Midweek Open Thread 17 July 2019

The Far Left Failing Biased BBC keeps on giving doesn’t it ? It doesn’t even pretend to be neutral any more . There is just one ‘approved ‘ story ;facts which don’t fit the narrative are minimised or ignored . And people are forced to pay for it .

And if you think the MPs see it as biased – think again – the link below is to the debate on the useless petition about BBC bias

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2019-07-15/debates/AF16A1B4-E52D-46BC-9EEF-555F504FD7B2/BBC

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538 Responses to Midweek Open Thread 17 July 2019

  1. JimS says:

    A break from BBC hatred:
    The little girl from next door, clearly dressed ready for bed, knocks on my door clutching a little packet of glitter. “Please can you look after this for me?”, she says. “Why?” I ask. “You KNOW I’m not allowed glitter in my house!”

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    • StewGreen says:

      @JimS fine upstanding parents your neighbours
      fighting the menace of glitter
      .. I suppose the parent could’ve meant
      “keep it in the shed, cos I am not cleaning it up when you spill it inside the house”

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      • JimS says:

        I am learning the hard way about glitter, it’s on the dish cloths, tea towels, floors…
        …it’s a small price to share the sheer joy of living expressed by a little girl!

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    • StewGreen says:

      Backlinks to previous thread
      : page 4 ran from Tuesday at 8pm to 5am
      : page 3 from 9am to 8pm
      There’ll be a surprise test later to make sure you have read it all.

      Re the FakeParliamentDebate on BBC Bias
      see the summary here
      https://isthebbcbiased.blogspot.com/2019/07/are-e-petition-debates-useless.html
      HoC debate into media bias at the BBC arising from a petition many of us signed
      was bundled up with abolition of the license fee & restoration of free TV licenses for the over-75s.
      And dismissed in a few patronising comments in a scripted a stitch up ☹️

      So much for debating BBC bias 🙄
      A group of people just going
      “Nah, it’s fine. it’s British and everyone loves it.”
      The words damp and squib come to mind…

      They’ll be a Twitter hashtag

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      • StewGreen says:

        The YouTube debate
        Even though comments are disabled you can comment using the Gab Dissenter extension


        \\ So I was looking forward to watching the #BBCbias debate in Parliament
        but would you believe it the BBC have changed the BBC Parliament channel to show the Lords instead.
        Strange that hey?//

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        • StewGreen says:

          The HoC Facebook discussion

          I still didn’t find a Twitter hashtag

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        • StewGreen says:

          “Even though comments are disabled ”
          I was wrong comments are open
          It’s the other channel the parliament LIVE channel that doesn’t have open comments.

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        • NCBBC says:

          As the people own and pay for the BBC, there should be a referendum on what to do with it.
          1. Paywall
          2, Privatise

          Unfortunately, parliament and establishment got their collective fingers burnt at the last referendum. I’m afraid there will be no further referendums for the foreseeable future.

          Which means, we are not going to be asked questions which are far too complicated for us.

          This also means that there will be more mass immigration of people who are not fit to live in Britain, many of whom harbour intent to replace our traditions with Islam.

          For the present, one way or other, parliament will find a way to negate Brexit, relying on the docility of the British to get away with it.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Stew
        Thanks – I’ve read it all but I disqualify myself . I often think it’s sad that friends post good stuff each thread and then someone comes along who starts a new one leading to inevitable distraction …

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    • Wild Bill says:

      Maybe she meant Gary Glitter?

         9 likes

  2. TrueToo says:

    Thanks for posting that Fedup2. I will read it all when time allows.

    This is the same link. Dunno why it didn’t work above:

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2019-07-15/debates/AF16A1B4-E52D-46BC-9EEF-555F504FD7B2/BBC

    Anyone who has trouble with it can Google:

    hansard parliament uk commons 2019 07 15 debates BBC Bias

    For me, the first result that came up was the correct one.

    Here’s a sample:

    Jim Shannon – DUP:

    As the hon. Lady will know, people of my generation always used to say, “Well, this is the BBC. It’s gospel. It’s the truth.” Does she share my concern that the BBC is not now as impartial as it should be and that we need to instigate reform in order to alter that perception, so that we can go back to the good old days of unbiased reporting of fact rather than personal perceptions and opinions?

    Helen Jones – Labour

    I am afraid that I do not agree with the hon. Gentleman—the BBC produces very good news coverage. People sometimes see bias when they are being told things that they do not want to hear—we must remember that.

    Perhaps she is friendly with the deluded Nick Robinson, as those words were part of what he tweeted quoting George Orwell. She seems to believe that the BBC is above reproach.

    It really is Orwellian that the BBC sees itself as a courageous guardian of truth and that the perception is shared by so many of the elite in government and elsewhere.

    Someone pass me a bucket.

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    • chancygardner says:

      I have been reading the transcript. (Since I signed the petition, the document was emailed to me).However, I will not bother with any of these petitions again. None of them seem to receive the respect they deserve nor inspire the need for focused debate. I admit I didn’t read this transcript all the way through as I became bored with the usual waffle and point-scoring. I gave up when it was suggested by one member that the BBC was right-wing. What’s the point? I mean really, what is the point?

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      • TrueToo says:

        chancygardner,

        Seems you have nailed it.

        Google told me that the above debate was live on YouTube on Monday. Good, I thought, I’ll play it while doing other things.

        First thing I saw was Live chat is disabled for this video.

        Next was that there is no box for comments. Then I tried to click on the video box, but it just sat and stared at me. And there are zero likes and dislikes.

        Perhaps I should click on ‘like’ as at least the government is being honest here: when it comes to dealing with the BBC (and much else) the government has nothing of value to offer, nothing to say and just sits there like a brick wall.

        I did read the blurb under the ‘video’ and was flabbergasted by this bit:

        In deciding which petitions should be debated, it takes into account how many people have signed the petition, the topicality of the issue raised, whether the issue has recently been debated in Parliament, and the breadth of interest among MPs.

        Right, so all they have to do to ignore the will of the people as expressed in these petitions is to be disinterested? How comforting and convenient for them and how bloody typical.

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      • G says:

        Cg,
        The Government Petition’ nonsense: An illusion constructed to suggest to the uninformed that the UK still has a functioning ‘democracy’ and the Government will listen and debate the people’s concerns.
        2016 Referendum anybody?…………………….

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      • LynetteO says:

        There is a point. What we should be fearful of is good people doing nothing. We saw what happens when it was possible for good people to protest but they kept quiet. Instead of being discouraged , encourage others to take part. Well done for trying!

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    • Fedup2 says:

      That’s ok TrueToo – but I’m guilty of having not read it all as I got to despair pretty quickly when it became clear that MPs are a waste of time as they all want to be ‘ favoured ‘ by the state and its broadcaster .

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      • StewGreen says:

        This clips sums it up as a Tory and Labour MP turn it into a Punch & Judy Show about over-75s licences

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      • StewGreen says:

        Clive Lewis being a liar
        using the bogus Cardiff Uni report to say the BBC is biased towards Brexit & the Tories

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      • TrueToo says:

        Fedup2,

        Easy to despair when looking at the actions of alleged MPs, the alleged government and the alleged state broadcaster

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  3. andyjsnape says:

    “And the most-played song on UK radio is… Chasing Cars”

    I play alot of music, Doesn’t mean its popular 🙂
    A bit like the beeb, a lot of people watch/listen – doesn’t mean they agree with their propaganda

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  4. Foscari says:

    There is an amusing video clip on You Tube of a Golden Retriever
    who goes and gets his own ice cream from an ice cream van.
    One of the comments is that it took a viewer half the video
    to understand that the dog’s owner was speaking in English.
    I now have the same problem with the continuity presenters
    on BBC TV. Who seem to have been chosen to display
    their ability in speaking Patois for diversity and
    positive discrimination reasons.

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    • Mrs Kitty says:

      Channel 4 second cousin to the Beeb have gone one stage further, one of the continuity announcers has a speech impediment. Being deaf I’ve got no chance and when Mr Kitty turned to me and said ” what did he say?……was it a he?” it just summed up the whole farce.

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  5. Guest Who says:

    OT, but Vine is pervasive. As is the hag.

    #CCBGB

       56 likes

    • JamesArthur says:

      YAB is a vile person who couldn’t even admit that the caller had a point or accept her view. She even pointed her finger at somebody on the radio. She is another race baiter. I am person of colour – White ..or doesn’t that count?

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  6. Guest Who says:

    Bbc editorial integrity.

       59 likes

    • BRISSLES says:

      Last year I wrote a scathing letter to the management at Walkers crisps, in that they were continuing to use a ‘front man’ who, with his continuing belligerent views on Twitter, was surely not someone that Walker would want to be associated with.

      They replied with, in effect, “what Mr Lineker does in his private time and cdoes not express the views of this company ” etc etc.

      Surely those at Walkers must read the adverse comments of the public either on Twitter or in the press re his salary at the BBC and his contentious views, and it must set alarm bells ringing.

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      • StewGreen says:

        The current Walkers TV adverts feature the Spice Girls and an ethnic Pak guy

           21 likes

      • Monty says:

        I don’t buy walkers there are better quality in lidls and aldi, and i feel a lot better for it.

           35 likes

      • JamesArthur says:

        Wife did same and got same reply so we no longer buy them – simples

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      • thehoiman says:

        You can bet your arse he would have long since been dumped if he happened to advocate for Brexit on social meedya in his ‘private time’.

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        • Scroblene says:

          Too true!

          I always moan to the management about Walkers cheap, crappy stuff at my local Tesco, and that means that several more packets don’t get bought, because we all laugh at the bearded twat’s intervention on junk-food ads for idiots.

          Always works here – they must lose a fortune in the shadier sorts of knock-out junk-food places!

             10 likes

  7. Guest Who says:

    Bbc editorial integrity.

       53 likes

    • Not Gwent says:

      ‘pin the blame on Westminster’

      The SNP need to get together with Kahn. He could help them with complaining whilst upping his pinning. A match made in heaven.

         31 likes

      • Thatcherrevolutionary says:

        Why are people surprised when they vote Socialist, they get Socialism?
        Scotland and London are hard left.

           17 likes

    • Donbob says:

      No coincidence drug use and consequent drug death up since introduction of minimum per unit alcohol pricing by the SNP virtue signallers.

         10 likes

  8. Doublethinker says:

    If we do leave the EU it will now almost certainly be without a deal. The Remainiacs scuppered any chance of a ‘good deal’ three years ago by refusing to accept the referendum outcome and acting as Brussels’s fifth column ever since. The EU knows that powerful forces in the UK are acting on their behalfand are quite prepared to wreck our economy so as to force us back into the EU after another election, therefore we will certainly not get asensible deal from the EU until after a GE. Only if that GE returns a heavily pro Brexit Parliament will they come back to the negotiating table and talk sensibly. Because of the Remainers almost certain wish to wreck the economy Boris will need to call an election quickly. I also think that he should give only the minimum of three weeks notice of the election. The longer the campaign the more damage the Remainers will do and the more the BBC et al will cause even more damage than they already have.Brexit hangs by a thread.

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    • Not Gwent says:

      “Boris will need to call an election quickly.”

      Right now this would be the smart thing to do and split Labour. Now what was the latter’s policy?

      Politics is all about the moment.

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      • thehoiman says:

        He most likely won’t be able to do that. Due to the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011, he would need the backing of two-thirds of the Commons. It’s doubtful he’d get this right now when so many Con/Lab MPs would risk losing their seats to Brexit/Green/LibDem.

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    • tarien says:

      Agree with much of what you say Doublethinker, however can we say that the conservatives will win a General Election? Right now I would say unlikely- The Brexit Party under Farage might well take any Conservative chance away, that could leave the LibDems with more power to negotiate a deal with Labour who will I think will fair badly in a GE. It could be possible for the Conservatives to work with the Brexit Party, who at least are singing from the same hymn sheet in wanting out of the EU and will work with a No Deal Bexit, which personally I favour.

         38 likes

      • G says:

        Tarien,
        Its not purely Brexit any longer. I agree totally with Farage: it needs massive change away from the two-party system and this redundant Parliamentary system.

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      • Doublethinker says:

        Agree. I have no fear of No Deal and it is certainly better than Brino. Isn’t it remarkable that the politicians in charge of the EU would rather see their own people suffer along with us than agree a sensible trade deal, tellsyou all you need to know about the EU and it’s priorities.I too assume that Boris and Nigel will form an electoral pact and contest seats with only one pro Brexit candidate between them, and continue cooperation but not a coalition, until Brexit is secured. I think that the Greens, Lib Dem’s, Labour , Nationalists will find it more difficult to form an opposing electoral pact. But unless there is a substantial pro Brexit majority , over 60 seats, in the next Parliament the Remainer Brussels axis will still refuse to accept Brexit is a done deal. The HoL will also have to be put firmly back in its box.

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        • Navets says:

          DT

          The EU has form for preferring its own to suffer as anyone who has read “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis will know. I firmly believe the EU is incapable of negotiating in good faith, the only thing it adheres to is political calculation and to Hell with any consequences for the ordinary person

          I merely live in hope that we will leave the EU and never return. Whether we leave or not, I foresee serious unrest and the blood will be on the hands of the BBBC and all of the other Libtards who have continually acted as forces in opposition to the will of the people. Shame on them all and a plague to all their houses.

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      • pertelote says:

        Re Tories/BP dividing vote and inadvertently letting the limpdums in…watch what happens in Brecon&Radnor by election. Aug 1st.

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  9. Dover Sentry says:

    I was in central London yesterday for a meeting. 🙁

    A number of banners were displayed across The Strand near Trafalgar Square stating ‘Londonisopen’. At first glance I read it as ‘Londonistan’.

    Mayor Khan getting us ready, perhaps?

       60 likes

    • Deborah says:

      Dover, I first read in your post as Londistan. Had to go back and reread.

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  10. digg says:

    A good example of how journalists slant the news, this time the Express and what is obvious click-bait.

    “Moon landing SHOCK: Neil Armstrong admitted ‘it was a sham’ in incredibly candid interview”

    What? They never went?

    It was all false?

    It was all done in the studio?

    NO, the story beneath this headline explains how Neil Armstrong admitted that even though he looked confident boarding the spacecraft he was actually a bit nervous!

    What low, despicable trawling this article is by their esteemed science reporter Mr Kettler.

    It goes to show that no-one can trust anyone in the media to just tell the truth without spin. Always an axe to grind.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1153892/Moon-landing-Neil-Armstrong-it-was-sham-Apollo-11-anniversary-astronaut-interview

       58 likes

    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      Armstrong a bit nervous eh? What sitting atop tons of fuel about to blast out of the atmosphere and physically leave the planet? Nervous? Why wouldn’t he be? Does it detract from his accomplishment in any way? People get nervous on jet planes going from Britain to Spain. People get car sick.
      Nothing burger article.

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    • Guest Who says:

      Watched ‘First Man’.

      Seems to be an astounding pilot you need to be quite focussed and maybe often taciturn.

      Finding a high % of colleagues die horribly doing the same job might make you reflective too.

      Can’t imagine how the cretinous ‘reporters’ at the BBC would have handled his answers at photo ops.

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    • Navets says:

      Digg

      Are the conspiracy theories as far-fetched as they would seem?

      https://theunredacted.com/moon-landings-the-apollo-hoax/

         2 likes

      • Anders Thomasson says:

        That piece is full of inaccuracies and generalisations, all of which has long been discredited, and as ever with lunar conspiracies presents no hard evidence at all for its assertions. That is against an overwhelming amount of evidence that the moon landings did happen.

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  11. fakenewswatcher says:

    Toady: Humph: Interviews an Obama aide, who’s just great.
    Interviews a Republican of colour. Has to attack him cos he’s not saying what Humph wants: to hammer Trump.
    He’s saying the 4 women started it with things like there need to be reparations for slavery. Now THAT is racism. Wanting to cash in, using race. I though the President may have been unwise tweetwise, but that is provocative stuff. Isn’t it?
    Oh wait, we’re listening to Thunberg…

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  12. digg says:

    Humph gives massive air-time this morning to a reprehensible, deranged ER chap using the program to try to recruit people to the organisation and create mayhem while stating that “some people might die”.

    An unbelievably naive and partisan decision to run with and tacitly support this extended interview/advert by the same vile organisation who have steadfastly refused any credence, air-time etc. to TR for trying to right real social ills.

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  13. digg says:

    Mr Trump did not say “go back where you come from”

    He said in effect, “go back and fix the massive problems where you came from then come back and tell us how you did it before you criticise the USA.”

    A fair point in my opinion.

    However lets just go with the BBC’s bent clipped version hey?

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    • JamesArthur says:

      digg
      Agree.. Has anyone put in a complaint yet – I might but currently working on one which has actually got the interest of the OFCOM 🙂

         8 likes

    • thehoiman says:

      This is what Trump does best… he words things in such a way that the MSM can’t resist skewing the context and trying to attack him with it. But they end up being called out and looking foolish every time, and Trump ends up with more ammunition to back his accusations of ‘Fake News’.

      You’d think they would have learned by now…

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      • Scroblene says:

        Even the journo on Politico being interviewed by Dotun sighed and said that the ‘story’ would peter out by Thursday evening!

        That’s saying something!

        He also said that all the presidents have tried the ‘race card’ including Barry and Slickwilly; it’s a great step-off point for a new four years!

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  14. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    I have yet to see anyone call the bbc (and others) out on this “why don’t they go back home” tweet by Donald.

    Not one has said the complete tweet says “and come back…”

    It changes the complete meaning of what our news tv is telling us.

    They have deliberately manipulated his words to give a completely different meaning.

    All I’ve seen is lots of talking heads virtue signalling.
    Nobody saying “why are you misleading everybody by leaving out a crucial part of what you say he has tweeted”

    Of course, now, this has gone around the world as they want it to. Any apology will be after the damage is done.

       73 likes

    • Larry Dart says:

      I think Tim Pool has an interesting take on this.

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    • Navets says:

      EG

      It was all pretty obvious that what DT was reported to have said would be very likely a distortion and so it has proved.

      The BBBC really is a front for propaganda and a sickening excuse for journalism, funded by the license fee payer, whether aged nineteen or ninety.

      The swamp in which the BBC dwells is truly rotting, fetid and plague-ridden.

      Some believe the BBC should raise its own finance. I profoundly disagree and believe it should simply be abolished and scattered to the farthest possible four corners.

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  15. JimS says:

    A ‘must see’ explanation why the civil service and the BBC have screwed us over Brexit and just about everything else.

       39 likes

    • Terminal Moraine says:

      Thanks JimS, looks like some other good videos on that channel too

         12 likes

    • G says:

      Jim,
      This is surely why the civil service love the EU so much: they see the EU as fellow traveller equally as financially unaccountable as they are.

         18 likes

      • Scroblene says:

        …and there are so many of them, all sucking at the public’s teats…

        It must be galling for the sad people who eventually finish up ‘working’ in these well-paid sinecures, to understand that nobody thinks they’re worth a tinker’s cuss, they’re lazy, usually thick, and couldn’t hold down a job making UK Inc great, even if they were handed one on a plate.

        The bbbc just love ‘interviewing’ this peculiar race of non-workers, they all come from the same sort of mould, which lets them sit around, shaqqing themselves in the belief that the genial listener will think they’re right!

        I don’t know anybody who believes a word the bbbc says nowadays.

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  16. Panda says:

    In beebland jumping up and down shouting RACIST at Trump, Boris and Brexiteers is perfectly impartial.
    They just haven’t quite figured out yet that the more they do it the more normal folk will vote for these aforementioned Trump Boris Brexit.
    And these are the ‘intelligent’ people?

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  17. theisland says:

    Granted it’s only the Express but a poll of 4,963 readers found 80 percent of people believed a trade deal with the US should be the absolute priority of the next prime minister.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1154177/brexit-latest-news-boris-johnson-us-trade-deal-trump-jeremy-hunt-tory-leadership

       33 likes

  18. Terminal Moraine says:

    Probably been mentioned already — ONE chippy in Leicester closes down because the owner felt uneasy about fish sustainability and pollution.

    “So should we feel uneasy about continuing to chow down on a British culinary classic?”

    Yes, yes of course we should BBC. We must always feel uneasy about British classics. Next up: Nadiya Bake Off reimagines Spangles, pickled onions and Jammy Dodgers for a more inclusive UK.

    hzahecS.png

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    • Kaiser says:

      If this is even remotely true
      then surely they should have been campaigning to get eu vessels to stop raping our fishing grounds!

         44 likes

      • Scroblene says:

        Especially with all that dead-tree, micro-fashioned cardboard box, destined for the landfill.

        I’m sure that Leicester citizens will heave a sigh of relief when all that farting-fodder they’ll soon spurt out at their old chippy makes them smell somewhat queasy, especially if the mustard-seeds get an airing!

        I think the owners may even get a grant for a course in vegan gender studies at their local tech, and that would complete the set as far as the vile bbbc is concerned.

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  19. G says:

    The islamist armies lying low in Germany:
    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/14551/germany-middle-eastern-spies
    Almost certainly, they cannot believe their luck with such a welcoming nation. Pity they didn’t try it on > 80 years ago.

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  20. Guest Who says:

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    • G says:

      GW,
      Why oh why doesn’t our ‘Worlds Most Trusted’ build in to the part that he is sent to Saudi Arabia for ‘enlightening’ further. The character could then gain practice in chopping hands and stoning women.

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  21. G says:

    Posted earlier on the wrong thread…….
    I have to confess, I’ve just listened to an interesting item on Toady. Some senior retired member of the Secret Services (didn’t catch name) stated that the organisation ‘Extinction Rebellion’ is simply a cover, to currently disrupt and ultimately destroy politics in the West. Yawn. Not another group permitted by the State to disrupt its citizens? Needless to say the BBC interviewer, Humphrys, immediately took on the defence of ER demanding what evidence there was to support the assertions. Reply: look at their website / YouTube where the camouflage of, let’s face it, ER’s Marxist goals will be stripped to reveal their true intentions.
    The ex SS interviewee repeatedly directed the uninformed to visit ER’s website for their underlying extreme aspirations.
    Question 1: Er…….as so-called, “reporters” surely the BBC have the capacity and wherewithal to investigate in preparation for this interview? Surely they could allocate a unbiased, objective reporter to do just that? “Find one” I hear in chorus………….
    Question 2: Shock Horror Probe! YouTube are in on it. Deplatforming clearly does not extend to Marxists. As Cilla would have said, “Surprise, surprise”.
    Apparently a representative of ER is to be interviewed after 0830 when, no doubt, the BBC will be as supportive (of their fellow) Marxists as they can.

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    • G says:

      And then,
      Contd.
      I listened carefully to the second interview by Humphrys. Here’s Policy Exchange’s Report on ‘Extinction Rebellion’ –
      https://policyexchange.org.uk/publication/extremism-rebellion/
      “We only have one year left” until doomsday………….. according to ER.
      So, make the most of your last year and tune in to BBC for a stage by stage commentary on our last year………………
      Marxists the lot of them.
      I smell the rotting meat of Soros…………..

         44 likes

  22. StewGreen says:

    4:30pm Radio4 MediaShow will be discussing Tommy Robinson
    cos that is the placeholder pic
    #BiasedBBC have naughty habit of not putting up the topic beforehand

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    • StewGreen says:

      This vid just came up on Twitter , I haven’t checked it

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    • StewGreen says:

      Amol’s intro was OK
      asking if there is a public interest in releasing some info
      why is Tommy in Leeds not in the public interest.
      Casciani is on and he hates TR

      Amol I’ll call him Mr Robinson from now on

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      • StewGreen says:

        Amol then misrepresents TR
        by saying that TR said that contempt law is used to restrict the reporting of Groom/Rape gangs
        TR’s main point is that the metro-media deliberately under report them irrespective of contempt restrictions.

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        • StewGreen says:

          @amolrajan just wrongly said TR was working for Ezra & the Rebel in Leeds
          .. he certainly wasn’t as he’d gone independent some months earlier.
          AFAIK he knew there were reporting restrictions but tried to stay within them

          Casciani “TR broke a reporters rule he didn’t check with clerk of the court”
          Untrue, TR didn’t need to as he knew there were restrictions & mentioned that in his livestream
          .. he assumed that things ALREADY published in Guardian/BBC could not be restricted

          Both Casciani and media lawyer David Banks refused to follow Amol in calling him Mr Robinson
          they insisted on SYL

          As a hit job it wasn’t very big and few R4 listeners seemed bothered, as none tweeted
          Casciani himself is rarely mentioned on Twitter
          much lower profile than TR or Ezra

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    • StewGreen says:

      Media Shop : They put up a photo

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  23. digg says:

    It becomes clear today that Extinction Rebellion are not a simple environmental protest group but actually a political body trying to wrest control through disruption and direct action rather than through the democratic process.

    The last outfit in this country to choose to go that route were the Black Shirts under Oswald Mosley who employed the same bully boy, mob rule tactics and we all know where that ended up!

       49 likes

    • Emmanuel Goldstein says:

      Digg.
      Or the National Socialist Vegetarian Party under Oswald Meusli.

         39 likes

      • Lurkio says:

        Who lost all support when he became a cereal killer. (Sorry).

           25 likes

        • Scroblene says:

          There’s not a grain of truth in your statement, Lurkio!

          It’s so corny, I’m amaized!

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  24. JamesArthur says:

    The ‘debate’ on BBC bias was pathetic. The chair clearly had her fingers in the BBC pockets..and it was allowed to be a discussion..not a debate about the over 75’s. They mention that they have had a lot of demands to debate BBC but still cling to their views that the BBC is great….it is a bit like Brexit..the people speak and MPs ignore..truly pathetic

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    • Doublethinker says:

      I don’t know what the debate was but if it involves MPs and the BBC the majority of MPs will always side with the BBC because they are scared to death of it wrecking their career. One of the possible big bonuses of Brexit will be that the ERG MPs have already been attacked by the BBC and it can’t do any worse to them than it already has, and TBP MPs are pledged to get rid of it. So it’s stranglehold over MPs may be fatally weakened by Brexit.

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  25. Fedup2 says:

    I’m sitting in an airport departure lounge in land far far away … there is a tv in the corner with the volume turned down . CNN is the channel of choice . For the last hour ( or more ) there has been only one headline subject . It’s not hard to figure out who it might be , what he did or didn’t say , and what the left ‘reaction’ is .
    Once the attention goes away a bit I’m predicting Obama having a ‘love in ‘ with the squad ….. with Sopel and the rest of the BBC correspondents trailing along ….

    It’s a nice departure lounge though … very posh …

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  26. Guest Who says:

    When Greta’s cross channel dinghy has been swiped by XR, go George.

       22 likes

    • Dover Sentry says:

      I thought it was 5.7m deaths?

      Sorry, I mean 14.6m deaths.

      It could be as high as 37m.

         22 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      There Monbiot now seems to say Chernobyl was 16K deaths
      Raw deaths is a rubbish metric anyway ..should be QALYs

      Previously “George Monbiot called Chernobyl death deniers by senior greens! ”
      cos he said deaths were just 48, and they said it was 980K

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  27. theisland says:

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  28. Sluff says:

    I’ve come over a little bit ‘maxi’.
    On Toady this morning, the BBC finally, finally, had an article on Extinction Rebellion from someone who has been following them
    Surprise, surprise. They are a bunch of left wing nihilistic anarchists who want to bring down this, or possibly also other, governments.

    Regrettably this level of saying it as it is does not extend to the bBBC ‘news’ coverage of the mass disruption they cause, which still consists of a jovial friendly supportive tone.

    If only Extinction Rebellion would demonstrate outside New Broadcasting House. Just think of the reduction in hot air.

       42 likes

    • andyjsnape says:

      there’s an idea, a protest outside eu.bc headquarters

      the beeb would talk about the luvly clothes the protesters are wearing

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    • imaynotalwaysloveyou says:

      As a Bristol resident I am avoiding the centre of town this week since the ER crusties have taken over (with the full blessings of the council and police).

      I don’t want to end up being arrested as the urge to punch them would be too strong.

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      • StewGreen says:

        Take them some homecooked bbq burgers
        telling them as a protest against their protest
        you are eating more meat
        and putting more smoke into Bristol’s air.

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        • Lucy Pevensey says:

          I’d ask them what caused the first five. “Before man was on the earth, what caused mass-extinction?” Could it have been a natural cycle???”

          ENVIRONMENT-Climate-11003427.jpg

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          • vesnadog says:

            Lucy,

            Looking at the above photo of our law abiding “earth people” sunning themselves outside what looks like a castle (they would be used to castles – shooting parties with mummy and daddy and all that on a weekends etc)

            Oh, and what’s the betting that not one them has ever had a 40 hr week job.

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          • Guest Who says:

            #CCBGB Bet the BBC will use its editorial integrity to good effect.

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      • Roland Deschain says:

        I’d be too tempted to set fire to the bloody boat.

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        • G.W.F. says:

          Some have glued themselves to the ground near the boat. Going to the toilet will be a problem. I suggest standing near and splashing water.

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      • Daphne says:

        I also live in Bristol and work very near to the protest site. I noticed whilst walking past the tent village that has sprung up in nearby Castle Park that one tent had “Exeter” painted on it, presumably they brought all their equipment up to Bristol by donkey and cart then? One protestor was writing on the pavement in chalk ” some people have taken time off work to join this protest”. I couldn’t help wondering if this was prompted by large numbers of passers-by telling them to f*ck off and get a job?. The numbers have conspicuously thinned a bit this morning, possibly due to the small amount of rain we had earlier.

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  29. davylars says:

    An article on BBC Radio Newcastle this morning regarding the total public rejection of the draconian attempts by Newcastle, Gateshead and North Tyneside councils to implement Newcastle city centre clean air toll charges.
    Of course our gallant roving reporter saint Anna Foster finds the perfect couple to vox pop on this issue. “We are pensioners who travel by using our free bus passes. We support the charges”….

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    • StewGreen says:

      Whereas the average public feedback was against the plan
      \\ Plans to impose a clean air toll on Tyneside’s roads could be watered down after thousands of people objected.

      Newcastle, North Tyneside and Gateshead councils were considering hitting high-polluting vehicles with a £12.50 daily fee to drive into town.

      They were also considering charging drivers up to £3.40 to cross bridges over the River Tyne.

      The councils are now considering lower fees after a public backlash.

      Half of the 19,000 people who gave feedback were opposed to both options.//

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      • StewGreen says:

        Loony Tweeter @gazza_d
        \\ I can never understand why the publics views are taken into consideration on things like this.
        Of course they won’t like it, it will cost them money and force some to make alternative arrangements.
        THAT’S THE ENTIRE BLOODY POINT. //

        Sensible tweeter
        \\ Of course they are.
        The proposals were deliberately extreme and were never intended to be implemented.
        Just a smokescreen to make a more limited proposal look less scary and claim the “consultation” was genuine.
        We’re not stupid 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ //

        BbcNewcastles Anna Foster just hosted pride

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  30. StewGreen says:

    Locals news at 1pm
    \\ Thanks to @NicDakinMP @OliverHealdUK @MartinVickers for trying to secure the introduction of #E10.
    Still a lot of work to do but this is such an easy win for //
    “it’s a no brainer, it will make the air cleaner and take X billion cars off the road”
    Also a good piece from @MattMcGrathBBC which covers this report and the issue of E10 really well.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49003496
    OPEN COMMENTS

    “No brainer” is a phrase used by people who are so childishly naive
    they can’t see any draw backs
    The real world is Full Colour Complex
    Drax got a £789m SUBSIDY in 2018
    rushing into #FakeGreens magic solutions is a bad thing

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  31. Roland Deschain says:

    This latest from Trump made me laugh.

    “They’re the reason there are directions on a shampoo bottle” 😀

    He’s quoting another senator, but that won’t stop the usual whiners.

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  32. andyjsnape says:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-49014911

    Why should the Government/UK Taxer payer give you anymore money. Make savings yourselves beeb, or maybe the EU could increase its “sponsorship”

       23 likes

  33. Lucy Pevensey says:

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  34. Sluff says:

    It’s you can’t make it up’ time.

    A man died when he put his head out of a moving train and smashed it against a gantry.
    The train company has been fined £1m because the ‘do not put your head out of a moving train’ sign was not prominent enough.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-49016151

    Is anyone personally responsible for anything to do with their own safety these days?

       59 likes

    • Roland Deschain says:

      No. Thinking for yourself is frowned upon now. The authorities don’t like where that might lead.

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      • Mrs Kitty says:

        In a similar vein I recommend this website

        https://darwinawards.com/

        The knowledge that the majority of the participants are no longer in the gene pool comes as a relief and quite often bellows of laughter as you realise just how stupid many humans slouching on the planet are.

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    • andyjsnape says:

      sluff – i thought exactly the same when i read this “report” – trains are going to be modified to compensate for being stupid

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    • Helen Richardson says:

      One word: Darwin.

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  35. Sluff says:

    ‘No brainer fuel change to cut transport CO2’.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49003496

    No brains is certainly what the MPs and the BBC have.

    Bioethanol from Sugar Beet was always a con trick (framed of course by the dear old EU) to continue to subsidise farmers via the CAP who were losing out when EU sugar production from sugar beet subsidies were finally cut to allow in cheaper sugar from more efficient producers in hot countries.

    People such as Prof. Roland Clift pointed out the total energy consumed by the whole bioethanol process was so great that it had if anything ia negative overall CO2 impact. The only positive way to do this is to grow quick growing crops and burn them at a local Combined Heat and Power plant. Local you see to minimise transport energy usage. The whole life cycle saves on CO2 as it can result in a nett replacement of fossil fuels for heat and electricity generation. The more electricity is ‘green’ of course the lower will be the nett saving.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/top-scientist-says-biofuels-are-scam-wtbn9gxjk2t

    Needless to say the ‘scientists’ at the BBC are so enamoured of climate change and anti- private car initiatives they don’t bother to work out whether the initiatives actually achieve anything.

       24 likes

  36. StewGreen says:

    BBC 1 10:35pm The XR PR film
    but
    \\ The former Head of the Metropolitan Police Counter Terrorism Command (SO15) has warned that Extinction Rebellion are an extreme anarchist group and should be treated as such.
    Richard Walton, Senior Fellow at Policy Exchange, says the movement of climate protestors seeks a “subversive agenda” rooted in political extremism, eco-socialism and radical anti-capitalism.
    Formed in 2018, the group is now made up of tens of thousands of followers spread across hundreds of local groups – Mr Walton claims it is a campaign of a pre-existing network of activists called ‘Rising Up!’, the campaigning arm of a company called Compassionate Revolution Ltd, which he believes has origins in the anti-globalisation Occupy Movement.
    He calls for politicians to stop endorsing or legitimising the group, which he says promotes an ideology of ‘post capitalism’ and ‘de-growth’, encourages law-breaking, increases the burden on the UK’s police force and causes serious economic and social disruption.

    Mr Walton even suggests “it is not inconceivable that some on the fringes of the movement might at some point break with organisational discipline and engage in violence” and calls for police to be significantly more proactive in enforcing laws that relate to public protest. //
    https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2019/07/17/former-terror-chief-warns-extinction-rebellion-are-extreme-anarchist-group/

       29 likes

  37. StewGreen says:

    Syrian boy who got the water bottle poured over him.

    That senior school is such a failing school it will close
    and only the primary school remain open.

       19 likes

    • Halifax says:

      I think they (his family ) got over 100k in crowd funding donations, I wonder if benefits (if indeed his family where on benefits) were stopped ???

         21 likes

  38. StewGreen says:

    BREAKING
    Manchester bomber’s brother, Hashem Abedi, arrested for murder after being extradited to the UK from Libya

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  39. StewGreen says:

    Foreign-trained-docs twice as likely to be convicted of a sex offence
    37% of docs are Foreign-trained-docs
    I guess some British-train-docs are foreign born also

    In last 3 years 38 doctors were convicted.. 23 were Foreign-trained-docs

    examples
    – Czech paedo
    – Anush Babu
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7244791/Foreign-doctors-revealed-60-sex-assaults-patients.html

    Hmm convictions might be a poor metric
    Theyll be say 200K doctors
    say 120K will be foreign born
    say 500 of them will be pervs
    say 150 will get caught
    and 125 get off or run away etc.

    and maybe similar numbers for British born ?

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    • vesnadog says:

      “I guess some British-train-docs are foreign born also”

      And some “British-Tran-docs are foreign born also”

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  40. taffman says:

    \\May warns against ‘absolutist’ politics of ‘winners and losers’//
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49015559
    I think she certainly knows all about “losers ” ?
    She nearly lost us our sovereignty to the EU.

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    • Beltane says:

      Sadly taff our sovereignty had already been sold thanks to that immense statesman and heroic politician Eddie Heath, yachtsman extraordinary, who signed us up in 1972 – and, it transpires, was given the equivalent of £1.5m in today’s money as a nice little thankyou.
      Probably went towards ‘Morning Cloud 2’, a boat which housed various gifted and able seamen. Allegedly.
      Obviously it will never be disclosed but wouldn’t it be interesting to know just how many of our current high-profile Europhiles have been in receipt of similar sweeteners? Would GrievousBodilyHarm qualify?

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      • vesnadog says:

        Beltane,

        “Obviously it will never be disclosed but wouldn’t it be interesting to know just how many of our current high-profile Europhiles have been in receipt of similar sweeteners? Would GrievousBodilyHarm qualify?”

        And for those weasel MPs who don’t own a yacht – how about a bit of “Waterboarding”?

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  41. taffman says:

    From the horses mouth in 2016 …………………”What appears clear from the campaign is that the vote to Leave was as much a statement about the country’s national identity, and all that involves, as it was about its economic and political future.”
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36574526
    So us ‘leavers’ knew exactly what we were voting for according to Al Beeb.
    Three years on, we are still in the EU thanks to Mrs Chamberlain.

       19 likes

    • Richard Pinder says:

      I voted for freedom and free trade with a trade surplus on WTO rules that costs nothing, and giving the British people a profit. Not paying £39 Billion of taxpayers money on preserving rule by foreign bureaucrats and making the British people poorer by preserving a trade deficit on Customs Union rules set by those bureaucrats in Brussels. Are Remainers inferior idiots or what?

      A Childlike fear of independence is the main strategy of Remain. The narrative of the Remain camp is “No nation on Earth could possibly survive not having a “Deal” with the superior white European elite in Brussels, look what happened to the Belgian Congo“ “Anyway, the Civil Service is proven to be totally incompetent and unable to even run an Embassy in Washington, let alone an independent country“.

      I also have not heard anything positive about the European Union from Remainers other than “Britain can veto the European Army, if we stay in the EU”. Wonderful, but can we? And didn’t the Tories vote in favour of the EU Army candidate yesterday?

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      • G says:

        Richard,
        ““Britain can veto the European Army, if we stay in the EU”. Wonderful, but can we?” No, if the new female leader has her way. She’s proposing that all the nations leaders can overrule any one State that is out of step with the EU’s communist aspirations.

           15 likes

        • taffman says:

          The EU is heading to be a great dictatorship. Have they not learned the lessons of WW2?

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  42. Guest Who says:

    In the comments it has been noted the bbc are less keen to share key sound bites from their scoop.

    https://order-order.com/2019/07/17/extinction-rebellion-admit-want-permanent-recession/

       14 likes

    • taffman says:

      Guest Who
      ‘Anarchists’ by another name.

         10 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      Interesting graphic.

      Might require a few meetings in Frankie Howerd with the Limps, Greens and Labour given their core audience/supporting bases.

         13 likes

      • vesnadog says:

        As the days roll on I’m getting more convinced that the “mother earth lovers” are quite sick in the head.

        The New EU actress “Ursala undress’s” manifesto is no different than the anarchist manifesto I gave a link too above.

           13 likes

      • Richard Pinder says:

        The only thing I can think of from childhood memory that could mitigate Climate Change would be if David Milliband ordered International Rescue to send Thunderbird Three to stop the Sun from wobbling, stopping Climate Change by stopping the Solar magnetic field from fluctuating.

        Also, “The World is calling for more Europe, the world needs more Europe” sounds like my childhood memory of those white supremacists who opposed decolonisation.

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        • StewGreen says:

          @RP as it is the blue graphic is gibberish
          #1..it isn’t
          #2.. You can’t have more Europe , it’s finite

          Seems nicked from an advertising slogan ?
          The World is calling for more Pepsi,
          the world needs more Pepsi

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  43. Dover Sentry says:

    There is a story doing the rounds that the Tories went for a lengthy PM selection period in the hope that Boris would gaff himself to death.

       13 likes

    • taffman says:

      Dover Sentry
      Some say that The Tories went for a lengthy PM selection period in the hope that it would kick the can down the road for another six months. Most Tory MPs are LimpDems in disguise.

         15 likes

  44. Guest Who says:

    Emily is blameless. Apparently.

       17 likes

  45. taffman says:

    “Tourists facing travel money ‘shock’ this summer”
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49015116
    The Anti-Brexit Bias continues.
    Stay at home, save the planet , save the money and spend it at home.
    More tourists coming here to UK are a boost our economy .
    Sovereignty is a far greater priority than a holiday abroad .
    Simples

       14 likes

  46. Jeff says:

    God’s teeth, the appalling Ian Dale is conducting the Boris leadership debate on Sky News. It’s a shambles.
    Has anyone else noticed he’s choosing an extraordinary number of BAME audience members to ask questions.
    For Christ’s sake this is a husting to become leader of the Conservative Party, not Hackney bloody Council.
    It’s tiresome. It’s predictable…
    And it’s bloody boring.

       30 likes

    • Donbob says:

      It was at the Excel in docklands – try finding anyone not BAME in a ten mile radius !

         4 likes

  47. taffman says:

    Is there a reason why Al Beeb use a prolific amount of Getty Images ?
    Don’t their reporters carry digital cameras?

       11 likes

    • Annunaki says:

      they found a muzzie to put on the front page of the cricket world cup winning team page quick enough

         8 likes

    • JimS says:

      If they took their own pictures then they would reflect reality. By using library pictures they can relect the world of their imagination.

      In this they are helped by the likes of Google, where a search for ‘black couple’ produces black couples and a search for ‘white couple’ produces mixed race and black couples. Seek and we will give you what we want you to find.

         13 likes

  48. fakenewswatcher says:

    Roland Methling, mayor of Rostock, says every German city could take in 20,000 ‘migrants’, according to reports in ‘Die Welt’. Since G has over 2000 cities, it pays to do the math; prepare to have your eyes popped.
    He is one of many nutters thriving under Nutter-in-chief, Merkel.
    The new mayoral speciality seems to be appealing for migrants to enter in, regardless of their unemployment, crime waves, etc.
    If WW 1 & 2 saw the destructive side of Germany, the present is seeing a self-destructive urge.
    Merkel’s buddy, the useless former Defence minister, Ursula v d Leyen, has suddenly popped up at the head of the EU. This spells trouble, big time. There is a widespread and irrational obsession with importing ‘migrants’, and -once again- Germany is taking its own path in Europe. Regrettably, this infection could easily spread…
    Women run the show now, in and from Germany. New defence minister to replace v d L. is Annegret Kramp Karrenbauer.
    These people do not have the qualifications to run the army or, for that matter, the EU. They are buddies of Merkel, that’s what counts.
    There is major weirdness going on in Germany, but -so far- no significant media coverage of this in Britain. I guess our lot haven’t woken up yet. The mere fact that Ms May is being replaced by a man, shows how out of touch we are!
    Even out of the EU, we will ultimately be affected by the madness.
    Once again.

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  49. Guest Who says:

    The BBC has totally lost it.

       14 likes

    • Swelter says:

      Guest…Amongst everything else i find this really disturbing. Can she verify her “been told “allegations ? . Thought not. Its enough now to make unverifiable statements . Standards at the bBBC simply appalling. Its depressing .

         8 likes

      • Guest Who says:

        Without #bbcsourceswhosay the bbc might need to use substantiated facts as news, which would never do.

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        • Not Gwent says:

          I think you just let the cat out of the bag GW.

          The News Rabbit from years ago was the vanguard for today’s face pullers.

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