jeremy has formally torn up the Labour Party manifesto – without NEC consent – and also has a Remain party .

    So with a bit of luck the Remain vote will now be split . The other issue is the split in the Brexit vote between The Brexit Party UKIP and New Conservatives …..

    The conduct of the EU is stupid – and will push people toward Brexit – who are not already there . Strange how they forget how belligerent the indigenous population can be when foreigners such as the Brussels drunks and awful krauts try to dictate …
    But then they have to play tough in case another wise country gets the same idea . Bye bye EU


    • Up2snuff says:

      Fed, true but wait until GE time. Labour might be Remain now but once the manifesto gets out ….

      Thing about the EU is that Tusk & Juncker have removed all doubt that the EU is a nation. Even in early 2016, Remainers were saying ‘No, no way’ to that. It’s no longer deniable.


      • Fedup2 says:

        I was going through papers and found the original 1975 booklet which was sent to every household by Harold Wilson before the Referendum to stay in the EEC. Strange how it doesn’t say anything about how much we would be contributing to other countries welfare whilst we can’t even sort elderly social care out .

        98 days ? Until A50 expires – and we will be entertained by a daily rerun of Project Fear ….probably with added ‘ celebrities ‘ telling us we must remain ….

        Fortunately Blair Brown Major Heseltine are so toxic that they just boost Brexit …my favourite project Fear is the ‘no drinking water ‘ one ….


        • Up2snuff says:

          Fed, my favourite was the Tesco boss telling us there would be no Christmas goods available on his shelves in November if there is a No-Deal-Brexit!

          Norfolk sceptic voice: “Yeaherr, roigghhtt!”

          Matches well with my encounter this a.m. in a local supermarket.


          • Fedup2 says:

            October is before Christmas – there won’t be enough warehouse storage – there will be rationing of this that and the other – again .
            I’d accept rationing if it meant being free of the Junker in the Bunker .

            And as for Eire – population 3 million plus 1 million EU nationals – let them build their own border if they want one …. but they seem to be trying to bully a nation of a population of somewhere around 75 million and apparently is the 5th richest in the world ( never know where that one comes from and do not believe it ) …


  25. pugnazious says:

    20,000 more police officers are to be recruited and the BBC is ecstatic…it’s something they’ve been demanding for years now…blaming the lack of officers for the rise in violent crime.

    But back in the real world…just listening to 5 Live tell a government minister that this just isn’t rooted in reality…it’s just too difficult to do……‘this is not something to be welcomed’

    No, really….‘this is not something to be welcomed’

    Only on the BBC.


  26. Doobster78 says:

    BBC picture editor in line for a ethnicity and diversity bonus !!!!



    • JamesArthur says:

      To not be white clearly is the BBC answer..


    • Ian Rushlow says:

      I’m gonna take a stab at seeing if I can work this one out…
      Is it because da communities like to be policed by people that look like them? You know, to er, combat institutional racism and stuff, like?


  27. Beltane says:

    Much made on the 6 o’clock news of serial liar Carl Beech and the immense damage done to high-profile figures by his accusations.
    Oddly enough, another high-profile and erstwhile fat figure, Tom Watson, was not mentioned, despite the fact that both Harvey Procter and Greville Janner’s son named him as being powerfully instrumental in the credibility of Beech and the creation of the Met’s witch-hunt.


    • Beltane says:

      Odder still, ITV thought it significant enough to show the clip of Tubby Tom sparking off the farce from behind the safety wall of parliamentary privilege. Perhaps the more professional BBC didn’t think it ‘newsworthy’.
      If ghosts can wreak vengeance I’d say Mr Watson should watch his back – maybe that’s why he reduced its area.


  28. JamesArthur says:

    Wife switched R4 on..I think it was supposed to be a comedy show but basically it was a bunch of somewhat pompous people slagging off Brexit and Boris.. oh what fun….she switched it off..
    The BBC really have stopped doing comedy..but we still have to pay for this trash


    • Up2snuff says:

      JA, that is that R4 6.30pm comedy, Lobby Land, that wasn’t a 6.30pm comedy on its first run.

      I think it’s not too bad. Listened to all but first five minutes. Not adorably guffawable like Dead Ringers but still quite a good script. They took potshots at the print & new media (ie. themselves) as well as Boris.


  29. Up2snuff says:

    Not the BBC & its bias but Snuffy was out, stocking the NAAFI shelves on behalf of the old Regiment this a.m..

    Went into a supermarket to find goods unavailable and a notice taped to almost empty shelves containing just bits and bobs. The lame excuse: ‘Due to a national power outage we have had to clear our shelves of perishable goods.’

    Snuffy’s Bullshit Meter needle quivered quite a lot and rose to settle in the yellow sector near the start of the orange sector. The Snuffy household is less than a mile from said establishment and enjoyed no disruption to its power supply. The two shops next door had refrigerated goods on sale. I deliberately went and checked. It would be fair to say that they may have had back-up generators and there could have been a very small, very local, power cut. However, why were there odd bottles of milk and containers of cream and sundry bits of this and that still on the shelves in the first establishment? How come those goods were not affected by this supposed national power cut?

    However, I suspect that the Store Manager or his Area Supervisor got the anticipated demand for the foods that sit on refrigerated shelves wrong for the hottest week of the year so far and could not re-stock in time.

    Bullshit Meter needle ended up in the red zone. The lesson for the BBC?

    Train folk up by getting them detecting your Bullshit and they will do it all the time, all over the place. It’s amazing that the BBC complain about Trump complaining about FakeNews and FalseFacts and blaming sections of the media including the BBC. Well, BBC, you really only have yourselves to blame. You’ve taught us how to spot the BBC bias!


  30. Lucy Pevensey says:


  31. Lucy Pevensey says:

    Migration Watch Launches Petition Against BoJo’s Illegal Migrant Amnesty Proposal



    • Thoughtful says:

      It’s worse than that though, he’s now offering to pay the EU the £39 Billion that Theresa gave away just to reopen negotiations.

      He is truly a product of the rotten school. Expediency first & foremost to advance the old school tie.


      • G.W.F. says:


        Please tell me that it is not true that he is offering to pay the EU the £39 billion? My hopes for Boris have been slipping away and this would end them.


      • Helen Richardson says:

        He’s not “offering” to pay it, he’s using it as a bargaining chip along with everything else, like WTO rules. This is precisely what may should have done but didn’t.

        For God’s sake Thoughtless, did an Etonian steal you girlfriend, prang your car or something? It really does sound pathetic.


        • Thoughtful says:

          Well, seeing as I’m not a lesbian I don;t think there’s much chance of Boris or other stealing a ‘girlfriend’!

          The other major public schools do not demonstrate the same qualities as the rotten one does. Churchill also had a few choice words about them too, was he ‘pathetic’ ?


          • Helen Richardson says:

            Several members of the Churchill family went to Eton. Winston S Churchill was sent to Harrow because it was considered less demanding than Eton.

            He penned a considerable number of words in his lifetime but, as far as I know, didn’t keep harping on in a childish way with sweeping, pathetic generalisations. The BBC is known for that sort of thing but I thought this site was supposed to be above it.


      • Banania says:

        According to some estimates the actual population exceeds the official population by 18 million.


  32. Fedup2 says:

    Thoughtful – what is the source of the £39 billion offer ? – I take it the ‘he’ you are referring to is Bojo – is that correct too ?


  33. G.W.F. says:

    thoughtful, fedup2
    Is this is?


    ‘Britain will “throw itself” into negotiations and “turbo-charge” preparations for a no-deal divorce, Johnson said. He said the 39 billion pounds would be available for the work.’

    Ditto BBC


    • Up2snuff says:

      Think that refers to Bojo saying he will spend the £39bn on No Deal here rather than hand it over to the EUNation.

      Much better to spend £19bn on the NHS. Keep the rest in the bank. That shuts up Labour on the NHS, although they will still moan, but also puts the BBC in a difficult place, too.


      • Thoughtful says:

        Well here’s one which makes it pretty clear he has every intention of paying it, and will only withold it if he doesn’t get what he calls ‘clarity’.

        The only eventuality in which he won’t pay this is is if the EU don’t come up with a more acceptable deal and we actually leave without a deal.



        • Fedup2 says:

          Thoughtful – thank you – I think it’s interpretation and BoJo deserves a bit of support for the time being. I don’t think I like him much but if he gets us out clean I’ll be a fan …


        • StewGreen says:

          @Thoughtful So the newspaper making the extraordinary claim that Boris is ready to give up the £39bn , is the-i
          ..owned the Russians and the Saudis.


      • theisland says:

        Much better to spend the whole £39 billion on deporting all illegals and enforcing our borders.


  34. Heyho says:

    Really can’t believe this story. Several weather presenters have recently said that yesterday was the hottest UK day. Met Office now saying that it was 38.7C contradicting the 38.1 in today’s press.

    Surely in this day of advanced technology and having (supposedly) the biggest computer in the world the temperature recorded yesterday wasn’t 38.1. It was actually 38.7

    What a load of BS. Climate change and AlBeeb probably complained that the reading needed adjusting to break the record thereby confirming climate change.

    Just Mad! Wonder if this will apply to the Olympics games where world records are suddenly adjusted 24 hours later to satisfy colour/creed/nationality/Sexuality/religion etc etc of the competitor

    Fake News and now Fake Weather!



  35. Guest Who says:

    This seems to have come, and gone, apparently, with very little notice by those who usually worry about such things.