Start The Week Open Thread 15 July 2019

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  1. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #1

    Off switch utilised a couple of times in protest after switching on at 6.40am. Second time came in Prime Interview slot when Mishal just had to interview a wimmin who landed on the moon in 1969.

    Or not.

    Switched back on during an interview with someone running NASA (a man – not a wimmin – boo, men bad, wimmin good). NASA Man wants to go back to the Moon within five years and then on to Mars.

    Mishal didn’t ask about Anthropogenic Global Warming, Climate Change, Climate Emergency, Climate Crisis, Climate Disaster and Carbon NetZero.

    I wonder why?

    (Question too complicated for a man, needed a wimmin in charge at NASA to answer that sort of question? Mishal not bright enough to ask? Mishal told by a wimmin, Sarah Sands, to not ask that inconvenient question because it might reveal an inconvenient truth?)

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    • Emmanuel Goldstein says:

      I’ve heard there’s a lot of junk and rubbish that’s been left on the moon from the earlier visits so it’s a no brainer that we should send up a couple of wimmin next to tidy up a bit.

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  2. andyjsnape says:

    I’m unable to find this website biasedbbc.org when searching google, this has been an ongoing problem for a few days. If you search for this website via yahoo.co.uk – the website does show

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    • StewGreen says:

      I don’t see such a problem from here
      Google is not hiding BiasedBBC

      Of course your own Google results are customised based on what you searched before
      So if you ended up on The Canary page many times before
      It will push you there again.

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      • Will Jones says:

        Hi Stew: I know that people making corrections on this site are annoying, but I feel compelled to point out a problem with your post.

        You should have said “Google is not hiding BiasedBBC…….Yet.

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    • Deborah says:

      I google ‘biased bbc’ to find the site. It used (until a year or two ago) come up when I just typed ‘bia…’ now I have to type in the whole word ‘biased’ and it comes up as about the 4th suggestion.

      I would bookmark if I were you Andy, I think this is only going to get worse.

      The suggestions I get now on Youtube tend to be my music preferences and many of my political sites that used to be recommended have disappeared. I have now started asking for notifications but the number that appear drive me mad.

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  3. Sluff says:

    Excruciating on Toady this morning.
    Between about 0740 and 0750 we had continuous anti Trump pro multicultural pro mass immigration garbage, including an anti Trump polemic even on Thought for the Day.
    Needless to say, Mischal ‘useless’ Hussein was her normal impartial self. Not.

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  4. Roland Deschain says:

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    As the BBC does precisely that. But is too blinded by TDS to realise as they put it in the top spot of their news page.

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  5. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #2

    President Trump is a thoughtless oaf. That’s not the BBC saying that, it is me writing that. He really should either get off Twitter or think more and for much longer before he Tweets.

    He was popular with BAME Americans who helped him win the Presidency in 2016. In return, he helped find them more jobs and better jobs. He has now damaged his standing in some key electoral States, like Florida. There will be plenty who believe what the Democrats say about ‘that Tweet’ and may vote accordingly in 2020.

    The BBC are, of course, saying “President Trump is racist” and are busy helping others say “He is a racist.”

    Can someone on here put up that first Tweet (all of it) on this web-site. Maybe pin it to the top of a Thread? I suspect that yesterday and today the BBC have been deliberately omitting part of it while running it – sometimes as first item – in News bulletins.

    I would like to know if there is a ‘missing’ sentence.

    I have heard that it’s down there, at the end of the original Tweet, BBC.

    Care to read it out on air, BBC?

    No, I thought not.

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      I think these are what you’re after.

      But I’d have to disagree. He’s far from a thoughtless oaf. He thinks these things through very strategically. The Democrats have been trying to distance themselves from these four, as they are extreme and very off putting to many potential Democrat voters. Remember Nancy Pelosi attacked them recently and, surprise surprise, was called a racist. Now the Democrats have been forced to show these ladies as the face of the party. Trump evidently considers that voters lost by the Democrats will outweigh any he has alienated.

      Note he’s never mentioned any names, and also said they should come back. Who he is referring to has simply been assumed.

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      • JamesArthur says:

        Good point – it has been assumed who he was talking about…and he did say come back….all of which gets dropped from the BBC..and why Boris and Hunt even commented on it if they didn’t have the real facts is a poor sign..

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        • Up2snuff says:

          RD & JA, I think you are both wrong. President Trump could have tweeted in a way that made ‘his point’, didn’t alienate any swing or Republican voters and could not be edited by the hostile MSM.

          The president is now running the risk of losing key or swing BAME States (eg. Florida) and putting his core vote at risk in other key or swing States like Ohio.

          Bad move. Very bad move. Bad, bad, bad …. greatly bad.

          But thanks for putting up the whole two Tweets, RD. Were they made late at night or in the wee small hours?

          Apparently, according to BBC R4 6pm News today (18th July), President Trump has gone even more for broke at a campaign event last night and he’s having to apologise for winding up some extreme elements chanting ‘Send her back’ in relation to Ilhan Omar.

          This could be the start of President Trump losing to someone who should not be getting the Democratic nomination. Quite crazy to put so much at risk – at this stage – for no real gain. He needs to re-inforce his vote – with the key successes he has had – not weaken it. His campaign team will have their heads in their hands.

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  6. Lucy Pevensey says:

    I’ll take the thoughtless oaf for PM thank you.

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  7. pugnazious says:

    The BBC are a brilliant news organisation that brings us not just hard news and boring old facts but a fully rounded, thought-out, context packed interpretation of the world that enriches and informs us.

    Not only were we educated this morning about the racist white supremacy of the US President but the BBC opened our eyes to the fawning lap-dog that is Boris Johnson who seems totally in awe of the President and totally unwilling to criticise him…oh he may have said something critical about Trump’s ‘racism’ but you know he hopes, Norman Smith inteprets for us, that the Prez just won’t notice his little treacherous slip in the chorus of all the other world leaders out to condemn Trump….Boris doesn’t really mean it…after all, as the Guardian reports, as the BBC tells us, he once said Islam was a brake on progress in the Muslim world….what an Islamophobe! So like Trump! So wrong! So bad!

    Hmmm…the Guardian…

    Boris Johnson claimed Islam put Muslim world ‘centuries behind’

    ‘Anger as 2007 essay lamenting ‘no spread of democracy’ in Islamic world comes to light

    Writing about the rise of the religion in an appendix added to a later edition of The Dream of Rome, his 2006 book about the Roman empire, Johnson said there was something about Islam that hindered development in parts of the globe and, as a result, “Muslim grievance” was a factor in virtually every conflict.’

    Trouble is Boris isn’t wrong is he? How do we know? Because so many Muslims tell us it is true themselves.

    Pervez Hoodbhoy is professor of nuclear and high-energy physics at Quaid-e-Azam University, Islamabad. This article is based on a speech delivered at the Center for Inquiry International conference in Atlanta, Georgia, 2001….

    ‘In the twelfth century Muslim orthodoxy reawakened, spearheaded by the cleric Imam Al-Ghazali. Al-Ghazali championed revelation over reason, predestination over free will. He refuted the possibility of relating cause to effect, teaching that man cannot know or predict what will happen; God alone can. He damned mathematics as against Islam, an intoxicant of the mind that weakened faith.

    Islam choked in the vicelike grip of orthodoxy.

    It was the end of tolerance, intellect, and science in the Muslim world. The last great Muslim thinker, Abd- al Rahman ibn Khaldun, belonged to the 14th century.

    For Muslims, it is time to stop wallowing in self-pity: Muslims are not helpless victims of conspiracies hatched by an all-powerful, malicious West. The fact is that the decline of Islamic greatness took place long before the age of mercantile imperialism. The causes were essentially internal. Therefore Muslims must introspect, and ask what went wrong.’

    Here’s the BBC’s favourite awkward squad Muslim, Mehdi Hasan…

    ‘He states that there are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world….and between them they have a total of 10 Nobel prizes. The Jews, with a population of 12 million have 150 Nobel prizes. All 6 Jewish Universities are in the top 20 in a world ranking. There are no Muslim universities in the top 200.

    He goes on to say:

    We wonder why we are losing battles, we are not being out fought, we are being out thought.
    We are not under armed, we are undereducated.
    We have lost the ability to think, to acquire knowledge, to advance intellectually and then we wonder why our community is in such decay.’

    Here’s an article from the racist and islamophobic Economist…

    Self-doomed to failure

    An unsparing new report by Arab scholars explains why their region lags behind so much of the world

    The barrier to better Arab performance is not a lack of resources, concludes the report, but the lamentable shortage of three essentials: freedom, knowledge and womanpower. Not having enough of these amounts to what the authors call the region’s three “deficits”. It is these deficits, they argue, that hold the frustrated Arabs back from reaching their potential—and allow the rest of the world both to despise and to fear a deadly combination of wealth and backwardness.

    The most delicate issue of all, again carefully skirted by the authors of the report, is the part that Islam plays in delaying and impeding the Arab world’s advance towards the ever-receding renaissance that its intellectuals crave. One of the report’s signed articles explains Islam’s support for justice, peace, tolerance, equilibrium and all good things besides. But most secularists believe that the pervasive Islamisation of society, which in several Arab countries has largely replaced the frightening militancy of the 1980s and early 1990s, has played a significant part in stifling constructive Arab thought.

    [Islam]….discouraging critical thought and innovation and helping to produce a great army of young Arabs, jobless, unskilled and embittered, cut off from changing their own societies by democratic means. Islam at least offers them a little self-respect. With so many paths closed to them, some are now turning their dangerous anger on the western world.’

    Maybe Hassan Hassan is an islamophobe as well for pointing out the obvious…

    ‘The decline of Islamic scientific thought
    Don’t blame it on al-Ghazali
    Academics are correct in pinpointing the exact period in which Muslims began turning away from scientific innovation – the 11th century – but in Abu Hamid Al Ghazali they have identified the wrong person. By Hassan Hassan

    Today, the contribution of the contemporary Muslim world to science is in a dismal state. India and Spain each produces more scientific literature than all of the Muslim countries combined. The 57 states’ contribution to science globally amounts to no more than 1 per cent and is generally of lower quality.

    The question of what went wrong is particularly relevant now as the role of religion in the Middle East is again being pushed to the fore in the wake of the Arab Spring and the consequent rise of Islamists.
    Academics are correct in pinpointing the exact period in which Muslims began turning away from scientific innovation – the 11th century – but they have identified the wrong person. Abu Ali al-Hassan al-Tusi (1018–1092), better known as Nizam al-Mulk, the grand vizier of the Seljuq dynasty, was in fact the driving force.

    Nizam al-Mulk had created a system of education known as “Nizamiyah” that focused on religious studies at the expense of independent inquiry.
    Those in the contemporary Muslim world that disdain innovation share a distinct quality with the Nizamiyya colleges: being sectarian who obsess about cleansing Islam of any newfangled practices.

    There is no one reason for the decline of Islamic scientific inquiry. But it is important to highlight the colossal role the Nizamiyya colleges played in impeding progress, as the role of Islam is yet again under scrutiny and religious intolerance rising to the surface.’

    Look around the world and see which are the worst countries, the least developed, the least progressive….either Muslim or socialist….whcih brings us full circle back to Trump and the Four Riders of the Apocalypse who want to wreak disaster upon the West, America in particular of course, using these two ideologies as their weapons of choice.

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    • JamesArthur says:

      Pug
      anyone see Jonny Ball on Piers Morgan this morning – apparently he was called a racist for saying the truth about maths and Islam at a recent presentation..but he at least is fighting back and not apologising

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  8. theisland says:

    DEFENCE

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    • Dystopian says:

      “…and what is there for defence can also be used for attack”.

      Thanks theisland certainly worth a listen.

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  9. Foscari says:

    Peter Hitchens has said that the BBC should be able to have
    presenters and reporters with opinions and let the interviewee
    answer them really personally . It would make good TV and Radio.
    Well it looks like to me that BIG BROTHER at the BBC has sent out
    a directive informing his or her or it’s editors that is now the BBC’S
    policy to call Donald Trump a RACIST.
    So be it. Presenters such as the liberal bigots Jo Coburn and
    Emily Maitliss have never been able to hide their bigotry. Let
    them and the rest take the full force of those they are interviewing.
    We saw a bit of it from Rod Liddle on Newsnight last night. I
    reiterate, it makes for riveting television.
    If the BBC has decided to come completely out of the closet and
    have become the left wing converse of Fox News in the USA ,that’s
    fine . But of course they will have to forgo their license fee for this.
    Well BIG BROTHER. Be you a he, a she, or an it, is it worth it?

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    • Not Gwent says:

      “they will have to forgo their license fee”

      This makes perfect sense.

      State Broadcaster won’t agree.

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  10. andyjsnape says:

    “Recorded drug deaths in Scotland highest in EU”

    why bother mentioning the EU at the end?? and whats the EU got to do with it

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    • Not Gwent says:

      Was this a survey restricted to the EU?

      Has someone popped up yet to blame Tory cuts?

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    • Emmanuel Goldstein says:

      What’s it got to do with EU.

      (Sorry Andy, it seemed funny at the time)

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  11. Fedup2 says:

    Is that the reason stabbing killings are dropping in Scotland ? The same group is on drugs ?

    The left will use it as another reason for legalising drugs …..

    I don’t care if people make a ‘lifestyle ‘ choice of taking illegal drugs – that’s personal choice for which the individual is responsible – including the risk -but I don’t like the innocent being harmed or taxpayers having to pick up the tab .

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    • Dystopian says:

      Do the statistics for “drug deaths” include overdose from legally obtained drugs? Do they include deaths at the hands of incompetent health workers?

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    • JamesArthur says:

      Fed up
      yes that was my smile this morning – a few weeks ago the BBC was banging on about the success of Scotland with knife crime..now we know why – they are all to doped up to stab each other…so much for the success of making knife crime into a public health emergency – if it causes drug taking to become one..

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  12. Sluff says:

    On the subjects of deaths and statistics, here are a couple which will be decidedly unwelcome to the Libtards in the BBC ‘newsroom’.
    1. The islamophobic, anti EU, unequal, racist, UK presided over by the evil Tories has….errr….the fourth lowest suicide rate in the EU. Among other things between a half and a third of that of EU friendly …..Belgium!
    https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/DDN-20180716-1
    2. A deep dive statistical survey from the US showed that suicide rates among transgender people are very high and INCREASE as they go further through gender re-assignment.
    https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf

    Distinctly inconvenient for the Guardianista ‘journalists’ at our impartial state broadcaster.

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    • Lefty Wright says:

      Sluff
      This is the kind of thing that happens when politics overrules common sense and Mother Nature is given the two finger salute.

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    • Helen Richardson says:

      “the fourth lowest suicide rate in the EU”

      I can’t find specific references but I’m pretty sure that we have been told on numerous occasions that we are one of the unhappiest countries in the world. And there we are, down there with that easy-going Mediterranean lot.

      The EU doesn’t seem to be spreading much joy, does it?

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      • G says:

        Helen,
        Suicide rate?
        Culprit No. 1. Our Marxist State Broadcaster pumping out its condemnation of practically everything minute by minute. ‘Critical Theory’ maximised.

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    • Navets says:

      Sluff

      More disturbing reads about the subject and how censorship of the “wrong” views is prevalent:

      https://www.transgendertrend.com/new-study-on-rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria/

      https://www.rt.com/uk/418387-reverse-transgender-research-shut/

      There’s a whole lot more of this out there as well. Very disturbing and a danger to the young and vulnerable people whose interests are purportedly being looked after by the transactivists. Another case of ideas being perceived as more important than real people.

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  13. G says:

    I’m rapidly coming to the conclusion that the sooner we get to the bottom of this Marxist/islamist conspiracy in the West to destroy everything proven, sensible and logical, the better. That can only come about by sedition followed by revolution. Serious times need serious action. Things changing so quickly (sorry, ‘deteriorating’) renders the ballot box redundant. In the UK the 2016 Referendum proved that fact so, what’s good for the Government in ignoring the ballot box is good for us all. The quicker we hit rock bottom, the quicker we can recover. I’ll probably not be around to witness the civil unrest that will come after, probably some minor incident triggering it. Unless of course, nothing changes and I’ll be led out of my home in my eighties along with others to a local sports ground to be beheaded by young bearded men shouting, ‘Alluha Akbar’ on each beheading.

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    • Old Goat says:

      There’ll be no “sedition followed by revolution”, in the Former UK – they don’t do that sort of thing, any more. Life is far too comfortable, and the masses are far too blinkered and lost in their ipads, fast food, sport and televisions to indulge in any of that

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  14. andyjsnape says:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48942411
    Tommy Robinson “report” by the beeb

    Goes onto say “A small crowd” surrounds etc etc

    If this report showed the same amount people protesting for example against Pres.Trump – the report might read massive turn out 🙂 Many times as the beeb used a different angle to portray an illusion of many in the crowd!

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    • Despairada says:

      Is there any news about Tommy being moved from Belmarsh? I read somewhere that low risk prisoners are only held there for a short time pending appraisal for which prison and category is most suitable.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        If he’s moved –
        it will be to a Muslim prison ( ain’t they all ?)
        It will be difficult to travel to
        Away from the London Bubble
        Have a history of ‘accidents ‘
        Understaffed
        A long nine weeks but not out of sight out of mind ….

        I hope some non snowflake lawyer gets to appeal….

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        • theisland says:

          According to @OzraeliAvi legal team visit planned for Wednesday to discuss his appeal.

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          • StewGreen says:

            The BBC London historian
            continues to show that the SocialistJustice Warrior people have compassion and the moral high ground
            ..NOT ..just the normal nasty sneering and derogatory attacks.

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  15. Lucy Pevensey says:

    Fedup2, this one is for you

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Ha Thanks Lucy – I was worried what this character was going to do but he did hit a 1 to 5 hit rate for getting popcorn was where is was meant to go …. why film someone eating popcorn ? Is there a website – sponsored by butterkist ?

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  16. R P McMurphy says:

    That violent husband beating police cautioned labour MP Sarah Champion now on Politics Today attacking Donald, if fact no body is defending or putting his case. And no one any where on the MSN is exposing the “terrible fours” racist anti-semetic tweets, comments anywhere.

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    • G says:

      RPMc,
      Not to mention the outrageous support for Isis et al. Oh! hang on, sorry, our State Broadaster supports Isis (as a minority group, of course) as well.

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  17. G says:

    I’m beginning to understand what previous invaded felt like. At least this time, there is comparatively little rape and pillage, so far…….We can’t bank of that for the future though.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasions_of_the_British_Isles

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    • Helen Richardson says:

      “there is comparatively little rape and pillage”

      You sure about that G?

      Admittedly, the rape and pillage are separated somewhat. Rape in Rotherham, and pillage whenever the police ‘dis’ a drug dealer. It’s probably difficult, if not impossible, to rape someone and carry a 60″ flat screen TV at the same time.

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      • G says:

        Helen,
        “Comparatively” as in previous invasions.

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        • Helen Richardson says:

          Yes, I can read, but I’d say that 1510 (latest figure) rape victims, and even more actual crimes in a place that isn’t even a city, is pretty good going, even in an historical context.

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          • StewGreen says:

            Well it would help if the media would context it
            … but theyd rather ignore it.
            If it affected each victim for one year then over 20:years the 1,510 would be 75 per year
            but Im guessing the ordeal often went on for 3 or 5 years

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          • G says:

            Please don’t………..

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  18. pugnazious says:

    BBC banging on again about the unfairness that Sky gets to broadcast the cricket and ‘terrestrial’ TV doesn’t….so quaint they don’t say what they mean…the BBC doesn’t get it…laughed long and hard when Sky gave the final to C4….BBC must have been gutted. Such a sense of entitlement and greed.

    Apparently, I’ve just heard, ‘Some people think that is the real issue’…what the real issue about the cricket? Only in the BBC’s own little mind.

    What of those people, some people, who couldn’t watch the live final on C4 bcause they don’t have a BBC TV licence? Why do they need one of those to watch a match on C4? So unfair…that is the real issue here if anything.

    Good though that the BBC wastes that licence fee trying to pressurise the government to hand it the cricket and any other sporting moment….surely, by that logic, I should be able to go to see any nationally significant sporting event free of charge as its cultural resonance impacts me and my life in so many ways…keeping me fit, interested in the world and in the loop socially as I’m able to enjoy and talk about these magnificent sporting events with my new sports-mad friends that I’ve made.

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    • WildWomanOfThe Woods says:

      Should the BBC have dropped the Wimbledon final then? Just wondering. They usually put something escapist on BBC2 for sport refugees (this year it was Call Me Madam with Ethel Merman, Donald O’Connor and a terrific Irving Berlin score, they don’t make ’em like that any more). Swapping that for cricket really wouldn’t go down that well with Middle England you know!

      There’s an Ashes series ahead. I’ll bet that whatever’s happened by the end of it, and especially if England win back the urn, the World Cup will be reduced to a footnote to the summer. After all, it’s real cricket, not a limited overs novelty knockabout.

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  19. Fedup2 says:

    It’s a shame that the daily express bit of rod Liddle on newsnight is only 39 seconds long . I’d like to see it all. I grew up watching News night ( anorak ) but it lost its way long ago and should be replaced by repeats of the excellent ‘homes under the hammer “ where capitalist pigs exploit the proletariat by making homes for them and then making them pay to occupy them .
    When the glorious revolution comes we will grow a forest of money trees from which all will take what they need .

    For the many not the few , no ifs no buts , strong and stable , brexit means brexit , british jobs for british workers ,this is not a time for sound bites,
    “We’re alright , we’er Alright “

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    • Old Goat says:

      Is that Kinnock before, or after he fell into the North Sea?

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Goat – yes I was wondering whether to include the Kinnock one but I remember watching it live and thinking -.no – don’t do that if you want to win and fortunately he didn’t. ….
        But his family has done well out of the ReichEU

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      • Halifax says:

        Wasn’t it Brighton……

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    • StewGreen says:

      What’s Newnight matter no one watches it ?

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  20. Jeff says:

    There’s going to stacks on the box this week about the astonishing events of fifty years ago, the moon landing. I remember it well and it got me thinking…

    I know that people of a certain vintage often adopt the rose tinted spectacles, but…our country seemed much more at ease with itself then.
    I don’t recall the the divisions in society we see today. People weren’t perennially offended. If you disagreed with someone you weren’t automatically called a racist, a bigot, or a phobe of some sort.
    We didn’t have masked lefties screaming “Nazi” at anyone they disliked…and that’s almost everyone other than Islamist terrorists and Comrade Corbyn.
    We didn’t have the stabbings, the shootings or the acid attacks. I don’t think we could even have imagined such atrocities.
    Gangs of Muslim child rapists that are protected from prosecution by the media, the police and politicians, would have been beyond our understanding. It’s insane.
    I remember that lovely old Roger Miller song that celebrated how peaceful London was, with the line “Bobbies on bicycles, two by two.” What’s happened?
    In those days we looked askance at violent crime in America and were horrified at the state control of people in Russia and East Germany. Now we’ve got both.
    We now seem to be a nation at war with itself. We’re an angry, unhappy and disconnected people.
    Perhaps it’s too easy to point the finger, but I honestly believe that multi-culturalism was deliberately designed to cause the mayhem it has so clearly inflicted.

    I took a nostalgic ramble around my old childhood manor the other day. I remembered the sunny Sunday on the day of the moon landing and me and my mates playing cricket on a small patch of green near our flats. The long summer holidays had begun and the world seemed idyllic.
    You couldn’t play cricket there now, they’ve just built a massive great mosque on the site. And my dad’s old pub is now a Halal butcher.
    I didn’t stay long…

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Jeff ah yes – I remember being 9 and watching . In my memory it was live but late at night…

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      • Jeff says:

        The Krays were career criminals and although violent scum were at least semi organised scum.
        The half witted vermin stabbing each other on a daily basis have brought third world tribal warfare to our streets.
        We’ve imported poverty, stupidity and a level of brute violence unheard of our once beautiful country.

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      • Demon says:

        Fedup2 – we went to Vienna thatyear. I saw the blast off in school in England, the early morning replay of the walking on the moon in Bavaria and the splash down in Austria.

        Jeff, I remember things were largely better, especially as a child when the teachers weren’t trying to politically indoctrinate you from 5 years old. Although we did have a local kiddie fiddler, we felt much safer playing football, cricket or just walking miles when we were kids.

        However, when Ted Heath won in 1970 a TU official said on television that “we will now do whatever we can to get rid of them”. Seems little now but the unions tried to get Heath out from his election point until they succeeded in 1974. Yes he lied to us, but the unions wereonly objecting to the fact that he was a Conservative. They got so much into the habit that they ultimitaely did the same to their own Callaghan government.

        When Thatcher was elected they started name calling from day 1 and were accusing her basically of being a fascist, racist, extreme right-winger etc. It’s got worse ever since, They even called Major and Cameron right-wingers!

        They were doing the same in the USA at the same time. After the criminal Nixon, we had the idiot Ford who was hit on the head too often from his football days. Then Reagan was an idiot, and then a right-wing extremist who wanted war with the USSR. The Bushes were idiots too, as is Trump (amongst all his other crimes).

        All the hate and lies started from the left and they’ve got worse and have become terroristically violent.

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    • WildWomanOfThe Woods says:

      Ah, 1969! The moon landings! the Stones free gig in Hyde Park! The Met get around doing something about gang violence, knife and gun crime in East London (the Krays finally rounded up, convicted and sent down)!

      And I bet there wasn’t a single brown face in the crowd throwing rocks, iron bars and spiked sticks at peaceful civil rights marchers at Burntollet Bridge and subsequently in Derry. And every single one of them a self-declared Christian.

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      • BRISSLES says:

        Jeff… Yep I was 21 at the time and remember vividly watching the landing in grainy black and white, while Sinatra was played in the background singing Fly Me To The Moon ! The 60’s can be picked over negatively -mainly by those who weren’t even born or too young to remember ! but at least I have memories of remembering the shooting of both the Kennedy’s, the joy of winning the World Cup, my first Mary Quant mini skirt, paying 10 shillings (50p) to see the Beatles at Margate Winter Gardens, and again yep ! WWW no diversity to deal with or even bother about, no mobile phones and no social media to f…k things up.

        So, was it a happy time ? you betcha, I had the best of times.

           16 likes

        • Jeff says:

          Mary Quant minis…Now you’ve started something!
          I look back on those days as being cheerful and optimistic. No period is ever perfect, but I reckon it was better than most.

             5 likes

    • Despairada says:

      Wasn’t there ‘only’ about 100,000 members of that peaceful cult in the 60s, compared with about 4 million now? Imagine if the number had stabilised at the 60s level.

         4 likes

  21. Despairada says:

    OK not beeb bias but I wonder why this petition has so few signatories?

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/267140

    I’m the only 1 in my area!

       7 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      I wouldn’t sign it
      He quotes the First Amendment as
      “Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech”

      The Actual quote is
      “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

      In reality freedom of expression is limited
      – Illegal to incite violence
      – Illegal to deal with child porn
      etc.

         6 likes

      • Fedup2 says:

        I won’t sign any of that nonsense again as it makes Westminster think it is legitimate when it isn’t .

           8 likes

      • Despairada says:

        Yes, I suppose I should have thought harder about that.

           3 likes

  22. StewGreen says:

    Vine has on Felix the ethnic-African social worker Sheffield University threw out for quoting anti-gay parts of the bible on his Facebook page
    .. who has just won the case in high court against the university.
    Vine is not sure what to say
    Peter Tatchell is now on saying it’s a free speech thing.

       17 likes

    • JimS says:

      I turned off Vine right at the start when he asked us “are you from an ethnic minority in Britain and have been told ‘to go home’?”

      For a start President Trump didn’t tell anyone ‘to go home’, rather he said they should return to fix the problems ‘back home’ and then return to ‘show us how it is done’. So Trump’s tweet wasn’t a general ‘go back home’ but a request that certain ‘know-it-all’ individuals should stop complaining about the USA until such time that they could show that they were competent. Alihibai-Brown and Lammy come in the same class.

      Never mind that the story was based on ‘fake news’, Vine is out to stir up hate. Lots of us encounter people that upset us, we ignore it, we move on. But Vine wants us to pick at the wound, to inflame and spread the infection.

      I caught the end of the social worker item. Ditto hate spreading. Logically anyone who is of a particular sex, race, religion, political or sporting persuasion should never do social work – they might have to deal with someone outside their demographic.

      The same rules should apply to impartial BBC presenters!

         16 likes

  23. JamesArthur says:

    R4 now discussing recent report from Army
    Why does the BBC feel the need to keep repeating that all the issues are because the Army is run by white middle aged men?
    I cannot imagine them saying are all the issues with Muslim rape gangs because Mosques are run by Old black men or Old Muslim men?
    Why is this obvious hypocrisy allowed to continue

       31 likes

    • G says:

      Fed,
      Imagine: We are at war and the Army are out there trying to save our necks –
      ‘Why does the BBC feel the need to keep repeating that all the officers and men of rank on the front line are all white middle aged men….’
      Useful. Fifth Columnists.

         20 likes

      • Fedup2 says:

        G
        It’s the kind of idle nonsense airheads talk about when they see no prospect of being directly threatened . Admittedly the style of warfare seen in the 20th c is unlikely ( won’t bother with the reasons )
        But a cyber war turning off the power /water supply would soon see a need for military intervention because a majority snowflake police consisting of community coherence officers ain’t gonna last long ….

           10 likes

        • G says:

          Fed,
          Crazy.
          In the last World War we were confronted by a highly competent and efficient war machine, highly organised (provided their leader kept out of day-to-day decision making!) and driven. On this current ongoing invasion, we are confronted by a force which is half moron and half savage albeit both are driven by big business/media and the Globalists as their tools, and we cannot deal with it? Decisively. The moral fibre in the leadership is just not there any more. In that I refer to the likely incumbent of No.10 and his response to President Trumps attack on the “Squad”. This alone, indicates that Johnston cannot be trusted in any way.

             14 likes

    • digg says:

      This has all the hallmarks of the beginning of a BBC Flank Attack. Another “how nasty the army are” is out there re sex pests now.

      The BBC have never liked the Military (along with their idol Soros) and I can bet these are just the opening shots in a running derogatory campaign… watch this space!

      I am going to save them as a list and batter the BBC with it relentlessly. wherever I can.

      There are many of us out there who see through their nasty devious lying ways and I believe we should relentlessly confront them wherever we can, here, social media, BBC complaints Dept etc. en-mass to weaken their foul “this is what you need to think” propaganda.

      If it works for them it should work for us.

         7 likes

  24. Fedup2 says:

    Although the POTUS comment about the democrat girls is domestic – it’s good to see him repeating the comment on Twitter again today . Keeps putting the cat amongst the Twitters .

    The “ upset “ threshold is very low these days .

       23 likes

  25. Fedup2 says:

    Just watched the Rod Liddle ambush by the newsnight mouthpiece . 10 minutes on YouTube . She diverted the discussion about brexit by going for him on a race issue .

    A Soros mouthpiece was there allowing Maitlis to do his work for him .

    Liddle let himself down by being less than coherent is expressing himself – which is a shame as he let the 17.4 million and more down .

    Glad I don’t bother with newsnight or any thing with that dreadful woman in it …or pay her wages .

       19 likes

  26. StewGreen says:

    Iran

       8 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      Iran2 BBC makes deal to hold back Farsi language programming
      \\ The BBC has agreed to conditions set by the Islamic Republic of Iran to not share reporting materials it gathers in Iran with its Persian-language channel, BBC Persian, an internal email obtained by HuffPost reveals.//
      https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/bbc-persian-iran-coverage-blackout_n_5d2d033be4b04927c1c89a1b

         6 likes

      • pugnazious says:

        Stew…answers the question yesterday as to why the BBC suddenly got access to Iran…though it doesn’t answer why the BBC think it appropriate to go there….

        ‘A deal to not share reporting from Iran on BBC Persian has angered staffers who see it as complicity with a government that imprisons, tortures and kills journalists.’

        This also confirms why Nazanin Zaghari Ratcliffe is in an Iranian prison…she worked for the BBC’s project ZigZag which recruited Iranians to send information about events in Iran, which the Iranian government didn’t want aired, back to the BBC which then broadcast those events back into Iran on Persian TV sidestepping Iranian security.
        We knew this already as the BBC were boasting about it…but nice to see the mask slipping in the MSM…maybe the truth about why NZR is in prison will eventually filter out…and the BBC held accountable and not old Boris who is taking all the flak for speaking the truth…a very inconvenient truth for the BBC.

        It also makes the BBC a liar as it told us that the Iranians hadn’t restricted what they can report at all…clearly not true.

        From the BBC itself boasting of its effect on Iranian society and politics in 2009…

        ‘ BBC Persian TV and Voice of America carry regular reports  of rape, torture and murder against opponents of the regime. Neda was just the  start.  

        So, what happened to change everything? 

        “It’s the pictures, stupid. The impact of TV news lies in the pictures. Doesn’t matter if it’s Iran, or wherever. Same story.”
        Enayat Fani is the presenter of BBC  Persian TV’s Hardtalk and Politics Show programs and (with Sadegh Saba) the  channel’s most experienced analyst. He remembers the 1979 Revolution. He was  there. His pithy and pointed response was still the most eloquent if simplistic
         explanation of why western TV news channels in Persian have had a significant  impact in this most tumultuous year in Iran. ‘

           4 likes

        • G says:

          Pug,
          “….though it doesn’t answer why the BBC think it appropriate to go there….”. All to do with using BBC resources in support of finding any evidence that will assist the Democrats in impeaching the POTUS. Simples.

             3 likes

        • pugnazious says:

          Follow Yashar — or send him a tip — on Twitter:@yashar

          Lol…tweeted the HuffPo journo who wrote that article to see if can encourage him to investigate NZR, project ZigZag and the BBC connection to the Iranian protests. He’s a yank so any loyalty or fraternal journalistic feelings to the BBC may be low as his latest may indicate…though he is freelance.

          Just doing my bit to smash the BBC and its smug entitled dominance.

             3 likes

  27. StewGreen says:

    AOC, Ilhan Omar repeatedly REFUSE to condemn Antifa attack on ICE! | Keean Bexte

    and another

       17 likes

    • JamesArthur says:

      Very telling. Either they are ignorant or complicit but they all seem really arrogant …

         7 likes

  28. Fedup2 says:

    In other news

    The Muslim terrorist mass murderers ( in BBC speak ‘local men ) have been ruled ‘lawfully killed ‘ by the brave cops who took them on. Tea and Medals all round boys .

    Perhaps the BBC will put the footage up of them being shot again – always cheers me up .. including the bit where the firearms cops forgot to put the handbrake on the Range Rover ….

    Which snowflake is going to be the first one to say ‘whitewash ‘ and the local men should have been taken alive so they could change their ways ….. ‘and face justice ‘ . In my view a piece of high speed metal placed in their head seems very humane for what they did …

    As an addition – the BBC online report describes the event but not the motivation – really can’t think why – bias by omission for the favourite BBC ‘religion ‘.

       27 likes

  29. pugnazious says:

    Oh dear god…the Luvvies are on the loose. Kate Winslet, worth a cool £35 million, says she would be disgusted to have found her ancestors were wealthy….presumably then she finds her children disgusting as they come from uber-rich parents, and are they, the children, full of self-loathing and guilt?

    ‘ ‘I would have been upset and disgusted if I had come from wealth or royalty. ‘There was never any money in our family, but I always felt very fortunate because I came from a lovely, wonderful, loving family. My roots are socialist, working class and, in a funny way, my parents frowned upon the wealthy.’

    She also claims that because her great, great grandfather came here from Sweden, in 1884, she is therefore an immigrant herself…..ah so Trump is right…even though you were born here you don’t belong….why not go back home to Sweden and spout your socialist rubbish there?

    Bonkers woman and the BBC of course gives her a platform to indulge herself and her socialist fantasies on ‘Who Do You Think You Are? ‘….and it must be nice to just be able to ring up the BBC and say you’d like to have a programme made just for you about you and the BBC agrees to do it…talk about privilege…

    ‘The actress contacted the BBC’s Who Do You Think You Are? programme and asked to be featured because she wanted to know more about her heritage.’

       25 likes

    • JamesArthur says:

      What she couldn’t afford a genealogist? Yep bonkers and BBC indulge

         11 likes

    • Helen Richardson says:

      “My roots are socialist, working class and, in a funny way, my parents frowned upon the wealthy.”

      From Wiki: “Her mother worked as a nanny and waitress, and her father, a struggling actor, took labouring jobs to support the family. Her maternal grandparents were both actors and ran the Reading Repertory Theatre Company. Winslet has two sisters, Anna and Beth, both of whom are actresses, and a younger brother, Joss. The family had limited financial means; they lived on free meal benefits and were supported by a charity named the Actor’s Charitable Trust.”

      Well I suppose the “working class” bit is right if it is defined by simple shortage of cash, but perhaps the father should have got himself a proper job from the outset. I have difficulty seeing struggling actors as horny-handed sons of toil.

      Does she say which charity is going to benefit from her £35m in order to protect her kids from similar angst?

      Sorry, deary, but as an actress reality and commonsense are not really your thing. Stick to what you do best but otherwise shut-up, there’s a good girl. And pass the message on.

         8 likes

  30. StewGreen says:

    Just in one UK region 183 interceptions of forced marriage last year
    Yet Saturdays Yorkshire Post headline is invisible to Twitter and almost to Google
    https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/children-as-young-as-13-saved-from-clutches-of-forced-marriage-across-yorkshire-1-9875234
    Children as young as 13 saved from clutches of forced marriage across Yorkshire
    Print Title “Girls saved from fate as child brides”

    There were 183 forced marriage cases intercepted by police across Yorkshire and the Humber last year. Of the 183 cases, 128 were linked to forced marriages being set up in Pakistan.

    A further 18 were linked to Romania, five to Bangladesh and less than five to India.

    Across the UK, there were a total of 1,764 cases the UK’s Forced Marriage Unit gave advice and support to

       12 likes

  31. StewGreen says:

    The BBC can investigate sex abuse in the military
    There is a prog tonight

       7 likes

  32. StewGreen says:

    Gay parenting can the BBC talk about that ?
    Yep today episode 1
    \\ David Gregory-Kumar is a BBC journalist, and he’s also a gay dad.
    Across three editions of One to One, he’s exploring different aspects of gay parenting.
    Today he speaks to DaJon, the surrogate who carried his, and his husband Suraj’s, baby girl. //

       8 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      The BBC does like sourcing internally.

      As a topic, why not?

      However beyond a puff piece it is clearly not going to be easy to find conflicts of interest affecting the edit.

         7 likes

    • G says:

      SG,
      I can see which one Gregory-Kumar is but, “…..DaJon, the surrogate who carried his, and his husband Suraj’s, baby girl”. Would Dajon be the bearded one on the right? Who knows anymore?

         7 likes

  33. Fedup2 says:

    The speaker has resigned! Well – the French Speaker – who is now the resigned ‘ environmental minister ‘ – caught out on ‘lavish meals ( in France ) paid for by the French taxpayer ?

    Obviously a politician reared in the ways of the EU….

       10 likes

  34. fakenewswatcher says:

    Farm murders in South Africa: over the weekend Ina and Sakkie van der Berg were murdered near Boshoff, in the Free State Province.
    Today a farmer and his son were shot in the chest near Muldersdrift, Gauteng Province, when about 5 attackers broke down the back door of their home.
    6-8 September is a White Cross commemoration weekend. There is a mountainside covered by hundreds of white crosses, one for every farmer/family member murdered in SA in recent years.
    The ANC which, for many years set out to make the country ungovernable, is not particularly interested in the war on farmers.
    The bbc is unlikely to report on this issue. Possibly because the attacks are almost daily occurences, one supposes.
    If you think about other possible reasons, you’ll find it easy to work out.

       24 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      They do report about a white football star getting shot
      \\ South African former footballer Marc Batchelor has been shot dead near his home in Johannesburg.
      “He died inside the car and they drove away without taking anything.
      He was very close to some well-known figures in the Johannesburg underworld, which is why there is strong speculation about his killing being a hit.//

         5 likes

  35. digg says:

    The BBC as we all well know would dearly like to see a move to a Marxist style State. However the Army are likely to be a problem with that.

    So we are seeing the usual lefty steps to secure the high ground.

    Their narrative:-

    1. The young are being oppressed by old white males. (Get youth on-side)
    2. The male atmosphere in the Army is sexist for women. (Get women on-side)

    To follow in the next few episodes?

    3. Coloured folk and immigrants are discriminated against by the Army (Get diversity on-side option 1)
    4. The Army is intolerant of LGBT folk. (Get diversity on-side option 2)

    Hoped for outcome?

    Make the UK Military appear as obsolete and not-nice and therefore disposable paving the way for a Global Jurisdiction to replace it. (For more read up on Common Purpose, the go-to outfit for BBC staff).

    If this country god forbid ever does find itself in a Nation against Nation war again I hope there are still enough people with backbone, courage and fortitude to take on the task and I hope those people will bring a day of reckoning with the toads who conspired with it.

       20 likes

    • G says:

      Digg,
      “….. I hope there are still enough people with backbone, courage and fortitude to take on the task and I hope those people will bring a day of reckoning with the toads who conspired with it.” A rapidly diminishing number aging.

         10 likes

  36. Roland Deschain says:

    It has to be said he was asking for this.

    Though after looking at his history I don’t think the author meant it to come across that way.

       12 likes

  37. Roland Deschain says:

    I don’t think I can put this better.

       31 likes

    • JimS says:

      Don’t worry Shami, Cherie Blair and Amnesty International will be right on this…

      …sometime never.

         23 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      Which reminds me – wasn’t there meant to be a peer asking the state what actions their prison service was taking to protect TR? In the Hords Monday? Didn’t hear about it …

         11 likes

  38. theisland says:

    https://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/written-questions-answers-statements/written-question/Lords/2019-07-11/HL17121/

    Apparently a written question was submitted by Lord Pearson on 11 July.

    Tommy Robinson: Written question – HL17121
    Ministry of Justice
    To ask Her Majesty’s Government what steps they are taking to ensure the safety of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon in prison.

    No response by the look of it.

    Perhaps someone should also ask the Home Office to explain why they are obstructing Geert from visiting.

       14 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      Thanks the island – I think the government is worried that if he goes to belmarsh he might meet people who have been locked up for the offence of ‘upsetting the state ‘.

      Is Henry the 8th still on the throne ?

         5 likes

  39. pugnazious says:

    David Vance retweets this celebration of diversity for our delight and education…

    You have to wonder….the Muslim players who leapt aside when the champagne cork popped in case polluted by alcohol…what if they had to play with gay players? Would they leap aside and refuse to play? or ‘Zionists’? oh…The Koran does not ban alcohol…just says best not pray when drunk….so can drink, and even pray when drunk….but best you don’t pray when blotto.

       10 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      Nice publicity touch to post a black as 007 . Sure it would go down well in America – I thought the current 007 scheme was to have a black lady as ms money penny ? Or similar .

      Unfortunately when I watch a Bond film I find myself wondering about his expenses claims , working hours directive and what sort of pension he gets. I mean – does a 00 have to work to 66 or whatever damn pension age is now ?

         6 likes

  40. taffman says:

    Al Beeb often bleats ‘Brexit Uncertainty’ after its economic reports.
    If we had left the EU by now there would be no Brexit uncertainty .
    It is this uncertainty that is stifling our economy.
    Boris , get us out of the United States of Europe or you and the Tory Party will be finished .
    Vote and support Ukip and The Brexit Party!

       8 likes

  41. taffman says:

    Ursula von der Leyen wants to kick the ‘Brexit can’ further down the road and wants to take over from where Napoleon left .

       9 likes

  42. taffman says:

    “The age limit for playing the National Lottery could be raised to 18, the government has said.”
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49006906
    Meanwhile The Welsh Assembly wants to lower the voting age to 16.
    Compare and contrast.

       20 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      16 year olds voting is them gambling with other peoples money

         9 likes

    • Not Gwent says:

      The Welsh Government were one of the first to declare a Climate Emergency when London got its XR protests.

      Now as a reward Cardiff has its own protest complete with South Wales Police road closures.

         6 likes

  43. StewGreen says:

    ITV did an iten promoting She-Fest
    A wimmin only performer festival

       4 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      Looks like a good place to pick up girls – for those in the market (Fedup – you’re not allowed to say things like that – how many times do you need to be told ?)

      Bet the queue for the loos will be a horror .

         7 likes

  44. BRISSLES says:

    Want to become a millionaire?

    Right, then just be ‘ok’ at throwing food together to make something passable to eat. Be capable of making coloured icing sugar to cover a cake that’s not entirely good enough to set before your Queen. Enter a cookery competition and hide your failings with a bit of face gurneying, oh and being an ethnic minority certainly helps you past the winning post.

    If your lucky our national broadcaster sees you as a poster person, and then gives you a make-over – away with the hijab, and in comes an array of fetching turbans. Non-descript cooking shows /overseas documentaries come your way with ghost written cookery books by the cart load. Don’t worry about the recipes because you clearly don’t have time to know that many with bringing up 3 kids on fish fingers and only eating tinned vegetables.

    And after around 4 years, you too could be a millionaire, courtesy of me and my licence fee.

       21 likes

  45. StewGreen says:

    9pm BBC2 Inside the Social Network: Facebook’s Difficult Year
    bet they tell us the only problem is “the Russians”
    Wheres what I see is material from Labour front groups like HnH being constantly pushed at me

       8 likes

  46. Guest Who says:

    Hugh. Impartial as ever.

       6 likes

  47. StewGreen says:

    Tackle Khanifecrime ?
    nah have a Khanaval instead

       8 likes

  48. StewGreen says:

    Don’t waste time
    getting disinformed by watching the news

       5 likes

    • JimS says:

      Esta es una terrible grabación!

         1 likes

      • Not Gwent says:

        I’d thought it was only me who had trouble with distorted sound.

        That said it was a better five minutes spent than wasting my time listening to the news (which was the point of SG’s link).

           3 likes

  49. Celtic_Mist says:

    Now that we are all ‘nazis’ (see next comment) the real haters try racism.

    Imho, only God and the individual truely knows what is in their heart

    /
    French journalist Jacques Mallet du Pan famously observed during the French Revolution that “like Saturn, the Revolution devours its children.”
    /

       6 likes

    • Celtic_Mist says:

      BBC version of ‘reductio ad Hitlerum – a play on the very real logic term reductio ad absurdum’ with it’s own twist!

      /
      The UK’s Boris Johnson compared the EU to the Nazis during the Brexit campaign; a UN investigator used the comparison for Israeli actions in Gaza; Russian television has applied the label to the West over the Aleppo crisis.
      /

         5 likes

      • Fedup2 says:

        Funny that because I read somewhere that one of the Nazis who ran their banking system wasn’t executed after the war but got a job in the West German Government and then used his Reich model for the New common market .
        I’ll try and find the article ….

           8 likes