Start the Week Open Thread 3 December 2018

The Far Left BBC has been silent on the poisonous UN Treaty on Migrants which the outgoing PM will sign on our behalf this week. It is a horror and shows how far the UN has become a disfunctional lefty cancer in need to urgent reform .

When the next government – of whatever type incorporates the treaty into UK law people will wonder what the hell is going on – bet the BBC won’t tell them .


There is a petition on the government website and I am sure some friend will put up the link in


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677 Responses to Start the Week Open Thread 3 December 2018

  1. s.trubble says:

    I voted Dimbelby for the “Most Biased” award from the long list of trough swillers. Although equally detest Sopel.
    Always found Charles Moore,s articles to be meaningful, accurate and educational. People like him are what we should be getting from the bBC…………. not these trumped up, entitled lazy lefties cheating the viewing public from balanced reporting.


  2. pugnazious says:

    I’m sure the BBC have mentioned it somewhere, probably a promotion but Googling this, ‘U.N. Global Compact for Safe, Orderly and Regular Migration’, and I had no BBC hits come up….odd for such a major and far-reaching agreement, one opposed by so many countries.

    The pact essentially makes migration a right and basically mean you cannot oppose it…and if you do so you may be criminalised.

    Curious the BBC makes so little noise about this ruinous agreement that will set the world ablaze….have they not seen what is going on in Europe now?


    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Pug- The MSM have been avoiding mention or discussion of this ‘migrant compact’, wherever possible. The idea was to have this all signed and sealed, by the time the ‘average citizen’ becomes aware of it. In most European countries it has not been possible and the media have been forced -ever so reluctantly- to reveal their hands.
      In the petition in the German Bundestag, for instance, currently 105, 558 signatories have expressed opposition. Merkel has been forced to take a public stance- in favour, of course! There is much media debate. In the UK 117,002 have signed, but everyone is still talking Brexit.
      But in the UK there has been Brexit, Brexit, Brexit, and little else.
      So we are the one country where a sufficiently large and noisy issue dominates to the exclusion of all else. Including, most critically, the ‘migrant compact’. And so we sign…
      With such wonderful cover, nothing but clouds of brexit smoke visible, what other options are there?
      Has anyone any record of May being asked about it in parliament?


    • Lefty Wright says:

      Have our western world, political, business and cultural leaders become so indoctrinated by a pop song called “Imagine”? I just hope I don’t live long enough to see the resultant death and destruction that will be required in the attempt to usher in such an impossible dream.
      The Left/Liberal attempts to convince us that the peoples of the Earth are all one big human family is obviously, for the foreseeable future at least, totally false.
      Nor is this a racial divide. If it was, why do so many black Africans slaughter each other on a daily basis?
      Britain First! Apparently that statement qualifies me as Fascist.
      Oh well, A Happy Christmas and a Brexit New Year to you all.X


  3. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    After Charles Moore pointed out that he was the only leave voter on last nights question time (as have others such as Julia Hartley Brewer) and that this was qt’s usual panel make up, I wonder if the future leave voter on each panel may have to sign a contract saying they will not point out that they are the only leaver on the panel.


    • Beltane says:

      Truly delightful to hear Dimmly’s faux outrage at the very idea, and when later he actually said ‘I’m impartial….’ with no sign of nose lengthening you have to applaud the clever camerawork.
      Charles Moore signed off with a tongue in cheek ‘eulogy’ in praise of all the unbiased and professional chairmanship over too long a period. Only Charles would have appreciated the irony, Dimmly obviously thought he meant it.


    • RJ says:

      “I wonder if the future leave voter on each panel may have to sign a contract saying they will not point out that they are the only leaver on the panel.”

      The way round that is to abide by the contract, but to tell the audience that they’ve had to sign a contract not to mention that they’re the only leaver on the panel.


  4. pugnazious says:

    Andrew Gilligan in the Spectator today…..

    The danger of the ‘Islamophobia’ label
    MPs’ official attempt to legally define ‘Islamophobia’ is deeply flawed

    Note pro-Eu Soubry, along with Grieve, is joinng forces with islamists like Warsi, to stamp down on criticism of Islam. Soubry who wanted to chuck Brexiteers out of the Tory Party for daring to promote Brexit…something of the night [of the long knives] about Soubry one might think in her passion for one-sided ‘debate’.

    ‘Last week, the All-Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) on British Muslims published a ‘landmark report’ demanding a ‘legally binding definition of Islamophobia’. It was launched by the group’s co-chairs, the Tory MP Anna Soubry and Labour’s Wes Streeting, and the former Tory minister Baroness Warsi. Dominic Grieve, the ex-attorney-general, wrote the foreword. Lord Bourne, the communities minister, spoke.

    Wittingly or unwittingly, these estimable figures, the report and the APPG are being used by deeply problematic groups to push profoundly dubious ideas into government.

    The new definition, the report makes clear, should control and police a vast spectrum of activity, extending ‘far beyond’ anything that can currently ‘be captured as criminal’.

    It should, for instance, set ‘appropriate limits to free speech’ when talking about Muslims, and create ‘tests… for ascertaining whether contentious speech is indeed reasonable criticism or Islamophobia masquerading as “legitimate criticism”.’ Examples include alleging ‘conspiracies about Muslim entryism in politics, government or social institutions’. This could include the Trojan Horse plot or the extremist take-over in Tower Hamlets.

    The report finds ‘compelling’ a proposal that to be legal, criticism must not be ‘insincere’, the test being: ‘Does [the critic] really care about the issue, or [are they] using it to attack Muslims in the way that many use feminism and homosexuality?’ But who decides who ‘really cares’ and who’s ‘sincere’ or not?

    With a fine circularity, the APPG proposes that ‘accusing Muslims… of exaggerating Islamophobia’ should itself be deemed Islamophobic.

    Free expression is not the only area affected. The definition is ‘also required… to bring about a transformation in social etiquette’. The report agreed with one witness who said it should cover ‘negative attitudes’ by individuals, including ‘micro-aggressions’. Last year, Oxford University said that ‘not making eye contact’ with a black student could be a micro-aggression.

    The APPG report itself bears some resemblance to an entryist operation and fails its own sincerity test.’

    ‘Islamophobia’ is a label the BBC itself is ready and willing to weaponise in order to silence people it doesn’t like…hate to think what the BBC will be like if the government officially sanctions this McCarthyist thought policing and crushing of free speech and genuine debate. Then agian we jnow what happens…Rotherham, terrorism and trojan horses….all quietly hushed up and excused as long as possible.


  5. Beltane says:

    It would be churlish to overlook Ms Chakrabharti’s role. The hours she must spend painting her hair on and practising that ‘liquid sympathy’ look in the eyes deserves some sort of award. Come on Nobel, think of something meaningful.


  6. countryblues says:

    BBC TV : Brexit Debate in Parliament…

    My God! I’ve listened too much already to this so-called ‘Debate’ and, if nothing else, it clarifies my sense of hopelessness with all these buffoons. I’m more thoroughly pessimistic and depressed than I thought possible…it seems to me that very rarely do they ‘debate’ the serious situation at this moment in time…I feel I’m in 2015-16 once again! Same old tired BS… 🙁

    I thought David Davis spoke some sense, but he was mocked…


    • Luckyharry69 says:

      I have listened for the last few days and the most worrying thing is how ‘dumb'(I cant think of a better word) the Labour MP’s are…..baring in mind this is the most polarising political crisis since the War (perhaps)…and yet some of the speeches just left me completely dumbfounded.
      I have to say Nigel Evans (Conservative Ribble Valley) was one of the few who came out with credit and understands what people voted for.
      What possesses and sane intelligent person to vote Labour I do not know……


  7. thirdoption says:

    What do you do when the authorities lie to you? Who do you complain to when the very people who deal with the complaint are the same people telling lies?

    The man who deliberately drove his car into crowds of people in Melbourne, killing one and injuring seventeen has pleaded guilty to murder.

    Saeed Noori is a 33 yr old Afghani refugee who, after viewing videos of terrorist attacks, deliberately set out to kill people.

    Luckily for him though, the authorities have decided that it wasn’t a terrorist offence, it was simply that he was tired and hungry and have chalked it up to mental illness.

    “Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?”


  8. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    I’ve heard lots of those defending May’s ‘deal’ say that the eu don’t want this deal extending and many are unhappy as it’s too good for us.
    It took them all just minutes to sign it.
    They couldn’t believe their luck.

    As for the ‘temporary’ backstop arrangement.
    Income tax was also ‘temporary’
    Centuries ago.


  9. Lucy Pevensey says:


    • Doublethinker says:

      Yes but we all know that they are doing the bidding of the Remainer elite on this issue. If we think that the bias been appalling to date wait until the run up to any second referendum, we ain’t seen nothing yet!


      • Up2snuff says:

        Dt, quite right. Most of the MSM are anti-Brexit and Pro-Remain.

        The Hounds of Hell have been after Brexit and Brexiteers ever since the weekend after the vote. Do I recall correctly that someone was attacked in the street for shouting at pro-Remain demonstrators attacking Bojo’s front door on the Saturday? Then it has been a constant barrage against ‘that bus slogan’ (proved correct by the BBC!), Vince Cable accusing Leave voters of being elderly racists, Cambridge Analytica, Russian money, People’s Vote demos and blah, blah, blah.

        Have you or anyone here heard how that current investigation into Arron Banks is going?


  10. Burgsey says:

    BBC1 news at lunchtime today continues the full on assault to either push through Theresa Chamberlain’s deal or a vote to remain, along with the double whammy of more “could”, “could, “could” Project Fear+++ stories on what would happen with a “hard” Brexit, which the vast majority of us would simply call Brexit. The usual report from a local area to get the views of normal people. Yes they did interview someone who voted Brexit (informally made out to be unaware of what he voted for), followed by many remainders providing a much more “articulate” argument to remain. It has been consistent since the vote.

    As other have said, there has been no detailed critical analysis of Mrs May deal and I have never seen a positive story on the longer term benefits of Brexit in years to come.

    We can all see there will be problems and indeed some big challenges if a “standard” Brexit goes through, you know the one we voted for. I voted Brexit for the longer term benefits for a wide range of issues. Indeed I do get wound up by remainers who complaint that a hard Brexit will lumber our children and grandchildren with a burden. No it wont. Staying in the EU will only prolong the agony as it isn’t getting any better in the coming years and we will continue to have to fund both Europe and their failing project!

    Rant over!


    • G says:

      I wonder where the BBC’s ‘Professor Curtis’ (of, ‘Strathclyde Uni’) is right now. The last I heard of him on BBC a few weeks ago, he told the interviewer and listeners that all credible polls since the 2016 Referendum are all showing no (That’s NO) difference in a change of heart from the electorate with, the majority wanting ‘out’. I guess they won’t use him again. Sh** in his own nest so to speak. The BBC are probably out now seeking a ‘tame’ pollster that will provide what the EU……Oh. sorry, I meant BBC, want to hear.


      • Up2snuff says:

        G, I heard John Curtice on R4 toward end of November stating that of the UK Electorate, by his reckoning, about forty per cent are fairly firmly in each camp, Remain and Leave. That means there are 20% (plus/including new voters?) to convince to get a majority.


  11. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    I’m also fed up(2) with all this project fear stuff such as being denied insulin (so millions will be dropping dead in the streets from March 30th.)
    The government are targeting the gullible, weak minded and dim witted hoping to frighten them into supporting May’s surrender deal.
    They want to keep us virtually in the eu on the back of votes of the least informed and easily manipulated yet they say we leavers didn’t understand what we were voting for.
    I would think leavers are far better informed (and better looking, like Isabel Oakshot) than remoaners (like Annie soubry)


    • Banania says:

      Oh you have triggered me (in a good way) by mentioning the sublime Isabel Oakshott! Thank you.


  12. jip says:

    “Three “Far-right” arrested on terror charges…” says the BBC.

    Maybe they planned to put bacon on a mosque… we all know how you can be arrested imprisoned and then killed for that.

    Or maybe they highlighted a rape gang trial, the state was trying to hide. Then got dragged off the street and convicted within 5 hours.

    Or maybe they called Muhammad a pedophile for marrying a six year old… and they have been arrested for terrorizing Muslims with hate speech.

    Whatever happened, the state is is run by a bunch of thugs whose main purpose is to protect Islam… and of course the BBC is breathlessly excited to prove that it was non- Muslims that were the problem all along.


    • G.W.F. says:


      No further details available as the police are collecting WW2 history books and second hand Nazi regalia to fill their homes with, together with a few signed photos from the KKK

      Note how the far far far right threat has increased since Savid Javid became Home Secretary.


    • StewGreen says:

      hmm Are they saying that cos cos someone made a poster, that’s the same as planning a real terrorist act ?
      …Sounds implausible
      Read Riotous Assembly by Tom Sharpe


      • jip says:

        According to this article:

        “The 21-year-old was arrested on suspicion of possessing material useful to someone preparing an act of terrorism and conspiracy to inspire racial or religious hatred.”

        “… conspiracy to inspire… religious hatred… ”

        In Islam, Muhammad is considered the perfect role-model for all time, yet he married six year old Aisha who he hit in the chest for leaving the house against his orders. He owned and raped non-Muslim sex slaves like Maria the Copt.

        He force married Safiya the same day he had her husband tortured with molten metal to steal his gold, and genocided her tribe. He married his cousin Zaynab, and stole his sons wife Zayd, and had the woman Asma-bint-Marwan murdered for witing insulting poems, and apostates killed when they fled after being made to drink camel urine…

        Muhammads example promotes child rape, wife beating, forced marriage, incest, murder, genocide, and sex slavery for the unbeliever, and death to critics and apostates.

        Why should we not hate this kind of role model????

        And are we to understand that the BBC and the Government do not hate this???

        Of course, we all know that the BBC and the Government have their filthy little secrets… how else could they be controlled by the House of Inmans???


      • Banania says:

        Wasn’t his wearing of Nazi fancy dress to a party a mitigating factor?


  13. jip says:

    WOW the BBC has a headline:

    “Islamic child gang rape to be un-prosecuted by the government and un-reported by the BBC after Brexit”.

    Only joking… its about dead bodies piling up after Brexit… but my headline was equally true, wonder why the BBC don’t use it???

    The BBC lies by distortion and omission know no bounds.


  14. Lucy Pevensey says:


    • Fedup2 says:

      Fiona Bruce Dimbleby pronounced the latest biased presenter of the dire fixed Question Time . I hope she and her production company are very happy


    • Fedup2 says:

      I’m guessing the ReichEU has bribed any sympathetic national leader to stay quiet on the situation of the sell out inreturn for a Helfy lump from the £39 billion they are to be given for nothing –
      May lies about ‘ paying our way’ but it has been proven there is no legal requirement to pay to get out. Another example of lack of ‘ good faith ‘ .


  15. john in cheshire says:

    It seems Nigel Farage is determined to destroy UKIP.

    Is he a Looter or a Moocher ( from the novel Atlas Shrugged)?


    • Old Goat says:

      I think UKIP is doing a creditable job of destroying itself, without Nigel’s assistance.


      • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

        Nigels assistance?
        Farridge is behaving like a spolied brat. He has failed to be the comeback kid eh?
        Dont tell me OG, you wanted Bolton to stay?


        • Old Goat says:

          It is of no consequence to me, any more. Having maintained my membership of UKIP for a couple of years, and having joined under Nigel’s auspices, when he lost interest, so did I. The ensuing bun-fight rather confirmed to me that I made the right choice not to renew my membership, and I have seen little since to encourage me to change my mind. I like Gerard, but I also liked Nigel. All in all, UKIP appear to be going nowhere fast, in my humble opinion.

          I like Tommy Robinson, too, and with all his best intentions, I really don’t think he is of the material which will bring much kudos to the party.


    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      Farage- I think it’s possible the enemy got to him. In 2016 there were death threats. There were threats from immigrants to rape his daughter. Who knows what else happened behind the scenes. I think he may have caved in and compromised under pressure.

      The same pressure Geert Wilders & Tommy Robinson have been under for years.


    • Doublethinker says:

      Any person or organisation that tries to alert the country to the speed at which we are being Islamised is targetted by the establishment and leftist morons at the same time. Nigel knew this and kept UKIP well away from any anti Muslim policies in order not to give Remain a racist card to play. Mr Batten seems not to care as much about giving the establishment that racist card. I think that he is correct to see Islam as a real , present and rapidly growing danger, and he is brave to try and alert us to the threat.


      • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

        Well DT, you seem to be saying its ok to recognise the threats posed by islam, but better not say anything in case a horde of leftists et al attacks you?
        The flaw in your logic is that appeasement never works, plus Farridge made immigration a central plank of his ‘get me out of the EU’ campaign.
        So an attack based on a racist smear was always an option by anyone with a mind to do so.
        Have no doubt islam is and always was the threat you outline, but appeasement was never an option.


  16. Lucy Pevensey says:

    I’ve just seen the news (on on Al beeb of course) that Latvia has rejected the UN invasion pact.


  17. English Lass says:

    It appears behind the scenes that Mogg, Davies and BJ are starting to move. All three have today openly trashed Mays deal, and Boris has put out an alternative plan in brief. Perhaps we will see the 48th letter opened shortly. Fingers tightly crossed.


  18. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC Online News:

    “”Fiona Bruce confirmed to host Question Time””

    Ah… a left wing woman.

    Continuity and consistency is everything to keep this biased left wing production thriving.

    She’s an ardent feminist and attended voluntarily to protest at Greenham Common in the 80’s.


    • countryblues says:

      Spoilt for choice at the BBC with the number of harridans there to choose from, I think FB is a relatively mild outcome… 😉


  19. fakenewswatcher says:

    Merkel clone elected to lead the CDU (Communist Dump for Undermining) of the GDR (no, it’s not gone): the charming Kramp-Karrenbauer. Lengthy Socialist applause for the Chief Wrecker, Ms M. And you thought the UK Tory party is in a bad way!


  20. Fedup2 says:

    Ladies and gentlemen

    Many times here it is claimed that the BBC does t do comedy any more . Well that claim is wrong . This is because the BBC is broadcasting the debate by the unelected ruling class of the House of Oeers where a bunch of disconnected nobodies are lining up to tell voters how thick they are and have another go .
    Drain the swamp


    • Lefty Wright says:

      I have claimed on this website that the BBC doesn’t do comedy anymore and I stand by that claim 100%. Also,as they appear to have no concept of irony, what the BBC broadcast, they, I presume, absolutely believe to be the truth, otherwise they are just a bunch of charlatans which, incidentally, I consider them to be. They are not fit for national purpose and should therefore be de-funded from the tax payers wallet.
      I apologies in advance if my post has caused offense.


  21. Fedup2 says:

    The far left is in fear of TR . This is shown by a number of pieces published in the Guardian today before the march due on Sunday .

    As usual the Guardian Blames the messenger and ignores the message – which is one of the reasons British people don’t just denegrate politicians but now talk openly about holding them to account .

    Instinctively I didn’t ‘like’ TR . But after what is happening in Britain – and his brave reporting of it – he is a hero in our country and certainly not the villain the hard left make him- criminal record or not .

    Good luck on Sunday TR ( another one for the surveillance file of Fedup2)


    • Fedup2 says:



    • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

      Well put FU2, he is indeed a hero.
      Let us just see what the team of Gerard and Tommy can achieve, even if he is just an advisor.


    • G.W.F. says:

      I understand that the left opposing TR on Sunday are backed by unions and the TUC.
      And guess what? Tariq Ali will be there to defend the EU from TR and the Nazis

      Yes, once a figure of derison in Private Eye.


    • Banania says:

      Isn’t it thoughtful of the Guardian, in all three of those articles, to remind us that Tommy Robinson’s real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon?


      • Lefty Wright says:

        For more years than I like to admit I bought, read and believed the stories in the Guardian and the Observer comics. Now, I find their pages make my arse sore so now I opt for more gentle option. Stinging nettles.