Midweek Open Thread 9 January 2019

Its so busy it’s time  for another Thread. In the next few weeks it won’t get any quieter ….

Please use nice language ….

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  1. vlad says:

    As Fiona Bruce prepares to show she can be as greedy and biased as the boys, in today’s DM celebrity agent Jon Roseman asks why is the BBC so gullible about its stars’ pay and so profligate with YOUR cash?
    “I know because, for many years, I was an agent to the biggest names in TV, from Carol Vorderman to Natasha Kaplinsky, pushing for sky-high salaries. And I was constantly amazed at what the BBC would pay.”
    Well worth the read.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6575447/Ive-got-question-Fiona-BBC-gullible-stars-pay.html

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  2. taffman says:

    Why do we have so much fuss in the UK media about Donald’s wall?
    Didn’t we build one in Calais in 2016?

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Taffman
      Judging by incidents of lorries coming into Blighty with illegals on board ( one today with over 30?)
      There are other options than the amphibious version which , presumably , is now being ignored by MSM .

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      • taffman says:

        While our Government adopts the Nelson position .
        ‘Turning a blind eye’
        We are full up!
        Short of houses , schools , hospital beds, doctor’s appointments, road space etc etc
        But more serious, if there is going to be a world recession, we will have high unemployment – then civil unrest.

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    • Dover Sentry says:

      We have a wall called the English Channel. It’s the envy of Trump.

      But it doesn’t seem to work too well…

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    • Nibor says:

      Taffman ,

      Great point .

      Most of it built under T Blairs government .

      And walls , security passes etc aren’t just built by elected governments . BBC Salford will have the latest technology .

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  3. G.W.F. says:

    BBC does not give over the Brexit fears. Enlists a Jap to warn against no deal.

    Brexit: Japan’s PM says ‘wish of whole world’ to avoid no-deal.
    Velly solly, flying sushi, no Blexit deal, ah soo.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46826345

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    • taffman says:

      The last I heard was that the WTO was OK . We have been a member since 1995 ?
      https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/countries_e/united_kingdom_e.htm
      Anyway the EU economy is beginning to crumble.

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    • Dover Sentry says:

      I suspect that the Japanese are worried about Britain becoming a bigger international trader than Japan.

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    • vesnadog says:

      But we had this in the build up to the first and ONLY referendum with Obama/Clintons/pop stars/AIDs Charities/Branson/Blair/ Soros do I need to go on spending tens of millions of ££s on their disgusting anti-British propaganda and they LOST LOST LOST and losers can never be winners in this once-in-a-lifetime-reality show.

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  4. Heyho says:

    Thought I’d just try the Hospital program on BBC2, thinking it would be similar to 24Hours in A&E on C4. They’ve just spent 10 minutes slagging off Carillion and interviewing some of the staff about how bad it was that so much public money had been wasted.
    I thought for a minute I’d tuned into a Jeremy Corbyn Party Political broadcast. Its seems everything these days is fair game for politicisation. No wonder people are switching off in there droves.

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    • Sir_Arthur_Strebe-Grebling says:

      What the bBBC didn’t tell us, of course, is that the PFI deal for the new Royal Hospital Liverpool was agreed in 2010 by the Labour government health secretary … Andy Burnham!

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  5. Dover Sentry says:

    Even if the voted for Brexit takes place in March, I fear that the BBC will continue to attack and seek to overturn it.

    They are doing the same with Trump, over two years since he was democratically elected.

    There’s something about democratic votes that the BBC doesn’t like.

    Unless of course it secures the election of their Labour government.

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    • vesnadog says:

      Attack all they want! Britain will be free at last and no mouthy BBC celeb can change a thing.

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  6. Lucy Pevensey says:

    It’s blinking marvellous when despite paying a state broadcaster you have to get news from outside the UK for a fair assessment of what’s happening around you.

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  7. theisland says:

    Letter sent to all Conservative Party Chairmen

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    • taffman says:

      IMPORTANT !
      “Sir Richard Dearlove and Lord Guthrie are right.”

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    • Fubard says:

      Thailand, thank you. This should be front page news. Following a tip from another contributor here I visited and read up on the ‘Veterans for Britain’ site. This is a real issue, right up there with the Backstop. They talk as if the Backstop is the only issue of any importance. This is absolutely fundamental to our nation’s security and ability to protect itself and its citizens.

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  8. Guest Who says:

    Clearly Ch4 needs BBC production values.

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    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      Young leavers? Eh? Beeby has been telling me for 2 1/2 years that no such people exist!

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Damn I switched it off as soon as I saw that Snow was going to do another hatchet job .

        I feel so sorry for the researcher looking for a new job this morning -off to the BBC or Guardian

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      • Guest Who says:

        The bbc has cornered the market in them for QT audiences.

        Coincidently the first tweet from QT on my timeline.

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      • Fubard says:

        Exactly Lucy! Young leavers are more rare than hens’ teeth! Sensible young people, I salute you!

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  9. Guest Who says:

    Good value:

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    • Skyblue says:

      In today’s Times it is reported that Rolls Royce Cars have set new records for sales and profits last year. They seem to be a bit more nimble than JLR.

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    • Eddy Booth says:

      I feel sorry for those orange robots

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      • Idiotboy says:

        Orange robots have feelings as well, you know.

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        • Fedup2 says:

          Yes one of those orange mcorange robits could have got the Question Time job

          “ Hello welcome to Question Time . We’ve got a carefully selected lefty audience and a remainer panel as usual “

          “ point – interupt
          Point – interupt

          Goodnight – thanks for watching

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          • Fedup2 says:

            At least with a lady beeboid in charge when she points at people she can say “ yes you in the red top from H&M costing £9.99 “ – sorry was that sexist ?

            By the way – I don’t know what H&M is and get it mixed up with S&M … or is it M&S?

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Eddy – for just three pounds a month you can give a home to an orange robot — youll Be sent updates about how it’s doing and for an extra pound you can buy it some 3in 1 oil…

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    • Dystopian says:

      Hopefully after next Tuesday there will be another redundant robot.

      Maybot heading for the scrap heap!

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  10. Tabs says:

    BBC Question Time with new host…

    barely 30 seconds into the 1st question with a Brexiter panelist answering the first question and Fiona Bruce interrupts him 3 times.

    Remainer Jo Swinson MP on the other hand didn’t get interrupted and also gets a round of applause.

    No changes there then. Bruce or Dimbleby, same shit different face.

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  11. Idiotboy says:

    New QT host Fiona Bruce a massive disappointment from the start. Displaying all the left wing bias of Dimbleby but with less subtlety. And even less gravitas if thatr were possible. The audience as usual carefully selected to represent the near brain-dead, none of them displaying any more cognitive reasoning ability than the average pickled herring. I really must stop watching this drivel.

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  12. SpinningReith says:

    I know him. An absolute nutcase.
    Last I heard he was chucked out of For Britain.

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  13. Nibor says:

    Some people / nation / states leave a bigger nation/ state and in their independent way make their way in the world .

    Sometimes the newly won independence brings poverty , sometimes more riches and affluence .

    Ireland wanted to be an independent country for yeah long .
    When it achieved it , actually went backward economically .
    But Irish people don’t regret their independence . Eventually they prospered . Do they want to be shackled to the UK ?

    The USA wanted independence and quickly prospered when they got it .

    So independence comes with its risks . How we negate those risks are more in the hands of TPTB. If they’re up to the job they should smooth out any transition. Leaving home is an uncharted water . Marrying someone is an uncharted water . Having children is an unchatered water . If you don’t do it your family will die out .

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  14. Foscari says:

    Is Question Time going now to run a similar format to the
    BBC’S national and regional news programmes . By
    phasing out indigenous white males off the panel?

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    • taffman says:

      They may bring on Eddie Izzard, you know, that clown who dresses up as a woman?

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      • BRISSLES says:

        Agreed Taff, – I do wish he’d stick to acting, which he’s not half bad at, rather than ponce around in a pink beret with matching nails.

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  15. Rich says:

    I was flicking back and forth between Question Time and bBBC NI where the Irish foreign minister and political poseur Simon Coveney was holding court, now more concerned with the “all-island economy” than the GFA, his true colours of spite and envy obvious to all but the bBBCs “baby-faced assassin” , in his own mind anyway, Mark Carruthers, as panic begins to take hold of the EUs eunuchs in the South.

    There’s no point in wasting time on the politicians paraded on Question Time, but from what I saw Fiona Bruce was predictably pre-programmed and useless and Nish Kumar brought nothing to the table but still seemed to me to be given a lot more time to apparently amuse us than Melanie Phillips was allowed to actually contribute something of worth.

    As was the twat-in-the-hat audience member who was indulgently permitted to pontificate unchallenged for much longer than usual. I wonder which socialist shower of shit he’ll be outed as being a leading member of?

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    • vlad says:

      Perhaps you missed Nish Kumar having his sanctimonious hissy fit at Melanie Phillips for speaking a few perfectly reasonable truths about the black-on-black crimewave on London streets.

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  16. BRISSLES says:

    WHY do members of the (normally sane) adult public get giggly and stupid when meeting someone who has just married a member of the Royal family ?? Jeez, the woman was an American soap starlet – the equivalent of our Michelle Keegan (?), undeniably pretty, but certainly no great shakes in the acting world, and yet she’s feted like she’s just discovered a wonder drug.

    Er, no, she’s just been allocated a couple of patronages, which means having her name printed on the headed note paper.

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    • Deborah says:

      Brissles, I like reading about MM in the Daily Mail, not the articles which seem to be written by her PR team, but the comments. There are very few positive ones. Yet yesterday’s news on the BBC certainly showed as you said people fawning over MM as did the newsreader.

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  17. honestus says:

    I have nothing personal against those individuals who voted to remain in the EU. Indeed, I have friends who are remainers who are still friends. If the referendum vote had gone their way, to say I would have been gutted would be somewhat of an understatement. But, I would have accepted it, as this is the way our democracy and the compact between those who govern and us, the governed, has always worked.
    Parliament allowed a straightforward referendum and gave us, the people, the final decision to make, and they would enact whatever the people decided.
    We voted to leave.
    Both main parties made upholding our decision the mainstay of their manifestos during the following GE. What could go wrong?

    Our compact is broken, ballots and manifestos are rendered meaningless and our democracy is no more. If our votes no longer count, then this will make peaceful revolution impossible and confrontation inevitable and if the effort is to great or the cause not worthy enough, then we will have the society and country we deserve.

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    • Rich says:

      Honestus,

      I find myself in a bit of a quandary with regards to the future of some close friendships.

      Rumour has it that a few family members on my wife’s side, firmly embedded in the establishment safe spaces of medicine, teaching and law, have applied for Irish passports “due to Brexit”. This is their right as citizens of Northern Ireland but goes very much against the grain within the tradition in which they were raised, their decision seemingly based purely on the possibility of them being inconvenienced on their post-Brexit ski-trips and European city breaks.

      I think that this is, appropriately, beyond the pale. The Irish government is an enemy of the Northern Irish state and has never knowingly benefited or shown goodwill to the British members of it’s population in any way. It has on the contrary been actively attempting to undermine and has been openly hostile to those who wish to remain British citizens for most of the last 100 years or so since Partition. The notion that these people I know can so easily disregard this and the ongoing duplicity of the Irish Government and their EU handlers throughout the Brexit process and who seem so willing to disregard their national identity in order to save, perhaps, half an hour at an airport is a real anathema to me.

      I don’t know how I feel towards them now but this certainly leads me to question my knowledge of their characters and to wonder wether we actually do share the same principles and values that I once assumed we did. Thank God it’s only the in-laws.

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  18. Dover Sentry says:

    I remember Lord Farage saying immediately after the Brexit win in 2016 that a battle had been won but that there would be a war ahead.

    He was so right. Little did we know then as to how evil and destructive to Brexit the elite would become.

    Imagine if Remain had won and Parliament was doing everything to Leave?

    Perhaps something for the BBC to explore?

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  19. tipple says:

    Andrew Neil and Michael Portillo gave Owen Jones a mild thrashing. I had hoped one of them might have punched him in the mouth.

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    • Celtic_Mist says:

      Portillio said something along the lines: When the Right protest they are … but when the Left do it, it’s called ‘Activism’ – so true

      https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1070415/Owen-Jones-Andrew-Neil-BBC-This-Week-row-smears-lies-accusations

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      • StewGreen says:

        An army of Owen Jones supporters on Twitter
        “@OwenJones84 just totally crushed Portillo and Andrew Neil on This Week!”
        … They’d say that if Owen Jones was carried away in a coffin
        ..cos just lie for the cause all the time

        The Express vide shows OJ trying to change the subject to attack AN
        and AN shuts him down “Your smears and lies about me are not going to be dealt with tonight.”
        ..”now we’ve run out of time, cos you wouldn’t answer my question”

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  20. LastChanceSaloon says:

    Driven 20 miles to post this.
    Home email not functioning.
    I cannot connect to the Internet.
    Signal strength 5 bars (maximum)!

    It is no longer, if it ever was, about the UK.
    Rebellion and repression trending towards maximum.
    Best wishes to everyone and their families.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      LastChance
      Your effort was worth it . It’s almost a situation when one just wants it all to go away .

      I really hope the PM sticks it to Bercow next week with a 90 minute debate in which she takes up 89 minutes of it with a speach ….

      Sooner or later he must be dragged out of that chair and Lindsey Hoyle installed to give it authority again

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Heroic, LCS.

      Good wishes to you and to your family & friends.

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  21. Dystopian says:

    Does anyone else agree-there is no need for the conservatives to fear a Corbyn victory? All they have to do is replace the useless treasonous May with JRM and a commitment to a WTO Brexit. Call an election, guaranteed 17.4 million votes for a start.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Dyst
      I don’t think those of a Conservative tendency would bother voting thus letting Corbyn in . Labour has been working hard in marginal constituencies such as mine and the comrades will turn out in numbers along with remainers supporting a third remainer party

      An election in the next couple of months will turn even more people off the events in that over rewarded joke of a parliamentary building .

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    • LastChanceSaloon says:

      D
      I disagree with every word.
      I notice conservatives, not Conservatives.

      #00 Capital punishment compulsory for certain crimes.
      #01 May, investigated for treason.
      #02 Ditto all other MPs.
      #03 Ditto Civil servants.
      #04 The guilty, maximum punishment.
      #05 Others dismissed, pensions withdrawn,
      #06 De-selection of Tory traitors not in jail.
      #07 Destruction of the EU a stated policy.
      #08 As per an earlier post in this thread, maximum defence spending.

      Lots more.
      I might then, with a clothes peg restricting my nostrils, using a very long sterilised barge pole, vote Conservative.

      All and any celebrations, if we really leave the EU, must be muted.
      Millions of enemies within will still be working for a global government.
      Other millions of enemies within will still be working for a different global government, HQ Mecca.
      Brexit will only be the end of the beginning.

      I think we will have more wars to end all wars.
      We must prepare to win these wars.

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  22. Fedup2 says:

    Toady watch

    So oxford prof interviewed by our Justin because he says homosexuals do sodomy and so snow flake students want him sacked from his job

    Unfortunately the prof used too many words and didn’t research his sound bites .

    Anyway – he ll lose his contract in the current amoral
    ‘ culture ‘ . Lucky he didn’t make a joke about wimmin falling in love with their tutors …

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  23. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC Online News:

    “”Praise For Fiona Bruce’s First Question Time”” (Front page)

    “”Question Time: Fiona Bruce’s debut proves popular””

    “”The new presenter of Question Time, Fiona Bruce, has had a warm reaction to her first time presenting the show.””

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-46833072/question-time-fiona-bruce-s-debut-proves-popular

    They would say that, wouldn’t they….

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    • Guest Who says:

      A worthy point to show again what happens when the machine is less generously uniquely funded…

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      • Guest Who says:

        Interesting times when ‘debate’ is used but later on ‘but no one knew the facts’ invoked by those who lost.

        This is a neat counter to everyone from Femi to Campbell:

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      • Guest Who says:

        And apres la deluge…

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        • LastChanceSaloon says:

          GW
          “Did the camera caught me mouthing WTF”
          Law Student, his eloquence will certainly impress the jury.

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  24. Dystopian says:

    So the conservatives finally implement a policy that stops paying benefits to people who choose to have more children whilst they are unable to support said children. A sensible policy that prevents the types of people who have lots of kids, with no intention of ever working, from milking our country The lefty’s pile on the pressure and the conservatives, namely Amber Rudd do a U turn. When are we going to get some leaders with some balls?

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Dyst
      All the contenders for the PMs job are lining up. Rudd can be the ‘nice ‘ one making welfare easier , Then there’s the Asian one and then the Jeremy Hunt one who no one has a thing to say about .

      Hunt was on Toady today being interrupted – not interviewed – by humph who has the same Tourette’s as Robinson .

      In fairness to Mr Hunt he did recognise that failure to carry through brexit would have long term negative effects on politics in Blighty . And we know what the alternatives to politics are …

      Ps – I’ve got my pound on mr hunt as the next caretaker PM …

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      • vesnadog says:

        “and then the Jeremy Hunt”

        Every time I see this guy he looks ever so scared and:

        “I wish I was somewhere else, just been caught hiding behind the couch in the “Watergate” building!” expression!

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    • JamesG says:

      Amber Rudd is very concerned she’s going to lose her seat at the next election because Hastings and Rye is rapidly becoming like Brighton and Hove, a constituency full of social justice warriors and other various lefties. And so she’s desperately trying to appease them with U-turns like this, but I doubt it will save her. You can’t buck demographic trends.

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  25. jazznick1 says:

    On toady this morning just before 7am Humphreys had the Japanese Ambassador in for an interview/browbeat about Brexit following the Japanese PM’s visit to No.10.

    Humpy tried desperately, in broken English, to get him to say that Japanese companies would pull out of the UK if no deal.

    But he didn’t. He would prefer as little disruption as possible of course but they can overcome that.

    He admitted, in perfectly measured English, that 30yrs ago they saw the UK as a gateway to the EU but now they saw the UK as a market in it’s own right as it had all the people, R&D, Tech expertise and markets for Japanese companies to grow right here.

    ……………………………….
    Er, and now the Weather…………………..

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    • Up2snuff says:

      jazz, amazing that the BBC, who were SO upset at the thought of the Russians interfering in the US Election, the UK GE and possibly Brexit, are very happy to aid and assist the Japanese at interfering in our Brexit Parliamentary process.

      Shame that it didn’t work out quite as intended ….

      🙂

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  26. Dystopian says:

    Apparently Facebook are going to have an “independent” fact checking service to identify fake news.
    Roughly translated that means Facebook are going to identify as fake news anything they disagree with.
    I imagine this will be as “independent” as the bbc are “impartial”!
    (Sarcasm)

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  27. Fedup2 says:

    Jazz

    Yes heard it . The other alarming thing for the bbc was that the jap companies have planned for a ‘no deal’ following up on the chap who runs the port of Calais .

    The project fear end of the world stuff is sounding even more desperate and infantile but the soros grid of announcements must be followed even though it failed in the referendum campaign..

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    • jazznick1 says:

      The planning at Honda for a short shutdown in April was not, as Humpy had hoped, a precursor to a complete closedown but just a precaution against disruption to their JIT parts supply.

      A sensible solution to enable buffer stocks to be built up before the production line is started again.

      2 toady fails in a matter of days – better go back to interviewing their own ‘reporters’ who can deliver the ‘what he was really saying was’….. (edited fake news).

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  28. Foscari says:

    Doesn’t Melanie Phillips know that on the BBC you cant discuss
    Black on Black crime. As Douglas Murray always says when
    there is a taboo subject on the BBC they look for a secondary
    cause why Black gang drug dealers are murdering other
    black gang drug dealers or their “mules.”
    The police are an easy target. And as Mel Phillips said to the
    unfunny comedian last night who was on Question Time last
    night for the usual BBC reason, diversity, after he had called
    her disgusting .” Have you read the MacPherson Report?”
    He had not. Ever since then after being called institutionally
    racialist . The Met have given the streets to the black gangs. In
    case one day when trying to arrest one of the scum who takes
    out a knife to stab the police officer, he defends himself, and is called a racist!
    And the number one programme that gives succour to this is
    the Londonistan Programme.

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    • JamesG says:

      Most of the murders in London consist of young black men being killed by other young black men. Local people then complain that the police didn’t do enough to stop the crimes. But when the police do try to do something about tackling crime in their area, they complain about being victimised by the police, and start talking about racism, etc. Doesn’t make any sense.

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      • Tabs says:

        Not just London. The USA has a disproportionate number of blacks killing other blacks. But every now and then a white policeman kills a black person which triggers “black lives matter” BBC virtue signalling.

        Some of the crap spoken on Question Time last night… “blacks killing blacks is solely due to Tory youth centre cuts”. The biggest threat to the black community is the Liberals and their messed up thinking.

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        • G says:

          Tabs,
          ” “blacks killing blacks is solely due to Tory youth centre cuts”. Wow! the power and influence of our far left Marxist State Broadcaster is staggering! So the disproportionate black killings in the US is down to Tory cuts?

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        • Fedup2 says:

          Tabs The Londonistan Borough of Waltham Forest – where this 14 year old saint met his end has always been a fully socialist constituency – council wise .

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  29. digg says:

    Slightly off-topic but a favourite theme for the Beeb I can’t help but notice that the Global Warming hordes are keeping a low profile while we all shiver and Austria is deluged in snow and Greece suffers record low temperatures – and we are told to brace for Arctic Weather in the UK in 10 days or so!

    Odd init?

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  30. JamesG says:

    For a moment there I thought we might be able to get through a whole edition of Today without a discussion about transsexuals and all the awful terminology that goes along with the subject, but with about 15 minutes to go the inevitable happened.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      James
      Well I was flicking across the car wireless and there was a thing on Wimmins Hour about gynaecology . Shocked .

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  31. JamesArthur says:

    R4. The agenda in full flow – film about Collette..phrases included : me too, LGBTQ, woman coming out from under BIG male ego, Trans arguments who should play a trans ..a cys or gay ..WTF..if its a good story it’s a good story why do they have to big up the great woman angle….
    Now the big ideas…interviewee Caroline Slocock. ex equal opportunities and now CEO civil exchange..as far as I can see her career has been spent milking public sector…and Polly McKenzie CEO Demos another policy person worked with Nick Clegg..milking public sector..
    Will the BBC actually ask people in who have a different view from the one they like to hear…as far as I can see these two have benefited greatly from the public purse and now sit here pontificating on how to do things better, having not done any of it themselves..(I stand to be corrected)..slagging off the Tories seems to be the theme..big up Labour policies

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    • Fedup2 says:

      James – I got the tick box bit on that before the “off switch “ operated. You can imagine them queuing around the block for that one . And blokes being dragged along by hip girlfriends in the hole of a happy minute afterward….

      Bet mark commode gave it 5 stars .

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  32. Up2snuff says:

    BBC Propaganda comes back to bite them hard on the butt ….. if not further inside the human body & dietary system.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-46827426

    The BBC have spent the last few years, especially the last two, propagandising against sugar. (Anything to do with Tate & Lyle’s Brexit stance?) The BBC have been increasingly pushing for taxes on sugar. (Anything to do with the EU and the food taxes increasingly being introduced or is it just plain BBC greed & wanting low Income Tax for high BBC incomes?) The BBC have been pushing the ‘obesity thing’ for longer and now they are trying to get everyone to ‘go vegan’. (Anything to with the BBC stance on Global Warming & Climate Change which cannot be challenged?)

    Apparently they have managed to scare enough people, over health, over evil sugar (not to mention salt), that a significant number of people (young people? who haven’t been taught about food?) into low carbohydrate diets.

    And their health is now at risk due to the lack of fibre in their ‘low carb’ diets.

    BBC: you are playing a dangerous game. Not only will you get burned, damaged, hurt but so will others, many others. Stop. Now.

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  33. StewGreen says:

    BBC fire-uo the outrage tractor, over “grid girls” doing PR at LAMMA agricultural show in Brum for sprayer company
    4 pics

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    • dazzer says:

      It was sad when F1 stopped the grid girls. An ex-girlfriend of mine did similar work and she and all the other girls loved it.

      I can’t help feeling that jealousy not equality is behind those who protest. SJWs just seem so bitter.

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      • Dystopian says:

        It is absolutely down to jealousy. I’ve never seen an attractive SJW type yet.

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    • StewGreen says:

      Is there a parallel ?
      – In the past PR used to include bits of SEXY fluff (to get both male/female attention)
      – These days PR includes bits of BAME/minority fluff (to Virtue Signal to libworld friends “look we are right on SJW” )

      ==============
      I’m not sure that sexy PR people is about a men vs women and ALL women.
      The footage of the stand shows 3 types of worker male sales staff, female sales staff and sexy PR people
      Likewise the customers seem to be both male and female.

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    • Dystopian says:

      She can spray my fertiliser any day of the week!

      I’ll get my coat……

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  34. Up2snuff says:

    With reference to the dangers to health from the BBC’s propagandising, I am brought to earth with sad news on the front page of the Times newspaper.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-46832831

    The BBC propagandised over the MMR vaccine instead of asking rigorous questions of the PM and SoS for Health of the day, as well as the various medical bodies’ representatives that were made available to be interviewed. They pushed the MMR vaccine – irrespective of danger – without ever mentioning the fractional risk of that vaccine and any others when used.

    I know the scare over MMR was probably a false one but that right-hand column of the Times’ front page emphasises the inherent risk in ALL inoculations and vaccinations and the importance of reading all of the small print that comes on the bit of paper with the vaccine. It doesn’t make precautionary inoculation or vaccination not worth doing but the 100% perfect outcome is not necessarily there for everyone.

    Stop propagandising, BBC!

    You are putting at risk of serious damage the lives of your viewers and listeners.

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    • StewGreen says:

      Re : “Yellow fever jab seems to kill expert”
      DwnMfPKXQAAOmMS.jpg:small
      libmob go for simple “folk tale” narratives rather than full colour complex truth.
      and like children they throw a hissy fit when such comfortable “folk tales” are challenged cos you have taken away their CERTAINTY
      .. whether it’s Global-Warming doom, Brexit doom etc.

      See how children are happy with the folk-tale that the stork brought them, and then repulsed when you tell them they came from their Mum an Dad having sex

      A libmob folk-tale like that “all Brexiteers are racist”
      has a parallel with other people’s folk-tales like that ALL ethnic-Muslims/gays/blacks are dangerous/inferior .
      ====================
      The yellow fever /MMR comparison
      Any medical procedure CAN have side effects, so it is a matter of calculating the positives the negatives
      No one says MMR never harms anyone, but rather the established side effects across an entire population are much lower in effect than a whole population that’s left unvaccinated.
      For Yellow Fever vaccination in old people the number of side affects across a group are much higher, but for people living in yellow fever areas, are still argued to be lower than people getting yellow fever.

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    • StewGreen says:

      The Times article and comments don’t mention MMR
      but there is this comment

      A good friend and colleague of mine, Malcolm Brabant, went insane as a result of his yellow fever inoculation.
      Malcolm was a war reporter for the BBC, living in Athens
      . His spiral into insanity after receiving the yellow fever jab, manufactured by Sanofi Pasteur, was documented on film by his wife Trine Villeman. Malcolm was sectioned several times, believing himself to be the Christ and then Satan. Their young son lost his childhood to his father’s madness, while the family came close to destitution.
      Malcolm has mercifully recovered (it took years), and now works as European Correspondent for the PBS Newshour in America. His stories on the migrant crisis have won him the Peabody Award.
      He and Trine have made a video of this terrible story – it is both harrowing and life-affirming – and it has just been released on Amazon Prime and iTunes.
      called “Malcolm is a little unwell” and will cost you £5.49 .

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    • StewGreen says:

      Yellow Fever vacc : UN WHO opinion dated Dec 2016
      “Although serious adverse reactions have been documented
      (hypersensitivity reactions, viscerotrophic and neurotrophic disease),
      these are extremely rare and often occur within defined risk groups.”
      https://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/committee/topics/yellow_fever/Dec_2016/en/

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  35. Guest Who says:

    Nish likely laughing all the way to the bank though. Even if no one else is.

       32 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      They didn’t put Nish on QT for his wisdom, he’s a grid girl
      .. he’s on the show to be a bit of “brown fluff” to make the show sexy to SJW types

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      • maxincony says:

        StewGreen,

        They didn’t put Nish on QT for his wisdom, he’s a grid girl
        .. he’s on the show to be a bit of “brown fluff”..

        “A bit of brown fluff”.

        Remind me, Stew, of the last time you suggested a white comedian was on QT because of their skin colour? Remind me of the last time you described anyone appearing on TV as being “a bit of white fluff”?

        Congratulations for confirming you’re just one more racist idiot posting on a website taken over by racist idiots.

           1 likes

        • StewGreen says:

          Em Triggered Max , it is not racist of me to suggest that BBC and metroLib media in general is RACIST in the way it often seems to select brown performers for their skin colour to tick a diversity box, rather than ability.

          You bearing false witness against me by shouting “racist” with no evidence reflects badly on you.
          The issue here was not ALL non white people it was a particular one.
          Since we believe in the principle of equality of course there is a place for truly useful or relevant BAME on QT
          and I don’t complain .

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  36. Up2snuff says:

    I wonder when the BBC’s new Economics Editor and/or Business Editor, Simon Jack, and/or Business Correspondent will wake up to the over 20% increase in the price of oil ….

    ……. in under one month!

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    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Snuff – Simon Jack? Sounds like he’s both white and male. Gosh, the bbc do surprise me! That’s more startling than the price of oil…
      Wouldn’t be a Jeremy fan or a left-wing US Democrat, would he?

         6 likes

      • Up2snuff says:

        Yep. English I think. Doesn’t Blog much, in fact he’s not around much at all but has some health issues. Don’t know about SJ’s politics, unlike Kamal Ahmed! 😉

        The Kiwi Korrespondent shows SJ up. He is actually a very good broadcaster as well as being on top of his brief. It is a shame that we have to import someone for a job that could be done by an indigenous Brit but at least he is good. And no apparent bias so far.

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        • StewGreen says:

          Health issues ? He tweets every working day almost
          Doesn’t mention oil price much
          last one was 3 months ago

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          • lojolondon says:

            Funny – I didn’t see the price of fuel come down in the last months, except for heating oil, of course….. Also careful not to mention that the USA is about to become a net energy-exporter – thanks to Trump and fracking like crazy!

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  37. dafydd says:

    Im obviously no fan of Labour and especially under the Marxist Corbyn and his appalling front bench, but of all the people associated with the existing Labour Party Owen Jones has to be the most obnoxious prick known to man kind…Why in God’s name do TV outlets continue to tolerate the complete arse wipe…
    I think Owen ”im actually a nobody”Jones needs to piss off and play with his Barbie Dolls at home

    https://order-order.com/2019/01/11/owen-jones-scraps-andrew-neil/

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  38. Celtic_Mist says:

    On Owen Jones’s uncivil behaviour the bBBC choose these namby pamby words –

    “Watch the lively studio discussion that followed this film”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-46833466/owen-jones-on-a-fiery-political-week-in-westminster

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    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Mist- ‘fascists’? ‘blackshirts’? He obviously hasn’t bumped into Antifa yet.
      But then, if he had, he might have the odd scar or two to show for it. Like Frank Magnitz of the AfD in Germany. He met some blackshirt/masked fascists, only what they call themselves now is -Antifa. Clever, innit?
      Frank’s still in hospital, by the way, while the German authorities in Bremen work out how to whitewash his attackers – their buddies.
      And,talking of German Fascists, I immediately think of Nicole Diekmann of the ZDF (German version of the bbc, also force-subsidised by poll tax) who, when asked who she considered to be Nazis, declared it was ‘anyone who didn’t vote Green’)
      Footnote:
      The German Greens generally hate Germans, borders, and -as we can see- all the Nazis who don’t vote for them. May we be spared our own greens turning into that…

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  39. scribblingscribe says:

    I hope BBC execs and producers weren’t watching ITV’s Manhunt with Martin Clunes playing the ‘tec who caught Milly Dowler’s killer.

    All the of the police offers were white and male, with the exception of two wholly believable women. Yes, I know, ITV must be full of hate and need to be attacked by the BBC/Guardian/Social Media Warriors.

    But it gets worse. The serial killer who murdered Milly Dowler amongst others, Levi Bellfield, is revealed as a ‘traveller’. Clearly this would have been censored by the BBC. Worse, he was joined in his paedophile activities by his ‘Asian’ pals.

    No wonder the BBC left it to others to make.

       46 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      @Scribbling While we are here I have some thoughts on that prog
      You know when you watch crime-fiction and they flukes which lead them to the perp, this reality was similar.
      They only got the perp cos they got through a series of blunders*
      #0 From the attack on the French girl they had a fuzzy CCTV of a licence plate of a white van, so stuck.
      #1 A black beat police woman character turns up and says “I took a statement from a woman and she asked it has been followed up, she reported this gypsy character who goes around with a knife hidden in his balaclava and has a history of violence against women.”
      ..The chief calls for the statement and lo and behold no one has looked at it.
      The check the guys name and lo and behold he has a white van whose registration does match the unblurred letters of the CCTV
      #2 There are 2 other similar crimes with a very similar pattern in the area, one is Milly Dowler’s handled by Surrey police. It happens that the chief’s wife is an IT expert who has worked on that case, but Surrey police are so intent on empire building they block his wife from asking questions.
      So a dead end
      until at the end they are forced by media pressure to arrest the suspect before they have enough evidence.
      His wife sure that she’s shot of him starts to speak.. She says that her red Toyota was taken by her husband on the night of Milly Dowler who then told her it had been stolen.
      #3 So chief goes to Surrey police and sure enough they have CCTV of that same car with rare paint colour, but they send him away cos they have another suspect ..blazing row.
      Then on spec the Surrey detective turns up at the chief’s office with 2 videos from the pub, but she says there’s nothing to see cos they’ve already been checked.
      They check and find that video 22b is still in an unopened evidence bag. Then it turns out the detective had checked 22a, and left her deputy to check 22b, but cos that was listed over the page, he’d not noticed and had simply watched 22a again instead.
      They check 22b and lo and behold it has their suspects own van on the CCTV, so now they have enough evidence to charge him as a serial sex killer.
      They admit that had that 22b video been watched earlier , the guy would have been arrested.
      #3 When they did raid the perps house, they can’t find him and are about to give up until the wife points at the loft. Doh , they hadn’t checked properly. The detective was told to wait for armed unit, but instead he defied and went up himself and got the cowering guy.
      #4 Oh I think there was a chance of DNA evidence from another case, but the police evidence store had lost the object
      So overall the police had a lot of resources but nearly failed, indeed Surrey Police had, and another victim had died.

      * (I was going to say “cock-up”, which is not a swear word in etymology, but American’s think it is.)

         9 likes

    • Wild Bill says:

      Changed his name too.

      Yusuf Rahim (born Levi Rabetts;[3] 17 May 1968), formerly known as Levi Bellfield,

         6 likes

  40. Roderic says:

    This must have been embarrassing for the BBC:

       19 likes

    • Dystopian says:

      “It’s not true, it’s not true…the trucks will pass as they do today”
      ..
      “The responsible people have said there will be no delays in Dover ….we have said there will be no delays in Calais”

      Oh dear I don’t think that is what they wanted him to say.
      The biased bbc are showing themselves up now it’s getting beyond ridiculous.

         18 likes

      • G says:

        I see Treason May has got the the Japanese PM on side to support, “her deal with the EU”. I’m surprised he allowed himself to support a deal which the Japanese would not subscribe to if it were their, “deal”. Perhaps he was just having a St. Obama “….back of queue” moment.

           10 likes

  41. Up2snuff says:

    Another failure of BBC propaganda.

    A year ago. Plastic was all the go at the BBC after St Attenborough’s programme.

    Mid-year: UK recycling rates have dropped.

    End of 2018/beginning 2019: we are going to have to burn our waste … according to the i newspaper. Hopefully, IF we do, we will take the opportunity to generate electricity from it.

    BBC: your propaganda has damaged the planet.

       30 likes

    • lojolondon says:

      People put their waste into recycling bins.
      The Council pretends to ‘recycle’, but actually just sells it to China.
      Chinese pretend to take the whole lot, but extract the glass, metal and paper and dump the plastic, which ends up in the ocean.
      So the whole ‘recycling’ scam leads directly to plastic in the oceans, this never happened when we put it into landfill.
      So to solve the problem the government puts a tax on shopping bags – 8-(

         17 likes

  42. SpinningReith says:

    taffman January 11, 2019 at 12:26 am
    SpinningReith
    chucked out , what for ?

    Obsessed with certain topics to the point of being aggressively argumentative. Definitely a loose cannon.
    Can’t imagine the ‘authorities’ having anything to do with him.

       3 likes

  43. StewGreen says:

    animated satire : Kleinefeldmause on Bercow
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b087rky7

       10 likes

    • vlad says:

      As a member of the toad community, I find the comparison highly offensive and am considering suing for hate crime against toads.

         7 likes

  44. StewGreen says:

    So Lucy & BBC4 do you have a way to help undermine Trump and Americans’ pride in their history ?
    American History’s Biggest Fibs with Lucy Worsley
    Starts Jan 17th ..three parts

       15 likes

    • vlad says:

      Lucy gets another excuse to dress up and look cute, while the beeb undermine Uncle Sam. Win-win.
      No doubt they’ll put the boot into Trump – perhaps that was the real reason for the whole series?

         16 likes

  45. Terminal Moraine says:

    A synchronous moment right now as the no.1 most read article on both BBC and the Guardian websites is the death of BBC North West weatherperson Dianne Oxberry.

    A bit hard to believe (I’ve never heard of her myself)… but maybe for specialist items of interest to those in the Graun/beeb bubble votes count for double?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-46820379

       12 likes

    • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

      They’r having a laugh mate…
      They know the plebs wont have a scooby doo who she is, but they do it because they can.

         12 likes

  46. Halifax says:

    You just cant make it up !!!

    BBC Reporting that Four working single mothers have won a High Court challenge over the government’s universal credit scheme.

    heck out the Getty Stock picture it shows a mother (BME obviously with 2 children) and the pictures not even in the UK !!!! Lazy Lazy Journalism……..how much do they get a year ?

       27 likes

    • Eddy Booth says:

      Universal credit: Single mums win High Court battle
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46834533
      Four working single mothers have won a High Court challenge over the government’s universal credit scheme.

      They argued a “fundamental problem” with the system meant their monthly payments varied “enormously”, leaving them out of pocket and struggling financially.
      Lawyers for the women said the problem was likely to affect “tens of thousands of people” claiming the benefit.
      A DWP spokesman said: “We are carefully considering the court’s judgment.”

      Then the bbc ‘journalists’, rather than explain exactly what the judgement was, and what the govenment have to do, if anything …, go on tangents about other issues with the universal Credit..
      bla bla bla
      finally back to ther story
      ”Two judges in London concluded the work and pensions secretary had “wrongly interpreted” the relevant regulations.”

      Then back to more tangents

         15 likes

      • Eddy Booth says:

        ha ha , shows how pathetic the BBC is when I have to go to The Sun, to find out what the governments response was.

        ‘Ms Rudd refused to comment on the ruling today, telling reporters: “I’m going to have to consider it in the department and then we will be coming forward with what our response is going to be.’

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  47. Guest Who says:

    BBC News posted an episode of BBC’s Cut Through the Noise.

    “I‘ve decided not to have kids, to do my part for climate change.”
    It’s a deeply personal choice and for many it’s the biggest decision of their life – whether to have children or not.
    This week on #CutThroughTheNoise we hear from people whose fears about the future have them rethinking the whole idea of starting a family. …

    On the whole #CCBGB for the BBC and their latest heroines, but there are a smattering of the latter demanding beastly men be banned.

    It would be funny if not tragic. On balance, these examples not breeding seems a boon for the gene pool, but somehow the BBC thinks one less £2000 jogging pram in Islington will address climate change.

       20 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      Also, how does the BBC find these women?

      Do they call up at random and tell reception they are not having kids today, so put them through to BBC Tripe?

      Or does BBC Tripe approach random birds outside W1A and ask if their lack of snotty rug rats mean they are not on benefits or simply doing their bit for GW 😉

         17 likes

    • Kaiser says:

      well your sacrifice might be helpful love, but HMG will bring in 20 muzzies to replace your kids

         18 likes

  48. BRISSLES says:

    Um, has someone in sport died ?? Oh, no, its just Andy Murray in blub mode again.

    Dear God, I know that we have a generation of ‘new men’ who let their ‘feminine’ side come to the fore, but watching a grown man blubber because he has to retire, is utterly embarrassing.

    My old Dad played pro football for Raith Rovers and Sheff Wed back in the day, for a salary of around a tenner, and he worked at the coal face of a coal mine for 10 years, – see him cry ? never, and he never had any hangups either.

    Whatever has happened to ‘manning up’ and be someone that both men and women can be proud of.

       38 likes

    • JamesArthur says:

      Brissles old chap
      ‘manning up’…that’s just another patriarchal construct that demeans all 250 genders and sets civilisation back . At least use the appropriate phrase ‘LGBTQIAPK ‘ up
      Go to the BBC school of PC

         15 likes

      • BRISSLES says:

        Well, I’d get the push after an hour then, if I got a job at El Beeb ! I’m as far removed from being politically correct as you could get. PC to me means personal computer.

           15 likes

  49. StewGreen says:

    Grenfell fraudster count
    #17 Alvin Thompson 50
    Not yet convicted, but the odds ..

       14 likes

    • lojolondon says:

      WOW – can’t believe that – 17. Outrageous. VERY stiff penalties needed to stop this kind of behaviour!

         9 likes

    • G says:

      SG,
      In the US, he would probably have been deported straight away.

         10 likes

      • StewGreen says:

        @G The BBC will have not reported yet on this Grenfell fraudster
        cos they are still checking where he was born, I guess /sarc
        No results found for site:bbc.co.uk “Alvin Thompson”

           6 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      Jeez was there any third worlder who wasn’t in that tower?

      Where do I claim?

         7 likes

      • Eddy Booth says:

        But did he claim the cash on the basis he was supposedly a homeless person living on the stairs? or was it a no questions asked handout ?

           1 likes

        • BRISSLES says:

          London – Black on black stabbings, black gangs, black fraudsters, a black day at the Black Broadcasting Corporation if they cant see a pattern here.

             2 likes

  50. vlad says:

    Oh dear, the bbc story of the innocent 14-year-old moped rider, who had nothing to do with drugs and gangs, is unravelling faster than you can say “racism”. It seems the future doctor and engineer wasn’t quite as squeaky clean as the beeb would have you believe.
    According to the Sun, “On his Facebook page Jayden describes himself as a “trapper kid”, urban slang for drug dealer, while in one picture he appears making the sign of a handgun and in another he clutches a fistful of bank notes”.
    He’d been expelled from school, and according to family, “this is what failed him”. In other words, dear reader, the system failed him; it’s your fault.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8171007/jayden-moodie-expelled-school-social-media-before-death/
    images

    leyton-waltham-forest-murder-victim-jayden-moodie-pictured-with-anthony-joshua-boxer-hero.jpg

       31 likes

    • dazzer says:

      We guessed right!

      “A close school pal told The Sun Jayden was killed because one of his older friends had an “issue” with another gang member.”

      Unlikely. Way too weak a link. Probably killed over a debt or territory.

      “He might have fallen in with the wrong crowd – he was an outspoken kid.” The oldest excuse in a criminal’s book.

         25 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      A tragic loss . Our thought are with …. my lottery numbers . ( compassion fatigue )

         5 likes

      • vlad says:

        Or as the indomitable Ann Coulter put it: the well of white guilt has run dry.

        I think it was in this discussion with the insufferable Whoopsie Goldberg, but I might be wrong.

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