Midweek Open Thread 16 January 2019

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  1. RJ says:

    I don’t think I can bring myself to watch the BBC’s 10pm news. It will be wall to wall EU propaganda.

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  2. Burgsey says:

    …why do I keep having deja vu moments with Brexit! Listen out for the can being kicked soon!

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  3. TrueToo says:

    Vote of no confidence tomorrow?

    What will it take to get May to do the decent thing and step down?

    And what will it take for Jacob Rees-Mogg to rise to the occasion and free the country from the clutches of the EU?

    I doubt there is anyone else who could do it.

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    • The General says:

      He can’t, she won the no confidence vote so is safe for 12months.
      What should happen, but won’t, is that a delegation from the Conservatives should confront her and demand she steps down immediately. Someone like Dominic Rabb could then stand in as temporary Leader until a proper election can be held in 6 months time.
      I feel however she is so THICK (not just stubborn) that she will insist on staying.

      If say 30+ Conservative MPs trooped into Downing Street en-mass in a show of strength to demand she goes, then just maybe she could be shamed into doing the right thing.

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      • TrueToo says:

        The General,

        Thanks for that. I see I will have to do some more homework to catch up.

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        • taffman says:

          IMHO
          Mrs Chamberlain wins ‘no confidence vote’ and as she does not intend to stand at the next GE, the Tory Party replace her PDQ with a new leader.
          Now lets see? ……………………..

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      • TheRebelUK says:

        She is a liar and traitor because she said no deal is better than a bad deal but never mean it. General, your right she is so thick that the EU have walked all over her and at every stage of these negotiations. At least when Raab was brexit secretary he resigned because he knew how shite that deal was like with Davies.
        Clean brexit is all that can fix this now and then the EU negotiate with us and don’t dictate terms. Get rid of May and put someone who puts our country first and it’s not just about economics, it’s about being free to be an independent self governing nation again.

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        • NCBBC says:

          She is a liar and traitor because she said no deal is better than a bad deal but never mean it.

          But what if is it is true, and the show we are seeing is a charade to lead us to True Brexit, as wanted by the people.

          I pray that it is. For if she lands us on that spot, all the big game politicians, and financiers will be stumped by the simple question that they openly state that they want to thwart the British people. This is exactly the tactic she is using against Corbyn. Corbyn does not know how to respond. All he can respond is to demand May cuts out a No Deal exit. She simply ignores it. Now why is that.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      TT, it is illogical for JRM to vote against leaving the EU. I write with the benefit of hindsight, the ERG will obviously support the Government.

      If the Government lose the Vote of Confidence Brexit may be postponed or cancelled.

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      • TrueToo says:

        Up2snuff,

        Yes, I’m sure the eminent Jacob Rees-Mogg will side with the government today. He is not the kind of man to be disloyal to his own and help usher in the opposition.

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    • tarien says:

      Calling for a No Vote of confideidence in the Government won’t have done any favours for that nationalist socialist cretin Corbyn, if I was a labour voter I would be seeking a vote of no confidence in his leadership in fact a challenge to his leadership-who would take his place another……..I…d…t no doubt and as wet as a scrubber as they say in the Navy. However I suspect that as it is highly unlikely that Mrs May will get one inch of movement from the EU negotiators therefore another candidate for Premiership should be found to get on with the job of this United Kingdom leaving the EU. Who? For goodness sake it should be a Leave MP such as JRM.

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      • TrueToo says:

        Treason May should concede she has utterly failed as leader and hand the reins to the eminent Mogg, provided Mogg will accept the reins, if that’s how it works.

        Unfortunately Mogg has indicated before that he has no ambition to lead the party. But perhaps that’s out of gentlemanly loyalty to May.

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        • honestus says:

          tarien,
          ‘I suspect that as it is highly unlikely that Mrs May will get one inch of movement from the EU negotiators’.

          In all honesty why should they budge. Two thirds of our own parliament are intent on reneging on the referendum result and their own manifesto commitments to ensure that we remain a part of the EU. In fact, the EU have more representation in our parliament than the people of this country has and they will sit back patiently as the collaborators drag us back in chains to once again embrace the EU federal family of the subjugated.

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      • NCBBC says:

        Calling for a No Vote of confideidence in the Government was a total waste of time . All it did was to help T May in what ever plan she has in her mind.

        Step by deliberate time wasting step, to a really stinky deal (which was designed to fail), to an Umm muddled impasse at the last minute is policy. I mean, you couldn’t make such a WA policy unless by design.

        The French would say “never trust the Anglais”.

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  4. KafirHarbi says:

    Well perhaps Brexit got a little more distant tonight – perhaps not – let’s see.

    Either way if Brexit doesn’t come to pass then we owe it to ourselves to punish the BBBC for their traitorous role in this course of events.

    In the event of no Brexit – let’s pledge to start a campaign of mass license fee disobedience. I know, I know, many on this site are already there. But let’s recruit the 17m disgruntled people to target the BBBC as the culprit. They will want to focus their wrath somewhere. Where better?

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  5. Roland Deschain says:

    A typical item on the BBC News at Ten right now.

    Interview with Leaver businessman: “But isn’t a no deal Brexit a risk to your company?”

    Interview with Remain businessman: “What would you like to see happen now?”

    BBC Brexit Rule #1. Always emphasise possible downside of leaving, never the possible opportunities. And never challenge a Remainer.

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  6. BRISSLES says:

    I used to think my ex career in estate agency was just one rung up from car and double glazing salesmen, but we now live in an era where politicians are the new kids in the gutter !

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    • StewGreen says:

      @Brissles These MP’s are like a team of salesmen on the cusp of a massive bonus . They just have to sell this StopBrexit house, so will tell the customer whatever crap it takes to make that sale.

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  7. Dave S says:

    I think we need to look at what is going on in France. The situation there could suddenly deteriorate and Macron’s position become impossible. If Macron falls and then the EU totters and everything starts to become fluid. In addition the EU elections are coming soon and victories Europe wide for the nationalist parties will make the current regime in Brussels isolated.
    Given this I cannot see why Brussels is so intransigent with us. Other than the usual reasons of stubborn stupidity.
    It also exposes our leave lobby which has allied itself with this soon to be discredited regime .

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    • Greisingel says:

      It is intransigent because the eu house of cards is teetering on the brink. Those twats in the Duma have helped bankrupt one country after another with ludicrous loans and promises (Greece for example). These morons must justify their outrageous salaries by concocting endless rules and regulations creating a mountain of red tape and daft liberal ideologies.

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    • tarien says:

      Very interesting and much along what my own investigation of events in France have concluded-I lived and worked in France for a number of years and from French friends the tide of Macrons rule could well end, but remember Macron was the blue eyed boy of the Elisits Bankers and they may well have another say in who takes over.

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    • Beltane says:

      They are intransigent Dave because like all bullies in a state of panic, they bluster and bluff, hoping to convince themselves and others of their strength and heroism.

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  8. Dover Sentry says:

    Even if the EU became a smouldering pile of wreckage, the BBC would still see it as the best option for us.

    Anything, anything but Leave!

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    • Greisingel says:

      It IS a smouldering wreck of unelected self serving dickheads. We must now be punished and forced to accept the Euro

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  9. The General says:

    May deal has been voted down. Whoever would have thought that ?

    EVERYBODY !!!!!!!! (apart from that stupid woman).

    Newsnight’s Emily Maitlis cannot hide her dirty smirk.

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  10. RobRoy says:

    She should go. What the hell was she thinking?

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  11. Eddy Booth says:

    She knew full well the deal would get voted down , just a time wasting tactic, to avoid Brexit.

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    • tarien says:

      We the voting tax paying Public are being made fools of by those in the power house of Westminster. The fact that we allowed a Remainer to become Prime Minister shows just how little say we have in proceedings. Never mind the stupid words from that man Corbyn as to a No Vote of Confidence in the Government, much more concerning now is to get a Leave Voter into the position of PM, SAP. Not just to stand up to the EU but to give the world at large confidence that the UK is still a great country. Immigration, is another matter and one that will need to be addressed very seriously if we are to remain free.

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  12. StewGreen says:

    @G.W.F. Re you being censored by Spiked
    And me saying that Spiked/Liddle/Guido/JRM even Farage are rooted in Guardian bubbleworld so there is a bit of Owen-Jones in them
    … they come with the prejudice that working class purpleskins smell, so they need to signal their distance from them, so use the “label and dismiss” trick
    What I did was post #1 a comment below the Spiked Youtube clip
    and then #2 in a reply I posted a full annotated transcript
    And you can see from that how Tom Slater from his prejudice together with a kind of Chinese whispers game ends up portraying James Goddard as the biggest bogeyman in town.

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    • G.W.F. says:

      StewGreen

      Yes, swept Goddard away as a conspiracy theorist and being anti Islam. Spiked is moving with the respetable elites.

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  13. taffman says:

    Al Beeb……………………..
    “The biggest government defeat in history”
    Its time that the Tory Party woke up and smelt the coffee.
    Vote and support UKIP.
    Tell your MP you are going to do that .

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  14. StewGreen says:

    Classic : Libmobbers before you shout ‘White Privilege’ at someone on live radio ..made sure you know that person isn’t black

    CNN analyst Areva Martin accused Sirius XM radio and Fox Nation host David Webb of having white privilege because of his pro Trump opinions
    full story :
    https://www.mediaite.com/online/cnn-analyst-calls-out-radio-host-david-webb-on-air-for-white-privilege-webb-informs-her-hes-black/

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    • lojolondon says:

      Best radio interview of the year. Probably the decade. Thanks for sharing.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Stew brilliant thanks – an Anchorman moment – some researcher (Black ?) sent back to school .

        Shows the easy default slander which the left go for .

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    • TrueToo says:

      StewGreen,

      Yes, thanks for sharing those fabulous 2 minutes – the mother of all justified put downs!

      I’ve seen David Webb on Fox a few times. He strikes me as a sincere, level-headed and well-informed black guy .

      Here he really sounded angry at that lefty (black) woman. Though she apologized, I really doubt she learned anything from that experience and will still try to stick the “white privilege” label on others in future – but she’ll be careful to check their race out beforehand!!

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    • countryblues says:

      He told her too soon… 🙁

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    • NCBBC says:

      This journo is another brain washed female, possessed by the demonic ideology of Marxism. An ideology that has murdered more humans,and in far worse ways then the Nazis.

      She asks to be forgiven for wrong information given to her. Wrong. She needs to be de-programmed and re-educated .

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  15. StewGreen says:

    Steven Woolfe MEP : ‘Children won’t be able to have teddy bears, they’ll tell us anything to stop Brexit’

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Stew, that man was a great loss to UKIP. The Conservatives have gained.

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    • NCBBC says:

      Steve Woolfe – great guy and a possible future PM.

      Politicians media and others pretend that Brexit is all about money. Well maybe it is to greedy politicians and finanaciers in Britain and Europe. But to ordinary uneducated people it was to bring back control of our laws to ourselves. To bring back the laws that we have given to those grateful countries that the world flocks to – America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand. The people of the Commonwealth are befuddled how the UK could have sacrificed such a great heritage for a few pieces of silver.

      Common law, respect of property, restraint, habeas corpus, and a tradition of law that goes back a 1000 years. And for what- a system cooked up by politically appointed leftist unelected commissioners.

      I pray that we leave the EU on the 19th March, with no entanglements except ones of good will. Then we can be the guardian angel of continental Europe, and save it if its gets into trouble as it pursues a Bismarckian project.

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  16. jip says:

    “Fifty-five men arrested in West Yorkshire over child sex abuse” in a well hidden BBC article:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-46867001

    No details of the perpetrators… in what we can only assume is another case of Islamic sex slavery, because it would have been reported heavily if it were anyone else.

    However a new piece of information did catch my eye, i have seen this before, but it just clicked in my head… because i am so suspicious of the BBC. According to the article:

    “The claims made by seven women relate to abuse against them as children between 2002 and 2009.”

    What i just realized is that, 55 men and 7 women means that these was 7.85 perpetrators for each victim…. so nearly 8 perpetrators for each victim (and these are just teh ones they remember)… Now that I think back on the court cases that i have read about, there are always a lot more perpetrators than victims.

    So does this mean that in Rotherham where we know there were over 1400 victims, that we will have 8 times as many perpetrators?… that would be 11, 200 perpetrators.

    But wait this can’t be right???…. because according to the Jay Report… Rotherham has a population of 8000 Muslims, of these 50% are women and 30% are children, so there are about 2,800 Muslim Men. Could it be that a Majority of Muslim Men are involved multiple times, so BBC, will you bother to investigate?

    https://www.rotherham.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham.pdf

    … This is also a bit strange because only 420 (15%) of Muslim men in Rotherham are under investigation for child rape:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6332387/More-420-suspects-investigated-100m-Rotherham-grooming-inquiry.html

    We also know there are estimates of up to a million child rape victims… which would be 8-million perpetrators, yet we have less than two million Muslim men in the country?

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/child-sex-abuse-gangs-could-5114029

    But Quilliam says at least 84% of these child rape gangs are Muslim (in truth is probably higher)…

    https://www.quilliaminternational.com/press-release-new-quilliam-report-on-grooming-gangs/

    … so dear BBC, could you please investigate like we are forced to pay you to. Is this really a minority of Muslim men that are involved in infidel child sex slavery like you pretend?… because with these numbers i am more convinced than ever that the Muslim community is awash with infidel child sex slavery. Or maybe BBC, you are their infidel lap dogs who value English kids so little you could not give a toss if they are being subjected to serial gang rape.

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    • Kaiser says:

      I think the 84% is pakistani muslim, then you add somalis, turks etc etc

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    • NCBBC says:

      Pointing out this gross “war crime” by Tommy Robinson, against young working class White girls by Muslim men, was a grave crime that Tommy Robinson perpetrated. Far worse then the actual mass gang rapes of vulnerable girls.

      The fact that the authorities, from politicians, to the chiefs of police, the judiciary, and the MSM were complicit, merely made Tommy Robinson’s crime worse. He did not think for one moment that he was destroying the good name of the entire establishment, and bringing it to contempt.

      Anyway, he has been appropriately punished, quite rightly harshly in my view, as a deterrent to the rest of the unwashed.

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  17. StewGreen says:

    Steven Woolfe MEP : BBC Dishonesty Over JLR Job Losses
    ‘I have written to them about this promoting of #ProjectFear”

       43 likes

    • jip says:

      80% of JLR engineers are not British anyway. Just go and sit outside the engineering buildings in Gaydon.

      It’s filled with corrupt “International employees” who go out of their way to hire their friends, whether they are up to the job or not.

      JLR is a waste of time, they avoid British engineers like they have the plague.

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      • NCBBC says:

        Its an Indian tradition. One Indian engineer engineers the hiring of another Indian engineer, preferably from his own community and so on. You can see this in Google. Yet the quality of engineering education and achievement in India is very low.

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  18. Nibor says:

    I thought I’d do the opposite to the normal Amazon buying .
    I looked up the two books mentioned on this site ; The Noble Liar and David Sedgewicks BBC British Brainwashing Corporation .
    I wanted to buy local , so therein I went into my town centre and bookshop , Waterstones .

    I could put on order The Noble Liar , but despite it being on their computer and they even knowing the publisher , I couldn’t buy Sedgewicks book – even though I supplied the ISBN which I didn’t for The Noble Liar .

    So I bought two copies of the Noble Liar and two copies of Sedgewicks book via Amazon . And then some others .

    Some points
    1; I want to use local business where possible
    2; why can’t that business do business for that book ?
    3 : I paid up front , that’s a book worth stocking on the shelves isn’t it ?

    May I suggest that the libertarian members that see this site buy such books written by authors such as Thomas Sowell , Rodney Atkinson and Robin Aitken from a local bookstore first , if only to make them think that they could sell many other copies and spread the message .

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    • vlad says:

      Last year when I tried to buy The Strange Death of Europe from a Smith’s, they weren’t stocking it, despite it being a bestseller at the time.
      The manager couldn’t explain why, but I’m sure it’s just coincidence that the branch was in a part of town heavily enriched by Religionists of Censorship, Intimidation and Suppression.

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      • CompassionateLeave says:

        Can I just add to Nibor’s comments that The Noble Liar is a must read for BBBC fans. I’m a slow reader but I read it very quickly. The argument made is very compelling.
        I’ve also noticed some strange things going on with High Street Bookshops. There may be some quirks to the Publishing deals I’m unaware of but I thought it very strange that I couldn’t find Peterson’s 12 Rules for Life in my large city centre Waterstones branch!? Hmmm. It is an international bestseller.

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      • StewGreen says:

        BTW the spelling is with no second “e” David Sedgwick

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    • StewGreen says:

      @Nibor It’s CENSORSHIP, cos all books should be equally available
      It’s gatekeeping, we do have blasphemy laws in the UK
      ..in libmob minds certain holy things should not be questioned.
      eg Islam, open-borders, Biased BBC, Saint Obama etc.

      Twitter is a place to shame them, but these guys failed to include the @Waterstones or the directors in their tweets or the hashtag #censorship

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      • StewGreen says:

        Tho’ I do spot that The Strange Death of Europe was often displayed in Waterstones

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  19. Greisingel says:

    Listening to that evil imp Sturgeon nearly gave me a heart attack. Notice that the poisonous dwarf won’t have another Scottish referendum. She really is a venomous toad. And that other waste of space Vince cobblers is sickening.

    We have voted and won and in a democracy this is final. It was a legitimate vote, fully endorsed. The vermin who mocked Farage for 10 years never taking him seriously as he gathered public support were caught napping. It is such a tragedy the tories were led by such an utter fool. The BBC are crowing. Why are the left and liberals such ghastly, po faced see you next tuesdays? A second referendum. No f…… way. That would be a political crime.

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      Naughty
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    • Thatcherrevolutionary says:

      The vile little sh*t is currently about to get her come uppance…….Fat Controller Salmond wants his old job back (despite the sexual harassment) but is cleverly going to use evidence of Sturgeon trying to suppress knowledge of allegations against himself !
      You simply could not make this up. The horrible little gremlin is now facing 4 separate inquiries, and with her own pretend parliament now voting for a full parliamentary inquiry, they are not goosestepping to her tune any longer.
      Ironically, after repeatedly insulting a half-Scottish US president, she now finds herself guilty of ‘collusion’ with Alex Salmond and subject to unlimited endless inquiries.
      Absolutely f****** priceless.
      Karma to the extreme.

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      • Greisingel says:

        OMG hilarious. It’s like a Private Eye story. Scotland is an odd one. Sturgeon crushed labour. Or rather labour voters became snp voters. They wanted their independence. But you have to wonder if salmond secretly wanted it to fail. Why? The cost. He’d have had to go cap in hand to Brussels. They would have said no. Nonetheless Scotland voted remain in the ref because it was desperate not to lose the eu links the uk had. Scotland is screwed. Those two red herrings sturgeon and salmond know they are going to have to keep deceiving the Scottish independence lobby. Anyhow she’s enjoying being a menace in London.

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  20. JimS says:

    There was a suggestion on the previous thread that this site needs ‘modern’ software.

    I asked for examples, a simple link is surely not too much to ask? However apparently one has to undertake a full market research project, populate spreadsheets and no doubt 3-D pie charts (in colour of course), to find the best.

    Now that may well be true, but that wasn’t the question.

    Personally I find this site OK. There seems to be a recent problem with pages jumping about and it would be nice to navigate to the last comment and perhaps to individual pages, but otherwise ‘it works’.

    This site does allow replies to sit next to the comment being replied to, some don’t. It also gives some indication of recent activity, again some don’t.

    If people aren’t happy with the way this site works lets hear what features they would like to see and some examples, ‘more modern’ is as informative as a statement by Mrs May.

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    • Yasser Dasmibehbi says:

      I’m with you on this one JimS. I am not a tech minded person so a little biased perhaps, but every time I finally work out how to use something somebody goes and ‘upgrades’ it.
      If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

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    • Deborah says:

      Jim, I find it ok too, better than discus where I have to keep loading more comments and cannot scroll through the lot. But you can get to last comments by tapping those highlighted on the right. I use that to get to what has just been said.

      Although I have contributed when there has been an appeal, we all have to remember this site is run by volunteers, without advertising and no license fee money.

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    • Emmanuel Goldstein says:

      Jim,
      I’m also on a Sunderland football site.
      When you click on a post it automatically takes you to the last place you were at.
      Would it work on here?
      Just for example, you have been reading articles on page 4 and you go to do something else, then, a few hours later you come back and click on the comments at top left, could it be made to go to where you last read.
      Otherwise, no complaints,a good site.

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    • StewGreen says:

      The pages get new long
      Currently the setting is to create a new page after about 30 comments but by the time you add in replies there can be 100 comments on each page
      If the setting was changed to make a new page after 20 comments, then pages wouldn’t get too long.

      – Also we used to have specialist side pages dedicated to special topics and I liked that.

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      • BRISSLES says:

        Re the above, I’m glad its not ‘just me’ that experiences the jumping around of the screen after making a comment – and when it settles I then have to scroll to find it. I thought it was my pc. Apart from that, the site is ok.

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        • Roland Deschain says:

          Yes, the only issue I have about the site is clicking on a comment, or refreshing, and finding oneself far from the correct place.

          Oh, and being constantly logged out!

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      • StewGreen says:

        I meant “the pages get too long”

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    • Guest Who says:

      2p’s worth. Or 5€ soon.

      No tech whizz but I have created websites, blogs and forums, sometimes with help, mostly via trial and lots of error.

      I also use a fair few. But this is but a personal review.

      Blogger is a nightmare. Maybe it had a few nice things once, but now it is like trying to scramble up to deal with a Raptor in a Sopwith Camel. No hyperlinking without a gene splice from Tim Berners-Lee being top of an ignoble list. It severely limits ITTB, sadly. It also seem to especially dislike Macs and iStuff.

      Disqus seems OK, but I see those spinning gears a lot. {Addendum: I see Guido uses WP too, if an older version. But also Disqus, I guess in complement to add to the commenting oversight?}

      WordPress looks to be more up to speed, but I am on a learning curve there.

      Admission: I had what this site uses. I am sure there is a simple click to say what it is, and Stew can point straight to it. I recall it changed from one to another a fair while ago.

      Then I tried this: https://whatcms.org/?s=biasedbbc.org

      It seems around the best of the bunch, though on mobile it is also a trial and the image upload is more miss than hit with my Mac-based products. Forget threading.

      It takes hyperlinks no problem, and converts Youtubes and twitter and even Facebook links too.

      The thread linking seems to work well enough on a PC screen.

      FWIW.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Jim
      Well ain’t gonna do anything regarding the tech of this site . It’s outside my paygrade -which I ain’t got .
      Maybe another volunteer can do it .

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      • JimS says:

        I understand that, indeed I’m not calling for changes but there are some that are and I’m curious as to what they want.

        I do think though that something has changed here. It used to be possible to link to another post on this site and to know that a click would take you there. Then a few months ago I tried to set up such a link and found that it didn’t work first time. I removed the link and didn’t give it much thought, except to wonder if the problem was at my end as a result of browser changes. Later on I saw the same thing happening when using a different browser so realised that wasn’t the reason.

        It might be that no changes have been made to this site, rather the software provided by the hosting service has been ‘upgraded’. (There was a navigation feature on a website of mine that worked perfectly, until the hosting service changed the version of PHP that they provided. I ended up completely re-writing the code though, ‘according to the book’, nothing should have changed).

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    • Banania says:

      It would be interesting to be notified individually by e-mail of specific replies to one’s postings, as is done in Disqus (though that is possibly the only Disqus feature I should like to see incorporated). Scrolling through discussions a second time to see if anybody has answered you is too tedious (even if you have a brightly coloured and attractive avatar that is easy to spot, ho-ho).

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    • NCBBC says:

      What has changed in the last few months is if I’m looking for comments by a person, they all dont turn up one by one.. One has to click to another more recent comments page.

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  21. jip says:

    BBC fades out some of the audio at round 7 seconds, and again at around 36 seconds… of passengers discussing a machete wielding enricher:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-46871219

    More stuff for the memory hole courtesy of the dystopian BBC.

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    • StewGreen says:

      AFAIK The edited sound is actually only the zzz the woman makes imitating the tazer
      after she says “Om my Gog, he’s got a knife”
      There are other audio breaks also
      Here’s a seemingly unedited clip
      All Twitter videos originate from that 1:28m clip

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      • jip says:

        So why would the BBC do that?,

        Perhaps they have a policy of always fading some of the sound… so that when they need it they can fade out “ideologically inappropriate” words when needed… and no-one will ask questions because they always do it even even when there is nothing to hide.

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        • Fedup2 says:

          It looks like another vibrant Rasta whose had enough cultural herbs looking to get “ offed’ by the bill .

          Bet he’ll complain .

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          • StewGreen says:

            Fed incredible innacurate description in the Times
            … and no open comments.
            \\ The man, described as *white* and middle-aged, was filmed by onlookers from a train on the adjacent platform at Tulse Hill as he raised the blade above his head and was tasered by officers on Monday evening. //

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  22. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC Online News:

    “”Brexit vote: Donald Tusk suggests UK should stay in EU””

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46887188

    BBC – Why are you giving this man’s words so much prominence?

    The empirical evidence is that you the BBC do not support Brexit, never have and never will.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      DS, that’s exactly what we need to rub-up British backs the wrong way. Helps us develop some spine. 😉

      Keep going, Tusk. And Barnier. And Juncker.

      Nothing exceeds like excess!

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  23. Up2snuff says:

    “These are the days of miracle and wonder!” (Paul Simon – The Boy in the Bubble)

    Stage 1 of the Miracle yesterday 🙂 – no significant Amendments to the Bill – so we need another miracle today, a win for the Government.

    Miracles on the BBC Radio 4 TOADY Programme – The Humph does a non-inertview with David ‘Big Remainer’ Lammy and nails him to the wall. Wish the Beeboids were always that sharp. Prior to that at 7.15am, Steven Baker MP spoke very well for Brexit against interrupter Remainer, Mishal Husain. Listen again if you missed it or wish to hear it again (it was very revealing if you listen between the lines and to the tone of voice and what is ACTUALLY being said), the Lammy interview ends at 7.30am.

    Stand firm, PM, stand firm. The country (if not the Remainers), I think, is behind you.

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  24. Up2snuff says:

    Listening to 8am Main News on R4 – guess which sound bite they use? – yes, you guessed David Lammy and John McDonnell.

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  25. Fedup2 says:

    Up
    Whenever I hear that character I just recall his masterful mastermind appearance – 13 inc 5 on the gen knowledge – “ what cheese goes with port ?”a ‘Leicester ?” Maybe it’s cultural…

       20 likes

    • Up2snuff says:

      Fed, which one? McD or Lammy? (No TV here.)

         10 likes

    • Up2snuff says:

      TOADY Watch #1 sort of

      Prime Inertview slot at 8.10am:
      Andrea Leadsom MP 3:0 John Humphrys BBC

      Mutti, May, Leadsom; the ladies are playing really well.

      Go girls!

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Up
        I’ve flipped – after the night of popcorn – I’m now a fully paid up May supporter . If she can carry on with her wonderfully incompetent scheme then we will get to the 29th of March with the outcome the majority voted for

        I notice that the BBC people have become more care free in their bias .

           36 likes

        • Up2snuff says:

          Fed, it is not easy. It helps to have a Soviet Era ‘ear’ for ‘what is being said’ and ‘what is not being said’, for propaganda & spin and truth & lies. Never thought I could write ‘Thank you, Tony Blair for again teaching us to do that 1997-2007!’

          You and I both know who is the real ‘Father of Lies’. It helps to have that sort of attuned ‘ear’ as well. 😉

          I could be completely wrong but I think Mutti & May are keen Brexiteers now but not just Brexiteers: they are EU-nders.

          A very different ‘Enders Game’ to the books of the same name but with some similarities.

          On the other hand, if you read the Old Testament part of the Bible and know it well, you often read of how people can have all sorts of their own desires and write God out of the equation. He lets them do it. He lets them get so far, so far down their own road, and then their excess takes them on to failure. Big time. They even then have to go for God’s way or accept the judgement, His Judgement.

          I came across something interesting in notes for The Book of Judges. I may try and put it on B-BBC but I have to find a way to put it up here. Too much to copy out. Makes some interesting points relevant to Brexit.

             7 likes

          • Fedup2 says:

            Up2 – I’ll have a look at ‘Judges’ – although the old book is always a tough read for me . Much prefer the ‘populist’ new one .
            I think I’m going to go and do a 12 month flow chart of options the current situation – which I see as good and not a mess . After all – Blighty is still on course for the majority vote outcome .
            I suppose sterling strengthened because we won’t have to borrow £39 billion to bribe the ReichEU for nothing ….

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          • Lucy Pevensey says:

            Snuffy,
            Keep reading. The whole blueprint for pulling the nation out of our present crises is contained in the pages of the first covenant. Whenever Israel abandoned God, God gave them bad leaders.

            “Return to me and I will return to you” Says The Lord God. (Not the impostor Allah) More Bible less Koran is what we need urgently.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Up – the former – McDonnell is far too wise to go on a ridiculous programme -incredibly somebody put it ou YouTube .

         11 likes

  26. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #2

    BBC are having to sink very low to try to undermine Brexit. They have the Kiwi Korrespondent, Dominic McConnell, talking to an American investor, Steve Eisman, who is shorting shares in three British banks.

    Because of Brexit.

    Now, BBC, what were you saying in 2007 and 2008 and 2009 about people who ‘short sell’, eh?

    The KK introduces Eisman as the man who spotted the 2007-2009 Crash but he could also be described as the guy who caused the Crash. (He was a dealer in CDOs.)

    The BBC are behaving vilely over Brexit, trying to stop it. But this time they boobed. Listen to Eisman carefully, to the end at about 8.50am, and he pulls the rug from under Project Fear v 3.8: “No-one really knows what will happen.”

    Now they drag on Damien Green to undermine Brexit. Sounds like he has swapped places with the PM and gone over to Remain.

    Vile BBC.

       31 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      Up2 – again I agree . I heard all that .

      Are remainers so sure that another referendum will achieve anything they want ? What happens when it is the same outcome ? They and the BBC can’t do accept that ?

      So what would be their position then?

      By the way Up2 – I thought Steve carrel played mr eisman very well in that excellent film.

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      • Up2snuff says:

        Fed, “Are remainers so sure that another referendum will achieve anything they want ? What happens when it is the same outcome ?”

        They are certain they can overturn Brexit but it depends on two things: the Losers Vote (Steven Woolfe’s apt description) will have to have a stacked set of questions with ‘Remain’ as one of three or four AND the British voting public will have to be gullible enough and/or scared enough to fall for it.

        Refer to what I posted @9.12am, while you were also posting.

        I’m fairly relaxed about if we get sucked back into the EU. I don’t want to be there. I would campaign against that and against being there.

        Look at the history of Russia 1922/23 on and Eastern Europe from 1946 on and you realise that it can take a while for liberation to happen. It was interesting what Peter Altmaier said on TOADY. Peter Altmaier is the German Federal Minister for Economic Affairs and Energy. He repeated the ‘standard EU lie’, in effect, when asked “What should Briatin do next?” by The Humph. “The British Parliament is sovereign, it is not for me to tell them what to do.”

        Nein, nein, nein!

        Philip Hammond, Chancellor, and another who was a Government Minister at the time (it may have been Steve Baker MP) both stated on TOADY last October that the UK is no longer an independent nation while it is in the EU.

        We want our freedom. We want Liberation!

        Stand firm, PM.

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        • Fedup2 says:

          Thanks Up2

          Yesterday whilst watching the parliamentary debate and getting fed up listening to miserable Scots SNP doing their default moan and groan I looked up the Scottish bit of the referendum result .

          How many Scots voted brexit ? Answer 1 000 000

          How many votes remain. ? Answer 1 600 000

          Yes they crow about nasty English and being treated as equal ( never ) but who represents the 1 million Scots who voted ‘out’ ?

             22 likes

          • countryblues says:

            Those crucial 1m votes secured Brexit…so, why is it not quoted that ‘Scotland voted the UK to Leave’? 🙂

               12 likes

          • Thatcherrevolutionary says:

            Yes 2.6m out of a population of 5.5m.

            Equally easy to say ‘2.9m Scots did not vote remain’

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    • Rich says:

      Up2,

      Definitely not the bBBC. Roger Bootle, ex -Economics lecturer at Oxford and founder of Capital Economics, was on Sky with Ian King yesterday and was allowed to speak freely about his support for Brexit, to point out the incorrect and reckless economic scaremongering of the establishment remainers and to highlight, uninterrupted, the opportunities that will arise and the potential for success that the UK has post-Brexit.

      This was a good natured and informative interview and discussion which surprised me as it was on the ridiculously pro-Remain Sky. I liked it. It was refreshing to hear an informed opinion that made sense from someone who knew what they were talking about and who was happy to admit that although there would be some initial economic disruption Brexit made sense and the UK would prosper outside the EU.

      This interview allowed a pro-Brexit voice to be heard without the usual disruptive interjections and it was conducted in a courteous and reasoned manner, seemingly without any pro-EU group-think agenda. As I say, definitely not the bBBC.

         35 likes

      • Up2snuff says:

        Rich, interesting. Am familiar with Bootle from when he wrote for The Times and also used to appear on BBC R4 quite a bit. Not hear from him on the biasedBBC recently.

        I wonder why?

        There was an amazing sequence from Nottingham on R4’s TWT last night, from about 10.35pm. Dishonest Beeboid intro apart, they had a 3-way Vox Populi with TWO Brexiteers and ONE Remainer.

        That doesn’t happen often!

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  27. Fedup2 says:

    Grieve QC and bercow connived to force a debate this coming Monday on plan B . This is engineered to get another referendum . 90 minutes have been allocated at no doubt remainer bercow will extend it .

    I really hope somebody talks the time away because I am certain any other vote will be fixed to keep us captive to the ReichEU.

       24 likes

    • Up2snuff says:

      Miracles sometimes come in stages or take a while to happen, Fed. Think 300 to 350 BC down to year Zero* in Israel, for example. 😉

      There are likely to be some more struggles along the way.

      Don’t give up hope. Just hum some Paul Simon or Finlandia or the Welsh Rugby hymn …. and be patient.

      (* Date uncorrected for calendar changes.)

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  28. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Radio bbbc newcastle this morning.
    Listening between 7-8 they have been putting on remainer after remainer.
    ‘Fact checking’ Remain professor to tell us how bad a no deal would be and that the referendum was only advisory.
    Reading out articles from the lefty American rag the Washington Post.
    Vince Cable to tell us we need to stop leave.
    Lots of crashing out and catastrophe talk.
    They even managed to find a remainer fisherman.
    The only leave support was when they went live in the market place where they couldn’t control what was being answered, even with very leading questions.

       34 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      @EG from Twitter I don’t spot anyone complaining about Radio Newcastle. So maybe Brexit people already stopped listening
      They’ve had there political guy Fergus Hewison standing the College Green “circus ground” interviewing Northeastern MPs
      One said compromise, other said walk away with No deal.

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  29. Thoughtful says:

    I see the disgraceful coward Rees Mogg has thrown his lot behind Theresa May, terrified of losing power. He really is the lowest form of cockroach, prepared to attack his leader when he thinks it’s safe to do so, but prepared to back her to the hilt when he might be affected.

    Courage means carrying through ones beliefs in the knowledge that it all might end in disaster – Rees Mogg is devoid of courage.

    He is a typical Tory a product of the rotten school, full of puff and blow, but when it matters he is nowhere to be seen.

       5 likes

    • Dystopian says:

      Do you think he might be doing so in order to stop a Corbyn government. If the remoaners think that “crashing out” with no deal is a disaster they ought to think on about what damage a Corbyn run government would do to the economy!

         30 likes

      • Thoughtful says:

        Oh really? If Mogg thinks his government has been so truly dreadful that the British people will vote Corbyn in then it’s even worse!

        If this man doesn’t even have the courage that his politics are the right ones for the country and that his message is good enough for the Tories to be re-elected then he is even more of a coward than previously stated !

           3 likes

        • Dystopian says:

          Good point, Thoughtful. By the way, my question was in good faith and not criticism nor sarcasm. I hope it didn’t come across as such.

             2 likes

        • Banania says:

          I think you misjudge and underrate Rees-Mogg. He is one of the biggest dangers to Mrs May.

             4 likes

    • Up2snuff says:

      Thoughtful, on the other hand Jacob Rees-Mogg MP could be a very shrewd Brexiteer who can see where things are headed and knows that it is ‘one step at a time’.

      Agree with you here: “Courage means carrying through ones beliefs in the knowledge that it all might end in disaster”

      That is exactly what the PM is doing. She is playing her part (I think voluntarily, I could be wrong) to get the UK – intact & peacefully – out of the EU. JR-M is playing his part, as well as representing his constituents, in supporting her and the Government.

      Remember we are in a negotiation with the EU. Our UK Remainers have been constantly trying to sabotage those negotiations from the start. ‘We’ have had to struggle against them AND the EU negotiators. Gradually, things are being peeled back, becoming simplified, to the point where Remainers are starting to negate themselves some more. Sit back and enjoy.

      Jacob Rees-Mogg and the European Research Group in Parliament are, in my view, exactly correct in supporting the Govenrment in today’s Confidence vote. Hopefully the Labour Brexiteers – perhaps with the exception of Jeremy Corbyn – will be courageous and do the same.

      I can hear Harold MacMillan’s voice saying “Events, dear boy, events.” except you have to change the word ‘events’ for ‘procedures’.

         28 likes

      • Thoughtful says:

        Perhaps you haven’t seen Nigel Farage this morning? The problem is not Brexit it’s the PM (and also her party).

        If Britain had said from the start “no money and import taxes on wine and cars” the EU industrialists would have been beating a path to their leaders doors forcing them to seek a trading agreement.

        The cowardly way Mogg and his traitors have behaved is appalling. Voted to remove the PM, voted against her deal and then when it looks like he might be affected does a complete U Turn and supports the person he clearly has no confidence in.

        And that is unforgivable.

           5 likes

        • gaxvil says:

          One could well believe that this recipe for failure was cooked up by May the Remainer and the EU.

             3 likes

        • thehoiman says:

          Why upset the apple cart and risk Comrade Corbyn grabbing power when May’s EU deal has already been soundly defeated? It looks by all accounts as if we’re heading for a No Deal Brexit, which is exactly what JRM wanted.

             4 likes

    • TrueToo says:

      Thoughtful,

      What did the eminent Rees-Mogg do to arouse your ire?

      He showed consistency by voting against May’s horrendous ‘deal’ last night.

         19 likes

      • Thoughtful says:

        and he now shows incosistency by claiming he has full confidence in her, after voting against her deal and and to remove her as leader.

        He has no principles other than me me me.

           3 likes

        • honestus says:

          T, you couldn’t be more wrong. The DUP have committed to voting for May today and they have more reason than anyone to punish her. Its all about strategies and if the ERG splits the vote, Corbyn gets in then its game over. If May survives, game still in play. Simples.

             12 likes

          • LastChanceSaloon says:

            h – Indeed.
            If Mogg could remove May he would.

               3 likes

            • imaynotalwaysloveyou says:

              I don’t know whether Lord Snooty/Walter the Softy is playing a long game or not. I know I’d definitely prefer it if he came out and said ‘I’m in the wrong party, I renounce the Conservative Party whip and will stand as an Independent in a by-election’.

              He may be a useful ally but judge them by what they do, not what they plot and scheme about!

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  30. Beltane says:

    The BBC/Guardian axis – along with an increasing proportion of the media – are trumpeting Teresa’s massive defeat. This is undeniable and makes our times ever more interesting, but isn’t it odd that the immense slap in the face for the EU seems to be overlooked?
    Along with consistently ignoring every aspect of uncertainty, unrest, criminality and chicanery that pervades the powderkeg EU, the required analysis of the situation expected of an informed and unbiased media is conspicuous by its absence – as though the sainted EU must be above criticism. This no doubt suits creatures like Grieve, Major, Clarke and Soubry but only deepens the savagery of the eventual reaction to their shameful distain for democracy.
    Every reference to the rejected deal is to ‘May’ and ‘the government’, and yet I thought the ‘deal’ was what the EU in its immense wisdom had offered us?

       34 likes

    • john in cheshire says:

      Since the commie Civil Servant, Mr Robbins, had such a key role in the production of the treasonous withdrawal agreement, now that it’s been rejected, will be suffer any consequences for his actions, will he lose his job? In my view, he should.

         38 likes

      • Fedup2 says:

        John – sadly – he ll get a knighthood – in the Blair Cameron habit .

           19 likes

      • Thoughtful says:

        Robbins is a remainer not a Communist and it would be silly to claim such. May on the other hand is an actual bona fide Marxist. What conservative would be extolling the vitues of equality – something which should be anathema to conservatives. Or supporting Robert Mugabes siezure of White owned farms without compensation?

        May is the real deal she is not a Tory, she is an entryist Marxist agent – the rest of the vegetables in her party are too dim witted to see it !

           14 likes

        • Up2snuff says:

          Think j-i-c is referring to Robbins as a ‘commie’ because he is a likely Remainer and because the EU is effectively a Communist/Fascist/supra-National Socialist power either from the outset, or certainly since the Maastricht & Lisbon Treaties.

             17 likes

          • Thoughtful says:

            Thanks for the link, like too many things our fake news MSM has made damn sure that didn’t get to be widespread public knowledge !

               7 likes

          • Fedup2 says:

            John
            Maybe the head of the KGB GRU has the robbins file and uses him as one of the soft useful idiots.

               4 likes

          • Up2snuff says:

            j-i-c, thanks. Stopped looking at Guido some time ago so missed that.

            Proves the quality of history teaching at Oxford has gone through the floor: “I would never disagree that some of the deeds done in the name of communism were evil, but it is as well to look at the era’s aims and achievements. First among these were the aims of free and fair education, housing and healthcare. These were also the main planks of the post-war consensus here in Britain, and could hardly be described as evil. What is more, they were achieved.”

            Oh, yeah? Where?

            In part, only in Cuba, nowhere else on the Communist parts of the planet.

               3 likes

      • LastChanceSaloon says:

        jic, I think he should lose his head.

           2 likes

    • Up2snuff says:

      Beltane. “The BBC/Guardian axis – along with an increasing proportion of the media – are trumpeting Teresa’s massive defeat. This is undeniable and makes our times ever more interesting, but isn’t it odd that the immense slap in the face for the EU seems to be overlooked?”

      Aah, thought you would notice as well. Am sure lots of other B-BBCers have, too.

      Hopefully lots of voters in the UK will.

         22 likes

    • TrueToo says:

      Beltane,

      Every reference to the rejected deal is to ‘May’ and ‘the government’, and yet I thought the ‘deal’ was what the EU in its immense wisdom had offered us?

      That’s so true. I have never heard the BBC say a negative word about the EU. I guess the fact that both are untouchable, autocratic, unaccountable bureaucracies leeching billions off the public has something to do with it.

         20 likes

  31. john in cheshire says:

    I read the following on the UKIP daily newspaper summaries, here:
    https://independencedaily.co.uk/news-review-wednesday-16-january-2019/

    “Church attacks
    Times
    At least 15 Catholic churches have been threatened with bomb attacks and stabbings, forcing police to watch over services to protect congregations. They all received menacing letters, leading one school to withdraw pupils from all services at their local church. St Mary’s, in High Green, Sheffield, received a handwritten letter on January 4 warning its leaders that they must “stop all your services straight away”. It said: “If you don’t, your church will be petrol bombed while in service. Continue behind closed doors, your congregation members will be stabbed one by one. Blood on your hands. You have been warned.””

    Now I wonder who could be making such threats?

       59 likes

  32. EnglandExpects says:

    LBC isn’t perfect because I don’t like phone-ins, but for its news content from 7-9 am it is far preferable to Toady, which I’ve finally ditched after 50 years. And I switch off before the awful O’Brien emerges from under his rock.

       32 likes

    • Cassandra says:

      I started listening to Toady in the early seventies when it had some outstanding broadcasters but now listen to LBC, like you, switching off at 10.00am to avoid the pathetic James O’Brien. What puzzles me is that his listening figures are reported to be high but people I talk to do the same as me. Can anyone explain his questionable popularity? He even got given the boot by Newsnight on BBC 2 because he was so obnoxious..

         40 likes

      • gaxvil says:

        Something must have changed? Is it just us?
        I too began listening in the seventies, Radio 4 and bbc news was the default until the Referendum and the election of Donald Trump.

           21 likes

      • StewGreen says:

        @Cassandra the “weekly reach” is basically a fake stat
        It’s 140K people max at any one time … although JOB mistakenly states “I’m going out to 1m listeners right now” Youtube example

        You shouldn’t be adding up all the bits of people tuning in for 5 minutes etc at some point in the week and it’s not a million even then
        “James O’Brien now reaches 943,000 (+4% YoY) listeners every week for a total of 3.2 million hours.”
        Of 400 UK people only 1 is listening to JOB when he is on

           12 likes

        • StewGreen says:

          I m wondering if that chart only includes London listeners ?
          but I would guess that most LBC listeners are in in London
          and that a London 140K is probably 200-250K nationally

             4 likes

      • Fedup2 says:

        Cassandra – I’ve not heard him but I suppose he’s a British version of an America shock jock coming out with and bilge to get a reputation and keep people grinding their dentures / teeth at him whilst still listening .

        He performs a function and makes a living doing it . Pity .

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  33. Fedup2 says:

    I noticed the BBC got Heseltine – the famed squirrel murderer -out of his coffin again in the run up to the vote .

    At this very moment soros is coordinating Blair – major – brown and company to say his words with the BBC as the messenger .

       27 likes

    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      Fed:

      Heselslime’s worse than that, he strangled a dog to death too!

      What a vicious piece of scum he is. At least he will die knowing he never got to be Prime Minister, his great ambition in life.

         12 likes

      • Greisingel says:

        Thank God. Tarzan was / is a thug. And I liked the previous comment about that serpent soros.

           2 likes

  34. StewGreen says:

    I spot a new Twitter account : BBC_VIEWS

       26 likes

    • Up2snuff says:

      Good one, Stew. Is it ‘yours’? 🙂

         16 likes

      • StewGreen says:

        No I would have said if it was.
        I don’t work in PR or anything, so I don’t go around referring to myself in the third person etc.

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  35. Thoughtful says:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46879000

    What a great day to bury news. and although it’s on the BBC website, how many readers were aware of this:

    “The Labour Party has been fined £12,500 by the Electoral Commission over failings to deliver accurate and on time declarations about donations.

    The watchdog said Labour had failed to deliver an “accurate quarterly donations report” and “accurate weekly pre-poll reports” from April-June 2017.

    It said it was the “highest fine we have issued” for that kind of offence.”

    “Neither the Labour Party nor the Electoral Commission have set out how big the relevant donations were, or from whom.”

    I can clearly recall the BBC broadcast side reporting the fine imposed on the Tory party for cheating during the election which nearly saw Nigel Farage elected as MP, but despite this being a record high fine, I cannot recall seeing or hearing anything at all about it.

       44 likes

  36. Scroblene says:

    In the early hours, when all is quiet, and R5Dead is too unbearable with Rhod Sharpe whining away with some US East Coast rag, Scrobs becomes mildly inventive.

    With apologies to John Masefield of course, and I have omitted the early verses on the grounds of selective boredom…

    CARGOES

    Dirty British coaster with a salt-caked smoke stack
    Butting through the Channel in the mad March days,
    With a cargo of Tyne coal,
    Road-rail, pig-lead,
    Firewood, iron-ware, and cheap tin trays.

    Leaky grey inflateable, smelling like a drain pipe,
    Pointing to our coastline, down near Deal,
    With a cargo of children aged about thirty,
    Surgeons and teachers and engineers.

    Spanking new super-yacht, full of gin and Aperol,
    Waiting in the shallows for the boats to arrive,
    With a cargo of beeboids, managers, autocues,
    ‘Snowflakes’, ‘comedians’ and SJWs.

    Miles and miles of artics, full of British merchandise,
    Waiting down at Dover to begin the journey South,
    With a cargo of car parts, motorbikes, laptops,
    Loads of English apples and a vineyard of white wine.

    ahem…

       35 likes

  37. gaxvil says:

    So then, are we at an indefinitely delayed Brexit or a best of five ‘Peoples Votes’.

       20 likes

  38. Ed Hitter says:

    Compare these two online news takes on the terror attack in Nairobi. Identify the important missing word in one of them.
    This is the BBC website header: “Kenyan forces eliminate hotel attackers”.
    You have to scroll a way down the BBC story to find this helpful reference: “The Somalia-based militant group al-Shabab said it was behind the attack”.
    Here is Mail online: “British man and US woman are among 14 killed in Islamist attack on Kenyan hotel…”
    The Mail adds: “Somali Islamist militant group al-Shabaab, which has links to al-Qaeda, claimed that it was behind the terror attack.”
    Yep, begins with “I”

       42 likes

  39. StewGreen says:

    Guy Verhofstadt wacky logic
    \\ I think it’s time the national interest overtakes narrow party politics
    … & cross party politics redefines the red lines imposed by hardliners in the Conservative party //
    – If he thinks that the “hardliners in the Conservative party” are no deal people , then actually there is “cross party politics” all those Remainiacs together across the house.
    – If he thinks that the “hardliners in the Conservative party” are Remainers , then actually there is NO “cross party politics” to vote for May’s deal

       11 likes

    • Old Goat says:

      Mr. Batten gives Mr. Verhoftwat a mention…

         32 likes

    • john in cheshire says:

      ” It’s not up to me… to lecture Brits…” But I’m going to do it anyway.
      Every time these unelected EU thugs open their mouths, they prove the need for us to Leave.

         22 likes

  40. Cassandra says:

    I’m so depressed with all this Brexit palaver, I thought I’d post a light hearted BBC news item to cheer us up. To top it all BBC reporters have even researched the causes of the problem.

    2r9c18.jpg
    (Note the ethnicity of the child in the photograph)

    Here are the reasons why TB, a disease that was almost eradicated twenty years ago, as to the reasons behind its rise in London:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34637968

    2r9cbq.jpg

    The report does say that “More than 80% of London TB cases occur in people who were born abroad.” but it does not give a breakdown of the countries they hail from.

    Good job the BBC reporters didn’t investigate the rise of the disease in Birmingham and cities in the north of England as they might have had another ‘scoop’.

       59 likes

    • Tabs says:

      Next week….

      “Why is Bradford worse for child rape?”
      Reasons include:
      * High latitude location blah blah hole in the ozone
      * Godless white people who haven’t converted to Islam
      * Tory policy
      * Food banks
      etc

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    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      Anyone with a brain knows that the rise in TB is caused by immigration from Africa and Asia. Thus, the lying BBC chooses to illustrate this story with a photo of a white baby.

      The same thing happened when the population of the world allegedly passed six (or maybe seven) billion about nine years ago. They illustrated this with film of a baby born that day who was white. She was also the ONLY white child born in the hospital that day. I only know this because her father is a friend of mine. How utterly strange that the BBC did not choose an African or Asian child in a story about the growth of the world’s population.

      Ever get the feeling they are taking us for mugs?

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    • StewGreen says:

      That BBC article on TB is dated October 2015

      \\ The rate of infection among UK-born Londoners has risen,
      while among the non-UK-born it has fallen
      – and the report said it would be wrong to assume TB was a disease of migrants.//
      …yeh right

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      • Rich says:

        Stew,

        The daughter of a friend became a primary teacher and got her first post in the London area a few years ago. She suffers from sero-negative arthritis and takes NSAIDs that suppress her immune system. She was advised by her Consultant rheumatologist and by her GP to ensure that she had a TB jab before starting work, both of them obviously aware of the real risk that she would be at simply through working in an area with such a diverse community. Needless to say that this was one of the many reasons she took a post in her native Northern Ireland at the earliest opportunity.

        I wonder how many people who have weakened immune systems or mild health conditions that can be managed in modern western societies are having their lives put at risk by a negligent government and a pro-immigration media? Surely this is the sort of public information that a national broadcaster should investigate and discuss rather than hide away and hide from?

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  41. vlad says:

    What’s in a name? The Telegraph and other sources refer to the latest pack of muslim murderers in Kenya as ‘islamists’.

    Al beeb prefers the terms attackers, militants, gunmen, armed men etc, anything but the dreaded ‘I’ word.

    The beeb: dedicated to misleading you and hiding inconvenient truths wherever it finds them.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-46888682

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  42. Foscari says:

    This is the Biased BBC Website. So I will just stick to basics.
    Everything is surreal with the BBC’S coverage with the Brexit
    “events.” I am just looking forward to a moment where
    we may have a ” Broadcast News! moment. The film in
    which news presenter Peter Finch let’s his viewers know
    his own opinions are and things get more and more crazy as
    he becomes a cult hero to the viewers to the chagrin of the
    ” BIG BROTHER” at the studio.
    We saw a frenzied Emily Maitlis last night looking at times
    if she was going into deranged state.Whom will be next?
    The ratio of women presenters and reporters to men on BBC TV news is around 3 to 1 now. The few men to me seem calmer,
    so I expect it may well be one of the plethora of women who
    may have their ” Broadcast News ” moment. Who do you think
    it may be ? There is about a dozen or so to chose from.I wont
    include somebody like Riz Lateef from the Londonistan Programme
    which has nailed its colours to the mast in support of the left
    wing of the labour party for at least the last ten years.

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  43. StewGreen says:

    Portillo in November “No Deal” is just a pejorative word

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  44. pugnazious says:

    BBC coverage of last night’s vote and possible outcomes is atrocious….its whole direction is aimed at promoting a second referendum [They seem to be using the term ‘Public vote’ instead of ‘People’s vote’ now…better late than never] or better still, promoting the EU’s blatant interference as it suggests we abandon Brexit altogether….and it is still hyping the Backstop ‘to keep the peace’…..and how many times in recent days have you heard someone say Leave voters were racist, that they just didn’t like foreigners, and the presenter completely ignore that rather than challenge it as they do, often quite vehemently, when someone says something about migration or Islam they don’t like?

    Here’s the BBC’s main narrative….‘There is no majority for any deal’

    Hang on…there is a majority, it’s the one that won the 2016 referendum that instructed MP’s to deliver us out of the EU…out of the single market, out of the customs union and out of the forced requirement for freedom of movement. Any deal should be based upon that and not compromised as May has done. MP’s should be acting to implement that but the BBC has decided that this is not a question it wants to raise and sees no need to pressure the Remain MPs on their failure to fulfill their democratic obligations. The BBC also ignores the fact that it is the EU that is stonewalling here….it is remarkably refusing to negotiate and the BBC reports it demand that we need to deliver a single coherent plan, to ‘clarify our intentions’, as if it was all perfectly rational and reasonable….but such a plan would be irrelevant given that the EU has said that the deal just voted on is ‘The Deal’ and they won’t renegotiate…so logically any new plan won’t be accepted by the EU…thus it is the EU who is blocking things with its hardline redlines….not least its insistence on the Backstop, an issue the EU has engineered as a crisis in order to leverage negotiations in its favour.

    Any vote by the MP’s should have been asking ‘Does this deal deliver Brexit as promised and explained by politicians in the referendum campaign?’

    Instead there was no single narrative that they were required to debate, they were allowed to base their vote on a myriad of pet peeves and personal issues and to vote down the deal not because it was or was not Brexit but because it didn’t suit them personally. The only people who come out with any dignity are the Brexiteers who voted to deliver the Brexit that was promised…if only all MPs had such integrity and the desire to do their democratic duty…to carry out the will of ‘The People’ that they laughably keep insisting they represent.

    The BBC seems to have completely forgotten that there was a vote in 2016 and is carrying on as if the only answer is another ‘Public vote’….wasn’t the only answer previously a ‘meaningful vote’ in Parliament?….but surely the forgotten 2016 vote must inform and shape the question of any subsequent one….the decision to leave the EU has already been taken…the only possible question would be what deal is acceptable…the one promised or a compromise Remain weighted deal, and a no-deal as a second preference. There should be no option to stay in the EU, that has already been decided by a well-informed public.

    We are just going around in circles…the pressure of a ‘meaningful vote’ has produced nothing meaningful in the way of a Brexit as promised and was always a joke….it was a device to ensure Remain MPs could take control and thwart Brexit, it was not intended to be a genuinely meaningful vote intended to ensure that Brexit was delivered as promised. The Remainers demanded this ‘meaningful vote’ telling us that Parliament must take control, because wasn’t that what Brexiteers wanted? Except of course the plan was for Britain to take back control not Remain MPs to take back control so that they could then hand it back to Brussels as they are intent on doing. And how odd that these MPs, so insistent on Parliament taking back control, now demand that the answer is The People voting again, we must respect The People….haven’t we been here before? Will we need another ‘meaningful vote’ once The People have voted again? Presumably only if Leave won it. And what of that second vote? Another referendum would produce what? What if Leave won again? The Remainers in Parliament would still be blocking every deal until it suited their own pro-Remain agenda. What if Remain won, and if they did it would likely be by a very small margin, would Remain MPs and the BBC be demanding we also respect the wishes of the, say, 48% of voters who voted leave as they demand now when they say we must compromise Brexit in order to appease Remainers? Doubt that somehow. And would the BBC be insisting that Britain is in apocalyptic breakdown, still savagely divided as they now claim? A stupid claim as in fact the 2016 turn out was massive in comparison to general elections and showed much more unity across the nation than in any general election where voters vote for a myriad of Parties…thus surely being even more ‘divided’. How can 52%/48% be more divided than say 33%/29%/15%/12%/7%/3%/1% or whatever? As said it is a stupid and highly politicised claim put forward by the BBC and Remain who want to portray Brexit as dangerously divisive when it is not…or certainly less than in normal everyday politics where Labour politicians and voters often say they hate Tories and could never be friends with them and they ‘danced on Thatcher’s grave’ in effect and constantly use violently anti-Tory rhetoric.

    Always interesting listening to the EU’s mouthpiece at the BBC, Katya Adler, who seems as if she is just reading off a press release from the EU every time she comes on air. Did laugh this morning as she told us that Parliament was ‘the brickwall’ blocking any deal, no sh*t Sherlock, but then we get her stunning analysis that the only Plan B on the table is that that same brickwall Parliament takes control, not just blocking any deal but taking over the negotiations…..apparently it is irrelevant what May and the government thinks.

    So a Remain majority Parliament stuffed to the rafters with people who are scheming and plotting to do down Brexit and she thinks that the answer is to give them complete control…not only negotiating a deal but voting on their own work…lol….seems a bit of a conflict of interest there not to say a dereliction of democratic duty as they ignore the wishes and instructions of a massive public vote.

    Still, now we can look forward to the BBC continually slipping in the EU’s latest advice…abandon Brexit….you know you want to!

    Odd that in all its massive coverage of Brexit we don’t actually get the real issues….that Brexit has already been decided by a vote, that the only real option now there is no deal is the one the BBC totally ignores…having voted down this deal we renegotiate based upon a genuine Brexit and if the EU is intransigent we implement ‘no-deal’, and thirdly that the Backstop is something that the Irish, the EU and the IRA cooked up between themselves making the NI border the pivotal issue upon which all negotiations turned….no Backstop no deal…and the BBC has pushed that continually despite there being nothing at all in the Good Friday Agreement about borders…it merely says there needs to be good cooperaton between Britain and Ireland.

    Curious that the real issues and options are totally ignored by the BBC, sidelined in favour of the Remain agenda.

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    • tarien says:

      Great summary Pug, tells it all.

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    • Emmanuel Goldstein says:

      MA big problem with this second referendum malarkey is that we brexiteers naively think that if we won again, the remoaners would accept the result.
      They will not.
      They might say it has to be 60:40 to be meaningful so 59:41 would be too close.
      They will make up loads of reasons why they can’t accept it.

      Had May simply left 2 years ago they would not have been able to do anything but May, being a remainer, stuffed her cabinet full of remainers and had a civil servant conduct the ‘brexit’ deal behind the backs of the various Brexit deal negotiators.

      If we don’t get our brexit I foresee fire and fury.

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      • Kaiser says:

        EG

        a 59:41 leave win would be to close

        a 49.99:50.01 remain win will be final

        and thats before wondering where vote leave will get money from for endless referendums, whereas remain has an inexhaustible supply

        I reality if there is one and remain win I for one will never believe it wasnt fixed.

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        • honestus says:

          We are in danger of accepting the narrative as dictated by the EU quislings (remainers) and their propaganda mouthpiece the activist BBC.
          The Referendum has been had. Leave won.

          (‘A once in a generation decision. This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide’)

          There will be no second referendum.
          If the anti democrats wish to annul our votes, then let them state this clearly, not hide behind some pseudo double speak suggesting an impartial fairness which another referendum is not.
          It is important that we do not let the BBC and anti democrats frame the narrative.

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  45. G says:

    I’m unusually late in arriving here this morning so forgive me if I wind the clock back to roughly 0845 earlier. Tuned in to Toady at that time to hear some American talking about the ‘Markets’ vis a vis the vote yesterday evening. He emphasised that no one but no one in this country knows what the Brexit future will be. Absolutely correct. That reply has to have been coached by our far left Marxist State Broadcaster because, contradictorily, he then said, what he did know (conclusively!) however is that a no-deal exit “would be a disaster for the UK”. How did he arrive at so positive a statement if not words put in his mouth?

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  46. Dover Sentry says:

    When and why did the voted for ‘Leave’ become ‘No Deal’ ?

    Perhaps the BBC could explain this as they use ‘No Deal’ continually?

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    • gaxvil says:

      True – noted the bbc pushed the thrust of the vote yesterday as being, ‘Leave, No Deal or No Brexit’. Maybe they think they’re very subtle, very clever?

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  47. Dystopian says:

    Do you think their PC department got this one wrong? (Main photo of black man wearing Union Jack coat and waving flag saying “Leave means Leave”).

    https://apple.news/AAImbNOYJSZKx820TFR0eiQ

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  48. Guest Who says:

    https://www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/gillette-fell-progressive-man-trap/1522981?

    Now, who else in media has fallen through the bottom of the ‘progressive man trap’, onto the bungee sticks and tripped the mines?

    Yet still survives.

    I recall every Lynx ad for all the fun reasons. This one… yes, I do know it well now.

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  49. scribblingscribe says:

    The BBC and SKY news web sites carry short reports of the Kenyan ‘attackers’. Just to remind you, Muslims massacred 14 innocent people and have left many dreadfully injured.

    There are only a couple of mentions of the attackers and elsewhere brief outlines of the fact they are Islamic extremists.

    The word Muslim isn’t used. The fact that the minority Muslim population (15%) are attacking the majority Christian population (83%) isn’t mentioned.

    Do they know what’s happening and just don’t report it or do the liberal left not understand what is happening to Christian populations all over the world?

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  50. gaxvil says:

    ‘The worst crisis since WW2’ – the bbc constantly chants.
    Back then, to a man (or woman) people rejoiced that we had averted German domination.
    Today however, an awful lot are quite despairing that we could move away from German domination.

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    • honestus says:

      G,
      450,000 British soldiers and civilians died during WW2. To even compare the two illustrates how totally deranged the BBC have become. Disgustng.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Hyperbole disease – biggest ever outbreak

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          Fedup2 – thanks for keeping this site going. Not posted for a while but your efforts are appreciated.

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