Start the Week Open Thread 3 December 2018

The Far Left BBC has been silent on the poisonous UN Treaty on Migrants which the outgoing PM will sign on our behalf this week. It is a horror and shows how far the UN has become a disfunctional lefty cancer in need to urgent reform .

When the next government – of whatever type incorporates the treaty into UK law people will wonder what the hell is going on – bet the BBC won’t tell them .

 

There is a petition on the government website and I am sure some friend will put up the link in

 

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677 Responses to Start the Week Open Thread 3 December 2018

  1. StewGreen says:

    Nov 30 th James O’Brien angry again
    in Radio Times
    \\ ‘BBC impartiality means you can Chair company that publishes the Spectator, rabidly pro-Brexit and right wing (A Neil)
    …but can’t tweet against Boris’: – Sacked from Newsnight. BBC right wing exposed! //

    … But you JOB aren’t on the same level as AN
    … and your output is continuously political,
    … whereas we don’t know how AN voted.

    BTW I don’t know why the Yorkshire Post is reporting the opinions of the London radio host.. and has a photo of a London Santa run.

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  2. StewGreen says:

    Archbishop of York has come out in favour of Theresa May’s Brexit deal and warned that another referendum could potentially lead to “civil unrest and violence”
    added “Pure Brexit is a childish dream”

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    • gb123 says:

      Seeing the remark “Pure Brexit is a childish dream” got me thinking.
      Nearly every human achievement probably had someone saying the same thing. The Wright brothers (or Santos Dumont if you are Brazilian) probably had someone saying getting that thing of the air is a waste of time. When RACAL introduced a forerunner to the mobile phone people said what’s the point of that. When some bright spark thought the USA could break from Britain they were told it could not be done. What has happened to the sprit of this country?

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      • G.W.F. says:

        Here’s another childish dream. Sweep Christianity out of the Middle East, slaughter Christians and spread an alternative religion without too much opposition from Christian leaders.
        Bloody childish is wot I call it.

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    • G says:

      SG,
      Archie Bish reminds me of the Curate in ‘War of the Worlds’. 1953 was it?

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  3. Lucy Pevensey says:

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    • Dystopian says:

      Wow. Fuel goes up 7 cents and the French riot.

      Here TR gets wrongfully jailed, 1400+girls get raped, pedestrians get mowed down, stabbed and we get our democracy stolen from us, so we take to Twitter or write to our MP’s.

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  4. Payne by name says:

    I can’t understand why some on this forum and out in the world, have this belief that TM is going to pull off some technical blinder or that the deal won’t go through Parliament.

    Theresa doesn’t care about getting us a clean brexit, she doesn’t want it to be success and she wants to place this country under the boot of the EU.

    This talk, and belief, that MPs will vote against it is foolhardy and will leave many, including JRM in a position where they can’t do anything to stop it.

    Leadsom and Fox are stalling but have already been turned. Any chance of creating drama or a real change has been blown by the eeking out of resignations. You have to go shock and awe in one big hit not dribble out your hand.

    They might believe that they are keeping ‘their powder dry’ but the gun is now empty. There’s nothing to fire and this bastard sham of a ‘deal’ will go through and commit the greatest act of democratic treachery this country has seen.

    It’s a f***ing disgrace and this ridiculous ‘no after you’ chivalry and belief that the HoP will save us is childishly naive.

    Our arms are being slipped into the strait jacket whilst we still think we have a way out.

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    • Beltane says:

      With no pun intended, your observations are painfully true. Every aspect, every turn, every delay, every revision, every word of doublespeak, every betrayal has been choreographed amid sniggers and self-congratulation from the anointed.

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    • countryblues says:

      Blimey, that’s pessimistic! 😉

      Perhaps they’ll allow MPs to keep on voting until they get the ‘right’ answer? But, seriously, the biggest danger is Labour switching to support ‘The Deal’… 🙁

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  5. Lurkio says:

    All great students, no doubt. But, is this the ONLY picture they could find. And, if you watch the video, were no white girls inspired? (If this is about empowering minorities, I’ve misunderstood the message. But, it was a visit to the UK, wasn’t it?).

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/education-46405972/michelle-obama-and-me-how-former-us-first-lady-changed-my-life

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  6. Rob in Cheshire says:

    I heard on the Today programme this morning a long advertisement for a new opera about Karl Marx. I imagine it will be dreadful, as all modern opera seems to do without anything you might recognise as an actual tune.

    The composer seems to think he is the first person to find out that Marx had a rackety private life, sponging off Friedrich Engels and getting his maid pregnant. Anyone who was bothered knew this already.

    It was noticeable that Nick Robinson referred to Marx as the “great man”, but apparently he was a Young Conservative about 100 years ago, so that’s all right.

    I imagine this opera will be supported by government grants of some sort. Maybe even EU funding, who knows? Now, after its free BBC advert, it will be watched by a few of the poncier members of the metropolitan elite, who can all moan about Brexit during the interval.

    Don’t you just love paying for this shit?

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    • Old Goat says:

      For the life of me, I fail to understand why anyone does pay for it.

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      • Luckyharry69 says:

        @Goat
        I don’t……..

        (but its still important we monitor the shit because we all pay for it indirectly through other taxation I’m sure.)…..

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    • G.W.F. says:

      Rob in Cheshire

      Engels will be played by a Soprano, who is a black transvestite and lesbian. The maid who was seduced by Marx will appear as a Muslim, showing how not all victims of sexual abuse are by the grooming gangs.

      As in all operas there will be a chorus, and this will represent the proletariat, played by Grenfellians and Momentums from the yoonies

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    • Anne says:

      I shouldn’t start worrying just yet, it’s for performance in Bonn.

      His “shit” has been performed in Glasgow, Paris, Iowa, Gothenburg, Boston, Pittsburgh, Munich, Austin, New York, Adelaide, San Francisco, Leipzig, Edinburgh, Ghent and Barcelona, so there must be a lot of “ponces” around.

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  7. StewGreen says:

    9pm BBC1 I suppose you’ll be watching Nadiya travel around Asia
    She’s flogging her range of homeware on Twitter
    Isn’t that too much like using BBC for advertising ?
    £10 for 2 tea towels, £7.50 for a mug etc.
    https://nadiyahussain.shop/

    \\ Nadiya Hussain is publishing a new narrative non-fiction book called Finding My Voice, exploring the many different roles assigned to her by gender, culture, society and religion.

    The book will publish in hardback in October 2019, after Lindsey Evans, publishing director at Headline Home, bought world rights from Anne Kibel at A K Artist Management.

    In the book, devoting each chapter to a different role, Hussain will write about all of her various identities: from ‘daughter’ and ‘sister’, as part of a large family growing up in Luton, to ‘devout Muslim’, while culturally torn between two countries, and, on entering an arranged marriage, ‘wife’ and ‘mother’ herself. It will also cover her thoughts on becoming a celebrity after winning “The Great British Bake Off”, with the later chapters covering her more recent roles of ‘baker’, ‘Twitter handle’ and ‘TV presenter’.//
    https://www.thebookseller.com/news/nadiya-hussain-finds-her-voice-headline-901621

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    • Despairada says:

      and the really depressing thing is that some people will actually want to buy this book

      She has no more genuine talent of her own than Jade Goody (RIP) did.

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  8. Loobyloo says:

    Brexit backstop plan is calculated risk – Geoffrey Cox http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46419790

    This lead article shows plainly the bias of the bbc towards staying in the EU. So, the AG thinks it is a calculated risk that Britain should take, as we all know that the EU is such a reliable and generous neighbor who respects our sovereignty. The facts are mentioned a little further down the article but in muted tones…cross party bid to get a contempt of parliament (why isn’t this the headline as with Sky), AG thinks we could be indefinitely linked to the EU as a result of the backstop.
    How much more of this can May survive? She is so truly awful that I’m convinced there are mighty powers at play here.
    Worrying times.

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    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      We have just seen a two year period of “negotiation” with the EU, which turned out, as anyone could have foreseen, to be a punishment beating for the UK for having the temerity to ask to leave the EU.

      Any British government with a spine would have told Barnier, Juncker and Tusk to stuff themselves. Theresa May just took it all.

      Now, she proposes a “withdrawal” treaty which will bind us to all EU laws, but without any influence, and she seems to think the EU will negotiate in “good faith” to release us! What is this mad woman smoking?

      In the great tradition of Newspeak, the “withdrawal” treaty is a blueprint for a perpetual status as an EU economic colony. No self respecting sovereign state would entertain this travesty for a second. The fact that Theresa May and her cabinet of eunuchs, gimps and B’stards is actually proposing this heap of horseshit to Parliament just proves what a total liability she is.

      The Conservative Party had better get rid of Theresa May and her dreadful “deal”, or the country will get rid of the Conservative Party.

      I wouldn’t miss them.

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  9. Fedup2 says:

    Excellent – the Spanish prime minister is going to “defend democracy” because ‘VOX’ got more votes than anyone expected .

    VOX has a thing about third worlders coming acrocc the med via the UN minicab service .

    Democracy only applies is it’s the right sort apparently.

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    • StewGreen says:

      I suspect Vox got more votes than expected cos journalism unions say that you must not give positive coverage of things someone labels “Far-Right”
      I read the Times on Saturday “Vox.. is expected to seize up to five seats in the Andalusian regional parliament election tomorrow.” then I stopped reading on the grounds that the report was speculation NOT news, so I shouldn’t waste my time on it.
      and all I need to do was WAIT for the the actual result .

      Look at the difference between the Times prediction of i up to 5 seat, vs the actual result of 12 won
      And these are media people that say they have the right to decide what is “fake news” and ban it from Facebook

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  10. StewGreen says:

    (the real) Irish Times : “There is nothing in WTO rules that forces anyone to put up border posts,” said WTO spokesman Keith Rockwell on a visit to Dublin last week.
    “Someone has to bring a complaint and say that their interests have been hurt.”
    The Geneva organisation insisted that it would not impose checks along the Irish border.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/wto-says-its-rules-would-not-force-eu-or-uk-to-erect-hard-irish-border-1.3710136

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  11. Dover Sentry says:

    A friend of mine works for a Government department in London. He has a senior position. But he can’t amend the requirement for their ‘Christmas Party’ to be called a ‘Winter Party’.

    There are many ethnics in the organisation, and strangely enough they don’t care if it’s called a ‘Christmas Party’.

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    • G says:

      DS,
      My own personal observations confirm to me that, the, “…many ethnics….” is the vast proportion. Probably 70-80%. That was early 2000’s for me, attending meetings monthly with Government departments and visiting the HoC. It can only be worse now.

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  12. English Lass says:

    The Speaker has agreed that by not publishing the full legal advice on Brexit, the PM may be in contempt of Parliament.
    Time to open that 48th letter.

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    • StewGreen says:

      The BBC’s headline spins Bercow
      he said COULD not HAS
      Bercow says ‘arguable case’ government guilty of contempt of Parliament over Brexit legal advice

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  13. Dover Sentry says:

    Many on here are unhappy with Farage.

    But he did warn back in 2016 when the Brexit vote was won, that the war had now begun against the elite.

    This was the national mood on the day. Let us not forget.

    Farage gave the best years of his life for the cause.

    And still, the BBC hate him.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      BBC living saint – David mcboatface Attenborough tells the world we re all doomed unless we pay more taxes to keep polar bears alive .

      What David doesn’t get s that whilst the like of he and the other wealthy bubble dwellers get angsty about alleged changing the climate – others without a lot of spare cash are expected to pick up the tab.

      As big bits of the world drag themselves out of poverty and living like westerners they’ll be burning carbon like it’s just been invented – so on the Attenborough model we re all doomed anyway .

      He goes on about unrest – maybe he should look at some of those videos of Paris to see what the effect of some idiot falling for the climate change lie and putting up energy taxes .

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      • Roland Deschain says:

        How did all these delegates get to the conference? I’ll bet it wasn’t by bicycle.

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      • Lucy Pevensey says:

        Fedup,

        In the 1980’s popstar Sting came out of the rainforest in the company of an Indian chief with a weird pagan thing on his bottom lip. They assured us that in 20 years we would all be dead because of deforestation and it was OUR fault due to our Western lifestyle.

        We’re still here & so are the Indians. 😉
        220px-Raoni_and_singer_Sting.jpg

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        • Yasser Dasmibehbi says:

          Thirty years ago I attended a packed meeting in Wellington, where I heard Teddy Goldsmith tell us us quite confidently and authoritatively that capitalism was going to collapse within ten years. Probably sooner. Fifteen years at the utmost. Yes, well, I think we have given that prophecy enough leeway. I might has well have listened to Chicken Little.

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          • BigBrotherCorporation says:

            Doomsayers like to sprinkle their prophecies with specific dates, it lends their rantings an air of authenticity they otherwise seem to lack. Best of all is if you can quote a definite date in the future when you won’t be around to take the flak if (when) it doesn’t come true, which is easier to do if you’re of a certain vintage and unlikely to be here much longer.

            Anyway, I’d be much more open minded about the whole thing, if it hadn’t been hijacked and converted into some kind of crazy, millennial/apocalyptic religion. Far from convincing me the ‘deniers’ are definitely wrong, the BBC banning them from ‘debates’ sounds suspiciously like they are on shaky ground, and know it, to me.

            We need to deal with pollution better, I think they’re right about that, but the biggest problem (by far) is global population (and global attitudes to consumerism/waste disposal), and the elephants in the room there are not the UK (which is actually pretty good on both birth rate and safe/ethical waste disposal). To me this ‘climate change’ obsession is a red herring, and distracting from the real environmental issues of today – if St. David actually tackled those head on, challenging Africa, Pakistan, and Indonesia to deal with their incontinent birth rates, and China, India, Africa, and Indonesia
            to sort their waste disposal problems, I’d have a lot more respect for the man. Instead he picks on an easy target, the hand wringing, self loathing, guilt laden, white, ‘educated’ Europeans.

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            • Halifax says:

              I used to work with a guy a lovely person and he said that his church leader has prophesied the end of the world on the 18th September 1994 (Tuesday) Taking his teaching seriously my colleague booked the day off work. A true story and one that makes me chuckle to this day.

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        • Fedup2 says:

          I realise ‘sting’ is the one on the right but who is the girl on the left please ?

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    • theisland says:

      Dover
      It is sad to see people who are essentially on the same side at odds with each other when the need for unity is now greater than ever. For all his perceived faults, there is no doubt that NF is still a valuable voice for Brexit.

      I realised during the referendum campaign that it was best to ignore any personal like/dislike of the main players and just focus on the issues. This is something the likes of the bBC are incapable of doing.

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    • Banania says:

      “And still, the BBC hate him.”
      That should be “and so of course the BBC hate him”.

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  14. Fedup2 says:

    24 000 votes needed to get a parliamentary debate considered for the UN migrant treaty sell out . Please tell your friends . This one could be as important as Brexit .

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  15. Lobster says:

    Why can’t we have MPs like this?

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  16. Dystopian says:

    I came across reference to the following website. Interestingly, the link was restricted through my Sky broadband shield settings.
    Some of it makes interesting reading and goes some way to making sense of what is going on around us. I’m not so sure about conspiracy theories but the new world order stuff does make me wonder. I’m not really religious either, so I could suspect ulterior motives with some of the bible references.
    However, I’m open minded and still found this interesting….

    “The Media as Gatekeepers
    It’s important to understand another propaganda function of the media. Gatekeepers are those who mediate the flow of messages in the news media, small groups, and organizational networks. Gatekeeping occurs at all levels of the media structure – from a reporter deciding which sources are chosen to include in a story to editors deciding which stories are printed or covered, and includes media outlet owners and even advertisers. If you believe you are getting the truth from the news media, including the alternative media, consider this…

    What’s important is not always WHAT is reported, but more often WHAT IS NOT reported. You may be getting little bites of truth from time to time in the media, but more often there are huge chunks of truth being withheld from you.”

    Credit ‘jeremiahproject.com’

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  17. StewGreen says:

    Tonight’s BBC 6pm news
    seemed to open with
    : the BBC Party top POLITICAL bod David Attenborough
    and have a large seg from
    : the BBC Party top POLITICAL bod Michelle Obama

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    • Payne by name says:

      I don’t know why anyone refers to the BBC as news. It really is a disgustingly blatant bout of mind thought. No attempt to tell you what is going on in the world, just a daily massive dump of ‘approved’ thinking.

      I never considered myself a conspiracy nut but the endless direction and suggestion of how to ‘enlighten’ your thinking is shocking.

      It’s shocking but the worst thing is that it has no counter, no opposite voice to balance the field. At least in the US, they have Fox to offer an alternative. In the UK, there is just one thing on the menu.

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  18. StewGreen says:

    Times : A university founded by the billionaire philanthropist George Soros says that it has been driven out of Budapest by a state-orchestrated campaign of “low tricks, propaganda and lies”
    Times use weasel words

    “in what *is said* to be the first forced eviction of a European university since the Stalinist terrors in the 1950s.
    It also represents the *first eviction of a university* in the history of the European Union.

    Bottomline Soros U CHOSE to leave, and are CLAIMING they cannot recruit new students now
    but the report shows no evidence to back this claim.
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hungary-drives-out-university-founded-by-george-soros-7qxtn6mld

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  19. StewGreen says:

    Ofcom have saved the world
    ..by saying Jimmy Carr can’t say that Jews often have big noses

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Stew
      Did he really say this ? Is there a you tube ?
      Luckily the only thing I know about that character is that he is a proven tax avoider whilst moralising about this and that .

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      • BigBrotherCorporation says:

        Fedup, Jimmy Carr is a ‘comedian’ who has made a (very good) living out of saying offensive things about people on air whilst maintaining a straight face and claiming it’s ‘humour’.

        To be honest, I’m amazed he’s managed to get this far without upsetting more PC apple carts, or in today’s parlance ‘triggering snowflakes’. I guess his particular brand of ‘genius’ is avoiding any ‘snowflake triggers’ and going for low hanging fruit, like ‘gammons’, ‘Brexiteers’, ‘Tories’, and now it seems ‘Jews’ too. Only, even some snowflakes aren’t entirely comfortable with Momentum style Jew bashing.

        As regards Jews and noses, a lot of Jews do have big noses, I’m allowed to say that because I’m a bit of a Cyrano de Bergerac myself, although (as far as I’m aware) I have no Hebrew ancestry, so clearly the two aren’t necessarily linked.

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        • Fedup2 says:

          Thank you big
          I suppose he makes fun of followers of the profit Mohammed too right ?

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          • BigBrotherCorporation says:

            Fedup – I feel like I might have given the wrong impression there, so, just to clarify, I am in NO way a fan of Mr Carr, or his ‘humour’.

            Having cleared that up (hopefully), I can’t say I’ve watched him much (don’t have a BBC licence now anyway), but I’d be prepared to wager that a thorough search of Mr Carr’s back catalogue wouldn’t reveal a single ‘postbox’ joke, although Christians (of all denominations) are clearly considered ‘fair game’ as well as Jews.

            It seems to be Monty Python season on Netflix, I’ve seen most of the films before, but am too young to be familiar with their TV series. The humour is very hit and miss, and now often dated, but at least it is sometimes funny (unlike most contemporary ‘comedy’).

            I had noticed they weren’t shy about making ‘anti-Semitic’ jokes (and ‘racist’, ‘sexist’, ‘anti cis-gender’, ‘anti trans-gender’ etc…), but then they seem to have joked about everything and everyone, including themselves, and the followers of all religions, including those of the prophet – blessings be upon them. My overall impression is of a complete irreverence and desire to poke fun at everything, which seems harmless and indiscriminate to me.

            To me the issue is not so much the making of odd jokes about particular groups (even ‘offensive’ ones, and even when I’m the target) as the way in which some groups are consistently discriminated in favour of, and others against… which strikes me as not just unequal and unfair, but potentially sinister too. When this kind of partisanship appears to have the staunch backing of not just our media (virtually all of it, not just the BBC), but our Government and educational institutions as well, I’d say it is worrying.

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          • Loobyloo says:

            Saw a clip of him recently, where at least he was honest enough to admit that he can’t joke about Muslims if he values his life.

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        • countryblues says:

          I’ve only seen Jimmy Carr a couple of times…usually whilst channel hopping…and I genuinely never knew he was supposed to be a ‘comedian’!

          I just don’t understand humour these days… 🙁

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        • G.W.F. says:

          Long time since I heard this song as a child in school
          And the Lord said unto Moses
          All the Jews shall have round noses
          All except Aaron
          Cos he gets a square ‘ un.

          It was a child’s rhyme with no anti semitism attached.

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        • LynetteO says:

          Sorry I can’t let your comment that a ‘lot of Jews do have big noses” go unchallenged because it is a complete myth made up by the Nazi regime in Germany to try and distinguish all Jews by their looks . It was in all propaganda films then and repeated throughout Europe. A stereotypical Jew is always portrayed with a long nose even today. This is an example of what happens when a myth is told again and again and why it is important to counter BBC lies before they become acccepted as truths.

          The poem is definately anti Semitic as the Jews are decended from Aaron . In Singing in the Rain the rhyme is “Moses supposes his toeses are roses ” – a much more agreeable rhyme than the Anti semitic one just quoted. My mum grew up in South Africa, and was taught that the black people had smaller brains. British ingrained anti Semitism allows for these myths and insults to flourish .

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  20. taffman says:

    Unable to find it on Al Beeb in Wales?…………………

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  21. Payne by name says:

    Jesus, I saw part of a clip yesterday of TM on the TV talking about the ‘hard work’ that had gone into the ‘deal’.

    What an absolute joke. Hard work? What hard work love?

    The hard work of selling out your country, the hard work of caving to virtually every demand the EU made, the hard work of giving £39 billion of other peoples money because someone asked for it, the hard work of shackling the country into something that it will struggle to leave for years to come.

    Give me a break. Our wonderful Brexit dream is doomed and we have a PM that should go down in history as the most treacherous leader that we’ve ever had. My contempt for her and her kind burns like the centre of the sun.

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  22. Halifax says:

    Much celebrations at the BBC as the 2021 European Women’s football championship is comming to England for the first time since 2005. England managed to pull off this remarkable achievement against bids from…..errr no one else bothered to bid. No doubt the BBC will bid for the rights when they tell us they have to recind the over ( predomenently white users) 75 free TV licence.

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  23. Beeb Brother says:

    “DJ sorry for twerk question to female Ballon D’Or winner.”

    The player herself was not even offended.

    To be ‘offended’ all the time is annoying, unhealthy, and destroys free speech – without which there will be far more genuinely ‘offensive’ problems that are not dealt with. But to be offended on someone else’s behalf really is appalling. To then write a ‘news’ story about it? What a beauty, as Trump would say.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Beeb
      I’m offended that you are not offended and am offended that others here are not offended – er -I think .
      What’s twerking ?

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      • Dystopian says:

        “What’s twerking ?”

        It’s what the people of Yorkshire do on a weekday-they go t’ work!

        Seriously, it’s supposedly dancing but is basically shaking ones arse a in what I’d say looks like a tribal Zulu “dance” ritual!

        It’s what coppers do at carnivals when their supposed to be on duty.

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        • Fedup2 says:

          Dyst
          Thank you for your description – I think there might be health and safety issues if I were to try and ‘shake my a**e’ as you so vividly describe …

          Surely whoever presented the prize and made such an odious comment should lose his livelihood , home , wife children and future – typical men meh

          More seriously the Parliament petition signing has slowed down – maybe the bbc could give it some advertising – or the daily mail – perhaps that’s not likely anymore .

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  24. JamesArthur says:

    Anothe storm in a b cup….even I as a non football person know that some female players have twerked when scoring a goal…the PC brigade have no sense of humour..what sad world they must live in..it can’t even be described as a black and white life…

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  25. yohodi says:

    Caught up with BBCs Hardtalk (4:40 this morning.. Yeah I know)..
    If you can bear Stephen Sachurs’ interruptor interview technique ….Beeb training manual…
    Owen Paterson is worth a watch…just sayin’..

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Sachur – ugh .

      Toady watch

      Comrade Robinson fell off his chair when it was announced that some dodgy European ( ReichEU) court came out with an ‘opinion’ that Blighty can recant from A50 without reference to other states .

      Well isn’t that nice . ?

      Obviously European courts just do as they are told even more than UK courts so no surprise .

      The positivity in Robinson’s voice was positive – his desire to see the democratic vote of over 17 million people overturned is quite something – but we’ re all thick arn’t we ?

      As an aside – I’ve noticed that without planning – I’m reducing being subjected to BBC products more and more … without yet going to ‘prime’ or Netflix . I notice it by not even looking at schedules for tv or wireless . Gave up on the dire ITV and c4 long ago …. I think it’s catching on…

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      • Roland Deschain says:

        That’s another piece of the jigsaw in place. “I tried my best,” May will say when the deal is rejected as intended. “There is no choice now but to withdraw our Article 50 application”.

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      • theisland says:

        Here is the legal ‘opinion’ of the Advocate General:
        https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2018-12/cp180187en.pdf
        Timed to perfection to assist the traitors.

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        • G says:

          theisland,
          I don’t follow: Para.4
          “In today’s Opinion, Advocate General Manuel Campos Sánchez-
          Bordon a considers that none of the conditions which, according to the Court’s case-law,….”
          What “case law”? Is it not a fact that the UK’s Art.50 Notice was the first – ever………………

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          • theisland says:

            G
            I don’t understand either, but what is clear is that the ‘opinion’ will be used by the usual suspects as yet another diversion to delay, obfuscate and try to stop us getting a clean break (‘no deal’), whether by initially extending Art. 50, revoking Art. 50 – if the ECJ agrees, and/or by some other devious route.
            A co-ordinated stitch up, as we know.

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  26. Fedup2 says:

    Seems like the government line is the ‘sell out ‘ isn’t perfect – and the bbc line is ‘ we are all bored with it ‘ .

    Whatever happens at the end of this process ( if there ever is one before rejoining sets in ) the people will have a long hard look at these politicians – I hope .

    Maybe – bring in PR – move the parliament out of London – let those mini nations have independence – total independence – abolish the House of Lords – sell off institutions like the failing BBC , health industry and education .

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  27. Fedup2 says:

    Island
    Thank you – unusually short – but invalid . The proper way to approach this would have been to examine the intention of those who drafted A50 in the first place .

    Due to its brevity – and admission by one of the UK civil servants who drafted it ( interviewed last year if I remember ) there wasn’t much thought out into a withdrawal process because – after all – who would ever want to withdraw from the wonderful EU ?

    I just hope that with less than 120 days to go it will be to late to do anything but leave without agreement of giving our cash to those monsters for nothing .

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  28. AsISeeIt says:

    Laddish behaviour

    BBC news this morning are keen to impress me with the fact that one of their Panorama reporters got in undercover to a secure immigration detention centre and managed to film G4S guards indulging in ‘laddish behaviour’.

    BBC man Danny Shaw pops into the News Channel studio to present this BBC-sourced story and its updates. You’ll recall Danny Shaw as the journo named in the Cliff Richard court case who couldn’t seem to quite get his story straight with that given by his BBC colleague Dan Johnson. BBC lads, eh?

    Anyway I’m going to make the obvious point that although the BBC can hire helicopters supposedly to expose a child exploitation case when they feel the need and can even slip a mole with a camera into a top security prison when it suits they never did manage to catch child grooming leading to organised rape happening on the streets of Rotherham, Rochdale etc etc etc. This despite the BBC’s apparent close links to the police – the South Yorkshire force in particular.

    I suppose media organisations have their priorities.

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    • JimS says:

      Might it not be illegal to take photographs in a secure immigration centre?
      If it is and if the wrong sort of ‘right-wing-activist had been doing it they would never see the light of day again.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Asiseeit

      I get the impression that most diverse beeboids are wimmin so the Pakistani paedo rape gangs wouldn’t be allowed to touch them for cultural reasons .

      And they’d get their bits chopped off by the extended family .

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  29. LastChanceSaloon says:

    2018-12-02 New thread, by TrueToo “Emily Maitlis chairs an Intelligence Squared debate”; 10 responses (all figures correct as of my posting this).
    2018-11-28 New thread, by Fedup2 “Biased BBC personality of the year”; 118 responses.
    2018-11-25 New thread, by Fedup2 “Sellout Sunday thread 25 November 2018”; 116 responses.
    2018-11-21 New thread, by TrueToo “Rupert Wingfield-Hayes of the BBC is named…”, 40 responses.
    Four recent new threads, created in response to some event deemed worthy of separate attention, welcomed by me.

    2018-12-01 New thread, by Fedup2 “Weekend Open Thread 1 December 2018”; 245 responses.
    2018-11-28 Reserved for midweek thread.
    2018-11-26 New thread, by Fedup2 “Start the Week Open Thread 26 November 2018”; 647 responses.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      site admin issues only here…

      Last chance

      Thank you for the stats . In response to past comments I try to not let the thread get too long but I realise that by ‘ moving on’ the content of previous threads and the effort good people take to add their view can get missed because of ‘ events’ .
      Some thread in the last got to over 1000 posts ..

      I view my comments equal to every one else as I am only helping ‘ administer ‘ not running the site yet ( power!) so I don’t put up specialist subjects very often but do if prompted .

      I have difficulty at the moment trying to work out how the ‘ biased BBC personality of year ‘ should be awarded . I have my favourite .

      I might just go over the thread and see who gets nominated most but that might unbalance the toxic efforts of bbeeboids in the last 10 months .

      Hope this helps .

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  30. pugnazious says:

    The corrupt political class that Brexit was so much a vote against is being given the opportunity to decide whether it will vote for Christmas. We hear cries of ‘You voted to give control back to Parliament and so we’re using that control’…except of course those who voted to leave didn’t vote to give control to a Parliament that immediately gives control back to Brussels as will happen regardless of the vote of the 11th….either way Brussels wins, or so the Remainers believe.

    Surely the only question that Parliament should be voting on is ‘Does this deal deliver what was promised to those who voted to leave the EU….ie Brexit…leaving the single market, the customs union and freedom of movement?’ Clearly, despite what May claims, the deal does not deliver one of those things. Therefore Parliament should reject it but then demand a renegotiation on the true basis of what was promised to the Leave voters. Parliament is asking if May is in contempt for not publishing the legal advice…I might suggest Parliament is in contempt for not carrying out the instruction given to it by the British people.

    May’s hopeless deal makes us the plaything of the EU and Remianers hope that to vote it down will open the door to more surrender and compromise in a new deal or a second referendum and probable pro-EU vote…they hope.

    May has calculated that most Brexit voters are older, are more conservative and are less likely to riot than the excitable Remain voters. She thinks her deal will steamroller Leavers and they will supinely accept this without protest.

    Looking across the Channel to France and you may think if a corrupt Parliament fails us and sells us out to the EU that donning a yellow vest might be the only solution to a political order that is so contemptuous of democracy and the People.

    Curious how the BBC never manages to ask such nuanced questions….such as is Parliament contemptuous of the vote, why are the only options a no deal Brexit, and most MPs have decided they will block that…so in fact only one option apparently now….remain in the EU [surely the real reaction is to renegotiate the deal but the BBC never, ever raises that as the solution], what would happen after a second referendum and what would Britain’s position be in the EU should we reverse Brexit and remain in the EU?

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Pug

      That’s very simple EU army , Euro , drive on the right , give up Gibraltar and NI . Common higher taxes . End of Common Law . EU constitution. . United States of Europe . We’d be the North West Region.

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      • notinmyname says:

        Or Airstrip One

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        • Fedup2 says:

          Notinmyname

          I think you are right on the ‘airstrip one ‘ line – I’d say that we were that from 1941 to 1945 out of necessity with our gallant American brothers .

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      • RJ says:

        I think the EU would want England, Scotland and Wales to be classed as three different Regions – divide and rule. Unless Berlin found it more convenient to keep us together as the “General Government”.

        Perhaps Dan Snow could make a BBC programme on the General Government so that we would know what to expect.

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    • Banania says:

      How would MPs actually block a WTO Brexit?

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Banania

        They could vote on a motion to withdraw A50 and revoke the Act which is due to take us out of the ReichEU at the end of March .

        Arguably to be credible the commons would need the support of a new referendum to do this but it’s not legally required .

        Warning – I did a bit of constitutional law but am not a lawyer and would not be offended to be put right .

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  31. theisland says:

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    • Fedup2 says:

      It doesn’t help much when prosecuting authorities go after military and police fighting terrorists during the 30 year war .

      Like many I’d have shot so many terrorists that their supporters would not have the wall space or time to stick their evil faces up and the like of mcguinness and ADams would have gone decades ago .

      Next time I don’t think the Boston yanks will moan so much and thankfully the Kennedys are mainly gone

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  32. s.trubble says:

    Listening to the select committee on bBC with the 3rd lad playing the role of EU Exit Minister supported by Olly Robbins.

    have to say Olly sounded plausible …but how could he have ended up with this concoction designed by the EU to inflame the constitution of the UK by interfering in;

    1) The Irish Border( and undermining the DUP)
    2) Giving Sturgeon a platform to try for a second Scottish Independence vote
    3) The elimination of any example where the EU would suffer every bit as much of the UK in the event of a poor deal let alone this appalling Withdrawal Agreement.

    Olly, we pay for you same as the bBC —–we deserve better.

    And if the WD is voted down any renegotiation must be lead or at least supported by the Brexit side of the debate.

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  33. JimS says:

    Radio 3 this morning has the usual ‘BBC Dinner Party’ guest, (no ‘dangerous’ views there!), and the subject turns to the French who are patriotic to the core and regard their nation and heroes as top of the pile, (clearly a good thing).

    Unlike the British..
    ..Nigel Farage, The Daily Express! [BBC host sniggers].

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  34. countryblues says:

    Man caught throwing a banana skin at a football match says he can’t possibly be a racist because he’s a Greek Cypriot.

    Does being a Greek Cypriot exonerate him? I’m not sure of their position in the victimhood league table… 🙁

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  35. countryblues says:

    BBC TV : Smugness Control…

    Anyone know where the smugness control is? Mine seems permanently stuck on 11… 🙂

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  36. TrueToo says:

    This house believes the left is losing it way was the motion before the Cambridge Union last week.

    It’s fairly tedious, but there was a magic moment when a far left speaker was challenged from the floor re Labour anti-Semitism and won considerable applause in this debate between the left and the far left.

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  37. Fedup2 says:

    News which the BBC will bury

    Macron defeated by populism over taxation.

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  38. JimS says:

    Our Attorney General tells us that Mrs May’s ‘deal’ can lock us into EU control indefinitely and Jeremy Vine discusses the quality of his voice.

    Perhaps Geoffrey Cox might have a place in next season’s Strictly?

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  39. Rich says:

    Daily Politics, bBBC2.

    It seems that Jo Coburn is particularly keen to make sure that the guests don’t talk over the top of each other. Unless of course you’re Angela Eagle (Remain) toeing the bBBC party line on the rise of the “far-right” in Europe and talking over Suzanne Evans (Leave), then it seems you’re given the right to reply to a point you stopped from being made in the first place.

    And Johnny Mercer, I know it’s hard to criticise someone who’s served three Afghan tours, but, that’s as a soldier. As a politician, what a complete wet. Any politician who remains undecided as to how he will vote next week, and apparently appeals for help from the bBBC to make this decision, should find a career better suited to him and better for the 70% of the voters he represents in parliament who voted to Leave. Judging by his regular forays into the media world, I think he already has one in mind.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      The far left describe anyone who does t agree with them as far right . Imagine if there was really a ‘ far right ‘ ( one for the state monitoring file )

      As for decent people who become politicians -that building -Westminster – just corrupts them with dumb traditions and rules . If you go in there you can feel it .

      They all take on a role and forget about us . That’s why they all want to be peers – no tedious voters to worry about ( see lord Haigs latest nonsense )

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    • Banania says:

      Angel Eagle! The plaintive mewing of a seagull. She manages always to speak over the top of others, however many others are speaking.

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  40. s.trubble says:

    Anyone else think the Attorney was as clear as he could ever be about the advice he gave to Ministers?

    Anyone listening to that with enough sense to be able to vote would have put 2 and 2………….and converted it to….”sign this and go straight to jail….do not collect 200 quid but prepare to hand over £39 squillions”and no parole.

    The bBC too busy getting a stiffy when hearing about holding the Govt in contempt……..to report it honestly.

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  41. Lucy Pevensey says:

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  42. Beltane says:

    Probably too much to hope that Treesa dips in on this site, but here’s a question worth pondering.
    Since it seems painfully apparent that the EU commission is set on a ritualised program of UK humiliation – pour encourager les autres – and that she is fully prepared to accept this on our behalf, is she not deeply depressed by the knowledge that we have no support from others within the 27?
    This sad reality should force her to one of two conclusions:
    One. The principal EU countries – primarily Germany with France desperate to keep up the illusion of parity – have so cowed the satellite nations that they dare not express or exhibit any support whatsoever for our position.
    Two. All 27 member countries of the EU so dislike and despise both the UK and its relationship with the EU, despite our massive contribution to the benefits they enjoy, that they are happy to sit back and watch what they evidently hope to be our disintegration, decline and fall from the grace.
    Either option begs the question, what possible reason or benefit might there be in wanting to remain a member of such a flawed, spiteful and juvenile organisation?

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    • Beltane says:

      I think it worth adding that, while it would be a result if Treesa were to publicly pose the questions above, the conclusions are equally pertinent to remainers as much as leavers.

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  43. English Lass says:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Clivedwilson/status/1068651794388185089
    To make you smile and – not smile!!!
    It makes you really aware jokes or not, why the EU need this deal to succeed.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Excellent . BBC reporting that a copper who a criminal off a moped could get charged with assault .
      I’m assuming that’s the end of that tactic and the cops will return to letter robbers go free .

      I’d object if they reversed their cars over them once bought down -but not that much .

      I suppose cops get points on their licence and have to tell their own insurance company …?

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      • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

        It’s only a matter of time before the ambulance chasers at ‘where theres …… theres a claim’ or some such legal eagle ( other companies are available) get onboard this wide open goal that our stupid PM has apparently approved.
        When one who gets killed happens to be a moslem the crap will hit the fan with a vengeance. There again, shooting unarmed brazilians gets you promoted to commissioner, so, what do I know?

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    • StewGreen says:

      @EnglishLass’s tweet video

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      • Dave S says:

        Very funny. What they are going to have to do is print billions of Euros. This will make the bankers richer and the rich even richer. The peasants of Europe- that is us- are going to have to pay for it even unto the great great great grandchildren ‘s generation.

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  44. StewGreen says:

    R2 Jeremy Vile show
    opened with a 30 min advert for the socialists at the Joseph Rowntree doing poverty porn.

    … They’ll never admit that many people feel that they can’t make ends meet, but have too many children and extravagant spending like Sky TV , lavish birthdays, lots of pets etc.

    Then it was a series of Labour Unionists talking about when Lucas Aerospace was closed.

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    • StewGreen says:

      It’s so tiresome that
      : the socialist side shout “Tory cuts” even tho incomes are higher than ever
      : the gov side never admits that rents are massive compared to the past.
      So it can make a huge difference to a family if they have support from their own parents.
      Gordon Brown had the opportunity to stop the house price boom , but didn’t and the Tories followed on the same.

      Thus Rowntree shout and gov just contadict them
      .. Their is never proper detailed debate
      ..eg one NGO claimed women were being drawn into prostitution yet their example woman had only ever earned £60 from it, and just used that to buy petrol to travel to the NGO’s cafe.

      YP just repeats Rowntrees grand claims ‘a third of kids’ are in poverty, 14 million people are in poverty.

      There are only ever two people hanging around the supermarket for 90% off veg time : me and the local church warden, not a queue of one parent families.

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      • Rich says:

        Stew,

        Here’s a simple example of similar Rowntree-based nonsense.

        The Social Fund, a DWP loans and grant scheme supposed to help the most needy on benefits provide themselves with the basics in times of need, once had a Commissioner who believed that , and this was about 15 years, £250 was an appropriate amount to give someone, through a grant to set them up in a new home and because their child had asthma, to buy themselves a new hoover. A directive is then issued to the people processing the grant applications to make sure that when you get given a flat where if in real poverty a brush would have to do, our Govt. will make sure you get a Dyson. And the money is given to you to spend where you like because making it out to an electrical shop for the item you are given the award for would violate your “right of choice” and affect your “self esteem”. And when it breaks after a year because you bought a second-hand item down the pub, which could be a hoover, a cooker, a deep fat fryer, or a fridge, that God forbid might start a fire in the flats you live in, they’ll give you the same money again to replace it.

        Needless to say the Rowntree Foundation provided much of the guidance heeded by Govt. on such widespread largesse and wastage and are still driving the false sense of entitlement that they helped create and that so many expect today.

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        • Oaknash says:

          I think the Roundtree Foundation has in the pasted funded worthy cause like CAGE – who seemed to think that Mohammed Emwazi (Jihadi John) was such a beautiful young man. I expect James Foley would have begged to differ.

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    • JimS says:

      The first two callers got in some nice digs at ‘celebrities’ and ‘millionaires that play records’!

      ‘Single-parent’ poverty is the result of the BBC pigeons coming home to roost.
      1. Trash the idea of women being full-time mothers, they all must have ‘careers’.
      2. Trash the idea of being faithful to a spouse.
      3. Trash the idea of marriage between man and woman.
      4. Trash men in general. If they are worthless why should they take on responsibility for wife and children?

      The BBC’s answer? Subsidised housing, more immigrants to build more houses, higher minimum wages to attract more immigrants, higher benefits to attract more immigrants.

      How about stressing responsibilities rather than bleating about ‘rights’?

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Jim – you have to pay the market rate in order to get high calibre people who can speak into a microphone and put records on . Lots of skill needed . I guess mr vine is employed by his own production company and pays himself with dividends to avoid income tax. Legal but not moral for a public servant paid by the public .

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        • Navets says:

          Fedup2
          Lately, I have been wondering about the expression if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys. Jeremy Vine is, by all accounts, paid bags and bags of peanuts by the BBC. What does that make him?

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    • StewGreen says:

      BTW both local news progs covered the Joseph Rowntree Poverty porn report in the same way that the Times cutNpasted it this morning
      In the ITV local example they went to a home of a couple : they have 5 kids, and the woman was fat as heck,
      so I’m not that sympathetic.

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  45. StewGreen says:

    9am LBC host Nick Ferrari was reprimanded for his blasphy by saying that he couldn’t understand all the lioniding of Michelle Obama
    ..and he couldn’t understand what special thing she’d done
    ..a series of angry black lady callers shouted at him ..that of course she was very special and an inspiration to all, cos her achievement was being the first black presidents wife

    ..One claimed that shes built herself up from nothing
    NF pointed out that her father was rich earning $200K/year.

    If you can only be inspired by people the same colour skin as you, doesn’t that make you a racist ?

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  46. Lucy Pevensey says:

    Dtj-k8QXcAEcjwG.jpg

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  47. StewGreen says:

    @Fedup commented on Moped cop COULD be charged.
    \\ A Met Police officer who knocked a teenager off his moped in a “tactical contact” manoeuvre has been put under criminal investigation. //

    em The 17 yr old youth pleaded guilty to five charges !
    \\ The boy, who was not wearing a helmet, was admitted to hospital with serious head injuries but later discharged.//
    It would be routine to check if the manoeuvre was proportionate.
    Bottomline the moped was already putting the public in danger.
    He was in charge of a loaded weapon (the moped)
    … if someone has drawn a gun the police are allowed to shoot first. So what’s the difference ?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46440172

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  48. StewGreen says:

    libmedia crow
    \\ Suzanne Evans resigns over ‘Momentum-style’ takeover by Tommy Robinson supporters //
    .. of all things to take a stand on, she stands with libmedia who smear-label people who aren’t racist with the word “racist”
    How does that help the real bottom of the pile victims ?

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    • conanthelibrarian says:

      Yes ,SG, both Evans AND Farage have fallen for the Establishment diversionary tactics-we’re on the Titanic and they’ve been diverted to worry about the position of the deck chairs.
      Whilst I’m on , isn’t it rich that the French can get what they want by rioting -presumably the UK would have to replenish the coffers to compensate for the money Macron won’t now have in penal taxes??

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      • G.W.F. says:

        Suzanne Evans preparing for a return to a post election, post May, Tory Party to help the Tories climb back after Corbyn’s turn. She obviously knows that a return to power will require support from Britain’s moslems

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    • Payne by name says:

      Losing Evans is no loss. She’s a self absorbed individual happy to tear UKIP apart if it furthers her ends.

      She forgets that the media aren’t interviewing UKIP and are freezing them out of the debate. Batten pulled a Trump and realised that he had to play the TR joker to actually get him on the airwaves to have 3 mins to bang on about Brexit.

      Staggering that Evans could be so naive to the game Batten is having to play.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Amazing how quickly politicians get to be out of touch with their supporters . Too much time exposed to beeboids . Farage got his head turned by going to America and being President Trumps warm up man .

        New UKIP must be going after the muzzle vote whilst Real UKIP embrace TR and proper believers in Blighty – not sellouts which are so popular at the moment – gove -Leadsom and the like .

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    • Oaknash says:

      Good riddance to bad rubbish.
      Dont cry Suzanne – I am sure the Gaurdian will lend you a sympathetic ear.

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    • Banania says:

      Yes, big mistake. A pity, because on most subjects she has shown herself to be very bright.

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  49. Fedup2 says:

    Eating popcorn watching bbc parliament – government just lost vote and must disclose legal advice for sellout by the 11th .

    With a bit of luck it will destroy the sell out and be a step nearer to a Brexit PM .

    The reichEU controls the backstop which means we are still under ReichEU court jurisdiction .

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    • theisland says:

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      • Oaknash says:

        Looks like the time will be getting closer when we might all have to reach for our fluorescent jackets.
        Nigel wont be – I expect he will be having dinner with The Donald” telling him how UKIP have lost their way.

        This also ties in very nicely with the Euro Court “judgement” that we can probably re-enter the EU again after all , if we are nice.

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    • vesnadog says:

      “The reichEU controls the backstop which means we are still under ReichEU court jurisdiction”

      Didn’t I tell thee that there was something fishy about Barnier Smiling and showing us his white teeth the other day!! I knew it!

      Don’t be too disheartened guys n gals we will still leave but with more bruises and cuts on our knees than expected!!

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  50. taffman says:

    If its not Marmite its Chocolate
    Al Beeb…………….”Brexit: How will it affect chocolate supplies?”
    “James Ecclestone runs a small chocolate factory and he’s worried that his only option could be moving the company to Slovakia.”
    Propaganda .

    Simples – Mr Ecclestone we just don’t buy chocolate from you any more, perhaps the Slovaks will by it ? Enjoy .

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    • Navets says:

      Taff
      This can only mean that the if owner of the Grown up Chocolate Factory doesn’t get his way, he will take his toys with him to play elsewhere.

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