415 Responses to Midweek Open Thread 19 December 2018

  1. StewGreen says:

    Actor Rob Lowe now plays a US policeman transferred to Lincolnshire in a forthcoming ITV drama
    so he’s been looking at British politics


  2. StewGreen says:

    BBC bosses £75K pay rises etc.

    credibility on a shoestring


    • LastChanceSaloon says:

      You do not understand. You have to pay the most to attract the best talent.
      Hitherto the BBC has paid peanuts and got monkeys.


      • Navets says:

        They have many monkeys which is probably why the peanut bill has been so large for so long.


    • Guest Who says:

      They are all white. Only one wimmin? And she’s…. blonde!

      Greg Dyke will need a lie down.


  3. LastChanceSaloon says:

    Another Lefty MP Fiona Onasanya , guilty of being unable to drive, guilty of being unable to lie convincingly, guilty of being unable to remember which story she is supposed to follow, guilty of being as thick as a plank, guilty of being the ugliest woman alive.
    Deport her and all family.


    • StewGreen says:

      That was quick, I thought the first jury was stuck and she faced a retrial.

      Top Guido comnent
      \\ A lucrative career on the BBC awaits. Just ask Vicky Pryce. //


      • Fedup2 says:

        Got to hand it to the bbc – they’ve been boring us for a year about the 100th anniversary of the wimmin getting the vote – now this soon -to – be -an -Ex- labour MP could be the first woman MP to go to Prison . Happy New Year …

        Btw how can a politician get caught lieing ?


    • StewGreen says:

      The BBC story is out, it was a speedy retrial
      ..none of the big delays that TR gets

      I don’t get how they can such a rich family and living in public housing and having a Russian lodger
      .. I thought the homeless British needed housing ?


  4. StewGreen says:

    Solihull : The Afghan migrant who murdered his number two wife the Syrian refugee, police are investigating a network who sheltered him.

    ‘ It’s not the community it’s just a few bad apples’ as they say in Rotherham.


  5. StewGreen says:

    Melanie Phillips wrote sympathetically about Grenfell
    underneath there are 100 comments
    The one that was the top ranked was deleted by the Times
    .. Wonder what it said ?


  6. StewGreen says:

    Our mad MSM
    Mon – ‘Sharron Davies is on Tinder dating, but shaved 11 years off her age’
    Tues – eg Times : small correction “The story was not true. Sharron Davies is NOT on Tinder”
    Wed – Sharron Davies ‘has her identity stolen by Tinder fraudsters’


    • LastChanceSaloon says:

      Tinder? Is this a new Amazon Ereader?


      • LastChanceSaloon says:

        OK I looked it up myself.
        Is this the one, Tinder Best Dating Site?
        Not much good, not a single “pop into your local undertakers and xxxxa still warm corpse” available.

        Amended post – Fedup2


  7. StewGreen says:

    Norwegian mother afraid of over zealous Norwegian social workers wins asylum from Poland


  8. StewGreen says:

    British Asians : Ambarish Mitra and Omar Tayeb founded Blippar an augmented reality corp and claimed it was worth $1bn
    ..of course it’s collapsed
    ..losing investors £170m
    (Mitra was born in Delhi)


  9. Terminal Moraine says:

    Once known as “The best footballers in the world”.

    In Guardianworld, progress is the real winner.



  10. Celtic_Mist says:

    I just caught the post regarding the BBC Tweet about the Amphibian that buries head in sand named after Donald Trump. This comes after the BiasedBBC were salivating over the story about Russians creating memes on social media to influence US politics. The BBC are up to their necks in support of the left’s ongoing campaign to unseat President Trump. If RT had tweeted something like that against a Democrat there would be hell in pay and probably get them banned from Twitter.


  11. G.W.F. says:

    Corbyn denies calling the stupid cow a stupid woman.
    That should keep Parliament busy



  12. Non Snowflake says:

    More snowflake-related than bBBC, but there is one welcome thing that I’ve noticed over the last week or so.

    Every time I’ve heard “The Fairytale of New York” on the radio recently, it’s actually been uncut and uncensored, so when Kirsty MacColl sings “You cheap lousy faggot” there is no bleeping or distorting of that “offensive” word.

    It must be said that I haven’t been listening to BBC radio or watching the TOTP repeats, so I don’t know whether the bBBC are following suit, but the local and DAB stations play it uncut.

    Which is quite refreshing. Small victories, and all that.


    • G.W.F. says:

      Non Snowflake

      Small victory

      The BBC edited the word faggot. But there followed an uproar led by fans and Kirsty Mcall’s mother so they had to reverse it and allow the original to be played.

      Radio 1 backs down in Pogues row

      The edited version
      BBC Radio 1 has said it will allow the Pogues’ Fairytale of New York to be played on the station uncut, after criticism of a decision to censor it.
      The words “slut” and “faggot” had been dubbed out from the 20-year-old festive hit by station executives.

      But after a day of criticism from listeners, the band, and the mother of singer Kirsty MacColl, they changed their minds.

      Controller Andy Parfitt said the original decision was “wrong”.
      The BBC had said that an edited version would be played because “some members of the audience might find it offensive”.



      • Navets says:

        G.W F
        Of course they would want to delete the offensive words now. This is because if the younger generation of today had been the younger generation of thirty or so years ago, things would have been so different because the younger generation of today is so much more enlightened and educated than we ever were or could ever aspire to be. Racism, poverty, income inequality and all of today’s other social ills would, by now, have been eradicated.
        On the other hand………


        • BRISSLES says:

          You’ve gotta laugh. If the younger generation today were the younger generation of 30, 40 or even 50 years ago, their main cause for concern was how high platforms you dare wear without falling off, take the plunge and have a fringe like Dave Hill (Slade), or to be seen in public wearing the stripey tank top that your Gran had knitted. While all the girls spent hours perfecting the Farrah Fawcett hairstyle.
          Oh yes, and there was something we had to vote nationally for, a Yes or No for entering the Common Market. We got that wrong didn’t we.


  13. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Just over a thousand short of a quarter million at 18:14
    Should get to the quarter million before 9


  14. StewGreen says:

    Does this sound like the husband of British diplomatic staff in New York who enjoys diplomatic immunity courtesy of us ?
    \\ Prosecutors said that Mr Amroche argued with his wife over the clothes she had worn out with him that evening.
    They claimed that he slapped her, put her in a headlock and dragged her around their apartment.//
    his diplomatic immunity was rescinded to allow his prosecution.

    Moroccan citizen Youssef Amroche, 37, allegedly beat up his wife, a secretary to Karen Pierce, the British ambassador to the United Nations, at their Manhattan apartment on December 8.

    \\ The Foreign Office disclosed on Tuesday that a foreign diplomat was expelled from London last year after two allegations of rape and one of attempted rape.
    The department’s request for his diplomatic immunity to be lifted was rejected by his country’s government. It refused to disclose the country involved // ..cos the country is so small, that naming it would immediately lead to the identity of the individual.


    • RJ says:

      “It refused to disclose the country involved // ..cos the country is so small, that naming it would immediately lead to the identity of the individual.”

      Sooooo……the BBC can’t blame this one on Russia.


  15. StewGreen says:

    Times : Lord Hall has previously pushed back against a subscription model, warning it would lead to many people paying more. “By everybody paying something, we all get great services for a lot less than if you went down a subscription model route,” he said in 2015.

    The BBC said last night that Mr Bennett-Jones was entitled to his view but it was not shared by the public. A spokeswoman said “200,000 people responded to the government’s consultation on the future of the BBC and only 3 per cent were in favour of subscription”.
    She also pointed to research by Ernst & Young in October showing the BBC was among the 25 per cent most efficient international media companies.
    How much does the BBC pay E&Y in consultation fees each year ?


  16. StewGreen says:

    What happens to Scandinavian girls in Morocco ?


    • LastChanceSaloon says:

      SG – What is the matter with these people?
      Remember the two US cyclists in Tajikistan, ignoring US government advice? Because people are “mostly nice”. Killed.

      If Muslims are killing and raping YOUR citizens in YOUR country, there must be a greater possibility of YOU being raped and murdered in THEIR country. Just do not go there.

      Of course, if these are the chain themselves to planes to prevent deportations types, which I suspect, who cares.


      • G.W.F. says:


        It is what they do, what they have always done. Shame it is no longer taught in history courses.


    • Thatcherrevolutionary says:

      Are we going to war with Morocco now? Just like they wanted us to do when Kashoggi was killed by the Saudis ?


  17. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC Online News:

    “”MP Convicted of Speeding Driver Lie””

    “”Fiona Onasanya: Peterborough MP guilty in speeding case””


    These two BBC headlines dilute the severity of the offence for which she has been convicted to being just a traffic matter.

    She was convicted at the Old Bailey for attempting to Pervert the Course of Justice. This is a very serious offence and imprisonment is mandatory. She denied it, but the evidence was overwhelming.

    Being a Labour MP, both black and female, this was a difficult box for the BBC to un-tick.


  18. Guest Who says:

    So, here is the BBC quoting one of their mates giving one of their own an award.

    Impressively, comments look to be going well for the BBC, FT and the chap with a lot of money to invest in online support if tipped off in advance.


  19. Expat John says:

    Great, now let’s push on…


  20. Dystopian says:

    Quarter of a million reached!

    Leave the EU without a deal in March 2019.

    We are wasting Billions of pounds of taxpayers money trying to negotiate in a short space of time. Leaving the EU in March 2019 will allow the UK good time to negotiate more efficiently. The EU will be more eager to accept a deal on our terms having lost a major partner.

    More detailsSign this petition
    250,001 signatures

    John beat me to it by seconds!


  21. RJ says:

    Deleted. two others beat me to the good news.

    My constituency has made it to over 500, but Lincolnshire has done us proud with most constituencies at 600+ and some at 700+


    • Dystopian says:

      Sorry RJ I’ve been hovering over it like a saddo waiting for the big 250!

      Looks like Scotland is becoming a darker shade of orange also.


  22. LastChanceSaloon says:



  23. Doughboy says:

    just passed 250K


    • Fedup2 says:

      For sad people like me – the interactive map of the petition vote is a bit of a revelation – the leader of the SNP in the UK Parliament has 68 thousand constituents . Less than half a London MP has – yet passes more wind out of his mouth than anyone else because Bercow likes the SNP.


      • Navets says:

        If the said MP’s orifices were to have a wind contest, which orifice would win and would it be reported by the BBC as a source of greenhouse gas?


        • Fedup2 says:

          Ian Blackford – the SNP MP is the clear windbag winner – the new Alex Salmond – but without the sex offence allegations so far .

          He said he is spending Christmas in Skye – I’m surprised he didn’t add that he d be spending his time putting more curses on the English .


  24. Dystopian says:

    This is the other one.
    Suggests the bBBC are lying to us. No surprises there;

    Avoid no deal Brexit

    182 signatures

    Looks like the other 18 traitors in parliament haven’t got around to signing it yet!


  25. Dystopian says:

    The next big mis-selling scandal;
    “Were you ever told you would leave the single market? Were you told you would leave the customs union and the jurisdiction of the ECJ?
    The government has set aside £39 billion for mis-sold Brexit deals…..”


  26. Dystopian says:

    Or how about mis-sold tv licenses on the basis of the BBC being impartial, unbiased and honest….


  27. Dystopian says:

    Does anyonehave any recent Tommy R news?
    The “Tommyrobison.online” website comes back as server cannot be found or similar.
    Have the establishment censors closed him down?


  28. Guest Who says:



  29. Lucy Pevensey says:


  30. BRISSLES says:

    Nearly every interview I’ve watched in the past couple of days where migration has been discussed, has shown that its ALWAYS those who are descendants of other cultures and recent migrants, who maintain that migration is a good ‘thing’ for this country, and how ‘we’ as a nation, have benefitted from it. Well, they would wouldn’t they, as they are the only ones who have gained the most.

    I’ve given this a lot of thought, and having reached 70, wondered how migration has ‘benefitted’ me throughout my life. Only on one occasion that I can recall. The Consultant Surgeon who performed the new hip operation was an Arab (and he avoided shaking my hand, but it was ok to carve up my body ! odd that). Apart from that, during my schooling and formative years, my teachers were all white and of this country, all of my employers throughout my working life, again were white British, every GP has been the same (a rarity I know). Repair/maintenance men, postmen, again no differing cultures, so I’ve clearly managed to manoeuvre my way through life without the help of migrants. I wonder if I should go on a panel show to challenge the likes of Yasmin and Afua !!!


    • Kaiser says:

      ask me how my life has been enhanced and enriched by immigrants and their descendants, my family knows what white flight is all about and the ensuring costs of ending up in culturally enriched areas. If only I could move where it couldn’t follow me.

      EU immigration hasn’t adversely affected me , but has affected my friends (polish plumbers natch)

      perhaps I could do a long thread header


    • taffman says:

      Successive penny-pinching governments have thought it economic to recruit ready trained surgeons from abroad instead of training their own citizens.
      Successive penny-pinching governments have turned a blind eye to mass immigration to maintain low wages.
      The Tory Party is no more .


  31. taffman says:

    I see from Al Beeb that Amber Rudd wants to shoehorn in a second referendum ………….”referendum ‘plausible’ if MPs can’t decide”


  32. StewGreen says:

    I can’t believe Farage dismissed a TR march saing it would be full of skinheads ..too much time around the metrolibs


  33. StewGreen says:

    Jayda Fransen news , police wait until she gets on a plane and then order her off ..

    alternate tweet


    • StewGreen says:

      Something weird like her bail conditions say she can be out of prison, but has to spend every night in a hotel
      .. so she being an unreasonable condition she just stayed in houses instead
      full explanation
      her previous vid said she kinda expected to be arrested ..and would see people after she gets out again.


      • Eddy Booth says:

        i hate what this country has become.
        Taken away by the blackshirts…


      • StewGreen says:

        typo there “it” not “she”
        I meant.. so it (the condition that she stay in a hotel) being an unreasonable condition she just stayed in houses instead.

        She couldn’t be expected to pay hotel costs for 9 months when she already owns a house.


    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      Dear God this could be anyone of us who hold the “wrong” kind of political views.


    • StewGreen says:

      Coincidence that Gatwick was then closed a few hours later
      Explanation “it was drones”
      .. multiple possible scenarios
      – Cops are covering up a real terrorist threat
      – Or the cops that were supposed to preventing drones got redeployed to arresting Jayda
      – Or its a stupid revenge thing from a Jayda supporter
      .. I dunno


    • G.W.F. says:

      This harassment, as with TR, is authorised from above. We have a moslem Home Secretary responsible for this


  34. Guest Who says:

    This is true quality comedy. Savour every line from all the characters.


    I especially like Hugh Sykes going the ‘But I have won awards’ route.


  35. Guest Who says:

    Then, just for giggles, there is this classic of bbc Vox Pop filtering starring John Sweeney.


    I wonder if all the lads and lasses from the other thread will be ‘liking’ or RTing his every thought on twitter as John does the entire BBC output?


  36. Fedup2 says:

    Toady watch
    President Trump pulls his remaining troops out of IRaq. So the BBC get an ex ambassador ( Democrat) to slag mr trump off using our Justin as a cheer leader . Nothing new really but does it ever stop.

    I remember tha during the US election campaign Mr Trump said that America would stop playing ‘world policeman’ . So when he carries out his promise the BBC rubbishes him.


    • Kaiser says:

      apparently it makes it likely the turks will attack the kurds taking the fight away from what the so called BBC say is the “So called Islamic State”

      The so called BBC’s analysis … Trump is terrible , they seem to have no view on our fellow NATO members and prospective EU members the Turks


      • LastChanceSaloon says:

        “and prospective EU members the Turks”
        Which is why we left.
        Some creative cartography is required. Rename Turkey, Greece.
        Then expel Muslims to the home of their ancestors in Central Asia.


    • Thatcherrevolutionary says:

      Oh no ! Does that mean that Assad is about to gas his own people shortly?


    • StewGreen says:

      Iraq ?
      AFAIK the 2,000 troops are being pulled out of Syria


  37. AsISeeIt says:

    BBC tv news headlines the disruption at Gatwick airport this morning lamenting the inconvenience to passengers. Apparently drones were spotted near the runway.

    The BBC report’s concern for the public is ironic since just days ago the Victoria Derbyshire show lionised a small group of protesters who had illegally disrupted Stanstead airport flights because they wanted to prevent a deportation flight carrying failed asylum seekers from taking off.


    • Fedup2 says:


      One can but wonder if there was an attempt to stop. More foreign criminals being deported . I don’t think we’d ever find out in case it becomes a standard technique .

      Need to intercept the drone control signal


    • The Sage says:



  38. Nibor says:

    “Swallow it whole and swallow it now ”

    That I believe was the advice given by a senior civil servant to Heath when joining the Common Market .

    Well we’re leaving now so we must swallow it whole and swallow it now , get over the temporary problems and make Britian great again .


  39. AsISeeIt says:

    Should families argue about Brexit over Christmas dinner, asks BBC Breakfast?

    There’s a classic bit of BBC guest selection as a rather tubby northern & rather effeminate young man invited onto the hallowed red sofa explains that although all his family – both older and some younger members – are Leavers, he of course as the BBC guest is a Remainer.

    There’s a further moment of comedy gold as the suggestion is made that Naga might act as the ‘neutral’ mediator.


  40. Guest Who says:

    It so sad as they tear each other apart.

    So sad. So very sad.


    • Kaiser says:

      Corbyn tells the truth for once in his life, most of the country agree with him, and then he goes and denies it.

      Silly fellow doesnt seem to know when to just fess up and make the most of the applause


  41. Deborah says:

    I woke up early this morning and switched on Toady (to be honest it can often send me back to sleep) but I heard Robinson talking with Norman Smith about what Corbyn did or didn’t say yesterday in Parliament. On the one hand when Rene in Allo Allo calls his wife ‘You stupid woman’, I just laugh. And probably if Corbyn called me that I would laugh too as when someone so low in my esteem mumbles something like that I really could not get upset.
    But it was the way that it was handled. Smith was saying it was all a fuss created by the whips and one he saw was smiling in the lobby and had put a thumbs up to someone else (could that have been about something else altogether?) Robinson finished the discussion with something like, ‘Corbyn didn’t say it’. But of course the big thing is that it is obvious that Corbyn did say it and was happy to come back and lie about it. There is also the angle that The Speaker was again taking Labour’s side.
    I was also waiting to hear details of a female MP found guilty of peverting the course of justice. No, nothing.

    By time the Robinson Smith exchange was over, I was wide awake, and got up to do some ironing without a radio on.


    • thirdoption says:

      Spot on Deborah,

      What a sad reflection on the state of our MSM.

      A female, Labour party MP who is also black and a solicitor, is found guilty of committing serious crimes and repeatedly lying to try and cover it. She will almost certainly be going to prison and almost certainly be struck off from the legal register but not one of the mainstream newspapers has the story on their front page.

      Corbyn makes an accurate, harmless comment about May, which happens to be mildly offensive to a few radical women and it makes the front page of all the papers.

      Truly pathetic.


    • Lefty Wright says:

      I have always assumed that quite a lot of Mr Corbyn’s supporters are also strong supporters of political correctness. Hopefully this non-incident will start some of them thinking seriously about the implications of their beliefs regarding free speech.
      I may not agree with what the man is alleged to have said but I do support his right to say it. It’s all so damned petty.


  42. Fedup2 says:

    Toady watch 2

    Was there any mention that an MP was convicted of perverting the course of justice yesterday ?

    I didn’t hear anything . Perhaps this will be treated as the normal conduct of politicians now .

    Wonder if the lady in question will get time when sentenced . It’s a very serious crime.


  43. Tabs says:

    Struggling with universal credit in Hartlepool

    A 3m14s video about people struggling on benefits. Not one dark skinned person to be seen anywhere. Strange because the BBC always force multiculturalism on us in their articles but not when showing people on benefits.


    • Deborah says:

      I saw most of this ‘struggling on benefits’ last night on the news. I realise that it is awful and these people must be without hope. But why do I always feel we are not being told the whole story? Why is a woman with a NE accent in Hartlepool without family and friends? Where are they? She has a partner and a knife fork and spoon. She has a roof over her head. What benefits is she receiving? What has she done with the housing portion of her benefits and what is left over? The way she was dressed and the duvets in the sitting room suggest not a lot is being spent on heating. Why has she a lot of toiletries but no food? The lady who has lost her husband still has money to colour her hair, and more makeup to wear than she wore at her wedding. What is her disability? Was she left with debts after her husband’s death. She must have known immediately after her husband’s death that she had no money because she said the following week she was at the Job Centre 7 times.
      Yes it is obvious that the people highlighted were in a dreadful place in their life, but no explanation from the BBC why that is, or why Universal Credit is to blame.


  44. The Sage says:

    Interested to see this morning how the BBC was treating the disgraced Peterborough MP and it’s nowhere to be seen unless, of course, you are an avid reader of our national broadcaster’s Cambridgeshire coverage.
    I think we also need to know if she was paying tax on income from her Russian lodger/points taker and whether she had informed the DVLA about her apparent disability. I look forward to someone taking the time to follow up on these.


  45. Dystopian says:

    Not the bbc in this case but similar hypocrisy…

    All this faux outrage about someone calling a stupid woman a stupid woman. JHB discussing on Talk Radio this morning.

    Then goes on to interview some lefty professor about Trump/North Korea who goes on to say that America is being run by an idiot!
    Talk about double standards.


    • thirdoption says:

      And I take it Clive Myrie, the BBC newsreader, will be sacked for calling Tyson Fury a dickhead, or does he get a free pass because he’s black and works for the state propaganda machine?


  46. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    I don’t think a general election would solve anything.

    The last ge had both labour and Tory assuring us they would leave in their manifesto promises.
    Both of them are lying and will not leave.
    If a new ge was going to happen we can not believe anything in either manifesto (I don’t know the plural, is it manifestos?) because both parties have blatantly lied to us.
    If the Tory’s won do you believe they would do anything different.
    If labour won do you think we would leave?
    Both would say they will leave and both would either deliver brino or remain if elected.

    A third party (UKIP?) could deliver Brexit as we voted for but the voting system we have denies us this choice.
    PR could deliver it. Look at the influence the DUP are having.

    Anyway, a ge is not the answer (yet)
    More referendums (until the eu get a result they allow) is not the answer.

    As time goes on, it’s looking like the government may end up leaving on wto rules which is what the 17.4 million voted for.
    Democracy by mistake.