Midweek Open Thread 3 July 2019

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  1. Annunaki says:

    [Wrong forum for such comments – TrueToo]


  2. Annunaki says:

    [Same as above.]


  3. Annunaki says:

    apart from that I could not possilby comment one way or another


    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      It’s hard not to be enraged about this but let’s stop short of torture and murder.
      I’d say much tougher sentences, closures of Mosques and deportations. But then we would need the law on our side for those things and clearly we don’t have that. That judge might just as well have told the Muslim child rape gangs to “please continue to prey on our little girls, we’ll discipline anyone who should try to stop you”
      It’s corruption to the point of institutionalised evil. How shall we stop it? Vote? I think it’s going to take more. If we take to the streets I think they’ll turn on us violently as they have in France.


      • Lucy Pevensey says:

        Ah, they might as well delete my comment as well.
        Words aren’t going to win this battle. We should have learned that by now.


        • TrueToo says:

          Lucy Pevensey,

          I am guilty of the deletion of those two comments. There is absolutely no room on this site for graphic calls to violence.

          I couldn’t see anything wrong with your comment.


          • Fedup2 says:

            TrueToo – seconded . I’ve deleted another one and will continue to do so without notice . I’m not editing comments any more . They will just be deleted . I’ve wasted too much time amending posts
            , I warned about it enough . And if I’m abused – as has happened before – I will delete those posts too. And if anyone don’t like it – go find another ‘better ‘ site .


            • Up2snuff says:

              TT, “I am guilty of the deletion of those two comments. There is absolutely no room on this site for graphic calls to violence.”

              I could not agree more.

              We have had, on BBC R4, news this week from Hong Kong and have been able to hear how the authorities now view the protests. It is entirely possible that the authorities themselves were behind the violence. Indeed, that was suggested by someone there who was knowledgeable about HK society & Beijing & the protest leaders/protestors.

              It is essential to maintain peaceful protest whether in print or on-line here or out in the public space.

              As soon as violence is suggested or engaged in, whether against people or property, the moral imperative, the high ground, has been lost, the other side has won.


              • Fedup2 says:

                Thank you for the support .
                Hopefully every one here knows that TrueToo and I are volunteer moderators for the site . I won’t speak for him but I think we sing from the same song sheet .

                I only do it to support the cause . There is only personal satisfaction in involvement in it . No one off this site knows I do this .

                These days the individual can’t to much to influence things without The State crushing them -,as is being shown at the high end in the TR case . I’m not as brave as him – so this is my little bit – whether others like it or not .


                • Dover Sentry says:

                  Keep up the thankless good work Fedup2 and TrueToo.


                  • TrueToo says:

                    Thanks, Dover Sentry.


                  • Up2snuff says:

                    Agree with DS – thanks Fed & TT for what you do in keeping this going.

                    Couple more observations, if I may:
                    1. On this site, our primary objective must be as critics of the BBC. We gotta do what it says on the tin! OK, it is inevitable that things might go a little ‘off-piste’ at times – oh hallo Pounce, didn’t see you there! – but an occasional diversion into sport, music, politics, religion, etc., that provides an outlet but also an opportunity for us to learn from others posting on here as well as converse, have some intelligent conversation plus a jolly good laugh & be cheered by it is all to the good!

                    The BBC may not do comedy now but BIASED-BBC has a great line in it. In a way, we are the community that the BBC used to have back in the days of Steffie, Nick & Pesto. Have they blown that – big time. Wonder if they have any regrets?

                    2. Like any critic or journalist, when we post on here we do not have Subbies and an Editor looking over our shoulders at the copy, getting ready to slash with the ol’ blue pencil. While Fed & TT are moderating, it is somewhat ‘after the fact’ so we posters do have a responsibility to the site owner David Vance (are there others? any partners?) and the backroom team who may be paid to do the techie stuff. That responsibility is to remain legal and decent and accurate.

                    It is just like a newspaper journo has a responsibility to the owner of the paper, or, dare I say it, just like the BBC has a responsibility to those who own them, all the Licence Fee payers past and present.

                    3. Then there’s maxincony (and his predecessors) just waiting to gobble you up should you transgress. Oh joy!

                    Night night one and all. Sweet dreams. Sorry to mention maxi. Hope that doesn’t give you all nightmares.


                • TrueToo says:

                  Thanks, Up2snuff, and I agree totally with your comment.


                • TrueToo says:


                  The pen (or the keyboard in this case) is mightier than the sword.


                  • Up2snuff says:

                    Yes, that’s a motto that I hold and comfort myself with, TT. Just like Linus with his blanket.

                    Whether it’s the Reformation, or religious emancipation (Bunyan J. w/’Pilgrims Progress’) or slave emancipation (yes, the pen was mighty there, too, in an age of pamphleteering) or freedom from Communism and bringing down the Iron Curtain (Samizdat and all that) the written word carries power for good. Jews and Christians are people of the book as one Thought for the Day contributor stated this week on TOADY.

                    And in the event of the UK being trapped in the EU, God forbid, the pen will be the weapon to fight for our freedom and our democracy with.


            • Deborah says:

              Fedup2 i am grateful for all you do. We have seen on YouTube that recommendations and notifications are removed if a clip is the slightest Right of centre. I guess it will not be long before it happens to web sites. I am noticing that I have to type more letters for both ‘biased BBC’ and ‘Going Postal’ before google finds the sites, I guess they will get harder and harder to find. I have bookmarked them but the rise of the Far Left and it’s use of the web is scary.
              We can still at the moment vent our fury at the prejudices of the BBC here but we have to be careful how we say it. The site could easily disappear.


              • Fedup2 says:

                Thank you . You know – I’d never thought of that but it’s obvious – all the search engines have to do is to tweak things a bit and no one would find a website – buried on page 150 of the search engine – if it returns at all.
                Only those with the website address could find it – and since the MSM ignores sites which criticise it the only way knowledge is passed is by ‘word of mouth ‘.

                It always seems to return to good old G . Orwell.


    • Guest Who says:

      “apart from that I could not possilby comment one way or another”

      Montoya moment.


  4. JimS says:

    Jeremy Vine‘s producer does another of his little party pieces in which he wonders if the BBC might just be one of those things that makes Britain great.

    Obviously not the social division-creating, UK-bashing BBC that this site reports on. Is he talking about the British Bacon Company or the like?

    I loved the item in which Jeremy Vine blamed the technology in his ‘smart’ watch for insisting that he do squat thrusts, even though he was at work. Doesn’t the user get to program these things? Bobby Pryor is the one spot of sanity in this programme but ‘why oh why BBC’ does she have to compete with a backing track? (She isn’t a fan of gadgets).


  5. Sluff says:

    Feel the enrichment!
    Embrace the multiculturalism!
    Celebrate the diversity!

    ‘UK slavery network had 400 victims’

    Could the perpetrators possibly have names like Smith, Jones, etc?


    • Annunaki says:

      I’m feeling the enrichment…oh what a cultural addition to our country we had Nothing before these paragons of culture arrived begging benefits….


  6. Fedup2 says:

    Annunaki – comment deleted – I thought you’d left this site ?

    This site is primarily about ‘BBC Bias “…

    Fedup – moderator


  7. Fedup2 says:

    Annunaki comment deleted .
    Put the C word in your posts and it will be deleted. If you don’t like it find somewhere else with more free speech . Troll me any more and. Your comments will just be deleted . I won’t even read them as i will not take any abuse from you . Get it ?


  8. Fedup2 says:

    Truetoo – I’m sending you a direct email regarding moderation and trolling .


  9. Fedup2 says:

    Dyst – comment deleted ,its not arguing – it’s moderating .


  10. TrueToo says:

    Annunaki, I don’t know why you think it’s OK to keep on making us check your posts when we could be doing something more productive. You know what the boundaries are but somehow you keep on pushing them.


  11. Up2snuff says:

    And speaking of the moral high ground, calls to violence and lies, I note the BBC are none too careful on that last one. 6pm News – two blatant lies.

    They are very keen to try to prevent Bojo winning the Tory leadership. The BBC correspondent tells me tonight that the claim about the money we send to the EU on the Leave Campaign bus (coach) was proved wrong by the ONS. Oh no it wasn’t! Quite the opposite.

    Another BBC correspondent tells me that what was deterring Jaguar LR investing in UK manufacturing plant was primarily Brexit. Oh, no … you’ve probably got the hang of it now, no need for a repeat.

    The BBC.

    Bit like a pantomime.


  12. Doobster78 says:

    Well done again Mr President . Just shows what can be done when you just get on with the job in hand and don’t continually pander to these lefty professionally offended types. Great stuff.


  13. Up2snuff says:

    Two items today that the BBC have mentioned:

    In passing, John Major has said he will vote for Jeremy Hunt in the Conservative Party leadership contest. Jeremy Hunt may not welcome that endorsement, guilt by association and all that.

    (If pro-EU Major backs Hunt, does that mean that the Tory Jezza is another Theresa May?)

    More extensively, BBC R4 News has covered the trial and guilty verdicts on some Polish people traffickers and slavemasters.

    (No mention, of course about the EU and British politicians and political Party that not just facilitated that exploitation but have actively encouraged it. Another very good economic reason to get out and away from the EU as soon as possible. Also no mention or BBC comment on the very light sentences handed out to those found guilty.)


  14. Sluff says:

    Meanwhile over at Wimbledon.
    A talented and rather likeable 15 year old with a good attitude is winning over the public but especially the BBC who are absolutely creaming their pants over her. She seems to be at the top of their love-fest table.
    Why might this be?
    Oh, I forgot to mention.
    She’s black.

    Weird thing is, I quite like what I’ve seen of Cori Gauff. I can decide that for myself. I don’t need the BBC to weaponise her for their own politically correct propaganda purposes.


    • Up2snuff says:

      Sluff, am not sure it’s the colour thing but I accept there is a preponderance, illustration-wise, on the Home Page and News Pages on the BBC w-s. Whatever, they are racist. I remember their obsession over Lewis Hamilton when he started in F1, only for his skin colour. Not his youthfulness, not his family background, not his upbringing (Ron Dennis/McLaren ‘test-tube baby’ as it were) not his obvious ability – just his skin and its colour.

      I think Cori Gauff is a breath of fresh air for tennis. I see (metaphorically) her as compensation for the worst of the Williams sisters which we have had to put up with over the years. Compensation for the worst of Nick Kyrgios, too.

      I like Heather Watson. Why? ‘Cos she smiles when she puts her all into giving the ball a whack, that’s why. She enjoys her sport. Hopefully Gauff will be another like that. Hope she doesn’t become a ‘prima donna’.


  15. Doobster78 says:


    • StewGreen says:

      Always apply the reverse polarity test , to see if the situation is balanced.
      If the trial had been not of ethnic Pak-Bangla rapists but of a group of Groomrapists from a demographic that is an enemy of libmob
      and the reporter had not been Tommy but rather Jo Brand or an ethnic Muslim figure like say Ash Skar
      how would it have played out ?

      .. the first step would have been that a policeperson would have had quiet word instead of waiting for an hour of filming to go on
      .. an a trial that is a stitch-up.


  16. Sluff says:

    A bit behind the curve but is the anti Tory, antiBoris baiting by Mischal ‘useless’ Hussein on Toady getting even worse?
    Through the morning haze after a late night I heard something like this.

    ‘Mr Smith, thank you for coming on to tell us about your coin collection, but before we get onto that, do you agree that Boris Johnson is the incarnation of evil ?

    I don’t know anything about politics I just came on to talk about my coin collection

    But surely you must have an opinion about Boris Johnson.


    But coin collectors everywhere need to know if they can trust a man who is standing to be the next Prime Minister

    I really don’t know anything about Mr Johnson. I came to talk about my coin collection.

    Sorry but we’ve run out of time. Thank you Mr Smith’.

    ‘And now let’s go over to Laura Kuennsberg for her thoughts. Laura it looks like Boris Johnson cannot rely on any support from coin collectors.

    Absolutely Mischal, Mr Johnson is really going to have to answer some tough questions if he is to gain any credibility’.’


  17. StewGreen says:

    19:47 Switch-on bingo win
    drama “OMG this guys is a far-right figure so my editor will want me to write him up as if he is some kind of hero”
    … The drama is supposed o be about the life of the journalist from Malta who was assassinated for exposing corruption.


  18. StewGreen says:

    I’ll be staying away from the gloating media for a while
    … the next step will be talk of a TR appeal
    .. then failing that ..if time served will be considered enough.

    I’m thinking of all the victims of CSE those gromed/raped/traded by rapists of whatever skin colour.
    … And of the victims of injustice, people who did the right thing, but were stitched up.
    Of their children unjustly deprived of their mothers & fathers .

    Lot of injustice in this world it is not just about the one man TR.
    Together we seek to defeat the bad & flawed system .. brick by brick.

    No need to rush in and do rash things.


  19. Thoughtful says:



  20. StewGreen says:

    BTW The world Cup cricket is only live on Sky
    with a later highlights show on Ch5
    Today Sky promised that if England make the final
    ..the match will be shown on free to air.


  21. JamesG says:

    An awful lot of virtue signalling on the BBC’s coverage of Wimbledon today.


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  23. taffman says:

    “Iranian official threatens to seize British oil tanker”
    We had a Royal Navy , once, but our Liberal, PC, Tory Government got rid of it.


  24. taffman says:

    “Knife crime strategy too focused on gangs, says ex-police chief”
    What’s wrong with the featured photograph ?


  25. Fedup2 says:

    Thanks for your support . Means a lot .
    As for knife crime . My London borough is currently covered in posters advertising a ‘knives amnesty ‘ – particularly the bus stops . It gives the kids a reminder to ‘tool up ‘ and has a helpful series of pictures of types of blades . They can discuss the best type while they wait for a free bus ….

    I’m going to put the weekend thread up …..