Start the Week Open Thread 18 February 2019

39 days or 6 Weeks until A50 expires .Whatever happens we are to be witness the greatest challenge to democracy since a small German attempted to take it away some 80 years ago .

The small German had Goebbels to help him  . The current version is the BBC

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502 Responses to Start the Week Open Thread 18 February 2019

  1. Lucy Pevensey says:

    The devout orthodox Muslim girl who left a Britain she hates- yet wants to come back to gets ANOTHER front page on the free Metro rag today.

    I hardly recognise this country anymore.


    • Roland Deschain says:

      Look on the bright side. The media is hammering another nail in its own coffin as it shows itself to be utterly out of touch with the people.


      • Lucy Pevensey says:

        Then there’s the Markle woman showing her true racist colours.


        • gaxvil says:

          Have they really chose to forget those videos of people decapitated with a kitchen knife, the line of soldiers on the beach executed, the pilot in the cage.
          Was that just in the past to forgive, forget and move on like the ‘super efficient ‘ German Death Camps of WW2 ?
          Has morality been replaced by the Pound-Shop version that also supports full term abortions ?


        • BRISSLES says:

          Lucy …….”Then there’s the Markle woman showing her true racist colours.”……

          Really ? what have I missed ?


          • BRISSLES says:

            The Markle woman is getting married yet again in another of the Hallmark Channels made for tv films (Movies 24) – she’s made around half a dozen of these chic flicks during her time in Suits. These are films with Hallmark’s stable of young actors who will never make their name on the big screen, so how she managed to claim the Clooneys, Oprah Winfrey and others as ‘friends’ is unadulterated social climbing at its best ! You have to hand it to her though, she’s running rings around Harry, and the poor sod cant see it as he’s so smitten.


          • Lucy Pevensey says:

            Explained here:
            Meghan takes aim at male, pale and stale universities
            The duchess is urging students to question ‘antiquated’ teaching and to push for more diversity among staff


    • JamesG says:

      Here’s the petition:


    • vesnadog says:


      “The devout orthodox Muslim girl”

      Boy, and her face?

      If that’s what 4 years as an Islamic terrorist does to your looks (weight, eyes, mouth) then no wonder she wants out! (but MUST NOT) be allowed to return to her worst enemies nation. She used to be slim and pretty?!


  2. AsISeeIt says:

    BBC London News at 1.30pm and a cheerful Asad Ahmad greets we eagerly expectant cockney sparrows with the opening headline:

    “Hello, and it’s 20 years since the Met Police was branded Institutionally Racist…”

    I swith off in the unhappy realisation that I’m unlikey to glean any local news from this social justice warrior tv bulletin designed to constantly sow seeds of division and grievance between all races, classes and even genders of Londoners.


  3. Roland Deschain says:

    A variation here on the “some say” ploy by Jon.


    • TrueToo says:

      Roland Deschain, interesting.

      Animals are so often more perceptive than humans. That cheetah knows a good man when he sees one. If it had been Sopel, it would have had him for breakfast.


    • vlad says:

      Is Jon inciting the cheetah to violence?
      Isn’t that a hate crime?
      Feel sure a lot of people will look at Sopel’s tweet and think ‘what a cnut’ – especially if they’re dyslexic.


  4. G says:

    “I have the impression that anti-Semitism is becoming louder, more open and aggressive.” She blamed most of the anti-Semitic attacks on “right-wing offenders.”
    Where have I heard this assertion before? Mmmmm. I recall the claim being made in the UK a month or so ago and I suggested here that muslims were principally behind the attacks.
    But this is Germany……………
    Nice to see that the Germans apply a two-tier legal system, just like the UK.


  5. Lucy Pevensey says:


  6. gaxvil says:

    This attempt to make everyone love each other is, and always was, doomed to failure.
    They can pretend but as Tom Lehrer had it:-

    “Oh, the white folks hate the black folks,
    And the black folks hate the white folks.
    To hate all but the right folks
    Is an old established rule.

    But during national brotherhood week, national brotherhood week,
    Lena Horne and sheriff Clarke are dancing cheek to cheek.
    It’s fun to eulogize
    The people you despise,
    As long as you don’t let ’em in your school.

    Oh, the poor folks hate the rich folks,
    And the rich folks hate the poor folks.
    All of my folks hate all of your folks,
    It’s American as apple pie.

    But during national brotherhood week, national brotherhood week,
    New Yorkers love the Puerto Ricans ’cause it’s very chic.
    Step up and shake the hand
    Of someone you can’t stand.
    You can tolerate him if you try.

    Oh, the Protestants hate the Catholics,
    And the Catholics hate the Protestants,
    And the Hindus hate the muslems,
    And everybody hates the Jews.

    But during national brotherhood week, national brotherhood week,
    It’s national everyone-smile-at-one-another-hood week.
    Be nice to people who
    Are inferior to you.
    It’s only for a week, so have no fear.
    Be grateful that it doesn’t last all year!”


    • Lefty Wright says:

      For me the first sentence of your post says it all. I, like everyone else, prefer to choose my own acquaintances thank you very much and I do not need unsolicited advice from an interfering bunch of one world dreamers who refuse to come to terms with reality because they can’t face it.
      I speak here from the perspective of an erstwhile one world dreamer who came to realize that the dream was just that. As impossible as it was stupid.


  7. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    No doubt these magnificent 7 ex labour MPs will be giving their constituencies the opportunity to show how much they back them by having 7 by elections.

    These 7 all want a ‘people’s vote’ as the people may think differently now over leaving the eu so now is the time to show how fair, open and democratic they are by holding by elections. After all, people voted them in on a labour manifesto but people change their minds as they keep telling us.

    The girl, Angela Smith, on politics live today has said her leaving the Labour Party was a moral decision and she knows her voters all support her therefore she can safely hold the by election knowing that she has it in the bag.

    Same with sobery and Wollaston etc, get out and hold the by elections.

    But, of course, none of them will.
    They know they will lose.


    • gaxvil says:

      This is maybe on a par with the Derek Hatton fiasco but in reverse sort of, kind of thing?


  8. NISA says:

    BBC tells us Shamima Begum – the schoolgirl who fled London to join the Islamic State group in Syria – has said she never wanted to be an IS “poster girl”.
    Why do they publish such garbage? One person in a black sack looks much like another, why would IS want a particular person for their posters?


  9. StewGreen says:

    Last Years Liberty Belles video saying that they had be grossly unfairly targetted by HnH
    Take a look at the videos she links to in her description

    She references a vid by a teenage student English Eccentric
    Now That video is no longer on YT, so I guess they banned her account
    I guess this is a written form


  10. StewGreen says:

    Another article on the SJW mob mentality


    • gaxvil says:

      “Free, fair, impartial” eh?


    • vlad says:

      The beeb have form: on occasion bbc journalists have inadvertently referred to Labour as ‘we’.


      • AsISeeIt says:

        I tuned out years ago but I distinctly recall those interminable BBC Newsnight items on all and sundry Labour Party policy splits and strategy direction punditry – all done with a decidedly in-house feel.


      • Up2snuff says:

        vlad, I did wonder whether Mark Mardell’s absence from TWatO today was due to the bad news for Labour. It occupied the whole programme or seemed to. Ed Stourton had to manfully man the man-size (oops, sorry), Mark size tissue box in his stead.

        (MM along with James Naughtie are two of the Beebs ‘Labourites’, famous for ‘we’-ing if nothing else. There may be more.)


  11. 7Clubs says:

    I hope very much Lucinda Berger does hold a bi-election in Liverpool Wavertree.
    It will be interesting to see how many traditional Labour voters will vote for their local Anti-Semitic Labour party


  12. AsISeeIt says:

    An increasingly common occurrence in news reports is a point where the BBC correspondent blithely utters a phrase I find incomprehensible in its illogic and yet it was clearly carefully designed and written so as to fit a specific (and to me alien) view of the world.

    This afternoon BBC reporter Yolande Nell is covering a rather touchy subject for the BBC : displaced Syrian families returning to an increasingly united and pacified country under… Bashar al-Assad.

    Our Yolande Nell when referring to these persons utters this corker “they are giving up all their rights as refugees”

    Excuse me, but isn’t it generally considered to be a bad thing to be a refugee? Not some kind of elevated international super-status.

    Isn’t it a jolly good thing they feel safer going back? Are they not (to coin a phrase) looking for a better life than in a refugee camp.

    Or, is there perhaps some regret voiced here by Nell that they are now stepping off a potential conveyor belt to the West?

    One thing you won’t hear in her report is any regret from the BBC for the neocon-like short-sighted culturally naive liberal sentiment that helped stir up that old Arab Spring thing.


  13. StewGreen says:

    8pm R4 ‘ooh scary Far-Right bogeymen are coming !’
    “The Rising Right in Europe” – Edward Stourton looks at the increase in the appropriation of Christian symbols and values by populist movements across Europe; featuring ”
    FoOC on Saturday was a kind of trailer
    “The remote religious retreat at the heart of plans for a populist revolution– Edward Stourton visits the Trisulti monastery in Italy from where the vision of the former chief strategist to Donald Trump, Steve Bannon, is being spread across Europe”
    ….’Oh Stven Bannon is funding a political jihadi training camp in an Italian monastery’ (it didn’t tell us much)

    \\ and why some populist movements are combining Christian symbols, language and values with predominantly secular ideas and policies.
    Are these groups suddenly finding religion
    or is this more about reclaiming Europe’s Christian heritage and culture to oppose Islam and the recent waves of immigration?
    (Ed should already know you don’t have to be a Christian to support some central Judeo-Christian foundations of our society)

    With the European elections on the horizon could this appropriation of Christianity be a vote winner? //

    The non-Christian right .. are so often MORE Christian than the actual church establishment .. who act like a mob of hatey-pseudo-liberals ..intolerant of anyone that dares challenge dogma.


  14. StewGreen says:

    BBC Vagina-monoculture ..its obsession with Sex
    7:20pm Radio4
    \\ Is there more sex than ever on TV, in books and on stage now?
    Has #MeToo, access to pornography online and a desire to appeal to younger audiences changed how,
    .. and how much, sex is represented in culture?
    Katy Guest considers books, Louis Wise looks at screen and Bryony Kimmings reports on the performing on artists// (might have a typo there)
    \\ Performance artist, comedian, musician and activist Bryony Kimmings talks about her new autobiographical show
    : I’m a Phoenix, Bitch
    .. and explains why she chooses to create pieces about taboo and difficult subject matter including STIs, sex clinics, and cancer. //


  15. Lobster says:

    I wonder how the BBC are going to spin the closure of Honda’s plant at Swindon? It looks as though production is going to be relocated to Japan, so very little, if anything, to do with Brexit.


    • gaxvil says:

      The Japanese economy isn’t doing too well – end.


    • Fedup2 says:

      That Simon bloke who does the afternoon BBC false news tried to get it connected to Brexit . Clear editorial bias

      However apparently it’s because Western countries don’t like diesel and more .

      Honda is pulling factories out of the ReichEU.


    • StewGreen says:

      Toyota just opened another UK factory


    • Halifax says:

      I had the misfortune to own a Honda car awful piece of engineering. I work in Manchester so I thought I’d take it for warranty work to the Manchester dealers, there isn’t one not a single Honda dealer in Manchester .Rochdale has one a tired set up and Stockport but that’s miles away. So tired dealer network rubbish uncompetitive cars with awful quality, I suppose it’s all down to Brexit.


  16. gaxvil says:

    So we have pending deals on the table with USA, Canada, Australia and Switzerland for starters. Think we might just survive.


  17. Up2snuff says:

    On a day when FakeNews and OTHER organisations, not themselves of course, is back on the BBC agenda, they themselves are being deceptive here:

    They make this claim: “CORRECT – It’s 10,000 litres. Cotton needs a lot of water to grow, which is having dramatic ecological consequences, causing deserts to form in the Aral Sea.”

    IIRC, the desertification of the Aral Sea is nothing to do with growing cotton. So I go and check. Uzbekistan is, apparently not such a major cotton producer as the BBC would have you believe. They claim it is responsible for the Aral Sea drying up.

    But isn’t mining & mineral processing the main activity around the Aral Sea? Where is that 4.6 million bales of Uzbek cotton produced? In the south-east and north east of the country apparently, according to Wiki which may or may not be accurate. The Aral Sea is in the north-west of the crescent shaped country. And apparently the Government of Uzbekistan is reducing their share of world cotton production to grow more food crops, anyway.

    Deliberate FakeNews from the BBC. Following on from the deliberate BBC FakeNews about Porsche Cars and post-Brexit tariffs yesterday.

    Two days in a row!

    Oh dear.


    • maxincony says:


      IIRC, the desertification of the Aral Sea is nothing to do with growing cotton… isn’t mining & mineral processing the main activity around the Aral Sea?

      The water of the Aral Sea didn’t just come from nowhere. it was fed by the Amu and Syr rivers; both of which were diverted into irrigation canals to grow (amongst other things) cotton. Hence leaving very little to top up the Aral Sea.

      This was part of the Soviet plan for cotton, or ‘white gold’, to become a major export. This temporarily succeeded, and in 1988, Uzbekistan was the world’s largest exporter of cotton.”

      Where is that 4.6 million bales of Uzbek cotton produced? In the south-east and north east of the country apparently

      And whereabouts are the Amu and Syr rivers? Have a guess, Up2snuff.

      Oh dear”…


      • Rob in Cheshire says:

        Hi Max:

        I think you must agree that the desertification of the Aral Sea is down to Soviet era central planning.

        Soviet socialism was an ecological as well as an economic disaster. You might care to mention this to Jeremy Corbyn if you ever meet him, as he seems to be unaware of these facts.


  18. gaxvil says:

    So Danny Dyer (me neither) star of Eastenders !!! says Begum must have been, ‘lost within her soul’ and should be allowed back.
    Remember that phrase when you get done for doing 41 in a 40 mph zone.


    • BRISSLES says:

      That’s what you call doing a ‘reverse Neesom’


    • TrickCyclist says:

      I suppose BBC “star” Danny Dyer’s fans might be surprised at his opinion of the ISIS woman, given his “diamond geezer” image.
      I’m not so sure though – he had a brush with press notoriety in 2010 when as agony uncle for Zoo magazine he advised a reader that one way of getting over his split from his girlfriend might be “to cut your ex’s face, and then no one will want her.”
      He was misquoted, of course. Or maybe, just channelling his Inner Muslim?


  19. StewGreen says:

    Ah @Up2 MPs get something right
    \\ MPs warned that democracy was at risk from the “ malicious and relentless” targeting of citizens with disinformation and adverts from unidentifiable sources, delivered through the BBC

    The report also noted that disinformation was not just spread on BBC but also on platforms such as other metro-liberal media SkyNews, ITV, Buzzfeed, Guardian, Indy //

    … oh hang on that was a typo
    \\ delivered through social media
    ….on platforms such as Twitter //


  20. StewGreen says:

    Of course next week they’ll be a People’s Vote
    in each of the defecting MPs constituencies ?
    .. a second vote on their election.

    h/t Farage


  21. G.W.F. says:


  22. StewGreen says:

    Well that MP she’s practically Tommy Robinson so must never be forgiven.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Stew – I watched the start of that show but switched off when the race thing came as it’s boring .

      I’d defend Angela Smith MP purely on a human level because you can see that what she has done today leaving Labour has had a huge effect / strain .

      I generally have little regard for politicians but do like someone showing principles .


  23. G.W.F. says:


    • Doublethinker says:

      I hope that this is correct because I was thinking that I couldn’t , under any circumstances support a group that had known anti semites in its midst. In regard to the Battle Against the Globalists I usually work on the principle that my enemies enemy is my friend but there are lines which cannot be crossed and that would have been one of them.


      • RJ says:

        I think that the French government is desperate to smear the Giletjaunes and the BBC (with the reat of the MSM) are going along with the script.


  24. Thoughtful says:

    ‘Between this and Brexit we’re f***ed’: BBC microphone gaffe as journalist accidentally shares his thoughts on anti-Corbyn MPs’ press conference live on air

    The BBC has been forced to apologise after it accidentally broadcast a journalist telling a colleague, ‘we’re f****d’ live on air today.

    The gaffe came as the BBC News channel broadcast live footage of seven Labour MPs dramatically resigning from the party to create a new Independent Group.

    But in an impromptu commentary, a member of the audience can be heard saying: ‘Between this and Brexit, we are actually f****d. The Conservatives are going to win.’

    It remains unclear whether the man who could be heard over the BBC feed works for the corporation or was representing another media organisation.

    He could be heard giving his sombre outlook after Chuka Umunna addressed the audience at the press conference at London’s County Hall.

    Pretty clear it was a BBC employee and it is more shocking evidence of how the corporation view themselves, when they refer to Labour as “us”.


  25. Thoughtful says:

    And now we have the BBC blaming Brexit over the closure of the Honda plant at Swindon.
    What you probably won’t hear is that the actual reason is the EU reduction of import tariffs to cars made in Japan meaning they can take manufacture back to their mainland and enjoy frictionless trade regardless of the Brexit situation.


  26. Doublethinker says:

    Time is getting short for the Remainers , both overt and covert , to come up with a formula for stopping or neutering Brexit whilst being able to claim that it is entirely democratic to do so. It seems increasingly likely that the HoC will just vote for the PMs Brino deal and utilise all of the MSM to try and persuade us that it was ‘ the best possible deal’ and that it does deliver Brexit and is therefore democratic.
    But millions of Leavers won’t be fooled by that charade and will feel , quite rightly, that our democracy has been so corrupted that it is no longer possible to claim that we live in one. So what do these millions do then?
    Some Remainers think that magically after this great betrayal the status quo anti will rapidly be reinstated and everything will carry on as before. In a way this is what happened in Denmark, Eire and France when referenda results were ignored. Will that be the case here? I’m sure that is what the Remainer elite expect to happen. But I also think that they will have a contingency plan for handling protests should they occur. After all they have forced us to accept multi cults invasion and used the law to enforce their mad schemes. Suppression Leavers may be just around the corner in the UK.


    • Up2snuff says:

      Double, Peter Kyle, MP for Hove was on TOADY this a.m. and suggested a different sort of Peoples Vote, one that will not endear him to many in his Party, the Labour Party.

      He was honest. He revealed himself to be a Remainer from the outset. Many do not and the BBC (on Radio4) let them get away with it. He didn’t propose the specific questions but he did not want a ‘second referendum’ but a Peoples Vote between the PM’s deal, if and when amended, and No Deal.

      I applaud his straightforwardness and honesty although I personally think the time for voting on the EU is over. The people decided in June 2016 and Parliament (thanks to Miller & Others) had their final say on 15 January 2019.

      I don’t think the Parliamentary arithmetic is there yet for the rejected deal. EU bigwigs have said they are not going to shift their position. It would take some fudge from the Eurocrats to give Parliament anything to vote on that will not be rejected by the Labour, Tory & DUP Brexiteers.


  27. Annunaki says:

    Jihadi bride Shamima Begum says Manchester Arena bombing was ‘fair retaliation’ for military strikes in Syria as she reveals she has named her son Jerah ‘after Islamic warlord who massacred infidels’

    In a new interview today, British ISIS bride says terror attacks are ‘retaliation’
    When questioned over atrocities, she changed subject to bombing of jihadis
    She smiled as she insisted she ‘didn’t want to be on the news’ over move to Syria
    She has called the child Jerah, said to be in honour of a 7th century warlord
    Lawyer said in TV interview she is ‘traumatised’ like a First World War soldier

    when the lawyer representing them, Tasnime Akunjee, compared the radicalised youngster to a ‘traumatised’ First World War soldier in a TV interview.

    When Good Morning Britain presenter Richard Madeley insisted she doesn’t look very traumatised, Mr Akunjee replied: ‘You might have said the same thing about a First World War soldier in the middle of shell-shock… they are both [in] warzones.’

    Begum family lawyer has accused Theresa May of ‘having Nazi blood’, said no Muslim should co-operate with police and blamed the security services for ‘creating’ Lee Rigby’s killer

    The lawyer representing jihadi bride Shamima Begum has previously blamed British authorities for ‘creating’ Lee Rigby’s killer, suggested Theresa May has ‘Nazi blood’ for trying to root out extremists and urged Muslims not to cooperate with police.

    Madeley branded the lawyer’s comments ‘foolish’, saying his war veteran grandfather found it very difficult to talk about what he went through.

    It came after Mr Akunjee claimed Nazi war criminals were given a fairer hearing than Begum, and blamed her local council, the police and even her school for letting her go to Syria in the first place.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Sounds like Akunjee has a long career coming as a Labour MP.

      I wonder if Akunjee knows when The Great War was – yeah – that’s the one with the Germa guy Napoleon fighting the Romans right ?


    • Despairada says:

      How many of us have a ‘family lawyer’?

      As for ‘Jihadi bride’ – jihadi slag more like.


    • gaxvil says:

      Yes, WW2 Germans had better treatment – they had a fair trial – then they were hung.
      Why must we tolerate these pieces of filth ?
      So there is much serious concern over the rise of the Right in Europe?
      Well, one way to encourage that rise is to give voice to the likes of Begum and her lawyer.


  28. Annunaki says:

    Syrian man accused of gang rape of 18-year-old girl along with ‘ten others’ in Germany will appear in juvenile court despite being aged 22

    Majd H. is main suspect in gang-rape of 18-year-old in Freiburg, Germany
    At time of assault of 18-year-old there was a warrant out for his arrest for drugs
    Majd H. and a 23-year-old Syrian man has been charged over gang-rape
    Eight others are in custody, while an 11th suspect is still begin hunted by police


  29. jeffD says:

    So, with the biggest shock in politics for years, as seven labour MPs quit, the bbc main news at 6 o’clock decides to go with a factory in Swindon closing as the main story.


  30. Fedup2 says:

    Jeff – bang on – I was astonished – and shouldn’t be by now but they spent 7 minutes on a regional story and then 6 minutes on the character of the official opposition party being anti Semitic and racist – according to its own MPs . One might think that the BBC is anti Semitic .

    The BBC will be desperate to get the story buried as it harms the political party they love .

    I wanted to hear what Jewish group thought of today’s events as well as the views of other politicians and was thinking what sort of reaction the BBC give to a comparatively minor issue – such as TR .

    I’ve gone back to watching a box set .


  31. pugnazious says:

    Astounding how the BBC gets away with it day after day, month after month, year after year, lie after lie.

    We have the BBC telling us that Nissan decided to build its X-Trail in Japan because of Brexit…here today the BBC repeats this lie….‘Rival Japanese carmaker Nissan also cited Brexit as one reason for cancelling plans to build its X-Trail SUV in Sunderland earlier this month.’. Note none of the real reasons are mentioned and never mind that Nissan did not say Brexit was the reason for the decision…the comment about Brexit was tagged on the end of the press release and there was no specific link to this decision and definitely did not say this was the main reason for the decision as so many BBC presenters have been saying.

    Today we also have another little lie about the closure of the Honda plant in Swindon….

    ‘But according to Sky, Brexit is understood to be one factor in the decision, with the carmaker concerned about the imposition of new tariffs after the UK leaves the EU. ‘

    What? ‘According to Sky….’…no, Sky never said an such thing, Brexit might be a marginal influence was what they actually said and in no way emphasised it in isolation giving it a prominence it doesn’t deserve as the BBC do…Sky said there would be speculation Brexit was a reason but nothing had been said yet…especially as Honda had made no comment yet….this comment does not blame Brexit but merely says others will make that link….

    ‘While factors other than Brexit are said to have contributed to Honda’s decision, the timing of its announcement is likely to be viewed as an incendiary development with a no-deal Brexit potentially just under six weeks away.’

    Then there’s this other Sky comment…

    ‘It is tempting, when one reads stories such as the one broken by my colleague Mark Kleinman today about Honda shutting down its Swindon factory, to leap to conclusions.

    Within minutes of the story going live, commentators on Twitter were saying this was yet another consequence of Brexit.

    But while Brexit is hardly helping (we’ll get to that in a second) it is worth in this case being a little cautious about putting it all down to Britain’s decision to leave the European Union.

    For one thing, we have yet to have a formal statement from Honda, so let’s reserve our final judgement for a day or two.

    In the meantime, let’s also bear in mind a few other important factors.

    The first is that Brexit is hardly the only thing happening in the motor industry at present. Indeed, if anything it’s a good few places down the list of major issues and concerns facing multinational motor companies.

    There are the problems faced across the industry with diesel engines.

    There’s the shift to electric powertrains.

    There’s the threat of a global trade war as Donald Trump considers imposing tariffs on car imports.

    […]only a few months ago Japan and the EU signed their free trade deal, meaning tariffs on car exports from Japan are now being eliminated, alongside a host of other trade barriers.

    Suddenly, the economic barriers that might once have persuaded you to locate your plant in the UK have evaporated.

    Then there’s Brexit. And there’s no doubt that for car companies the threat of a no-deal Brexit is of deep concern….[however] In the case of Honda,the likelihood is that, of all these factors, the new Japan-EU trade deal was the most decisive.

    Brexit is unlikely to have helped at the margin: no manager wants unnecessary risk, and Brexit poses all sorts of risks about access to international markets. So perhaps it contributed a bit, but was it the decisive tipping point? Unlikely.

    So no Sky did not say Brexit was understood to be one of the reasons….they said it may have been…but it may have been a marginal reason at best….why is the BBC emphasising Brexit so much as if it was the main reason?

    BBC continually misleading its audience with lies about Brexit. Brexit may certainly have had an impact but in both these cases it was not the main factor…maybe the threat of a Corbyn government is also in manufacturers’ minds….you’d have thought so….not so long ago a report came out that stated Corbyn was seen by Business as more of a threat to them than Brexit…and yet the BBC doesn’t go there.

    From the Guardian…

    Corbyn becoming PM is ‘worse threat to business than Brexit’, says bank

    ‘The prospect of Jeremy Corbyn becoming prime minister is a more serious threat to British business than Brexit, the investment bank Morgan Stanley has warned.

    Morgan Stanley told investors that another general election towards the end of 2018 was likely once Theresa May’s government realised it could not secure the Brexit deal it wants and the Conservative party began to fall apart, opening the door to Labour taking power.’


    • Beltane says:

      Count your blessings Pug, that you don’t enjoy the benefit of your local news coming through the likes of David Garmston – who bases his delivery on the Jon Snow model of impartiality.
      Standing outside the factory gate at Swindon, Garmston ensured his message was reinforced by yet another ‘professor’ this time from Bath Uni, whose first, balanced and informed statement was to blame Brexit, unequivocally.
      The idea of getting an informed opinion from someone in the car industry, aware of world car manufacturing trends, the effects of climate change propaganda on sales together with the massive hits on diesel car sales through largely unsubstantiated but feverishly promoted figures – which conveniently ignore the influences of aircraft, lorries, trains and ships – might have given the wrong message, so a dealer in graphs and prejudice was the obvious choice.


  32. Dystopian says:

    Absolute proof that the bbc are pro-labour and anti-Brexit;

    “We’re f**ked’ (due to labour split and Brexit) “


  33. Kaiser says:

    classic brexit bollox


  34. Zelazek says:

    A story on the BBC website about the Israel-Poland row about the Holocaust. It strikes me that neither Israel nor Poland wants to admit the truth and the BBC is confused because it doesn’t really like either government. The truth is that in any population under occupation, three types emerge: Most people just want to keep their heads down and hope to survive as best they can. Then there are always a few brave heroes. But there are also always a few evil collaborators, no matter which people we are talking about. It’s human nature. Poland does not want to face the fact that some Poles collaborated with the Nazis and Israel certainly can’t bear the idea of Jews doing the same, even though both these things happened. But I know from the stories that I have heard from the Polish community here in Britain that ordinary Polish families risked their lives to save Jews. I admire both Poland and Israel, so to see them squabbling like this fills me with dismay. By the way, a Pole told me that the people they hated most in WW2 were Ukrainians. The Germans would put a bullet in the back of your head but the Ukrainians would sadistically torture you before killing you. This was the subject of a recent Polish film called Hatred – Murder of the Innocent.


    • Beltane says:

      The Germans have always enjoyed a reputation for efficiency, but without the enthusiastic co-operation of most of the European occupied countries involved, the location, assessment, access and transportation of their Jewish populations would not have been so easily achieved. Unpalatable perhaps, but true.
      It is also true that a very high proportion of camp guards were Ukrainians along with Latvians and Lithuanians. Contrary to popular belief, the SS did not use front-line troops to run camps.


      • PeterT says:

        Even some French and Dutch assisted the Germans to round up Jews and transport them to camps. I think there was some, but little, co-operation with the Germans in Norway. The resistance and others in these countries helped many Jews to escape – certainly the Danish-Jewish population was small, around 10,000 but the vast majority were helped by the Danish people to escape to the UK and Sweden. Quite remarkable. The majority of people in these countries did as little as possible to assist the Germans but when a nation is invaded there are always some who will assist them, unfortunately, even in Britain if we had been invaded. The harsh words between Poland and Israel I think are because of a misunderstanding and words might have been chosen more carefully.


        • Beltane says:

          Quite true Peter. I was thinking predominantly of France, Italy, Holland, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Greece, Serbia, Romania and Bulgaria – most of which, coincidentally, had enthusiastic indigenous Waffen SS Divisions.


    • TrueToo says:


      It puzzles me that the BBC is generally fair and accurate in it’s reporting on the Holocaust while demonstrating implacable, grinding and unthinking bias against Israel.

      Apparently Jewish victims of the Nazis are worthy of honest, even sympathetic reporting while Jewish-Israeli victims of neonazis Hamas, Fatah and Hezbollah are not.

      Could be that the BBC is so pickled in it’s far- left ideology that it cannot but see Israel as the oppressor of the poor, innocent Palestinians.

      There are several damning photos on the Net of Hamas and Hezbollah doing the Nazi salute. I doubt the BBC would dare look at them.


      • gaxvil says:

        ‘ ………….it cannot but see Israel as the oppressor of the poor, innocent Palestinians.’
        Can that be the opinion of everyone employed by the bbc?
        Granted, it’s an opinion but it’s not a fact.


        • TrueToo says:


          Certainly the BBC political reporters are of one mind when it comes to Israel (and not only Israel of course).

          There are very rare exceptions to this rule, as when Panorama (I think it was) took a balanced look at the Mavi Marmara incident back in 2010.

          Yolande Knell, Orla Guerin, Paul Adams, Kevin Connolly, Jeremy Bowen, Rupert Wingfield-Hayes, Lyse Doucet and many others all sing from the same hymn sheet on Israel.

          And of course there was Alan Johnston, thankfully now no longer reporting from his snug post, embedded as he was for years with Hamas terrorists in Gaza.


      • Zelazek says:

        TrueToo – I think you’re right. They look at the Middle East through an ideological lens and misread events. Perhaps their biggest mistake is to think that the absence of a Palestinian state is the fundamental cause of every problem in the Arab world and the justification for every sort of Muslim atrocity. As well as that, because they continually ignore the Arabs’ stated aim of the annihilation of Israel, they don’t understand when Israel takes sensible measures that ensure its security and survival.


        • TrueToo says:

          Zelazek, agreed.

          Re the Arabs’ stated aim of the annihilation of Israel, several years back I Googled around to try to find BBC acknowledgement of that indisputable fact. It was quite amusing seeing the BBC approach the dreaded subject on eggshells on a rare occasion or two and then shrink back in fear of accurately reporting what is in the Hamas charter and shared by much of the Arab and broader Muslim world.


  35. Kaiser says:

    “For no normal or good society condemns the innocent while extending the hand of understanding to those who support a barbaric foreign army that dreams of destroying said society.”

    sensible words well said


    • KafirHarbi says:

      You can usually rely on Brendan O’Neill for a common sense opinion but I don’t really find his view satisfactory. Neither is that of Savid Javid – although it has to better than the lily-livered ‘return and rehabilitate’ attitude of our snowflake politicians and media. O’Neill is right in one respect though. We should go and get these people.
      The missing link is what we should be able to do with them once we have brought them back. Javid is wrong to simply do ‘’everything we can” to disown them. They have committed what we hung ‘Lord Haw Haw’ for (not, not that one): Treason.

      ‘On 8 August 2005, it was reported that the UK Government was considering bringing prosecutions for treason against a number of British Islamic clerics who have publicly spoken positively about acts of terrorism against civilians in Britain, or attacks on British soldiers abroad, including the 7 July London bombings and numerous attacks on troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.[63] Following this threat one foreign cleric who the British government had failed to deport fled to Lebanon, only to request to be rescued by the British military during the 2006 Israeli-Lebanon War. However, later that year prosecutors indicted Abu Hamza al-Masri for inciting murder (he was convicted in February 2006), and it now seems unlikely that anyone will be charged with treason in the foreseeable future.’ Wikipedia

      If our useless MPs were more reliable and not busy indulging in their own version of treason thwarting Brexit, they would rally round and do what was required to put a modern treason law back on the stature books pronto. Then we would not only have a good motive to go and fetch young Ms. Begum, but we could make a special point of bringing her back and locking her up for life. The judge would remark that it was appropriate to make an example of her to dissuade her ilk from trying the same treasonous stunt.

      Oh well. . .


      • TrueToo says:

        My thoughts exactly, KafirHarbi

        They should lock them up, throw the key away and deny them Internet so that they cannot spread their hatred of civilization any further.


  36. StewGreen says:

    Begum Backlash : Janice Atkinson MEP says “she’s just terrorist scum”
    ‘Well, we could open a Scottish island Guantamo Bay’

    More from Janice’s Rebel Media pieces


    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      Not on my watch. The Highlands and Islands are my favourite holiday destination.


      • Kaiser says:

        Gruinard might fit the bill


        • Yasser Dasmibehbi says:

          I went to St Kilda about 4 years ago and that struck me as a sort of place to exile people.
          Though I think the conditions there are a bit too luxurious for Jihadis.
          I have never been to Rockall. But if I remember correctly in 1973 Britain annexed it. I read this in my local paper The New Plymouth Daily News it was a four line article headed “Wider Still and Wider”
          I wondered what would it be used for. If it hasn’t been given away perhaps it could be used as a place to plonk returning Jihadis?


  37. StewGreen says:

    ‘On Bunk Off School Friday, I found myself in a TV studio green room with 2 young protesters. Guess what ? They knew little about the true state of Climate’


  38. Lucy Pevensey says:


  39. gaxvil says:

    And the funny thing is, Labour have always accused the bbc of bias against them.


    • Fedup2 says:

      I think that was a planned strategy to shout ‘bias’ when the opposite was the truth . Just a matter of listing Labour MPs who land up at the BBC .


  40. StewGreen says:

    BBC Four It’s Celebrate Caribbean immigrants night again
    – Sunday it was : Caribbean war time heroes and then 90 mins of Windrush stories
    Monday it’s “The First Black Brummies”
    and another 45s mins of Windrush and then Skinheads are bad : “movement became hijacked by thugs and bigots”
    #BBC4BBC : the BBC channel FOR British Black & Caribbean


    • Fedup2 says:

      Thank god there’s footy on BT sport that night …


    • StewGreen says:

      What about Tuesday ?

      BBCFour has a theme these days#BBC4BBC : Tuesday British Black & Caribbean— Media Bias Monitor (@BiasMonitor) February 18, 2019



      • maxincony says:


        What about Tuesday?… BBCFour has a theme these days

        30 mins: Global News

        30 mins: WW1 Railways

        60 mins: Royal History

        60 mins: Black Nurses!!!

        30 mins: Windrush!!!

        60 mins: James May

        60 mins: Paisley Cotton Mill

        60 mins: Henry VIII

        60 mins: TS Eliot

        60 mins: Royal Shoemakers

        60 mins: Royal History

        OMG! The horror!


        • BigBrotherCorporation says:

          That ALL sounds incredibly dull to me.

          Glad I don’t have a licence any more.


        • StewGreen says:

          Maxi that peak time schedule is 50% black
          the UK is actually 3% black


          • maxincony says:

            Stew (as a man i would never look at book of other men’s penises) Green,

            Maxi that peak time schedule is 50% black, the UK is actually 3% black

            Yes, and I noticed BBC1 were showing Chelsea vs Manchester United, yet 99% of the UK isn’t either Chelsea or Manchester?!?!

            You seriously have no idea how pathetic you sound right now do you Stew?


            • StewGreen says:

              Maxi, who sounds “pathetic”
              Remember projection is a libmob characteristic
              … is someone projecting ?

              Person-X says : ‘on BBC4 for 4 nights running, 50% of the progs are targetted at Black/Caribbean people, when only 3% of the country is black”

              Person-Y responds with “*What About* BBC1 were showing Chelsea vs Manchester United, yet 99% of the UK isn’t either Chelsea or Manchester”


              • taffman says:

                You are wasting your time.
                He won’t tell us what motivates his defence and support of an organisation that robs from the poor to give to the rich and an organisation that is blatantly Left Wing and biased against Brexit.


  41. Guest Who says:

    On the Razz, bbc styly…


    • G says:

      “Coming together”? And yes, “Katie Razzall and Yasminara Khan” is a good part of the reason why………….


  42. Lucy Pevensey says:


    • Dave S says:

      The TV is dreadful. And that is what people have to pay for. It is truly sad the way it has gone down in quality. I think they know the game is nearly up .
      It is no longer value for money. The young will kill it off in the end.


  43. StewGreen says:

    Are you psychic ?
    In the Dunelm Family advert
    The mother is what skin colour ?
    The father is … ?


    • StewGreen says:

      Advanced question
      In the Trivago advert family
      The mother is non-white
      so the father is … ?

      FFS the two adverts just followed each other


  44. Roland Deschain says:

    It’s a fair bet Jon Sopel won’t have read it.

    For those on Twitter, it’s well worth checking out. It’s a long list of many supposed racist attacks blamed by the media on Trump supporters which turned out to be nothing of the sort.


    • pugnazious says:

      Just like the supposed EDL attack on a Muslim school in 2013….5 youths arrested…no names, no information and then absolute silence…no news of any charges or any further investigation.

      Guarantee the 5 arrested were Muslim pupils from the school who mounted the ‘attack’ themselves.

      There are grounds for suspicion….from last year…..the same school…

      Weapons found at the ‘Muslim Eton’, Darul Uloom

      ‘The head of an Islamic boarding school dubbed the “Muslim Eton” has been forced out after bladed weapons, a toy gun and £400,000 were found on the premises.

      The Department for Education (DfE) had sought a rare closure order for Darul Uloom school in Chislehurst, southeast London.

      However, the school agreed in court last week to remove the head, Mustafa Musa, his son Yusuf, who was in charge of child safeguarding at the school, and the board of trustees instead.’


    • Guest Who says:

      RD – Or, has, but that now famous bbc editorial integrity intruded with constraints on space and time….

      Might be a bet worth taking.


      • Roland Deschain says:

        I shall be sure to ask him the minute he Tweets unwisely. If he hasn’t blocked me by then.


    • maxincony says:

      Roland Deschain,

      For those on Twitter, it’s well worth checking out. It’s a long list of many supposed racist attacks blamed by the media on Trump supporters which turned out to be nothing of the sort.

      I’m sure a list of attacks that weren’t by right-wing extremists in America, must be very comforting to you.

      However, these are the murders that were:



      • Roland Deschain says:

        Maxi gets null points for missing the point. Deliberately.

        Get back to servicing your clients, dear.


        • StewGreen says:

          Graphic shows that “rightwingers are responsible for almost all killings”
          A scenario that breaks the “too wow to be true”
 it is fishy as heck

          #1 It gives no definition
          If you count Republicans as Far right then of course they will vastly outnumber Islamists, cos their so many of them
          Like saying white people commit most murder in UK
          of course cos whites are 85% of population

          Source of info graphic ADL Anti-Defamation League
          “ADL’s history of spying on activists for apatheid South Africa, Israel”

          \\The graph also counts each incident as one murder even if many ppl were killed. For example,
          Sayfullo Saipov killed 8 people in an Islamist attack in 2017, yet the graph says that only 2 people were murdered by Islamists in 2017. //

          Oh look


          • StewGreen says:

            #1 Ha look at the left Y-axis of the graph
            It seems to count INCIDENTS rather that deaths
            So 911 counts as ONE incident
            So interesting Maxi gives us a graph which doesn’t show us 2001

            Also maybe Maxi can indicate these on the graph
            : the Orlando nighclub shooting 49 dead in 2016
            , the Boston Marathon attack and the Military base shootup by an Islamist soldier
            #2 The ADL seem to have simply defined ever killer as non-left
            But the funny one is one who had converted to Islam ..and yet is described as a “White supremacist” graphic above

            This completely Rubbish graph was also tweeted by BBC R4 Science guy Adam Rutherford
            and he didn’t respond to any criticisms of it


            • maxincony says:

              Stew (as a man i would never look at book of other men’s penises) Green,

              Ha look at the left Y-axis of the graph, It seems to count INCIDENTS rather that deaths

              The end point of your argument is that if 99 “right wing extremists” succeed in murdering one person each and one “Islamist” succeeds in murdering 100 people – then ““Islamists” are the greatest threat.

              One “Islamist” – 99 “Right Wing Extremists”.

              Personally, I don’t actually care; they are all murderous bastards.

              Attempting to “pick a side” [re: was Stalin worse than Hitler? right wing worse than left wing? Blacks worse than Whites? et al] is completely vacuous.

              It’s not a contest. There are no ‘winners’. There’s no patting your self on the back because “your side” has murdered less people than “the other side”.

              But that is all you and your your fellow travellers on BiasedBBC are interested in; “us and them” and “aren’t we great…“.


              • G says:

                Looking at your infrequent contributions reminds me to buy more fly papers.


                • Peter Grimes says:

                  More ‘papier cul’ would be a more appropriate purchase, and Maxi is undoubtedly a supporter of no VAT on sanitary products, used to soak up leakage.


              • Nibor says:

                Maxi is moving the goalposts .


              • Rob in Cheshire says:

                “Stew (as a man i would never look at book of other men’s penises) Green”

                Hi Max:

                You seem to have a bit of a bee in your bonnet that Stewart does not want to look at other men’s penises. Why is that? Isn’t he allowed personal choice in the matter?

                Maybe you have a large collection of books of penises. Any you care to recommend?


          • G says:

            “Graphic shows that “rightwingers are responsible for almost all killings”
            ‘And you aint seen nutin yet’.


      • taffman says:

        maxi /Evan
        Same old guff from you, you old attention seeking troll.
        Go on tell us why you support and defend an organisation that robs from the poor to gives to the rich?
        Your posts are counterproductive, Al Beeb’s viewing figures are falling .


      • Annunaki says:

        A closer look at d ADL data will show the truth: aread the smallprint:
        “Note: Total deaths include both ideologically and non-ideologically motivated killings.”

        In other ADL propoganda, their treatment of “incidents” for example makes one wonder how they classify extremist murders, although likely to be less islamic ones in the US where police will not be pandering to their whims EG Finsbury Park,

        incidents are classified as, for example

        “an alt right group, distributed flyers at California State University in San Marcos”.

        “an alt right group, distributed stickers featuring their group logo.”

        If that is the classification for incidents I would strongly suggest there are islamic terrorist incidents taking place everyday in Bury Park Road Luton where they have been shit stirring in Syria through handing out flyers and having collections for years and years and, most likely around the country but generally within their ghettos so hidden well away

        Data would look rather interesting if islamists in the UK for example at the Finsbury Park mosque were held to account for the literature they have been distributing since 2008


        • Roland Deschain says:

          I admire your fortitude in going to look at the data, because Maxi didn’t put it there to inform but to deflect.

          It quite obviously doesn’t pass the “sniff test” and if MSM journalists employed that simple technique they might avoid reporting so much fake news. But they don’t, because they’re too desperate for it to be true to apply their critical faculties.


      • Do Beeboids Dream of Electric Goats says:

        ADL is a joke about 98% of their so called incidents are people handing out leaflets. When you start scrolling through the thousands of incidents and you come across the odd one where someone got killed or in some cases nobody even got attacked you soon realise that the number of bad incidents are nothing to do with right wing political ideology. When you consider the millions of people murdered by national socialists, communists and islamics this data is quite comical. Here are a few of the bad ones before i gave up scrolling:

        Extremist Murder
        Abingdon, VA
        Right Wing (White Supremacist)
        Roger Melvin Tackett, 44, walked into the residence of an acquaintance and shot him to death during a dispute. According to poice, Tackett has multiple white supremacist tattoos.

        Terrorist Plot/Attack
        Watsonville, CA
        Right Wing (Other)
        An arsonist was caught on video trying to set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Watsonville in July 2018; firefighter were able to extinguish the blaze before serious damage had occurred. A reward has been offered for the perpetrator.

        Extremist Murder
        Dothan, AL
        Right Wing (White Supremacist)
        James Mathis and Amanda Gail Oakes allegedly killed their six-month-old son and put his body in a freezer in a hotel before fleeing to Florida where they were arrested. Mathis was reportedly a member of the Ghost Face Gangsters, a Georgia-based white supremacist prison gang.

        Extremist Murder
        Athens, GA
        Right Wing (Anti-Government)
        Malachi Qaadir Dorns, 19, an alleged self-proclaimed sovereign citizen, reportedly used a knife to kill his brother and wound his mother following an argument.

        Terrorist Plot/Attack
        Plano, TX
        Matin Azizi-Yarand, working with an undercover agent, planned to commit an ISIS-inspired mass shooting at a Frisco shopping mall. He was influenced by ISIS magazines he read online and suggested various ways of killing cops during the shooting, as suggested by the propaganda.

        Terrorist Plot/Attack
        Irvine, CA
        Right Wing (White Supremacist)
        Orange County police officers arrested Nicholas Rose, 26, after a family member tipped them off that Rosen was plotting to kill Jews. A subsequent investigation revealed he allegedly had “kill lists” of prominent Jews and a list of steps he titled “killing my first Jew.” Rose also allegedly was concerned about “white genocide,” a common white supremacist trope.

        Extremist Murder
        Port Aransas, TX
        Right Wing (White Supremacist)
        Jason Auvenshine, 47, killed a man on a skateboard in an auto collision then fled the scene. Prosecutors said Auvenshine was a member of a white supremacist prison gang and even had a gang manual in his vehicle at the time of the collision. In May 2018, Auvenshine was convicted of intoxication manslaughter and failure to stop and render assistance

        Extremist Murder
        Murfreesboro, TN
        Right Wing (White Supremacist)
        John Daniel Carothers, a resident of a Veteran Affairs assisted living home and a white supremacist, allegedly killed his African-American roommate by setting him on fire. He has been charged with first degree murder, aggravated arson and eight counts of reckless endangerment.

        Extremist Murder
        Palm Beach Gardens, FL
        Islamist; Right Wing (White Supremacist)
        Corey Johnson, 17, allegedly went on a stabbing rampage during a sleepover at another house, killing a 13-year old child and severely injuring two others. Johnson had long been obsessed with Nazis and white supremacists and within the past year had also become interested in radical Islam and a fan of Anwar al-Awlaki.

        Extremist Murder
        Parkland, FL
        Right Wing (White Supremacist)
        Nikolas Cruz, 19, conducted a shooting spree at his former high school, Marjory Stoneman Douglas High, killing 17 and wounding 17 more. Based on evidence uncovered by journalists following the shooting, it appears that Cruz was a budding white supremacist–though that does not appear to have been the motive for his spree.


  45. AsISeeIt says:

    And talking of fake news hoaxes, here’s one from across the pond

    ‘As the Jussie Smollett “attack” is looking more and more like a class-4 felony hoax, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) quietly deleted a tweet sympathetic to the Empire actor who claimed that he was assaulted, in what Pelosi uncritically described as a “racist, homophobic attack.” It had over 100,000 “likes” and 21,000 retweets.

    Pelosi is just one snowflake in an avalanche of liberals who accepted Smollett’s bizarre story without so much as questioning the logic behind two Trump supporters, who watch Empire, out at 2 a.m. in a wealthy Chicago enclave, who not only recognized Smollett – but knew he was gay, and happened to be packing a bleach-like substance and a noose (in “MAGA Country).

    The Speaker of the House wasn’t alone in her uncritical support of Smollett – who faces up to three years in prison if charged and found guilty of filing a false police report’.

    Jon Sopel’s latest Tweety thing…

    “Might take day off from reporting ⁦@realDonaldTrump⁩ and just spend the day taking photos of fab trees in autumn”


    • Guest Who says:

      That’s his pinned tweet. His TDS however, strong is almost daily. Feel the hate flow through you, Jon!


  46. pugnazious says:

    Odd then that the brilliant journalist, driven by the search for truth and accuracy, Nick Robinson, absolutely stated this morning that Trump was guilty of colluding with the Russians. Hadn’t realised Mueller had spoken.

    The same Nick Robinson who wheeled in a Democrat politician to comment on Trump and the EU…and then chortled about ‘chlorinated chicken and hormone injected beef’ being imported here #duetobrexit.

    The same Nick Robinson who conducted an utterly hopeless and uninformative interview with hardline Remain MP Peter Kyle who has come up with a wizard wheeze which will ‘solve’ the Brexit impasse…a compromise. Nick Robinson suggested he would be ‘guilty of being an enabler of Brexit’ for doing so. No bias there then.

    But what exactly was this deal? We didn’t really get the full story, the full implications.

    This is a proposal from two Remain Labour MPs [or will that be the two remaining Labour MPs?] who claim theirs is the only way forward and it involves, of course, a ‘People’s vote’.

    I listened hard, maybe not hard enough, but I didn’t hear what alternatives were to be voted on and what happens if the vote is against the deal.

    Turns out, having looked up this breakthrough, new way forward, that it is the same old Remain plot to stop Brexit…no compromise at all, in fact a deliberate and carefully engineered plot to ensure Brexit doesn’t happen.

    So how does it work?

    First, to break the deadlock in Parliament which refuses to back the deal now, er….that same Parliament gets to vote on the deal. Once Parliament has backed the deal then The People get to vote…and the choice? Accept the deal [as agreed by the Remain voting Houses] or stay in the EU. So in or out and out is most likely on the softest terms….essentially staying in the EU.

    The two are trying to pull the wool over our eyes and think we are stupid. The only question should be ‘Does any deal fulfill what was promised, as closely as possible, during the referendum?’…if not the next move is to renegotiate or say ‘no deal’. Indeed these two actually state this in their statement before twisting things completely so that they can ignore it….

    ‘The result of the 2016 EU referendum set parliament a challenge. How to translate the answer to the question asked into a workable Brexit? Will the Brexit devised since then match the promises made? The question remains, however: is it what was promised?’

    Clearly a challenge parliament dodged as they manoeuvered to stop Brexit. Instead of asking does it fulfill the promises made they vote in order to impose their own agenda regardless of the outcome of the referendum.

    There should be no choice of staying in the EU in any further vote should one be forced upon us. The choice should be this deal, a renegotiated deal or a no deal.

    Kyle says…‘The British people may believe Theresa May’s deal is the way forward. They may not. But they need to be asked and we are willing to compromise to find out their answer.’

    So just where is the compromise exactly?

    And haven’t they been asked already!


  47. StewGreen says:

    Enviro : FFS has Harra got his intern doing the cuttingNpasting today
    Has HYS open comments
    Teachers you can take the article into school and have them deconstruct it

    Title : \\ Stores accused of ‘watering down’ bottle deposit scheme//
    Line #2 : \\ Large retailers have been accused of trying to water down a proposed scheme to improve rates of bottle recycling. //
    .. Right kids WHO accused ?

    line #3 : \\ Environmentalists say large and small drinks containers alike should carry a catch-all deposit of more than 15p.//

    Environmentalists say ?
    Remember journos are usually cutNpasting from NGO material
    Look who the article quotes near the end , cos that is usually the source of the Public Relations the journo is cutNpasting
    We see deep down it says
    \\ Samantha Harding from the group Campaign to Protect Rural England says //

    There you go that is the WHO , The environmentalists WHO accused are “Campaign to Protect Rural England”

    \\ The consumer drinks the product, then posts the empty bottle into a *machine* which produces a coupon to return the deposit.//
    … so the project needs machine
    Kids do you think that some corp makes a profit from these machines ?
    Do you think the corp that makes the machines , has a relationship with an NGO
    … Which NGO do you think they have a relationship with ?

    \\ This has led to recycling rates of 97% – whereas in the UK 50%//
    OK advanced kids ..what is the fallacy here ?
    Are you comparing 2 similar situations ?
    No so it is the fallacy of comparing APPLES vs ORANGES
    The UK is trying to keep litter off the streets and collect plastic and deal with it economically eg by sending it to EU high temperature incinerators
    vs Norway which has gone crazy and thrown vast amount of money ..just to say “look at us we are cool we recycle”

    \\Why do *green activists* insist big and small bottles are targeted?
    *Environmentalists* are angry //
    FFS Harra : for *green activists* *Environmentalists* just say CPRE


    • StewGreen says:

      \\”Our countryside, rivers and oceans are choked with plastic”//
      Is that true ? Of course not
      So what PR trick is that ?
      Yes dramaqueening or Drama Greening

      Now normally after cutNpating Harra will ring around his Green NGO pals for an alarmist quote
      ..Who do you spot ?
      Yes , “Greenpeace and “the think tank Green Alliance”

      How many no-green sources does Harra use to balanace them ?

      The end
      \\ One very intriguing suggestion appears from the latest papers, for instance. //
      Note how that sentence ends without adding the suggestion as if Harra rushed or edited it out

      \\ The government thinks a well-managed recycling and resources policy can actually make money, rather than costing it.//
      Magical Thinking is a characteristic of green articles
      In the real world you can’t get more money out than the consumer paid in the first place,
      but corps can make money from reprocessinng
      The best the consumer can expect is that a waste material has the same value to a corp as it costs them to process
      eg aluminium cans at a pop festival. (I’ve worked on this)

      Note Harra doesn’t fish for negatives against green things
      You have to look in the commenst (try the lowest rated)


  48. StewGreen says:

    “PM” programme on R4, there was an item about “fake news” minute 41

    After playing a video supporting the fact that the earth was flat, as an example, there was a discussion

    Evan Davis “we know that the earth is round, that one is pretty clear, but most of the time knowledge is a bit fuzzy.
    Even on climate change, it’s only sort of 99.9% certain, it’s not 100% certain.

    (fallacy of Misrepresentation cos CC has various definitions
    eg that Climate varies naturally
    or that “OMG theere is CO2 Catastrophe and we’ll all be dead next week”
    or X, Y, Z )

    This implied that not believing in (CATASTROPHIC) “climate change” (THEORY) was almost as stupid as believing the earth was flat.


  49. Doobster78 says:

    Nina the business reporter at 6.40am desperate, and I mean desperate to pin the Honda decision on brexit. However , the industry EXPERT she had on was having none of it.

    He highlighted several business / global market reasons but again she said the union’s are saying it’s down to brexit and the Prime minister’s inability to get a deal. Pushing and pushing him to blame brexit as the main driver.

    If it’s down solely to brexit, why are they not intending to close til 2022 ??.

    Yesterday they interviewed a worker who said that’s him now jobless …. Interviewer loved that dramatic soundbite as he had kids , a wife ..very dramatic indeed !!! But, he has got another 3 years (it’s not closing tomorrow), but never mind facts hey. It’s nasty brexit taking the food from his children’s mouths !!!!