Start the Week Open Thread 3 December 2018

The Far Left BBC has been silent on the poisonous UN Treaty on Migrants which the outgoing PM will sign on our behalf this week. It is a horror and shows how far the UN has become a disfunctional lefty cancer in need to urgent reform .

When the next government – of whatever type incorporates the treaty into UK law people will wonder what the hell is going on – bet the BBC won’t tell them .

 

There is a petition on the government website and I am sure some friend will put up the link in

 

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677 Responses to Start the Week Open Thread 3 December 2018

  1. taffman says:

    2 years and 6 months on ……………….
    Are we free yet , have we gained independence ?

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  2. fakenewswatcher says:

    What a TREACHEROUS parliament! What a useless PM and cabinet!
    Beeb playing ball with the treason…egging them on…Evan Davis on R4 leading, with Kuensberg, Pienaar and all the other mealie-mouthed commentariat following on, hoping -no doubt- that the end result of all of this will be a Labour government.
    The EU Nomenklatura must be laughing themselves silly.
    Juncker and Tusk are getting the champagne..
    Varadkar will have a sherry.
    Merkel rearranging her desk photo of Honecker. Is there space for Comrade Ulbricht?

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  3. taffman says:

    Message from today for Al Beeb to broadcast ?
    The Tory Party have not been listening to their grass roots members.
    They need a new leader , a Churchill.

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  4. pugnazious says:

    The BBC keeps calling Tommy Robinson ‘Far Right’ and yet they fail to identify exactly why he deserves that label. What is it that makes him ‘Far Right’? I’d sue if I was him.

    Similarly the Vox Party in Spain…apparently it is ‘Far Right’…again no explanation of why they are Far Right….check out the BBC’s in-depth analysis on them which investigates exactly who Vox are….or not…

    So…spot the ‘Far Right’ policies and sentiments? Oh..they’re against mass immigration and Islamisation…must be Nazis then!. The BBC were so short of actual evidence they resorted to smear by association by linking them to Le Pen [who is described as ‘Far Right’…again why?] and then a completely random insertion of a comment that the ‘Fascist’ Franco once ran Spain and there is a picture of him with Hitler inserted.

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    They missed out Chamberlain and Hitler for some reason…and we all know how well they got on…Chamberlain handing over Czechoslovakia to him….

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  5. fakenewswatcher says:

    Never mind contempt of parliament. They deserve it. What about the contempt shown for the voters?

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  6. StewGreen says:

    ITV local news doing the TV equivalent of CutNpasting activist PR
    “Oh look activists are protesting outside Drax meeting about their new large gas power plant plan, where they convert existing coal turbines to gas”
    …cut’s to the footage ..there are just 3 sometimes 6 protesters !
    How can they cover that but not cover the thousands or tens of Thousands at a Tommy R event ?

    BBC Look North has just opened, putting the story as #2
    BBC is almost exactly the same report : interview of the leader of the 6 this afternoon, then LIVE footage of a reporter standing the dark
    ..ah BBC added in the Attenborough clip for 30s
    And the BBC’s Paul Murphy added at the end “the danger is that some of this gas could come from CONTROVERSIAL fracking”
    And then the plea “what do you think , contact us on social media”

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  7. theisland says:

    https://order-order.com/2018/12/04/kamal-ahmed-bbc-correspondents-brexit-rubbish/

    Kamal Ahmed, emailed all BBC correspondents last week to encourage them to report contentious Treasury and Bank of England forecasts as definitive. The email, leaked to Guido, states with confidence that economically, Brexit is “a bit rubbish.”

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  8. StewGreen says:

    Students protest over University of Hull naming lecture theatre after BBC radio presenter Dame Jenni Murray.
    (Cos she says that just putting on a dress doesn’t make you a woman..they call her transphobic )

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  9. Oaknash says:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/04/nigel-farage-quits-ukip-over-fixation-anti-muslim-policies

    It was just a matter of time really.
    Didnt even bother reading the article as I think I can guess most of its content.. Looks like Nigel has decided that in the end he will be a lot better off going back to his roots. Thanks for the referendum Nigel.
    But no thanks for abandoning us.
    Then again I dont blame you for going. You obviously would have had difficulty being associated with a party that is actually concerned with real issues that affect real working people, not living in London. It is interesting that politicians that have never lived cheek in a vibrant community are always so quick to condemn those who have the temerity to tell it as it is. Still lots of time to enjoy the MSM hospitality and no more “difficult” questions. You can now whore your elitist wares to every progressive media outlet that will listen.
    In fact you have just enough time to put the boot into UKIP before the next election.

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    • Payne by name says:

      Well said. I’m quite disappointed with Nigel. UKIP aren’t getting any airtime on the media to say what a crock of shit this deal is and hence they have to get the attention of the media with a little bit of controversy.

      It’s right out of Trump’s playbook. I think maybe Nigel has forgotten what it’s like to not be called by the media because they don’t want you saying things that their agenda doesn’t want to hear.

      Batten is doing really well with UKIP and its a shame that Farage has to be stirring up shit right now. I thought he’d be better than that.

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  10. Yasser Dasmibehbi says:

    Just a few days before an anti-brexit rally Nigel Farage has resigned from Ukip. Joining his former arch enemy Evans to put the boot into his former party which he deserted in it’s hour of need.
    Reading the comments in Telegraph a lot of people are buying into the ‘Far right’ and ‘racist’ accusations against ukip.
    In the party itself, however, there will be a sizable chunk of people celebrating as he had been losing support of the members for years.
    Good riddance, I say. But that’s not important. I dread what the Beeb will make of it. For once he will be a hero with them and the egocentric little man will lap it up thinking he has now been accepted by the establishment. I hope the Brexit march is well attended on the 9th because Brexit badly needs a public show of solidarity.
    But as always Farage puts his own bitter feelings first and reveals his own very sad state of mind.

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    • Oaknash says:

      Not really surprised Yasser – Feet of clay like all the rest. If Nigel cant play with his old toys anymore , he will stamp on them and make sure no-one else can.

      At the end of the day – I expect there will be few Telegraph readers there anyway and they would probably never vote UKIP anyway. You can see these people for what they are a mile off. Last week there was an article on the Con Woman Website saying its time Brexiteers got angry and pushing the twenty quid a ticket Brexit rally later on this month but completely “forgot” to mention the march on the 9th.
      I did comment on his accidental “omission”
      At the end of the day the elite will always look after itself and I am afraid though very “clubbable” Nigel is part of the problem and only really cares about himself, and probably doesnt really give a flying F##K about the rest of us.
      As for the BEEB well they will say what they say anyway. Though I think a good proportion of the public now realise that Aunty is nothing more than a propaganda outfit.

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      • BRISSLES says:

        People have short memories. Nigel was the reason we had the referendum, – its not his fault that UKIP / Labour / Conservative have a load of numbnuts who couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery if their life depended on it. Wasn’t that long ago on here that some were calling for Nigel to be knighted. Seems there are more than a few numbnuts on here too !!!

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        • Yasser Dasmibehbi says:

          I don’t think anybody in Ukip forgets what Nigel was able to do.
          But what a lot of people refuse to understand is what he couldn’t do.
          He couldn’t run a party for starters. His was brilliant on the front line and people could follow him when he was charging forward. He got so far forward and lost his way. He called his own members and supporters names saying, in effect, they were, deplorables. This was long before Tommy Robinson came on the scene.
          I think it is Farage who has the selective memory.

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        • Anne says:

          “Wasn’t that long ago on here that some were calling for Nigel to be knighted. Seems there are more than a few numbnuts on here too !!!”

          Exactly.

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          • Emmanuel Goldstein says:

            What I see as a problem is if Nigel, with help from Aaron Banks, starts another party to push for the leave we voted for.
            That will split the leave vote and can only be good for remain (everything seems to be going their way at the moment)

            When will the fire and fury start because of the ‘elite’ ignoring our referendum result and going against democracy or are we just going to sit back and take it.
            We need a few French people to show us what to do because we are letting them get away with everything they try and (me as well) we just complain.
            When will our riots start?
            Are we waiting until we’ve been officially stitched up?

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            • Anne says:

              But as discussed here not so long ago, a lot of people will not vote for a party with TR on board. I’m not defending it, I see it as hypocrisy, but it’s a problem nonetheless.

              Farage knows this. In any case, I predict a very low turnout at the next general election, whenever it is. People must be wondering what the point is.

              Farage has always admitted that he’s a reluctant politician, but the management of UKIP did not improve when he stood down. Small parties are an ungovernable pain the neck in many respects.

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  11. pugnazious says:

    ‘ Sajed Choudry suffered horrific injuries when he and his son, Ahsan Choudry, were attacked last week in Rhyl Avenue in Blackburn.

    The 41-year-old is in a coma after having both ears cut off, and suffering a collapsed right lung and a bleed on the brain.

    Four people, Sadaqat Ali, 36, of Rhyl Avenue, Blackburn, Rafaqat Ali, 38, of Tenby Close, Blackburn and Fazal Ilhai, 62, also of Tenby Close, and a 13-year-old boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons, have all been charged with two counts of attempted murder. ‘

    The BBC hasn’t reported this case as far as I can see, at least on the website, despite it being from early this morning.

    Curious that not one report attempts to suggest a motive for the attack, no police comment at all…the nearest we come to anything is a comment that the attackers were neighbours of the victim.

    Was it a dispute about loud music, a hedge, parking or was the victim an Ahmadi Muslim and thus a ‘legitimate’ target for Sunni Muslims who state that Ahmadis are not Muslim and thus they sin grievously against Islam by claiming they are….as confirmed by the MCB’s own denouncement of Ahmadis as not being Muslim. Was this a religious hate crime?

    I await with interest to hear the reason for the attack and the BBC’s report.

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  12. Skeldings says:

    I watched Newsnight yesterday evening (yes, I know, I know). The first ten minutes or so saw Kirsty Wark interviewing the Solicitor-General and his shadow regarding the Attorney-General’s legal advice about the Brexit deal. Following that Miss Wark made her way to another part of the studio where Caroline Lucas and Jacob Rees-Mogg were seated waiting to discuss the possible contempt of Parliament adumbrated by Speaker Bercow.

    As Ms Wark approached them, Mr Rees-Mogg made to rise from his chair: a gentleman rising from his seat as a lady approaches. At one time this would have been an automatic action on the part of anyone who considered himself to be an English gentleman. But it was half a rise only; it looked to me very much as if Mr Rees-Mogg thought better of his natural inclinations. Perhaps he considered that he was in a BBC studio, where traditional notions of civility and courtesy no longer hold sway; perhaps he considered that Miss Wark, far from being a lady is in fact a hard-nosed BBC apparatchick who would dismiss traditional notions of civility and courtesy as the actions of a far-right fascist.

    I look forward to the Twitter twits condemning Mr Rees-Mogg for objectifying women with his crassly outdated ideas of courtesy. A telling vignette for our times, I thought. Did anybody else see it?

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      It’s Newsnight. Of course they didn’t.

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    • TrueToo says:

      Skeldings,

      That made me think of a stark difference in cultural behaviour in South Africa:

      A white man, if he is an old-fashioned gentleman, would hold the door of a restaurant open for a lady to enter before him.

      A Zulu doing the same thing would be regarded as a coward since he is ushering a woman in first to face potential danger.

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      • Lucy Pevensey says:

        True Too,
        That’s the German way also. From the medieval practice, the man was expected to go in first in case there was any danger on the other side of the door. It’s considered rude for a German man to send a lady through the door first.

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        • Fedup2 says:

          Men accompanying ladies should walk closest the kerb..

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          • G says:

            Fed,
            Perhaps the new educational regime in the form of ‘Life & Social Studies’ could include that in the childrens curriculum…………..
            Got a tough female friend who I met in business. We’ve developed a bond of compatible thinking over the decades. Nothing more I hasten to add. Some may call her ‘butch’ based on her manner and build. One day, leaaving my office for lunch with her, I walked around to my door to get in and was intending opening the passenger door from inside. Having alighted, she turned on me for not opening the passenger door for her first.
            One of many symptoms of the male dilema.

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            • Fedup2 says:

              G
              I’m a great fan of teaching ‘situational awareness ‘ this is aimed at thick people who think walking along with their eyes fixed on a mobile screen entitled them not to be walked into .

              I had someone walk straight into me and fall over because I am quite tall . They came after me as though it was my fault . The person was black so I held my tongue and didn’t say a word.

              I hope they learnt .

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              • Scroblene says:

                Great move, Fed!

                I even save time by just standing still and facing the other way!

                They just have to do a detour, or I smash their ugly faces against the nearest wall, stamp on their stolen phones, kick them several times all over, pinch their money and give it to charity, then go to the pub for a well deserved tincture! You’re invited of course!

                It’s much easier!

                (I’m sure your little chap has a chance to learn, but as he’s excluded, he has no hope and will be dross for the rest of mis miserable life)!

                Tough old world out there isn’t it!

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              • JamesArthur says:

                FedUp..Yes another of life’s new idiot activities…I just stop and wait for them to walk into me. It is surprising how many blame me for looking where I am going….worse in the car – I am not allowed to run them over

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        • TrueToo says:

          Lucy Pevensey – interesting, I didn’t know that.

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    • JimS says:

      Perhaps Mr Rees-Mogg realised belatedly that he had been ‘mic’d up’ and couldn’t move far without it dropping off?

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    • Banania says:

      I saw it and thought, “Good for him”.

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  13. TrueToo says:

    I’m struggling to understand the breaking news, bottom of previous page, re the parliamentary vote.

    From Fedup2’s comment:
    “Government just lost vote and must disclose legal advice for sellout by the 11th.”

    From theisland’s comment:

    “MPs vote 321-299 for parliament to control Brexit if deal voted down, another government defeat.”

    Are those two two results part of the same vote?

    And then there is the 48-letter thing for no confidence in May’s handling of Brexit, if I have that right. Is that going along swimmingly or do too many MPs have writer’s cramp?

    Can someone among my esteemed colleagues enlighten me as to the state of play?

    Thanks in advance.

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      They’re separate votes.

      If May loses, Parliament can tell the government what to do next. Though how it can tell it to agree another deal when there IS no other deal is a mystery. In reality, we all know it will tell the government to halt Brexit. As has been the plan. Surely no one can believe today’s announcement by the European Court of Justice was just happy chance? If they do, I have a bridge to sell them.

      As for the 48 letters? Currently in cold storage. There was a worry that an unsuccessful challenge would mean no further challenge could be made for 12 months.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      True
      No – they were separate votes and losses . I spent a couple of hours watching the debate but have lost the will to live . 5 days of nothing before the sell out vote . Whips will be taking families hostage by the end …

      I reckon when the legal advice is published it will have a lot of XXXXX and XXXXXXXX XXXX in it .

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      • TrueToo says:

        Fedup2,

        Why on Earth did Gove promote May to be PM at the expense of Boris. Could Boris have possibly done a worse job?

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        • Fedup2 says:

          I think gove knew he’d have a cabinet job with May whilst boris might have kicked him to the backbenches for the duration .

          Personally I think the whole lot is a shower and we are due a bucket of nasty stuff that is a McDonnell cabinet .

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          • TrueToo says:

            Fedup2,

            There was an old movie, The Stepford Wives I think it was called. They get taken over by extra-terrestrial spirits and bow to the God of conformity, speaking with one voice as enslaved housewives.

            May and Leadsom are now bowing in submission to the EU God, and I’m sure there are many more.

            And there is definitely no shortage of Stepford husbands in parliament.

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            • Banania says:

              Invasion of the Body Snatchers is a parable for our time. I mean the original version.

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            • Despairada says:

              About ‘Stepford Wives’, only in the interests of correctness, it doesn’t change your main point, in the old movie, the husbands formed a club and decided to replace their wives with externally identical robots/androids who all behaved like perfect little housewives. One of the wives tried to stop it but failed. There was a more recent remake in which the women do get some revenge but there my memory of it ends.

              I think the government would like to replace all of us pesky voters with compliant androids. (or muslims …. oooh naughty, Tommy Robinson made me do it )

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  14. Dystopian says:

    In reply to Skeldings post above;
    I don’t see how or why that should be considered as sexist. I would have thought it good manners to do the same regardless of the gender of the host.

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  15. StewGreen says:

    So Premier league are you spending money virtue signalling as well ?
    Yep ..paid ad on Twitter

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    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      Make Rainbows Heterosexual again 😉

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Blocked .

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    • johnnythefish says:

      This Premier League rainbow ad was also a 4-page wrap around the Sunday Telegraph sports section and the Manchester Evening News and probably several other publications. That’s four full-page adverts.

      A very expensive virtue-signalling exercise – hundreds of thousands I would guess. Wouldn’t mind, but the Telegraph sports section is one long virtue-signalling exercise these days anyway.

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  16. StewGreen says:

    Are sites like
    Continenatal telegrapgh , The Register, Unherd
    Good alternatives to the narratives lib-establishment feed us, whilst covering up others ?
    https://www.continentaltelegraph.com/labour-party/at-last-a-brave-labour-mp/
    https://www.theregister.co.uk
    https://unherd.com

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  17. Fedup2 says:

    Taffman
    There I was trying to remember which EU state produces theobroma cacoa but sadly there isn’t one because cocoa comes from South America and Africa – neither of which are in the ReichEU yet .

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  18. fakenewswatcher says:

    Yes, we are fully distracted by Brexit, and totally befuddled -another successful accomplishment by the PM (Prime Mover of Distraction). Meanwhile, a week to go, before the ‘migrant compact’ strikes us amidships. However, not everyone has been lulled to sleep…
    Will ‘migration’ become a ‘human right’? Will it be illegal to criticise it? Bill Still’s 2469 on YT, straight from the chambers of the EU parliament is most interesting! (The list of non-signers is incomplete, Bill; Steve Turley is more up-to-date)
    It seems the Confuser-in Chief, assisted by the beeb et al, is signing on behalf of us all, while parliament is playing ‘Amendment-Amendment’, every bit as useful as ‘musical chairs’…
    Then again, this could all just be a bad dream, and we will wake up soon…

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Fake

      The bubble is staying quiet on the Treaty . But I would put a shilling on a lot of noise straight after signature from rubbish like lammy , abbot , lady nudge and the like demanding UK legislation to enforce the treaty . Then we really have trouble .

      At least we know that if President trump wins a second term he will take on the snowflake UN and hopefully end it.

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  19. scribblingscribe says:

    Turned on Radio 5 live, as my team was playing football tonight. The footie program was presented by a woman, (of course). The first match commentator was a woman … so was the second , then the third … at which point I turned off.

    Social engineering comes as a costly extra, paid for by our license fee.

    #NoMoreBoysandGirls

    That is a genuine piece of Marxist Culturalism from the tax payer funded BBC, out to pretend that norms in culture do not apply.

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  20. Roland Deschain says:

    Jon Sopel takes his snarking to new levels.

    And, when called out, puts on the innocent face.

    But, lest anyone be in any doubt as to what he isn’t suggesting..

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    • StewGreen says:

      “You’re picking a fight in an empty room”
      … of course Sopel is projecting ..who started a fight about nothing
      ..and then punched again with a second tweet ?
      …the Democrat owned Sopel

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  21. Zelazek says:

    Turner Prize time again, folks. Will Gompertz gushing over a woman who looks like a man about some “profound” video footage she took on her phone that explores – you guessed it – issues of identity and gender. Who was it who said, “Whenever I hear the word ‘culture’, I reach for my revolver”?

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    • Luckyharry69 says:

      @Zealazek
      I prefer the TURNIP Prize to be honest.A spoof of the Turner Prize.

      If you havent seen it I think it has been awarded in the last few days.
      A Pub in Somerset has been running this competition for 20 years?

      “creating crap art with the least amount of effort possible”

      I cant upload on to this site so perhaps somebody on here will upload the winning entry…..we could all do with a laugh I’m sure.

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      • StewGreen says:

        The winner Collywobble echoed Damien Hirst’s Cow in Formaldehyde


        Runner’s up Hot Date and Trump Tower

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      • Zelazek says:

        LuckyHarry – Turnip is good.
        I notice that the Turner winner says she couldn’t have made her “work” without financial assistance and calls for more help in the form of public grants. Basically she is saying she can’t support herself because no-one will buy the goods she produces, so she demands subsidy from the taxpayer. God, we could all make such an absurd demand, but most of us would be too ashamed or embarrassed to do so. I say no public money for artists. I think we should return to the days of private patronage. If there is some rich idiot somewhere willing to support them, then fair enough. But why should the public support art that either no-one buys or they never get to see because it ends up hanging in some private collector’s house?

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    • Fedup2 says:

      The ‘hot date’ turnip prize nomination is a profound expression of the cultural richness of Britain and the richness of its’ culture . For uncultured readers it consists of ‘date ‘ and a red chilli. A statement of hope for the future out of the ReichEU.

      I wish I’d used me iPhone video thingy for half hour to win the Turner prize . You really have to have real courage to carry off such a fraud…

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    • StewGreen says:

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  22. taffman says:

    Al Beeb informs us that they are dropping the Brexit TV Debate.
    So someone tell me what was the point in holding the debate?
    Mrs Chamberlain is a Remainer and Harold Steptoe is a ….who knows ?
    Perhaps Al Beeb can tell us…….. ‘what we know’
    I know that we would just as well watch Tom and Jerry ?
    Great Britain, ‘The Cradle of Democracy’ and the world watches on with interest .

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    • G says:

      Taffman,
      “The Cradle of Democracy” and the “Mother of all Parliaments”. No longer.
      Strong Conservative leadership started dying as soon as we joined the “Common Market”. You can’t join a left-wing, Socialist/Globalist club without the club’s modus operandi rubbing off on you. Dilution by another description. That’s why the Right is now Left in this country and the Left has moved to well within the Marxism belt.

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  23. Dover Sentry says:

    May’s comment in the House of Treason yesterday:

    “”She admitted her deal was not “perfect”, but warned those planning to vote against it would “put this country on course for no deal”.””

    On course for a No Deal? But this is what I voted for!

    https://news.sky.com/story/in-contempt-pm-suffers-three-major-setbacks-as-brexit-debate-begins-11571879

    Not mentioned by BBC.

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    • taffman says:

      The French riot and the government changes its mind.
      The British people hold a democratic vote and the government deviously try to change the people’s mind. Parliament at it’s peril is not listening to democracy.
      Over to you Al Beeb……

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  24. Fedup2 says:

    Toady watch

    The traitor Leadsom said that the legal advice of the sell out is to be published at 1130 UK time today vennsday. This one really will be worth reading – although I think there may be ‘secret’ bits which involve the truth .

    Humph interviews some fool who went to the UAE and got banged up for life . Humph dealt with him as a victim as opposed to an idiot . There wasn’t much grace involved in thanking the government to get him out but no surprise really . The idiots ‘ wife was a typical mouthy yank demanding this that and the other . Maybe they’ve learnt about Arabs …

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    • StewGreen says:

      Wasn’t the legal advice entirely leaked yesterday ?

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Well I thought so but some people claimed it was not authentic . I might compare and contrast… whatever the case it will be “ less than perfect “ which might land up being the epitaph for 2018.

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    • TrueToo says:

      Fedup2,

      I watched the entire BBC broadcast back in 2016 as the vote veered towards Brexit and Dimbleby looked more and more somber. I recall that Leadsom was one of a panel discussing the vote on the BBC and I was rooting for her. What a disappointment she has turned out to be.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        True
        Yes I watched it too and every so often watch the result on you tube to cheer myself up – to see the beeboid faces – but like when President trump won the election …..

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      • Luckyharry69 says:

        @True
        and Boris and Kate Hoey…and JRM…..
        they all seem to be ‘accepting’ that we wont have a ‘no deal’ Brexit…..which is actually what I voted for.Like millions I balanced up the information and voted…
        My vote was a form of ‘contract’ in my opinion.I think 17.4 million people would have a good LEGAL case to challenge our ‘Government’ on behalf of the ‘People’
        The PEOPLE’S BREXIT………

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        • JamesArthur says:

          LuckyHarry
          I agree and have been pondering this . How do we go about starting he equivalent of a class action against the Government or TM as prime minster who said Brexit is Brexit? I believe we had a contract and that harpie Gina Miller took them to court o stop it so why can’t we..

          Help anyone?

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    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Leadsom – big disappointment. Corrupted by her proximity to May, and a chance to get at the trough, no doubt,

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      • Up2snuff says:

        Or playing a clever game, fnw?

        And/or merely playing politics?

        Along with Gove’s statement last week about accepting the deal, it could be they are trying to score some Party political points by luring in Labour to paint themselves as Remainers. If you make a statement some way ahead of the vote – about accepting the deal – but then vote it down in the actual vote, you can excuse yourself in all sorts of ways afterwards.

        But ssshhhh! don’t make a lot of noise that about this; it may spoil it.

        What really counts is the numbers in the Ayes & Noes Lobbies 11th December.

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        • RJ says:

          I think Gove sees himself as the compromise candidate between Remainers and Leavers when the men in suits try to stop the Conservative Party tearing itself apart in a leadership election. It won’t work as he’s now hated by both sides.

          Leadsome I see as someone who had her spirit broken when she was knifed to give May a clear run without having to face a vote by party members. She still knows the difference between right and wrong, but is going to do what she’s told.

          Of course I might be wrong – as I haven’t seen this analysis on Newsnight.

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  25. StewGreen says:

    8am Local Radio news : 2 items were NGO adverts
    : Shelter : Homeless people are living in hostels
    : Grimsby Red Box : Girls are living in period poverty
    That BBC Humberside news only had 8 items altogther

    BBC Radio Lincolnshire only ran the Period Poverty advert

    FFS NGO soundbites are adverts NOT news

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  26. Fedup2 says:

    Toady 2

    Amazingly the bbc used there biased devalued ‘fact checker’ again who was wonderfully ripped a new one by a proper conservative live on air a few days ago. Perhaps his wounds have healed .

       17 likes

  27. StewGreen says:

    When we joined the EU, did we get a discount on the grounds that some of that years EU costs were pension payments for staff that had joined the EU BEFORE we were members.
    No,
    .. So why as we leave are we being asked to fund FUTURE pension payments ?

       33 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      If Trump left the UN, do you think he’d cough up for future pensions ?
      No cos a person’s pension funding belongs in the same budget year that their salary was paid.

         21 likes

      • Kaiser says:

        I will take a guess that they are all non-contributory, non funded promissory notes from the EU

        What happen to them if the EU dissolves

           4 likes

        • RJ says:

          “What happen to them if the EU dissolves”

          We all do our best not to cry. Then we give them lots of sympathy, but no money. Then we all do our best not to laugh.

             8 likes

    • G says:

      SG,
      We have to think ourselves lucky! Just imagine Diane Abbott in the Brexit Minister seat? Can’t be much worse that Treason May. I suggest an interview with our sympathetic far left Marxist State Broadcaster (aka, “The Worlds Most Trusted”) would go something like this:
      Interviewer: ‘You have negotiated a new exit fee with the EU, tell us about it’. Abbott: “Yes I’ve negotiated a massive reduction on the £39 Billion, it’s now £60 million”. Interviewer: ‘Wow! that much?’ “Yes and in return we will have to pay it immediately not over stage payments”. ‘Just to confirm again Ms Abbott, that’s £60 million?’ “Sorry, I’ve just been informed I made a mistake, it is £60 Billion”. Interviewer: ‘Well, that’s all right Ms Abbott, at least the country will understand that there is a responsible person in charge right now who has the country’s interest at heart……….’

         28 likes

    • Emmanuel Goldstein says:

      £39 billion is a very healthy pension fund.
      Maybe we’re still funding Galileo which we are being stopped from using so we will be developing our own satnav.

      Give us the Brexit we voted for, no deal and out.
      Deny us democracy at your peril ‘honourable members’

         26 likes

  28. Fedup2 says:

    The petition is 6000 short of 100000 . It can be done ( for what it is worth )

       24 likes

    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Fed -94540 at the mo.
      I’m sure we can do this, but only days left.
      Let’s all go bananas on spreading this about….
      The UN are waiting to rub our faces in the dirt, then give us a good kick up the butt, and that’s only the benign version.

         28 likes

    • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

      What’s it worth then?
      Sod all IMHO.
      So, if the will of 17.4 million people can be ignored, what’s the point in voting in a 100,000 petition?
      The referendum that was a binary choice, backed with the cast iron guarantee of a snake oil salesman.
      When one is seriously considering never voting again, except to spoil the paper, do I want to waste time on a petition?
      One thinks not.

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  29. Up2snuff says:

    Am late up this morning – good excuse, much travelling & walking on Tuesday – but arrive at TOADY just in time to hear Dominic Raab speak about where we are on Brexit.

    I thought he spoke very well but I wonder if B-BBCers noticed in one line he managed to get out without an interjection from Justinterruption Brexit-Webb?

    Like Philip Hammond last month, Raab let slip that the UK is not independent but is already a (trapped) member of a European State, something that the Remain campaign denied would ever happen in future (they are largely ignorant of the various Treaties from Rome 1957-onwards) and was certainly not the case in 2016.

    Now two MPs, one a senior Minister, one a former Minister, have said it on air.

    I wonder when the BBC will wake up and realise that in ‘doing Brexit’ we are trying to liberate our nation?

       45 likes

    • Luckyharry69 says:

      @Snuff
      also
      The terms ‘Parliamentary Sovereignty’ and ‘Advisory Referendum’ seem to have appeared more and more in the last few months…?

         20 likes

      • Up2snuff says:

        Yes they have been heard, but the BBC tend to move things on very quickly, Lucky, when they are spoken.

        Did you hear the bit at the end, about the Queen? That was telling – about the BBC and its views on Brexit – and the contributors’ position ‘spoke volumes’ as well..

           9 likes

        • Fedup2 says:

          Up2
          I’m sure the queen never forgave heath for severing connections to decent countries like Australia, Canada and New Zealand and getting involved with frogs , krauts and the Dutch – which we will have to spend a great deal of hand washing once away from them.

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          • Up2snuff says:

            Fed, that was said this morning by the ‘Palace insider’ – sorry forgotten the name. Am with HMQ on that!

            That is, in part, why I write “I think Remainers are terrified we will thrive after (a full) Brexit.” Renewal of unfettered trade with ALL Commonwealth countries and ALL nations, instead of merely exploiting & bleeding certain countries dry by stealing their doctors & nurses & engineers & scientists & programmers and builders, may be so hugely beneficial to all parties that previous EEC/EC/EU enthusiasts will be thinking (or saying) ‘Why were we wasting so much for so long by being part of the EEC/EC/EU?’.

               10 likes

    • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

      “I wonder when the BBC will wake up and realise that in ‘doing Brexit’ we are trying to liberate our nation?”

      No.

         15 likes

      • Up2snuff says:

        D_C, what do mean by no? No we are not attempting to liberate our nation? Or, no the BBC will not wake up?

        Perhaps I should have put an ‘if’ in my post? 🙂

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  30. Fedup2 says:

    Out of Blighty with spare time . Parliament channel showing Trade committee of parliament interviewing Liam Fox and the top civil servant Of trade of the draft sell out .

    It is clear that neither Fox nor his top. Civil servant have grasp of the detail of the sell out whereas some of the sharper committee members do . Make Fox look like a ‘lame duck’ along with ‘may’.

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  31. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC Online News:

    “”MPs may try to steal Brexit from British people – Liam Fox””

    “”Brexiteer cabinet minister Michael Gove has warned his fellow MPs that if they do not vote for Mrs May’s deal, they “risk there being no Brexit”.””

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46450227

    Do Fox and Gove think we are stupid? Mays deal is to Remain!

    The Remain’s tactic is to call May’s Remain document Brexit.

    Which Nazi was it who said something about telling a big enough lie often enough to make it true?

    The duty of the BBC our national broadcaster and apparently the finest in the world, is to bring this treason to our attention and demand answers.

    Some hope of THAT happening…

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  32. Dystopian says:

    Trump mocks Macron;

    “I am glad that my friend @EmmanuelMacron and the protestors in Paris have agreed with the conclusion I reached two years ago,” Trump tweeted late on Tuesday.

    “The Paris Agreement is fatally flawed because it raises the price of energy for responsible countries while whitewashing some of the worst polluters,” said Trump, referring to a global deal on the environment drafted in Paris in late 2015.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-protests/trump-mocks-macron-again-over-french-fuel-tax-protests-idUSKBN1O40M5

       43 likes

    • pugnazious says:

      Yep, about time the narrative was questioned with vigour rather than continually imposed upon the poorest without regard for the consequences and with little evidence that this is the most effective way of dealing with an issue that still lacks evidence that CO2 is the real culprit….CO2 being a useful tool for attacking capitalism and the West [of course only when it suits…. capitalism and the West are suddenly very important to maintain if, like the BBC, you oppose Brexit…then exploitative big business and 350 trucks a day going to one factory are essentials not environment destroying, air polluting monsters!]

      Brendan O’Neill in the Spectator gives his verdict if you can read it [paywalled]…

      ‘Most strikingly this is a people’s rebellion against the onerous consequences of climate-change policy, against the politics of environmentalism and its tendency to punish the little people for daring to live relatively modern, fossil-fuelled lives. This is new. This is unprecedented. We are witnessing perhaps the first mass uprising against eco-elitism and we should welcome it with open arms to the broader populist revolt that has been sweeping Europe for a few years now.
      It is a perfect snapshot of the most important divide in 21st-century Europe: that between a blinkered elite and ordinary people who’ve had as much bossing about, tax rises, paternalism and disdain as they can take. So from his presidential palace in Paris, Macron decrees that the little people of the nation must pay a kind of penance for the eco-crime of driving diesel-fuelled cars, like a modern-day Marie Antoinette deciding with a wave of the hand what is good for the plebs. It’s little wonder that the graffiti left behind following the latest uprising in Paris at the weekend compared Macron to Louis XVI and demanded that he resign.

      This leaderless, diverse revolt, packed with all sorts of people, including both leftists and right-wingers, is important for many reasons. First because it beautifully, fatally shatters the delusional faith that certain Europhiles and piners for the maintenance of the status quo have placed in Macron since his election in May 2017.
      For years we have lived in a climate of ‘You can’t say that’. You can’t criticise mass immigration — that’s xenophobia. You can’t oppose the EU — that’s Europhobia. You can’t raise concerns about radical Islam — that’s Islamophobia. You can’t agitate against climate-change policy — that’s climate-change denialism, on a par with Holocaust denialism, and anyone who dares to bristle against eco-orthodoxy deserves to be cast out of polite society. And yet now, in this populist moment, people are daring to say precisely these unsayable things. They’re standing up to the EU. They’re demanding that immigration become a democratic concern rather than something worked out for us by unaccountable bureaucrats in Brussels. And now they’re even grating against the hitherto unquestionable religious-style diktat that we must all drive less, shop less and do less in order to ‘save the planet’.
      Sadiq Khan has introduced a ‘toxicity charge’ for London’s most polluting cars. He must be quaking in his boots as he watches the events in France. Next to the vote for Brexit, the gilet-jaunes revolt is fantastically important — it shows that ordinary people have developed a powerful sense of confidence and a willingness to question absolutely everything that has been foisted upon them by the political class in recent decades. I support these revolting Frenchmen and women.’

      SChI9pOcb8zQOIhTv_RGlfoJEoMBlSOX3bT_KPtK_WM.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=1d69c1a5235606ac9f895abda4dc947385fea6a3

      The Economist’s [and the BBC’s] view of Macron…..the Macron who wants an EU empire, who loves mass immigration, big business and foreign competition…a globalist who cares not for the Frenchman and woman…so very BBC who cares not for the British man or woman…they are all too often so hideously white of course….read it and laugh….

      Electoral victory will make France’s president a potent force

      ‘Mr Macron offers a fresh answer to the popular discontent that has swept through Western democracies. He promises a new politics that ditches divisions between left and right.
      Mr Macron is the right man at the right time. Voters tired of France’s stale politics wanted an outsider. Although he comes from the establishment—he is a graduate of an elite college, an ex-banker and an economy minister under his predecessor, François Hollande—Mr Macron has never been a party man.
      Whereas most populists cleave to right and left, the Macron revolution is to the centre.
      Somehow, Mr Macron has convinced the French that progress is possible. He has hit back against populist taunts that free markets are a concession to the bankers and the globalists with refreshing patriotism—whether by crushing the hand of Donald Trump or restoring pomp to the presidency. Against warnings about immigrants and foreign competition, he asserts that both will invigorate France, not enfeeble it. To Eurosceptics who accuse Brussels of sucking the life out of the nation, he insists that, no, the EU magnifies French power.’

         31 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      ..I spot an additional Trump tweet, that the JOURNALISTS chose to omit
      \\ …in the world. I want clean air and clean water and have been making great strides in improving America’s environment.
      But American taxpayers – and American workers – shouldn’t pay to clean up others countries’ pollution.//

         36 likes

  33. pugnazious says:

    The BBC is giving a nice spin to the latest Mueller memo giving the impression that the memo indicates definite contact and collaboration between the Trump campaign and the Russians. Except of course it doesn’t.

    The memo merely states that General Flynn had been helpful in the investgation into links or coordination between Trump campaign and the Russians…now that could mean his evidence completely exonerated Trump and Co or was a damning indictment…the BBC choose the latter narrative.

    Then there is Flynn’s own contact with the Russian Ambassador….this was during the tranistion phase after the election….but the BBC don’t give that distinction much emphasis…but kind of important you might think.

    And what of ‘Michael McFaul, a former US ambassador to Moscow under Barack Obama’ who attempted to enter Russia, presumably during the campaign as he was going there to drum up support for Hllary Clinton in what he thought would be her own transition phase…ie he clearly didn’t know the election result therefore this must have been during the campaign.

    ‘Mr McFaul told the Associated Press he learned of the ban when applying for a visa to Russia to help Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton prepare for what he thought would be her transition to the White House.

    In a separate post, he wrote: “I have hundreds of friends in Russia. I’m really sorry that these sanctions will make communicating with people harder.”’

    Looks like one rule for Trump and another rule for Clinton.

    Why is Flynn’s contact with the Russian Ambassador [and that’s the Ambassador’s job isn’t it?] suspect and not Clinton’s contacts with the Russkies…inculding her bank account full of millions of Russian Roubles? Not forgetting the meeting set up in Trump Tower was with Russians who were in contact with Clinton’s campaign and those who set up the infamous dodgy dossier on Trump….the anti-Trump dossier fed to the Clinton campaign by Russian intelligence agents [as reported by the BBC journalist] and yet the BBC still insist the Russians were trying to help Trump….funny way of doing it if that is true.

    BBC not interested in all those complications though.

       26 likes

  34. StewGreen says:

    Wow the Osamor family
    Nigerian in origin there’s 3 generations with their fingers in the political pie
    The MPs son looks like a drug dealer
    The MP looks like cheating in speeding court
    and now Corbyn has appointed the Mother of ex-Labour frontbencher Kate Osamor to the house of Lords on the premise that she was a Labour Councillor.

    Apols for Daily Mail link, I have set my browser to block images from the DM website.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6452675/GUY-ADAMS-scandal-Kate-Osamors-son-living-public-purse.html

       24 likes

  35. pugnazious says:

    7795704609_des-gilets-jaunes-a-rochefort-le-24-novembre-2018.jpg

    May come in useful sooner or later…..

    Vizavee%20Reflective%20Union%20Jack%20Vest.jpg?itok=46phpjBj

       23 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      So the legal advice has been published . Northern Ireland has been sold down the river and the Irish Sea between NI and the UK mainline is to have a wall built down the middle .

      We won’t get out Ot the backstop unless the ReichEU agrees so we won’t have left the ReichEUb

      Spain , France and others will keep us in so that our seas can be emptied and Gibraltar is sold out to the Spanish .

      Any MP supporting the sell out must be punished .

      Thankfully the opinion is 6 pages long and is written in English . Even a lying outgoing PM should be able to understand it .

         42 likes

    • Loobyloo says:

      Not those jeans though, I hope

         4 likes

    • G.W.F. says:

      The People’s Assembly, Labour supporting Owen Joneseys, have hijacked the gilet jaunes

      vote_beggars.jpg?w=186&h=300

         7 likes

    • Banania says:

      Looks like a modern primary school outing.

         7 likes

  36. Celtic_Mist says:

    Banging on about Windrush again based on a report from the National Audit Office. This strikes me as odd because the functions of the NAO are – (from Wiki)

    //The National Audit Office (NAO) is an independent Parliamentary body in the United Kingdom which is responsible for auditing central government departments, government agencies and non-departmental public bodies. The NAO also carries out Value for Money (VFM) audit into the administration of public policy.//

    Has the NAO been infiltrated by the far left racists?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-46445109

       18 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      What a big mistake the Windrush was . Another example of importing people without the consent of the British voter .

      I’m watching PMlies and it looks as though the DUP is keeping its powder dry – or if a question is raised the BBC will cut away ‘and now the weather ‘ as usual

         20 likes

      • Beltane says:

        Richard Crossman and Anthony Wedgewood-Benn, along with others in the Attlee government, didn’t need consent, they instinctively knew what was best for the country – and the eventual collapse of the British Empire.
        Today we enjoy the fruits of that early vision.

           14 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      Amyas Morse is just retiring , so goes out with a bang
      It is right for NAO to consider the financial aspects of bad management, but a lot of the judgements seem to be emotional NOT financial.

         10 likes

  37. johnnythefish says:

    Briefly listened to Vine earlier (by accident) – Brexit on the menu yet again and, true to BBC form, if you had just landed from a galaxy far, far away you would be forgiven for thinking these were pre-referendum discussions debating the relative merits of leave or remain rather than why hasn’t the vote of the people been honoured by the government as promised..

    Anyway, it got me thinking: has the BBC ever, on any programme – tv or radio – seriously explored the practicalities of leaving without a deal and trading on WTO terms? From various articles I have read it seems eminently achievable if only the EU agreed to co-operate. I know I’ve partly answered my own question in terms of why the BBC shouldn’t i.e. it would show the EU up for what they are – bullying, arrogant, anti-democratic psychopaths intent on punishment rather than co-operation – but I’d still be interested to hear if this has ever been properly explored by the BBC.

       45 likes

  38. Loobyloo says:

    Should we be suspicious if the migration pact petition stops at 99,999?
    No reply from HMG anyway, I think they’re a bit busy.

       18 likes

  39. Up2snuff says:

    Do you remember way back recently when the BBC were getting in a right tizzy over the problems of foreign intervention in the Brexit Referendum and General Elections here and in the USA & elsewhere? Remember their fuss about interventions in ‘our democratic processes and institutions’?

    Well yesterday we had:
    “The UK should be able to unilaterally cancel its withdrawal from the EU, according to a top European law officer.
    The non-binding opinion was delivered by an advocate general of the European Court of Justice.
    A group of Scottish politicians has asked the court whether the UK can call off Brexit without the consent of other member states.
    The Court of Justice (ECJ) will deliver its final ruling at a later date.”
    taken from https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46428579

    Note how it is now taken out of the mainstream (if it was ever there) on the web-site and placed on the Scotland page? It was briefly mentioned on TWT last night and may have been mentioned on TOADY but I only listened from 8.10am onwards where it had the scantest of mentions.

    The Evening Standard yesterday in the first of two final editions had the front page headline:
    EUROPE TO BRITAIN: YOU CAN STOP BREXIT
    Dramatic guidance from Court of Justice (note – no European prefix) as MPs unite to block May threat of no deal.

    Please bear in mind the newspaper is Russian owned and Edited by arch-Remainer and former MP and Chancellor of the Exchequer, George Osborne. Now, I think the BBC should be making a big fuss about that foreign interference in our Parliamentary process.

    I wonder if they will?

       22 likes

  40. Fedup2 says:

    Katie Hopkins has been on twitter asking for followers to sign the petition – now at 98k .

    Strange that the far left BBC created a star of the Right by having Lord Sugar of Amstrad fire her .

    I bet the political bias of people wanting to be on the State Broadcaster is now carefully checked …

       22 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      As the BBC cut away from PMlies I followed to the end on Parliament

      A Tory backbencher raises the case of a 77 year old ex member of the armed forces being re investigated for something which happened 45 years ago .

      The camera showed a silent Tory bench with its collective head down. The killer line for this was that the man in question is a Chelsea pensioner so the cops didn’t need to worry about him running off before they arrested him . Again .

      That’s what the dysfunction law and order party of 2018 has become .

         32 likes

  41. Kaiser says:

    Its unlikely Treasoner Mayhem runs her own facebook page but the person who does must surely read some of the comments

    https://kippercentral.com/2018/12/05/resign-today-theresa-may-savaged-by-thousands-of-facebook-users-over-brexit-deal/

       12 likes

  42. s.trubble says:

    The incoherence of Labour in this whole Brexit episode has been given a soft ride by The Licence Tax trough swillers.

    Brillo had a bit of a go at that Pettifogger- Gardiner on DP. But didnt plunge the knife as he should have…maybe he was lost in the fog?

    Kuensberg looked very excited about the latest difficulties for the Govt. but surely the text of the Legal advice was very similar , even less substantive than the Attorney’s Commons disclosures.

    Surely its now simple

    Get rid of the Irish nonsense
    Retain our veto to leave if the future trade deal stalls
    Withhold a large portion of the £39 billion as out backstop should the trade deal stall or be a mirage.

       16 likes

    • pugnazious says:

      The Backstop was a massive fraud upon us used by the EU to attempt to annex NI and to lever its own way in the negotiations…both successful ploys that May went along with as she was desperate for a deal and as a Remainer doesn’t really care that the EU gets the upper hand or that NI becomes part of the EU and not Britain….her claim that the EU blinked and compromised allowing the whole of the UK to be in a customs union is laughable….that’s exactly what the EU wants.

      We can’t get out of the Backstop without the EU’s agreement and the ‘insurance’ that the EU must act in good faith is also laughable…it opens the door for endless negotiations and references to arbitration that result in us staying in the Backstop for ever…and note even when we get out, if, the Backstop is to be the basis for the future agreement…so how does that work? Where is the ‘out’? And as long as we are still in some kind of transition period we cannot actually complete any trade deals outside the EU…the EU’s gameplan is to stop us competing and May’s deal stops us changing taxes, tariffs and EU laws already in place and ties us to new ones that are made during the transition period. Basically the UK is hogtied and the EU is laughing at us.

      The Backstop should be Britain telling the EU to get stuffed if they fail to agree a fair trading partnership…if it wants to implement a hard border then do it and take the blame themselves….both the UK and Irish government have said they won’t…and all the advice is that it isn’t necessary…even the EU’s own report on the issue says this. Of course no hard border will be enforced even by the EU…this is a massive bluff meant to fool the British public. A con worked by the EU with the useful collaboration of May.

      May has absolutley betrayed Britain….she has not got control of money, laws, borders or our fisheries…look not so closely and its obvious these are smoke and mirrors disguising the truth…the EU will have the whiphand and we will have no say in things.

      Which brings us to these polls that apparently say we are against Brexit now. I don’t believe that… I think that Leave voters are against May’s Brexit [in name only] and would be more than happy to have a Brexit that they voted for not some half-in, half-out fudge that ties us eternally to the EU and is essentially us still in the EU but without any power to influence things. No wonder peope hate ‘Brexit’.

      And who is to blame? Remainers now come out and spout Brexiteer language about a ‘vassal state’ and a complete mess of a deal and yet they have for two years been complicit in its negotiation and its creation. It is the Remainers who have put every obstacle in the way to thwart, block and stop Brexit that have been the fathers of this Frankenstein deal. Had they done their duty and carried out the wishes of the democratic vote and backed a genuine Brexit and put all their effort into ensuring we had a good negotiating position we might have had a good outcome. Instead they have spent over two years undermining the British position, blocking any attempt to get a proper deal and of course in the end it will all be in vain as they demanded and got a ‘meaningful vote’ which they will use to stop Brexit.

      An irony that all these Remain MPs who speak about returning control to Parliament are the same ones also demanding a ‘People’s Vote’….the same MPs of course who originally voted for the real People’s Vote held in 2016.

      The only vote in Parliament should be one that asks if any deal actually fulfills the promises that were made about Brexit…out of the EU, out of the single market, customs union and freedom of movement. The trade deals with the EU can then be made on that basis.

         31 likes

      • Emmanuel Goldstein says:

        We didn’t vote for our MPs to have sovereignty only for their first sovereign decision to be to hand sovereignty straight back to the eu.
        If they don’t want to make our rules and laws then they should f**k off and let some true British people in to do the job they don’t want.

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        • Dover Sentry says:

          Excellent Post, Pug.

          May is the most evil of many evil players in this charade of charades.

          She kept negotiations with the EU secret. Secret so that she could commit her acts of treason beyond public scrutiny.

             11 likes

  43. Lucy Pevensey says:

    Petition @ 99,148 🙂

       13 likes

  44. pugnazious says:

    Cockroach v WASP…Katie Hopkins would be delighted at the result I’m sure….others not so much…

    Binary-Technique
    11 minutes ago
    The man recording did this on purpose….may Allah punish him for the agony he bestowed on another being

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  45. Up2snuff says:

    Remember that Christmas Tree shortage that the BBC got so worked up about?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-46449516

    Guardian front page.

    Ooops!

       8 likes

  46. Lucy Pevensey says:

    We’re there! The anti-UN petition has broken the 100,000 ceiling.

       21 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      Lucy
      Thank you – I’ve been watching too – I really hope it doubles that in the days leading upto the day when this poison is due to be signed . – the 10th i think .

         15 likes

  47. StewGreen says:

    4pm R4 Laurie Taylor playing a song “Whitey’s on The Moon”, and proudly quoting Richie Prior stereotyping white people.
    His topic White Supremacism
    : One of his examples Waco
    …. fair enough they were wackos BUT they were a mix of races , not White Supremacist.

    from Twitter
    \\ Theiala to @BBCRadio4
    It is not ok to call Matteo Salvini as ‘Trump without a tan’!
    It would be #HateSpeech to call a leader of colour ‘a man with too much tan’ # //

       8 likes

    • Thoughtful says:

      I thought it said more about the state of BBC loon Taylor that he and friend were the only two whites present in the audience at the prior concert. No other white people attended save for the extreme leftists of the BBC !

         13 likes

  48. Thoughtful says:

    I notice from Lawrie Taylor (Communist) that the BBC now have several new groups to worry about

    The far right – official BBC definition (and I have this in writing from them) anyone who opposes further Islamic Migration to the UK. or in other words around 90% of the population.

    The Hard right – anyone who is prepared to use violence in defence of their beliefs / country

    The Extreme Right – undefined but believed to be the ‘worst ‘ of the three.

    Taylor seemed incredulous that any white person would object to their countries being over run by foreign migrants, their culture destroyed, and them being reduced to second class citizens.

    A real masterclass in left wing lunacy, the man belongs in an asylum !

       43 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      Thoughtful
      I love the guilty whitee skin colour game . Today the guardian disclosed that more black people get tazered than white . I read this as the guardian encouraging the police to tazer more white people to get the numbers right .

      It also doesn’t take into account the skin colour of the copper tazering . Maybe black coppers tazer more – or black people don’t like being told what to do by black People wearing blue .

      No doubt they’ve got a quote from Lammy or Abbot or butler or the bus drivers son currently ruining London.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      I don’t think Taylor qualifies for the biased personality of the year because let’s face it – he’s just a brick short of a load .

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    • G.W.F. says:

      Lawrie Taylor’s autocue

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    • thehoiman says:

      Correction:-

      The Hard right – anyone *from England* who is prepared to use violence in defence of their beliefs / country

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  49. StewGreen says:

    Here’s an advert Twitter is taking money for


    It was pushed at me, when I search on “Laurie Taylor”
    If positive Trump messages are called “Russian propaganda” how can they take money for this anti-Trump propaganda ?

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  50. G.W.F. says:

    Savid Javid (peace be upon him) tells how he was bullied as a child at school because he was Asian.
    So he is very supportive of the Syrian boy who cleaned up over £150,000 for his pains.
    Can we assume that Savid Javid bears a grudge against the white kaffirs?
    I saw somewhere that he could be interested in replacing Treezer. If so watch out whiteys

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46425044

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    • Fedup2 says:

      GW
      I heard that interview whilst driving and almost crashed the car blobbing over the poor home sec being bullied at school

      Well I was bullied at school and beaten up by a black Gang which regularly stole dinner money .

      Their leader has about another 20 to do of a 30 year sentence . I hope he enjoys slopping out .

      To use bullying as a political badge shows how diversity is dumbing down the bubble to a dreadful level .

      If you listen to some of the dire speeches in parliament over the sell out it really is dire .

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      • Lucy Pevensey says:

        Fedup,
        I am having similar thoughts today. The people in government and our parliament. Are these really the best our country has to offer? Leadership qualities are non-existent and with few exceptions they lack character, commitment and principle. It’s embarrassing.

        I suppose it’s to be expected with a hereditary House of Lords (what an anachronism) but what about the rest of them?

        When I get around to ruling the world I’ll clear out the bloody lot of them. 😉

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    • Banania says:

      I suggest that, to be fair, every moslem pupil should be awarded a government grant of £150,000, then any future accusations of waterboarding can be ignored.

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    • Despairada says:

      So, can every kid that gets bullied a bit expect to be showered with money via online fundraising? £150,000 would fix many of my problems and those of my closest relatives.

      I’m sure that most bullying is nothing to do with race/colour/ethnicity.

      I also was bullied at school just for being a quiet little thing. It got so bad that I spent most break times hiding in the toilet cubicle where they couldn’t get at me. Also, in those days, stiff upper lip was the thing. You didn’t tell your parents.

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