Weekend Open Thread 16 February 2019

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  1. pugnazious says:

    “Down with caviar, long live the kebab!”
    gilets jaune graffiti.

    It is interesting non? The BBC is now raising its game and turning its big guns onto the ‘Far-Right’, or anyone remotely right-leaning it seems, whilst totally ignoring the Far-Left.

    The BBC has always tried to portray the Yellow-Vests in France as Far-Right and yet their ideology seems to be more Left inspired than Right…they fight against globalisation, exploitation by Big Business and the political elites, and inequality.

    Indeed here is Grace Blakely, Brexit supporter and ‘Hard-Left’ Corbyn supporter…

    ‘Financial Globalisation Has Been a Disaster. Brexit Gives Us a Chance to Resist It’
    Any attempt to build a socialist government in the UK requires opposing global financial capital, the interests of which are protected by international institutions such as the EU.’

    The BBC will normally tell you that anyone who uses such terms and resists ‘global finance and international capital’ is an anti-Semite because we know that all Jews are filthy rich and control the world…thus oppose globalisation and international finance and capitalism you are an anti-Semite….paradoxically reinforcing the anti-semitic message that Jews rule the world! You can’t criticise international finance because so many international financiers, like Soros, are Jewish thus you must be anti-Semitic if you use terms like global financiers etc.

    Funny then how the BBC reports, or fails to…

    Yellow-vest protests: Macron condemns anti-Semitic abuse

    …and makes absolutely no mention of the ‘Far-Right’. The Yellow-Vests were making the same ‘protests’ that the likes of Corbyn and his fellow-travelers use about ‘Zionists’, Palestine and the Jews….

    ‘What insults did you hear?

    I heard very badly but there were cries of hate, like “Finkie throw in the canal”, “dirty Zionist”, or insults related to Palestine. I was treated to people telling me “shut up”, recalling what I had shouted on a show. I did not hear “dirty Jew” ‘

    Alain Finkielkraut is an Israel supporter and getting abuse for it. So very Labour Party these days.

    Whilst the BBC makes no mention of the Far-Right, which is very, very unusual for the BBC, it also makes no mention of the Far-Left…maybe because this is what they were and the BBC wants to downplay left-wing anti-semitism…you can hear this narrative all the time on the BBC…only yesterday on al Beeb we heard that it was only the Far-Right that were causing the rise of anti-semitism in Europe…of course the importation of millions of Muslims and the rise of the Far-Left has nothing to do with it.

    Paradox that the BBC’s ‘Far-Right’ Brexiteers and anti-globalisation leftists are on the same war-path for the same reasons and yet it is the Brexiteers who are labelled Far-Right..because one of their demands is a proper control of immigration and if they complain about the likes of Soros trying to buy Brexit they are labelled anti-smeites by the BBC for using the same language as the Left about globalisation and capitalism.

    Macron is using the same tactic as the BBC…trying to demonize anyone who opposes him as racist because otherwise he would lose the argument.

    Opposing the EU, Brexit and anti-globalisation is as much a Left-wing narrative as Right…and yet the BBC paints it in primary colours as a Far-Right narrative ignoring all the context and issues that go far beyond trade and jobs that really lie behind the vote to leave the EU…other than immigration of course.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Someone said the EU is a 1945 construct in a 2020 world . I always saw it as a left wing socialist model with a strong touch of RC attached to it .

      Apart being undemocratic I think its chief fault is free movement of labour . Fine idea but wrong in practice when it is far easier to communicate and move than when first thought up .

      And fails as the insanity one state just letting a million aliens in without agreement of the EU because the country – Germany – thinks it is the EU . A view with which I agree.

      I just hope that when we are out of it others will give serious consideration to leaving too . And subsequently destroy the EU as currently configured and replace it with the ‘ never closer’ association of States

      If the BBC favours it – it must be Far Left…


      • Mr Natural says:

        Sunday Quiz

        “Aboard his yacht Grille at Kiel he told (the minister) in May of his vision of a United States of Europe under German leadership. ‘Years, perhaps even decades of work toward that end,’ commented the minister in his diary. ‘But what an end!’”

        Q: Who had this vision, and who was the minister?

        (Hint: The man with the vision had only one ball, and the poor minister had none at all. )

        So yes, an idea born out of socialist totalitarianism.


  2. G says:

    I have to confess that I’m one of those who joined the Conservative Party solely for the purpose of re-jigging the leadership voting. I’m, along with thousands of others, waiting patiently for my chance.
    The foreigners wishing to take over the UK have used our laws to assist them. We, on the other hand, have numbers. We should use both the law and our numbers to make change. Whilst the numbers still count…………….


  3. Fedup2 says:

    The Isis terrorist girl has given birth to a Mohammed – according to the remainer mail . She seems to have survived the birth – unfortunately

    Am I being too harsh ? No – but she and her friends would have chopped my head off as a non believer —and yours too in the ISIS State

    I’m waiting for some lefty to start screaming ‘ moral panic ‘

    At least that’s one ‘ excuse’ for bringing her to the UK . I’m sure – as we speak – her parents are on their way to the girl for a family reunion . Then ban them from coming back .


    • Fedup2 says:

      Today’s Project Fear winner is …

      An airline which has failed ‘ because of Brexit ‘

      There is a hilarious segment on the internet of the current NI Secretary ( who?) announcing that the said air line will be continuing its route from Derry Derry Londonderryderry ( take yer pic) – an announcement said politician made last Thursday .

      So many thick MPs eh?


    • davylars says:

      Statement from her lawyers say both in good health.
      So, what are we supposed to do? — Hand out cigars


    • Kaiser says:

      the only way to stop these type of things is the deport the entire extended family


  4. StewGreen says:

    Peter Shilton comes out as fully behind Nigel Farage
    ..”Yes Gary Lineker is a good friend, but I disagree completely with him on Brexit”
    Move slider to 1h29m

    The Begum woman has had her baby
    ..It will be half British, half Dutch cos the father is Dutch
    … Why is no one considering them going to Holland ?

    Rest of the 2 hours was a waste of time ..banging on about Begum ..A Distraction not news


    • Guest Who says:

      She seems to have won the hearts of many a hardened MSM editor, many of whom seem, by sheer chance, to have been knocking about for the shower.

      The entire rest of the population here, bar the odd Graun subscriber… not so much.


  5. StewGreen says:

    So Twitter what are you pushing at me today ?


  6. G.W.F. says:

    Is Trump losing the plot?
    He wants the Isis killers to return and face trial. Is he unaware that with our lefty judiciary, backed by media and fellow travellers, these returning Isis fighters – in the unlikely event they will be put on trial – will get light sentences, early release and enjoy life on benefits and free housing at the taxpayer’s expence.



    • Kaiser says:

      Maybe he imagines our prisons to be like american supermaxes and life to mean life.

      More likely he doesn’t think america should have to pay to keep them all in gitmo


      • theisland says:

        Anything is better than bringing them back here.
        Ex-military agree with us.


        • G.W.F. says:

          We give large amounts of aid to many Islamic countries. Just one phone call – hey take these Isis people and give them citizenship and do what you want with them, or we cut your aid.


    • Roland Deschain says:

      Every time I think he’s losing the plot it turns out he’s playing a higher dimension of chess than most of us can see. I can only think he wants the powers-that-be to demonstrate their inability or unwillingness to deal with these matters and stoke up anti-establishment (for want of a better phrase) feeling.


      • Fedup2 says:

        I m thinking of putting a bet on which day next week the terrorist and baby terrorist lands in the UK, gets off the plane and says she’s a remainer….


    • Guest Who says:

      Whatever happens in the USA, one can be assured the BBc North America team will:

      A) Back a horse, when they should not. And,
      B) Back the wrong one.

      The mystery MAGA mobster and the attempted execution by shoving of Jon Sopel’s personal groomer has now joined this as ‘that which was HUGE, but now is maybe best left aside’:



  7. StewGreen says:

    … OK lets dip into the food prog
    Title : “Should I boycott palm oil?” …Oh FFS

    Presenter Sheila Dillon “so 10 years ago you really should have boycotted palm oil, but now the trees have ben cut down , what ?
    ..Famous Indian chef man, you used to be a big supporter of palm oil”
    Chef man “although the plantation I visited was great the nearby ones could have been bad
    .. so now we don’t use much palm , we stopped using ghee mostly
    .. We get rapeseed from BBC Adam Henson’s farm in the Corswolds”


  8. Kaiser says:

    when even lefties think the russia conspiracy theorists have gone off the deep end


  9. StewGreen says:

    13:54pm Now on R4 Adrian Goldberg is plugging an eco-train
    runs on LPG and flywheel
    ..The track into Stourbridge is just 1.3Km
    It’s been running for 10 years

    1.3Km is pointless ..I’d always just walk


  10. StewGreen says:

    a neighbour just recommended two Daily Express columnists
    Wednesdays : Ann Widdecombe

    Friday’s : Frederick Forsyth


  11. Coeur de lion says:

    So with a heavy heart I tuned in to Question Time. My verdict?

    Jacob Rees Mogg:

    Soft on Islam. Soft on the causes of ‘radical’ Islam.

    Not good enough, Jacob.


  12. pugnazious says:

    The BBC website is shot through, absolutely peppered, with anti-Brexit stories on just about every page. Yesterday we had George Parker from the pro-EU extremist rag the FT running Week in Westminster…it was anti-Brexit lie after lie…apparently the British economy is the worst in the EU…never mind Germany and France’s GDP fell more than ours did. He wheeled in has-been George Osborne, fellow pro-EU extremist running another media publication. Osborne was brought in to attack the government’s approach to China…naturally linked to Brexit as we want deals with China.

    ‘”You’ve got the defence secretary engaging in gunboat diplomacy of a quite old-fashioned kind.

    “At the same time as the chancellor of the exchequer and the foreign secretary are going around saying they want a close economic partnership with China.

    “Ultimately it’s the responsibility of Theresa May to sort this out. At the moment it looks all at sea.”‘

    Osborne sneered at what he called ‘gunboat diplomacy’ and there was mocking of May saying we would have a golden age with China. Oddly not mentioned was that it was Osborne who first claimed this…..

    ‘”Let’s stick together and make a golden decade for both our countries.”‘

    He totally brushed aside concerns about human rights abuses and the Chinese drive to increase, and flex, its military influence and power around the world not least by illegally building military bases on islands it doesn’t own…which is the reason Britain, and others, are sending ships to the area to project power in order to restrain China’s military ambitions. Entirely sensible and pragmatic…nothing to stop trade deals at the same time.

    Ironically whilst refusing to answer any questions about China’s actions at the time he claimed this in an email…

    ‘ “We don’t see a choice between securing growth and investment and raising human rights issues. We do both consistently, and indeed I have done so in meetings here in China.”’

    But now he does see a choice….it’s either pandering to the Chinese and turning a blind eye or ‘gunboat diplomacy’….can’t have trade as well a responsible criticism and restraint off China’s human rights and foreign policy.

    Parker also wheeled in some pro-EU government minister who claimed to be the ‘moderate’ centre but every word seemed couched in fairly extremist terms as he maligned Brexiteers and Brexit….with absolutely no objection from Parker who gave him free-rein to say what he liked unchallenged.

    An extremely one-sided, anti-Brexit take on the world from the BBC…how unusual.


    • gaxvil says:

      Why do they bother? It can only be about power – just as the Democrats have conspired to carry out a coup against Trump.
      The bbc is attempting a coup against the people of this country by attempting to usurp a democratic vote.
      Is that not criminal?
      Will they attempt to overturn the next General Election result?
      And yet the bbc are not even a political party, they are just a media organisation. It’s simply not good enough how those with the power simply keep turning a blind eye.


  13. gaxvil says:

    Not sure come the next GE I’ll have anyone to vote for now that our three traditional parties have made themselves – yes they’ve done it to themselves – utterly unelectable.
    The country is crying out for leadership and change.


    • Roland Deschain says:

      Come the next election the BBC and the rest of the media will continue to broadcast the pretence that the three (four in Scotland) main parties are arguing about any substantial differences.

      More and more people can see that you’ll get broadly the same whichever of those parties is elected. If we want to make a difference we must agree a common strategy on who to vote for outside those parties, even where we may not fully agree with the agenda. Nothing will change for the better until the current parties are humbled, and we must risk unpredictable outcomes unless we would rather head in the same inexorable direction as at present.


    • G says:

      My thinking so far is to ‘spoil’ my slip. “None of the above”. Perhaps.


  14. taffman says:

    The first duty of any British Government is to defend the nation and its people. ‘The chickens are coming home to roost’ and they knew this well over two years ago…………………..
    Has H.M Government done anything about protecting us?
    Will they do anything to protect us?


  15. Kaiser says:


    another stabbing not to mourn


    • Dover Sentry says:


      But this is what a Police manager had to say:

      “”Ch Insp Bennett added: “At this stage of the investigation there is nothing to suggest that this is a hate crime but we are keeping an open mind on the motive at this time.” “”


  16. taffman says:

    Now its threats from Porsche . Brexitphobia couldn’t get more absurd! ………………
    Right that’s it, that’s the last Porsche I am going to buy, its Aston Martin for me next! 😀
    Isn’t it strange that Volkswagen haven’t joined in yet ?
    Are these people real?


  17. StewGreen says:

    LBC this week 10am regular presenter James O’Brien is on holiday.
    Thank God a break from the bigot
    … Nope a wall of Remainer Metro-Liberal bigotry has been lined up
    Monday: David Lammy
    Tuesday: Emily Thornberry
    Wednesday: Tom Watson
    Thursday: Anna Soubry
    Friday: Jess Phillips


  18. gaxvil says:

    “There can be no changes to the Irish “backstop”, an arrangement to avoid a hard border between European Union member Ireland and British-ruled Northern Ireland after Brexit.
    Estonian President Kersti Kaljulaid told Reuters.”

    Well heck! If the President of Estonia says – that’s it then.


  19. Sluff says:

    And THE top story on BBC news webshite as at 1705 on Sunday 17 Feb. is that some woman terrorist apologist and supporter in Syria has given birth.
    I just couldn’t give a f***, are you listening Al Beeb ?

    Mind you, what’s the betting the SWP are already planning their ‘Jutice4Shamima’ campaign’?
    Which the LeftMob and their buddies at the world’s finest impartial Islamic broadcaster will no doubt be eager to feature.


    • Guest Who says:

      Sky seems to have been awarded the main contract.

      I just noticed they have a ‘Why You Can Trust Us’ sticker, just like the BBC. Leads to:


      Which no one sane would trust ever again. Just like the BBC.


      • Rich says:


        I caught a bit of that on Sky ( I watched it on You Tube as I’ve disconnected the box, no more bBBC tv) and just found it abhorrent.

        “It was nice at first, just like the videos”.

        John Sparks and Sky News should hang their heads in shame.


        • Guest Who says:

          A deal with the devil has been made.

          Hopefully the result will work out as such deals tend to do.


  20. Greisingel says:

    Car thief crushed by pursuing police. Well done. Next time crush the life out of the vermin. But what gets me is BBCs trigger warning: “contains some violence and upsetting scenes.” Well, f***** man up. The world isn’t a big liberal idealist cotton wool booboo land for wieners. Vermin like that deserve instant annihilation. Some Abdul, brother of two murdering camel jockeys, got knifed to death in Brighton. I wept for a long while and felt the awfulness of a lost life. He’s human too isn’t he? He deserves a life and a chance in spite of the Koran’s message of hatred? We must welcome back that poor Islamist girl and her issue. It was all a terrible mistake. She didn’t know what she was doing. She’d been radicalised. Like the bbc does for the progressive movement. Let us hug a car thieving hoodie and while we’re at it, cuddle a scimitar wielding mullah. Bollocks


    • chancygardner says:

      Spot on Greisingel. Also, I have to say that I had to read the news article around three times before I could work out what al beeb was trying to avoid saying. I couldn’t work out (and still cant to be honest) how the missing driver of the vehicle managed to stab this poor unfortunate innocent in the back while driving and how this made him crash the car. It was like like an Eric Morecambe, “I’ve written all the words down about the incident….but not necessarily in the right order”


  21. taffman says:

    “Theresa May urges Tory MPs to unite and back deal”
    Message to Al Beeb……………
    Mrs Chamberlain doesn’t really want to leave the EU. The deal is not really independence for Great Britain.
    Well over two years ago we voted for independence. Why are we waiting so long ?


    • Lefty Wright says:

      The clock is still ticking towards crash out time. I realise that our PM is ostensibly a remainer but as long as she does nothing to stop the clock then she has my support. The voters want out and just maybe Mrs May will deliver. Fingers, legs and eyes crossed.


      • taffman says:

        Lefty , you have more faith in her than I.
        The delay and uncertainty for the last two years has damaged many companies . We should have left soon after the referendum.
        She has achieved nothing in her negotiations with the EU . Nothing!


        • Lefty Wright says:

          I don’t consider a “no deal” outcome as nothing. Who knows, come 29th March we may all stand shoulder to shoulder, pint in hand, singing Theresa jolly good fellow. I certainly hope so. Stranger things have happened.


  22. seismicboy says:

    The seismicboy returns
    I see in my absence the bbc has not changed much with its pathetic liberal values.
    “IS teenage bride Shamima Begum gives birth to boy”
    aka a terrorist whore. She doesn’t mind seeing people’s heads chopped off in a bin. WTF?


  23. Fedup2 says:

    Hello seisicboy – welcome back.


  24. popeye says:

    Not the Beeb – I avoid it wherever possible – but Sky is just as bad (though it’s Freeview so I don’t pay for it). Interviewing Dolly Parton the interviewer says “you’re the queen of songwriting, are you ever, like this country, what with Brexit coming up…” I didn’t hear any more as I shouted WTF and woke the wife up from her snooze. But honestly, WTF!


  25. Fedup2 says:

    Popeyes – “so what you’re really saying is “….that the BBC is coming around that the UK is actually leaving the ReichEU….

    At last …


  26. Guest Who says:



  27. gaxvil says:

    Had there not been the witnesses and cameras, I reckon Sopel would have done a Smollett. Both spineless, pathetic, nonentities.


  28. StewGreen says:

    I’m sure that we thank everyone who helped in WW2 wherever they came from
    So yes fine with the 9pm BBC Four show
    : Fighting for King and Empire: Britain’s Caribbean Heroes
    .about \\Thousands of Caribbean men and women volunteered to come to Britain during World War Two //
    but I don’t agree
    with their next statement
    \\ but their contribution has largely been forgotten //

    AND see this tweet

    Can someone at @BBCFOUR explain why it has commissioned and is showing a programme featuring (and produced by) @Marcwads, who was expelled by @UKLabour last year following highly-publicised racist remarks made to Jewish MP @RuthSmeeth?
    What is going on?@JewishLabour @BBCPolitics
    Euan Philipps (@EuanPhilipps) February 17, 2019


  29. BRISSLES says:

    Can we assume that this Begum tart would not be making headlines if her Dutch husband had not been imprisoned, and would continue to be happily married in her chosen Islamic state ?


  30. BRISSLES says:

    Just a chuckle, but just watching Dolly Parton on the red carpet to see 9 to 5 the Musical, but standing behind her are SIX burley bodyguards scanning the crowd and rooftops !!!! I ask you, this is an aged Country singer with more ‘security’ than Trump, and considering she has a huge gay following, what IS the problem ??? I’m still laughing.


  31. davylars says:

    11th Feb BBC news announce : Search for Shackleton’s lost ship Endurance begins.


    14th Feb BBC news announces : Search for Shackleton’s lost Endurance ship called off


    A little bit vague, but further investigation shows it to be too much sea ice.
    Obviously not what fits the agenda…


  32. StewGreen says:

    What type of Remainer ?


  33. Fedup2 says:

    Ha ha – I tried to put up the ‘remainer calendar ‘ floating around twitter but failed … it’s worth a look … particularly for Evette cooper -balls €€€…


    • gaxvil says:

      Around German 750,000 German jobs are dependent on exports to the UK.
      Heard it on the bbc WS from a German so, unless it was said to elicit sympathy and change the minds of us leavers – it must be true.


  34. theisland says:

    Yellow vests charged because I assume they fought back.
    All named.
    A result for the Met. Yay!


    The protesters were demanding a no-deal Brexit, an end to immigration, and an end to what they see as mainstream fake news and justice for three teenage boys killed by a drink-driver in London in 2018.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Strange that they don’t report alleged Muslim paedophiles charged with rape and similar charges with the same prominence isn’t it . Reform the BBC


      • Up2snuff says:

        Language, mind the language. 😉


        • Fedup2 says:

          Ok Up2 – I’ve reported myself and warned myself and changed the word from ‘kill’ to ‘reform’ …. happy imogee.


          • Up2snuff says:

            Fed, I think we do have to be careful on here, especially at the present time. Not just to respect our democracy and paid Representatives but also because the pro-Remainers and sympathetic media will make a big thing out of any perceived slight or hurt done by Brexiteers. See: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-47266406

            “Wise as serpents, harmless as doves.” 😉 😉


    • StewGreen says:

      Yesterday their own vids said
      ‘look at the police manhandling this pregnant woman’ etc.


  35. Fedup2 says:

    Can anyone help me ? Has the Emir of Londonistan or the local Labour PM or the Corbyn or the Shadow Home Secretary … had anything to say about the ISIS terrorist who wants to come to an enemy country …?


    • Up2snuff says:

      Fed, I’m hoping that our present Home Sec will ask himself in this difficult matter not ‘What would Jesus do?’ but ‘What would Margaret Thatcher* do?’

      (* Sajid Javid’s Uni ‘Pin up Girl’)


  36. Fedup2 says:

    He must be cursing that the house of expenses isn’t on its planned holiday … or maybe actually it might cause a bit of discomfort ..which is nice …


  37. Fedup2 says: