Start the Week Open Thread 18 February 2019

39 days or 6 Weeks until A50 expires .Whatever happens we are to be witness the greatest challenge to democracy since a small German attempted to take it away some 80 years ago .

The small German had Goebbels to help him  . The current version is the BBC

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502 Responses to Start the Week Open Thread 18 February 2019

  1. Dystopian says:

    Talk Radio news have just made it perfectly clear that Honda have told the government that their decision to close the Swindon factory has NOTHING to do with Brexit.
    I repeat NOTHING to do with Brexit.
    Are the biased BBC highlighting this fact with their world class FACT checking service?

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  2. Doobster78 says:

    I heard this on the way in today …….. you would think by now the BBC would get the vibe that us ordinary folk are sick to the back to teeth of this gender muck … alas no

    Now imagine if it was the other way round ? The fact that 3 times as many WOMEN appeared on the list would be celebrated and that would be absolutely fine and dandy. Like i always say, sexism and racism, only ever work one way.

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    • Guest Who says:

      “This Tweet has been deleted”

      Happens a lot these days, especially at the youth end, despite ‘views my own’.

      Joey at work still?

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      • StewGreen says:

        Strange cos if the Tweet had been completely deleted the box in @Doubster78’s post would be blank
        ..cos it’s content is not on our servers but on the Twitter servers
        So despite appearing deleted the tweet is still right now on Twitter’s servers.

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  3. Fedup2 says:

    Toady Watch
    “This was not a brexit related issue “ says the head of Honda is Europe -as to the reasons the factory is closing .
    But the BBC won’t have this . It’s used the “some say “ technique to claim use this incident as an anti brexit project Fear weapon .

    And it’s going to get worse

    Maybe the BBC should get the Harrabin to say that 10000 job losses is a good thing because of the end of diesel and the need for electric cars .

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  4. Up2snuff says:

    ‘Business demands certainty.’

    Yeah, right.

    Motor Industry at Budget time and tax increases? Motor industry under attack from enviro mentalists and switch to diesel? Motor industry under attack from environmentalists and end of new petrol and diesel?

    Didn’t get it, did it?

    You cannot buck the market.

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  5. Fedup2 says:

    BBC news watch

    Apparently chaps do more music now than Wimmin and the charts arnt equal . This in BBC World is wrong .

    There seems to be an internal drive within the BBC to make every thing – every thing – 50 – 50 . A kind on totalitarian madness making that organisation ridiculous .

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Except justice, Fed. The BBC appears to be happy for a woman to get lesser prison sentences than a man for the same crime.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Yes Up2

        And teaching
        And parenting
        And – make a list .

        The BBC is going to another Project Fear lie today . I’m guessing it will be another inflammatory line from Tusk or Barnier but won’t take long for it to come along .

        On a different matter it looks like Mcdonell is going to have to formally take over the lead of the Labour Party before the next election
        Corbyn can get on with his rhubarb on the allotment …

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        • StewGreen says:

          Often hear a feminist speaker say
          “We, want equality
          .. and if we get more women in, they will bring their intuition”
          ie a sexist statement saying men are inferior

          or “If there were more women on the trading floor, there would be less aggression”
          … again they are stereotyping men/women

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  6. Sluff says:

    Anyone listening to Toady at 0650 would have heard a jovial knockabout ‘interview’ between Toenails Robinson and none other than……..Derek Hatton (ex Militant Tendency, denounced by Neil Kinnock for hiring taxis to go round handing out redundancy notices), who has just rejoined the Labour Party !!!!
    All very chummy.
    The present Labour Party does not want to make capitalism work more fairly, it wants to destroy it, regardless of cost and the effect on ordinary people.
    Venezuela, here we come.

    PS anyone care to give examples of where socialist economies have outperformed market-based ones in the last 50 years?
    Well, except in the state broadcasting sector.

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  7. Up2snuff says:

    A little local geographical difficulty for the BBC and Nick Robinson on TODAY this morning. “We are joined by XXXX, a lecturer at Aston Business School which is close by Honda’s Swindon plant.” Or words to that effect, ‘not far from’ or ‘nearby’.

    Those no so quite as widely travelled at taxpayers’ expense as our Nick, happen to know that Aston Business School is in Birmingham and Swindon is in, well, Swindon. Over 80 miles apart.

    Dear old BBC. Don’t you just love ’em for their disasters!

    Of course, others might call it FakeNews or, at least, FalseFacts.

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  8. gaxvil says:

    ‘Socialism is fine until you run out of other people’s money.’

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  9. Doobster78 says:

    Still at it …

    DISGUSTING.

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    • StewGreen says:

      The second image is a screenshot photo, so could be fake
      However the discussion in his thread implies
      that really was the original BBC preview
      but they have re-edited the page and replaced it
      That’s why the image at the top fetched from the BBC server is different.

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      • Doobster78 says:

        Yes. Couldn’t believe it .. i checked the BBC website when i saw it and it was 100% there ….

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  10. Fedup2 says:

    Rebecca wrong daily MP was on Toady . She was allowed to go off on one over brexit which she doesn’t like . Martha the bee keeper let he go on .

    Martha didn’t raise Rebecca’s speak last week about “ decarbonising Britain” and frowning a “ Green economy”

    So we might think Rebecca woukd celebrate the closure of a diesel plant .

    But Martha didn’t challenge – no talk about the environment – and Rebecca got a BBC free pass.

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  11. gaxvil says:

    Good Lord, people do seem to have become particularly silly over the last few years.
    We should be fairly happy in this country. We are not at war, we have a level of security and social care and so on and yet because we don’t have enough gay, black women footballers being paid the same as the men – it’s the end of the World with the weeping and the gnashing of teeth.

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  12. digg says:

    Ah Swindon! nothing to do with the “holy green’ vilification of nasty oil-burning engines. It’s Brexit of course!

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    • Fedup2 says:

      The mentally challenged disciple of Goebells – Alistair Campbell – has given an interview to The Guardian saying the passing of Humphrys on Toady should make the BBC R4 ‘less middle aged “ and “less middle classed”.

      My reaction ? Why give a creature like him attention ? Why does his opinion matter ? Does he listen to R 4 ? It’s infantile – propaganda laden output .

      Fewer and fewer listening and we here know why .

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      • gaxvil says:

        Fed,
        Errrr ……………… I think with a salary of half a million plus, anyone would become, ‘middle class’.
        As for your second point, for some reason words from media stars, has beens and the most minor of celebs have become like words from the oracle. Yesterday, Hatton sprung to mind so they had to have him on.

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        • Fedup2 says:

          Gav
          On the upside at least we don’t hear Campbell going on about thick brexiters as much as he did .

          My view on R4 is that it largely appeals to snowflake metro Wimmin with no sense of humour. I grew up with R4 but I don’t even look at the schedule any more . Same with the TV output .

          I guess I’m becoming a YouTube Netflix refugee …no tv tax

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      • TrueToo says:

        FedUp2,

        Apparently Campbell doesn’t have too many brain cells left. How would the departure of a man aged 75 make R4 less middle-aged?

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        • BigBrotherCorporation says:

          The term (according to my parents) is ‘late middle age’… which seems to last until you’re past 90 odd.

          Campbell himself is 61, which he probably considers ‘early middle age’?

          Mind you, with so many ‘kidults’ in their 30s, that would make me a ‘young adult’ (again)… yahey!

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          • TrueToo says:

            BigBrotherCorporation,

            Well, maybe Campbell will live till 122, at which time he’ll be able to claim he was middle-aged back in 2019.

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  13. Doobster78 says:

    Why are we so feckin soft on this in this country ???

    Extract – For a while he had considered making the trip in an inflatable rubber boat. The smugglers made it sound quite safe, promising that one of them would travel in the boat with the migrants for 14 miles.

    “When you go to English water they then call the police, the police come to help take you to England. Every smuggler says like this,” Azis says.

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    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      The invasion comes by land and by sea.
      https://www.metro.news/child-among-34-migrants-plucked-from-channel-boat/1442749/
      34 invaders. 1 woman and 1 child among them.
      34 invaders yet only 3 arrested.

      HM Coastguard said it was ‘committed to safeguarding life around the seas and coastal areas of this country. We are only concerned with preservation of life, rescuing those in trouble and bringing them safely back to shore, where they will be handed over to the relevant partner emergency services or authorities.”

      “The preservation of life”

      Until the next bombs start going off.

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      • theisland says:

        Lucy
        This is sickening.

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        • taffman says:

          The government is not looking after our people. They were fully aware of the impending situation a long time ago and did nothing of use. They should be building patrol vessels manned by the Royal Navy with orders to intercept and return aliens back from whence they came. Or adopt the successful Australian method of border control. We have plenty of islands of our shores .
          Nigel Farage warned of this – years ago!
          Swindon will have floor space and skilled men that can adapt to building boats.

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          • gaxvil says:

            Couple of years back they announced the building of several patrol vessels since the navy is rather strapped for boats. Not sure what became of said vessels?

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  14. Terminal Moraine says:

    Black, female, New York based Guardian writer Dream McClinton sounds like a fake invention; an auto-generated creation straight out of some liberal fantasy.

    But here she is, writing about the ‘art form’ that’s the subject of a new Netflix doc and which she says African Americans are struggling to preserve. That art form turns out to be roller skating. In Guardianland roller skating is far more than a childhood nostalgia trip or a recreational pastime — it’s a “cultural connector with generational ties.” And the reasons for its decline are (of course) corporate greed, heavy-handed policing and racist rink owners. With three rinks closing every month in the US (has there ever been a less troublesome statistic in the history of journalism?), the real crime all this highlights is “dwindling black cultural spaces”. Who would have guessed.

    Funny how the decay of ‘generational ties’ and ‘cultural spaces’ only ever bothers the Guardian in certain cases and never others e.g. Whitechapel, Luton, Bradford, my high street etc.

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    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      TM
      Could it be that many kids are more interested in pressing buttons & playing video games these days? Rather than being physically active? Whatever their skin colour?

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      • Terminal Moraine says:

        Lucy, it seems to be mostly black adults from that trailer and the loss of skate rinks, but they could all be factors. Not sure if that fits the desired narrative of ‘communities’ being oppressed though

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Terminal

      John motson got into trouble for calling a footballer

      Big Black and Brave

      Apparently that’s bad . The threshold for a ‘ twitter storm ‘ seems to be getting lower . One day – probably when we are all long gone – when sanity prevails – they’ll look back at this period and say ‘wtf’ . And I think that the most valid terminology .

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      • Terminal Moraine says:

        Fedup, I saw that and wondered also if this means we’ll be told to edit him out of 40 years of football. I’ll wait to hear what John Barnes says once he’s finished with the Liam Neeson interviews.

        Wtf indeed.

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  15. thirdoption says:

    I’m looking forward to the announcement from Chukka Ummuna and the rest of the Independent Group of MP’s who have left the Labour Party as to whether it will be a hard or soft split.

    Will they maintain a political union with Labour and will they share policies?

    When will they be allowing their constituents to have a peoples vote on their decision?

       43 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      And a hard border where the 7 sit in parliament .
      Maybe they can go visit the MP for Peterborough ? During visiting time and ask her if she wants to join them when she is released on probation .

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  16. Guest Who says:

    The number of sound bites that can be used here is epic.

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  17. G says:

    The Jihadi bride.
    I’m fed up with the continuing speculation and debate on this subject. Let’s get real: one call from the Muslim Council to Treason May will sort her trasportation out. Probably throw in a private charter plane as well, compliments of the RAF.

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  18. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    When both Carswell and Reckless left the Tory Party and joined UKIP they resigned as MPs and stood for election in the by election.

    Will the magnificent 7 plus any other of the anti democrats who join Chuckies new gang have the decency to do the same thing, after all, they call themselves ‘honourable’ members.

    I think I already know the answer as do all of you.

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  19. G says:

    What if Parliament approves of ‘a’ Withdrawal Agreement, (bound, hand foot and finger) in any way connected with Treason May’s efforts to keep us half in/half out?
    Another level headed (in short supply) objective critique of what may follow:
    https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2019/02/19/jack-simson-caird-and-ellis-paterson-could-the-uk-courts-disapply-domestic-legislation-to-enforce-the-protocol-on-ireland-and-northern-ireland/

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  20. Doobster78 says:

    More Brexit doom …. poor BBC …not going their way today is it, what with Honda stating that Brexit is nothing to do with their decision to close Swindon and now this further good news.

    But i am sure i remember George Osbourne telling me in no uncertain terms that unemployment would be massive, my house would drop in value by a third and i would have to abide by a Punishment budget ….. not when we leave, when we merely dared to VOTE to leave …… and yet the BBC still wheel him out and take his word as gospel. Like Carney and many other remoaners, their predictions are being shown up for what they are …. total BULL.

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  21. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC Online News:

    “”UK employment hits another record high””

    “”However, the surveys deteriorated more markedly in January, so a BREXIT effect might start to weaken employment growth in the next batch of official data.””

    “”The jobs market remains in a robust shape despite the loss of momentum in the economy towards the end of last year – although the BREXIT fog effect may be yet to register.””

    “”So little sign of BREXIT uncertainty hitting hiring so far – but demand in the labour market tends to lag significantly behind changes in output.””

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47290331

    The BBC. Experts in how to diminish good economic news – Despite Brexit.

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  22. Wild Bill says:

    Can’t believe the discussion on Vine BBC radio 2 today, “should people who voted for Brexit lose their jobs first?”

    Do the BBC really expect people to keep paying the TV licence/tax in the face of such biased drivel?

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    • davylars says:

      Or, if it’s a success, ‘will people who voted for brexit get the first jobs.’
      Bet that wasn’t asked..

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    • JimS says:

      Britain has a divided society, says the BBC.

      Now how can they widen that divide? More fake Brexit fearmongering?

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      • G says:

        Jim,
        “….how can they widen that divide?”
        It is plain to see they want a complete breakdown of societal norms. Revolution in fact. The BBC will not stop until that is achieved.

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    • quisquose says:

      That discussion was outrageous. The BBC were actually advocating, although they will claim otherwise, for an illegal act.

      They may as well have been discussing if it is okay to steal from businesses that support Brexit.

      The BBC need to get lots of complaints because of that.

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      • StewGreen says:

        That was pure trolling
        ..like a tabloid newspaper they knew it would produce an outraged response… and “exciting radio”

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      • Doobster78 says:

        And they are always the first to scream ” DISCRIMINATION “. Shocking stuff.

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    • StewGreen says:

      The people who voted Brexit are VICTIMS
      ..they were groomed by evil ones
      ..So in compensation they should be given free council houses and council jobs with gold plated pensions.
      …like Begum

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    • Guest Who says:

      Classic BBC one degree of separation stirring.

      Get approached by (or approach) a clown advocating a shared view, share that view, allow to simmer, then ‘discuss’ it.

      I would express my concerns to Mr. Vine but, trusted and transparent as he is, I am blocked for not sharing his ‘views’.

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  23. StewGreen says:

    The time that Obama blocked the sun.

    Paul Homewood with the story of how in 2011 during the Obama years, someone noticed that the NASA website had a webpage explaining that the sun is the main driver of a planet’s climate, so they decide to block that page.
    https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2019/02/19/nasa-hides-page-saying-the-sun-was-the-primary-climate-driver-and-clouds-and-particles-are-more-important-than-greenhouse-gases

    We do get problems with naive people saying “Oh but the NASA website says X,Y,Z”…
    I have to explain that the people who do the NASA website are public relations people NOT science people
    ..eg it has pages that say “97% of scientists say”
    … FFS you can’t get much more anti-science than that , Fallacy of Argument from Authority mixed with dodgy surveys, with low sample sizes etc.

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  24. Fedup2 says:

    A truly terrible day for the BBC

    Employment going up
    Average pay going up above inflation
    Labour tearing itself apart
    Honda closing unconnected to brexit
    And one more day gone until we leave

    I feel their pain . They must be desperate for a new Project Fear story or similar .

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  25. Doobster78 says:

    Jeremy Vine is fast becoming the BBC’s Jeremy Kyle !!!

    I wonder if he actually realises that any credibility he had (used loosely) has well and truly gone. His Brexit bias has seen to that. Sad really.

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  26. AsISeeIt says:

    BBC News Channel at one

    Honda says their UK plant closure is not due to Brexit

    But BBC man Rupert Wingfield-Hayes finds some talking head to say, well, actually, yes it is due to Brexit.

    Nice going BBC. You remind me of that Little Britain character – you know the one:
    Q. Is this closure due to Brexit?
    A. Yeah, but no, but yeah, but…

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Asi
      The beeboid mouthpiece “call me Eddy” Sturton tried the same thing interviewing the Japanese Ambassader and failed dismally .

      And it got worse as every question got flipped back including the one about how difficult will it be to be a bilateral trade agreement – paraphrase answer – well it won’t be difficult as the donkey work was done with the EU agreement so Blighty will be easier .

      Naughty step for Eddie .

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  27. Doobster78 says:

    If i remember right, she was a right “big un” in the 80’s

    https://news.sky.com/story/fern-britton-i-was-sexually-assaulted-by-a-man-in-a-lift-11641691

    However, the line that grabs my attention is this one
    The fact remains the most privileged person on the planet is still the white male.

    “But unless they can feel as uncomfortable as single women do walking home at night in the dark or getting into a taxi alone, there’s always going to be that gap in understanding.”

    Really … most privileged ??? I’d say the “most under attack” and mostly by women.

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    • Terminal Moraine says:

      “But unless they can feel as uncomfortable as single women do walking home at night in the dark or getting into a taxi alone…”

      Doobster, by coincidence I’m just back from a lunchtime conversation in which I was told exactly the same about my privilege. (Note: not discussed; ‘told’.) Fair enough. But that line reveals much about the hidden drive behind identity politics… it won’t be achieved til everyone’s been dragged down into the mire of guilt and shame so we all feel as uncomfortable as each other.

      It’s the lowest common denominator that always wins.

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  28. G says:

    Honda Swindon factory closure. As I understand it, a part of that decision is to do with the replacement model for the Civic. I’ll bet more than a few at the Swindon factory know about the detail of the, ‘new model’ to be built in Japan.
    Well, a large factory and background supply chain all in place will be vacant.
    Back in the late 50’s / 60’s Japan took the American Caterpillar tractor range and analysed each component, particularly dimensionally. Voila! The Japanese ‘Komatsu’ was born (well, sort of – more a test tube baby to be more accurate). The Komatsu range slightly differed from its US Caterpillar parent mainly in fractional changes in dimensions just to avoid patent issues, unlike the Chinese these days. Those were the days when intellectual property thieves still had some scruples!
    Time to get nasty boys and girls and join the asians business practices!

    Next: Huawei

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  29. Guest Who says:

    Tim is being asked questions.

    If more asked Tim, one might see this go up through the whole CECUO route before not being answered.

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  30. Guest Who says:

    Tim is pretty keen on you knowing just how BBC Tim is.

    But… ‘views his own’. Obviously 🙂

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    • StewGreen says:

      So BBC guy adds #Brexit hashtag, to Honda non-Brexit story

      Tim answered back multiple times
      \\Because brexit is clearly one of the reasons Honda are closing the plant //
      \\ Brexit is part of the reason Honda are going, but you’re free to believe otherwise, best Tim //

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      • Lobster says:

        So basically, he’s saying that Honda are a bunch of liars for saying that it’s not connected to Brexit?
        Nice.

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        • les whittaker says:

          He’s a liar, just like Adonis on Sky this morning.

          John Redwood says on his blog: “I am deleting contributions to the site that wrongly ascribe the planned closure of Honda Swindon to Brexit given the very clear statements made by Honda that is about other matters. I will comment in more detail tomorrow.”

          http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/

          Meanwhile, the BBC should be thinking (!) about:

          Electrification
          Gradual demise of diesel
          State of Chinese market
          Honda is not moving to the EU
          Reduction in tariff on cars imported from Japan to 0%.

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          • Beltane says:

            Surprising that the EU/Japan deal giving tariff-free access for Japanese cars went through so smoothly. Surely one or two gifted experts like Olly Robbins, Grieve or Soubry might have spotted that this gave the EU an attractive revolving door to Japanese trade while at the same time hitting the major manufacturer of Japanese cars in Europe….the UK.
            Obviously it’s one of those ironic coincidences that crop up from time to time, but you’d have thought all the remainers would have made a right old song and dance about all the negativity and cliff-edgedness of the deal. So why did nobody in ‘government’ notice? Surely not because they knew how it would hit public confidence?

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      • StewGreen says:

        His other tweets reveal an anti Tory line
        Everyone knows that when a politician goes out in the field he will have a PR person there looking for photo ops to quickly tweet
        ..but Tim felt the need to retweet a SNEER

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  31. Nibor says:

    We’re giving you 10 days to get correctly licensed .

    So is the latest missive from TV Licensing . That’s funny . I thought I was correctly licensed . I had a look , yep , my HGV licence is valid , my firearms licence is valid , my ADR is valid , pilots licence etc . My doctors registration to perform surgury isn’t valid because
    1) I have never wanted to be a surgeon
    2) I haven’t bothered to take any exams .

    But then I’m not purporting to be a surgeon . My Waste Transfer Site is also not valid for the same reason , I don’t have a waste transfer site . I’m sure I’m like you all , perplexed that you would be harassed to comply and pay for licences you have no need for .
    The letter doesn’t brook any argument that you don’t need a licence . In fact there are two more threats within that are statements ;

    We will not visit you for 10 days , but you must get correctly licensed .
    And
    Remember – you have until 28th February to get correctly licensed .

    For sure there is a bit on the back page sub titled Don’t think you need a TV Licence ? Including a round circle and diagonal line ( FORBIDDEN ) with a TV within . But it goes on to tell how you should have a licence , not your choice not to have one .
    [ there’s also the very small writing perpendicular to the page with the letters and numbers thus : INO11G INBE-3EU-09-16 4014N/190206/110930/0010872E page 2 000000 , I’m sure that tells someone somewhere more than the code further up which is REV/J/COL/1EN/04/18 , which is nothing to to limitless numbers above the address which are 766281010371940000000310971001001000000 then I presume even the computerised letter machine takes a breather as there’s a gap before 0000040 357 A . ] .

    Well on the 28 th I will be correctly licensed , but not with a TV one . Watch this space for further adventures of Nibor Against the Threatograms .

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Nibor – you must be due for the sinister “ where will you be on the 23rd of February ?” Letter .

      I sometimes wonder if this is from The Grim Reaper reminding me to get my affairs in order . But then it turns out to be from the trolls at the East Londonistan TV licence ( capita ) HQ which I think might actually be a branch of ISiS as its within RPG range of Tower Hamletsistan – famed exporter of troop comforts / breeding machines for the heroes of the struggle for the Caliphate .

      I’m waiting for the spool TV licence detector drone in your area on 1st April

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      • Nibor says:

        FU2 ,

        The trouble with those Will You Be In Threatograms is that they then prevaricate , obfuscate and go all round the houses to not quite give the message about whether they will call or not , on that day or any other , morning noon or night etc .

        This breeds uncertainty , and businesses don’t like uncertainty says the BBC . I was going to buy a new car , but because I’m uncertain due to not knowing if TV Licensing are going to turn up or not etc I can’t invest in a new car until I know I won’t buy a car without a deal . I don’t want to buy a new car then crash out of the showroom . The clock is ticking and TVLicensing should show up .

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        • Fedup2 says:

          Nibor
          I collect those letters now . I put them in a binder using those plastic sleeves . If they ever do visit I’m going to present it to them .
          However I don’t think tv licensing would come to my bit of Londonistan for health and safety reasons ….

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          • taffman says:

            I have started to collect those love letters as well . I cut them up , pierce them with string and hang em up in the loo.

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    • Banania says:

      Can those numbers mean anything? Surely not.

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  32. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Have I got this right.

    Chucky’s gang have decided to leave the Labour Party rather than trying to reform it from within so that they can try to keep in the eu to try to reform it from within.

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  33. StewGreen says:

    Radio 4 Metro-liberal-WomansHour today sounded like JaneGarveyGivesHerViewsHour
    .. She brought on 3 Muslim women to discuss Begum, and much to her chagrin one Muslim lady took the Edwina Currie line “being a child is not an excuse, you can still be found to be a criminal”
    … Garvey led the screaming “but she’s just a child”

    ..reply ” Would you be saying that if she were a woman ? No …so you have some kind of sexism going on”

    Other Muslim “but she’s only like the Rochdale girls who were groomed”
    Garvey “yeh”
    First Muslim ..”no it is not like the Rochdale girls you cannot compare the two”

    Garvey “Yes they are, yes they are”
    First Muslim “She stole and sold the jewellery and did the journey herself”

    FFS I have sympathy for any criminal, even at 60 years old you can be groomed by those around you
    You can say that Tommy was groomed into being a football hooligan etc.
    At some point you have to resist and respect those that do.

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    • StewGreen says:

      Typo : At some point you have to resist
      …and we do have respect those that do resist outside influence.

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  34. StewGreen says:

    James Goddard charged with harassing Anna Soubry when all the time she was accompanied by police.

    Is such a prosecution and trial an appropriate use of public funds.

    He’s already been quite punished by extreme bail conditions.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      It’s sub judice now so limited comments . Trial is set for 16 March 2019 .

      The fallacy of Free Speech .

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Al beeb trying to do a ‘25 years?’ Thing since the Judicial report on the investigation of the murder of a teenager who was black and apparently stabbed .

        Things have improved greatly apparently . But the side effect is blacks stabbing other blacks so it takes any racial aspect out – which seems to make it okay in BBC world as evidenced by the lack or reporting .

        I’m not bothering listing them for Londonistan any more .

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      • StewGreen says:

        Is it a jury trial ?

        Effectively sub-judice doesn’t apply if it’s only a judge ..charges of contempt are rare.
        whereas if there is a jury its easy to say that newspaper info can influence jury member
        Nor does sub-judice apply to facts already in the public domain AFAIK

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        • theisland says:

          The Crown Prosecution Service reminds all concerned that criminal proceedings are now active and that Mr Goddard has a right to a fair trial. It is extremely important that there should be no reporting, commentary or sharing of information online which could in any way prejudice these proceedings.

          Hmmm

          CPS also advertising for a new CEO to meekly assist with civil service cover-ups.
          https://www.veredus.co.uk/job/chief-executive-officer-jobid-931137

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        • Fedup2 says:

          Stew – dunno – is says something about triable either way whatever the hell that means . I’m not a lawyer but don’t want to be liable it someone does say something here which the State prosecutors or soubry fans pick up

          If I recall the racially aggravated bit was added on because an Eastern European copper got upset .

          And when the State wants to nail someone it really does . Unless it’s an ISIS terrorist

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  35. gb123 says:

    Interesting reading. https://commentcentral.co.uk/the-decline-and-fall-of-brand-bbc/

    I like ” After all, what’s so difficult about telling the truth or conducting journalistic enquiry with probity? When imposing a top-down agenda requires deliberate and systematic propaganda – deception – calling out the BBC becomes kid’s play. But it really shouldn’t be this easy.”

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  36. StewGreen says:

    @Tim Bowler also tweeted
    \\ Moving story: “I stayed with my abusive girlfriend out of fear she would kill me” //

    could be
    “I as a media figure didn’t call out the truth-abusing Biased-BBC, cos of fear they would kill my career”

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    • Guest Who says:

      Tim appears to come from a long line of bald middle-aged white men who probably live with their mums still.

      I wonder if he, John Sweeney, Nick Robbo etc meet up ever week, and have a group circle polish?

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  37. Guest Who says:

    Was passed this to approve:

    https://www.ruralmedia.co.uk/NewCreatives?

    Those around me know I like free money. However…

    Well, ageism for a start. Just missed the cut.

    However, if the dead hand of the BBC is involved, the other selection criteria are locked down already.

    Interesting how much the BBc seems to continue to expand everywhere despite losing audience and hiking the fee to cope.

    ‘Too big to fail’ HtQoS strategy?

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  38. StewGreen says:

    Monday 9pm ITV clear your schedule, it’s the Nicky Campbell Lifestory

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  39. Guest Who says:

    Methinks Tone and Franny need plan another fee hike… or find a conference in Australia fast.

    https://order-order.com/2019/02/19/bbcs-think-tank-funding-hypocrisy/

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  40. Old Goat says:

    Dr. Steve Turley. Love this bloke, his videos are enlightening and uplifting – this is his latest:

       13 likes

  41. Guest Who says:

    Not BBC. But a topic they studiously avoid.

    Yet this is from the Indy, FHS.

    Noting the order of those responsible. mind.

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    • PeterT says:

      Halal slaughter and Kosher slaughter should be banned in our country.

      Peter

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      • gaxvil says:

        Yes, because it’s OUR country – not though you’d know it.

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      • Beltane says:

        No need to ban in our tolerant society. Simply make the practice legally conditional on the two religions involved, islam and Judaism, co-operating within their own registered slaughter-houses, killing cattle and sheep reared specifically for the purpose and marketed exclusively for their benefit.
        Such meat will inevitably be significantly more expensive but, if that’s what they want….

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  42. StewGreen says:

    \\ RAF recruitment advert mocking sexist stereotypes wins £1m of free Channel 4 airtime //

    Hang on its illegal in the UK for advertising to carry a political message yet C4 is giving up £1m worth of POLITICAL advertising.

    see Forces.net https://t.co/iByw12bG60

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  43. StewGreen says:

    Friday March 9th International Women’s Day

    March 10th International Gingers day ? ..not

    Has Dr Who ever been ginger ?
    Bonnie Langford was ginger assistant I guess

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  44. taffman says:

    “UK employment hits another record high”
    “Skill shortages”
    Thanks to Blair and his stupid idea of getting every kid into ‘Yoony’ doing stupid ‘ology’ degrees in ‘meeja’, humanities, art and design and all the other non-useful topics that one could name under the sun. Those kids would have been better placed in life learning a skill or trade that would have put them on the housing ladder and the pension schemes they will need for their future. Roll on Brexit and Independence.
    Hows about that maxi ?

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  45. taffman says:

    “Parts of public sector ‘not ready’ for no-deal Brexit”
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-47280899
    “The UK government has recognised that there may be disruption to the supply of some fresh food from the continent if a no-deal Brexit leads to delays at ports and airports.”

    They have had two years to get things done , have they been sleeping or trying to change the result ? More ‘Project Armageddon’.
    Plenty of Welsh farmers ready to tool up and sell fresh ‘seasonal’ veg. they always have done but the CAP has stifled that.

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    • theisland says:

      And plenty of fresh fish from OUR waters.

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      • taffman says:

        I remember a time in Wales when milk was poured down drains, butter was given away free, and potatoes were deliberately stained purple so that they could only be used for animal fodder. Was all this done under the orders of the EU to artificially inflate the prices in line with the European market ?

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  46. gaxvil says:

    Like the Germans and the rest – they never thought Brexit would come to pass.

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  47. gaxvil says:

    Hatton back in the Labour Party? That will help who and how?

    Like inviting Napoleon to take up his old job of Emperor.

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  48. pugnazious says:

    The BBC is once again on the environmental warpath, on a bandwagon sustainably driven by copious amounts of hot air and sanctimonious shite, telling us that ‘consumer capitalism’ must end and that ‘fast fashion’ is one of the culprits that is destroying the planet especially its use of ‘plastic’ clothing..ie polyester etc.

    The answer…people must buy sustainable clothing made of cotton and wool.

    Hang on….wool? comes from sheep and we’re told this is bad and cruel and that sheep are destroying our landscape and we must rewild that landscape and get rid of the sheep so that liberal townies, like George Monbiot, can enjoy ‘safaris’ in the country looking at the wolves and wildcats whilst the Welsh and Scottish hill farmers once again suffer ‘clearances’, driven off the land, at the whim of the ‘elite’.

    What about cotton? Not so long ago the BBC was telling us how environmentally destructive cotton was, especially its water use…the Aral Sea having been gobbled up by Soviet cotton production..not to mention the use of chemicals….


    The environmental issues with cotton are…
    MANY. More chemicals are used for cotton than for any other crop and cotton production requires so much water that is has nearly made a whole sea disappear. Yes, really!

    Today’s reporting is the usual short-sighted and naive nonsense that we get from the BBC on such issues…of course we must also buy less stuff….thus putting millions out of work and whole economies reduced to poverty again….such as China where ‘consumer capitalism’ has clothed, fed and provided a far better live than any other system in their history….it has lifted out of poverty billions of people across the world.

    This attitude from the BBC is reflected in how it reports on the car industry closures, it wants to say it’s all down to Brexit when in fact it is all to do with environmental legislation…diesel sales in the UK have fallen 30% and yet the BBC dodges raising that issue and linking it to job losses preferring to weaponise it politically and just shout ‘#duetobrexit’. Climate change fanaticism[and Jeremy Corbyn] are far more of a threat to jobs and lifestyle than Brexit and yet the BBC freely promotes both of those.

    The BBC is willing to see miillions of people lose their jobs and livelihoods, their lifechances and lifestyles massively downgraded in order to supposedly ‘save the planet’ and yet it just isn’t honest about that. It wants us all to stop eating meat, ruining the meat industry but fails to note the environmental damage crop growing will do. It promotes scare stories about meat such as cooking meat/processed meat/red meat will give you cancer….and it promotess veganism as a sustainable and morally preferrabe lifestyle…never mind the diet can make people suffer serious health problems and that this is of course the BBC engaged in sinister and dubious social engineering as it tries to turn us into vegans and environmental fanatics wearing hair-shirts who have to walk to work if we’re lucky enough to have a job at the organic farm which is the only industry left.

    This all avoids the real issue…massive and unsustainable population growth. The BBC always sneers at anyone who raises this and is quick to tells us how wrong Malthus was…and yet he wasn’t wrong….that ‘planet destruction’ the BBC is so concerned about is due to that massive population growth and the need to feed, clothe and entertain everyone…..as is climate change…the infamous ‘hockey stick’ and population growth graphs coincide….the two are inexorably linked and it can be no coincidence that CO2 rises as third world population booms….not something the BBC wants to address as it peddles the Green/Marxist anti-Western narrative of the industrial revolution and our guilt for producing global warming…supposedly.

    Simpleton MPs are chuntering about putting 1p on the price of ‘fast fashion’ to save the planet…maybe halving the price of condoms would do more to save the planet.

    This isn’t history, this is the future as the BBC thinks you should be living it now…..

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  49. taffman says:

    Karl Lagerfeld
    Me neither ?

       14 likes

    • pugnazious says:

      Honda isn’t very successful in Europe compared to its sales in the rest of the world and its Swindon plant, the only one in the EU, has been running at half-capacity for years…any surprise it will shut?

      But is it due to Brexit? IN 2017 Honda announced it was shutting a plant in Japan for exactly the same reasons….to produce electric vehicles in one big plant…

      Honda to close Japan plant amid refocus on EVs

      ‘Honda is taking the rare step of shuttering a Japanese assembly plant as it rearranges its domestic factory footprint to shift manufacturing know-how toward electrified cars.

      In closing its aging Sayama assembly plant, Honda will consolidate operations around the nearby Yorii plant, one of the automaker’s newest. Work at Sayama will wind down by March 31, 2022, and its workers will be transferred to Yorii and other plants, the Japanese company said Wednesday.

      Yorii, which opened in 2013, will be positioned as a worldwide center for developing cutting-edge manufacturing technologies as well as techniques for producing electrified vehicles.’

      So nothing to do with Brexit…just a reconfiguring of its production and technology, and a concentration in one place for economy of scale and efficiency. And the work is still to be done in Japan not the EU.

      Note also that Honda is shutting a factory in Turkey which the BBC doesn’t make a song and dance about just as it hid the news that Ford was slashing jobs in the EU on a large scale…more so than in the UK.

      So why are BBC journalists going around saying ‘We know they say it isn’t Brexit but just how much did the uncertainty due to brexit play in this decision?’. BBC just ignoring Honda/Nissan statements and reasons and inserting their own anti-Brexit ones.

         10 likes

      • taffman says:

        pugnazious
        Brexitphobia. Al Beeb has suffered from it ever since Dimbldore announced our independence live on TV in June, 2016.
        Simples.

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      • Nibor says:

        Here is a small list of Ford UK.

        1911 Trafford park opened , moved to Dagenham 1931 .
        1923 Dagenham opened .
        1949 Langley opened closed 1997 .
        1939 Southampton opened taken over by Ford in 1953 .
        1962 Haleswood opened , finished 2000
        1964 Basildon opened closed 1991

        2013 all Ford assembly and engines moved with EU funding to Turkey .
        In Ireland at Cork , opened 1927 , closed 1984 .

        I did this little potted history , which is not exhaustive , just about Ford but could also have made it about any international car manufacturer .in fact you can go to https://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_Ford_factories
        which shows scores of them being set up all round the world , then being closed at later times the average lifespan being about forty years .

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      • Dystopian says:

        Why don’t the bbc highlight the fact that these Japanese companies are moving their production back to Japan, because (unlike the useless May government) they were able to successfully negotiate a free trade deal with the EU without actually being in a customs union, a single market or under the jurisdiction of the ECJ!
        What a great idea.

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    • RobRoy says:

      I buy his products all the time… oh no, wait, that’s Carlsberg

         2 likes

  50. gaxvil says:

    I do have some calf skins on my banjos – better than plastic BUT that would not please the veggie vegans Doh!

       6 likes