Start the Week Open Thread 10 December 2018

109 days to Brexit ? 10 ish days of renegotiating , resignations or lies from the government and Far Left BBC . Meanwhile a UN treaty benefitting illegal immigrants is due to be signed on the 11th with a full fanfare from the Biased BBC .

Dont forget to buy your popcorn for the Tuesday vote . They’ll be tears and tantrums

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395 Responses to Start the Week Open Thread 10 December 2018

  1. G says:

    “May off to Munich again, I expect.” That’s via Morroco I guess to put her signature to the final UN Migration Compact document. Look forward to Treason May returning from the round trip claiming we will stop Free Movement from EU (what the people want) but omitting to mention the 258,000,000 million of ‘migrants’ who could, with the help and finance of the UN, decide to move to the UK – henceforth.


  2. john in cheshire says:

    This might be too early because we haven’t yet left the EU but my question is what advice would you give to the next EU member that decides to Leave ( assuming the EU thugs don’t remove Article 50 from the treaty).
    Mine would be: don’t bother with any serious negotiations with the EU and spend the two year mandatory period of Article 50 preparing for a WTO exit. Use the time to anticipate and counter all the dirty tricks that the EU thugs will use against you, identify and neutralise the fifth columnists in the midst and make an example of their ringleaders to clarify the minds of the rest of them. Keep your nerve and wait out the two years.


    • Up2snuff says:

      j-i-c, quite right. You would have thought that that is what we would have done.

      Interestingly, on R4’s TWTW with the odious Mark Mardell down in Portsmouth, someone let slip that Brexit preparations were being frustrated by Civil Servants in the Dept for Transport.

      When we get out (and more so, if we do not) we will need to have a Judicial Inquiry into our Civil Service.


  3. pugnazious says:

    The BBC going full-on with the Raheem Sterling racism allegations….narrative is that British society is to blame….we’re all racist and if we think we’re not we are…its unconscious racism…you know you’re guilty of this if you look in the mirror and see you have white skin.

    Interesting that whatever the lipreaders say about the guy in the glasses there was a black spectator feet from him who said, on the BBC, that he heard no racist abuse. You can see him on the left of the screen wearing a woolly hat in the video above. Naturally Campbell didn’t dwell on that revelation and the inconvenient fellow was sent on his way….Campbell obviously preferring speculative virtue signalling and leaping to judgement to someone who was actually there and says he heard nothing….and his reaction in the video would suggest he heard nothing…no shock, dismay or surprise…not one glance at the shouters…he even seemed to smile slightly in amusement. Odd that the BBC News reports it as ‘alleged racism’ and yet the presenters are talking as if it definitely was racism.

    Already given Sterling’s and the BBC/Guardian/Leftists narrative about the Press coverage of Black players a run down….if you missed it it’s here.

    Needless to say the narrative is pure nonsense, the tag ‘racist’ being applied more because of certain people’s own prejudices and motivations than based upon any actual evidence of such intent on the part of the Press.


  4. StewGreen says:

    Most media run a form of syndicated hit-piece against the TR Brexit Betrayal march
    \\ where props include a NOOSE for Theresa May The EDL founder joined forces with UKIP backers for the demo in London – but Labour and anti-fascist protesters… //

    yep of course it does the name trick
    and reaches to his opponents for quotes.

    Was there a noose ? was it an antifa plant ?


    • Fedup2 says:

      Watching the outgoing PM shambolic display in Parliament Monday afternoon made me think how lucky we were that May screwed up the last election granting the DUP more power than it deserved but which has prevented May from steam rolling the sell out through with a bribed Tory majority .


    • G says:

      Contrasted view of the march yesterday. Worth a watch for balance:


    • theisland says:

      Video posted by G (above) shows gallows/noose at 7:30.


    • john in cheshire says:

      There was someone marching with a gallows and noose, that’s correct. But so what, they weren’t shouting that they want to hang someone; I watched it on RT and saw it as part of the pageantry of peaceful protest.

      It’s not as though the guy holding it had his face covered and was also holding an antifa flag. But the fake news creators will pounce on that and turn it into something wicked, as they always do; don’t you, far-left bbc?

      In 2000 I took family to London and on one of the days, as we left the Imperial War Museum, there happened to be a parade of invaders, hundreds of them, streaming past and chanting such things as Death to America and Death to Israel. And other such pleasantries. I didn’t check at the time but I doubt if the far-left bbc reported on it and, further, condemned the invaders inflammatory words.


  5. StewGreen says:

    Tonight on BBC 1 Yorkshire 10:45pm
    ..The Jews of Leeds be repeated nationally next year on BBC 4

    I wonder if they will mention the anti-Semitism from local ethnic-Muslims etc. ?


    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      Stew, The Guardian has an article today claiming that Britain has the worst record in Europe for antisemitism.

      “Nearly a third of Jews in UK say they are thinking of emigrating out of fears for their safety”


  6. Lucy Pevensey says:

    Macron to address the nation this evening.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Lucy – does that mean that he and his people are already running Britain – with the krauts


      • Lucy Pevensey says:

        Address the nation of France. You KNOW what I mean. 😉


        • Up2snuff says:

          Lucy, it wasn’t so long ago that the BBC were marking down Macron as the ‘next leader of the EU’. Do you remember that meeting he had with Mutti and the speeches (from Macron) afterwards.

          I wonder if the BBC are quite so keen on him now?


        • Fedup2 says:

          Yes yes I do . Forgive me it was just hanging there waiting for an improper interpretation .
          I am currently overseas hours ahead of Blighty so I will see the Outgoing French President before you . ( or maybe …not)


  7. StewGreen says:

    InvertedRacism in Yorkshire theatre-land ?

    Of course there should be an odd play about black issues, but 3 out of 5 !

    The same section opens the TV pages with a page long article
    “Friday 8pm : Feast With Nadiya … TV Pick of The Week”


  8. Doublethinker says:

    I’m not sure if this has already been covered, apologies if so. In the Ztimes yesterday Rod Liddle wrote a fierce denunciation of the BBC using Dr Who as the vehicle to attack the overweening liberal left , we know best , attitude of the corporation. I haven’t watched the programme for several decades but apparently they now send the Time Lords to intervene on Rosa Park’s behalf on her bus in the Deep South and to India during the partition. All completely PC of course and accompanied with the usual preaching to the gullible .
    The response to his article was overwhelmingly supportive with almost no support for the BBC. There were also many posts and comments suggesting and supporting a License Fee strike. It does seem to me that with the now highly likely BRINO there is going to be an awful lot of anger in the country against a Remain and of course the BBC has been the Remain propaganda arm ever since the referendum. This anger can be channeled into. Widespread LF strike and if enough people take part, a million or more, the BBC and the Government would be powerless to stop it. A few months of it should see the overmighty corporation brought to its knees , or to use a favourite Remainer phrase when talking about a Leavers, brought to heel.
    The big question is how do we start a strike and how do we gain momentum and develop it nationwide?


  9. StewGreen says:

    Saturday’s Yorkshire Post dedicated frontpage and 2 broadsheet pages inside to pushing Mrs May’s Brexit plan.
    plus another half page of support from David Blunkett

    Yet the letters pages has 3 long letters from leavers
    .. balanced by two very short ones from Remainers.

    The Business section has a large photo of Gina Miller and large group of women
    .. another women only business award.


    • StewGreen says:

      Likewise the snowflakes at the YP say athat this tweet from a Sheffield Labour councillor should be condemned.


  10. Payne by name says:

    Great example of bias here. Whenever I open my Google interent explorer on my phone, I get a selection of suggested headlines that I might want to peruse.

    They are always from the BBC or The Guardian, two websites that I do not and do not wish to peruse.

    There is a search help button to which I regularly send a message saying ‘stop pushing your agenda’ but it really is a staggeringly clear example of Google pushing their englightened bullshit bias.


    • Scroblene says:

      Payne, I had that problem some time ago, and went on here to ask how to deal with it.

      On some good advice, I fiddled around with settings in all sorts of hidden places, and somehow, it seems to work now, such that I only get a couple of bbc items and hardly ever a Guardian one, which is very gratifying of course!

      But I’m sorry to say that as Google has changed its style and presentation so many times, and now pronounces that “For you,
      Recommended based on your interests”, they must be tracking my site visits more than I thought! The Guardian drivelling site was impossible to eradicate back then, but it seems to have worked now! I get a lot of Daily Mail, which I now largely ignore as it’s a shadow of its former self, The Express and luckily, quite a lot of decent rock music stuff, because Pink Floyd is often a subject of choice!

      It’s worth ferreting around in ‘settings’, and see how you get on.


      • Payne by name says:

        Thanks Scroblene, I’ll give that a guy. It just shows the BS that they push that they could show me that under ‘articles I might find interesting’ when they are at complete odds with my browsing history.


    • StewGreen says:

      yes I mentioned that last week
      You can take a screenshot to record the bias


      • StewGreen says:

        To switch it off just tap on the words at the top “articles for you”
        – Or try to customise it by removing articles you don’t like by swiping left or right on it.
        .. If you look at the very bottom of the page there’s a help button.


  11. Payne by name says:

    It really is such a pathetic childish sham, all this last minute jetting over to the EU to ‘work through final issues’.

    There is no last minute negotiations taking place, it is just pure theatre to convince a naive press desperate to lap this shit up that TM is battling for us.

    What bargaining are you doing when you’ve sold out and granted the other side exactly what they want?

    I wish we had a press that was capable of calling out this ridiculous pantomine. We weren’t ‘lied to’ with the bus advert but we are certainly being led a merry dance with all of this overly dramatic, look at me last minute histrionics.


    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Payne – If her No1 objective is staying in power, then all this sham makes perfect sense. Like one has learned from Ms Merkel.
      “Regardless of what happens ‘out there’, ‘over here’ I am in power. There is no system to get rid of me. Let’s see them try…”
      And for Ms May: “My own crowd don’t have the guts, else they’d have done it when I called an unnecessary General Election, then stuffed it up”.
      Oh yes, and Merkel too, could rely on the press. Always.


      • Payne by name says:

        I agree that it makes sense to do it to let her keep her grubby deceitful fingers in the pie. It’s just annoying that more can’t see it for the blatant showboating that it is.

        And they try to claim that Brexiteers were naive and easily led…


        • fakenewswatcher says:

          Payne- we are all the victims of a monstrous deception:
          1) Once the referendum was held (direct democracy), there was NO way parliament should have been brought back into the picture (representative democracy); the whole point of an exercise in direct democracy is precisely to take it out of the hands of your ‘representatives’! (Cos they’re gonna do exactly what we see them doing now)
          2) The task of the Executive (cabinet) is then to present the outcome of this exercise to the EU and say immediately “Goodbye, we’re leaving, our people have decided”. Teams can then be sent in to deal with the practical details. The minute you start ‘negotiating’ for ‘a deal’, you’ve admitted your sovereignty depends -NOT on the people- but on EU goodwill.
          3) The very LAST thing you do, is to hand your No1 top project you have had since WW2 to someone who is OPPOSED to that very project. You have just sent the EU a message, and they will have loved receiving it. (Wink, wink chaps)
          4) The media will love it too: lots of exciting Brexit twists and turns to keep everyone entertained for years. Journalists like Laura K will be the stars of the show, night in, night out. And people say there’s no such thing as a free lunch!

          Footnote: this lovely farce can be kept going indefinitely: you could have a second referendum, and even call THAT a ‘people’s vote’ (when it is the exact opposite- a people’s nullifying vote). Or a third…The beeb certainly won’t enlighten you…


          • Payne by name says:

            Well said. Great analysis, especially on the direct and representative part. All of what you have said is depressingly true.


  12. Fedup2 says:

    Watching the Parliament channel – quite shocking how many MPs of various types have taken the Soros shilling / reichmark to push for a 4th? Vote on brexit .
    Does seem strange that they assume they’ll win the vote but I suppose the question will be

    “ you do want to stay in the ReichEU don’t you ?”


    • RJ says:

      “Does seem strange that they assume they’ll win the vote ”

      They know that they won’t win the vote, but they’re confident that they’ll “win” the count.


  13. Up2snuff says:

    Poor Evan Davies (BBC R4 – PM – @ 5.40pm approx) is a bear of very small brain, obviously much smaller than that of Snuffy. He claims that A Remainer and A Brexiteer cannot both be right that Theresa May’s EU Deal is a bad deal.

    Of course they can.

    How hard is it to understand?

    A Remainer MP – one who has scant regard for public opinion – does not like the proposed deal because he wishes to remain in the EU and dislikes Referendums.

    A Brexiteer MP – one who respects the public’s decision – does not like the proposed deal because she wishes, like a majority of the UK, to leave the EU and the PM’s deal does not provide for that full departure.


  14. theisland says:


    • Scroblene says:

      £39bn is quite a lot to carry in a briefcase, a rucksack is much easier…


    • Fedup2 says:

      Olly must be getting a lot of disloyalty points on the Eurostar


      • john in cheshire says:

        Didn’t the commie Civil Servant get his retaliation in first, last week, when he put pen to paper and claimed he had told Dancing Terry not to adopt his chequers plan?


  15. Up2snuff says:

    The Pro-Remain BBC desperately spinning the fractional fall in the £:$ rate.

    It was already weakening last week against the Dollar while strengthening against the Yen. The Pound Sterling was down about 1/10th of a cent against the Dollar after the announcement of the postponed vote.

    Tiny fall.


  16. Guest Who says:

    A question is posed at the end. Now I know the BBC prides itself on holding power to account… but then again it also is keen on ‘editorial integrity’ that finds little time or space when the going gets awks.

    I wonder if they have a crew embedded in the bus like they did with Lily’s camp outing? The one to the camp, not when she decided to experiment to sell more books.


  17. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    During the prime minister questioning after cancelling the vote today some remainer mp stated that the majority of people in Sunderland now want a second referendum vote (the losers vote)
    I wonder how this can be true.
    I live here and if anything, more want to leave now and I know of absolutely nobody who wants this second referendum.
    I call the mp a liar.
    (Nothing Earth shattering there I suppose)
    We have 3 MPs, all remainers, representing 62% leave voting Sunderland.
    I voted UKIP.


    • StewGreen says:

      She got 1,300 replies to her tweet
      .. you could check the opinions there


      • Emmanuel Goldstein says:

        Thanks for that stew.
        I clicked on the link at the bottom with the 3356 tweets and the comments against her pronouncement are getting about 5 times as many likes than those supporting her.
        A common tweet is saying the people likely to reply to her (a remainer) question are those who want to stay in.
        People on here should click on and make their minds up.
        I remain convinced that Sunderland is a leave city.

        I suppose it’s like asking people on here if they want to leave or remain. You would get north of 90% to leave. Then an mp could say “in a recent poll 90+% now want to leave”

        The mp concerned is Bridget Phillipson and she is my mp (I didn’t vote for her, I voted UKIP)
        She is unusual though, a pretty remainer.


  18. Up2snuff says:

    Well, well, well! This Saturday evening the BBC on R4 are remembering the 50th Anniversary of the flight of Apollo8.

    Funny, that.

    They completely ignored the D’Oliveira ‘Scandal’.

    They also failed to remember the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia.

    They didn’t do very well on the Student protests in France.

    Their coverage of the Grosvenor Square Anti-Viet Nam War demo was virtually non-existent.

    At least they are finishing the year with a bit of a comeback.


  19. StewGreen says:

    8:30pm Panorama replaced by 📺 Brexit: Decision Time, a @BBCNews special, 2030 BBC One


  20. StewGreen says:

    7:30pm OK I’ll watch the BBC1 walking the River Nidd in Yorkshire
    … Oh OK anyone can be a good presenter
    ..but I see the BBC have chosen a blind, ethnic Pakistani, Amar Latif as presenter.
    Is the whole series going to be “look at me a blind person doing stuff , that sighted people do all the time ?
    Being blind he’s done trailer about a YORKSHIRE walk, where the video shows him on a tropical beach.


    • Anne says:

      “Being blind he’s done trailer about a YORKSHIRE walk, where the video shows him on a tropical beach.”

      The film crew fancied somewhere warmer. “They told me I was in Scarborough!”


  21. Mr Natural says:

    Do listen to this interview of an ordinary Dutch woman explaining why she, a liberal-democrat, voted for Geert Wilders for the first time, and has joined the Yellow-Jacket marchers.

    Radio 4 PM (48:20 – 52:57)

    Though at first hearing some of the questions seemed crass, they gave the interviewee an opportunity to explain that the marchers are not “right wing”, “racist”, “fascist” or any of the other scattershot labels the Guardian-reading classes so lazily apply to those who are concerned about their culture and their nation’s sovereignty.

    It’s astonishing that the BBC allowed this to be broadcast.


  22. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC TV News BBC1 14.00.

    On the hour there’s the usual pompous BBC self-congratulatory intros of reporters posed bravely against some unseen imaginary foe or threat whilst set to equally pompous music.

    This time, I noticed within the intro a BBC reporter on a mobility scooter in a middle-east Muslim refugee camp. She was trying to engage wobbilly with a woman totally dressed in black as they proceeded at walking pace across a bumpy and uneven desert floor. The reporter had full make up and long blond hair.

    I replayed it to ensure that I had not been dreaming.

    What’s next on the BBC PC Agenda list??


  23. quisquose says:

    Did anybody else hear the R4 programme called “New Bonds” earlier? I think the BBC could teach North Korea a thing or two, they have to inject their propaganda into EVERYTHING they do now.

    Basically a programme about the BBC’s favourite subjects Identity and the EU. All identities are wonderful except, yes you’ve guessed it, being British.

    The programme finished with a number of totally random (yeah right) people claiming to love being European and hating being British and hating the referendum result.

    One Scottish guy claimed to identify as Scottish and European, but definitely not British, apparently because he doesn’t approve of the behaviour of the MPs in the House Of Commons. (Like he has any idea what goes on in Strasbourg and in Brussels).


  24. Heyho says:

    Another great post in The Times. Yesterday Rod Liddle, today Melanie Phillips.

    It’s good that many commentators are now shining a light on the corrupt Far Left broadcaster. Each day we here more and more of their bias and filtering of the delivering of the news. Let’s hope they are a step closer to having their license revoked for bias. For sure they are the enemy within our great nation and are hellbent on destroying us:

    BBC led the way in writing off no-deal Brexit

    Melanie Phillips

    The centrist establishment still can’t grasp that those who voted Leave will not be cheated

    The current agony over Brexit, which deepened still further today, is based on one simple proposition. The law states that on March 29, 2019 the UK will leave the EU.

    If the terms of separation aren’t agreed, the country must therefore leave with no deal. Most MPs, however, refuse to countenance this. So they are indulging in fantasies. One is that the EU may soften its position on the Ireland backstop. If so, they say, they would support Theresa May’s deal. Really? What about the rotten rest of it?

    Last Friday, the former head of MI6 Sir Richard Dearlove and the commander of British forces in the Falklands War, Major-General Julian Thompson, published a devastating critique. The deal, they said, “surrenders British national security by subordinating UK defence forces to military EU control”. It would undermine membership of Nato, the defence and intelligence relationship with the US and the Five Eyes intelligence alliance. The two also supported leaving with no deal. “World Trade rules are to be welcomed, and there is nothing to fear in this”.

    This was part of a point-by-point rebuttal of the reprimand they had previously received from No 10 after they joined other eminent signatories in a letter denouncing the deal. As Sir Richard remarked, this was the first time ever that No 10 had publicly criticised a former “C”. A big story that one might expect to lead the news bulletins? The BBC ignored it.

    Shocking – but not surprising. For the Dearlove/Thompson analysis demonstrates that the case for no-deal can hardly be written off as the province of cranks and extremists, a view the BBC sedulously promotes.

    In The Noble Liar, a new book about the BBC’s leftwing groupthink, Robin Aitken, a former BBC journalist, devotes a whole chapter to its bias over Brexit. During the Brexit negotiations, he writes, although the EU was the main obstacle to progress, BBC journalists respectfully presented the claims by EU apologists as reasonable and true. The attack-dog treatment was reserved for British ministers (plus, I would add, Brexiteers in general).

    Aitken ascribes this to the BBC’s abiding love affair with the EU, rooted in the corporation’s innate internationalism. Over the years, he writes, the BBC has framed the European issue almost exclusively in economic terms and the impossibility of the UK prospering outside the EU. So it had little interest in the most important objection to membership: the challenge to Britain’s sovereign independence.

    The problem is that, along with others subscribing to the same groupthink, the BBC believes it reflects accepted wisdom, otherwise known as the “centre ground”. Anyone who challenges this by supporting no-deal is therefore by definition an extremist.

    Yet in addition to Dearlove and Thompson, such supporters include the former Chancellor of the Exchequer Lord Lawson, the former Ulster Unionist leader Lord Trimble, members of Economists for Free Trade and a range of academics and business people. They are nevertheless written off as marginal, because the belief that no-deal is so obviously worse than any alternative is deemed incontestable.
    This error is rooted in the refusal to acknowledge that people voted to leave principally in order to regain the power of self-government as an independent nation. And on that, no compromise is possible.

    Here and there, though, a dim light seems to be dawning. Both Sajid Javid and Jeremy Hunt, who fancy themselves as prime minister, have been signalling that although they voted Remain they would consider a “managed no-deal”. Other Remainers just can’t understand why, having been told no-deal means apocalypse now, Brexiteers are still stubbornly standing firm.

    This merely reflects what is displayed by so many Remainers in the political and intellectual classes: a deep, visceral contempt for the people. Resentment against that arrogance helped produce the referendum result and it’s why so many Brexiteers are currently having the iron forged into their soul.

    For they can see Remainer MPs and the EU in open alliance to thwart Britain’s democratically expressed wish to leave — a prospective reversal so thoughtfully assisted by the European Court of Justice ruling the day before the expected “meaningful” vote that the UK can withdraw Article 50.

    They also see that, in the attempt to overturn the decision they themselves handed the people, MPs are fabricating yet another fiction. Dominic Grieve and Hilary Benn, for example, are each attempting to give MPs the power to block Brexit on the grounds that parliament is sovereign.

    As the distinguished historian Professor Robert Tombs has protested, this is nothing other than an unconstitutional power grab. “Parliament after all is sovereign in the making of laws,” he says, “but it is not sovereign against the will of the people.” It should never say “something you have voted for we will not do”.

    Unlike the French, thankfully, the British don’t go in for political violence. Their anger, however, now threatens to undo the compact inherent in representative democracy between governing class and governed. The 17th-century civil war was about parliament against the crown. We are now facing the prospect of parliament against the people. If MPs don’t enable the UK to leave the EU next March, they risk provoking a constitutional crisis the likes of which this country has never seen.


    • Payne by name says:

      Excellent piece Heyho but do we really think it would provoke a constitutional crisis? Do we really think that, that many people will be motivated to protest, complain or kick off?

      I mean even if the deceitful, guttersnipe Tories got hammered at the next election for their spineless treachery, would any journalist or media of any weight put together the loss to public anger over Brexit?

      Of course not.

      It would be dismissed, ignored and papered over. It would be because of Grenfell or because of her dancing. No one will be ‘kicking off’ and the ‘victory’ for giving the finger to the Tories is consigning the UK to being ruled by the dribbling morons in the Labour party.

      The establishment wins again, the Beeb wins again and this country goes down the shitter. And to be honest, I’m beyond caring about the future of the country and the damage that Labour will bring to us. We deserve it for letting this happen.

      Apart from UKIP, no one is really standing up for the country and hence it, along with the ridiculous idea that we were a democracy, can go to hell.

      Brexiteers have jobs and responsibilities and they can’t be sacrificed and / endangered by being called racists and xenophobes if they were to protest.

      I know it’s dramatic to claim that it’s over but it certainly feels like the bells are beginning to toll for us.


  25. theisland says:

    Good rant tonight from David Vance on Periscope.


  26. Anne says:

    In spite of well publicised, near hysterical outbursts from some of the more vocal members of the arts world about how Brexit will ruin their careers, and probably everyone else’s, the 2019 Musikfest Berlin will feature three London orchestras: the LSO, the BBC Symphony Orchestra, and the (original instrument) Orchestre Révolutionnaire et Romantique (yes, it is British).

    To a large extent, playing an instrument is a matter of overcoming technical difficulties so, by and large, classical musicians just tend to get on with it. Pity actors don’t do the same. Parroting a script for a living doesn’t mean that your own ramblings are equally compelling.

    And look, even the BBCSO expects to be able to cope with Brexit.


  27. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Anyone see the Brexit debate on channel 4 last night.

    How very unusual that of all the people in the audience to choose from, the final word just happened to go to a man who said he originally voted leave but now would definitely vote remain having changed his mind.
    What are the chances of that.


    • Dover Sentry says:

      I applied online to be a member of that audience. I provided as requested, details of my political leanings, mobile number, name, age and home address.

      I was asked to submit a question that I would like to ask the panel.

      I heard nothing more.


    • taffman says:

      A typical Remainer shout …”I originally voted out but would vote leave now, if given the chance of a Peoples Vote”.


  28. StewGreen says:

    10:45pm BBC1 Different programmes across the UK regions
    which will then be rpeated on BBC4 in the new year
    Birmingham #BlackLivesMatterMore


  29. Roland Deschain says:

    Huw Edwards has spent the whole of tonight’s News at Ten presenting outdoors at Westminster with anti Brexit placards being waved behind him.

    Now why would they decide to do that? And who forewarned the protesters in advance that Huw would be there?


    • Foscari says:

      Yes Roland-And the cameraman made very sure that “You didn’t
      vote to make you poorer” raised placard was very prominently
      on view. He was probably told by “Big Brother” to make sure
      it was in focus.


  30. StewGreen says:

    Ian Magness tells us
    \\ The BBC is at it again – this time using an episode of its – often excellent and informative – technology programme “Click” to broadcast its global warming propaganda.
    Then click on today’s (Dec 8) episode.
    Gems include:
    – a completely biased scientist earnestly telling us the end of world is nigh; and
    – an article on solar panels out at sea in Norway supposedly designed to give a fish farm power. The presenter had to admit that, for much of the time, it had to be powered by diesel, but it was great nevertheless! She missed the point that the high-tech membrane that she was standing on was almost certainly made from hydrocarbons and indeed had to be transported a long way there by fossil fuels but go hum!
    It is such a shame to see a genuine science programme abused for political purposes in this way.

    They also took the time to show derision for Trump, with the clear implication that if you were sceptical about climate change too, you’d have to be as moronic as The Donald.
    Q Why has belittling Trump got any relevance to a programme about advances in technology? I’m sure the BBC will tell us. //


  31. Up2snuff says:

    10pm, R4. Currency Watch courtesy of the BBC: the £ Sterling has collapsed in after hours trading.

    Fake News.

    Currency Watch courtesy of WebFG: the £ Sterling has hardly budged in after hours trading.


  32. Up2snuff says:

    Owen Paterson MP being very robust with both EU matters and Ritula Shah on R4’s TWT. How refreshing to hear a pro-Brexit MP not allowing themselves to be pushed around by the BBC.

    He clearly knows what is what. He espouses the power that a lost vote would have provided to a UK negotiator in Brussels.


  33. Guest Who says:

    #CCBGB as those with totes cred might say.


  34. fakenewswatcher says:

    Merkel has arrived in Marakkesh in a white jacket, to personally sign the UN ‘migrant pact’. White -presumably – denotes her innocence and purity.
    Ah well, at least we still have Ms May about, locally. And she’s dressed in blue, with a lot of balls about her neck. No symbolism there, either.
    At least with her in parliament, no one will notice she has signed the ‘migrant pact’?
    On behalf of us all.

    Of course, Brexit is now at fever pitch, so we have all forgotten the UN even exists. And Morocco is such along way away…


    • JimS says:

      ‘We’ have forgotten the UN exists? That would be the BBC ‘we’?

      ‘We’ have probably ‘forgotten’ that our fellow Europeans in Belgium now have a minority government as a result of UN news that ‘we’ have ‘forgotten’ about.

      Bias by ommission, a BBC speciality.


  35. Up2snuff says:

    Cannot help but wonder what the word to the PM was from the Whips. A loss by 250 votes? I wonder if a Brexiteer Labour Whip or a Remainer Labour Whip ‘leaked’ the potential Labour Ayes & Noes to the Tory Whips.

    Probably 50-90 could have been weathered.

    A loss by 100-200 might have had the letters going in to the 1922 Committee.

    250 or 250+ would have presented a collection of problems and challenges from without and within.

    At least the delay means that a No Deal Brexit edges just a little closer.

    Just clutching at straws. 🙂 Nighty night all. Sweet Brexit dreams.


  36. taffman says:

    “Prime Minister Theresa May has called off Tuesday’s crucial vote on her Brexit deal so she can go back to Brussels and ask for changes to it”. She should resign and let someone competent take over. Already the ‘Remainers’ are smelling success.
    Two and a half years of procrastination by Mrs Chamberlain to allow Al Beeb’s propaganda to take effect .
    Who controls Mrs Chamberlain – Parliament or the EU?
    What will history make of this ?
    The only way out now is for the Tory Party to ‘grow some’ or all those interested in freedom and independence is to vote and support UKIP.
    We voted out nothing more, nothing less and nothing about any deal . The ‘deal’ was an invention of the Remainers.
    Not carrying out the democratic decision of the people is storing trouble for the future. Just look at the rest of Europe , would any nation vote to join it now?


  37. Guest Who says:

    OT but the bbc and MSM do accord MPs with smarts and strategic insights that the evidence of the last several years confirms is not needed to swing a comfy slot in the House.

    Lammy, Soubry, Vince, all the Emilys, Di, Morgan,…. all with the collective IQ of a bin liner, and feted daily by the BBc, featuring London and…

    Who… in their right mind, would think sharing this is going to end well on twitter?


  38. Dover Sentry says:

    I’ve just watched on catch-up ‘The Real Brexit Debate’ broadcast on Sunday by Channel4.

    (I did apply to be an audience member the day before but had no response from Channel4. Slightly annoying as I had entrusted them with my personal details).

    Rees-Mogg was one of four on the panel. The others were Caroline Lucas (Lib), James Claverley (May supporting Tory) and Barry Gardiner (Lab). Even balance for once?

    I’ll summarise the 50 minutes as follows:-

    Rees-Mogg didn’t have a chance to speak until over ten minutes had passed. Most of the air time was granted to the May supporting Tory.

    Mogg was allowed to speak again briefly after thirteen minutes.

    Lucas made a comment that Brexit was voted for by the Right for the Right. This received big applause from the audience.

    After eighteen minutes, Mogg was allowed to speak for ten seconds.

    Lucas responded by saying that Brexit had sold out for young people and that freedom of movement is wonderful, to love and to study.

    After twenty-two minutes, Mogg was allowed ten seconds to speak.

    After the adverts, Mogg was allowed about forty seconds airtime to put his view. He spoke of the importance of trust and that the voters had entrusted Parliament to deliver Brexit. He spoke of the term hard-Brexit that was never related to hard-Remain by the media. He referred also to the stunningly arrogant Government response to Brexit.

    In essence, Mogg was regarded as a nuisance. But he hit home with well placed broadsides when the opportunity arose. Nelson would have been proud.

    I wish that I had been there.


  39. pugnazious says:

    According to the Mail, and the BBC don’t seem interested yet despite their wall to wall coverage of the story, the man accused of shouting ‘Black C word ‘ at Sterling says he actually said ‘Manc C word ‘….mouth the words and the lip movement is the same. Put that together with the fact that a black fan, just feet from the man, said he heard no racial abuse and the unlikelihood of someone shouting ‘Black cunt’ in the circumstances, ie knowing, as a long term regular fan, they will be in full view of cameras, and so up close to the player that they’re not an anonymous voice in the crowd, suggests he may well be telling the truth. Still, nothing like a kangaroo court led by the BBC casting judgement upon the bloke and denouncing him publicly across the nation as a racist whilst having no idea what he really said…and not bothering to find out. Nothing more than lynch mob really. The BBC shamelessly destroying a man’s life for some, what are clearly unpleasant, remarks but nothing you won’t hear day in day out at any football match up and down the country at all levels and targeted at players of all kinds…why is he singled out?….the BBC that thinks white people are hideous and is happy to laugh and joke about ‘male, pale and stale’ men.

    The BBC’s coverage of this has been atrocious, facts and legalities cast aside as they exploit the issue to peddle their own narrative about racism in Britain, racist Britain that is….and not forgetting to tie it into Brexit as well.

    From the Mail…

    ‘A football fan accused of racially abusing England star Raheem Sterling apologised for his behaviour last night.

    Colin Wing, 60, was caught on camera hurling insults at the Manchester City player in a Premier League match at Chelsea on Saturday.

    Footage appeared to show him calling Sterling a ‘f****** black c***’ while other Chelsea fans shouted non-racial abuse.

    Mr Wing said: ‘I’m deeply ashamed by my own behaviour and I feel really bad.

    ‘But I didn’t call him a black ****, I called him a Manc c***.

    ‘I’ve been going to Chelsea for 50 years now and, because of where I sit, I’m picked up on the camera most weeks.

    ‘If I had a history of saying this sort of thing I would’ve been caught by now.’

    [Edit NOTE The C word has been edited from this comment by fedup2 ]


    • taffman says:

      “Racist Britain ” Great Britain is probably the most least racist country in the world.


      • Anne says:

        The word “gullible” springs to mind, so I’m afraid you will have to forgive me if I don’t feel particularly proud. A lot of so-called racism is merely sensible self preservation but we don’t have the courage to discriminate (yes, that word) and keep out those who contribute nothing.

        Japan must be pleased that it took the “virtually no immigrants” line years ago, “racist” or not. It will be the winner in the long term.


    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Sterling is an interesting case. Shared years ago with my wife that I saw the ‘race card’ coming up from him, whenever we watched him play.
      He would dive dramatically in a strategic place, after every successful tackle on him, rise to his feet, and put on a face of extreme outrage at the ref, who hadn’t given him a free kick .
      White players do that as well, of course. But they know that they may as well get on with the game, as the ref’s decision is final. Most black players will do the same.
      But if you think carefully, there are other situations in which sensitivities around incidents on the field may be exploited, to ensure that is not the end of the story.
      I speculate Raheem may now think, that as the nation’s top footballer (how he probably sees himself), he can now expand his media profile and take up other causes. There’ll be many eager supporters, so when he hangs up his boots, parliament or something will beckon.
      I don’t know what happened in this particular situation, so I don’t want to be unfair to him. But something like this was definitely going to happen sooner or later. I hope I’m wrong, but all those pulled faces and the message they conveyed have stuck in my mind.


  40. Celtic_Mist says:

    #BiasedBBC willfully ignorant of the important issues


  41. Celtic_Mist says:

    Imho, MPs always knew that there would be no agreement (among themselves because they are mostly Remainers) on any sort of Brexit and May, as somebody has said here a few weeks ago, “has played a blinder” to secure a no- deal outcome. The strategy of ‘kicking the ball down the road’ is deliberate and effective.

    The fallout from the shambles could be that politics with never be the same in UK again (leave out Northern Ireland) and we are heading for the emergence of a strong Populist movement.

    The #BiasedBBC part of this is that Populism is a ‘dirty’ word in their twisted view of reality


    • Payne by name says:

      Each to their own but I think your faith in May’s masterplan to get us a no deal is a little questionable.

      I see no evidence of a great tactician or someone putting the UK in front of the EU. I hope you are right but I fear that too many Tory MPs are banking on this same expectation and are going to be in for a nasty shock when they realise that it wasn’t a plan – she simply f****d us!


  42. john in cheshire says:

    It’s been puzzling me for a while who it is that Mrs Soubry looks like and it occurred to me this morning that I know who it is. It’s… Gary Glitter.


  43. Guest Who says:

    A bbc email ‘top story’.

    ‘People felt entitled to touch my body’

    British Olympian Anyika Onuora says she used to wear baggy clothes to hide her body because people “felt entitled to touch it”. The 34-year-old, who won 4x400m relay bronze at Rio 2016, struggled with body image confidence as a youngster having gone to a predominantly white school. As an athlete, she was often told she was “fat” because her body was naturally bigger than those of many peers.

    “At times you would feel objectified,” says Onuora, who has Nigerian parents. “I had an adult body at such a young age – I had hips, quite a big backside, and I didn’t know what to do with it or how to feel about it.”


    Did she write in, or did the bbc call her up and ask?

    And as to not knowing what to do with a big backside….


    • Up2snuff says:

      The photo of Anyika Onuora competing, rather gave the lie to that ‘big backside’ thing. I know some Nigerian ‘Aunties’ who would give her some disapproving looks.


  44. JamesArthur says:

    Don’t you get fed up with these people who accept the fame and positives – then when it goes start the race/sexist/mental heal cards fly out with force..

    I am still looking for som cards to play…no luck…White, heterosexual, self employed, male over 50..born in UK….no cards here…


  45. Guest Who says:

    Always a hoot when the bbc ventures to the USA to get outraged, but people fail to take the bait…


  46. Guest Who says:

    Past caring about the talking heads in Parliament, but watch this with the sound off. Emily needs treatment.


    • JimS says:

      Fox is stating the ‘bleedin obvious’ Emily, and it applies to the BBC too, who call the few MPs that actually want to carry out the will of the people ‘rebels’.

      If the BBC was ‘holding power to account’ they would be pushing all MPs that stood behind the Conservative or Labour manifestos ‘to carry out Brexit’ to explain why they haven’t done so yet.


    • Rich says:


      I caught about 10 minutes of Mantis on Newsnight last night. This woman has no redeeming features at all, neither physically, despite what some of on here maintain, nor mentally, and seems oblivious to the fact that no-one gives a shit about her opinion or her programme, it is now irrelevant. The group of guests last night, Jonathan Meades, a French female journalist and a New Statesman editor spouted unadulterated bullshit as Suzanne Evans, the lone Brexiteer yet again, listened on increasingly increduously. Smug, arrogant, conflictingly insular and detached, this programme, it’s presenter and the vast majority of its guests serve no constructive purpose, contribute nothing of benefit or value to anyone outside their intellectual cell and are actively attempting to undermine and destroy any aspect of British society and culture that does not adhere to their doctrine.


  47. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #1 (there may be only one)

    Disappointment for Justin in the TOADY studio talking to Rebecca Long-Bailey (Lab) and wanting a second vote, a People’s Vote, just for one sort of Justin-people who will only vote Remain.

    Unfortunately, Jeremy Corbyn has changed his mind again. There were hints yesterday that he had committed his Party to a Second Referendum. Now, like The Vote, its orrffff!

    Hezza has been dragged on to get Conservative voices to call for a Second Referendum. He makes it clear that he thinks Carney’s ‘assumptions’ are facts! Talk about Gullible’s Travels.

    The Panto season continues at the BBC: the Jezza and Hezza Show. Perhaps they could take over from Ant and Dec?


    • Guest Who says:

      Bex is good value. Kahm down… kham down!


    • G says:

      What beats me is that no one, but no one, explores what if another referendum goes the same way. What for the Remainers and their acolytes then?
      I reported a few days ago that I heard Prof. Curtis of Strathclyde Uni, (yes, the dishevelled one looking like a part-tramp) state that so far as his pollstering outfit is concerned, nothing’s changed from the first Ref. Numbers are about the same. He’s probably the only one that is anywhere close enough to what people think. The BBC certainly think so: he’s not been broadcast since, perhaps his fatal projection, some months ago.

      If another referendum is called, the danger is that the devious, dishonest, disingenuous, liar that is Treason May would push for only two questions:
      My deal; or,
      Certainly not the one most here including me, would want:
      Out now! Full Monty Brexit! No deal! WTO, here we come!


  48. tarien says:

    Absolutely hoping mad when I heard that nasty woman Sturgen ranting on about another referendum vote-she is a traitor and represents a so called political party all equally traitors to the United Kingdom-The Scots were brave fighters and fought with the other members of the UK in both world wars, my wife is a Scot and would gladly throttle that First Minister-why then would the SNP want to fail all those Scottish lives- the EU will never accept them, and they really can’t manage on their own with 5.1 million people, not in this difficult world. Its a great country I lived there for 10 years and met some very decent Scottish folk many were very sad to think that their countrymen would want to break away.


    • Thatcherrevolutionary says:

      More Scots voted for Brexit than the SNP in the last GE.

      So they don’t ‘speak for Scotland’


  49. Up2snuff says:

    Oh dear! I have to do a TOADY Watch #2.

    The Humph interviews a convicted but not sentenced criminal (is that not a breach of Broadcasting rules?) and allows her to make her case, prior to the application to Appeal, for her conviction to be overturned.


    Interesting comparison there with some other recent, well-known legal cases and convicted criminals. One rule for some, a different rule for others – at the BBC.


    • StewGreen says:

      \\ interviews a convicted but not sentenced criminal (is that not a breach of Broadcasting rules?) //
      The rule of thumb is juries can be influenced by media but judges are above that you can report anything after conviction even pre-sentencing.