345 Responses to Weekend Open Thread 15 December 2018

  1. Emmanuel Goldstein says:


    Leave with no deal petition.
    60,333 currently. Fri. 14. 19:43



  2. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC1 TV News. 19.43

    BBC female interviewing three newspaper reporters from Dublin, Poland and France.

    The French and Irish reporters were very anti-Brexit, but this wasn’t challenged. They had a monologue soap-box.

    The BBC confused Poland with the Czech Republic in their titles.

    At the end, the BBC interviewer says to all three regarding the mix up:

    “It’s all part of Europe isn’t it? How marvellous!”

    More pro-Europe and anti-Brexit bias from the BBC.


    • LastChanceSaloon says:

      “The French and Irish reporters were very anti-Brexit”
      Of course they were, otherwise they would not be asked to comment.


  3. Up2snuff says:

    Tried to listen to Dead Ringers tonight.

    Had to switch off. The ‘Canned’ or ‘Adjusted’ laughter was done so badly it made for very uncomfortable listening.


    • tarien says:

      Absolutely agree, we get this dammed canned laughter in seemingly all progs and I’m sure in Strictly Come Dancing, it completely ruins one’s viewing-can’t believe that people would actually shout scream out but I suspect there a production member encouraging the shouting and continual clapping at every little action taken by the dancers. During a break in the proceedings a celeb ( if you can call them as such) singer comes on to entertain the audiance, usually I switch off the sound, but the dam audiance as I have witnessed when I did have the sound on, clap the dancers which drowns out the invited performer-rude is one word. Just so American as is everything.


  4. Up2snuff says:

    I have some experience of ‘professional life’ in a firm. Things may be different in the USA but …

    If a client ( such as a DJ Trump) had come to one of the Partners (such as a M Cohen) and asked them to do something illegal, they would be told politely but firmly “No.” and shown to the door which would be held open for them.

    I have an uncomfortable feeling that Cohen is perjuring himself. Would that be for the second or third time?


  5. Fedup2 says:

    Why am I not surprised that Junkers sexual assault on a lady at the ReichEU doesn’t feature much in BBC world ?


    • Guest Who says:

      It’s not like they can be unaware.

      Perhaps their unique editorial integrity simply makes them selectively curious!


      • StewGreen says:

        The metro-liberals covered up for creepy Brendan Cox for a couple of years , and then the pressure got too much
        .. and many must have known about Oxfam field staff


      • Up2snuff says:

        Guest Who, you are on top writing form with this: “Perhaps their unique editorial integrity simply makes them selectively curious!”

        It should form part of a B-BBCers Lexicon.

        (Very minor quibble, should it not have ?-mark at end? Mind you, my proofing of my posts have been at a D- mark in the past week or so.)


        • Fred Stubber says:

          No. Even when the sentence is grammatically a question, a question mark isn’t required if the meaning of it is a statement, as in this case.


      • Guest Who says:

        What’s with BBC Brexit pincer broadcaster SKY?



  6. Celtic_Mist says:

    I hope the respective MPs are watching


  7. The General says:

    May confronted Junker about referring to her as being ‘nebulous’.
    Its a pity she was not so confrontational and forthright with him when supposedly negotiating Brexit.
    Interesting how he folded when she was so direct with him !


    • Oaknash says:

      I dont think she really cares, its mostly panto – the more confusion she creates at home about “Her Brexit – the brexit that people voted for” (except we voted to leave) The more she feels she is discrediting the “Leave” Case and the more it clears the way for the second referendum stitch up.


      • English Lass says:

        But, interesting that she wasn’t angry about not making any progress for her country, she was angry about perceiving that she had been ridiculed. Very telling!


    • tarien says:

      Disagree, think she was right, she’s ben walked over time after time so it is reported by the BBC-in any event the evils of greed and control rise up high on the agenda.


  8. theisland says:

    Starmer still desperate for an EU position.


    • G.W.F. says:

      Why should Labour be in a hurry for a vote of no confidence? They have won the general election whether it is in a year or two or next week. Why not sit back and allow the Tory vote – and party – to evaporate?


  9. Guest Who says:

    It’s always fun when bbc crisis personagement leaps into action ‘explain’ what their bubble brain mates meant.


  10. Zelazek says:

    Don’t know if anyone will agree with me on this, but far too much is being made of this racism and anti-semitism stuff coming from Chelsea fans. Football is one of the last places in the modern world where men can partake of the ritualistic behaviour that since time immemorial strengthened the bonds between them which in turn enabled them to fight off their enemies and build flourishing societies.
    Hurling insults at opposing players and fans is what football is all about. Songs, chants, jeers and gestures are designed and intended to abuse, upset, belittle, humiliate, mock and ridicule. You can’t taunt another team with a politically correct chant. If it doesn’t hurt them, it’s a useless chant.
    My advice to the BBC would be – just ignore this story. In the same way as you ignored the Rotherham Pakistani grooming gangs story. Because really, chaps, it’s even more insignificant than that one was.


    • Swelter says:

      Anything like the Chelsea story is a gift to the likes of the BBC as they can use it as a stick to endlessly berate whitey.


    • Idiotboy says:

      Agree entirely. It has been seized as an opportunity for extreme virtue signalling.


  11. taffman says:

    “Brexit: More assurances for MPs possible says May”
    What !
    Anyone notice that Mrs Chamberlain says she “wants what’s best for the UK and what’s best for the EU?
    Why is Is she concerned about the EU ? Does she know something bad will happen to the EU if we leave ?
    We should have left two years ago.


  12. StewGreen says:

    Remainers narrative “yeh the Brexiteer bridge protesters video shows they blocked an ambulance”
    ..Lammy tweeted that
    Actually Here youtube of them letting the ambulance through minute 12

    and I found a full length video on Facebook , you can here the ambulance siren, the protesters move back
    ..two vans move out of the way and the ambulance goes through
    minute 14:30

    The thing is earlier I waded through hundreds of shouty Remainer tweets saying the amulance had been literally blocked
    ….jeez they do not care about truth


    • LastChanceSaloon says:

      SG – I hope I speak for most on BBBC by thanking you for all your efforts on behalf of the cause.

      Lammy learned to use a keyboard? Hard to believe.


      • StewGreen says:

        @LCS cheers mate, my only cause is the truth
        .. but we live in a world where much news is just PR, telling us that black is white.

        Look out for “2+2=5 thinking” from the lib mob and Remainiacs where they just pick up and run with a narrative cos it seems to confirm their existing agenda
        … many times they are just using the Alinsky/Taqiya techniques and know the actual truth.


        • theisland says:

          Well done Stew.

          There are nasty comments about the ambulance beneath this article:

          When someone bleats about it in the HoC next week it would be useful if someone else could/would point out the facts.

          Remoaners are the biggest liars by a country mile.


          • StewGreen says:

            There is an interesting thing
            There were hundreds of tweets from Remainers asserting the ambulance had been blocked
            ..yet not one fellow remainer even said “hang on the video stops, you don’t see the whole thing ”
            ..Yet if it was the other way around, ie non-libs commenting on a lib crowd, a few would be saying “hang on don’t jump to conclusions” etc.

            Lefty/liberals really are the bad guys these days

            apparently the hashtag is #YellowVestUK
            (2 tweets say that the protests have been D-noticed .. dunno if that is true, could be unreliable info)


    • Guest Who says:

      Here’s Faisal…

      So, lesson learned. Any protest you don’t like send ambulances from all directions and get the media to ‘report’.

      Trouble is, editorial integrity means that some will be, and some will not.


      • StewGreen says:

        BBC you are FakeNews with this headline
        Brexiteers block bridge – but also an ambulance
        The BBC staff often claim .. ‘ah we are often late to the news , but that’s cos of our double fact checking system’
        Really ?? cos as I pointed out on the last thread the BBC Live Brexit blog did rush to cover the bridge story using that headline
        ..and hid behind the “we are only quoting others ” tactic
        Note the page is bylined Chris Lansdown, Lauren Turner and Laurence Peter
        So one of them wrote it
        (@lozpetski He carefully stopped posting his Remain promo tweets a year ago..the others are not visible on Twitter)


      • StewGreen says:

        Faisal makes 3 big claims in his tweet
        “your supporters literally blocking an ambulance ” he says to Leave.EU
        He then quoted their comment
        \\ “They are nothing to do with @LeaveEUOfficial we were reporting on a demo that’s all” says @AndyWigmore //
        #2 Claim well we know they didn’t block the ambulance
        #3 claim “ambulance from Guys and St Thomas’ Hospital on an emergency run.” .. he’s got nothing to substantiate that either


  13. Loobyloo says:

    Not Beeb, but wow, a taste of things to come…sinister:

    Refugees hoping to top Christmas singles chart with festive charity track
    – entitled ‘whatever you believe’

    So, refugees of other faiths making a festive charity song…so hijacking Christmas for their own ends! Imagine if others did that to Ramadan!

    Other notable comments…from Syria, and it was difficult….because the house was too small! Also ‘in the future there will be more and more. We’ll not just be in the U.K., we’ll be in the us and all over the world too’. We??


  14. RGP says:

    “Media Blackout After Trump Launches Urban Council To Invest $100 Billion in Black Communities”

    The story is a bit difficult for me to relay, in a nutshell, (black) urban communities are going to receive a whole lot of monetary aid. One can read it for oneself. The HUD (Housing Urban Development) chairman is Ben Carson, we know who he is, the heart(?) surgeon or is it neuro-surgeon who ran for President. Now, he is in the President’s cabinet.


    • vlad says:

      So a huge initiative to revitalise mostly black run-down inner-city areas is ignored by the world’s finest news broadcaster, who prefer to paint Trump as a racist.
      Again and again the bias lies in what the rotten Corporation don’t report.
      Lies by omission.


  15. Loobyloo says:

    Sky seem to have overtaken Al Beebs role in pushing agendas

    Theresa May returns from tense EU summit to growing talk of second referendum

    Whilst Beeb have no breaking news, just silly stories and days old items (agenda backed of course)..


  16. kaffir Latte says:

    BBC lying about Donald AGAIN. Check their news website, if you can bear it.
    They say that he drew wide criticism for his being the first president to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
    In 1995 the U.S.A. passed a law doing exactly this and that the embassy should be moved by 1999. Each successive president signed a waiver due to security fears.
    Such liars…..


  17. Oaknash says:

    SKY/BBC Even the news from “Global” on classic FM the all sing from the same progressive anti brexit hymn sheet.
    As for Theresa the Great Negotiator.
    The woman who you cant believe a word that she says
    The woman put there by the elite to destroy any chance us of achieving any thing that resembles a clean break.
    The woman who has allowed every step she has taken to be choreographed by Merkel and the elite.
    The woman who seems to relish and be energized by confusion and underachievement.

    I wonder whether we will be treated to an images of her going to church this Christmas. It must be such a boor having to sit there and keep a straight face when the prayers turn to praying for the Nation and good governance, when you know you are a central player to one of the biggest stitch ups visited upon the British people for generations.

    I think unless we get angry, very angry, angrier than we have ever been for generations the contemptible crooks who are pulling all of the strings in this will ensure we get sucked back into orbiting the EU and being dragged down with it as it all turns to chaos.

    We will not be allowed to leave because they cannot afford to let us go financially .

    I think it will take bricks and pitchforks.


  18. Scroblene says:

    The fuel protests back in 2000 were pretty well organised, Oak.

    I well remember walking around Trafalgar Square, and suddenly hearing a cacophany of hoots. Every lorry stopped and the traffic jammed up within seconds! It was all very effective, and funnily enough, peaceful too!

    The general public were well behind the protestors and acknowledged the plight of transport operators and the like!

    I’d not want to be there with a pitchfork though…

    The BBC website has some sort of feeble ‘explanation’ on why Joe Corbyn is dithering about a no confidence vote, which is pretty well par for the course, as like most issues with Brexit, none of their autocue readers have a clue either!

    Best bet is to buy shares in a good brick merchants and also Hi Vis jacket manufacturers!


    • Oaknash says:

      I think that is the thing . In reality it does not take much to bring a country to a complete standstill. However any action should be targeted. The people I would want to hurt are not the ordinary joe public but the crooked metropolitan elite who are doing this to us.


  19. fakenewswatcher says:

    For the most anti-democratic member of cabinet and parliament- Amber Rudd- ‘the rocks of no-deal’ (the only genuine version of Brexit) are looming. So she’ll look to Labour – surprise, surprise for help.
    Cabinet has successfully driven Brexit against a wall. Parliament, which hijacked the first and only real ‘people’s vote’, has managed to tear Brexit apart. Even Farage is talking about a second referendum.
    We know where the likes of the treacherous beeb stand.
    Really, we -the people- have to look across the channel, to France. There we will find that people have realized their ‘representatives’ and ‘government’ are working against, not for them.
    After a life-time of believing in parliamentary democracy, all the way back to the sixties, I have now realised how those occupying positions of power are, with a few noble exceptions, going to live the good life and please themselves, do what they want. And stuff the people.
    Why did parliament ever give the vote to the people in a referendum, if they had no intention of implementing their decision?


    • Oaknash says:

      The Cabinet and Rudd were predictable – but as for Farage both myself and a number of my mates are starting to have a few doubts about him.

      Yes he does deserve some thanks for his efforts to get the referendum (though i think there were lots of other less media hungry, UKIP Brexit heroes who also deserve praise for this)

      But why is he now talking about starting an anti EU party which would split the UKIP vote?.
      And why is he supporting a second referendum which we know will be another EU stitch up?

      Has he sold out to the establishment – all that glitz and glamour or has he been nobbled? Or is it all just about him?


      • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

        Once again Farridge has given the enemedia a chance to quote him supporting a second referendum. What is motivating him? Why is he not condemning ANY notion of a second one? He has actually come as close as he dares to actually demanding one for gods sake.
        He’s been bought. Promised ermine maybe?


      • Jeff says:

        Farage doesn’t want or condone a second referendum. He’s saying that’s what we’re being pushed into.
        It’s difficult to disagree with his appraisal of our predicament. Mother Theresa has boxed us into a corner.
        She’s managed to negotiate an atrocious deal that no one likes.
        There was a fascinating debate last night with both Nigel and the eloquent Jacob taking part. Both are as passionate about Brexit as they ever were.
        It’s available on You tube and well worth a gander.


        • Yasser Dasmibehbi says:

          Farage is a brilliant speaker no doubt about it. But a hopeless political tactician. He should forget about leading a party.


  20. Beeb Brother says:

    Discussing the sporting performance of the year on Five Live they rightly discuss Tyson Fury’s fantastic comeback. Rather than focus on the sport, however, they talk about whether he has ‘changed’ and been properly re-educated regarding some PC heresy he committed years ago. I want to hear about sport – not moral purity. He is from a family of bare knuckle gypsy boxers, ffs: he is not going to have all the right-on opinions about everything. And who cares? He is a fighter not a moral philosopher. I would love some emasculated Beeb employee to go for dinner with some gypsy warriors and see how well their opinions go down. Whatever happened to tolerance? You are simply never going to get everyone onboard with every bit of leftist dogma – much of which becomes more and more absurd and is very difficult to swallow for certain groups.

    I turned over in disgust. Even sport is being taken over by the SJW virus. All this rainbow laces and corner flags: this might have been needed forty years ago but now it suggests there is a problem that needs to be solved when there is not, thus having the opposite effect as intended.

    Just leave us alone and stop telling us how to think. The overwhelming majority of people are decent. We do not need constant ‘re-education’ for flippant comments or having a sense of humour.


  21. Fedup2 says:

    Toady Watch

    Remember when President Macron was the New Saint Tony Blair ? Why we can’t have him? Isn’t he great? – which was the bbc script at the time ? Well a very early piece describing how the French really see him and his type as disconnected and in need of ridding ironically – by a referendum.

    The nebulous Juncker sex assault is not mentioned – nor is the arrest of a ‘man’ in Newcastle for terrorist offences – which is on the website .

    As we know when the BBC reports that a ‘man’ has been arrested/charged with terrorism we know that they really mean – a Muslim . So to find something newer the truth you need to search about a bit . Turns out the ‘man’ is an Iraqi illegal immigrant cum ‘migrant’ plotting to attack a Christmas market .

    Al beeb much happier with some this kidult teaching his dog to do ‘seig heil’ nonsense on twitter face .

    Lastly – our justin does an interview with the president of some Pacific islands about yet another climate change nonsense treaty . Our Justin throws in a question referring to ‘Donald trump ‘ trying to get a bit to easy criticism. The interviewee responds by saying ‘President trump…’’’ and other world leaders have a role to play – so Justin fails. They just can’t not do it and not recognised mr trump as the President of the USA .

    And lastly lastly – obama Care has been ruled unconstitutional and is off to the Supreme Court – so the Nobel prize winner s one achievement is likely to be flushed away …


  22. fakenewswatcher says:

    Nick Robinson says pressure is now on to find a plan B. And Nick Robinson is an honourable man, as might have been said in ‘Julius Ceasar’.
    Whatever it is, it won’t be plan A, for that was Brexit.
    Oh dear can a parliamentary majority be found for anything at all? Jeremy Hunt is back on R4 , pleading for the May version of a ‘deal’.
    Should have implemented the people’s decision in the first place, shouldn’t you Jeremy?
    Never mind, Jeremy says the EU wants to ‘help us’.
    That really tells you all you need to know.


    • Oaknash says:

      No accident that Hunt rhymes with cnut

      Feel free to delete FE2 – I feel better now!


  23. Celtic_Mist says:

    Maybe I’m too sensitive but…

    On the BBC News front page: “Rudd urges MPs to ‘forge a consensus'”, and below it, “Kuenssberg – an Issue of Trust”. Imho, the reporter’s name shouldn’t be on the headline because It elevates their status, in the minds of the dictatorial #BiasedBBC, to beyond that of simply an opinion?



  24. Guest Who says:

    It’s ok… the bbc is going to sort out the problem ‘we’ created. Apparently.


  25. AsISeeIt says:

    “Treacherous for many”

    No, that’s not the BBC’s summary of public opinion on Theresa May

    Increasingly the BBC’s news reporting tends to be rather keen on the PM & her Brexit Plan that keeps us under Brussel’s thumb. Funny that.

    No, it’s the weather that is supposed to be treacherous for many. Seems to me it’s just the onset of winter but for BBC meteotainment presenters who insist we have to stay tuned to their reports it’s something akin to the War of the Worlds. Helen Willets tells us “we don’t get many days like this in the UK” – funny she doesn’t say that when we get a heatwave.


  26. AsISeeIt says:

    Our Naga Munchetty has noticed a funny little story in the papers which she wants to share with us. Apparently a pet parrot from Northern Ireland has been trained to swear at the tv whenever it sees an image of Donald Trump. Oh Naga, what a great joke, how we laughed!

    Count Dankula and his dog, anyone?


    • Guest Who says:

      Like The Strictly Blimp, how do these witnesses arrive on screen? Do they send in to the BBC filter which is configured to pounce on pro-Strictly or anti-Trump, or do bbc detector vans drive round sink estates broadcasting calls to submit over loudspeakers?


  27. Guest Who says:

    After a few weeks the bbc will take him down to the bunker and make his family pay for the bullet. Parliament has their back.


    • Guest Who says:

      Over at ITTB:

      Anonymous15 December 2018 at 00:42
      Has anyone noticed the row between Lineker and other sportsmen / presenters about expressing views about leaving the EU? Now it seems he is getting other BBC presenters’ backs up as it seems he can do what he pleases without sanction while others are ticked off by the bosses if they say a wrong thing. BBC says he’s not in breach of the rules. We know the BBC is always right, so there.



    • StewGreen says:

      BTW the Labour MP is also wrong
      cos actually \\ Aggers is clear he voted remain. //
      He’s not a Brexiteer


  28. Guest Who says:

    The Newsnight alumni wall is clearly a source of pride…

    Mason, O’Brien….


    • StewGreen says:

      Have you ever heard the BBC ever trail & promote a pro-Brexit event in its news ?
      BBC Radio Lincolnshire news at 8am, 8:30am and 9am all included an item , (in fact every half hour since 6:30am)

      “The Campaign for a second vote will be setting up a stall on Lincoln high street between X street and Y street today 12 to 3pm
      The event will be putting the case for a People’s Vote on a final deal”

      (by 9am they had tagged it onto the end of a report about Tony Blair)
      Ah I spot that they had Richard from ThePeoplesVote on from 7.10 to 7.16
      “@lincolnshire4eu our Richard doing a brilliant job! ” stream link
      Yes a 6 minute piece from Richard Hall
      “Haven’t we had enough ?” said the presenter jovially.
      blah blah
      ..”On Wednesday evening the People’s Vote battle bus will also be coming to the Brayford Pool”
      The BBC presenter ended by saying he will on the High Street today speaking to people at the stall.


  29. Guest Who says:

    See. All explained. Easy to see why EU troops would follow him into…. well… maybe a bar in Brussels.


  30. theisland says:


    The natural question to put to Blair is, if you would accept the result of the second referendum, why not accept the result of the first? And his only answer is, we did not know in 2016 what we know now. But what we “know” has been created by the EU in the hope that we will be driven by it into another referendum. The “facts” are actually artefacts. Ask yourself what would have happened if Blair and people like him had said on the morning of 24th June 2016 “I for one will get behind Brexit and do everything I can to make a success of a new future”. What would the EU have done? Would it still have made the process of leaving so impossible, if it had believed the referendum result was irreversible “for a generation”? And if it had not done so, what we “know” now would have been quite different.


  31. theisland says:

    Switzerland guarantees trade relationship in case of No Deal.


    The likes of loopy liars Lammy and Lucas would say this is impossible.


  32. fakenewswatcher says:

    All of this hassle could easily have been avoided, if -in 2016- the executive had simply announced acceptance of the people’s decision, and sent in teams to deal with the practical consequences.
    But then parliament wanted back what it had given, since it didn’t like the outcome.
    And the Remainer PM, telling us Brexit meant Brexit– a wonderful deception which meant nothing, proceeded on a charade that continues to this day.
    Why couldn’t they all have been honest enough to tell the people that they spat on their decision?
    No courage. No integrity.


  33. Tabs says:

    BBC Breakfast just had a pointless 10 minute interview with a Strictly Come Dancing “Super fan”.

    The Super fan (who has never ever danced herself judging by her beer gut) came across as mentally ill and obsessive in what be the most pointless interview ever conducted by the BBC to date.


  34. Beltane says:

    From the amount of camera coverage net-ball captain Amber Rudd is getting do you think the BBC is trying to steer public opinion?
    Changing Maybe to Rudderless doesn’t seem much of an improvement, but as long as the successor is from their approved list, who gives a toss for democracy – as Gary would have put it.


  35. Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

    Sofa jockeys run item on Japan, which it seems is damned to an agonising apocalypse because its population is ageing and approaching 90’s on a massive scale.
    Dementia is rocketing, but WHO, WHO, will do the caring.
    Who can help them….
    Cue tumbleweed as wayne and Waynetta are left to work out the obvious solution for themselves.
    ( those nice young somali men perhaps?) insert any third world savage nationality.
    Al beeb really are so stupid.


  36. StewGreen says:

    Remoaner/SorosVote bus schedule


  37. Englands Dreaming says:

    Amber Dudd the labour conservative says

    Brexit: Amber Rudd urges MPs to ‘forge a consensus’

    Hopefully the good folk of Hasting’s will also forge a consensus and give her good drubbing at the next election.

    Meanwhile I urge readers to sign
    Leave the EU without a deal in March 2019.

    This is the best option for the UK long-term and also the one most likely re-unite the country


  38. Jeff says:

    Whether our present hopeless PM goes on to be judged by history as Theresa the Appeaser or Theresa the Nebulous is debatable. However, her feebleness does make me think of one of England’s most derided Anglo Saxon monarchs, Ethelred the Unready. This is the bloke who was so pathetic and ill prepared he would rather pay Dane geld than fight for our his nation’s liberty. We all know how that ended. And we’re being squeezed for £39 billion!
    If I remember rightly the poor sap was eventually put out of his misery and usurped by King Cnut.
    Another perfect parallel.
    That’s one thing we’re certainly not short of today.
    When old weak and wobbly finally goes…
    There’s plenty of Cnuts to choose from.


    • Up2snuff says:

      Who will be our new Patron Saint of Rock Climbers?

      We need a modern-day St Alphege.

      (I’ll get me coat on my way out and go down the mountain. Where did I put those skis?)


    • Zelazek says:

      Jeff – I read bBBC not just for information and analysis that the BBC does not provide but for the high quality entertainment and wit provided by posts like yours. Splendid stuff, sir.


    • RJ says:

      “make me think of one of England’s most derided Anglo Saxon monarchs, Ethelred the Unready.”

      He died in April 1016, with Cnut’s significant victory at Ashingdon coming in October 1016. However, Ethelred wasn’t in the same class as May. In November 1002 he had ordered the massacre of all Danes in Saxon territory – the St Brice’s Day Massacre. The English did put up a fight.


  39. fakenewswatcher says:

    Petition: Currently about 73 thousand and counting.
    Amber Rudd = Ambitious. Unscrupulous. Dangerous.
    Watch closely.


    • Burgsey says:

      …and currently Traitor Chamberlains sounding board to the wider World, but agree with your sentiments. She is already putting herself in the running!


  40. StewGreen says:

    Is this Supergran, doing a deconstruction of the reporting of last weeks BrexitBretrayal march and Owen Jones etc. ?


  41. tarien says:

    Maybe somewhat outside the issues being addressed here, but nevertheless sums up the situation we and Parliament are facing now and in the future. These words were taken from an essay by Unlock Democracy-is only a part of the full essay.
    When the Comprehensive Economic Trade Agreement (CETA) between the EU and Canada was ratified, for example, the UK parliament wasn’t even allowed to debate the deal, let alone vote on it. The Secretary of State for International Trade Liam Fox didn’t give MPs any say on the deal, and he didn’t have to. Fox was hauled in front of the European Scrutiny Committee after the fact and grilled about his decision to not give MPs any opportunity to debate the deal, but at the end of the day, parliament was powerless to do anything about this. The withdrawal deal on the table has caused division, not consensus, and acrimony, rather than resolution. There are few champions of the deal, and even the Prime Minister herself can only at this stage muster pleas for acceptance rather than enthusiastic endorsements.
    Parliament has been handed a fait accompli by the government. The decision before MPs is not a ‘meaningful vote’, it is a false dichotomy – a Hobson’s choice. Neither the public nor Parliament have been meaningfully involved in shaping the deal that will define our country’s future for decades to come. Parliament has influenced neither the form of negotiations nor the substance of the deal, so the only option MPs have now is to rubber stamp what the government is presenting – or else. For every deal struck in the future, parliament will have to fight these same battles, and the only way to win the war is for the UK to have a democratic overhaul.


  42. Fedup2 says:

    I’ve been trying to find out an objective assessment of what a free brexit will mean but am hampered by the bias. Naturally the BBC does its funders a great disservice .

    Examples – we will be subject to the exterior tariffs of the ReichEU . What are they? What will replace products with ?

    The ‘bigger picture ‘is easier – we give £13 billion a year to the Reich EU of which it returns £3 billion to pay the farm industry to make a lot of cash .

    If anyone has an objective source I’d be grateful .


  43. Fedup2 says:

    There is an extract of a quote by , of all people , George Galloway, rightfully pillorying the vermin running the ReichEU for treating the PM ofvthe country which liberated them less than a life time ago with such disrespect .

    It’s one of the big differences between THEM and us . They want to forget their past and it’s shame . We won’t forget the cost our people paid to free them .

    Operation Manna at the end of the war might help their memories .


    • Eddy Booth says:

      The PM is clearly one of ReichEU – happy to play whatever role they require
      It’s the people of the UK that are getting disrespected.


  44. theisland says:



    • G says:

      Maitless was in the process on demonising J.R-M last week. He, as placid as ever. Sometimes Mr J.R-M you need to take the gloves off particularly when dealing with a cowboy outfit like our unprincipled State Broadcaster, the BBC.


  45. Guest Who says:

    Only a water cannon could administer a colonic powerful enough for where the bbc is embedded.


  46. Non Snowflake says:

    I hope the bBBC are watching the Man City v Everton game at the moment. Their new favourite victim Raheem Sterling isn’t playing, but a portion of the crowd were heard to chant “you fat [email protected]” towards someone during the 1st half.

    Please BBC make this front-page news as we cannot have this sort of Un-PC chanting at soccerball matches. In fact if any fans rustle a sweet packet or dare to answer their mobiles during the game then they should be ejected and banned for life.

    These players are only earning £200,000 per week. It is simply unfair that they are subjected to people shouting at them. It’s bad enough that they have to play when it’s raining. Hair gel isn’t cheap you know.


    • Fedup2 says:


      I was once a regular footy type . Supporters display a special series of emotions at games. Abuse of all types is part of the game – physical appearance , off the field antics – you name it .

      And it’s not as brutal as it was . I went to a “friendly ‘ once and I swear to god someone threw a petrol bomb . In the 80s – never made the papers .

      The BBC has its own agenda about footy and is using the banana / racials against players for its own purpose .


  47. Guest Who says:

    Seems Mishal will not be going where the rockets land. It is hard to predict.


  48. Up2snuff says:

    Did I detect a ‘BBC stacked audience’ for Any Questions as I listened to today’s repeat?

    The applause rather gave it away together with some boos when next week’s Panel was announced.


    • Jeff says:

      “Stacked audience”. Blimey, their audiences couldn’t be any more partisan if they were filled by Momentum. They’re always atrocious.
      Any group that can boo the announcement that the extraordinarily polite and urbane Jacob Rees Mogg is taking part next week, isn’t so much an audience, they’re more of a mob.
      This audience “rigging” has been going on for years.
      Prior to the referendum, had you watched Question time, or listened to the equally ghastly, Any Questions, you’d have thought that Remain were going to win by a landslide. They didn’t. They lost.
      And they still haven’t got over it.


      • Up2snuff says:

        Jeff, I am increasingly thankful that the Snuffy household has gone without TV for nearly 14 years. I look at the front pages of the national newspapers most days and I am increasingly lost in wonder at the dross that is pushed at the public in the 21st century.

        I remember, as a kid, adults saying “TV: too much will rot your brains!.” but that was good quality compared to what today’s children and young adults have chucked at them.

        Any Answers was quite remarkable today. (Have not bothered listening for some weeks – cannot put up with Anita telling callers “We are running out of time” and “Too many people want to come in on this” but she is doing most of the needless yabbering herself!)

        Today, the BBC had found some youngsters as well as oldies who voted Leave. The majority of the contributors, just, I estimate to have been Leave voters, Remain a minority.

        As dear old Mottie would say “Quite remarkable!”


  49. StewGreen says:

    Times £1m Grenfell stolen
    ..tip of iceberg ?


    • Fedup2 says:

      There will never be an inquiry but it would appear that the local council was so terrified of further criticism over Grenfell that it became common knowledge that they were an easy touch for any third worlder looking for a taxpayers hand out .

      I think a judge raised this in one of sentencing comments which would explain a lot .

      As an aside I like the admission that the London fire brigade never planned for a tower block fire . They must have been watching something else on 9/11 –
      So the cosy control room staff say “ stay put” and die .