580 Responses to Midweek Open Thread 3 July 2019

  1. Doobster78 says:

    Lammy and the Left outraged ….. AGAIN !!! Never. Lammy finds it so so offensive ..

    https://twitter.com/WCullmac/status/1146733136803434496

    But hes happy to call the likes of you and me, Petty, Small minded, little englanders, plonkers etc etc …. that’s OK , not offensive ?? … David can say anything you see as he is left and black ….. i now really wish i was a black man … i really do, its just a free pass for life these days ….untouchable.

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    • Beltane says:

      Lammynitis: a painful condition of the hoof. Treatment includes lying down in a stable environment.

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    • Not Gwent says:

      Reading about Lammy hurling insults reminds me of the success his party enjoyed in the recent European Election.

      “This was their worst result in Wales for nearly a century; they did not come first in any reporting area in Wales or Scotland.[163] Labour’s vote fell in both Remain and Leave areas.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_European_Parliament_election_in_the_United_Kingdom

      For balance in London Lammy’s Labour powered to second place.

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      • Beltane says:

        Following his Mastermind performance it’s unlikely Lammy will know the meaning of the word hubris, but his use of another word ‘ahistorical’ is quite revealing.
        The thick oaf thinks he has a monopoly on grievance through slavery while actual history shows that indigenous whites have been enslaved in far greater numbers over far more years than his ‘ancestors’. They, for all their subjugation – most commonly through tribal chiefs’ sales to Arab traders – retained their pride. Something Lardy Lammy seems to have misunderstood – although failing to grasp significant details evidently comes naturally to him.

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    • Kaiser says:

      “my ancestors tearing off their chains”

      erm you mean , white men paying or dying, to remove the chains on some blacks , surely david !

      and when did slavery become an exclusively black business

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      • Guest Who says:

        OT, but the sage Lammy deployed by itv.

        Goes poorly.

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  2. digg says:

    Anne Widdecome’s speech at the EU… awesome!!!

    Like watching HMS Victory deliver a full broadside… I bet lots of knuckles were clenching in the room.

    Reported in the Express but obviously not on the BBC, Guardian or Independent of course.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1148981/Brexit-news-Ann-Widdecombe-speech-video-Brexit-Party-European-Parliament

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  3. digg says:

    Meanwhile back in our own “patriotic ” House of Lords doing their best to sabotage it … also courtesy of the Express.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1148997/brexit-news-no-deal-house-of-lords-vote

    This will probably make it to the BBC et al. though…

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  4. theisland says:

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  5. digg says:

    Small bits of the Ann Widdecombe speech now appeared in the Guardian, along with the most unflattering photo of her that they could find and a couple of digs at her (distorted) comments on gays, slaves and oppressed women and snide comments in the reply from Guy Verhofstadt taking up most of the story.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/04/ann-widdecombe-likens-brexit-to-emancipation-of-slaves

    Her point was the undemocratic way they have just repopulated the top tier of the EU overlords underlining the reason why so many British people want out.

    Their bias against all thing brexit could not be clearer.

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  6. Dystopian says:

    Re TR court case;

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  7. digg says:

    Corbyn gushing praise for Stormzy at Glasto… “It won’t just go down in Glastonbury history – it’ll go down in our country’s cultural history”

    Yep he sure is trying….

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7208185/Brawl-erupts-Stormzys-Ibiza-festival-yobs-trade-blows-security-guards.html

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  8. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Several talking heads on tv have questioned why Farage and the Brexit MEP’s are taking their pay when they want to leave the EU.
    They even question the rights to a pension.

    Do they think the same about all the SNP MP’s in Westminster?
    They are in the same situation as TBP in Brussels.

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  9. pugnazious says:

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    So….if the result of the vote is 52% Boris and 48% Hunt we must not ignore the 48% and we must take their concerns seriously into consideration…this isn’t a binary vote…just because you win doesn’t mean you win.
    In light of that we must listen to the 48% and make sure their interests are not forgotten…to do this we must have Boris as Prime Minister, but in name only, Jeremy Hunt will have all the real power as he will be, by Diane Abbott’s reckoning, the real winner anyway with a majority of 48%.

    Failing that a second vote must be run…with Jeremy Hunt on the ballot and Boris not on the ballot….it’s the only way to stop the uncertainty and ensure the 48% win.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Pug
      The 48 – 52 outcome interpretation is an interesting example of group thing . When a general election results in a close out come – does half the cabinet get made up of the 48%( no – winner takes all – the same with the EU vote )- except we have lived through over 3 years of their parliament ignoring and belittling and bullying the majority voters . Enough

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  10. Guest Who says:

    BBC Moaning emole.

    ***
    “Why blue jeans are going green

    As consumers become ever more concerned about environmental and ethical issues, pioneers in the global denim industry are cleaning up its act. Blackhorse Lane Ateliers, which describes itself as a “craft jeans maker”, has an open-door policy. “Anybody can walk in here, even without an appointment,” says Han Ates, the founder of the London-based small business. “Through that we create transparency.” By opening up its doors, Blackhorse Lane Ateliers is able to show potential customers that its factory is clean, the 20 employees are happy, and that the jeans are worth keeping – rather than throwing away at the end of each season.

    Jill Martin

    ***

    Is Jill not simply precious? The bbc of course does love transparency. Well, as a word.

    I have jeans from the seasons when I had hair. From Primark. It’s a struggle, but they still fit.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Has it been renamed ‘pridemark’ yet Since every other logo seems to support homosexuals …. pink pound rules I suppose ..

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  11. Ed Hitter says:

    The incredible rise of the Brexit Party has barely been mentioned in most BBC bulletins and its website.
    Remember last week when the party’s petition to investigate electoral fraud at Peterborough was totally ignored by the BBC.
    And recall how the party’s massive Big Vision rally over the weekend was given the briefest of coverage before disappearing quickly from even the Beeb’s dedicated Brexit web page.
    Well, today it seems the BBC has suddenly found a new interest in the BP, with this headline popping up on its web home page: “Widdecombe slavery remarks ‘disgusting’.
    Notice the angle, the not so subtle bias, a clear anti BP blast after weeks of ignoring the rise of the party as it gave hope to millions of democrats.
    Contrast the BBC header to that of Mail Online, which at least has some context and balance: “We are OFF!’: Brexit Party MEP Ann Widdecombe blasts ‘oppressive’ EU in fiery maiden speech and sparks an immediate race row by comparing Britain voting to Leave to ‘slaves turning against their owners’
    PS. The person stoking this apparent row is none other than the vile, race baiting MP David Lammy.

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    • Dystopian says:

      Rule Britannia, Britannia rule the waves, Britain never ever ever will be slaves…

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      • taffman says:

        Question .
        Just who was selling the slaves to the slave traders?
        How many descendants of the Slaves would wish to return to their homelands now?

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  12. Dystopian says:

    Ezra Levant “..and the worst of the worst is the state broadcaster here, the BBC with over £5billion a year extracted forcibly from the taxpayer….”

    From around 8:30…

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Mr Levant makes very fair points over TR but he should not be compared with Lasange who caused serious harm to western interests in his disclosures

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      • G.W.F. says:

        I’ve been following Levant and Rebel media on the trial, noting that Levants emphasises that the case against TR is weak.

        But here is the BBC version which, to my mind, prepares us for a guilty verdict. Or is it me? Or do the BBC know something we don’t at this stage?

        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48869040

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        • Fedup2 says:

          So how does it pan out

          Friday after noon – Guilty Finding – lock TR up to stop him saying anything . BBC goes into full overdrive of renewed character assassination and the implied support for him being killed in prison . One less right winger ( ‘extreme’ or otherwise ) …betcha

          Friday afternoon – not guilty finding – brief mention of TR realname being acquitted – something bad as a distraction such as being attacked with a liquid

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  13. Fedup2 says:

    Bbc avoiding the London Bridge Islamic terrorist attack inquest and leading with William Hill closing branches because of red Tory do Gooders such Tim Bottomley .

    Par for the course I suppose .

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  14. Dover Sentry says:

    Judges Rule Boris’ £350m Brexit-Bus Was Right 🙂

    The Remoaners are now going to have to stop carping on about that bus.

    https://order-order.com

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  15. Lucy Pevensey says:

    BBC sets aside £12m to settle presenters’ ‘irregular’ tax bills
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bbc-sets-aside-12m-to-settle-presenters-irregular-tax-bills-0d09hfwjk

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    • Dover Sentry says:

      A quote from your link in The Times:

      “”The amount (set aside), which equates to 77,000 licence fees, will prove contentious at a time when the corporation is stripping free TV licences from 3.75 million people over 75.””

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    • Beeb Brother says:

      They are ‘forced’ to use private companies!

      “Please don’t make us have extra money by not paying income tax!”

      Just the sort of snide money grubbing they rail against so frequently. “Not enough money for X! Too many wicked Tories dodging tax!”

      If they felt so strongly against tax evasion they could have all gone all strike until forced to work on PAYE. They love a good protest after all.

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  16. Fedup2 says:

    The MSM has been forced to give The Forgotten Party – the one which won the EU election – publicity . C4 News carried a (30 seconds ? ) segment of HMS Widdicombe fire a broadside in Brussels today …
    ……. I suspect the only reason it got a mention at all was because she referred to ‘slavery ‘ which every one know is bad whitee against nice blackee …. and no other types through history .
    I’m not supporting slavery – but it is more complex than the likes of sad simpletons like Lammy would admit – or even know ….

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    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      The Forgotten Party. That would be UKIP yes?
      A gravity-defying rise of the new Brexit Party with UKIP consigned to the past. Something about it smells of design.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Lucy
        I actually could care less about parties as long as someone gets us out ….. and the vote isn’t split ( or fixed again )

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        • taffman says:

          Al Beeb knows that if The Brexit Party get in they are finished. Expect more flak from Al Beeb. They will behave like a wounded animal from now on.

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  17. Beeb Brother says:

    So judges agree that Boris’s infamous bus figure was actually correct. In typically unbiased style the BBC deliberately misinterpreted his figures to look as bad as possible (gross/net – I am no economist.).

    Even I mostly believed the Beeb in this and once again we have been hoodwinked! They just never stop! You cannot let your guard down for a second or they will sneak a crushing lie through. For uneducated, naive people they must be able to weave the most wicked lies totally undetected. I am so annoyed at myself.

    Incredibly no story on their homepage pointing out that their epic narrative for the past few years was a steaming pile of fake news. One for the gargantuan memory hole.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Beeb Bro, actually not so. ” In typically unbiased style the BBC deliberately misinterpreted his figures to look as bad as possible (gross/net – I am no economist.).” That is unfair on the BBC.

      The BBC analysed the ‘bus’ figure (apparently, technically it is a coach) as soon as it appeared and confirmed that it was correct. I did the same independently and came out with a higher figure than the BBC, if I remember correctly, £375m p/w versus £361m p/w. I may have been using the 2015 UK-EU payment rather than the more correct 2014 or I may have been using a round £19bn as my start figure. Well, those are my excuses.

      The correct £18.777bn figure, which the BBC got from HM Treasury has also since been confirmed as correct by ONS.

      For anyone who was interested at the time – late 2015/early 2016 – the annual Budget contributions for the 28 Member States (since the opening of the new EU Parliament now known as feudal shires) were available on the EU’s own web-site. Anyone with a calculator could work out what the likely figure was, movements between non-Euro currencies & the Euro plus any post-year end Budget supplements apart.

      I found it not just amusing that Remainers should complain about that coach ‘advertising’ at the time before most folk had got their calculators out but to continually bring it up before and since the EU Referendum really reveals who the liars are in all of this.

      It isn’t the Leave Campaign or the Leave voters, is it?

      Who is it, then, I wonder?

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    • Peter Grimes says:

      “You cannot let your guard down for a second or they will sneak a crushing lie through. For uneducated, naive people they must be able to weave the most wicked lies totally undetected.”

      Al Beeb are NoooldLabor’s fellow travellers and adopt their lying tactics. How about this one which combines Al Beeb’s two favourite subjects, one of which they are for and one mightily against….

      https://order-order.com/2019/07/04/labour-continue-decades-lying-nhs/

      Don’t expect Al Beeb to query Labor’s Liars (all of them!) about it.

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  18. Fedup2 says:

    The beeboid Joshua Rosenberg is tweeting the proceedings of the Tommy Robinson trial. He refers to Mr Robinson as YL .

    One wonders whether this is his desperate attempt at expressing his personal displeasure that TR exists and like so many beeboids would much prefer him to be dead so that Pakistani rape Gangs can go about their activities without the inconvenient of british state agencies having to even ‘look’ at them yet alone do anything to stop them – yet alone protect the inconvenient kids involved …..( long ranty sentence eh ?)

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    • Doublethinker says:

      Fed up,
      This is a show trial in the Stalinist sense. If TR is found not guilty I will be very surprised. The establishment want him in jail and if he dies there so much the better in their eyes. The best way to help Tommy is to make it clear to the liberal left elite judiciary that if TR is harmed they will be held responsible by all sensible folk.

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      • Beeb Brother says:

        The BBC relishing it. Putting the ‘show’ back in show trial!

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  19. Lucy Pevensey says:

    Fedup,
    Have you heard that The Who has re-released ‘Tommy’ with a full symphony orchestra? Roger Daltrey announced the 50th anniversary reimagining of the classic rock opera now titled Yaxley Lennon

    https://consequenceofsound.net/2019/05/roger-daltrey-announces-50th-anniversary-reimagining-of-the-whos-tommy/

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Lucy
      Ha ha – seems like the bbc would call the Album “YL”.
      I’m really surprised the bailey judge didn’t find something to bang TR up for overnight again … best behaviour from the independent judiciary this time of course – unless the AG or DPP says otherwise …

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  20. taffman says:

    Major Earthquake rocks California. Could it be Brexit? or Trump to be blamed ?
    No, its Widdicombe firing a broadside in Brussels today at Al Beeb and the Snowflakes.

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  21. Annunaki says:

    Train passenger accused of murdering father, 51, by stabbing him 18 times ‘smoked cannabis every day that could make him paranoid’

    Pencille denies murder while Mitchell denies assisting an offender. ????

    Following the stabbing Pencille hopped off the train when it pulled up at Clandon Station where he was met by girlfriend Chelsea Mitchell, 28.

    She is accused of ferrying him away from the scene after helping him change his appearance and carrying out internet searches into the killing.

    Excellent so another black stabber and his fat slapper partner will get the maximum sentence through denying their guilt

    Iss not mi fault innit I is smoking drugs:

    An argument reportedly broke out after Pencille made a ‘snide’ remark as he jostled past Mr Pomeroy and his 14-year-old son heading along the gangway.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7214043/Train-passenger-accused-murdering-father-smoked-cannabis-day-make-paranoid.html

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    • Kaiser says:

      eyes dindu nuffin

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      • Annunaki says:

        EE woz racist wozen e coz e argued wif me for pushing past him and making sndey remark to him, so I stabbed im 18 times in self defence in front of is child so not guilty

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    • Beeb Brother says:

      I reckon they argued about literature.

      “How dare you say Hamlet’s indecision is caused by the Oedipus complex!”

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      • Annunaki says:

        Who is this hideously white Shakespear ? what has he done for culture ? and how dare you impose his prose upon our fine stabby drugged up immigrants ?

        Stormzy only please and his “nigga” songs (his words, not mine) they are gonna last 500 years, sure….

        a free education, free welfare free housing, and so many still act like predatory vicious animals then plead not guilty and complain yet again

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  22. Annunaki says:

    She said the cause of the disagreement was unclear, but she recalled one of the men saying: “All I did was be in the way.”

    She added: “I thought it was really petty if it’s just about that.”

    Giving evidence from behind a screen, Ms Carter said the pair had an argument, during which Mr Pencille had picked up his mobile phone and said: “I’m going to kill this man.”

    His lawyer told the Old Bailey he did not deny stabbing Mr Pomeroy but said it was in self-defence.

    The jury also heard police established that Mr Pencille and his girlfriend, Chelsea Mitchell, drove to Bognor Regis after the stabbing before returning to her home in Farnham, Surrey.

    During that time, they searched the internet for hotels in Sussex and Gatwick and for news of the stabbing.

    Ms Mitchell denies assisting an offender.

    Good luck with that or rather, hope you both get what you deserve….

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  23. G says:

    Confession time!
    Being one of the Aaron Banks Conservative Association members thinking that eventually I’d get my ‘two pennyworth vote’ on something important, I am now faced with a dilemma. Having now received the ballot papers for the Boris v Hunt debacle, I’m actually thinking about passing on this vote. Why? It’s all a set-up.
    Having concluded many years ago that this country is and has been grossly mismanaged for decades, I can’t quite see the point in voting for either waster. Wasters that are patently already a part of the international western conspiracy to curtail what we have quaintly known hitherto as, ‘Democracy’. The effort of the co-conspirators has been designed at the top, (by the Bilderberger’s, Soros and that far reaching club) to achieve Communism aka Globalism and they won’t stop, whichever Boris or Hunt. At least now we can see their nakedness and what they are blatantly trying to achieve. Yes, they’ve had a number of minor setbacks: Brexit, Trump and the growth of Nationalism in Europe but they still have all the Western international press, Google and the rest including the BBC, behind them and the wearing down they have put in over the decades is paying off with, mainly, the apathy of most of the public.
    Whatever and whichever way you look at it, fact is that despite the Globalists knowing full well that the people resent wholesale migration, they continue. No not slowing, not stopping. In fact going full throttle as the UN Migration Compact imposes. So, in conclusion, Boris v Hunt? It really doesn’t matter, voting for either marionette will not cut the controlling strings of the puppeteers.

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    • Dover Sentry says:

      As 70% of Conservative MPs are Remainers, we will need The Brexit Party more than ever.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      G
      Why not go for the lesser of two evils – being Boris . ? I remember my disbelief when he was voted in as London Mayor .
      But by becoming PM and promising exit by 31 Oct he has tied himself . If he keeps his promise – great . If he avoids it he and his Party are extinguished .
      Hunt is just May without the dress . You are lucky to be able to vote – so use it?

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      • Lucy Pevensey says:

        “the Con Party is finished” How many times have I heard that over the past 18 months? Nothing has changed.

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    • Annunaki says:

      Two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch springs to mind, the wolves have already decided a while ago they will not make the Trump or Brexit mistake again…the media will be lead by the nose

      Or maybe thats exactly what they wanted ? to polairise ? and vilify, as they are doing every single day in every media outlet, just because I am paranoid it does not mean they are not all after me….

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      • Annunaki says:

        Just a second point, was reading a 1963 sci fi novel, nothing specaial but just for amusement this week and someone travelled back in time to a civilisation one of which was cultured and artistic and scientific and the other that attacked them and stole, the commentary was those that shout most about inequality tend to be those that have no intention of contributing to society in any way, its their right to sit at home and breed all day and take money from the taxpayer to do so, how many long term unemployed are improving their employability through doing voluntary work ? and how many sitting at home with a 55 inch tv and not one ounce of conscience in their mind about spending their life claiming benefits and breeding another generation to do just the same

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  24. theisland says:

    Ex-police officer Dionne Miller made a great speech outside the Old Bailey today.
    Watch the whole 9 mins here

    She referred to the following interview (amongst other things)

    https://twitter.com/ViscountBraith1/status/1146827519066333189

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  25. Kaiser says:

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    • Annunaki says:

      They are a bit of a cliche but doesnt one sometimes pine for the southern louisiana and texas police and their particular way compared to our vapid shower of sh@t when dealing with immigrants who think they can come here and run riot with their rapes and sexual asssaults etc ?

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      • Dave S says:

        I used to spend time in the South in the 80s and the police black and white were not to be messed with . It was never a good idea to try to be smart or lippy.

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  26. StewGreen says:

    I support the National Trust’s divestUK plan
    – Never in invest in the UK
    – Make sure your pension is NOT invested in companies that do business in the UK
    – Don’t live in the UK
    … cos UK2019 is NOT a place to do honest business
    The liberalmob ensure that the GreenSubsidyMafia have priority
    .. all other types of business face sudden rule changes, extra green taxes all without proper debate & judicial process
    How come ?
    .. cos the liberalmob have used ENTRYISM to take over all the main institutions ,
    : the charities, the media, the universities, the lawyers, the NGOs and the main political parties.
    ..That why all the main UK parties are socialist parties with same agendas
    ..open borders, GreenDream Religion, Tax & spend, Political correctness Uber Alles etc, allegiance to the EU
    … That is why the Climate Act , And Trillion2050 get thru without proper debate

    The libmob created the 2 tier justice system
    Signal that you are in libmob and they go light on you
    …as Jo Brand
    ..Whereas those outside libmob are unpersoned, dehumanised by being labelled Nazi , and justice comes down hard on them for standing on the cracks in the pavement
    .. ask Sargon of Akkad

    So divest,
    Divest of the BBC licence
    Divest of UK hijacked charities like the National Trust
    Divest of this Orwellian place that the UK has become.

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    • StewGreen says:

      When switched on Radio4
      I heard
      “here is the Business News ..the National Trust has pledged to divest from FF”

      I thought is that news or PR ?
      Is ‘mad green NGO, does some mad pseudo-green thing’ news ?
      …nope it’s PR
      .. and the BBC being the ad-agency for libmob ran with this PR.

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  27. Donbob says:

    Have just watched Emma Barnett being epically stupid when attempting to give a biased interpretation of Ann Widdecombe’s speech in the EU parliament. Barnett seems to think that slavery never existed before the 17th or 18th century, and that rebellions by slaves only refer to blacks – perhaps Spartacus would have something to say about that. Perhaps Ann should speak slower and in words of one syllable so that Barnett can keep up.
    Off topic, but please consider donating to the crowdfunding appeal to launch a legal action against the BBC for it’s bias.

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    • JimS says:

      She knows all about slavery:
      “To encourage her readers to write in about difficult issues, she referred to “the most painful chapter of my life” when her father was “imprisoned for living off immoral earnings”. Ian Barnett was jailed for three years and eight months in 2008 after admitting to keeping a string of brothels, controlling prostitution and conspiracy to control brothels.”

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    • Banania says:

      What a truly unpleasant and rude woman! A perfect recruit for the Newsnight team.

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  28. vlad says:

    Lame-y and all the libtards competing for most offended in the grievance stakes, groan.
    “It is impossible to explain how offensive and ahistorical it is for you to equate my ancestors tearing off their chains…”

    No they didn’t, we passed laws freeing them.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48869520

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    • Annunaki says:

      African Slavery ? take a closer look at the muzzies….. oppressed women ? hmm where shall we look …..

      The Arab slave trade, across the Sahara desert and across the Indian Ocean, began after Muslim Arab and Swahili traders won control of the Swahili Coast and sea routes during the 9th century (see Sultanate of Zanzibar). These traders captured Bantu peoples (Zanj) from the interior in present-day Kenya, Mozambique and Tanzania and brought them to the coast.[3][8] There, the slaves gradually assimilated in the rural areas, particularly on the Unguja and Pemba islands.[9]

      Some historians assert that as many as 17 million people were sold into slavery on the coast of the Indian Ocean, the Middle East, and North Africa, and approximately 5 million African slaves were transported by Muslim slave traders via Red Sea, Indian Ocean, and Sahara desert to other parts of the world between 1500 and 1900

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      • Annunaki says:

        The captives were sold throughout the Middle East. This trade accelerated as superior ships led to more trade and greater demand for labour on plantations in the region. Eventually, tens of thousands of captives were being taken every year.[9][11][12]

        The Indian Ocean slave trade was multi-directional and changed over time. To meet the demand for menial labor, Bantu slaves bought by Arab slave traders from southeastern Africa were sold in cumulatively large numbers over the centuries to customers in Egypt, Arabia, the Persian Gulf, India, European colonies in the Far East, the Indian Ocean islands, Ethiopia and Somalia.[1]

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        • Annunaki says:

          According to Robert Davis, between 1 million and 1.25 million Europeans were captured between the 16th and 19th centuries by Barbary corsairs, who were vassals of the Ottoman Empire, and sold as slaves.[27][28][6] These slaves were captured mainly from seaside villages from Italy, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, and also from more distant places like France or England, the Netherlands, and even Iceland. They were also taken from ships stopped by the pirates.[29] The most prominent Barbary pirates were European renegades.[30]

          The effects of these attacks were devastating: France, England, and Spain each lost thousands of ships. Long stretches of the Spanish and Italian coasts were almost completely abandoned by their inhabitants, because of frequent pirate attacks. Pirate raids discouraged settlement along the coast until the 19th century.[31][32]

          Periodic Muslim raiding expeditions were sent from Islamic Iberia to ravage the Christian Iberian kingdoms, bringing back slaves. In a raid against Lisbon in 1189, for example, the Almohad Berber Muslim caliph, Abu Yusuf Yaqub al-Mansur, took 3,000 female and child captives, while his governor of Córdoba, in a subsequent attack upon Silves in 1191, took 3,000 Christian slaves.[33]

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          • Annunaki says:

            The Arab trade of Zanj (Bantu) slaves in Southeast Africa is one of the oldest slave trades, predating the European transatlantic slave trade by 700 years.[8][13][54] Male slaves were often forced to work as servants, soldiers, or laborers by their owners, while female slaves, including those from Africa, were long traded to the Middle Eastern countries and kingdoms by Arab and Oriental traders as concubines and servants. Arab, African and Oriental[dubious – discuss] traders were involved in the capture and transport of slaves northward across the Sahara desert and the Indian Ocean region into the Middle East, Persia and the Far East.[8][13]

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            • Annunaki says:

              From the 7th century until around the 1960s, the Arab slave trade continued in one form or another. Historical accounts and references to slave-owning nobility in Arabia, Yemen and elsewhere are frequent into the early 1920s

                 8 likes

  29. BigBrotherCorporation says:

    What the hell is Lammy talking about? The man really is a moron.

       21 likes

    • vlad says:

      he’s a full time professional offence-taker.

      Bases his whole political career on it and makes a living from it, subsidised by al beeb.

         17 likes

  30. Guest Who says:

    #CCBGB

    The BBC does not pick its cause champions well.

       24 likes

    • Annunaki says:

      Childish ? maybe they should grow up and make a big balloon parody and fly it around as the BBC thinks this is mature political debate, probably is the most we can expect from the purple hair pierced brigade

         18 likes

    • G says:

      GW,
      I’d say to her: ‘You’ll get over it but, go and have another metal attachment to your nose dear that’ll make you feel less traitorous’.

         12 likes

      • Annunaki says:

        Two more muzzies arrested in Luton for terrorisms offences, one whole “family” in Luton killed fighting for ISIS what does the pierced one have to say about traitors ?

           14 likes

        • Not Gwent says:

          Traitor?

          Disrespectful at most.

          What do they teach in school these days?

             4 likes

    • Doobster78 says:

      But colin kaepernick kneels and disrespects the USA National anthem and he is a hero of the left and every BBC presenter. …… say no more. Just pathetic the left. Pathetic.

         10 likes

  31. Guest Who says:

    Guy gets the kind of endorsement only Nigel could dream of.

       9 likes

    • JamesArthur says:

      And they call Brexit members disrespectful – is this how MPs talk about each other – Guy Vergetstuffed… Left hypocrisy again

      Terry Christian – Who TF is he? Oh I remember he was on TV once. Renowned for his intellectual erudite soliloquies…

         8 likes

    • Peter Grimes says:

      And Verhofrothingstadt probably doesn’t see the irony in the comparison he tries, and fails, to make!

         2 likes

  32. Guest Who says:

    Envi of de werld

       34 likes

    • Not Gwent says:

      To be fair Sterling and Gilt can drop under the spell check radar. Though State Broadcaster might wish to think about who it gives jobs to or even to whether it should stick to what it knows and values most; so MotD not Money Programme.

         5 likes

      • Peter Grimes says:

        Obviously Meeja Studies doesn’t include basic WP skills training nowadays.

           8 likes

  33. Guest Who says:

    Impressive few paras for a Swedish teen.

       10 likes

  34. Annunaki says:

    Whos feeding the partially educated child this data ? is it peer reviewed and scrutinised ? and precisely, why should we listen to her hormone related rants ?

    Would she not be appeased and finally shut up if we crowdfunded a pony for her, or a Barbie car with a Ken in the passenger seat ?

    worth a try, or some pink unicorn wall paper for her bedroom, with some stars and a rainbow

       16 likes

    • Not Gwent says:

      “precisely, why should we listen to her hormone related rants ?”

      Because the likes of Gove does. This is another stick to beat us with.

         8 likes

  35. Annunaki says:

    Or bribe the Karlsson boy at the desk next to her to at least talk to her, that’ll do the trick, love hearts all over her diary instead of global warming

       8 likes

  36. Dover Sentry says:

    If Climate Change sceptics/heretics used a 15 year old girl to push their agenda, there’d be outrage!

       14 likes

    • Annunaki says:

      outrage at the abuse of young girls ? depends on the race and “religion” of the abusers it seems

         9 likes

  37. Fedup2 says:

    BBC gleefully reporting a letter in The Times from ex police chiefs gripping about cuts . If anyone can link to the letter – which is hiding behind a pay wall – I’d be grateful .

    Apparently these retired millionaires are calling for a ‘royal commission ‘ which just means a waste of public money and 5 years delay in recommendations followed by ignorance of the outcome .

    No Royal Commission is going to reverse the importation of the third world and its’ culture of knives into the UK .

    Meanwhile – in real life – another stabbing murder in London yesterday taking the number above 70…

       10 likes

    • Annunaki says:

      Surely “black stabbing” ? no weekly stabbings or racially aggravated organised peadophile gang rapes before this lot arrived on our shores

         11 likes

      • Annunaki says:

        A little consistency would help, black people and muzzies want to be recognised for their contribution to society, lets start with this

           10 likes

    • andyjsnape says:

      bbc, reports on wasting money. kettle back springs to mind!

         7 likes

  38. AnneG says:

    With all the faux outrage over the Ann Widdecombe speech yesterday. Perhaps we should all be saying ;
    ” I am Spartacus ”
    Love to all.

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    • Annunaki says:

      At the risk of repeating myself, I repeat:

      Some historians assert that as many as 17 million people were sold into slavery on the coast of the Indian Ocean, the Middle East, and North Africa, and approximately 5 million African slaves were transported by Muslim slave traders via Red Sea, Indian Ocean, and Sahara desert to other parts of the world between 1500 and 1900

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  39. Annunaki says:

    From the 7th century until around the 1960s, the Arab slave trade continued in one form or another. Historical accounts and references to slave-owning nobility in Arabia, Yemen and elsewhere are frequent into the early 1920s

    1960s get that Lammy ? 1960s and who are you blaming for slavery ? I hesitate to comment on his audacity yet may just point out:

    you are an ignorant, arrogant, semi educated, yet ill informed, racist, anti white b+++ard who has no moral standing in our democracy other than as a clown who would struggle to get a job in a circus as you are also highly unamusing apart from the slight amusement ofered when displaying your complete and utter ignorance of British history whilst abusing your position to pontificate on matters you know nothing about

    I could not possibly comment on Lammy and his racist ignorance, damn I think I may just have..

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  40. G says:

    Ooh! ooh! Our far left Cultural Marxist State Broadcaster is trying to send us an important ‘coded’ message in their own inimitable way about Boris through its well-practiced Critical Theory. They, in the knowledge that the Conservative Party membership has just received the ballot paper, are obviously having a last shot at convincing the membership that Hunt is best (being completely in the mould of Treason May).
    Apparently No.10 was anxious to limit intelligence information Boris was privy to. The BBC’s resident muslim tried over and over again to induce their interviewees into stating that the information deprivation was due to Boris’ lack of competence as Foreign Secretary. That didn’t work. So, the BBC’s attempt to discredit Boris falls on stony ground. But at least, its helped to put that little question mark in the voters mind.
    ‘The BBC has just learnt’ Yeah! pull the other one: you’ve doubtless sat on that information for days if not weeks, in readiness for the internal election.
    Cultural Marxism at its best and practiced by a top notch news manipulation expert – the BBC.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Good post, G.

      A sharper, brighter, more intelligent Mishal, getting a ‘No Comment’, might then have asked more questions about No.10 control, the Foreign & Commonwealth Office and Priti Patel.

      Priti was the F&CO Minister who the BBC helped hound out of office after she made a holiday trip to Israel and ‘mixed in some work- it is claimed, meeting an Israeli official’ while she was there. Priti is something of a pro-Brexit enthusiast. Mishal didn’t ask about whether Priti Patel was set up.

      I wonder why?

      There is a peculiar ‘no-desire-to-know’ on certain matters and subjects on the part of the BBC.

      I wonder about that, too.

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  41. Annunaki says:

    Trump, Boris, Brexit. whatever the MSM feeds us the people choose otherwise, funny that

    The arbiter of public opinion ? no longer, just some third rate degree holders in “media studies” (and how stupid do you have to be to achieve that) from a Blairite education pontificating on a public funded platform, very well paid by the taxpayer, who, for some twisted reason, believe they know better than the millions who vote contrary to their direction

    48 52 that equates to well over a million majority BTW and that does not matter ? is not significant ? maybe purple hair and piercings affects the brains ability to understand maths

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  42. andyjsnape says:

    In a hurry? Here’s what you need to know in 5 minutes (APPARENTLY)

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48871880

    thats it, nothing else to concern yourself with! according to the beeb

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    • Annunaki says:

      Well that has taught us one thing: China knows how to control muzzies no rape gangs over there

      This is the BBCs twisted racism : muzzies are always the victims yet let us have an objective look at all the strife in the world and who is causing it :

      The 4 conflicts in the following list have caused at least 10,000 direct violent deaths in current or past calendar year.[2]
      Start of conflict Conflict Continent Location Cumulative fatalities Fatalities in 2018 Fatalities in 2019
      1978/2001 Afghanistan conflict

      Current phase

      Asia Afghanistan (1,240,000–2,000,000 since 1978) (2014)[3] 35,941+ 16,008[4]
      2006 Mexican Drug War North America Mexico 115,000[5] 22,500[5]
      2011 Syrian Civil War Asia Syria ~570,000[6] 23,000[7] 5,556[8][9][10][11][12][13]
      2011 Yemeni Crisis

      Yemeni Civil War (2015–present)
      Al-Qaeda insurgency in Yemen
      South Yemen insurgency
      Saudi–Yemeni border conflict (2015–present)
      Saudi Arabian-led intervention in Yemen

      The 6 conflicts in the following list have caused at least 1,000 and fewer than 10,000 direct violent deaths in current or past calendar year.[2]
      Conflicts causing at least 1,000 deaths in one calendar year are considered wars by the Uppsala Conflict Data Program.[17]
      Start of conflict Conflict Continent Location Cumulative fatalities Fatalities in 2018 Fatalities in 2019
      1991 Somali Civil War

      Current phase

      Africa Somalia
      Kenya 500,000[18] 3,952[19][b] 1,112[20][21][22][23][c]
      1998 Communal conflicts in Nigeria Africa Nigeria 17,156[n 1] 3,020[19] 142
      2003 Iraq conflict

      Iraqi insurgency (2017–present)

      Asia Iraq 288,000[28][dubious – discuss] 4,861[19] 889[29][30][31][32][33]
      2009 Boko Haram insurgency Africa Nigeria
      Cameroon
      Niger
      Chad 51,567+[34][35] 2,213[19][d] 244[36][37][38][39][40][41]
      2011 Ethnic violence in South Sudan

      South Sudanese Civil War

      Africa South Sudan 383,000-400,000[42][43] 1,166[44] 519[44]
      2012 Northern Mali conflict Africa Mali 3,300+[45] 1,285[19] 640[46]

         7 likes

      • Annunaki says:

        The 27 conflicts in the following list have caused at least 100 and fewer than 1,000 direct violent deaths in current or past calendar year.
        Start of conflict Conflict Continent Location Cumulative fatalities Fatalities in 2018 Fatalities in 2019
        1947 Kashmir conflict (Indo-Pakistani Wars)

        2019 India–Pakistan standoff

        Asia India
        Pakistan 45,000–130,000+[n 2][53] 548[54][55][56][e][57] ~208[54][55][56][f][58]
        1948 Insurgency in Balochistan

        Sistan and Baluchestan insurgency

        Asia Pakistan
        Iran 20,289–20,589+[n 3] 416[64][65][66][g] 143[64][h]
        1948 Internal conflict in Myanmar

        Kachin conflict
        Karen conflict
        Rohingya conflict

        Asia Myanmar 130,000[67]–210,000[68] 171[19] 13[69]
        1964 Colombian conflict South America Colombia
        Venezuela
        Ecuador 220,000[70] 709[n 4][n 5][n 6][i] 212[n 7][j]
        1965 Israeli–Palestinian conflict

        Gaza–Israel conflict

        Asia Palestine
        Israel 25,000[199] 304[200] 86[201]
        1967 Naxalite–Maoist insurgency Asia India 12,877–14,369+[202][203] 412[204] 133[204]
        1969 Moro conflict (1969-2019)[205][206] Asia Philippines 120,000[207] 268[19] 25
        1969 CPP-NPA-NDF rebellion Asia Philippines 43,388+[208] 203[19] 5
        1984 Kurdish–Turkish conflict

        Kurdish–Turkish conflict (2015–present)

        Asia Turkey
        Iraq
        Syria 45,000+[n 8] 523[213][19][k] 116[214]
        1996 Allied Democratic Forces insurgency Africa Democratic Republic of the Congo 3,353+[n 9] 235[19] 10[217]
        1999 Ituri conflict Africa Democratic Republic of the Congo 60,000+[218] 369[19] 161+[219]
        2002 Insurgency in the Maghreb (2002–present) Africa Algeria
        Burkina Faso
        Chad
        Libya
        Mali
        Mauritania
        Morocco
        Niger
        Tunisia
        Western Sahara 16,873

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        • Annunaki says:

          Victims my ass ….

          They, muzzies, are the perpetrators of 99% of the violence, rape, murder, genocide in the world today.

          and our twisted, insane and traitorous national broadcaster is unable to find a journalist that can access wikepedia as I just did in two minutes to verify this but would rather present this animalist inhuman vicious intolerant scourge upon civilised humanity who thrive upon violence and intolerance as “victims”

             18 likes

          • Annunaki says:

            Interesting to observe China is treating muzzies in exactly the same fashion that muzzies treat everyone else when they have the “whip hand” as THEY call it and the BBC does not like it

            And distressing to obsreve the complete and utter blindness of the BBC to muzie attacks upon Christains many much closer than the 6000 mile away story the twisted traitourous BBC is desperate to hawk on its website

               5 likes

  43. G says:

    ‘The Truth’ as seen by Jeremy Hunt, prospective candidate for PM.
    https://fullfact.org/economy/1-trillion-not-spent-bailing-out-banks/
    When interviewed, Hunt said, ‘……expect more of the same if I become PM…..’. (joking!)

       6 likes

    • Peter Grimes says:

      Odd that fullfact see fit to discredit ‘June’ Hunt over this when to my knowledge they never saw fit to fact check the hundreds of Leftoid liars who spouted the same Bollox about the cost of NewOldLabour’s financial crash, in which the Liars Brown, Millipede Minor and Ed Bollox and his missus Mr Yvette Cooper-Bollox were completely non-complicit.

      There is lots more truth with which they could discredit June, not least his boast that he privately told May that the WTA and backstop were unworkable….whilst supporting it repeatedly on the airwaves.

         3 likes

  44. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #1 – Ladies Day at TOADY and a fair amount of chaos & also in the News Room.

    Commander Mark Rowley is introduced for the 8.10 Prime Interview Slot as a failure. (He was in charge of counter-terrorism policing through three recent major attacks.)

    He makes lots of ‘police:-give-us-more-money’-type excuses for why the public have lost confidence in the UK police. Only a feeble challenge from Martha: “the Government say they are giving the police more money than ever before.”. No challenge about the poor operational decisions taken by the officers in charge. They are the ones really holding the purse strings.

       9 likes

    • Doobster78 says:

      Not to mention the fact the Met has hundreds of officers looking at Twitter for “hurty” words !!! Priorities hey .

         8 likes

      • Up2snuff says:

        Precisely, Doobster. The most senior officers control budgets and strategy in every force. If one or more of the 48 forces is underperforming, it is not the taxpayers direct fault. The hard questions should be asked of the man or woman at the top.

           2 likes

  45. Doobster78 says:

    Hilarious anti Brexit piece from Simon Jack.

    Jaguar set to announce investment worth hundreds of millions in the UK plant for the new electric car …only the BBC could write a article full of anti brexit tripe like this …..and they wonder why they , as a organisation , we all despise them.

    This is quite something for a “good news” piece. Really is.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48875406

    Here are some of my fav bits ..

    Although this is good news, the UK is attracting a tiny fraction of the global investment in electric cars.

    VW alone is investing £70bn in Europe, the US and China. Investment in the UK car industry fell 46.5% to £588.6m last year from £1.1bn in 2017.

    A no-deal Brexit would see new tariffs imposed on components and parts moving between the EU and the UK.

    JLR are essentially saying they had no choice. Others do.

    ………………..

    But company insiders say their decisions are driven by product cycles and their heavy historical reliance on diesel meant they had to act with urgency. Although they do have assembly plants in other countries, their top engineers and managers are based here in the UK. (i thought all the top talent left the UK when Brexit was voted for, thats what the bbc told me)

    …………………..

    Government and industry sources concede that it is frustrating that at the very moment when the car industry is redrawing its manufacturing map of the world, Brexit uncertainty means the UK is punching substantially below its weight.

       8 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      Doob
      The Far Left BBC – like any propaganda outfit – can easily put a negative spin on good news . Without brexit even more people would have got jobs, there’d be even more investment , the wimmin s football team would have won the footy , Andy Murray would have a sense of humour and TR would have got a ‘not guilty ‘
      ( working on the last one )

         12 likes

      • JamesArthur says:

        FedUp
        my thought exactly
        The BBC report on POTUS July 4th celebrations – all they could say was it wasn’t without criticism – but didn’t say by who..they complained he was being presidential and snide remark , maybe it is because his is campaigning..so he acts presidential they complain and he does something they don’t think presidential they complain. No mention of the massive crowds full of women..Why can’t they just report news not twist it.
        And as you say Jaguar – great announcement but BBC rider was ‘ we mustn’t forget there were huge job losses recently’
        Biggest section on morning – poor Muslims in China……this is not important!

           9 likes

        • Doobster78 says:

          Heard that too James. Nagga said the Potus 4th July event was “controversial” and even snide remark thrown in about it being “damp weather”. The BBC are so obsessed with the President that they are even happy it wasn’t good weather. Gutter level stuff.

             11 likes

  46. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #2

    We need to 1. stop a No-Deal-Brexit, 2. kill more old people, and 3. plant trees – wildfires notwithstanding – over a land area on our planet equivalent area to the USA to remove 25% of the CO2 from the atmosphere.

    Campaigning BBC.

    Paul Homewood at the excellent ‘Not a Lot of People Know That’ web-site will be running his slide rule over that last one, the first is just stupid (should the BBC ever think about it) and the second is morally dubious and duplicitous.

       9 likes

  47. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #3

    More free advertising for the chosen few on the BBC. Someone has written a book. David Nicholls sold five million of his first one. But that was before NetZero.

    In Theresa May’s NetZero world, novels and other books, in hard copy, flown and sold all over the world, will be out. OUT. Will the female Arts Correspondent, Rebecca Jones, think to ask about that?

    No, I thought not.

       6 likes

  48. Annunaki says:

    Now you.ve done it I will spend all day looking for my old slide rule, and log books…ask the BBC media grads what the are, on second thoughts dont bother, facts and reality never bother them, 52 – 48 = 48, 52 / 48 = 48 in fact BBC logic informs us all that 48 is all that matters, it will always be larger than 52 for some reason

    The BBC media grads re invent physics and pure maths for the modern world and will present their findings at Glasto folowed by a presentation on culture by Stormzy who will explain how he is better than Shakespear and can say nigga but no one else can as they will be arrested and go to jail

    Welcome to BBC world, only if you have purple hair though

       16 likes

    • Up2snuff says:

      Annu, I could lend you my solar powered calculator if you wish to compare land areas but the batteries are shot, so that only leaves my Abbottacus. Paul & NaLoPKT demand just a leeetle more accuracy than I think that device will (ever) deliver.

         6 likes

      • Annunaki says:

        I only use an Abbotacus when doing my tax returns as it is invariably 20% out on a good day and beyond reproach as it is has an automatic racism accusation attachment, although it does have a natuaral anti Jewish bias by adding 10% and criticising their religion, apart from that its fine, although a little large and not too attractive

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  49. Thoughtful says:

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    • Dystopian says:

      Notice the look on the 2 girls in the audience in the closing seconds the metabolically challenged one on the right tapping on her temple as if to imply that this guy is mentally challenged.
      Yet he talks perfect sense, of which they probably have none.

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