Weekend Open Thread 1 December 2018

For Christians Advent Begins .And for all of us Winter.

Being Godless the Far Left BBC forges ahead with EU Remain lies and pro Muslim Propaganda . At least , in theory , we will have some idea about our place outside the EU by the end of the year – right ?

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245 Responses to Weekend Open Thread 1 December 2018

  1. Up2snuff says:

    Advent indeed and perhaps a good time to remember that we may only get out of and away from the EU via a Divine miracle in answer to prayer, and that the message from on high, 2000+years ago, was good news and “Peace to all mankind.”.

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  2. GreenBean says:

    I will second that.

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  3. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC Online News Video:

    “”Putin and Saudi crown prince high five””

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-46405802/putin-and-saudi-crown-prince-high-five

    This 5 second video is hated by the BBC.

    I love it 🙂

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  4. Dover Sentry says:

    Within living memory, there was a politician who stood up to the tyranny of Europe for the benefit of the world.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      One can only follow that with:

      Joshua Chapter 1
      1 Now after the death of Moses the servant of the LORD it came to pass, that the LORD spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses’ minister, saying,

      2 Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel.

      3 Every place that the sole of your foot shall tread upon, that have I given unto you, as I said unto Moses.

      4 From the wilderness and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and unto the great sea toward the going down of the sun, shall be your coast.

      5 There shall not any man be able to stand before thee all the days of thy life: as I was with Moses, so I will be with thee: I will not fail thee, nor forsake thee.

      6 Be strong and of a good courage: for unto this people shalt thou divide for an inheritance the land, which I sware unto their fathers to give them.

      7 Only be thou strong and very courageous, that thou mayest observe to do according to all the law, which Moses my servant commanded thee: turn not from it to the right hand or to the left, that thou mayest prosper whithersoever thou goest.

      8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

      9 Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the LORD thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest.

      Joshua Chapter 5
      13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?

      14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?

      15 And the captain of the LORD’S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

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    • taffman says:

      Dover Sentry
      We have a totally different Parliament today, totally different!
      Has this been shown on Al Beeb yet ?

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    • Richard Pinder says:

      Winston Churchill on 4th June 1940: “Parliament has given us the powers to put down Fifth Column activities with a strong hand, and we shall use those powers subject to the supervision and correction of the House, without the slightest hesitation until we are satisfied, and more than satisfied, that this malignancy in our midst has been effectively stamped out”

      Theresa May on 12th December 2018: “Parliament has given the EU the powers to put down Democratic activities with a strong hand, and they shall use those powers subject to the supervision and correction of the Commission, without the slightest hesitation until they are satisfied, and more than satisfied, that this populist malignancy in our midst has been effectively stamped out”

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    • Thatcherrevolutionary says:

      Not Maggie ?

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  5. TrueToo says:

    The Brexit debate appears to concentrate mostly on trade. Don’t hear much about sovereignty?

    Years ago I learned that the EU could tell Britons how and when to dispose of their rubbish and even threaten to fine those inclined to disobey. I’d like to hear a debate about this, partly because the EU is such a rubbish organization.

    And what about bananas? Under May’s deal, will bananas have to be straight and not curved? And if bananas insist on staying curved, as is their right, will the EU then resemble a banana republic?

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    • Up2snuff says:

      TT, Philip Hammond in his TOADY Interview (R4 8.10am Wednesday, if my memory serves me well) implied that the UK was not, in its present position, an independent nation and never could be – unless we leave without a deal – but that the best we could hope for as a Brexit was the deal that the Prime Minister was offering.

      Even after the Maastricht and Lisbon Treaties, John Major and Gordon Brown, respectively, as our Prime Ministers claimed that we were still independent, just one State among others, under those Treaties.

      Now it appears we were not and still are not.

      And that there is only one way to become a free and independent nation …….

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      • TrueToo says:

        Up2snuff,

        I see one’s country as simply an extension of one’s family, community, town, city. Though I’m not British, I still find what is happening quite distressing.

        I wish you all the best of luck.

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        • Up2snuff says:

          Thanks TT but I think we need more than ‘luck’.

          I know what you mean and am familiar with the concept of families, tribes, Elders and a nation on a journey.

          The UK is a complicated place because of a long history. As Esther Rantzen (ex-BBC) put it – in effect – in defending the decision to leave the EU (although she may have voted Remain herself) “It is Britain’s coastline that separates the UK from the EU politically, economically, socially and emotionally. We are an Island People. (You can see this at work in Scotland with the difference between the mainland peoples and the Hebrides, Orkneys and Shetlands islanders.)

          We have a longer national history than many EU States, we have a very different legal system and unlike most of them we have retained our longstanding Monarchy but have also a longstanding link (via that Monarchy) to Europe and to the Christian Church via the Reformation which was a very European and British process. In addition, for historical reasons, we sit at the centre of the Commonwealth of Nations.

          The EU forces conformity on its member States and will continue to do so, increasingly so in the years ahead. Already Poland, Hungary and now Italy are bristling against that enforced conformity.

          It is a good time to leave the EU but it will be difficult to do so and then if we do get to fully leave, as we voted to do, no doubt further difficulties will lie ahead.

          But when – even during our time of EU membership – did they ever not?

          Libya. 2007-2009. Terrorism. Gulf 2. Serbia. Bosnia. Sierra Leone. More terrorism. Black Wednesday. Gulf 1. Berlin Wall. World Recession. Even more terrorism. The Miners’ Strike. The Falklands Liberation. (Where was the EU then, when at first we stood alone?) The Poor Man of Europe. The IMF Loan crisis. The London Stock Market Crash. I may have missed some significant points but you will, no doubt, get the picture.

          Eventually, out of the EU I believe the UK will first survive and and then thrive.

          I think it is that that terrifies the ones whose souls have been so totally possessed by the EU – our surviving and thriving outside.

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          • Demon says:

            Up2Snuff. Excellent post.

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          • Fedup2 says:

            Up2 – I also think it’s about State dependency . Lefties – Snowflakes – have been bred believing in State dependency -and spending others peoples money on their preferred issues.

            In Blighty this has happened with an uncoupling of duty ( to the state ) and ‘rights’( eg to benefits ) – which distorted the original Beverage ideal.

            I believe that if we stay in the ReichEU this ‘uncoupled duty’ will change and citizens of the ReichEU will be forced to comply with the Will of those running the State or pay a penalty – this will either be at ‘nation ‘ level or individual level .

            We re seeing this already with country’s being punished for wrong votes or economic misbehaviour .

            I sometimes wonder if what Blighty is trying to do is what the confederates were trying to do in the American Civil War – but without the bloodshed . But that’s a flight of fancy with someone with a bit of time on their hands .

            If you accept what I say – you see why the BBC is so enthusiastic about the ReichEU State .

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          • Northern Dreamer says:

            (Where was the EU then, when at first we stood alone?)
            Well, France were supplying the Argies with Exocet missiles, one of which sank HMS Sheffield. With friends like these………

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          • imaynotalwaysloveyou says:

            My consolation – if the sell-out Withdrawal Agreement is passed, is that other events, and rebellious countries with better leaders than ours, will eventually show the EU for what it is – a sinister totalitarian body that despises its own people. It will be swept away at some point, at the first sign of military opposition it will fold like a paper tiger.

            As we are entering the season of good-will I’m afraid to say I don’t have much of it for our maniac Remainers, who I wish would just move en-masse to their favoured EU countries and never bother us again.

            On the radio earlier today I heard Mishal talking with some NGO apparatchik about global warming. And for all those politicians that support this nonsense I’d wish them Merry Christmas – but only after forcibly removing them to some godforsaken rain-lashed island without electricity.

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          • David R says:

            While I mostly agree with you I think what frightens citizens of EU states is the plans to increase the EU budget expenditure irrespective of the UK not paying in one day.

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            • Up2snuff says:

              David, I’m sure that it will be presented to the other four (or is it five?) States as a problem to them. It seems to me that, at present, the world runs on fear instead of oil!

              And fear is much more polluting than oil.

              The making up of a fear around that, to the ill-informed and unintelligent, will no doubt cause concern. Until our net £10-12bn is divided by four or five at which point you realise that the extra share payable by France, Germany and the others is the sort of money that our large spending Departments in Whitehall ‘lose down the back of the sofa’.

              In reality, it will be very small beer to them, too.

              Luxembourg could be made to divvy up all that cash on their own from what they make out of eBay, PayPal, Amazon, Google, et al.

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  6. Dover Sentry says:

    May at the G20 has stated that if Parliament turns down her farcical Bremain plan, she will try again.

    BBC Online News:

    “”Brexit: May not ruling out second MPs’ vote on deal””

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46394431

    This says everything about her. She is a Remainer to the core. She kept her deliberations with the EU secret from us for that (t)reason.

    She, with the help of the BBC, intends to drag out the process for years until Brexit is dead. So she hopes.

    She hasn’t reckoned on the silent 52% majority.

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    • TrueToo says:

      Dover Sentry,

      I like that:

      She kept her deliberations with the EU secret from us for that (t)reason.

      Her reason is treason.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        In a proper country – if some unelected slime like Tusk threatened there would be no further negotiations ifthe vote goes against the sell out – decent public representatives would be queuing up to denounce such attempt at intimidation . And say ‘ we don’t care’ because over a million poles are guest workers in Britain whereas – how many British are in Poland ….
        He should be careful what he wishes for

        And as truetoo says – it is not just about trade – unlike some of those made up countries in the EU – Blighty hasn’t been steamrollered by the Reich and mustn’t be now . – even if the price of VWs with dodgy emissions goes up.

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      • Up2snuff says:

        Don’t be too hasty, TT, wait until our Parliament ‘has had its say’.

        If the vote is lost, what happens next will be the test whether the PM is wholly or partially for Remain or not.

        It could just be that the PM wishes to arm herself with a rejection of the deal. That is mighty powerful weapon. If she is strong and courageous, she will return to Brussels, take the £39bn off the table and say “What is your best offer in the light of that vote?”.

        If she folds and quits, or tries to bodge a repair or lets others in Parliament undermine Brexit, then you are right.

        It will be a treason on our democracy.

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        • Dover Sentry says:

          I hope you right, Up2.

          But Leopards are known to rarely change their spots.

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        • fakenewswatcher says:

          Is the PM ‘wholly or partially for Remain’?
          I’d say she is a Remainer. Quibbling over the percentage doesn’t make a difference. The fact that she badly wanted to be PM doesn’t change that.
          Brexit is a massive project. Essentially, a project of the heart. Her heart was never really in it, even though her head may have been (for opportunistic reasons).
          I will not cease comparing her to Merkel. They are both opportunists; both have hijacked conservative parties to take those elsewhere; both are consumed by a lust for power (call it ‘service to country’ if you wish); both have known how to surf the PC wave; both know how to manipulate the media, because much of the media in both countries are also on the PC wave. Both have dampened the finger, and held it in the air and followed where they felt it to blow…
          May has had by far the more challenging task. If she fails, it was because her heart wasn’t in it.
          Being PM? Nope, her heart was in that.
          Doing Brexit? That’s the one…
          Yup: leopard– spots.

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        • Payne by name says:

          What possible reason do you have to believe that she will be “strong and courageous”?

          She’s a traitor who will, and is, selling this country down the river.

          There will be no gutsy call, no revealing of a masterplan, no playing a poker faced blinder. She’s not that clever, not that bothered and just wants to hand us on a platter to her EU masters.

          I’ve never despised a PM as much as I have her.

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          • Up2snuff says:

            Payne, because sometimes you have to jink one way but then swerve the other before thudding the ball in the back of the net. Pardon the analogy but I grew up on the body swerve of one R. Charlton CBE, Knight of the Realm and footballer supreme.

            Just as Angela Merkel would have experienced the overwhelming power of a totalitarian State when growing up, our Prime Minister would (should) have experienced (if she was sharp & astute enough) the EU equivalent during her negotiations as PM if not before as a Senior Minister in Cameron’s administration.

            I recommend watching or listening to Yes, Minister and Yes, Prime Minister as a political primer. There is a boxed set available from various suppliers.

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            • Payne by name says:

              I’m aware of Mr Bobby Charlton and loved the Yes series. You however are giving her way too much credit. What evidence do you have that she is some master tactician?

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    • Luckyharry69 says:

      @Dover
      30% didnt vote in the Referendum…I suspect if they were pushed to vote they may be Brexiteers…who knows……

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      • Up2snuff says:

        Lh69, if you ever meet a pro-Remain and get into a discussion over ‘only a minority voted for Brexit’ in a democracy with one vote per person, it is always assumed that not voting is tacit agreement of the result decided by those who turn up on the day.

        I like the quote from the fictional President Bartlett (West Wing) that just happened to be broadcast by C4 – ironically – the day before a UK GE where Labour were re-elected despite an all time low turnout (2001).

        “Decisions are made by those who show up.”

        He was in fiction requoting an American President or Founding Father, but I cannot remember who, who I think said “Democracy is for those who show up.”.

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    • Johnny Norfolk says:

      John Major did the same . He even conned Mrs T.

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    • JimS says:

      Is Mrs May in Argentina for a G20 meeting or to hand over The Falkland Islands to Argentina?

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  7. thegooddoctor says:

    The relentless anti-Brexit, anti-Trump poison…drip drop….

    At the close of tonight’s ludicrous soap EastEnders, there was a sneaky little advert…….for Michelle Obama’s latest app.

    Blatant bias of course but bBBC don’t even seem aware of their own bias any more, so puffed up are they now with their own self importance and arrogant sense of invulnerability, protected as they are of course by the licence. But, as others have said on this forum, the bias may ultimately prove counter-productive especially in the case of the ant-Trump prejudice which might invaildate any potential legitimate criticism as people increasingly ignore their constant lies – sort of boy who cried wolf syndrome.

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  8. StewGreen says:

    Martin Durkin

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  9. StewGreen says:

    Brussels demo not on the BBC

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  10. StewGreen says:

    “G20 Argentina: Rifts laid bare as world leaders meet”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-46395758

    “French President Emmanuel Macron was quoted by AFP news agency as saying he would refuse to sign a trade deal with South America’s Mercosur bloc if Brazilian President-elect Jair Bolsonaro withdrew from the Paris climate accord.”

    That’s funny, there was me thinking that with France being in the EU it can’t sign its own trade deals. Or does Macron speak for the EU now?

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  11. john in cheshire says:

    The mentalists who talk about gender should listen to this:

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  12. Lucy Pevensey says:

    In case some here might be interested – It’s December tomorrow & I am currently buying a few films to have in for the Christmas period. I want some choice so I can avoid Beeby as they will likely do their best to spoil Christmas with their diversity rubbish.

    The following movie was released worldwide last Easter. Worldwide. Everywhere EXCEPT The UK. Were we a Judeo-Christian nation once?
    I rarely go to the cinema anymore but was planning on going to see this film only to be disappointed. It never made a UK cinema but went straight to DVD here.

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    • Jeff says:

      There are some cracking old films on Talking Pictures, Channel 81. Far better than the politically correct, propagandising dross they’ll be serving up on the Beeb.

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    • Justin Casey says:

      That`s becouse the last two Heads of Religious Programming at the BBC are Muslims… Also can you imagine the chaos outside any cinema showing a film which promotes the idea that the land was the historical home of the Jews… UAF, Snowflakes, retards and the Anti-Semetic wing of the labour party would all be there… It woulds be an Islamaphobic event of such magnitude I doubt anyone would survive it… Was it any good??

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  13. john in cheshire says:

    People who want to be happy should listen to this:

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  14. Justin Casey says:

    RE. The Syrian `waterboarding` incident, the family is being legally represented by the following legal firm….

    https://www.legalfutures.co.uk/latest-news/solicitor-fined-by-sra-for-over-claiming-from-legal-aid-fund

    TBH this law firm should not be able to practice Law so soon after being found stealimg tax payers money via the legal aid system… In May this year the Solicitors Regulation Authority .. Banned him from legal cases involving claims involving legal aid… Also cases which involve tax payers cash ( legal aid, and acting as a defence in criminal cases too.. ) Yet here he is six months later talking sh*t , and drooling at the prospect of the cash being donated tro a Go Fund Me Page, whose purpose is to provide the costs for all legal proceedings relating to the so called Waterboarding during which the Syrian endured nearly two seconds of getting wet from a small water bottle which was less than half full before and a quarter full after the harrowing ordeal… Who are these wankers who ignore the rape of 1400 girls but happily throw cash at this ?? Over £130,000 so far… Everything I was taught to believe in when I was growing up, such as history, morals, the difference between right and wrong and British values is now being destroyed, it`s like a bad dream which I cannot wake from…. The worst part is that recently the MSM has evolved from the arrogance of being unaccountable to ignorance of any views outside thier echo chamber… Also what happened to Theresa Mays` two week tour of the UK to gauge the publics` feelings on her Brexit deal?? So far I have seen her make two appearances at venues holding about 15 members of the public, one of which seemed to be an old peoples day centre !! Now she is in Argentina for a G20 summit meant for open debate and exchange of ideas relating to the Global economy.. Apparently though first thing she did was rush into a very private conference with the French, Spanish, German and two EU Representatives and nobody seems to know exactly why… No statements from any of them… The BBC are busying themselves using the Saudi Princes arrival to deflect attention to what our PM Treason May is doing as she attends clandestine meetings prior to the official start of the G20 summit… I was glad to hear that she i9s planning to reprimand the Saudis over a murder which has f*ck all to with us and also the use of UK supplied arms in Yemen which is resulting in the deaths of a militant Islamic affiliate of ISIS.. I`m assuming this will lead to possible financial burdens when they go elsewhere (Russia) which in turn will cost about 4.5 billion per year and the loss of 40% of sales in arms, and f*ck knows how many jobs too!! This current UK Government is corrupt, treacherous and dishonest to a degree which endangers our soveriegnty.. We are about to have our democratic will usurped by a woman who has no reason to protect our futures as she has no children and no reason to invest in the future of the UK… Also her husband us a top tier EU buerocrat who has spent his career slithering about between the EU buildings and also has no children or relatives to pass an inheritence to… Taking this into account I am at a loss when trying to see the motivation behind either ones actions… We need a `Cromwell` moment a Thatcher would not be able to cope with such a destructive Political danger to our right to exist as an Independant Nation State… The way the Cabinet has slowly changed into a remainers only office i9s a disgrace, remember all the names who vote for Mays `deal` All of them are Careerists, they are onl;y thinking of thier self interests, they have been bought and by supporting this so called Brexit they aim to steal your futures, those of your children and also any chance we have of getting out of a transitional period which according to the 585 page document is dated 20XX (2099) with the clause which allows for another undisclosed period made possible should any of the 276 EU states veto any part of the deals` 585 pages of abject surrender and the decision we made in 2016 to Leave the EU.. We voted and there were two answers… one question On the ballot paper there was not a 585 page proposal attached to it, I don`t remember getting asked more than one question when I voted… We should have le3ft as soon as the result was confirmed, as a net contributer and also a country with a trade deficit we had the upper hand in any trade talks with the EU.. Theresa May is a qualified Barrister and her husband is part of the ECHR in the Hague, as are most of her current cabinet.. Along with the civil service they have all set out wilfully and without any thought of consequence to destroy our freedoms, our futures and our ability to reverse thier sell out of the UK and its` people… It wouldn`t surprise me if the bitch hands over the Falklands and the Islanders on the way back from the G20 either…

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    • StewGreen says:

      ” Theresa May is a qualified Barrister and her husband is part of the ECHR in the Hague ”

      Nope having a Geography degree doesn’t qualify her as a barrister
      Her husband is a finance guy so not connected to the ECHR
      ..There were false rumours that he was connected to G4S.

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      • The General says:

        No I think they said he was connected to GAS,

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      • Justin Casey says:

        I shall retrieve the relevant wweblinks which prove m y assertions…, Also how many trained and qualified legal professionals make up the inner core and advise the PM?? Most of them… just as many in the Labour shadow cabinet…
        Phillip May used to work for Deutsche Bank AG… Who are part of …
        this group … European Financial Services Roundtable
        He specialises in being an investment relationship manager
        He is a very slimy individual and profits from his wifes current status…
        https://www.globalresearch.ca/disgusting-conflict-of-interest-theresa-mays-husbands-investment-firm-made-a-financial-killing-from-the-bombing-of-syria/5636632
        Also I forgot to mention that since May became HGome Secretary websites with pages relating to Mays` background and that of her parents have been either deleted or edited especially since 2014.. However some still remain.. like this one….

        https://theswamp.media/theresa-may-s-father

        Scroll down the page until you hit the part titled `The Cover Ups`
        I`ll be back later with some more… You know … given the abject failure of Theresa May in politics and especially during her time as Home Secretary you really have to wonder why she is currently our PM…. Nobody outside of her inner circle seem to find her at all competant she is well known for her saocial awkwardness, and when you look at the way she repeats herself constantly and avoids being questioned about details relating to what is insider the 595 page `Deal` document which the EU has already signed off on before it has been subjected to a vote in our Parliament…. How can somebody fail at being a politician consistently yet end up as leader of our country?? Her husband works in investment banking alongside a certain George Soros the same guy who mattempted to stop Brexit and funded Gina Millers attempt to make the result null and void… Her husband is also in investment banking..
        Apparently he advises the PM and not at anytime did he warn her of the legal battles being organised by people who he knew from his profession…
        But regardless of anything else yopu have to agree her rise from a crappy socially awkward MP for a crappy little constituency and inability to do anything in asll her years,k then in four years she suddenly gfets a cabinet position which she isn`t able to do, then Whoa!! She is the PM.. I find that quite astounding.. I also smell a rat when numerous websites have been edited to such a massive degree…

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    • tarien says:

      Now it is time to have a real statesman if there is one around-maybe Boris, why not he is very well educated an intelligent man and with some wise administrators alongside would make a good leader for this somewhat tired, downtrodden, nation-we need uplifting infused with some spirit that served us well over 70 odd years ago.

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  15. The General says:

    As 2018 draws rapidly to a close we really should spare a thought for those we have lost
    over the past twelve months :-

    ” The Daily Telegraph”
    ” The Daily Express”
    ” The Daily Mail”

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    • Old Goat says:

      No loss, really – they’re all under the MSM umbrella, and generally not worth a light. I learn everything I need to know on the internet, and hope desperately they don’t try and close that down – yet suspect that they probably will.

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      • LastChanceSaloon says:

        OG – They will not try to close the Internet.
        They have been trying to control its contents, with some success.
        I avoid the major culprits, Google Facebook and Twitter.

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  16. G.W.F. says:

    An interesting slant on BBC bias involving Andrew Neil, who chooses to misrepresent a woman putting forward a left wing perspective.
    The woman he is interviewing defends Democratic Socialism which, she claims, is distinct from Social Democracy, and she explains the difference to him. From her standpoint we should leave the EU.

    But Neil deliberately reverses her distinction between Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism and speaks as if she is supporting Social Democracy, and proceeds with what can be described as a strawmanish argument against her objections to the EU. Clearly his objective is to defend the BBC commitment to the EU and therefore seeks to minimise any argument from the left.

    I have included this clip to indicate how BBC bias works – against left or right opponents of BBC policy – and how Neil will twist and turn his opponents views to establish the BBC line, in this case support of the EU.

    Actually, in this interview Neil looks stupid and Portillo is obliged to correct him.

    If Neil wanted to attack Democratic Socialism from a conservative standpoint there are plenty of avenues for him. But he avoids this, choosing distortion and a straw man argument.

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    • Demon says:

      What a liar the slug doing this is. He claims that they want to “take back” the means of production and nationalise everything. That is also called stealing, and therefore it may be socialist but it is not democratic.

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      • G.W.F. says:

        Demon

        I was aware that the argument for socialist democracy is dire. But my point was to reveal Neil of the BBC as a biased creep who will distort any argument that opposes the BBC’s line on Remain. In fact the BBC has gone a long way to rubbish traditional leftist arguments that the EU are a bunch of evil capitalists.
        But they will not come out against the left.
        My overall argument is that Neil is a twister who will not confront an argument whether it comes from Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins or any Tony Bennite who wants out of the EU.

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        • Demon says:

          G.W.F. I understood your point, but was annoyed by the extremist’s views. I would also add that, as much as Neil is by far the least bad Beboid, he infuriated me with his unfettered attack on Tommy Robinson.

          It shows that no Beboid is perfect, and most are about as far from that as is possible to be, and all without exception are remainders.

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          • G.W.F. says:

            Demon
            Yes I can agree with you on the extremists views.
            It is something I have been thinking about as I read of Corbynite attacks on the BBC for being too right wing.
            The bias of the BBC, so I think, is not strictly left or right, but is based on a few BBC objectives which in general happen to be leftish progressive but not necessarily. Islam, climate change, assisted suicide, various strands of feminism and gender issues, remaining etc are all promoted by BBC activists.
            But occasionally are leftists whose views are distorted by the BBC, usually those around Labour Leave, who are not popular with the BBC.
            Then we have Galloway who is conducting a war with the BBC from his left wing pro Islamic standpoint, and there is little doubt that BBC interviewers try to trick him rather than confront his odious views.

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      • Banania says:

        “Taking back” is such a lying phrase.

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  17. Lucy Pevensey says:

    aDWWnOO_700b.jpg

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  18. StewGreen says:

    Times : Edward Lucas wrote ‘yeh we need to do something about all that Fakenews over there on Facebook’
    ..tiresome so I have only just checked
    Similarly you can see from the comments that not many people read the article , but those that did give it a kicking , and he stays in the comments trying to defend himself.

    Top comment from @Maura
    According to Mr Lucas “The limits of free speech on grounds such as racial hatred must be enforced online as well as in the real world” is very questionable and dangerous.

    In several cases in recent years we have seen how police, social workers, journalists have been silent in the face of crimes committed by groups of men from particular minority ethnic groups, thereby allowing these criminals to continue their disgusting behaviour because of a PC culture. There are reports in this publication today relating to Rotherham.

    A similar story occurred in Cologne on New Years Eve in 2015 when the main stream media did not report on the number of sexual assaults committed by men from certain parts of the world other than Germany. Only for social media, this information would not have been publicised.

    On Page 25 of the Global Compact on Migration which is due to be signed on 10 Dec in Marrakesh there is a recommendation to “Establish mechanisms to prevent, detect and respond to racial, ethnic and religious profiling of migrants by public authorities” Does this mean that information which demonstrates that a particular group are disproportionately involved in certain crimes should be suppressed?

    The reason I have used guarded language is because of censorship here and several of my comments have disappeared into thin air recently. I have seen other similar complaints here also.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-to-fight-fake-news-and-other-online-threats-bvd8z35qx

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  19. ScottishCalvin says:

    Another week, another cartoon on Brexit for y’all:

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    • StewGreen says:

      Ah its a review of The Noble Liar: How and Why the BBC Distorts the News to Promote a Liberal Agenda by Robin Aitken

      “The BBC has wholeheartedly thrown its lot in with the liberal reformers; there has been no ‘impartiality’ on any of the big moral issues of the past half-century. In every instance, the socially conservative argument has been depicted as callous, reactionary and dogmatic. Any counterargument to the prevailing liberal consensus is now ignored altogether; social conservative voices are conspicuous by their absence on mainstream current affairs programmes.”

      (By fake news) “Trump wasn’t saying that the press and the TV networks were getting the facts wrong, rather, they were telling the wrong stories. (to make an overall false perspective)
      And Trump had a good point: it’s a question of fairness, not facts.
      A report can be accurate and yet deeply unfair whether by selection or omission.
      ‘Fake news’ is not so much about factual inaccuracy as about ideological bias…”

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      • fakenewswatcher says:

        Stew – Reformers? No, to me that has a positive connotation. You reform something because you want to improve it. The beeb are destroyers, they break something of value down and besmirch it.
        As for ‘liberal’? To me ‘liberal’ implies concern with freedom. There is nothing liberal about the beeb. It has confused freedom with licence, so morals, ethics, culture, the very stuff of decency, community and social cohesion has been badly damaged.
        I would see the beeb, not as a liberal, reforming but as a socialist, destroying force, akin to what a mindless swarm of locusts do when they attack a field of crops.
        For the rest, I agree with A’s article, but let’s not begin with complimentary language.

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  20. Annunaki says:

    A little note, or obsevation, the difference between strategy, planning and delivery, the BBC are required to deliver but are too tied up with the others and their EDI agenda without consulting the indigenous people in this country

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  21. Halifax says:

    How come the BBC never refers to Melania Trump as the first lady ?? Quote from today’s comments on George Bush death.

    The president and his wife pay tribute to his predecessor……should it not be, as it’s a formal reference the President and First lady…

    She is also very fit as is his daughter lol

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    • Tabs says:

      Because the BBC have no respect for the current US President let alone his wife.

      Just heard on BBC…. “ex President Clinton paid tribute by saying……. , ex President Obama paid tribute by saying……. and Mister Trump said…….”

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    • Banania says:

      WHEREAS I do remember Cherie Blair being referred to as “First Lady”. I wish I had made a note of it at the time.

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  22. Halifax says:

    How come the BBC never refers to Melania Trump as the first lady ?? Quote from today’s comments on George Bush death.

    The president and his wife pay tribute to his predecessor……should it not be, as it’s a formal reference the President and First lady…

    She is also very fit as is his daughter lol

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  23. Fedup2 says:

    Toady watch

    Al beeb was saying we are all bored with brexit but now we are interested enough to have another referendum . But it doesn’t discuss how that referendum might work .

    The turn out for the referendum in 2016 was 72%.

    What if the turn out next time is lower ? What if remain win it but the number is less than the leave number in 2016 ? ( still with me?) .

    What if the result is tighter than last time ? Brexit winning by a smaller margin?

    The answer ? No second referendum – just leave and then treat the ReichEU as a bitter enemy – see the disgraceful GPS debacle which has cost us £2 billion

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    • countryblues says:

      I’ve lost count of the number people saying that we should have a ‘People’s Vote’ to decide the matter ‘once and for all’…but, frustratingly, no-one ever seems to ask them just exactly what the question would be. I suspect they all have a very different idea of what that question would be…

      So, for clarity, I would suggest we have a referendum on whether we should have a ‘People’s Vote’ in which the actual question of that vote is made clear…oh…wait a mo’…perhaps there should be a referendum to decide the question? 😉

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      • JimS says:

        We might not know what ‘the question’ should be for the proposed ‘peoples’ vote’ but we surely know the answer they want!

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        • David R says:

          Remember in the People’s Referendum “It’s not the people who vote that count. It’s the people who count the votes.” Joseph Stalin.

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      • JamesArthur says:

        Country
        you know the question…
        Shall we stay in or shall we not leave. Y or Y
        I get fed up with all this “people’s vote” – first the Remoaners claim we didn’t know/understand what we were voting for – when it was shall we leave the European Union Y or N?
        Now they think the whole population will understand the differences between no deal, the deal, WTO, Norway , Canada etc let alone the consequences of staying in…it’s not all roses – ask Greece, Italy, Spain…

        The joy and surprise of winning the original vote is being replaced by the feeling of sharp stick up my b.m

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        • countryblues says:

          It’s painfully obvious that all those desiring a ‘People’s Vote’ want ‘Remain’ included as one choice with ‘Leave’ as a multiple of choices and so split the ‘Leave’ vote umpteen ways. How can they be so dense to think this is not risible? Oh…wait a mo’…I might not spot it coz I’s a thick leave voter 🙂

          The only question I might accept would be :
          a) Deal
          b) No Deal

          I’ll wager that’s not the question they have in mind for a ‘People’s Vote’ though 😉

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          • Up2snuff says:

            cb, think you are right.

            I am sure there will be howls of rage from the ardent Remainers when John Curtice explains that you have to have binary questions in Referendums but that you could, of course, have a two part Referendum: Leave with No Deal and no payment v Leave with payment of £39bn and a fully agreed Deal. The second part, together with its two votes which might include Remain, would become invalid if the vote was for Leave with No Deal.

            Isn’t it a terrible shame that there is no time for Referendum or a General Election before 29 March 2019?

            🙂

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      • Banania says:

        And what on earth does “once and for all mean”, especially considering that we have arguably had three votes on this already?

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        • Demon says:

          We need to leave the EU immediately as per the wishes of the UK electorate – aka the People.

          We could then have a vote to rejoin the EU, but not before 2057, i.e. 41 years after this vote, which is the same gap between the 1975 referendum and this one.

          I would predict that with the UK leading the way, the EU will have ceased to exist a long time before 2057.

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  24. Halifax says:

    Today in the EU capital police used chemical weapons on its own citizens.

    We are so much superior in every way to Europe let’s not forget that….ever.

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  25. theisland says:

    Treason’s smirk at approx. 1:07-1:08 tells me all I need to know.
    She thinks she is inviolable.

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  26. Jeff says:

    The fact that there are still a number of Brexiteers willing to stay in the cabinet shows what a pathetic and feeble bunch they are.
    I can’t say that I’m surprised by the intellectual but oily Gove, but Leadsome has been a massive letdown.
    Mrs May’s lamentable EU divorce is akin to a marital break up where you agree to allow your ex mother-in-law’s sister to tell you where you can go shopping, what car you’ll drive and she’ll cast her eye over any women you might like to date.
    In the meantime you’re still paying for all her distant cousins exotic holidays and any medical expenses they might incur.
    Oh, and the divorce won’t be finalised until 27 of her aunts, uncles and various siblings say that it is.
    Great deal…

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    • imaynotalwaysloveyou says:

      I remember a couple of years or so ago that I thought Leadsome, Gove, Fox, Davis and Boris Johnson might be worth co-opting into a serious right of centre party. Not any more.

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  27. Lucy Pevensey says:

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  28. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    We keep getting carney and hammonds predictions of the end of the world if we leave but where are the predictions of what might happen if we are stuck in the eu.

    We are used to getting extra billions being demanded for things like the sex industry and other excuses to get at our money but what about if there’s some serious difficulties in Greece, Spain or Italy for example and they need many billions to bail them out. If we were still a member of that godforsaken club we would end up handing over many many billions, you can be sure of that.
    When the eu Army is up and running how will our young people feel about being conscripted to serve in it.
    Our payments to the eu are only going to go up so we will save even more by leaving.
    What are our assets in the eu worth and are they being counted against their current demands for money we have to borrow to give them.
    What is the £39 billion paying for anyway? Some pensions and what else?
    We never get our amendments passed and are invariably voted against in the eu get togethers. When were we last on the winning side of an eu vote?
    It’s a heavy price to pay considering only 5% of our firms export to the eu yet the other 95% must obey them in every way.
    Where will the slowdown (supply chain) happen with our imports from the eu which will kill off our firms. We will not be stopping any more lorries than we do now so ‘just in time’ operators will not be affected (unless a lorry gets a puncture, is delayed by a couple of hours and the complete factory has to stop working, at least that’s the picture the remainers paint)
    Maybe these ‘just in time’operators should build up a couple of days stock in case the driver takes a wrong turning or stops for a cup of tea causing the whole factory to shut down.
    Or maybe they are lying about this.

    We hear little from the leave side on the offensive and pointing out the horrors and dangers of staying in this dying club of dinosaurs.
    Is it because we won and naively think our politicians will do as instructed.
    Do we think we’ll get the no deal we all wanted if nothing happens before the 29 March.
    Maybe we will but I wish our side started pointing out the downsides of still being stuck in the eu.

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    • Demon says:

      Emmanuel – “Maybe we will but I wish our side started pointing out the downsides of still being stuck in the eu.”

      Absolutely. There is so much bad stuff about the EU that should be an easy task. Why then are they not doing this? I wish I knew.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      EG, precisely so! “We keep getting carney and hammonds predictions of the end of the world if we leave but where are the predictions of what might happen if we are stuck in the eu.”

      Did you notice in the week past that the Inspectors are in Deutsche Bank again?

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  29. tarien says:

    Does anyone know that yesterday was St Andrew’s day? We always get told about St Patrick’s day, even St David’s but hardly ever when it is St George’s day. Again I summise that the media /BBC don’t wish to agitate those non members of the United Kingdom who have come to our lands and been welcomed but who now, it appears want to destroy the well meaning invitation. Consider now the UN Migration Pact to be signed very soon that will allow entry of any migrant from outside the EU no matter who they are-a number of Politicans in Germany are very concerned and so they should be. But more seriously our present Prime Minister who will sign this pact will be seen as instrumental in destroying her country and nation as a whole-again how much air time has been given over to this extremely serious issue? I want out without a deal although this provides no guarantee that the Pact won’t be signed.

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  30. G.W.F. says:

    I am sure the BBC will be covering todays French protests in great depth. Don’t these protesters realise that higher fuel prices are the only way to save the world from global warming?
    Over to our Environment Expert, M. Harrabin

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  31. JimS says:

    Jeremy Vine on Friday was playing his frequent game of asking questions around a matter subject to legal restrictions, ‘so we can’t really talk about it’, (so don’t do it then!).

    The subject was turned into one about bullying and whether bystanders should get involved. At first it seemed like the two guests, male and female agreed. The male was very much into collectivism and how much better the Scandinavians were in this respect.

    For one Vine was quite smart and pushed the man into saying yes, it was ‘all Thatcher’s fault’, we were too much into looking after ‘number one’. We even got the false ‘no such thing as society’ quote!

    This caused the female to break ranks. It isn’t the collectivists that stop bullying, it is the brave individual, the ‘Samaritan’, that does what the crowd doesn’t do.

    The Twitter, Facebook and Antifa mobs show collectivism in action and it isn’t nice. The heroes and heroines have always been those that stood against the crowd.

       37 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      Jim
      No doubt elsewhere there is much discussion about the effect of the internet social networking –
      But it seems to just entrench ‘ reacting ‘ as against ‘thinking ‘ – one sided ‘trials’ .

      Magnifying the effect of ‘ Group Think’.

      Upto now it’s been plain dangerous . But as the big web providers such as google twitter Facebook and the rest have really got going on censoring – the danger will become really serious perhaps leading to mass international disobedience which I don’t think we ve really seen yet .

      It also exposes those who are reactionary – notably that feature of being young – vulnerable ( word I hate but can’t think of a better one ) to all sorts of insanity -such as thinking the BBC isn’t biased .

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  32. StewGreen says:

    Julie Bindel in Standpoint November 2018
    Virtue Broadcasting
    ‘The BBC’s new policy on “equality and diversity” reads as though it is straight out of the W1A comedy series’
    http://standpointmag.co.uk/node/7315

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  33. StewGreen says:

    Labour MP and family behaving like drug dealers.
    #1 Someone was lying when Labour said on October 26th she’d only just learned of the case
    cos court records show she wrote to the court on October 19th
    #2 “At her home last night Ms Osamor told a reporter… who asked for her response to the story, that she “should have come down here with a bat and smashed your face in.”
    Click the tweet image and read paragraph 4

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  34. StewGreen says:

    17th Grenfell fraudster jailed
    Abdel Karim Rekaya from Tunisia
    sentenced to 4 years 6 months
    after admitting fraudulently claiming £90K by pretending to be a Grenfell victim

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  35. StewGreen says:

    You know Alemi the fake doctor ? That was just a ONE off wasn’t it it.
    It’s not like the GMC has caught more than 100 and let most of them keep practicing …

    Yep in 5 years : 106 cases, 40 struck off, 33 suspended, 33 given warnings
    (The 4 new names in the Times are African, Greek, Muslim and Indian)
    4 times the high court stepped in and overruled them.
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1859c9fa-f4f4-11e8-86cb-a1db889448ed

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  36. StewGreen says:

    When you give used stamps to charities
    … do they
    #1 sell them onto collectors ?
    or #2 sell them to gangs who wash off the franking , so the stamps can be used again ?
    Times, reporting on a Charity Commission warning.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Did something I didn’t want to do . I watched the Stephen Fry EU propaganda video put out by some Soros remain outfit

      No wonder remainers love it . It is full of half truths at best and a load of lies . Goebells would be proud,

      Mr fry , like other leading remainers – eg Campbell , Blair suffer mental heath issues . Watching this video – I can see why . I advise you not to bother if you are a brexiter.

      It’s had 124k hits which is a bit sad .

      Fry leaves out the key ReichEU poison ‘ an ever closer union’ preamble of the Treaty of Rome – 1953? Gives the game away .

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      • Beltane says:

        Having the self-indulgent arch-luvvie Mr Fry add his Guardianista blather to the argument can only be of benefit. Perhaps he and his newish wife should whizz down to Vivien Westwood’s for their Gilet Jaune fittings and gain a different perspective on their Parisienne Paradise? Before it spreads to the more common parts of the European Dream, of course.
        Remember his droll little quip about ‘sand in the Vaseline’ at the BAFTAs and consign the old prat to history.

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  37. StewGreen says:

    CSE in Rotherham 2 pages in the Times

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  38. StewGreen says:

    Then on the next page the Times puts words in the words of the mouth of 3 90 year old Jewish refugees
    : Jewish refugees call for new #Kindertransport (for Muslim) children flleeing middle East conflict)
    its propaganda making false equivalence.

    Comments are being held back in moderation
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jewish-refugees-call-for-new-kindertransport-7zchh9p37

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  39. StewGreen says:

    Australian Greens get out the outrage bus
    Their leader stood up in parliament berating male MPs for sexism
    .. then the Ozzie Spectator published a letter from a female reader saying ..’look at her saying that when she’s wearing a dress with a special cleavage window. How can people take her seriously if she’s putting on a display ?’
    image of letter and cleavage

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  40. fakenewswatcher says:

    Former Springbok rugby player, Naka Drotske, shot three times on his smallholding near Pretoria. Third incident in a four year stay there. He was in the 1995 World Cup winning squad, in Mandela’s ‘Rainbow Nation’.
    His brother and family have decided to move off the estate.
    The ANC and EFF will be pleased. ‘Killing the boer, killing the farmer’, going in full swing.
    Don’t expect to see anything on the beeb. They have their own definitions of ‘hate crime’ and ‘racism’, and murder/attempted murder not one of them, if it doesn’t fit the narrative. Nor barbaric torture and rapes, for that matter. A hillside with thousands of white crosses- one for each murder victim- wouldn’t do it either.
    Nothing to see here…
    Certainly no story.
    Oh, wait a minute, there it is in print, yesterday.
    Short article under ‘Sport’.
    Pistol shooting?

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  41. G.W.F. says:

    As the heading for this thread says: For Christians Advent Begins .And for all of us Winter.

    I don’t know if the BBC recognise Advent, but here is an angel to sing for us. She was 19 when this was recorded. I don’t know if she has gender issues, Brexit issues or any of the BBC requirements for entertainment. But here is Patricia Janečková. She sings.

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    • David R says:

      What you God-botherers have to remember is that the words were written by a man and the music was composed also by a man.

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      • Up2snuff says:

        What us God-botherers remember – at least once a year with thankful hearts – is that God was bothered enough with His creation and the promise He had made way back in time to step in Himself and provide a means of redemption and renewal and restoration. 🙂

        Plus we do like a bit of the music that can be made from vibrating and hitting inanimate things, the scientific means for which were built into creation and discovered, with a unique human inventiveness that may have echoes of the divine, which then support and enhance the human voice. 😉

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      • G.W.F. says:

        David R.
        Don’t know who the God Botherers are here. But it’s Advent, not Ramadamalinglong, and the music was sung by a young woman accompanied by men and women.

        Moreover, I understand that the man who wrote it was alleged to be involved in scatology.

        Our culture is derived from Christian sources but this in no way requires a commitment to literal pietism. Consequently we are allowed to refer to angels and angelic voices in descriptions of musical performances without bothering anyone to embrace a commitment to the existence or non existence of entities described in religious texts.

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        • Up2snuff says:

          G.W.F., thanks for that.

          I found myself also admiring the work of the architects and any evidence of sound engineers present (rather limited, I was scouring my screen for mics and found only one – that may have been passive, purely for the recording) who both did a fine job in providing the acoustic characteristics of church & concert hall and enhancing each individual ‘voice’ in performance.

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          • G.W.F. says:

            UptoSnuff

            I have been following this young woman since she won a school competition at the age of 13. I have used her music in one of my canine videos on you tube. She took singing lessons and is emerging as a potential opera singer. She does not have the backing provided for big time BBC and Hollywood stars and in a sense we hope she will not go in that direction .

            I see talented youngsters like this as an antidote to the cliched and over politicised tripe on the MSM, so I hope BBBC will accept this presentation of her with music from a secular Spaghetti Western, sung at the age of 13. (ps. I will spare you my canine performances)

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        • Beltane says:

          Always salutary to recognise that Christianity has given humanity some of the world’s greatest music.
          Islam has muezzins.

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      • Anne says:

        I’m an atheist but I find that comment rude and churlish.

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        • Beltane says:

          I hope that is just an unfortunate juxtaposition Anne? I’d hate to think that comparisons between, say, The Sixteen singing the Allegri Miserere and a muezzin wailing from the top of a tall pipe might be thought churlish.

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        • Anne says:

          My comment might have ended up below yours but it is a reply to David R.

          I agree with your opinion of Mozart’s Laudate Dominum, and the absence of equivalents elsewhere, except Judaism, which has also produced one or two decent tunes.

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          • Beltane says:

            Russian Orthodox choirs in full flow can raise a nape hair or two.

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            • Up2snuff says:

              Agree, Beltane, and have enjoyed a bit of old ecclesiastical music, such as Gregorian Chant, thanks to the Internet. The Beeb were also giving it some coverage a while back – say ten years – but appear to have stopped. I wonder why?

              The recording of Allegri’s Miserere from the Kings College Choir in 1964 had a programme made about it for the R4 series ‘Soul Music’ early on. It may have been in the very first series.

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        • Demon says:

          Anne if you are referring to David R’s comments I echo your post completely.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        David
        I wondered – when I put the weekend post up That by mentioning any form of religion the atheist , humanists and others might not like it so I’m sorry you have take the ‘god bothering ‘ line .
        It doesn’t offend me but I can understand why such flippancy would upset others – yet freedom of speech is a precious thing eh? – and gives you the room to abuse – which is also a precious thing rapidly being extinguished .

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        • Anne says:

          “yet freedom of speech is a precious thing eh? – and gives you the room to abuse”

          And the right to respond to abusers, as I’m sure you’ll agree. I think atheists like me should pick their battles, not pour cold water on other people’s passions at every opportunity.

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        • Up2snuff says:

          Doesn’t bother me either, Fed.

          Interestingly though, while atheists, God-botherers and all faiths except one, enjoy human creativity that performance of voice to music makes, there is also an interesting point about the Theory of Evolution.

          Not so long ago, but back when the BBC educated, informed as well as tried to entertain, they had a research biologist (a scientist) on the TODAY Programme who had trawled the earth looking for animals that sing. He had found precious few by that time – I recall the figure was five – and he observed that it was really only humans who had developed musical instruments to accompany voice in some x thousands or millions of years. None had been added to the list in all that time. There is evidence that some apes bang items (and can be taught/trained to perform as can seals) and other animals bang the ground as a form of signal or alarm.

          It is the human creature who stands alone at a pinnacle in creating music and musical instruments and has done for thousands of years.

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      • Banania says:

        @ David R.
        Are you making some feminist or anti-feminist point here? And what has it to do with the sublime music?

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        • David R says:

          The point I tried to make was that humans create music and there is really no need to get any form of “invisible friend on the sky” involved.
          The same emotional response comes from listening to Amira Willighagen’s first round entry in Holland’s Got Talent 2013 where she contemplates suicide if she is denied what she wants (O Mio Babino Caro).

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          • Up2snuff says:

            The problem with that viewpoint is that it does not fit with the motivation.

            If you read the Bible, you will discover the place of music in Creation and worship of the Divine, all the way back to the Shofar. For all their faults and sins, people like Mozart created music in worship of the Divine and for the worship, by others, of God, even if it was done as a form of contest with Amadeus and a measure of pride in Mozart’s case. 😉 The same was true again of architecture, although once more human ego came into it as well, perhaps reducing it somewhat.

            I have a certain fondness for the work of JS Bach. He was most certainly motivated by his faith in God to produce music as a form of worship. If I recall correctly, GF Handel was exactly the same, as were many others of the older orchestral period.

            Interestingly, scientists only recently discovered that they think the universe ‘sings’ or hums.

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    • Banania says:

      Wonderful. Thanks for posting this.

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    • Anne says:

      Still on the subject of religion, this fool doesn’t seem to understand where this will lead (DT – paywalled):

      Christians on brink of extinction in Middle East, warns Archbishop of Canterbury

      The same thing will happen here, given time and the opportunity, you idiot.

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  42. theisland says:

    Due to be agreed about the same time as the ‘meaningful vote’.
    Who is Treezer sending off to Morocco to sign us up?

       24 likes

    • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

      My email has gone to the arsehole who is my MP.

      Wont hold my breath for a reply.

         23 likes

    • G says:

      theisland,
      On the 1st November, I sent this request to my Labour MP’s aide:
      “UN Migration Compact.
      ………….., I request that xxxxxx directs the following questions to the Government and the Labour leadership (regarding the latter’s policy toward the Compact).

      When will the UK Government give the public detailed information on the UN Compact on Migration?

      What effect, both short and long term will the Compact have on the UK and in particular on migration?

      What cost is involved for the taxpayer both short and long term of the UK’s involvement in the Compact?”

      Zilch……….(needless to say)

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  43. Beeb Brother says:

    The BBC says Osamor has resigned due to ‘events concerning her son’ and ‘allegations’ from a newspaper. She was caught red handed lying about her knowledge of the conviction, saying she did not know about it when in fact she had written a mitigating letter to the judge. There is no ‘allegation’: she is bang to rights thanks to a freedom of information request.

    Imagine the orgasmic joy they would have if Boris Johnson or another senior Tory were caught out like this: they would screech about ‘disgraceful lies’ and give it blanket coverage. Here they imply she has been hard done by and do not even mention the key offence she has committed.

    It reminds me of Trump’s glorious exchange with John Sopel.

    Sopel: John Sopel, BBC.
    Trump: BBC – that’s another beauty.
    Sopel: Free, fair and impartial.
    Trump: Yeah, right. You’re worse than CNN.

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  44. Sluff says:

    Here’s a question I have not heard on the bBBC.
    What kind of ‘remain’ do remainers want?
    The follow up could be….
    Is it a United States of Europe ?
    Could it be for the UK to join the Eurozone ?
    A European Army?
    Continued failure to sign off the annual accounts?
    Continuation of the entitled, unelected, untouchable Brussels elite ?
    I wonder whether the public, were there to be a second referendum, would be given the choice amongst these options?

    All of the above is firmly in the ‘do not ask’ part of the bBBC editorial handbook.

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    • theisland says:

      Yes, we are constantly being told that people voted for different kinds of Brexit.

      No we didn’t!!

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      • Richard Pinder says:

        Ten different kinds of Brexit:
        (1) A vote for Independence
        (2) A vote for Sovereignty
        (3) A vote for Freedom
        (4) A vote for Democracy
        (5) A vote for Populism
        (6) A vote for Britain
        (7) A vote for Control
        (8) A vote for Deliverance
        (9) A vote for Liberation
        (10) A vote for Liberty

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        • Up2snuff says:

          Richard, may I add to that list, please?
          A vote for sound economics
          A vote for earned influence (as opposed to ‘bought’ influence)
          A vote for growing international trade
          A vote against protectionism and protectionist practices
          A vote for sound currency

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          • Beltane says:

            And, yes, why not? A vote for national pride and a vote to remind the ungrateful, dishonest and self-serving burghers of Brussels and elsewhere that we played a major and largely unredeemed part in saving their wretched countries, twice, from domination and at a cost from which we have never fully recovered – both financially and, literally, in bloodstock.

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            • Beltane says:

              To which I should add that the politicians we enjoy today are very largely the result of the winnowing of our best. They died that the likes of Grieve and Soubry could squander their inheritance.

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    • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

      It would be somewhat like the things that were not on the original Referendum in 75, as we all know there wasno mention of certain things, and therefore how COULD they have known what they had approved?
      1 Enlargement
      2 A borderless Schengen area
      3 Ever closer union/ federation via treaties: Nice, Lisbon, Maastricht.
      4 The Euro
      5 The EU Army.
      6 Unlimited migration.

      ‘Some Say’ of course, the UK didnt have all of the above, but they sure as hell affected us deeply.

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    • Richard Pinder says:

      Ten different kinds of Remain, remainers want:

      (1) Dependency
      (2) Subjugation
      (3) Elitist rule
      (4) Authoritarianism
      (5) A Plutocracy
      (6) A Peoples Democratically elected Dictatorship
      (7) Preserving Unpopulism
      (8) Expansionism using the European Army
      (9) Restoring European Globalisation
      (10) Global White European Imperialism

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  45. Up2snuff says:

    What the BBC love to bring us – https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-46301490 – a shortage scare, especially at Christmas.

    Do you remember last year? A cream shortage. Never happened.

    Year before. Think it was sugar.

    Not at Christmas but the year before that it was pumpkins at Halloween time.

    Then coffee.

    Then, before that, it was tea.

    Same for the last four, as far as I know they never happened.

    The BBC: there’s another beauty, unfortunately it’s fake beauty that is only skin deep and it is bringing us FakeNews and FalseFacts.

    [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-41164627/why-is-the-price-of-butter-going-up]

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    • taffman says:

      Buy New Zealand Butter .

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      • Lefty Wright says:

        taffman
        For many years I have – mostly my own opinion here – with great success brewed my own beer using grains and hops. Anyone here got a recipe for butter?
        I can remember as kids we would, with Mum’s approval of course, use the “cream” from the top couple of inches of a bottle of milk and shake it in a container, obviously one with a stopper, and the liquid would eventually turn to a solid which we called “butter”. Edible? Well we thought so, and in the late 1940,s beggars weren’t choosers.

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      • Up2snuff says:

        taffman, and New Zealand lamb, onions and kiwi fruit, although I have to say that the Welsh can come up with excellent substitutes for at least two of the four.

        What has happened to that Welsh butter thing? I’m sure it was mentioned on here earlier this year (or was it last year?) and I’ve since heard nothing more.

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        • taffman says:

          Up2snuff
          Once upon a time Welsh lamb was plentiful but it became expensive because it was shipped over to the EU.
          NZ Lamb and butter was cheaper although it was shipped from the opposite end of the world to the UK. You tell me ?
          Is it something to do with the Common Agricultural Policy ? Some 30 + years ago there was a glut in butter beef etc that was given away because we had mountains of it ?

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    • Lefty Wright says:

      Up2snuff
      Forget the BBC me boy. They are like all scavengers, if you ignore them they go away. Try watching “Our Yorkshire Farm” Tuesdays at 8 pm on channel 5. No diversity and no political correctness. Wonderful stuff.

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  46. Lucy Pevensey says:

    Auguro a tutti Voi un Natale Sereno
    (“I wish you all a Merry Christmas” in Italian.)
    Merry Christmas to Italia From Salvini

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  48. Fedup2 says:

    The bbc website factually reports the resignation from the Corbyn cabinet – of a labour mp for Edmonton -who was shadow something because of ‘newspaper stories’ concerning her son – a councillor for Harringey relating to convictions for drug possession ‘ supply .

    But how low can the calibration of politicians go ? I’m waiting for “Thd politician of the Year” D.Lammy of the other neighbouring labour MP – D. Abbot – to make something of it – perhaps this one is even too much for them to play the eternal ‘race card ‘ – but I wouldn’t bet on it .

    If you wiki Kate Osamora – the lady in question – or read what the Guardian says about what she was alleged to have done – you might expect her political career to be extinguished but the way things are going her lack of morality will take her a long way – job on the BBC perhaps …
    Maybe drug dealing , threats of violence and politics is the culture of the Left . The BBC won’t be talking about this one for very long and it will be gone by Sunday morning .

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