593 Responses to Start the Week Open Thread 25 February 2019

  1. G.W.F. says:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-47370608

    Skirmish between India and Pakistan. India engages in airstrikes against Pakistani RoPers.
    If this accelerates, Pakistani parents of young children in the Salford area of Manchester should report to the BBC studios so that their children can be dusted and daubed with tears for BBC fake news in support of the Muslim activists.

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  2. Guest Who says:

    https://tradingaswdr.blogspot.com/2019/02/what-better-way.html?

    “March 1st’s key BBC News output, on Brexit, will be led by a ‘carefully-selected’ panel of listeners and viewers. This, from the BBC that’s so expert at selecting a carefully-balanced panel of viewers for Question Time.”

    Trust them.

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  3. Guest Who says:

    Low profile. Smart.

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  4. Halifax says:

    Just watching the new Alan Partridge show on BBC. They have been given an open goal in the world cup final in the 90th minute and they have kicked it over the bar. A complete waste of 30 minutes it’s gone the way of all BBC programmes it’s got it’s share of BME on screen time it doesn’t work…..the North Norfolk Digital was hilarious they couldnt keep thier hands off the format……another nail in the BBC coffin for the sake of diversity.

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    • cromwell says:

      i agree about the Alan Partridge show.What a load of crap, cannot say anymore than that.Totally unfunny, thought i would watch till the end and see if it improved but no it went into typical BBC rubbish. Wont be wasting 30 minutes of my life watching again. i cant believe Coogan was happy with the program. He must be desperate to get back in with the BBC playing to thier tune.

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  5. Lucy Pevensey says:

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    • Doobster78 says:

      Yep. But the likes of Owen Jones , David lammy can sit on Twitter all day spouting as much hatred as they like , unchecked. It’s the far left you see, they can do what the hell they want . Bloody untouchable !!!!!

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    • Nibor says:

      Raheem Kassam has written a book .
      There was a fuss from the ” progressives ” when Lady Chaterleys Lover was censored .
      Does Facebook feel it should censor writers of books ?

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  6. Lucy Pevensey says:

    There’s an update on the Nigerian Preacher.
    Someone made a 999 call about Islamophobia!
    Met Statement
    Arrest outside Southgate Underground Station
    http://news.met.police.uk/news/arrest-outside-southgate-underground-station-360041

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    • Fedup2 says:

      The police are very rapidly becoming the alien occupying force they always tried not to be .

      They’ve always depended on public support but how can they be supported when things like that are done in broad daylight .

      I really hope that a civil action goes forward against the thug who did that to a man with a bible . I’d love to know what Peace he was breaching .

      Maybe the Muslims should have been arrested for threatening a breach of the peace .

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      • G says:

        Fed,
        I’m still smarting from my incident in October 2017 when two ‘officers’ arrived in the darkness to discuss with me my use of the word, “muzzies” as reported to them by a snitch. I no longer support the police and would, as a true citizen, do anything to thwart anything connected to their now one-sided biased role in the criminal justice system.
        I’ll just take a moment to repeat my words of warning: NEVER INVITE THEM IN TO YOUR HOUSE. TO DO SO, GIVES THEM THE POWER TO SEARCH. KEEP THEM AT THE DOOR OR, AS AN ALTERNATIVE, TELL THEM YOU WILL GO TO THEIR STATION (ACCOMPANIED) FOR THEM TO ASK THEIR QUESTIONS THERE.
        If they refuse to leave your property, ask if they are carrying any sprays, tazers, asp. If yes, the civil law concept of trespass becomes criminal, aggravated trespass subject to a Citizens Arrest. Do it.
        https://www.inbrief.co.uk/police/citizens-arrest/

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        • StewGreen says:

          @G Apparently the James Goddard thing shows you should never accept their pre-charging conditions about releasing you.
          Because he agreed to bail conditions even though they hadn’t charged him , they were able to impose *punitive* bail conditions on him.
          Experts had he not agreed to bail, the police, would have imply have to let him go anyway, cos they weren’t ready to charge him.

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    • JimS says:

      “He was escorted from the area and once it became apparent that he would not return, he was dearrested. No further action was taken against him.”

      Meanwhile the Met is being investigated for crimes against the English language. (‘Released’ is the word that a native English speaker would have used – but then I guess there aren’t many native English speakers left in London anymore).

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    • Kaiser says:

      now where is lammy when you need him, white racists arresting a black man

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  7. gb123 says:

    This is from a leftie but has so many things anyone can identify with today.
    I would also add we have governments that destroy democracy and a BBC (I don’t consider them the press) that destroys integrity.

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  8. BRISSLES says:

    Brexit was overtly referred to in Shetland tonight. The storyline is people trafficking -, and Romanian girls being brought into Britain to marry Pakistani men so they can gain an EU passport – before ‘things’ get harder. Actually its clearly a side of trafficking that happens, but I hadn’t give it much thought before.

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  9. taffman says:

    Oh! Look there is a furry animal over there ……………….
    “Fat rat saved from manhole by German animal rescue”
    Is this really news for ‘a so called’ national broadcasting service ? Yep that’s what you all pay your annual telly tax for.

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    • Yob says:

      Well it’s the best that you’re going to get in this day and from Auntie. If it’s not left wing, politically correct right on anti Brexit, than the BBC are at a loose end to show anything news worthy at all…Hence a Kraut Roland rat popping up as their “and finally” moment.

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      • taffman says:

        Yob
        “Well it’s the best that you’re going to get in this day and from Auntie”
        Then they should be taken to the Trading Standards Office for obtaining monies by false pretenses?

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    • Guest Who says:

      It’s the skateboarding turtle community here I feel most sorry for.

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  10. Guest Who says:

    BBC Rádió 4

    ???? Wow. This is a gripping listen.
    A six-part podcast dramatising the Mueller investigation.

    ***

    Wow. The BBC get excited about dramatised stuff that is something folk might have said?

    Gripping.

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  11. Demon says:

    This is a copy of the text I sent to my MP:

    XXXXXXXX, I am contacting you to express my concern, nay fear, that Brexit and the will of the British People will be thwarted by the anti-democrats in the UK Parliament. I used to be a member of the Conservative Party for many years and held some minor positions in my local party. I used to canvass and drop leaflets many times. I even once stood for council. I say this to let you know I am a true Conservative and regard myself as a moderate.

    I have voted Conservative in all General Elections (except for 2010 and 2015 when I voted UKIP). I have nearly always voted Conservative at the local level too but am informing you that if we don’t have a true Brexit then I may never vote Conservative again. I realise that you are a Brexiteer and as such I could easily vote for you on a personal basis, but if the EU-extremists in Parliament prevent democracy from happening then you will never get my vote while you represent the Conservatives. I’m sure there are millions like me, and even if it lets Labour in by the back-door then your EU-extremist colleagues and Mrs May’s handling of this would be to blame, not we Brexiteers. The Conservatives will probably be out of office for 20 years, although it wouldn’t matter as we would still be taking our orders from Germany.

    Please tell your colleagues that most will lose their seats at the next election if they allow true Brexit to fail. Thank you

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    • G says:

      Demon,
      Yes, the political elite in this country need a culling. A coordinated culling. Don’t know how but before the next election, we all need a plan that doesn’t involve Con/Lab/LibDems.

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  12. Nibor says:

    The Panodrama video .

    It gets better the further in you watch . Considering Tommy Robinson doesn’t have the resources or university training that the BBC types have , it’s good . Very very good .

    So how can it be distributed and everyone made aware of it ?
    I’m looking to to likes of Stew , FU 2 and Up2 to have the technical know how to viral this and spread the message of the BBC bias to the whole world . Please can you help ?

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    • StewGreen says:

      @Nibor I am tired and don’t want to say anything rash
      – Often “truth will out”
      – And so far TR’s one step at a time approach has done OK
      …He was illegally jailed and he weathered that one
      – Generally one bides ones time and you take opportunities when they come up, and stay within the law.

      I wonder if FB/BBC needed ban TR precisely cos his video was going to go viral on Facebook

      I will tell Maxi for free that the TR vid has one weakness.. the fired banker, it was claimed he was just fired for expressing a few views, Wasn’t he the leader of Generation Identity UK ? And isn’t that ethno-nationalist ?
      ..the TR doco shouldn’t have made him out to be a random victim.

      However one would start by reading the Breitbart story

      and this Tim Pool video (and Tim Pool is kind of anti-Tommy)
      https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/02/26/tommy-robinson-banned-from-facebook-instagram/

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      • StewGreen says:

        \\ Let me rephrase the BBC appologies for you:
        “Sorry we got caught.” //

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      • G says:

        SG,
        If anyone had suspicions about the media operating in concert up to now, these events have proven absolutely conclusively they are. Along with Soros, the Globalist/US Deep State, EU and all its leaders (including Treason May), the enemy comes into view. No doubt in my mind: it’s them against us and until they are stopped, permanently, any successes in the war will be piecemeal.

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    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      It would be good if he could get it aired on American TV

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      Nick Ferrari plans to talk about TR’s Facebook banning this morning.

      I would urge Twitter users to ask whether he will be talking about Panodrama, or whether he will ignore it altogether like the BBC News At Ten managed last night, as the media closes ranks.

      In my view it is the offer to fabricate sexual allegations that is the worst, though the media possibly thinks the greatest crime is John Sweeney referring to homosexuals as “woofters”.

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      • Guest Who says:

        The sickening hypocrisy of the bbc claiming to hold power to account when it has a hit squad of 20,000 and budget of £5B to target ideological foes with zero accountability via self-assessment, exemptions and establishment complicity is what brought me to this site and others like it.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Nibor – if I could boost availability of the TR video and particularly the conduct of John expense Sweeney I would .
      But I don’t have the ability .

      I wonder if the BBC will wait a while and quietly drop Mr Sweeney who is a loose cannon for the evil empire and is obviously too stupid to keep his mouth shut when it comes to creating propaganda against an enemy of the MSM.

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  13. StewGreen says:

    LUCY BROWN TALKS EXCLUSIVELY TO ALTNEWSMEDIA
    by B-BBC founder David Vance
    https://www.altnewsmedia.net/topical-news-general/lucy-brown-talks-exclusively-to-altnewsmedia

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  14. Loobyloo says:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/entertainment-arts-47374716/oscars-2019-red-carpet-rejection-for-bbc-reporter

    Lol!

    The best bit, at the end when they try to make out that this is really difficult tiring work ???? Pathetic. Bubble world.

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  15. Annunaki says:

    All crawling out of their holes now they have lost:

    ‘Let me bring my wife and children back home’: Disgraced pharmacist, 40, who treated ISIS jihadists in Syria begs to be allowed back into Britain

    Mohammed Anwar Miah left Birmingham in 2014 to sneak into ISIS territory
    He is a suspected jihadi but denies swearing allegiance to the terrorist group
    Kurdish forces have imprisoned him in northern Syria along with the ‘Beatles’
    He said he is proud to be British and wants to return with his wife and children
    Miah believes the UK has a responsibility to bring back and rehabilitate citizens

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6748825/Disgraced-pharmacist-40-treated-ISIS-jihadists-Syria-begs-allowed-Britain.html

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    • Demon says:

      Let the Kurds have their way with him. They will be suitably tough (tuffet?) on this spider.

      Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

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  16. Halifax says:

    Just watching lies on media regarding Indian air force aircraft shot down by Pakistan says it’s an indian Mig 21 it’s not it’s a Hawk which is a trainer with limited attack and defence capability somthing you would use a a point defence or last ditch attack role. So lies all the pictures. Also showed the Indian air force pilot captured by Pakistan with his hands tied behind his back …is that ok ?? Is it how you would expect an armed force to treat thier fellow combatants? His face is also bruised and battered this is caused by the ejection 300mph hitting your face doesn’t do your looks any good.

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  17. Guest Who says:

    Ofcom is keen. A precursor to a national compulsion to pay for EastEnders and the next establishment hit job?

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  18. Guest Who says:

    Looks tough… for those offering dire content without ‘unique funding’.

    https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/recession-media-business-naveen-sarma-1203150258/

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Wow – that’s operation lead balloon if ever I’ve seen it . Paying to watch repeats of stuff you’ve already paid for . With a bit of luck it will hasten the decline of the ‘worlds greatest broadcaster ‘.

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  19. Guest Who says:

    https://variety.com/2019/film/news/emma-thompson-john-lasseter-letter-1203149788/

    Yet she walks the same corridors as did one Jimmy Saville.

    And should Meryl seek a standing ovation stunt double for any mention of Roman…. woo hoo.

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    • JimS says:

      She was the one that sexually harassed Stephen Fry by flaunting her naked body, (..shudders..), in front of him.

      Sauce, Goose, Gander.

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  20. Guest Who says:

    Speaking of who the bbc and luvviedom does not want any business done with, and who it is fine with.

    https://bbcwatch.org/2019/02/27/the-bbc-expert-contributor-and-the-uk-hizballah-designation/

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  21. Jeff says:

    Another hatchet job on Tommy Robinson on LBC. Resident “right wing” wind bag, Nick Ferrari, putting the boot in. He’s interviewed a militant Muslim who agrees that TR should be banned (very sympathetically) and a supporter of TR, who struggled to get a word in. Surprise, surprise!
    Unfortunately for the podgy parasitic lard arse, his callers, thus far, are all on Tommy’s side.
    It’s always refreshing to hear the reasonable opinions of my fellow countrymen and to compare them with the received bigotry of the media.
    Strange though that this ban comes in a day after his Panodrama event in Manchester, don’t you think?
    Maybe not…

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      I heard it. I’d earlier sent a Tweet to Lardarse asking if he’d manage to talk about TR without mentioning Panodrama. He evidently felt that was a challenge which he rose to perfectly. As I’d anticipated, the media closed ranks. And I include the likes of Guido here. They’re all happy for false sexual allegations to be made if you don’t like the person who is being falsely accused.

      As for the interview itself, it was initially promising when Lardarse asked the Muslim activist for an example of what TR had said, and he couldn’t at first. Eventually he came up with a lame example which TR’s supporter attempted to point out was misrepresenting what TR said. However Lardarse spoke all over him in a manner that said to me “I’m not interested, he’s guilty because he’s Tommy Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon”.

      I have to say that by this time I was shouting at the radio, “Stop arguing over hearsay, just put the effing video up on your website and listeners can decide for themselves”.

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  22. Guest Who says:

    So, bbc going to ‘report’ this poll or not wishing to upset the a***s that spread across bbc sofas and seats all day and night?

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  23. Guest Who says:

    Shots fired.

    Classic BBC idiotic questions already.

    Eliot Carver moves into W1A.

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    • Kaiser says:

      seems the indians have now shot down a pakistani jet

      on the bright side pakistan has shut down all commercial flights so the NHS may have a temporary lull in health tourists

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  24. fakenewswatcher says:

    Toady ends off with an anti-Trump piece about a cheque, allegedly signed by Trump, according to Brian from the Washington Post.
    Flew in one ear and out the other, as it fell under my two basic rules about print media reports on Trump:
    1) Never ever believe a single word from anyone from the WP.
    2) Never ever believe a single word from anyone from the NYT.
    These two have only one objective, which they follow blindly: get Trump impeached.
    Anything they have to say on any other matter, along with CNN, BBC etc, can be entirely discounted until confirmed by a variety of other sources worldwide.

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  25. pugnazious says:

    ‘‘This requires the customs union as the basis of the future relationship. They [Britain] must align their rules, but the EU will retain all the controls. They apply the same rules. U.K. wants a lot more from future relationship, so EU retains its leverage.’’

    The Backstop was the EU’s idea and is not, as the BBC keeps telling us, a ‘temporary measure’…the EU intend it to be the basis for the future shape of its agreement…as the Spectator tells us…quoting the EU…the BBC curiously fail to mention this…

    ‘Brussels negotiator Sabine Weyand has told EU ambassadors that the ‘temporary’ backstop may not be so temporary. She has suggested the temporary customs union which forms the basis of the UK-wide backstop will form the basis for the long-term – permanent – relationship.

    In short, Brussels will not want the UK to loosen its trading relationship any further. In comments that will antagonise Brexiteers, Weyand boasted to Brussels that the ‘level playing field’ clauses the UK would sign up to in the backstop cede power to Brussels and puts the EU ‘in the best negotiation position for the future relationship’:’

    The BBC continues to tell a huge lie about the Brexit Backstop…that it was a British government idea, a fabrication that has clearly gone through the editorial guideline process and been approved as the orthodox version of truth that presenters are handed in their briefings…the intent being that the audience ‘understand’ that therefore everything that subsequenty followed is our own fault and we should just get on with it and accept the Backstop.

    This is, as said, a huge lie. A deliberate lie by the impartial, honest as the day is long, truthful and accurate BBC. The Backstop was an EU power-grab, and literally a land-grab., a device created to control and leverage negotiations and to keep Northern Ireland in side the EU…and in effect thence part of Ireland and not part of Britain….a united Ireland.

    Here’s what RTE says…

    ‘The backstop was born on 8 November 2017.

    It entered the world weighing just 66 words, one bullet point of six at the bottom of a “working paper” circulated that morning by Michel Barnier’s team to officials from the 27 member states.

    The bullet point read: “It consequently seems essential for the UK to commit to ensuring that a hard border on the island of Ireland is avoided, including by ensuring no emergence of regulatory divergence from those rules of the internal market and the Customs Union which are (or may be in the future) necessary for meaningful North-South cooperation, the all-island economy and the protection of the Good Friday Agreement.”

    This innocuous-sounding paragraph was the infant that would grow into the single most intractable source of conflict in the negotiations.’

    Here’s what it says in another article…

    ‘the Taoiseach was briefing the Dáil, a paper was being circulated among EU ambassadors in Brussels in which was embedded an explosive suggestion that would raise the stakes on Brexit and Ireland to hitherto unseen heights.

    The paper had been carefully choreographed between the Irish Government and the EU Brexit Task Force, led by the chief negotiator Michel Barnier. So Leo Varakdar was well aware of its contents and importance when he spoke.

    The following day, Thursday 9 November, the paper was presented to officials of the 27 member states who were gathering in a regular Brexit Working Group formation in Brussels.

    The paper was then leaked to RTÉ News, as well as the Daily Telegraph and the Financial Times. It said that the only way to avoid a hard border in Ireland was, essentially, for Northern Ireland to remain inside, or as close as possible to, the customs union and single market.

    Such a scenario would require checks at Belfast and Larne ports and at Northern airports. The border would move off the island and into the Irish Sea.

    This was dynamite.

    The Guardian also states that it was the EU that demanded the Backstop….

    ‘The government has proposed two customs solutions: a partnership, under which Britain would collect import duties on the EU’s behalf, and a high-tech “max-fac” alternative, but the EU has rejected both as unworkable. So Brussels has insisted the UK sign up to a legally binding “backstop” clause, or fallback option, to ensure there is no hard border.’

    Even the BBC’s own explanation of the Backstop says….

    ‘The EU originally proposed a backstop that would mean Northern Ireland staying in the EU customs union, large parts of the single market and the EU VAT system.’

    So can the BBC explain why again and again and again its presenters falsely state that Britain created the Backstop?

    The BBC is trying to play politics here and is fabricating a new ‘truth’, rewriting history in order to create the narrative that the EU isn’t the problem, the problem is British made. In fact that is a complete reversal of what actually happened as shown above. The truth is that the EU and Irish Government, in alliance with the IRA and its threats of violence, created the Backstop in order to dominate the Brexit negotiations making everything dependent upon the border issue…no deal if that isn’t solved…in the EU’s favour of course.

    ‘This is dynamite’

    The BBC doesn’t seem at all keen to acknowledge that the EU has allied itself with a terrorist organisation and is happy to use threat of murder, torture and terror to be part of its negotiating toolbox.

    The Spectator kows the truth when it sees it though and is willing to shout it…..

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    Divide and rule: how the EU used Ireland to take control of Brexit

    ‘To the astonishment of many, the Irish border has become the defining issue of Brexit. There is now a serious and growing risk that the issue will lead to the UK and the EU failing to reach a withdrawal agreement — with all the dire consequences that would entail.
    The EU’s proposed solution is crude. It wants to maintain frictionless trade on the island of Ireland by, if it deems necessary, imposing checks on trade between Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It is a rhetorical trick to say that this safeguards the Good Friday Agreement.

    More importantly, the EU also realised that insisting on progress in Ireland could tie Britain’s hands in the trade negotiations to come. And if Britain had also signed away the money in the withdrawal agreement — which is the plan — Brussels would have got the Brits to throw away their best cards before the main negotiations even began. They remain tantalisingly close to this goal.’

    The BBC is promoting a narrative that is solely in the EU’s interest…the BBC is not working for British interests it is deliberately and relentlessly working in the interests of a foreign power.

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    • gaxvil says:

      Bang on mate!

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Another good piece, pug, well done. Compliments to you, too, for one further up this Thread.

      That cartoon on the Spectator cover is telling, isn’t it? Looks like I’m not the only one thinking that ‘Mutti’ has a secret plan to destroy the EU.

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    • fakenewswatcher says:

      I took it for granted from day one, that a hidden EU objective in the ‘Brexit negotiations’ would be an attempt to dislodge NI from the rest of the UK and work towards Irish ‘reunification’.
      The more the EU claim they do not want to ‘punish’ Britain, the less I believe them.
      I wouldn’t believe a word uttered by Juncker, Tusk, Weiland or Vehofstadt, et al, in principle, as UK departure weakens the EU, especially financially, and they will do all they can to prevent it or damage the UK if it does actually leave. Deceit will be their No1 strategy, cos the stakes are really big.
      You can bet your bottom dollar that Varadkar, Sinn Fein etc have sensed a BIG opportunity here. They obviously won’t mention it, but this is politics and politics is about power (forget morals entirely).
      For Ms May too, it will be all about power. About the only question that remains is whose side she is actually on. (I would have trusted her a little more had she now let those ministers making threats, go ahead and resign. Can’t think they would have been stupid enough to join Chuka’s/Shuker’s little group of ‘independents’, bound for the dustbin of history. but once again: weakness?))

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      • Kaiser says:

        “the only question that remains is whose side she is actually on”

        I dont think thats really in question anymore

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        • vesnadog says:

          Some idiot like myself might think that the real reason why Mrs May was going over to brissels so much recently was because she wanted to see how her new penthouse pad was looking after having all those expensive decorators and painters run to-and-fro through said penthouse. Of course it goes without saying that penthouse was paid for by the EU.

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      • Up2snuff says:

        fnw, generally agree with you but the UK>EU finance thing, I think, is insignificant. You would be correct in saying ‘our departure weakens the EU financially if the UK was in the Euro’ but it is not. The other net-contributor States will have to find £22bn divided between four or six.

        That is small beer in State spending terms. £2bn can be found down the back of sofas in the UK’s big spending Ministries. While most other n-c States may exercise rather more prudence than the profligate UK, they have, IIRC, similar economies and similar size spends.

        The target of course for after our departure will be Luxembourg and their tax dodging. That will be a popcorn moment to behold, once we are out.

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        • Peter Grimes says:

          Is £22 billion the Withdrawal (Surrender) Agreement amount? Most commentators think the £39 bn which keeps being mentioned is the tip of the iceberg, particularly if Treasoner May signs the WA as the EU will tell us what they want, and isn’t our gross ‘contribution’ meant to rise to £23 billion next year and rising? If we go it means no more money to create Polish factories and jobs.

          I’m still waiting for an update on Lord Trimble’s judicial review which was scheduled for last Friday (no, not Good Friday)!

          https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/judicial-review-of-irish-backstop/

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          • Up2snuff says:

            Peter, I heard a mutter from a MP last week or this via the BBC on R4, probably a Brexiteer, that if the MPs sign up to May’s Deal, we will be paying £39bn PLUS a ‘fee’ for EU market access and ‘no visible border’ ad infinitum.

            The WA is not acceptable to me and I hope enough MPs also to see it rejected until 23.00hrs on 29 March 2019.

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    • English Lass says:

      Pug, Brilliant, this is so true and the BBC should be held to account for their blatant biased reporting on it. And what is so appalling is that the backstop (in my humble opinion) by its very nature of carving Northern Ireland off from the rest of the UK is in itself completely in breach of the GFA.
      The BBC’s ‘PUSH OUT OUR AGENDA AS NEWS’ formula has done u told damage.

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  26. Guest Who says:

    They are on a roll today.

    Unprecedented spring weather causing dilemmas on popping the aircon on?

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    • Oldspeaker says:

      Here’s a radical thought, maybe a lot of women just aren’t as interested in the geeky stuff as blokes. “the halls are a sea of testosterone.” laments Zoe Kleinman, looking at the pictures I doubt that.

      And as an afterthought, how dare Zoe Kleinman assume all the attendees identify as male.

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  27. Lucy Pevensey says:

    Guess which side Beeby thinks are the victims.

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  28. Rich says:

    See if you can work out the problem here. Apparently it’s Brexit but how and why isn’t really clear to me. Anyone?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/47378038

    Does this ex -Deutsche bank eejit think that Portrush is in the Republic of Ireland? I’m sure that local MP Ian Paisley Jr of the DUP or the 88% of the local population who don’t consider themselves Irish could help him out with his lack of geographical knowledge.

    These people, and of course the bBBC, just get more and more ridiculous by the day.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Rich
      I think you’ll find irelande is just a region of the ReichEU. Coming soon sadly .

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      • Rich says:

        Oh I know that’s the way the EU see it and the bBBC want it Fed, but this story is so full of nonsense that it’s embarassing.

        Why would they bring any containers through Dublin to intentionally cross a possibly contentious border, and I stress possibly, when the ports of Belfast, Larne and Warrenpoint are all available and make this unnecessary?

        They just keep sowing the seeds.

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  29. StewGreen says:

    R4 metrolib Woman’s Hour
    “Next week is Gay Adopting & Fostering Week”
    ” a look at LGBTQ adoption
    … and why it is hard for black women to find business investment.”
    \\ Edinburgh-based St Andrew’s Children’s Society is working with LGBT nightclubs to encourage awareness of LGBT adoption.
    Why choose a nightclub to promote adoption?
    And why are there relatively few LGBT couples adopting in Scotland in the first place? //

    \\ Does ‘the black tax’ exist in UK venture capital?
    An article published Goodsoil Venture Capital says there is reason to believe that black women-led businesses have a lower probability of securing venture capital investment than their male and female counterparts. Jenni is joined by Senior Partner at GOODsoil Venture Capital, Charmaine Hayden and tech entrepreneur and founder of the Women in the City Afro-Caribbean Network, Mariam Jimoh.//
    .. I used to live at University of Pennsylvania in 1988..The city had gone affirmative action mad, and virtually every company applying for a government contract was fronted by a black woman
    .. I would have thought the similar would apply here now ..and that banks would be falling over each other to show how “cool” they are by lending to black female businesses.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0002qzt

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    • David R says:

      Banks are not fools. They are ultra cautious and do not like to lend money to anyone who cannot show that they do not need to borrow.

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    • Zelazek says:

      Yes, Stew, the fact that there are so few LGBT couples in Scotland adopting children is certainly a burning question as well as a national disgrace. What is the country of John Knox playing at?
      But something has been bothering me for a long time about the B bit of LGBT and if anyone can help me I would be grateful. If bisexuals should have equal rights like the rest of us, shouldn’t they be the one group that is allowed to marry two people, one of each sex? After all, if they can only marry one person, there could be another part of their identity that is being denied sexual expression, which to the progressive mind is of course a great evil, or they could have formed an additional sexual relationship that is not being recognised by the state, which to the progressive mind must be some kind of bigoted discrimination. Shouldn’t the proscription on bigamy be lifted for at least this one group? And if each bisexual wanted to live in the same house with both their spouses, wouldn’t the minimal bisexual marital unit turn out in practice to be at least a foursome? Could that domestic set-up even work?
      As you can see, I like to try to understand the positions of my ideological enemies and think things through to their logical conclusion but I often end up in a tangle. Please help me, someone.

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  30. Fedup2 says:

    The Radio 4 has a programme called “The Vibrancy of Muslim Culture “ presented by the Alibi -Brown.

    Apparently it’s not fiction or a comedy . Peachy eh?

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    • StewGreen says:

      Actually the title seems the opposite ..see my post below.

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      • StewGreen says:

        @Fedup2 Oops my error
        You are right there is a secondary title “The vibrancy of Islamic culture”
        but then the text contradicts that
        \\ Yasmin Alibhai-Brown asks why, as Western culture moved from Puritanical to vibrant and liberal,
        .. the opposite appears to have happened in Islamic countries.//

        ah yes the secondary title would have been made that way to be clickbaity to R$’s bubbleworld of metro-liberals
        The main title is “From Sensuality to Puritanism: How Muslim Cultures turned Grey”

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        • Fedup2 says:

          Stew – the moment I saw the title and who was presenting it I moved on – as with so much of the output of the biased State broadcaster .

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    • vesnadog says:

      Wonder if Pakistan state TV adds show black/white couples? You know, lying on the latest burqua-bed or on their new Imam-sofa together?.

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  31. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Just when are our ‘leave’ leaders going to do something?

    In Parliament the remainers must be cock a hoop because absolutely everything is going their way.
    Concession after concession given to the eu, a reMAYner pm, cabinet and speaker with most of the so called ‘honourables’ all fighting against the democratic vote to leave the eu.

    We have the likes of JRM who, although knowledgeable is far too polite to actually do anything, lots of so called brexiteers like Leadsom and Gove who are ineffectual and only a few like Bridgen and Redwood who actually try to get the referendum vote carried out.

    We have almost nobody doing anything for us.
    Shows like QT with 4 remoaners against 1 leaver are the norm for all the media.
    Not one pro Brexit program ever.
    Project fear.
    Continuous lies broadcast such as May saying her deal is the Brexit we voted for when it is absolutely not.
    Hiding all the horrors of staying in.

    Where are our voices in all this.
    We are going down with a whimper.
    Where is the fire and fury.
    When will we start the fight back.
    Revenge in 2022 at a general election may be sweet but the remoaners could well have us stitched up by then and it would be a hollow victory removing the likes of Rudd when she and her conspirators have denied the Brexit we voted for.

    Not only that, media like Facebook is steadily removing anyone not on the left so our views are getting even less publicity day by day.

    When will the pendulum swing back in our favour.
    The longer this goes on the more bloody will be the fight back.

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    • G says:

      EG,
      Yes, a dearth of significant Brexiteers appearing on our far left Marxist State Broadcasters air waves (has the likes of Daniel Hannan et al. passed away?) I concluded a while back that they may not be at fault. Could be our, “Most Trusted” did not invite them to participate in any debate or balance the news. That’s true Marxism for you. Vote for a small ‘c’ and that’s what you get.

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    • Banania says:

      ” the more bloody will be the fight back.”
      Do let us hope so!

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  32. StewGreen says:

    If Tommy wrote this , would he be treated to Radio 4 airtime ?
    \\ No Muslim nation offers basic liberties to its citizens.
    Artistic and scientific excellence cannot come out of such brutishness and misery.
    I found small shoots of resistance among the young.
    But Saudi Arabia and Iran are still around, still exporting their joyless ideologies.
    So I don’t expect the Islamic renaissance any time soon. // .. source

    At 11am The person that wrote that : yes YAB
    is presenting one of her 2 progs about Muslims on Radio4
    \\Yasmin Alibhai-Brown asks why, as Western culture moved from Puritanical to vibrant and liberal, the opposite appears to have happened in Islamic countries.//
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0002r01

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  33. pugnazious says:

    BBC getting very excited that the daughter of a Putin aide is working as an intern for an MEP with links to Farage….

    Putin spokesman Peskov’s daughter working for EU

    ‘Concerns have been raised after it emerged that Elizaveta Peskova, the daughter of Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, is interning for a French member of the European Parliament.

    The right-wing MEP Aymeric Chauprade said Ms Peskova’s internship with him began in November 2018 and would run until late April.
    With European Parliament elections in May, there are fears that Russia may seek to influence the polls, as it has been accused of doing in France and elsewhere.
    The question for critics is exactly what material Ms Peskova will have access to.’

    However….

    ‘A Parliament spokeswoman confirmed that Ms Peskova could go to any public meeting or delegation meeting as long as it was not restricted or held in private. Interns did not have access to confidential documents but would have access to the email database, she said.’

    Hmmm…BBC not bothered at all that Merkel, the putative leader of the EU, was raised in East Germany, was an enthusiastic Young Communist working in propaganda and was there at the same time a certain KGB officer was also working there….Vladimir Putin….any wonder the US was bugging her phone?

    ‘ According to her former colleagues, she openly propagated Marxism as the secretary for “Agitation and Propaganda”‘

    ‘Former German Transport Minister Günther Krause — an eastern German politician who worked with her in the final months of the GDR and as a fellow minister in the government ex-chancellor Helmut Kohl in the early 1990s — contradicts her in the book and says she propagated Marxism-Leninism.

    “With Agitation and Propaganda you’re responsible for brainwashing in the sense of Marxism,” he said. “That was her task and that wasn’t cultural work. Agitation and Propaganda, that was the group that was meant to fill people’s brains with everything you were supposed to believe in the GDR, with all the ideological tricks. And what annoys me about this woman is simply the fact that she doesn’t admit to a closeness to the system in the GDR. From a scientific standpoint she wasn’t indispensable at the Academy of Sciences. But she was useful as a pastor’s daughter in terms of Marxism-Leninism. And she’s denying that. But it’s the truth.” ‘

    Merkel was not just one anonymous face amongst many….Someone had noted her Russian language skills and she was chosen to go to Moscow in recognition of that skill.

    Any coincidence that Merkel’s decision to open Europe’s borders to mass immigration came just before Putin was raising the issue and using it to stir the pot…

    ‘Putin blames US for migrant crisis in Europe’

    And shortly after we hear….

    ‘Refugees are becoming Russia’s weapon of choice in Syria ‘

    ‘Russia and Syria are deliberately using migration as an aggressive strategy towards Europe, the senior Nato commander in Europe has said.

    US Gen Philip Breedlove said they were “weaponising” migration to destabilise and undermine the continent.

    He also suggested that criminals, extremists and fighters were hiding in the flow of migrants.’

    You could ask if this was Merkel’s stupidity/naivete with Putin taking advantage of the situation or was there more to this?….fling open the borders and then have Putin force out Syrians knowing they will flood into Europe causing not just short term chaos and instability but long term demographic, social, cultural and political conflict….with the future break up of European countries as a Western, democratic, liberal bulwark the aim….and if you think the infiltration of Islam into Europe and Muslim insistence on separate states being carved out of non-Muslim countries aren’t a problem then just look at the news today as Pakistan and India face off over Kashmir….or Myanmar…the seeds of which conflict are sown by Muslim demands for an independent Muslim region.

    Just an amusing conspiracy theory of course but if the BBC is going to get excited about a temporary intern then maybe they should raise a few concerns about the apparent ‘leader of the freeworld’ being a Putin puppet. LOL.

    Get a room…..
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    • G says:

      Pug,
      A lovely photo: ‘A match made in heaven’. A solid couple of Commies together………….

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    • StewGreen says:

      The context is that a *blasphemylaw-supporting BBC activist* just met with tech corps and is claiming credit for getting one the UK’s main political figures banned from Facebook.
      \\ Shafiq had to apologise live on TV when asked about encouraging death threats towards
      @MaajidNawaz by @NickyAACampbell on The Big Questions. Stop covering for the slimy islamist extremist.//
      ..Ah Anne Marie Waters video ives background
      https://twitter.com/AnthonyJ_48/status/1100576808842526720

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      • StewGreen says:

        That tweet is not showing up , So I’ll repost it

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      • pugnazious says:

        No good expecting our politicians to do anything…..Soubry co-leads the All Parliamentary Group On British Muslims [yes…it really exists] who penned the recent report producing a supposed definition of ‘Islamophobia’…

        ‘Report on the inquiry into a working definition of Islamophobia / anti-Muslim hatred’

        Who advised them? Cage, Mend, The Ramadhan Foundation, Miqdaad Versi from the MCB, Akeela Ahmed of the Cross-Government Working Group on Anti-Muslim Hatred….and let’s not forget thee ‘Islamophobia Response Unit’….along with a myriad of other Muslim activists and pro-Muslim voices.

        Don’t expect the BBC to stand up to these people…they of course hate Facebook anyway but are not going to criticise them for closing down TR and people like him. In fact they support these groups who force facebook to ‘bow to their demnds’…

        ‘Facebook bows to campaign groups over ‘hate speech”

        ‘Facebook has said it will review how it deals with “controversial, harmful and hateful” content after admitting current measures are not effective.

        The admission follows sustained pressure from campaign groups, advertisers and the media.

        An open letter from several feminist groups urged Facebook to ban pages that they said promoted violence.’

        Listened to ‘Thought for the Day’ this morning….we were told that the Met. Police just didn’t represent the London community…it needs to have a ratio of Bame officers in relation to the population.

        So….why has the BBC had two Muslims who run their religious programming, and why do we have so many Bame people, far beyond the ratio in the UK now, on the BBC? Shouldn’t the BBC represent the UK population?

        And another government group provides you with a clue how things are going….a group that has the power and influence to crush people like Tommy Robinson and control the media and public narrative about Muslims…it is packed with Muslim members and has every government department on-board ready to act on their word to suppress any negative stories or sentiment about Islam or Muslim behaviour….one member is the Far-Left ‘Hope Not Hate’s’ Nick Lowles….lol…

        Click to access AMHWG_Draft_TOR.pdf

        Anti-Muslim Hatred Working Group

        Draft Terms of Reference for the Anti-Muslim Hatred Working GroupThe Working Group has been established to consider and take forward proposals to tackle Anti-Muslim Hatred.

        The Group will:
        •Report to MHCLG Ministers
        •Take forward key priorities identified in collaboration between the Group and the Government by ensuring:
        •each recommendation is taken fully to implementation stage with the support of the secretariat and other Government departments as required
        •that any difficulty in delivery of the recommendations is examined with the secretariat and a counter-strategy is agreed to ensure each recommendation is achieved
        •Review trends in anti-Muslim sentiment and hatred and suggest appropriate action(s) to be taken by communities and the Government
        •Build partnerships with key partners and other Government Departments to progress the work of the Group
        •Engage with Muslim communities to:
        •invite input on key priorities as required
        •facilitate meetings and initiatives with communities and local service providers, police, interfaith groups etc. to progress the groups priorities
        •respond to local, national and international events that impact the communities
        •Communicate key messages on Anti-Muslim Hatred and respond to national issues in the media as a Group – liaising with MHCLG on any communication.
        •Government Departments will provide regular updates at meetings about relevant developments in their areas of work

        The cross-government Anti-Muslim Hatred Working Group is made up of representatives from the Muslim community, independent experts, academics, and government departments. The group considers and takes forward proposals to tackle anti-Muslim hatred.

        [Its members include] Representatives from the following Government departments/offices: Attorney General’s Office (AGO) Cabinet Office (CO) Crown Prosecution Service (CPS)Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS)
        3 Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government (MHCLG)Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS)Department for Education (DfE)Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO)Home Office (HO)Ministry of Justice (MoJ)Department for Transport (DfT)

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        • G says:

          Pug,
          There really is an increasing massive bill for the islamists to pay in due course. If the Brits eventually stand up and be counted.

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    • Lobster says:

      Pug – I wonder if the BBC are equally concerned that one of their news presenters (Sarah Smith) is the daughter of former Labour leader John Smith?

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    • Zelazek says:

      This quote from that piece really got me, Stew.
      “It’s important for people who are white to talk about their opinions on race. It shouldn’t be down to black people to have to talk about it.”
      You’ve got to laugh, haven’t you? No wonder that the last person on Radio 1 that I liked was Emperor Rosko.

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  34. StewGreen says:

    Police lose case ,they DID descriminate against “white, heterosexual male”

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  35. Beltane says:

    Norman Smith on News at One reveals the depths to which Chris Williamson is happy to descend for his Momentum audience – except that the video clip got clipped just before the prolonged and enthusiastic applause which greeted his anti-Semitic bile – because that might have revealed too vividly where Momentum and its brownshirt loyalties lie.
    But what’s new? Momentum founder Jon Landsman, a Jew, is more than happy to renounce his loyalties and heritage in order to pander to the increasing levels of muslim involvement in local and party politics, and the bloc votes they represent. That, more than any other factor, is the reason for the dramatic rise in anti-Semitism throughout the UK, but it simply doesn’t do to say so. Not in the media, anyway.
    The same moral duplicity applies to Brexit, in particular the Irish border situation so succinctly explained by Pug yesterday. But another aspect has also slipped through when, in the BBC finance text pages, the reason for the dramatic rises in Sterling against dollar and euro is apparently due to the possibility of an extension to Article 50.
    No it isn’t, it’s due to the vastly overvalued euro coming ever closer to collapse, the cliff-edge recession of the German economy, the increasing risk of Italy opting out of the euro, and the imminent continuation of orchestrated civil disobedience in France. And while Donald Trump continues to promote the increasing likelihood of stronger US/UK trade ties. That’s why the £ is doing well – but don’t expect to hear it on the BBC.

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    • Beltane says:

      PS. BBC added that the £ slipped back later. No it didn’t, it continued to rise and has done so throughout the day – euro trading rate currently stands at 1.17 to the £ and the $ at 1.33.

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  36. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC Online News:

    “”Shooting range criticised for Shamima Begum target””

    “”A shooting range in Merseyside has been criticised for using images of IS bride Shamima Begum as a target.””

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47386100

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    • pugnazious says:

      Yes…don’t worry, Victoria Derbyshire is on the case…..

      No problem with Thatcher or Trump images which must have been there for years….in fact the BBC has absolutely no problem with the MSM and celebrities encouraging people to assassinate Trump….the BBC’s own torrent of anti-Trump hate and abuse undoubtedly contributed to the actual assassination attempt on Trump by a British man.

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  37. StewGreen says:

    former aide to Tony Blair/Major has been convicted of rape for the second time in a month. Mark Adams
    https://stv.tv/news/east-central/1435851-former-blair-aid-raped-teenage-student-at-edinburgh-fringe/

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  38. StewGreen says:

    friend of a failed ISIS suicide bomber has been jailed
    for 8.6years
    after police uncovered his plan to use a martyr’s video to sign up to the terror group

    Why are these stories so played down ?

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  39. gaxvil says:

    Priorities huh? So Trump – a mega rich deal maker fiddled his tax, had some affairs, screwed some people over, tried to get one over on the competition and is free with his opinions? Who in his position hasn’t.
    Maybe they miss Kim waving his nukes around although Pakistan / India are trying to fill that gap. That could cause some ‘global warming’ and then some to be sure.

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  40. StewGreen says:

    Times : Channel migrants so sure of avoiding deportation that they phone police to act as taxis for them.
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/migrants-are-phoning-police-to-collect-them-from-channel-boats-85jw5w3xx

    Anyway small numbers “nothing to woy about” say libmob

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  41. Oldspeaker says:

    “BBC and ITV set to launch Netflix rival”
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47383559

    Straight to comments, the unwashed and Amazonian cannibals are onto them. Get yours in quick, can’t see them leaving hys open for long.

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  42. StewGreen says:

    Global Radio is centralising more presenter jobs
    At breakfast time there are now 43 different shows acoss the country. but now they’ll be reduced to a few shows produced from London
    Drivetime will be reduced to a small number of region bases.

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  43. G.W.F. says:

    Any doubts about a coordinated media attack on Tommy Robinson refer to Amazon banning his book and removing ads for it.
    Tell Mama – a BBC favourite – has the news.

    https://tellmamauk.org/amazon-removes-tommy-robinsons-book-on-islam-from-sale/?fbclid=IwAR1vQ4zDCXCDpoP7EuKbnhNmAQ8IKbUW3aOkPRi4fA0cVDvgBhiqFErfpBs

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    • Doublethinker says:

      Tommy isn’t the only one to fave concerted action to silence him and he won’t be the last. The whole Globalist elite are determined to silence any and all dissent from their world view. We can see how effective they are in the USA where evidence that elite their tried to mount a coup to remove President Trump is overwhelming but there is little reporting of it . instead Trump gets it in the neck at every opportunity for stories which are fictitious and the MSM know that they are. The elite are rushing to ensure that social media is under their control in the same as the MSM is. This happens right across the West .
      Democracy has long since been overturned and in its place we have an oligarchy which is self perpetuating. When people realise that their votes counts for nothing what are their options? But a crucial question is , if the MSM is part of the ruling elite and if social media is also firmly in the elite’s control , how will the people even know they are living in an oligarchy?

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  44. Doublethinker says:

    A couple of weeks ago I posted that if Brexit happens it will be in large part because MPs who would like it not to , are scared of the reaction of their constituents if they vote against it. I thought how grateful I was for FPTP .
    But i should now add to that , that if Brexit doesn’t happen or we only get a Brino , then I will be supporting PR for our UK elections. I know many on this site have argued that for years, With PR UKIP could have had 50 plus MPs and Brexit would be safe. I have stuck by the Tories in every domestic election for the past forty odd years but the time has come to abandon them. Not just because of their attempts to sabotage Brexit but also because of their support for endless migration from the third world , which to my mind is an existentialist threat to our way of life. But with FPTP there is very little chance of any new party winning power but with PR and the consequent fracturing of the stranglehold of the main parties , we could vote for politicians who would oppose migration and , in the inevitable coalitions that PR produces , they would influence out of all proportion to their number. We might begin to get what the people really want.
    On another tack I am very keen to watch the next Olympic women’s events with all these trans competitors winning gold silver and bronze in just about every event. I’m sure that the BBC will be seeking out a trans presenter and preparing the ‘ narrative’ as to why having biological males competing in women’s events is a good thing. I do hope that the Olympic committee doesn’t introduce a trans gender category of competitor who compete for their own medals so we would have Olympic champions in men’s, women’s and transgender events. It would spoil all the fun.

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  45. StewGreen says:

    Interesting that all the time Libmedia have been concerned about BAME students at Oxford and Cambridge, they failed to tell us that the total number of British students there keeps falling
    .. as the unis recruit better paying foreign students
    7% fall in 10 years
    So if ten years ago 1,000 Brits got in … that would mean that 850 should be white British and 150 British BAME of that 30-40 should be black British
    So the media have been bitching about a handful of blacks missing out

    but if the same 1000 had applied last year the 7% drop means 930 would have got in , So about 60 white and 10 BAME miss out.

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  46. gaxvil says:

    Funding of the bbc by compulsorily subscription is all well and good for them but this new venture screams, desperation and fear.
    Without the TV tax they would need to operate in the real World where people are happy and willing to pay for their content.
    I just wonder how many have a license but watch little or no bbc ?
    An ever increasing number I reckon and with ITV up against it they will never be able to compete with the likes of NETFLIX.
    Unless of course they can up the license by around ten fold?

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  47. G says:

    “It is clear that there is no apetite in the country for the UK leaving the EU without a deal”. So said Laura Coonsberg yesterday evening. Followed by the female, Adler who smiled benevolently visibly relieved at the developments yesterday.
    Its so reassuring to know that the likes of that duo and all behind them employed by our very own Marxist State Broadcaster has the 17.4 million who voted ‘out’, at heart.

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  48. Beltane says:

    ‘Macron promises to block any extension or delay in Article 50’.
    ‘Alors mes amis, you know you can always rely on the French to help out in times of adversity. Trust me.’ Chas. De Gaulle

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