Midweek Open Thread 15 May 2019

A week to the EU elections . Tommy Robinson is facing a political show Trial and the failing BBC is rolling out anti British bias as never before- despite having to obey election laws.

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  1. fakenewswatcher says:

    On bbc4 Fergal Keane, the wide-eyed liberal in Africa, living there, but not really understanding it at all. It’s always clear who the goodies and the baddies are, and Fergal is astonished when the goodies suddenly turn out to be the baddies as well. It’s South Africa, so the simplistic liberal mantras are expected to work. Oh dear…
    Simplistic magic answers, as Fergal forgets what continent he is on. He forgets about numbers when he thinks ‘democracy’ and redistribution will happen at the snap of a finger. He visits and revisits the country, but never learns. Not even being told to his face that someone will happily kill him for no reason, gets the penny to drop.
    Fascinating to watch.
    A prog on photography in South Africa follows. Will that too, be taken with the magic liberal camera, catching truths but imposing the required narrative, twisting everything in the process?


    • Fedup2 says:

      On Toady a few days ago there was a cellmate of Mandela ( wasn’t everyone ?)the terrorist who justified ANC corruption by saying that the British and Dutch were corrupt so now it’s there turn .

      I could care less about the rainbow nation but when I heard that – and the lack of any beeboid response I had a moment .


      • fakenewswatcher says:

        Up2 – lack of beeboid response:
        I have a strange feeling the self-righteous ones are a little disappointed that a favourite target has vanished. It was such easy meat..
        Perhaps -like Fergal- baffled cos they thought they had all the answers. Suddenly they find out they hadn’t at all really, so best to keep quiet. Look elsewhere for the ‘easy answers’ formula.
        There’s always Putin. And Orban. Or the Burmese.


    • vesnadog says:


      “bbc4 Fergal Keane”

      I’m convinced that his scripts are written by Sir Geldof.

      Then again, it could be saint Bono the magnificent.

      Too intellectual for our Lilly the English rose.


      • fakenewswatcher says:

        Vesnadog- you may well be right!
        Then also, you realise the programme wasn’t really about South Africa at all. It was about the great, wonderful and courageous Fergal. SA was the setting, which initially seemed a vehicle for the great Fergal’s analysis of South Africa, seen through the liberal “we love St Mandela” glasses.
        Only, his later trips there were a visits of how he got everything so wrong, by his own admission. Not that THAT prompted him to do any reassessments!
        The MOST interesting question was not even attempted: where else, in history, has a powerful ruling group (who had all the resources to continue fighting indefinitely) voluntarily handed over power to a numerically much larger group, making themselves extremely vulnerable?
        AND IN 1994: there was much about violent black revolutionaries (the goodies) and violent black and white police (the baddies) trying to impose law and order on a country which the ANC had vowed TO MAKE UNGOVERNABLE.
        We saw the ‘extreme Neo Nazi Right’, but apparently there were no other whites, no political leaders, no business leaders, no ‘man in the street’ – the people who had built the country- to interview. It was all about Mandela. (They forgot about his Communist/terrorist background entirely.)


        • vesnadog says:


          “AND IN 1994: there was much about violent black revolutionaries (the goodies) and violent black and white police (the baddies) trying to impose law and order on a country which the ANC had vowed TO MAKE UNGOVERNABLE.”

          Strangely enough, the man who delivers my medication used to live in that part of the Africa and he told me some awful stores about him and his family having to flee their farm by the back way; with the gangs of blacks (goodies) on the horizon heading towards his homestead. Him and his family was so scared they had to risk their lives by fleeing into an animal reserve. He had to threaten the gate keepers with physical harm if they refused to let his children enter through the huge entrance gates to the reserve.

          All the while, the whites (baddies) were being murdered, raped, etc by the blacks (goodies).


          • fakenewswatcher says:

            Vesnadog – I read a number of SA papers and sites every day (Daily Maverick, Mail&Guardian, Politicsweb, IOLNews24 etc) as I have friends there, and can tell you there is plenty of that going on.
            They are ALL planning to leave, or have made contingency plans, as the infrastructure collapses around them, but it ain’t easy. And why should they? It’s their country as much as it was Mandelas. In fact, their forefathers built it up, together with the toil of blacks.
            Now, no question, plenty of things were done wrong, and there was much unecessary suffering.
            But, the issues are FAR MORE COMPLEX than the bbc liberals like Fergal Keane would like to believe. That is why, he admits, he still doesn’t really know what’s going on!
            His problem is the rose-tinted liberal spectacles, whereby the release of the supehuman Mandela, and the ‘end of apartheid’ was supposed to solve everything. That’s what happens when your analysis is superficial and your answers simplistic.
            There is now very little on the beeb about South Africa. Crime and endemic corruption (which will NOT stop with Ramaphosa) are the order of the day. Stories like the one you have won’t be aired, as they don’t fit the narrative.
            And yet there is a big story: will everything ultimately be OK, or will those tempted to grab the goodies-because they are now the majority, cause chaos and bring us Zimbabwe Mk2 on a grand scale?
            I disagree with Fedup. What happens in SA and Africa as a whole is critical for us. we ignore it at our peril.


            • vesnadog says:

              I agree.

              Good post.

              I remember on the last night of my last visit to New Zealand I was in my hotel and later was talking to a SA guy who had fled his country as he was in fear for his life – he was in the SA military and he also feared for his life – I asked him – would he go back?, he said it would take a huge change in politics to stop the anti-white hatred. He gave me the last empty can of lager which we was drinking that night; I have it as a reminder to that conversation. I often think of the challenge he and his family would have if they returned. Its especially dangerous having children.


  2. Dover Sentry says:

    Is Jeremy Kyle a terrorist? It sounds like it from all the media and Parliamentary attention.

    Or is the purpose to deflect from the success of The Brexit Party?


  3. theisland says:

    Go Donald!


    • Thoughtful says:

      It is easy for a government to prevent political bias by companies, BLiar passed several laws, mostly to privilege his Muslim paymasters, such as supply of goods and services where shops are now forced to sell goods & services to anyone. It was only after concerted protests by Gays that it was extended to them and boy look how they misused it!

      If a company wished to discriminate against people for what ever reason it normally would not be legal, so why shouldit be legal for tech commpanies to censor anyone they don’t like ?


    • gaxvil says:

      And also America is to radically overhaul it’s immigration system, ending ‘lottery’ admission policy and moving to a merit based one.
      Just like Nigel says.


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  5. StewGreen says:

    The Grauniad Twitter account
    is apparently a PARODY not the real Guardian
    ..but it’s often hard to tell


    • Demon says:

      I took it as real at first because views like that appear close to the beliefs of many alt-lefties like Yvette Cooper, whose real name is Yvette Balls.


  6. gaxvil says:

    Morrissey then, a bit of a turn up for the books:-
    “The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon” is in hot water over an outfit choice made by a guest performer.

    British musician Morrissey appeared on the NBC late-night talk show to perform — and he took the stage wearing a far-right pin on his lapel.

    The pin featured the logo of the anti-Islam For Britain political party. Morrissey, once the frontman of The Smiths, has openly supported the party since 2018.

    “I have been following a new party called For Britain which is led by Anne Marie Waters. It is the first time in my life that I will vote for a political party. Finally I have hope,” he said a while back. “I find the Tory-Labour-Tory-Labour constant switching to be pointless.

    “For Britain has received no media support and have even been dismissed with the usual childish ‘racist’ accusation. I don’t think the word ‘racist’ has any meaning any more, other than to say ‘you don’t agree with me, so you’re a racist.’ People can be utterly, utterly stupid,” the 59-year-old said.


    • fakenewswatcher says:

      gaxvil – what a refreshing change from BONehead and Geldoof (I have added an ‘o’ as I understand the German for ‘stupid’ is ‘doof’. That gives you stupid money, the German for money being Geld)
      Congrats to Morissey and the late night talk show, which I -regrettably- missed.


  7. taffman says:

    \\ MP’s ‘Have duty to support Brexit bill’//
    MP’s have a duty to carry out the democratic wishes of the people of this country and get us out of the EU.


  8. Annunaki says:

    Food for thought, if we were obseved from afar and judged, as a world in conflict with eachother ( how would we judge another planet) how would they want to influence us, to become one world, maybe a federation like Europe would be the way forward, and those who remember being part of a country with its values and etc are now just old farts I often feel that but there is one religion if you could call it that that is anathema to all of civilisation and it is spreading far and wide

    Human influence on climate change is a legitimate concern, not natural change which any study will show, but has been tsken over by idiots who do not study the far left BBC (real name Bahgdad Broadcasting Corporation) has as usual used its vast tax payers resources to make people feel guilty when it is the multi nationals who should be the target


  9. Cassandra says:

    Rod Liddle has written an excellent article in The Sun today, so I thought I would share some of Liddle’s thoughts:

    “THERE’S an important debate in the House of Commons today – and for once it’s not about bloody Brexit. It’s about Islamophobia.
    The Government is under pressure to make it a hate crime.
    Quite how you can ban people from having rational objections to a highly questionable ideology eludes me. It’s like trying to ban criticism of fascism, or Marxism. But that’s what they’re doing.
    Yes, even when the perpetrator has screamed “Allahu Akbar” before slicing someone’s head off. And has posted a video stating that he’s carried out his murder in defence of Islam.

    This is a madness, a politically correct madness. It’s a denial of truth and a denial of logic.

    But few people dare put their heads above the parapet to say that it is madness, for fear of being called “racist”.

    One has, however. Martin Hewitt, boss of the National Police Chiefs’ Council.

    He has said that the law will make it harder to police anti-terror operations.

    And that it will hinder stop-and-search procedures, and is undermining our attempts to stop jihadis murdering us all.

    He also pointed out that under the proposals: “Any criticism of standard Sharia rulings which are at odds with our laws and customs . . . will become unexaminable.” This is outrageous and dangerous. We should not have Sharia rulings in our country in the first place. They tend to discriminate horribly against women.

    Further, a frightening number of Muslims worldwide and even within our country often approve of such attacks.

    A 2015 Radio 4 poll found 45 per cent of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent “mainstream Islam”.

    Around half (49 per cent) believe Muslim clerics preaching that violence against the West can be justified are out of touch with mainstream Muslim opinion.

    I daresay many do not agree with jailing homosexuals, or the death sentence for apostates, or female genital mutilation, either. Not to mention the complete subjugation of women.

    And yet that is what happens in states which describe themselves as Islamic. And those persecutions are carried out precisely in the name of Islam.

    Muslims are already protected under our current anti-hate laws, and so they should be. But to criminalise a fictitious notion such as Islamophobia is a clear denial of reality.

    You will remember the appalling murders of Muslims in Christchurch by a right-wing fanatic. We were rightly quick to condemn the ideology which motivated the savage who carried out that attack.

    We must have the same right to condemn the ideology behind Islamist attacks.”

    The BBC has kept remarkably quiet on this proposed islamophobia law.


  10. LastChanceSaloon says:


    “If Theresa May resigns, we can still deliver the Brexit people voted for John Whittingdale”

    For the good of Britain and for the good of my party, May must follow Margaret Thatcher’s example and stand down”
    [Let us compare May with the woman recently voted the greatest UK PM ever, rated higher than Churchill]

    “It is now time for May to go and for the country to move on. The country will thank her for her service”
    [What? The EU may thank and reward May for her service to that totalitarian entity. I would thank her with a rope.]

    There is a purpose behind this this disgusting article. The probable reason it is in the Guardian is because none of the alleged right wing press press would print it. This purpose is make May a genuine scapegoat.

    The 40+ years plotting and conspiracy from Heath onwards is to be ignored. The millions of lying reassurances with which the path to slavery is strewn, is to be overlooked. The recent, very public, multi-party treasonous machinations in the joint houses of traitors is to be forgotten. May is to to be the fall guy.

    And, now because the Conservative Party, is temporarily at least, collapsing, there is a need for a genuine Brexit.

    When May has gone it will all be sweetness and light.

    I do not think so, no onlooker from the Brexit side of the Referendum vote will ever trust any of these ****s again.


  11. Not Gwent says:

    News front page has just noticed that there will be a European Election in one week and helpfully provides a guide to the political parties taking part. Guess who they place at the bottom of the pile?


  12. Fedup2 says:

    Toady watch

    Beeboid Ross Hawkins launches the latest BBC anti brexit propaganda stream . He went north and a thick interviewee announced that voters are ‘confused ‘ about who to vote for . Presumably mr Hawkins doesn’t spot the name of the brexit Party is The Brexit Party . I wonder what they stand for . ?

    His mildly toxic piece also gave are to some ‘challenged ‘ fool who claimed that giving the vote to ordinary people about ReichEU membership was like asking them to do heart surgery . There was no challenge or even ridicule .

    Fortunately the Toady programme is past the stage where it influences anyone .

    Later in the programme one my favourite labour fools – bekky wrong daily MP – was on to explain why labour will privatise the national grid at below market rate .. the money tree will be shaken by Corbyn again . John smith s daughter (dead labour leader ) did the interview and went through the motions . Didn’t ask how much it would cost or where the money would come from .
    In this writers opinion funding social care for the elderly is a higher priority than some communist aspiration to nationalise and control Everything .


    • Not Gwent says:

      [complaining about] “giving the vote to ordinary people” – I’ve only heard losers put this argument.

      Spend on social care for the elderly over buying National Grid – I’m no expert though suspect some ordinary people would choose this.


  13. Guest Who says:

    BBC News

    As the world’s largest democracy goes to the polls, questions are being raised about how inclusive India is to its Muslim minority population.


    ‘Questions are being raised’.


    • scribblingscribe says:

      Good thing questions aren’t asked about how minorities fair in Pakistan, or middle eastern Islamic countries.


    • Guest Who says:

      Now with added ‘some fear’.


      • Annunaki says:

        FFS [email protected] muslims why always [email protected] muslims who are comitting genocide around the world and the worst kind of hate crimes ?


      • JamesArthur says:

        Why hasn’t anyone at the British Broadcasting Caliphate come to the conclusion as others – the common factor in all of these disputes is what? Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism etc .. No it’s Islam…so why is it always the others that are the problem and are intolerant?


      • Despairada says:

        India was partitioned because muslims (Jennah) wanted it. I understand that Pakistan means ‘land of the pure’. Why can’t they all stay in their islamic paradise? The muslim birth rate in India is higher than other groups so this must be one of the sources of concern and conflict.

        Islam is like a greedy guest at a dinner party who eats their own food and then starts picking at everyone else’s plate, then shouts not fair when the other guests object.


  14. Dover Sentry says:

    Why does the BBC not point out the deceptions within May’s ‘Brexit’ document? Is it bias against Leaving???

    This is the BBC’s assessment of the document (Withdrawal Agreement):-

    1. It does not determine the UK-EU future relationship.

    2. It does include how much money the UK must pay to the EU as a settlement, details of the transition period, and citizens’ rights.

    3. It also covers the so-called “backstop”, which ensures that no hard border exists between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland after Brexit even if there’s no deal on the future relationship in place by the end of the transition period. ”


    (Scroll down and click on BBC Brexit Jargon explained)

    The BBC fails continually to explain why this is a fraudulent Brexit document. And why it has therefore caused the rise of The Brexit Party. May’s document ensures that we remain in the EU and have to pay £39bn to the EU in order to do so.

    The worst deal in history as a businessman by the name of Farage is quoted as saying.


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  16. Fedup2 says:

    Tory mouthpiece interviewed about giving the Chinese access to telecom systems . Excellent idea – just like giving the nazis access to GCHQ with a all places pass . But it’s ok as the Chinese have promised not to spy ..

    I’m guessing the tories are so mentally disturbed by their coming destruction that they want to destroy every thing else – including intel security sharing with our friends .


    • Ian Rushlow says:

      BT already make extensive use of Huawei equipment in the national phone network and infrastructure, although they have begun phasing some of it out (partly because of age – the purchasing began in 2005). BT’s mobile phone subsidiary, EE, uses a lot of Huawei kit. The Huawei Cyber Security Evaluation Centre, just outside Banbury, is a joint collaboration between GCHQ and Huawei, in which the latter effectively test their own equipment on behalf of GCHQ…


  17. LastChanceSaloon says:

    The same traitors, in the same Guardian, who approved the non Brexit activities in the HoC, are now
    applauding the Islamophobia, activities by the same traitors, in the same building.


    “Yes, Islamophobia is a type of racism. Here’s why
    Wes Streeting”

    “Contrary to myth, the definition I helped devise isn’t a threat to free speech. Theresa May’s government must adopt it”
    [Whenever an inhabitant of the lying House of Traitors states that a proposal “isn’t a threat to free speech” it is safe to assume that it is certain that the proposal will be specifically designed and intended to curtail free speech. Just as it is here.]

    “The all-party parliamentary group on British Muslims, which I lead with Anna Soubry”
    [Wisdom personified, Streeting believes that the Soubry name will enhance his “argument”.]

    “That’s why we have produced a report establishing, for the first time, a working definition of Islamophobia”
    [This is Streeting’s “Here’s why”. He does not give any explanation at all in this article why Islamophobia, as defined by him, is a type of racism.]

    Streeting then produces a long list of UK events where Muslims have, allegedly, received unfavourable treatment because of their faith.
    [I say allegedly, not because I dispute any of the Streeting examples (I have not investigated them) but I do not trust their source Soubry/Sweeting]

    [Streeting provides no explanation why it is not illegal in the UK to give special treatment to one group, as he is proposing. This is real racism.]

    [Streeting also ignores, in this article, activities in the UK by Muslims against non Muslims.
    Activites which frequently result in those attacked being raped or killed.
    The standard, evasive and dishonest, procedure by the Streetings in the UK, is to define this activity as mere “crime”. Bias exemplified.]

    “Wes Streeting is the co-chair of the all-party parliamentary group on British Muslims”

    [The worst argued example of special pleading, in even the Guardian, for some time.]


    • Ian Rushlow says:

      No, Islamophobia isn’t a form of racism, inasmuch as the invented term has any meaning whatsover. Islam is not a race and, whilst Arabs in general and Saudis in particular enjoy ‘top spot’, is largely free from racism in the general sense. It is a religion, or arguably a political ideology expressed in religious terminology, such as might be expected given the time and place of its origin.


    • Loobyloo says:

      Interesting cos:

      Anti-LGBT school lessons protests spread nationwide https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48294017

      ‘Labour MP Wes Streeting, who is openly gay and co-chair of the All Party Parliamentary Group on British Muslims, said: “When you are standing alongside people talking about the proselytizing of children, a homosexual agenda, promiscuity, I’m afraid you’re homophobic.”’

      Careful, aren’t you being islamophobic? And hoisting yourself by your own petard etc etc…


  18. BRISSLES says:

    As expected.
    Aretha Franklin dies, and the BBC has three days of headline news covering her death, with most people on the planet interviewed around the world, and at her funeral. An obscure rapper dies of a drug overdose and its still news 2 days later.

    The divine Doris Day passes, and yep, true to form, the BBC offers up a 5 minute segment, and a tribute interview – over the phone by none other than…… Paul O’Grady.

    It makes me weep.


    • LastChanceSaloon says:

      This is why we are here.
      To note and document the BBC bias.
      To point out that, not only is the BBC biased, it is institutionally racist against white people.
      The BBC is institutionally biased against heterosexuals, against traditional majority groups in general.
      BBC output, expressed briefly, is hate speech.


    • Ian Rushlow says:

      Aretha Franklin dead? They kept that quiet. Next you’ll be telling me that Michael Jackson and Nelson Mandela are dead as well. Why does the BBC never mention these things?


  19. Annunaki says:

    She should have used some fake tan


  20. Thoughtful says:

    Watching the increasing hostility in the gulf between Saudi and their proxies and the Shia Iranians, it is yet another example of Saudi money having bought the US President – again using their military to Saudi advantage.

    The Saudis have been fighting the Houthi rebels in Yemen who the Saudis claims are heavily backed by the Iranians. The war is dragging on with no real end in sight and the Saudis seem incapable of bringing it to any conclusion soon.

    So they order their stooge in this case The Donald to ramp up the pressure on the Iranians directly, which is why the current situation has escaled so seeming quickly without any apparant cause.

    Of course this is nothing new, every US President and plenty of British Prime Ministers have danced to Saudi’s tune and been richly rewarded for it. In fact every single war fought by the West in the Middle East has been to the advantage of Saudi Arabia, and to the cost of the people of the West.

    Keep your car well fueled because there is no knowing where this is going to go when Saudi is making the calls.


    • Annunaki says:

      A bunch of vicous, nasty, lazy and hypocritical philistines who found some oil under their tents, who are happy to behead women for adultry whilst whoring and gambling their way around the world as any employee of a Mayfair casino, cocain dealer or escort agency can verify


      • Thoughtful says:

        They are also happy to execute teenagers on the mere suspicion they might be gay.
        When you look at the hypocritical preening virtue signalling likes of Clooney and friends who crow about the Shia Sultan of Brunei who implemented the Shia version of Sharia which would never be implemented, yet they remain silent about active executions in Saudi.

        Money talks to virtue signalling hypocrits.


      • LastChanceSaloon says:

        “who found some oil under their tents”
        No, the oil was discovered by Western Geologists.
        Nearly all underground resources, everywhere on Earth, were discovered by Western Geologists.
        Geologists using Western Science, developed wholly in the West.
        Resources extracted using Western Technology, developed wholly in the West.

        Sand was under the tents.


        • Despairada says:

          Does anyone know a good reference for how the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia came about and whose fault it was that they were allowed to own this resource that means they can blackmail the entire world?
          I thought it was the British foreign office having a fuzzy sentimental inexplicably stupid rosy view of islam. Surely the western powers could have used a bit of foresight and insisted on owning a majority chunk of the profits.
          Easy to be wise after the event, I suppose.


        • vesnadog says:


          And dare I remind some that many of those scientists were Jews.


  21. Fedup2 says:


    A standard BBC trick – discuss a subject 8 minutes before the news comes on so that it can be killed off .
    Happened today with Islamic infiltrators wanting a new weapon – apart from suicide vests and vans to run non believers over

    The Muslim politicians in Blighty are pushing the islamophobia law -along with the BBC . Much of what is written here could be illegal under the proposed laws .

    It was only a matter of time . One day when the sharia police come knocking at our doors asking why we haven’t converted yet some will wonder ‘how the hell did that happen ‘ . Islam is like a cancer .


    • gaxvil says:

      The wording of the proposed Islamophobia law appeared to have been written by under achieving eight year olds.
      But then the standards of speaking and writing have really plummeted. Very noticeable when politicians, academics people whose job is communicating speak. Maybe it’s the effect of the radiation from phones but precision of speech which must come from precision of thought seems lacking.
      eg: ‘Crosstalk’ on LBC last night – three politicians and a Times correspondent eg:’errr, erm, sort of, kinda, like, you know’ etc..


  22. Guest Who says:

    It’s good to share. Apparently.

    Katty going to share her Mueller coverage?


  23. Guest Who says:

    Meanwhile, Greta’s people get in touch with Roger’s people…


    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      This is the 16 year old autistic child who thinks she can see CO2 gas?

      I’d rather take advice on climate change from next door’s cat.


  24. gaxvil says:

    Put up as a serious discussion point – For invesment and maybe co-operation, do we go with China or stick with America. Trump has banned the import or sales of Chinese coms technology . May is buying our 5g from China.
    China has been busy signing PFI style infrastructure deals around the World with reports of shoddy construction for things those countries do not want or need.
    Merkel talks of defending Europe (the German Empire) from China AND America though does not say whether she means, economic or militarily or both.


  25. Guest Who says:

    Pleeeeease get her back on QT ASAP.


    • gaxvil says:

      Reckon the shareholders and pension companies might have a view on that?
      Jez, this is not the 20th century and certainly not Venezuela.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Becky wrong daily – the gift that keeps giving – challenging for the Labour Party chair in mathematics currently sat on by the industrial sized butt of one D Abbot .


    • vesnadog says:


      “Long Bailey”

      Where on earth are Labour finding these intellectuals who know absolutely zippo. And worse, she’s a supposed Minister to be?

      Good grief!


    • LastChanceSaloon says:

      There must be more air-heads in Westminster than anywhere else on earth.
      The self-styled moderate Labour MPs of the past could not run an orgy in a brothel, as they have demonstrated 100% of the time they have had the opportunity.
      Liam Byrne and his “no money left” note to his successor is the latest example.

      The Corbyn type do exactly two things well, they kill tens of millions of people and they bring starvation and ruin to the economies they control. With near 100% success rates.

      For practical purposes it may be assumed that every single one of the Corbynistas has the IQ of a tapeworm.
      Excepting the history of Communism (their version), every Corbynista knows next to SFA about anything.
      The current Labour Party leadership are not capable of joining the dots in a book for children.

      “There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.” Goethe, who had never heard of Marxism.


  26. Vonbedda says:

    Hi Fellow Posters Von here….

    Anyone listen to TalkRadio with JHB this morning (16/05 – 0800hrs)?

    It was with disbelief what I heard the labour representative say about this new SPEECH POLICE definition about hatred towards Muslims. the labour rep isn’t fully behind the definition however states that it depends on who is interpreting it!

    Surely if a definition can be interpreted any way then your definition sucks!

    The Gov’t has rejected it due to being too broad in its terms – thank goodness.

    its dangerous times when we start police words.

    A reputable source for kicks below: 😛


    • gaxvil says:

      As many have pointed out, how can it be legal to criticise Islam (if you are tired of living) but not legal to criticise individual followers of that religion or ones which exhibit, “perceived Muslim-ness” !!!???


      • Helen Richardson says:

        Interesting you should mention that – we hear it a lot. An example of the mental gymnastics that defenders of unpleasant practices have to go through.

        Surely a religion, a belief-system in other words, cannot exist without followers, otherwise it just becomes another dead historical curiosity like Mithraism or the Minoan religion.

        A religion is only capable of causing concern when people choose to follow it. And, just to add fuel to the fire, I would argue that followers of watered down versions cannot be entirely blameless in much the same way that the milder mannered supporters of totalitarian regimes cannot be absolved on the grounds that they haven’t personally harmed anybody. The only exception I would make is for members of a religious sect that specifically precludes doing harm, otherwise IMO they have to risk being painted with the same brush.

        There are comments elsewhere on this site about Bomber Command and the shabby way they have been treated since 1945. No special concessions for them according to the missions they were involved in – eg: Peenemünde good, Dresden bad.


        • gaxvil says:

          All part of the re-writing or redaction of our history pushed by the Liberal Left and our ‘enrichers’, ably assisted by the likes of the bbc.
          An attempt to re-educate us as to who we are and where we came from. To blank out vast chunks of our history and culture and replace it with their own version.


    • Cassandra says:

      I didn’t hear it Von but I have heard Labour MPs in the last few years support and promote a particular demographic, no matter how repellent their views or values are because quite simply, the Labour Party they want their votes.

      Naz Shah, the muslim Labour MP was interviewed on LBC yesterday about her support for Anna Soubry’s islamophobia law.

      This is Labour MP Naz Shah who:

      In April 2016, Shah was suspended from the Labour Party after being accused of antisemitism when a number of her Facebook posts were made public.
      Shah compared Israelis to Nazis, declared that ‘the Jews are rallying’ and suggested that Israelis leave the Middle East and move to the US, claiming: ‘problem solved and save you bank charges for the £3bn you transfer yearly’.On 5 July 2016, Shah was reinstated. Labour’s National Executive Committee gave her a formal warning, told her to apologise for bringing the party into disrepute, and warned that if there was another incident, she would be expelled. Jeremy Corbyn condemned the remarks an “offensive and unacceptable”

      In her first interview after the reinstatement, she said the controversy was caused by her “ignorance” and that the post was antisemitic but she was not.

      In August 2017, Shah retweeted and liked a tweet from an Owen Jones parody account which read: “Those abused girls in Rotherham and elsewhere just need to shut their mouths. For the good of diversity”. Shah deleted the retweet and unliked the tweet soon after.

      Following Winnie Madikizela-Mandela’s death in April 2018, Shah paid tribute to her on Twitter by tweeting an image with Mandela’s quote: “Together, hand in hand, with our matches and our necklaces, we shall liberate this country.”
      Shah later deleted the tweet without comment.

      In July 2018, Shah was appointed Shadow Minister of State for Women and Equalities.

      As Rod Liddle said
      “Quite how you can ban people from having rational objections to a highly questionable ideology eludes me. It’s like trying to ban criticism of fascism, or Marxism. But that’s what they’re doing.
      ….Apparently, suggesting that Muslims are more likely than other religions to carry out terror attacks is Islamophobic now. Do that, and you could be guilty of a hate crime.”

      Muslims don’t do ‘Hate Crimes’, Naz, Naz can you hear me, are you there? The line’s gone dead.


      • Vonbedda says:

        Hey Cass,

        How true this is I don’t know – I don’t wish to be labelled the usual words – I am an open-minded individual – id like to think that Muslim groups contain free thinkers, who will vote for who they want and not vote how they are told by there religion leaders etc.

        the above is one reason labour will bend over for Muslims in the belief that if you have religion on your side then you will get all faithful followers to vote labour.

        I could be wrong entirely however we have to talk about these things to reveal the truth.


        • Fedup2 says:

          I think you’ll find the ‘religious leaders ‘ fill out the postal votes for the ‘mo s’ who don’t speek eengleess using the ‘multiple registration at same address’ technique .

          Remember these are third worlders and honesty don’t come easy …

          In some places the voting corruption got so bad that the ‘state’ had to stop looking the other way ….


          • Cassandra says:

            Fed, here is a report (from 2005) about electoral practices in my home city, Birmingham.


            “A senior judge made a scathing attack on the postal voting system yesterday, condemning the government for complacency in the face of fraud which would disgrace a “banana republic”.
            Richard Mawrey QC, presiding over a special election court in Birmingham, warned that there were no realistic systems in place to detect or prevent postal voting fraud at the general election. “Until there are, fraud will continue unabated,” he said.”
            “After the judgment the national Labour party suspended the six men. A spokesman said they would be subject to a “vigorous disciplinary process”. Criminal charges against them are expected. Police said yesterday their inquiries were continuing.”

            “Mr Mawrey, a deputy high court judge who has sat through four weeks of evidence that thousands of postal votes were stolen to be changed or filled in by Labour supporters, said the fraud was not the actions of a “few hotheads”. It was carried out with the full knowledge and cooperation of the local Labour party and “extensively prevailed” throughout the city, where applications for postal votes soared from 28,000 to 70,000 last year.”

            “It was focused on areas with a large Muslim population who could no longer be trusted to vote for the party because of unhappiness over the Iraq war.”

            In 2014, John Hemming the former Birmingham Lib Dem MP who lost his seat to Jess Phillips, the Labour MP said…

            “There was a small amount of progress after the Election Court. But there is still vote fraud going on in this city. There are signs of it.”

            He is convinced there is a problem with personation, where somebody goes to a polling station and gives the name of someone else, usually a known non-voter, and takes their ballot.

            “You can go from polling station to polling station, an individual could vote 20 times like this. I am checking details of ten people we know who never vote but who are down as having voted.”

            He also believes there is some postal vote fraud, and during the last election campaign published a photo on his website of a single post box stuffed with ballots.”

            The report goes on to say that…
            “Of the six Labour councillors sacked in 2005, five, Shah Jahan, Shafaq Ahmed, Ayaz Khan, Mohammed Nazrul Islam and Mohammed Amin Kazi, have never returned to front line politics after serving their suspensions.
            Only Muhammed Afzal successfully challenged the findings against him at the Court of Appeal. He returned to the council in 2007 and is now chairman of human resources.”

            “High Court Judge Richard Mawrey QC, presiding over the election court, famously declared the fraud “would disgrace a banana republic,” after his election court found there was a campaign by Labour Party activists to forge, steal, and alter thousands of postal votes.”

            The problem has not gone away, it’s still here and still going on.


            • JimS says:

              No-one gets to check the electoral roll either. It used to be possible to inspect the roll at main post offices and libraries, now you have to go the council offices where, under supervision, you can get to check your own entry.
              Under the old system neighbours would have been able to spot and challenge suspicious entries.


            • Fedup2 says:

              Why am I surprised such a scandal doesn’t make national news . Strange how breaking some laws get the full treatment ( contempt of court -see TR) but contempt of the voting system is no problem ..


      • Banania says:

        Naz Shah is deeply unpleasant. There is a video somewhere on the internet of her speaking in a Commons committee about Tommy Robinson which demonstrates her unpleasantness.


  27. theisland says:


    • gaxvil says:

      I read and researched vast amounts on WW2 Bomber Command which today we are told we should be ashamed of.
      I think of the ‘press on’ attitude ie: those who would press on with the mission on three engines. I contrast that with our ‘modern’ people.
      I thank them for their courage and feel sadness that we, in our present state, do little to honor their sacrifice.


      • Fedup2 says:

        Yes particularly when one becomes aware of the average of bomber crews – and the losses – 38 000 of the best .


      • Helen Richardson says:

        “I think of the ‘press on’ attitude ie: those who would press on with the mission on three engines. I contrast that with our ‘modern’ people.”

        Those who should ‘press on’ don’t, and those who should ‘give up’ in a dignified way, like Theresa May, don’t. But then everything is upside down and back to front.


        • vesnadog says:


          “But then everything is upside down and back to front.”

          This is why the effeminates at the BBC suffer from the dreaded disease: “anti-reality”.


    • Thatcherrevolutionary says:

      Can we send a squadron of Lancasters to Brussels?


  28. gaxvil says:

    What Germany has achieved in Europe, China is attempting for the World, including Europe. Italy, part of the EU, has signed up to China’s Beltan Road Project against German wishes which may partly explain the Merkel statement.


  29. Dover Sentry says:

    Perhaps the Tory back-peddling on proposed new Islamophobia legislation is due to the emerging common-sense power of The Brexit Party?

    I suspect that there’s a draughty wind of change sweeping the BBC corridors for the same reason.


  30. gaxvil says:

    Remainers are running low on ammo for sure. Having tried the usual, racist, xenophobe, fascist, populist(still not clear why that is an insult?) they dig up a video of Farage pointing up the vast expenses he receives as an MEP.
    The utter nincompoops – it’s their EU and their money he’s receiving.
    If they’re unhappy at that the solution is glaringly obvious.


    • G says:

      “If they’re unhappy at that the solution is glaringly obvious.”
      Next spree of voting, they could always vote out the EU’s elected representatives who support the gravy train policy…………… Oh what’s that you say? Can’t vote them out: well I’ll be blowed………


  31. Annunaki says:

    RE islamophobia, why are our immigrant [email protected] (they call us brits so ) consider theselves a special case ? this small but exceedingly gobby minority, does it not occur to anyone it is precisely due to their obnoxious behaviour, we have many other minorities who would not even think of promoting themselves in this way


  32. Annunaki says:

    RE [email protected] and brits, Pakistan three syllables, Pakistani four syllables therefore quite acceptable to reduce to two but [email protected] cannot manage British, a mere two syllables reducing it to one, or, more likely, a term of contempt now used widely, Aussi, Yank, no one cares but this lot are so keen to find offence, whilst they are comitting genocide around the world, to the point where I cannot even use the word; hmm it does make one think how do they get away with it ?

    I object to the term Brit because I consider it bloody lazy as two syllables should not be beyond anyone, as the inability to pronounce the letter T by our many vibrant friends also alongside the ever more popular glottal stop

    Does it never occur to them that their inability to find employemnt may be linked to this poor use of English ?


    • Annunaki says:

      and before anyone says yes, there are mis spelling there not allowed to edit and poor eye sight is my excuse….well maybe is cos i is black innit bruv


  33. Guest Who says:

    Toby is in London. What he retweets as a BBC staffer is a result of his professionalism, integrity and impartiality. Apparently.


  34. Annunaki says:

    RE Bully, I would maybe suggest this as a pre requisite for a President who has the whole establishment against him but a massive mandate to proceed, does that remind us of something else ?

    Pink Floyd said it 40 years ago as did Kafka and Orwell a little earlier


  35. gaxvil says:

    You know if we leave on WTO there’ll be no more European cars sold in the UK. Yes, really, they’ll all pull out like Honda, it’s really true, someone said so.


  36. Annunaki says:

    The BBC encapsulated:
    Franz Kafka[a] (3 July 1883 – 3 June 1924) was a German-speaking Bohemian Jewish novelist and short-story writer, widely regarded as one of the major figures of 20th-century literature. His work, which fuses elements of realism and the fantastic,[4] typically features isolated protagonists facing bizarre or surrealistic predicaments and incomprehensible socio-bureaucratic powers, and has been interpreted as exploring themes of alienation, existential anxiety, guilt, and absurdity

    Go figure, maybe ask TR


    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Annu- I have always been a fan of the great Franz. I’ve only read him in German, but I think pretty spot-on English translations must be available. Well worth a read.
      The interesting question: who, at present, has the more incomprehensible socio-bureaucratic powers to present us with the individual’s nightmare, England or Germany?
      I thought Merkel’s crowd (or Kramp-Karrenbauer’s, for that matter) would win it by a country mile, but since we’ve seen May’s lot in action, I’m not so sure!
      The bbc are a nightmare, but ARD and ZDF don’t compare at all badly…
      Bizarre and surrealistic all, if they have a mind to be. And they quite often do.
      Footnote: The Heads of State are an interesting comparison: we have HM, the Germans have a right-wing hunting Socialist, Walter Steinmeier, whose party has less than 20% support in G.


  37. Guest Who says:

    Well that’s my PADI photo screwed.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Guest – maybe they’ll divide divers into extreme distant ultra far ‘right’ and not ….

      ( using the internationally accepted definition of course ) i e non snowflake .


    • Roland Deschain says:

      Ah, “some people”. The BBC is good at finding the right kind of “some”. Or, where necessary, conjuring them from thin air.


    • Kaiser says:

      purveyors of fake news

      perhaps the alt-right can take ownership of all variations of hand shapes and gestures and then all these left-wing w******s wont be able to touch themselves at night


    • StewGreen says:

      Why has the BBC done thst story just now ?
      Mike Wendling of BBC Trending has obsession about shouting “Alt-right, far-right” in the same manner that people who used to go around signalling they aren’t gay..were actually really really gay… He’s probably got a secret shrine to Hitler in his bedroom.
      On 19th of March he wrote
      \\ The man accused of the Christchurch shootings left a trail of references to online culture and extremist alt-right ideology. When he first appeared in court, Brenton Tarrant flashed an “OK” hand sign.
      It was described in some accounts as a white nationalist symbol, but can more accurately be called a trollish gesture. It’s used by extremists, but also by a range of conservatives, far-right figures and the alt-right – a disparate group of activists who congregate on extreme message boards.//


  38. Guest Who says:


    Rules? For the BBC? Rules are for little people.

    Ps: HuffPo is balanced. Apparently.


  39. gaxvil says:

    Looks like Farage in Edinburgh will be playing a Glasgow Empire.
    Because he’s a homophobe, a racist and the protesters have no idea who TBPs candidates are.
    My twelve year old will say things and say, with irony, ‘Oh I’m a terrible racist’ and as this week they’ve had Pride shoved down their throats he says, ‘Just where is the respect for straight people?’
    He’s twelve, maybe there is hope.


  40. Loobyloo says:

    Not Al Beeb, but I requested postal votes from abroad weeks ago. Nothing yet, and almost certainly can’t get them back in time anyway. Is this a calculated move by the local council?


    • Ian Rushlow says:

      Loobyloo… no problem. Give Tower Hamlets council a call, tell them how many you want and they’ll send them round on a scooter later today. If you’re worried about getting them back in time… again, no problem. Just tell them to complete them on your behalf and save having to wait in for the scooter. There’s a similar service available in parts of Birmingham and some Northern towns.


    • Old Goat says:

      I didn’t get any, either.


    • Mrs Kitty says:

      We got ours in France about 10 days ago.


  41. Fedup2 says:

    The sell out Boris Johnson is going to stand as next Tory leader -then he can go to the conference this year which is being held in a phone box .

    So out of touch .


  42. vlad says:

    Well, we narrowly escaped the government introducing an ‘official definition of Islamophobia’, which would lead to even more censorship, and then blasphemy laws, making any criticism or discussion of islam illegal.

    But it’s only a temporary reprieve. With demographics as they are, islamic influence will only increase, and they’ll be demanding such laws more stridently.

    As the Muslim Council of Britain declares, rather chillingly: “We can only hope that this decision will be revisited.”

    In other words, “We’ll be back!”



  43. Flashman says:

    I listened to Shelagh Fogarty (ex-BBC) on LBC for a few minutes this afternoon around 2pm. She was discussing why The Brexit Party was riding so high in the polls and why the remain parties were not doing so well. Her conclusion was that Farage is a street fighter appealing to emotions and that the remainers were polite and factual. Also on several occasions she referred to Farage (a colleague at LBC) as a liar. I felt I was intruding on her grief but she did console herself by having conversations exclusively with remainers.


    • StewGreen says:

      When libmob , throw smears they are usually projecting themselves.

      eg when Fogarty calls other people “White-supremacist” she projects that is an intolerant “lib-supremacist”.


      • gaxvil says:

        Yes, heard that. Don’t know her that well but the throw away, unqualified, ‘Farage tells lies’ means I’ve removed her from schedule.


  44. fakenewswatcher says:

    It seems the European Court of Justice (an enemy of indigenous European people, if ever there was one) decided a day or two ago, that even criminals who have committed serious crimes cannot be deported from Europe, if they are ‘migrants’, who might be in danger if returned to their own countries (if they make such a claim).
    I gather they automatically become ‘refugees’ under the Geneva Convention. Not sure. Any lawyers around?
    This particular case involved a murderer, a child rapist and a fraudster. Offences were committed in Belgium and the Czech republic, but the criminals could not be returned to the Congo, Ivory Coast or Chechnya, as the EU Court considered them to be ‘refugees’, overriding Belgian and Czech court decisions to withdraw their asylum status. The position and suffering of the victims of these crimes seems of no importance- they have no ‘rights’.
    It appears that national courts can try what they like, and rule what they like, it’s all for nought if the ECJ decides otherwise? Being a ‘migrant’ now apparently gives you an even higher status in court than would be enjoyed by a European? Is this true, does anyone know? Do we want to be a part of this? Someone spoke earlier on here on this site of a Kafkaesque tyranny of faceless bureaucrats; is this not it? IT SEEMS TO BE, IN EVERY SENSE!
    Is there in the UK any politician who can display a little courage, put their foot down, and tell these ‘judges’ to take a running jump into a deep lake?


  45. StewGreen says:

    How many Islamic terrorist attacks has France and Paris had
    Yet when governments make an international plan against Terrorism signed in Paris what do they call it ?

    …. Christchurch Call to Action

    One nation won’t sign
    ..but then its leader isn’t known for Virtue Signalling

    The usual suspects have signed


  46. Thoughtful says:

    Wow iPM radio 4 stuck the knife in the Tories to such an extent it was funny!

    Here’s Nick TImmothy the ex advisor who wrote the botched manifesto which lost her the manifesto.

    He says some inane drivel about everyday she stays on as leader the harder it’s going to be for her sucessor.

    Back to the studio – well that’s what her friends say what about her enemies?

    Not sure after Nick TImothy got the push he’s exactly one of Mays ‘friends’, but I cannot ever imagine them saying this about Labour, however it was so biased, and May is so hated it was actually funny.


    • G.W.F. says:

      This is where I have worries about Trump’s Middle East policies. The civilised world needs to let these savages deal with each other as long as they stay away from Israel.


  47. Fedup2 says:

    Hey what about that ? Guido is reporting that Traitor May got teary at the 1922 committee . Maybe the end of May is coming . June soon .


  48. Guest Who says:

    Just chatting about the Tories like they normally chat.

    Carry on.


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