600 Responses to Midweek Open Thread 12 December 2018

  1. Up2snuff says:

    Conservative Brexiteer MPs taking heavy flak from the Hard-Remainer MPs in their Party.


    • Jagman84 says:

      Fake Tories. I hope that it backfires spectacularly. Maybe destroying the party was their aim all along. Parties will be superfluous, if we are dragged into a European superstate. They may as well close the Houses of Parliament for good, rather than refurbish it.


  2. gaxvil says:

    There is a glaring disparity between solutions for leave and remain.
    Remainers love Europe and by extension the EU Superstate and while they have numerous countries they could move to in order to live their dream – leavers do not have that luxury of choice – other than that which was expressed in our 2016 referendum.
    Extraordinary that two years on people are still fighting the result of one national referendum and one Presidential election.


    • Up2snuff says:

      gaxvil, I wonder how many Conservative Party MPs have, at the last minute crossed David Cameron off their Christmas card list.

      (Had he had as much guts as the present PM, he would have filed the Article 50 notice on 27 June 2016 and all the pressure would now be on the EU and the Labour Party.)


      • gaxvil says:

        Sadly all too true.
        As we know all the EU had to do is keep saying , ‘No’.


      • Payne by name says:

        I’m sorry what?

        What “guts” has the present PM had? What brave actions has she been carrying out?

        She had a mandate from her people on what they wanted and she has fulfilled NONE of that. How is that even remotely courageous?


  3. Guest Who says:

    The BBC has always had an interest in young people, obviously, but too often beyond the point of reason.



  4. Fedup2 says:

    No bias bbc but I predict May will win the confidence vote but then lose a parliamentary confidence vote ( if called) leading to a general election with labour going for a withdrawal of A50

    And a winter election which labour win with a working majority and Tory voters not bothering any more .

    I might change my mind later though – feeling pessimistic at the moment .


    • G.W.F. says:


      Agree. May will win confidence vote, but very likely go before the election (won by Labour) which will be soon. Sajid Javid will replace her, as he has already been chosen, whatever Tory members may think. Main reason for him is that he fits with changing demography. His kind are in the ascendant position.


    • imaynotalwaysloveyou says:

      I would have thought that a McDonnell/Corbyn win would be a racing certainty. What choice would a grassroots Tory voting brexiter have except to not bother, and subsequently abandon all interest in politics?

      Some will vote UKIP, not enough to make a difference this time though.

      The majority of Tory MPs appear to be remainers and/or semi-socialists content with the gravy-train good life and content to let us be ruled by Germans. We’ll continue to sign-up to any old nation-destroying nonsense (climate change, open borders etc) that these idiots dream up.

      Although many of us could see it coming, the failure to enact our wishes re Brexit is an awful humiliating betrayal. And it will now be topped off by a mad Marxist regime which will no doubt quickly bankrupt the country. The fall-out from that will hopefully see someone with vision leading a coalition (with maybe UKIP at its core) that will take us back to sanity.

      Either that or put the military in charge – assuming not all the top-brass are graduates of the common-purpose finishing school.


      • Jagman84 says:

        They would engineer a Keir Starmer coup within weeks, effectively having Mr T. Blair back in the driving seat. EU state, here we come!


      • Payne by name says:

        That sounds about it doesn’t it. I’d love to get interviewed by the media just to be able to say ‘what is the point in voting in any more elections’.

        If the media don’t want those people to win, they’ll denigrate the voters and process enough to claim that the vote happened because people were ‘hoodwinked’.

        It ain’t just Brexit dying here, that viper and her slimey cohorts are killing democracy.

        And with a Labor govt (which this country now deserves) I feel like the colonel in Platoon calling down napalm on his own position because it’s all over.


  5. StewGreen says:

    JHBs good point
    \\ If Theresa May put just 1% of the huge effort she’s put into clinging to power into delivering a good Brexit, she (and we) wouldn’t be in this mess now. She needs to go. Now.//


  6. Deborah says:

    1pm news on Classic FM (I know it isn’t the BBC but it is where I normally go for respite as I am not unlimited broadband so don’t use the recommended Swiss station).
    Reporting that Mrs May may not be PM after today, Classic FM then has 2 sound bites from people in Jacob Rees Mogg’s constituency. One said that as Jacob was born with a silver spoon in his mouth he wasn’t suitable to be PM (silver spoon definitely used, I may have paraphrased the rest) and the other explaining that Jacob is 389 years of age so might not live until the new year. I don’t think either were a typical Conservative voter in Mr Reece Mogg’s constituency.


  7. StewGreen says:

    Sadiq the “Look over there man”
    London Transport is in trouble and heading for £2.7bn defecit


  8. StewGreen says:

    Newcastle terror raid on Tuesday
    The SAS raided a house in Arthur’s Hill, Newcastle
    a 33-year-old man on suspicion of terrorism offences.

    \\ Neighbours described the man as an Asian man in his 30s, but said they knew little about him //



  9. StewGreen says:

    Times runs a story claiming a group called UKUnity.org did Nazi salutes outside HoC yesterday ..photo
    ..but then backs down saying “a spokesman said that protester was unknown as was probably a plant”
    Their Facebook
    ..”unity” is usually a union/socialist word


  10. StewGreen says:

    37 top account ants fired in the last four years for behaviour including sexual harassment and bullying.

    Next page 2 stories
    – Drugged up banker Zahid Naseem, found in same house as high class escort beaten to death
    – Property Tycoon John Broadhurst murdered his girlfriend in drug fueled S & M rough sex

    BTW Liberal Lord Lester has now resigned from HoL
    before the vote on his suspensio


  11. AsISeeIt says:

    “…this is a distraction from the on-going crisis”

    BBC man Simon McCoy standing outside Westminster gets himself in a muddle as he attempts to extemporise – with, no doubt – BBC producers parroting the corporation narratives in his ear.

    He was trying to say something about “a lot of anger this morning” (ie at the Tories) in other words a message along the lines of the Labour narrative. You know, like when Norman Smith uses his old catchphrase “but Labour say”

    And poor old Simon out in the cold and confused by his producers mixed up this anger thing with the de rigueur BBC Remainer mantra of Brexit equals chaos per se – so he sadly delivers a comedy gold line. Might make it to the office Xmas blooper reel but will be strictly embargoed as not for HIGNFY.

    Simon’s blushes were saved somewhat as we go over to Worcester, a Tory constituency that voted Leave but where our intrepid BBC reporter finds two Remainers to vox pop – ce la vie !


    • gaxvil says:

      “…. the worst crisis in living memory” – says top bbc Brexit correspondent. Gosh! a real pro that man.


  12. StewGreen says:

    Times journo “John Bercow has brought shame on the Speaker’s chair”
    iain martin
    Strangely all the comments are from anti-Brexit people laying into the journo
    Friends of Bercow


  13. Up2snuff says:

    We have the BBC on its web-site ‘interfering’ with a judicial process. ‘Tommy Robinson’, wasn’t he accused of that?


    Aah, but it is not in the UK.

    OK, but isn’t that foreign interference in another country’s democratic, Judicial, process?

    What sauce is good for the goose, is good for the gander, especially at this time of year, BBC.


  14. Guest Who says:

    I do subscribe to this resource, and have to say it does embody ‘Journalism’ these days well, namely copying and pasting press releases as ‘news’. And more on the BBC’s pursuit of the young…


    ‘The six user needs come from BBC research into audience behaviour around the world, which showed the needs vary depending on where you are”

    I would have thought education and information was needed on precisely the same basis anywhere.

    ‘”Interpret the data, take out the key learnings and explain it to the rest”

    I have edited out of context for effect, but this is pretty much BBC SOP.


  15. StewGreen says:

    \\ NSPCC research found that 1 in 20 children who had livestreamed had been asked to take their clothes off.
    Our #WildWestWeb campaign is calling on Government to regulate social networks to keep children safe.
    Times report : only half of groomers were removed using official complaints process, the other half only removed when investigating journalists revealed themselves to Google’s press office

    Abusive videos are often republished on forums or used to blackmail children into carrying out more serious sexual acts with threats to tell their parents.//

    Doh the principal is that Internet bosses are like pub landlords, so they should be policing their pub properly.
    But they try to get away without having enough staff.
    It would help if only over 16s could use YouTube for livestreaming.


  16. gaxvil says:

    Funny stuff :- bbc WS interviewed a couple of businesses who are not at all concerned about a hard Brexit – oo err! Trade will continue because they want us to keep buying their stuff – doh!
    And a German think tank professor saying, the EU must present a more attractive deal to Britain for the mutual good.

    And really ?
    Labour could only win a GE if sensible, decent people failed to vote.


    • Payne by name says:

      But if voters vote for the Tories to keep out the Labour loons, the Conservatives get a free pass for their treacherous deceit.

      It might be irresponsible but scorched earth is the only weapon that us pissed off brexiteers have to play.


  17. Swarm says:

    This was the conclusion we came to after the Grenfell fire was first reported.
    Years ago, my wife and I were on a flight from Karachi to Delhi during Ramadan. The Indian fellow next to me proceeded to get a Primus stove out of his bag, set it up on the floor in the aisle, and began pumping it up and lighting it with a match to prepare his lunch.
    Cabin staff (obviously well used to this) nipped it in the bud!
    When we enquired later, we were told it had something to do with having to prepare food on the floor during Ramadan.


  18. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    I like Nadine Dorries and agree with everything she says so I was very surprised to hear her say on today’s politics live that she would support Rudd as part of a new pm team along with Boris.
    Rudd, a remainer, should be kept well away from any position which gives her a say in any eu decisions.

    Nadine or Scouse McVey could both do a great job if you need any girls but steer clear of Rudd, forever. (Sorry if you get it, I’ll get my coat)


  19. StewGreen says:

    The Times opens an article :
    “Far-right and Islamist terrorist groups have used women as online recruiters because their empathy and soft approach ”
    Yes of course they provide evidence of Islamist groups doing this
    but they provide no evidence of “Far-right” doing that.
    The article is all about Islamists
    ..no open comments allowed.


  20. StewGreen says:

    \\ A report into Oxfam’s handling of sexual misconduct cases will not now be published until the new year after disputes over its highly critical content, The Times has learnt //
    Of course cos they’ve got other priorities like putting out Climate Propaganda reports

    and Wealth Jealousy propaganda with bad maths

    no open comments on article


  21. Jeff says:

    If, as seems likely, Theresa the Appeaser, wins today’s confidence vote, then our EU negotiations are completely knackered. It will be taken as an endorsement of her shameful Brexit betrayal.
    She’s like the captain of The Titanic, stubbornly heading straight for that bloody great (back stop) iceberg.
    If we hit it any hopes for a full Brexit are sunk.
    The Conservative Parliamentary Party are an abject, cowardly shambles.
    Man the lifeboats…


  22. StewGreen says:

    \\ So, the prison imam for HMP Bellmarsh was caught smuggling in £60,000 worth of drugs for the inmates.
    Thanks Mohamed Rawat for making the prison population impossible to control.
    Oh, hang on, YOU control the prison population.
    I forgot that Islam controls the UK prisons.//

    no open comments on article … What for every SJW topic ?


  23. StewGreen says:

    John Simpson’s God complex
    Writing in the British Airways December magazine
    \\ Simpson 74, appears to compare himself to Joseph in the Old Testament as he recounts his treatment at the hands of BBC bosses, including “savage” pay cuts.
    The broadcaster also confirms that he drafted his recent novel to settle scores with BBC enemies during a period when he felt sidelined
    — only to have to rewrite some of it after being assured that he had a future. //


  24. StewGreen says:

    Libby Purves column totally slags the BBC
    : BBC advert is more guilt-trip than wonderland


  25. Mackers says:

    17.4 million people voted to leave but unfortunately only 100 conservative and 10 labour mp’s agree.The future looks bleak.


  26. Mackers says:

    President Trump tweeted that he can’t get 5 billion for border security and the wall but the democrats under Obama gave 150 billion to Iran and got nothing for it.


  27. taffman says:

    Will Mrs Chamberlain sign the BRINO paper then do a runner?
    Mission accomplished?


    • Guest Who says:

      Just one awesome play after another.


  28. G.W.F. says:

    Looks like Treezer will win the vote tonight, but has indicated that she won’t lead her party at the next election. I predict the leader by then will be Savid Javid, peace be upon him.

    From the BBC report. The MPs were crying. See, they have feelings, just like you or I.

    ‘The prime minister was greeted with applause, and the traditional banging of desks, as she went in to the committee room to address her MPs. Some of them were reported to be in tears.’



    • Up2snuff says:

      G.W.F., “Looks like Treezer will win the vote tonight, but has indicated that she won’t lead her party at the next election. I predict the leader by then will be Savid Javid, peace be upon him.”

      How about Owen Paterson?

      He sounds better each time the BBC allow him a microphone.


    • JamesArthur says:

      We are doomed well and truly had it shoved up our posteriors


    • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

      When Treason goes, the Con morons in the HOC will be tripping over each other in their rush to install Javid.
      In a rerun of the kind of emotion that saw white folks installing Bathhouse Barry into office, virtue signalling on a grand scale, our MPs will be seeking to prove just how superior they are to the idiots who elect them.
      They will sleep easy with that warm inner feeling knowing their knuckle dragging racist electorate have been firmly put in his place.

      The only difference betwen uk and USA will be the US folks didnt know they were electing a moslem, and ours will.


  29. Up2snuff says:

    The Pound Sterling has crashed upwards again due to Brexit and the No-Confidence Vote.

    I hate to think what will happen to it if we Leave the EU with No Deal next March.

    The BBC will then have to hunt out and put on air numerous business people and politicians complaining that Sterling is over-valued.


    • Jagman84 says:

      The only thing overvalued in the UK is the BBC.


      • Up2snuff says:

        Jag, LOL! I wonder what will happen to the media Remainers if & when we leave with No Deal or a heavily reBrexited Theresa May Deal and six-twelve months down the line all is OK and ticketty-boo.

        There are going to have to be mass resignations and sackings, I would have thought.


        • Payne by name says:

          I really don’t know where you get your confidence in Theresa and the belief that we will get a no deal from??


  30. StewGreen says:

    #Stansted15 The 15 activists who locked themselves around a deportation charter flight at London’s Stansted Airport, successfully stopping it from taking off, were convicted of a terrorism-related offense
    … sentencing to come
    They will dramaqueen, but we know they’ll get off real lightly.


  31. G.W.F. says:

    Excellent article in the Conservative Woman.
    Only one thing I cannot accept – that Treezer has been so skilful in her plots.
    She is a stupid woman with no political skills and the plotting has been done by those pulling her strings



    • Oaknash says:

      GWF – I dont think she is stupid at all. Her job real was to make a mess of brexit and lets face it, she is doing that extremely well.
      I never trusted her from day one and unfortunately I feel vindicated (but I would rather have been wrong).
      What she does have is little empathy and sensitivity towards others. This has helped her enormously enabling this ghastly quisling to carry out her brexit dismantling job whilst feeling impervious to the anger of others.

      All I can say is thank God she never had any kids. At least her blood line ends with her.


  32. StewGreen says:

    Despite the BBC crowing that the Far-right didn’t win in Sweden.
    The left are so badly damaged that vSweden still doesn’t have a government.


  33. StewGreen says:

    Wow 164 nations did sign the UN Migration pact and 30 important others didn’t.


  34. Dave S says:

    No doubt now that the MSM is in a panic . Suddenly May is the best thing ever and one after another they are wheeling out those who say exactly that.
    Maybe all the plotting by the remainers is about to go to waste.
    But I would not bet on it.


  35. G.W.F. says:

    Whilst the BBC and the politicians are preparing to describe the murderer in Strasbourg as a lone wolf here is a tragic outcome of a drive by Palestinian shooting in Israel.
    The bastard fired into a crowd, causing injuries and managed to get a bullet into a pregnant woman.
    Israeli doctors have struggled for four days to save the baby, but were unsuccessful’
    Imagine what the BBC would say if the victim was of their favourite ideology.



  36. thirdoption says:

    The voting paper in the “no confidence” motion tonight gives two options:-

    1) I have confidence in Theresa May…
    2) I do not have confidence in Theresa May…

    How on earth can anyone have any idea what they are meant to do and how to fill in the form when there is no mention of a hard or soft confidence? Nowhere does it mention the terms or consequences of the vote in two years time.

    The whole thing is meaningless unless we have Barack Obamas opinion and a statement from The Bank of England, the CBI and the Chancellor of the Exchequer.

    Will I still be able to get my medical supplies in two years and will lorries still be arriving in Dover?

    What will happen to the pound and the stock market?

    Will I still be able to go to Nandos?

    Whoever devised the ballot paper questions is an idiot and is obviously deliberately trying to mislead MP’s.


    • Up2snuff says:

      third, my apologies but I have to ask: have you spent ALL day in Weatherspoons?



      • thirdoption says:

        Ha ha

        I’ve seen drunks in Weatherspoons who could make a better job of brexit Up2


        • Up2snuff says:

          third, LOL – you could be right. The PM is now going to have to get a grip on this deal in Brussels.

          Preferably by doing the Churchillian thing: grab the hair of Tusk, Juncker and Barnier and swing arms and hands together.

          Thud. x3.

          Owwwhhhh! x 3.

          “Right, gentlemen, ‘Back stop’ ends when UK says so. OK?”

          “Now about all that money. Should not the UK receive a netting-off of the EU assets that we have paid for? Say, ‘Yes Theresa’. ”

          “Thank you. That may get through the Parliament Final Say vote. I’ll give it a go. Wish me luck, guys.”


  37. G says:

    Anybody? the UK signing the final version of the UN Migration Compact has taken place. All the media broadcast the fact……………..
    It all passed quietly without a squeak or murmur. Lambs to the slaughter.
    No question at all, we are in the midst of a massive war. The war imposed by the Globalists on the Western World aided assiduously by the controled media. We cannot trust any media; we cannot trust any of our cowardly politicians; we cannot trust any body that the politicans control. Welcome to 1984.


    • Kaiser says:

      open borders or welfare state , you cant have both

      The questions are

      how many can squeeze in before the welfare state collapses?
      what then?
      will they leave ? or just take what they need by force?
      what will our poor do?
      where do the “Elite” think they can hide ?


  38. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Half an hour to go until the vote result.

    When you think about it, the tories have a large lump of remainer MPs who voted her in in the first place.
    I fully expect them to vote her in again.
    We know the Tory mps do not represent the Tory party members or the population so we will be stuck with what a couple of hundred MPs want.
    200 versus 17.4 million and they will win.

    I may be wrong but if they vote for her and she wins it can’t be right that these MPs are going against a huge referendum and we are powerless.


    • Jagman84 says:

      Expect to hear of de-selections in the coming days or the ripping up of membership cards. Many grassroots members have refused to campaign for the Tories unless that “Bloody Woman” goes. It’ll be a wipeout at the next GE.


  39. G.W.F. says:

    Treezer deserves to go, if not over Brexit, over her support for Sharia


  40. Dover Sentry says:

    She’s won it. 42 MP votes away from losing.

    Only needed 42 MPs to change their mind and she would have lost.

    Party is now very divided. Good 😉

    Grassroots won’t like this. She has to go.


    • Kaiser says:

      the tories have just lost the next GE though, I hope they enjoy the perks of 2 years of expenses


  41. Dystopian says:

    200 – 117


    • Oaknash says:

      So we are potentially stuck with this thing as PM for potentially another year. At least we now have a good idea how truly rotten the Conservative party ism with at least 200 cowards and traitors willing to sell us off for 12 months more, sitting on a green bench.


  42. Fedup2 says:

    They didn’t know what they were voting for , they’ll all die off , there was dodgy counting, a terrible campaign , questionable funding and they’re all too thick . Time for another vote . And another ……


  43. taffman says:

    Disillusioned voters should vote UKIP.
    The Tory Party is finished .


  44. Kaiser says:

    sterling fell following the news that UK Prime Minister Theresa May won the confidence vote

    lol make your mind up f..ing bbc


  45. Dover Sentry says:

    70% of Tory MPs are committed Remainers.

    But not so the Tory voters.

    Time will tell, and it may be soon.


  46. G.W.F. says:

    So what is Nigel Farage going to do? (real name Yaxley Farage)
    Will he launch his UKIP 2?



  47. Dystopian says:

    I reckon Farage has been bought. This new party is just a ploy to split the UKIP vote.


  48. Lucy Pevensey says:

    Unbelievable 🙁 An enemy of the nation remains in leadership. It goes to show just how deeply entrenched socialism is British politics.


    • Dave S says:

      It is not socialism .It is something far far more deadly. It is the start of the reimposition of a feudal society .
      The first one was bought in at the point of a sword by the Normans and lasted for centuries.
      This will be bought in by stealth. By people with dead eyes and malice in the hearts.
      AT first it will be a quite comfortable feudalism as we have the numbers and are not yet beaten people.
      You can see the start in the growing inequality. Lawyers, doctors ,senior civil servants, politicians and company apparatchniks now earn multiples of the average working man’s wage.
      They think of this as their right.
      They alone can acquire assets and wealth. The rest of us are struggling to own a basic freehold anywhere. Even a car is deemed a luxury by the French elite.
      The yellow jackets in France understand this and are standing up and fighting back. The old politics is dead. Left and right mean little now. This is far more serious. It is about the survival of free men and women .
      Brexit is and always has been about far more than the EU.
      Vive la France !


  49. Lucy Pevensey says:

    BBC Hypocrite!
    “Are you saying you want to continue the fight, that you won’t accept this result?”


    • TrueToo says:

      Lucy Pevensey, Isn’t that something. Neil talking about accepting a result when the BBC has not accepted the result of the referendum back in 2016.

      I think hypocrite is too mild a word for what Neil just did.

      Seems to me that Jacob Rees Mogg is the only one capable of leading Britain out of this mess.


    • Dave S says:

      Trust no one. Until you know what sort of person he is his words mean nothing. Only when you know his measure can you give meaning to his words . ( or her’s of course) .


  50. TrueToo says:

    Wasn’t it soon after Cameron the Remainer came in in 2010 that he promised a Leave/Remain referendum and then stalled and stalled?

    Then he finally set a date for it and then chickened out when the vote went against his hopes instead of manning up and leading the country out of the EU.

    The treachery really began with Cameron and continued with May.
    She chickened out and cancelled the vote on her disastrous “deal,” unwilling to face the extent of its unpopularity.

    And yet the majority of Tory MPs still have confidence in her?

    What a sham, what a disgrace. They have basically guaranteed a Corbyn government.


    • Kaiser says:

      Ca Moron also promised to campaign to leave if he couldnt get concessions from the EUSSR


    • Up2snuff says:

      TT, Cameron wanted it during his 2010 Administration but Clegg would not allow a Referendum for obvious reasons.

      The 2015 GE gave Cameron the majority he needed to push it through. Back then though, no-one really expected Leave to win as Dave pledged to get ‘concessions’ from the EU.

      The PM has hinted strongly that she will stand down at some point before the GE. Am guessing around the time of the 2019 Party Conference, post Modified Deal/No-Deal Brexit.