Weekend Open Thread 10 November 2018

The failing Far Left BBC has enjoyed itself stabbing President Trump with its forked tongue . Now it will switch into the commemoration of the Armistice . Once upon a time it would have been wholesome and commemorated all those lives taken in the name of the freedom of Britain and the Empire from the Germans of various brands as well as other former enemies – and all wars that our country has engaged.

Let us hope those running the BBC can suspend the indoctrination  propaganda and just remember and offer thanks and – perhaps prayers to those who lost so much . RIP.


Decent language please- particularly this Weekend.

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391 Responses to Weekend Open Thread 10 November 2018

  1. Terminal Moraine says:

    UK not offering asylum to Asia Bibi, according to HuffPost which quotes a source at the British Pakistani Christian Association:

    “I’ve been lead to believe that the UK government had concerns that her moving to the UK would cause security concerns and unrest among certain sections of the community and would also be a security threat to British embassies abroad which might be targeted by Islamist terrorists.”

    Hard to verify, but not a wholly surprising response if the info is correct. That sinister, ubiquitous phrase ‘sections of the community’ for the win (yet again). Other refugees in need of the latest iPhone upgrade are of course still welcome.


    • StewGreen says:

      The UK cannot offer asylum to the legitimate Pakistani Christian refugee Asia Bibi
      … cos many of the asylum seeker Muslims including many bogus ones, might try to kill her and us.


    • Doobster78 says:

      Sorry terminal. I pressed report comment in error . ????


  2. taffman says:

    Good Brexit news from Al Beeb?………….“UK economy grows at fastest rate since late 2016”
    But they add ‘Signs of weakness’. They have to find something wrong about Brexit……..

    “However, car manufacture for export grew across the quarter, boosting factory output. Meanwhile, imports of cars dropped substantially, helping to improve Britain’s trade balance.”
    Samuel Tombs, chief UK economist at Pantheon Macroeconomics, said: “Two consecutive months of stagnation in GDP underline that the economy has little momentum and that the strong quarter-on-quarter growth rate simply reflects the weather-related rebound in the summer.
    “The expenditure breakdown of GDP, meanwhile, shows that business investment fell by 1.2% quarter-on-quarter in Q3, taking the total decline since the peak in Q4 2017 to 2.4%. The risk of a no-deal Brexit is the clear driver of the downturn.”

    Two years on and our Mrs Chamberlain has not achieved anything but uncertainty .


    • smoogie7 says:

      Is the UK economy growing because of the austerity measures which have helped turn this country around? According to the BBC, maybe not a they hardly ever post anything positive about this country and if they do thee will always be a bit of a spin on it.

      Apart from left wing Survation, all polls have show narrow leads to the Tories, some are hinting towards a continued trend against Labour whose support has decline massively since the last election.

      I am suspicious about other pollsters as well. Why did only one poll get released post budget? A budget that was seen as well received by the public? In fact the budget was so well received the BBC had o run to an independent left wing group so they could publish their exposed report that the budget ‘only benefits the rich?’

      I actually think that the Tories would poll higher or at least Labour would poll lower had the BBC not try to meddle in everything. Every week after PMQs Corbyn would be on the front page with his witty questions while the article would ignore all of the mistakes and exaggerations he makes.

      Of course Brexit is causing the Tories a lot of hard work but this s an on going process with a lot of behind the scenes stuff that journalists do not have access to or at least information that the BBC ignore if it does not fit their agenda.

      Is Brexit going badly According the BBC it is but then again we all know what their agenda is by now and the less attention that people pay them then the bigger shock it is for them when they finally implode. I would like to say that within a decade there will be no more BBC and if they are still around I think that they would be much smaller than they are now.

      Not to worry though, there are actually record numbers of people in employment (not that the BBC let us know that) so the left wing journalist and analysts can find work in a shiny new tech industry that the BBC would rather keep quiet from us


  3. Nibor says:

    Well now yesterday’s main headline from Al Beeb was the Parole Board and their little difficulty about morale because we might not think so much of them . Letting criminals out of jail shouldn’t be controversial at all , Beeboids think . And why not take a punt and let dangerous ones go free , if the risk isn’t borne by the self anointed ? Risk averse isn’t something you should have when assessing a convicts suitability for his actions outside a prison .
    So what government branch / civil service / quango will be defended by the BBC next week ? What lofty people should be excemplified as so virtuous that they can run an organisation without any regards to the ordinary Joe ?
    I’m laying it will be the Customs and Immigration sevice . Any takers ?


  4. Panda says:

    The BBC obviously think that the news about Hassan Kalif Shire Ali ( peace be upon him) is not in anyway of interest to us as it’s all but forgotten by them. Still, they are the worlds most trusted news organisation and get it it ‘about right’ so it can’t be of interest to us after all.


  5. Annunaki says:

    Debunking Islmaphobia

    I’ll quote one writer on why so many loath Islam is because of what they do:

    Your most strategic partners in the fight against Islamophobia are not Christians, but your fellow Muslims.

    If Muslims stopped killing other Muslims because they belong to a different sect; stopped forcing their chosen practices on other Muslims; tolerated less pious Muslims; did not feel enraged if other Muslims did not abstain from alcohol or pork, or did not attend the mosque; did not kill men, women and children because they adhered to other faiths; did not blame rape on the length of a woman’s skirt; did not murder their own wives because they spoke to strangers, or their daughters because they flirted with boys or because they were raped by rascals; did not wish to start World War III because some maverick cartoonist drew blasphemous caricatures; did not issue death fatwas because an author wrote a blasphemous book; or did not aim to spread their religion to the entire world, by the sword if necessary, then fighting Islamophobia would be much easier.

    The close connection of Muslim organizations such as CAIR (declared a terrorist organization by the Arab UAE) and other Muslim Brotherhood affiliated groups and Saudi backed Wahhabism are plenty of reasons to loath Islam. Saudi Arabia controls many of the Mosques in the West and is directly in many eyes behind the 911 Muslim terror attacks.

    Islam’s continuing attacks on Christians and others was ignored by the Obama Administration and is not condemned by Muslims in general – it’s always a long litany of manufactured injustices.

    Belief in Sharia Law is extremism in itself and because it’s incompatible with western culture and individual liberty must be why the atheist-left is so supportive – Muslims are seen as useful allies to attack the system.

    Tarek Fatah (a Muslim) noted in The Toronto Sun January 20, 2015:

    As the world struggles to understand and cope with the rise of pan-Islamism and international jihadi terrorism within Western countries, one thing is becoming increasingly clear – the success of the Islamists is partly due to what I believe is a grand betrayal of civil society by the political left in Western democracies. Instead of leading the fight against the fanatics’ religious obscurantism, they have embraced it…

    While Mr. Tatah can blame the Left for embracing pan-Islamism which in fact they have, the largest share of blame must be born by Muslims that REFUSE in large numbers to renounce the thugs by name and their causes.


  6. Annunaki says:

    1) Definition of racism: holding differing standards or treating people differently due to race, that like gender and species, is a product of biology. Examples of racism today is affirmative action, pretending one’s value is based on race and not merit or individual achievement, etc.

    There are no such things as trans-racialism, trans-genderism, or trans-species. You are not a cat because your mental condition leads you to believe you are.

    Racism has nothing to do with criticism of culture, politics, religion, behavior, etc. Islamic politics-religion or Latino Culture, for example, is not a race nor is Hinduism or Christianity. Yelling racism on every issue makes the term a joke.

    Noting the high levels of minority violence and criminality is a critique of culture and behavior and for the same reason, the critique of white trash meth heads has NOTHING to do with race.

    2) Definition of liberty: “The state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one’s way of life, behavior, or political views.” Collectivist philosophies such as modern liberalism and fundamentalist’ religions (Islam in particular) reject liberty.

    3) Definition of freedom: “The power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint.” Or “absence of subjection to the domination of despotic government.” Or “the state of not being imprisoned or enslaved.” The opposite is statism, socialism, and collectivism.

    4) Definition of oppression: “prolonged unjust treatment or control.” This has nothing to do with crime control or economic outcome equality, etc. Oppression is lack political freedom or individual liberty both of which don’t exist on most college campuses or under Democrat Party racialist socialism enclaves.

    5) Definition of reason: “(N) a cause, explanation, or justification for an action or event.” “(V) The power of the mind to think, understand, and form judgments by a process of logic.”

    6) Definition of fundamentalism: “a strict adherence to some belief (Islam, Judaism, Christianity, etc.) or ideology (Leftism, environmentalism), especially in a religious context.” Often runs hand-in-hand with authoritarianism.

    7) Definition free will: “The power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate, the ability to act at one’s own discretion.” The polar opposite of determinism – I advocate free will – you control your own action unless mentally ill or live under an authoritarian government such as socialist Venezuela or fundamentalist’ Iran.

    8) Definition determinism: “the doctrine that all events, including human action, are ultimately determined by causes external to the will. Some philosophers have taken determinism to imply that individual human beings have no free will and cannot be held morally responsible for their actions.” There is no empirical or scientific basis for this claim and is an aspect of Leftism that posits people can be programmed based on government intervention. Screwups and criminals in particular if members of a protected class are never held responsible for their actions.

    9) Definition empiricism: “the theory that all knowledge is derived from sense-experience. Stimulated by the rise of experimental science, it developed in 17th and 18th centuries” in Europe and America. That means one must present physical, verifiable proof not vote, conjecture, authority, or mere opinion. John Locke and David Hume are two of it’s early leaders. Science without empiricism is not science. Empiricism has nothing to do with faith, feelings, or popular vote. Leftism rejects empiricism.

    10) Definition of rationalism: “a belief or theory that opinions and actions should be based on reason and knowledge rather than on religious belief or emotional response.”

    11) Definition irrationalism: “a system emphasizing intuition, instinct, feeling, or faith rather than reason or holding that the universe is governed by irrational forces.” (Merriam-Webster) Another form of this is reading, often abused by religious kooks and political activists (judges in particular), one’s beliefs/feelings into a text unrelated to that belief or the words as normally defined and written.

    For example, many Christian and even Jewish commonly held beliefs are not supported in the Bible as written. Spare me “guidance” from angels, spirits, etc. Deut. 6:4 says God is one, while the Ten Commandments says worship of anyone or anything physical other than God is blasphemy, and you don’t get to change that fact or meaning of the text regardless of later religious authority.

    12) Definition pseudo-religion: “or pseudotheology is a pejorative term applied to a non-mainstream belief system or philosophy which is functionally similar to a religious movement, typically having a founder, principal, text, liturgy, and faith-based beliefs.” I’d add mostly secular type beliefs with no clear or multiple “founders.” Social Justice is a hodge-podge of irrational and disjointed anti-Western hate that’s the pseudo-religion of Leftism. Climate Change aka Climate Justice is another pseudo-religious sub-belief of Leftism.

    13) Definition Neo-Luddism: “any modern philosophy that is fearing and distrustful of the changes that will be brought about by technological advances. But it’s also a specific political movement, one that’s largely environmental in nature…” Another term I use is technophobia. Ref. “A Field Guide to Anti-Technology Movements, Past and Present” by Caroline Gregoire

    14) Definition of spiritualism: communication with the dead through a medium. Closely related is divine revelation where a deity, angels, etc. communicate with a prophet or other chosen individual. Also, a belief that spirit and not just matter makes up reality/universe. I classify this under irrationalism and superstition.

    15) Definition of environmentalism: multiple definitions. A theory that views environment alone rather than heredity/genetics in human and cultural development. (Leftist dogma.) This is the basis of most social engineering (with determinism) and is not scientific because there’s no empirical/scientific proof the claim, in fact the opposite.

    Or “Political and ethical movement…” Places non-human entities (rock formations, rivers, Nature, etc.) as having rights equal to or above human welfare, etc. Has undercurrents of Marxism/socialism, religious pantheism, Neo-Luddism, and spiritualism. Tends to be pseudo-religious and authoritarian.


    • Demon says:

      Excellent list Annunaki. A pity that any of it would confuse a lefty’s tiny little mind.


  7. EnglandExpects says:

    Classic Radio 4 Today interview before the 8 am news, giving a free speech platform for a no borders, mass immigration fanatic. And a chance to add to the usual dose of criticism of President Trump. Justin Webb allowed this individual to speak without interruption, turning an interview into a speech. We were even told that American law allows immigrants to enter the USA illegally, surely a tautology.


    • Up2snuff says:

      Is the USA not a signatory to the Vienna Convention.

      (Think it is the Vienna Convention that applies – am posting from memory, which may be as unreliable as the BBC!)


    • Up2snuff says:

      GW, Treaties here, Treaties there, Treaties everywhere ……

      ….. and don’t they sometimes cause immense problems?

      Versailles to Rome to Maastricht to Lisbon.


  8. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY informs me that Jeremy Vine is anti-car.

    We would all like to have a highly paid job, Jeremy, and be able to live in an expensive house within walking or cycling distance of a single place of work.

    Some have to be Doctors (in the NHS that you no doubt revere, Jeremy) and need to travel quickly & efficiently between two or three hospitals in a Group.

    Some have to be engineers or technicians of some sort that carry equipment, tools and supplies from home to client and possibly/probably on to another client and then another through the working day.

    I just hope, Jeremy, that if you fall off your bicycle thanks to one of Mayor Khan’s potholes, when the NHS wishes to put bandages & drugs on your injuries that you do not have to refuse treatment because said bandages & drugs were delivered to the NHS by a fossil-fuel burning vehicle, perhaps in a car!


  9. AsISeeIt says:

    Fact checking Radio 4

    8.30am headline news reader, having lovingly stroked his tongue around the name of French President Emmanuel Macron, goes on to tell us a remembrance ceremony will take place “In the railway carriage in which the Armistice was signed”

    Didn’t the Germans haul it away in 1940 and then have it blown up?

    As Basil Fawlty once said about our friends the Germans “Forgive and forget and all that….”


    • Up2snuff says:

      I posted on here several months ago, AISI, that the 100% correct, trustworthy, BBC might get the date for the end of WW1 wrong. They are also wrong on the place where WW1 ended. It was definitely not in that railway carriage.

      From what I have heard in the last two days, that is a prediction that appears to be correct.

      Justin Webb has just got it wrong, on air, as I typed!


      • Yasser Dasmibehbi says:

        I thought I read somewhere that the ‘surrender’ railway carriage is being lovingly restored so as Theresa May can sign her Chequers Brexit deal in it.


  10. Beeb Brother says:

    Great that Dr Who is haemorrhaging viewers. As long as the show is good I could not care less about the gender, skin colour etc or the stars. We used to love Fresh Prince of Bel Air growing up as it was so good – not because it dealt with ‘black issues’ in a serious, leftoid way but because it was fun, funny etc. How much brouhaha and back slapping about a female Dr Who? Yet for all that it has ruined the show.

    Equally, Sadiq Khan’s election was meant to magically work wonders due to his skin colour but due to his incompetence minority men are being murdered.

    Will they ever reconsider the whole ‘diversity above all’ nonsense in the face of such overwhelming evidence that character is all that matters? If the industrial racist raping of children does not then clearly nothing ever will.


    • Up2snuff says:

      Beeb Bro, “Equally, Sadiq Khan’s election was meant to magically work wonders due to his skin colour but due to his incompetence minority men are being murdered.”

      Not just incompetence, I think he is also in post as a potential Labour spoiler to any and every Conservative Government that might be in power in Westminster.

      Regional Mayors are not a good idea in a small country like the UK. (It is why sensible, thoughtful people in the north-east of England have largely rejected them so far.) They are expensive, tax-payer funded spoilers to any united, cohesive governance.


      • tarien says:

        In the case of this man Sadiq Khan you are correct-but let us remind ourselves of how he got voted, never mind that he should never have been given a right to stand, it was the overpowering Londonstan majority that gave him the Mayorship of London-that gave a great boost to all Muslims wherever in the world to have one of theirs in such power. Moreover we have become daft, dam stupid, to be led by those who are blind to the will of the people, traiterous to our past, now weak bellied open like a prostitute-we should all hang our heads in shame as we stand to honour those that fought and died in 1918 as well as 1939/45 not forgetting the terrible suffering of ours and many others who fought in the Far East against the Japs in every way as bad as the Holocust.


    • BRISSLES says:

      Not forgetting of course the hilarious Trading Places. Would Eddie Murphy get away with faking his disability in today’s climate without some twat on twitter causing an outcry ? I think not. An excellent black and white movie.


  11. Up2snuff says:

    Just another thought on the end of WW1, the correct end of WW1 – it has just struck me that the BBC’s Lefty-Libbies are probably not the sort of people who visit and really look at War Memorials. Their Lefty-Libbie blinkers probably only enable a dismissing of them, including the dates engraved thereon.


  12. fakenewswatcher says:

    Are politicians self-serving and treacherous by nature? The present Brexit chaos was inevitable, once parliament demanded back the decision it had ‘given’ to the people.
    You think back to the expenses scandal etc and you wonder whether any of them care a fig about ‘making a difference’. They seem to want power, and to rub the faces of voters in the dirt every ever so often, to remind them who’s boss.
    There may once even have been people with principles, even if we didn’t agree with them: an Enoch Powell, a Tony Benn, a Margaret Thatcher.
    But, the Commons- crowded out with people who are there because they represent some or the other ‘minority’, MPs now seem mostly devoid of common sense, intelligence and integrity –and even the basic skills with which to perform their jobs. I won’t even talk about the laughable bunch sitting in the Lords, the very symbol of all that is wrong with our model of ‘democracy’.
    The media are mostly complicit: this morning Toady ended with a few words from Polly Toynbee, says it all really.

    The rot starts at the top.


    • G says:

      Have some sympathy. Since June 2016, our illustrious Treezer has been torn between the NWO/Globalists/EU who have collectively worked to thwart the decision of the majority of the British public and that same public. As not unexpected, the NWO/Globalists/EU will prevail.


    • tarien says:

      Agree but now we need to be informed of what the new proposition is in detail that T May is supposedly presenting to the Commons. If there is the slightest diversion from what the majority of the British people voted for to LEAVE is compromised in any way then we should leave the EU without a deal-better the devil you know than the Devil you don’t.


  13. Up2snuff says:

    I wonder how long BBC R4 will keep the Jo Johnson resignation thing going.

    Maybe we should ‘run a book’ on it? All done and dusted after Tuesday evening’s TWT?


    • Luckyharry69 says:

      There is huge news in Florida about possible voting fraud etc…80,000 votes have mysteriously appeared in the last few days….its big news

      BUT the BBC choose to go with Boris’s brother and another possible vote on Europe……speaks volumes in my opinion.


  14. Up2snuff says:

    Oh dear! It appears that the BBC’s problem with maps, geography and the points of the compass may have struck again.


    If you look at the section ‘Where did the buildings collapse?’ you find a G**gle Earth screen-grab and this: “But some Marseille people may know the Rue d’Aubagne best as a street to take from the Canebière to reach the clubs and cafes of the popular Cours Julien quarter nearby.”

    In a round about sort of way.


    I wonder how the BBC knows all about the clubs and cafes of Cours Julien?


  15. MarkyMark says:

    When I hear or see BBC Radio 2’s Graham Norton this is what springs to mind …



  16. TrueToo says:

    This is going back ten years to an Intelligence Squared debate on the proposition that George Bush was the worst US president in 50 years.

    I bring it to the attention of my esteemed colleagues here because of a fascinating exchange between a tough black dude in the audience and Simon Jenkins, whose entire contribution to the debate was to trash Bush’s America and sympathise with the Muslim world – as one would expect from a Guardian writer and member of the blinkered liberal elite of which the BBC is such a staunch member.

    Debate moderator John Donvan could see that the back dude was not satisfied with the answer to his question so he allowed him to follow it up.

    The whole debate is quite interesting but this four minute bit is a real treat.


  17. theisland says:

    This needs investigating …


  18. tarien says:

    A future in which we realise that global success and local failure will always sadly go hand in hand: that of course we can continue to grow and compete with China or we can nourish our landscapes, cultures and relationships, as those who gave their lives in both world wars would have wanted, BUT we cannot do both. To battle for what is ours, rather than to watch it pulled out from under us by the EU Government, by money and self interest. Because, ultimately whatever central or local government does, whatever laws might be made for or against, our country can only be created by the people who live in it-if we are successful in moving away fromm that dependency culture which will eventually cripple us, then it is up to all of us. There is still a United Kingsom, still a green and pleasant land, but it can live or die and then we shall be citizens of Nowhere, or we can know it and be prepared to stand up for it as they did in 1918. The choice as ever is ours.


  19. countryblues says:

    I’ve only just read the earlier exchanges about the use of ‘bad’ words or language on this site and it’s not my aim to reignite differences of opinion but, I would like some clarification.

    Are you saying it’s OK to add asterisks e.g. C***, F***, N*****? Or print C-word, F-word, N-word? FFS? Are all these not just as bad when we all know what they signify?

    In real life I never swear in front of people I’m not familiar with and only then sparingly but, personally, I’m not offended by people on this site letting off steam with a few ‘naughty’ words. I guess it all depends upon whether we consider ourselves familiar with one another or total strangers.

    Just a thought FFS! 😉


    • StewGreen says:

      @Fedup The is a reason why we can’t swear on this site.
      If we swear it gives the dark forces an excuse to add this site to ban-lists for public wi-fi.
      It used to be banned at this library but got unbanned.
      That is why when quoting yes I use **$!? etc.


      • Guest Who says:

        We can. It just needs to be removed for the perfectly good reason above.

        For anyone feeling they are missing something essential still (parental advisory):

        Guest Who, I’m sorry, but I had to remove that video – as much for the awful singing as the swearing!


    • Fedup2 says:

      Country ,
      After getting fed up and abused on this subject last night – which I didn’t expect to be so offensive I said I wouldn’t be writing until after Sunday – but would be monitoring the site .

      My view is this . One day there will be a review of the BBC and a call for evidence of its behaviour , I’d hope that this and other sites can provide that evidence to get the BBC either changed or abolished .
      I’m not going to engage in what and is not permissible – apart from what I wrote yesterday . Some might treat it as a game – well as they say – good luck with that .

      I’m more interested in what the BBC is doing .

      Sometime ago there was a call for volunteers to help with this site and its’ aims . So I volunteered . I’m not sorry for what I do but I am sorry for people who want to put the C or F word on the site .
      In real life I can swear like a trooper in certain circumstances and grew up in East Londonistan where F was used in every other sentence . But a blog like this and its’ archive is a bit different isn’t it?

      If any one replies to this requesting me to comment it won’t be until after the 11th of November – the day which in my opinion started the rot which has led this country to the sorry state it is in now . Message Ends .


    • JimS says:

      One advantage of communicating via a keyboard is that there is a delete key and there is no limit on how many times one can use it before clicking on the ‘post’ button.

      Swearing is one way of expressing anger but it isn’t very good at explaining why one is angry, indeed expressing anger at all is a very good way of losing a (potential) dispute. Contrast “Excuse me waiter, I think there is something wrong with my meal”, with, “Oi! Fatty! Get your … over ‘ere..”. The former approach allows for resolution, the latter ensures conflict. ‘Shouting’ may feel good but it loses audiences and arguments.

      Changing someone’s name can be fun but at the end of the day it is just name-calling and I think it is better to offer sound arguments rather than copy the examples of those that resort to ‘racist, ‘Daily Mail reader’ etc.

      Abbreviating ‘naughty’ words as place-holders in an explanation is one thing but I don’t like to see it used where I wouldn’t like to see the actual word, i.e. under no circumstances would I use the ‘f-word’, (substitution used as place-holder), and accordingly I don’t like to see the phrase containing that word abbreviated to three letters that needs to be ‘spoken’ in full when read.

      Facts and arguments please, not ‘effing’ feelings – it’s the ‘feelings’ people that we are up against!


      • ID says:

        What you say about asterisked obscenities is correct. Whether I read or write “f##k” or even the big, big C, it’s like a muslim woman wearing a diaphanous burka and in fact modesty is in no way preserved.
        Why do you get to decide what polite intercourse is?
        Facts and arguments please.
        The basic flaw in your argument is that you are reacting to the feelings that. F and c evoke in you. You say “effing feelings” should be ignored and do not do so yourself.
        You simply contradict yourself.


        • Fedup2 says:

          ID I’ve trashed one of your comments and edited this one. I have also taken out the word you used to describe me in Hungarian after I translated it and found it to be personally offensive . Use that language again and I will take you off this site . I suggest you contact David Vance on your email address for guidance .

          If you are in London I would be pleased to meet you face to face . So please let me know . I put yesterday Down to a ‘one off’ but your conduct is continuing today . Try being nice not nasty .


          • ID says:


            Please, please take me off the site permanently.
            It would be a new experience, never having been banned for naughtiness before.
            But seriously though, excellent as your work is, I realised some time ago that, due to the Putin apologists, this site is not for me.


            • Fedup2 says:

              I guess you are not interesting in meeting up then – pity – our discussion would be much better to be face to face as opposed to being trolled by you . Just think – you could F and C to me all you want and see what happens – prig that I am .

              Find another site if you want – bye .


              • ID says:


                It’s not that I have no interest. I live rather a long way
                from London.
                All the best!


            • Guest Who says:

              Sorely misssed.


        • JimS says:

          I don’t get to decide what polite discourse is but I can say where my limits lie. The point that I was trying to make is that a comment can be between mild and hard-core but turn up the wick and fewer people will listen to the message.

          As to ‘feelings’, the language isn’t important, saying “The BBC is rubbish” is a feeling, albeit mildly expressed. It becomes no more than a feeling by wrapping it up with verbal effluent. In the context of this site, and in the sense that I meant it, ‘facts’ would be explaining why “The BBC is rubbish”. That will, of course, be subjective but at least it gives some basis for discussion.

          P.S. Fedup2 I commend you for your patience and restraint!


  20. Scroblene says:

    “The choice as ever is ours.”

    Good post Tarien, but your final point doesn’t apply to the likes of dregs like Blair, Major and Clarke, as well as too many more elitist remoaners who worship the bbbc, the grauniad, that funny rag called ‘i’ or something, and all snowflakes, sjws and leftie npcs!

    The bbbc should really be ashamed of its awful leftie agenda, and luckily more and more people just ignore their bias!

    One more election should get them packing!


  21. smoogie7 says:

    Just waiting to see if our national broadcaster would report on a Scotland Yard investigation towards a potential ‘government in waiting’


    I guess that I will be waiting all day, or forever?


    • TrueToo says:


      Thanks for posting that link. Google informs me that the BBC reported on the issue on Nov 2, but has apparently not updated it.


  22. Despairada says:

    Will this globally important event get any exposure on the media?
    “The United Nations, in a non-binding agreement that almost all UN member states will sign at a ceremony in Morocco in early December, is making migration a human right.”

    Read at:

    I couldn’t find anything about this on the BBC website and I don’t remember hearing anything on R4.

    Also of interest is Gatestone’s monthly account of “A Month of Multiculturalism in Britain: October 2018”.


    I don’t think this is biased by being selective. Gatestone seems to be one of the few places you get to know what is really going on. In that article it’s depressing that the percentages in surveys objecting to various aspects of islamisation are so low.


    • G says:

      Yes, all involved have been pretty quiet about this.
      Just think, as more countries back out of the Grand Migration Plan, it will leave that UN quoted 250 million odd “migrants” kicking about right now, less countries to ‘select’ to settle in. Since the UK has always been a preferred location as a result of the generous benefit system paid for by the , “good ol’ taxpayer”, “all the more the merrier”? After all, what could be the affect of reaching a 100 million in the UK in a short space of time – the extra millions arriving as and when they please. Forget getting to see a GP…………….


  23. Guest Who says:

    The Reds have a new morale officer…

    “Two, four, six, seven, why are wimmin simply heaven… Gooo… Katty!”


  24. Celtic_Mist says:

    BiasedBBC cleverly use Newswatch to get their propaganda across, for example, by describing CNN’s Jim Acosta as a “Victim of a Presidential Tongue Lashing”..



  25. Celtic_Mist says:

    The ‘doctored’ video


  26. Sluff says:

    We’re watching Scotland v Fiji rugby on BBC1.

    The sycophantic, fawning, nationalistic pro Scotland commentary from entirely Scottish commentators is absolutely dreadful and nauseating.

    It’s something you’ll not hear in any coverage involving England, where suddenly the BBC feel the need to be impartial.


  27. TrueToo says:

    In reply to the comment on swearing by countryblues upthread:

    I would prefer to see people use that old, but useful device of letting off steam thus: %)&$

    As fedup2 mentioned, there was a call for volunteer editors to monitor the site and so I did. One of David Vance’s concerns – perhaps the main concern – was swearing.

    It’s not a good idea for this site to start to resemble the comment sections under contentious YouTube videos. That will just discredit the site and damage the message that we strive to send to the BBC and its fellow travelers.


    • Fedup2 says:

      I don’t recommend programmes on the BBC very much . However Sunday night has the first TV showing of “They shall not grow old “ showing cleaned up images from The Great War .
      This was on limited national cinema release and I saw it there but it really is quite a feat to bring the shaky film from a hundred years ago up to modern quality .

      All though it has the BBC logo on it the material has not been through the bias injection unit .


      • Banania says:

        Voices of the First World War has also been a brilliant series; the sort of thing the BBC used to do all the time.


    • Lefty Wright says:

      Of course I absolutely agree that the owner and editor of the website should write and enforce the rule book. My problem is that I received the majority of my education on building sites and if it’s not permitted to use F’s and C’s it reduces my known, usable vocabulary by about 70%. And probably a good portion of the remaining 30% would be flying a bit close to the wind.
      Your suggested compromise of: %)&$, doesn’t really do it for me. What is meant by percent, bracket, ampersand, dollar.?
      Seriously though, if I had thought for one moment that my use of an expletive would set some of my shipmates at each other’s throats I would certainly have chosen an alternative way to express my thoughts. The last thing we need is infighting.
      Perhaps I will seek out some English evening classes to increase my vocabulary skills. Sorry to all that were offended by my post.


  28. Lurkio says:

    Now, this IS impressive. After seeing Fedup2’s post re ‘They Shall Not Grow Old’ I had a search on the BBC website when I saw an interesting link on the BBC III site about misheard lyrics written by ‘Ashitha Nagesh’. It began okay and then, a few sentences in, this:

    “Before we had responsibilities and, admittedly, before we fully realised how problematic it was that the only black woman in the group was called Scary. Sigh.”

    I am no massive fan of the group but I don’t recall anyone, let alone the singer herself, claiming the name was ‘problematic’. Could it be that Ms Nagesh (“Brown, Vegan” – her words) has discovered a previously unknown issue with race and felt compelled to share?

    Happily corrected if this WAS an issue. Just seems an odd thing to bring in to an article on misheard lyrics.



  29. Guest Who says:

    Anthony has awoken and is, like, ‘reporting’ from ‘sources’…


  30. Guest Who says:

    The bbc ‘question as a headline’ is a tried and trusted technique, but this is pure advocacy.


  31. Guest Who says:

    They have hired Buzz Lightyear to present it. Apparently.


    (This might be ironic).


  32. ScottishCalvin says:

    A followup on the US election results


  33. Guest Who says:

    Given a news item that is dominating the headlines beyond the bbc bubble, their response is subtle… no, really subtle.

    I am always fascinated by the provenance chain of such ‘news’ from member of the public to a waiting cubicle gardener.


    • Guest Who says:

      There is of course a bbc testy snark to a comment…

      And another tweet, that was next to it.


  34. StewGreen says:

    In a village there is a teacher who tries to expose criminals
    … but some of the criminals friends get together
    … and then run to moneychanger Schulman
    … and said they have heard the teacher BLASPHEMING,
    …. So moneychanger Schulman has now said the teacher is not welcome in his shop.

    Who are we talking about ?
    Is the teacher Asaia Bibi ………… or Tommy Robinson ?


    Paypal is persecuting TR for criticising Islam on the say of SumOfUs
    …ie Paypal is enforcing a BLASPHEMY law against Tommy
    .. just the same way Asia Bibi is persecuted by the Pakistan village mob.

    This whole thing of service bans for some and not for others
    is against the principles of EQUALITY of OPPORTUNITY
    It makes some More Equal than others

    Now when people commit a crime we have a process of judging them , then society punishes them.

    But when corps PRE-JUDGE people without that judicial process and punish them ..what do we call that ?
    .. Don’t we put the words PRE and Justice together ?

    Furthermore SumOfUs are acting like 17th century pitchfork mob shouting “He’s a witch at Tommy”


    • StewGreen says:

      Pakistan has its blasphemy laws that protect Islam
      ..theoretically in the UK Islam is not protected by blasphemy laws

      but our de-facto British blasphemy law says
      .. “Thou shallt not say/do anything that inspires hate of protected minority categories”
      … See that is a blasphemy law

      Tommy speaks, & the SumOfUs pitch-fork mob shout “witch!, witch! Tommy spreads hate ! deplatform him deplatform him !”
      … Just like that village mob in Pakistan

      Now see how antifa, UAF, SumOfUs are free to spread as much real HATE towards Tommy as they like, cos as a heterosexual/white/man he is not in a protected category.

      See that is the “MoreEqual than others” thing, which the idea of HateCrime law is itself against principles of EQUALITY.


    • StewGreen says:

      \\ Yes, they abolished the literal blasphemy act,
      and then turned right around and started pumping out ‘hate crime’ laws,
      which is de facto blasphemy law.
      Don’t believe me?
      Try going to a public space with a Koran, start ripping out pages and dismiss it as nonsense.//


  35. MartinW says:

    BBC R4 News at 6 o’clock: The headlines ended with: ” … and Trump calls off a visit to the American Cemetery because of rain” (beautifully constructed to ensure maximum sneering and derision from the listening public, and in line with the BBC’s anti-Trump crusade). The main news was no better, with the listener given the impression that Pres. Trump called off the visit because he might get wet. A truthful BBC would have said something like “… President Trump was unable to visit the American Cemetery because heavy rain had grounded his helicopter, Marine One.” (the real cause places no blame on Pres. Trump, therefore the BBC would not have included that sort of statement in the news. Is there any wonder that thinking folk mistrust the BBC, especially where Pres. Trump is concerned. .


    • TrueToo says:


      That’s a fine example of bias by omission of facts from the sly BBC. I doubt any of the dumb hacks pretending to be educated journalists have a tenth of Trump’s energy and commitment.


      • Oaknash says:

        And that is why I honestly HATE the BBC so much.

        I read something the other day (sorry I forgot the exact details) that this dishonourable, lying, treacherous organisation are “advising” again on how to spot fake news.

        My advice would be just turn on the BBC news and there it all is.


    • Roland Deschain says:

      I wondered what the truth was behind this. Up to now, I’ve only learned about this through the non-stop barrage of retweeted bile against the President which has been forthcoming from Katty ever since the election. She has become increasingly demented about him, to the extent I’ve muted her.


      • Guest Who says:

        In the same way as the old bbc farts default swung behind Acosta, this appears the narrative being chosen around this situation.

        It seems unlikely that the situation is as described, so I await finding out what the bbc chose to ignore this time.


        • Doobster78 says:

          This is precisely the reason why President Trump quite rightly dispises the BBC , CNN etc etc. There is no way on god’s earth he wouldn’t attend the said event just because it was raining. Just would NOT happen. There’s no doubt a very good reason but the BBC won’t give a toss about finding out the real reason when they can whip the SJW’s and snowflakes into a twitter frenzy and belittle the President once again. I along with President Trump utterly despise the BBC and this is the perfect example of why. It’s actually disgusting bias and when people like katty, Sopel and Bowen retweet this crap it highlights the depth of the cesspit we are dealing with. Look forward to their apologies when the truth comes out but I won’t hold my breath.


        • Guest Who says:

          Here’s John’s attempt.


          • Doobster78 says:

            And just look at the Trump hatred he has stirred up with that one tweet. All those sanctimonious, holier than thou , social justice, trump hating warriors unable to contain themselves. Again, they don’t give a stuff about finding out the REAL truth. They blindly follow . Sickening.


          • MartinW says:

            John Simpson, an overbearing vain creature of the BBC. His tweet speaks volumes about him.


          • Guest Who says:



          • Roland Deschain says:

            Mr Simpson does make it quite hard to hold to the no swearing policy here. The BBC is truly a cesspit and he is the slurry at the bottom.


            • Guest Who says:

              I’m sure there will be more.

              Now, it is possible that a US President decided to blow off a hugely symbolic event on a weather-related whim, and no seasoned political staff saw this is an issue.

              But it is also possible Presidents may have other reasons; maybe some that could emerge, or need to be kept secret.

              That this does not even occur to many ‘journalists’ before hitting their hit piece keyboards is… hardly a surprise.


              • Lucy Pevensey says:

                Suddenly we are expected to believe that BBC so-called journalists along with the globalists, Macron, Merkel & Trudeau who have done everything they can to tear down Western civilisation are oozing sincere patriotism? While the proven hero of our time (Trump) just couldn’t be bothered?

                Methinks Beeby believes we are much more stooopider than we actually is. Innit?


  36. Chalkywhite says:

    Funny how normally the BBC ‘news’ (loose term I know) site revolves it’s ‘top’ stories every couple of hours or so. Except, if they have a negative Brexit or Trump story, it sits there for days and days. The Jo Johnson article has been at the ‘top’ since Friday evening (It even shows an update, as I’m typing this, of 3 hours. But as far as I can see it hasn’t changed one iota since yesterday evening.

    Looking forward to all the Brexit food stockpiling scaremonger stories over the coming weeks…..(they’ve started already)

    Oh, and how much have the so called ‘People’s vote’ been spending over the last few months? (where is the money coming from?) Bet that doesn’t lead to a Panorama or 5 Live investigation!


    • Luckyharry69 says:

      Ive noticed that as well…the Johnson story has been stuck there for hours……


  37. Up2snuff says:

    Fake/False Newsers, the BBC, had the Armistice and the end of WW1 completely wrong in the 6pm R4 news. The fact that Merkel & Macron, without May, are getting together in that replica railway carriage has got them in a bit of a spin.

    How hard is it to check ‘WW1 The Armistice’ in a G**gle search?

    Or they could ask that Amazon thingy ….


  38. taffman says:

    Al Beeb informs us………….. \\The UK needs to “pause and reflect” before doing something “irrevocably stupid” over Brexit, Jo Johnson said a day after quitting as a minister.//.
    A remainer ‘quits’ a Cabinet of Remainers and calls for another referendum ?
    That’s what all remainers want. Is it a political stunt for the media to latch on to with another anti-Brexit story ?
    Has anyone thought about the time Al Beeb and the MSM keep the debate for freedom and independence going for? Its more than two years .
    This is much longer than the time that it took for the Allies to free Europe from the D-Day Landings to the end of WW2.
    The Government we have has kept this propaganda going for such a long time because it wants another Second Vote.
    Remember, the Government is a Remainer government.


  39. pugnazious says:

    Extraordinary from the gutless, toe-the-orthodox-liberal-line Sopel who sent out numerous tweets defending Acosta but now praises Maitlis for her unusually non-BBC take on events…

    Ironically we have this curious Sopel tweet about a White House comment that in no way indicates a ‘moving of the goalposts’ that he claims, more a digging in….

    It is now Sopel who moves his goalposts….or rather Maitlis does…shame Sopel doesn’t have the guts to do his own thinking and come up with real analysis that isn’t just the usual anti-Trump ‘liberal’ crowd-pleasing tripe he so often churns out.


  40. pugnazious says:

    The statue commemorating Sikh troops in both world wars that has been vandalised had some interesting graffiti scrawled across it…interesting in what it said and what it did and didn’t cross out.

    The BBC report ‘Police are treating it as racially aggravated criminal damage. ‘ and this ‘By Friday, part of the memorial had been sprayed with the words “Sepoys no more” – a term referring to Indian soldiers who served in the British Indian Army or for other European armies.

    A black line was also scored through the words “of the Great War” and replaced by “1 jarnoil”. There has been speculation on social media that this refers to Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale who was a militant religious leader killed when Indian government forces stormed the Golden Temple in Amritsar in 1984. ‘

    No attempt to analyse things further. Most likely a Sikh militant supporter…hence we get ‘Lions’ not crossed out, just ‘the Great War’ as well as the obvious reference to a Sikh Militant…Jarnail.

    Just an anti-colonial activist Sikh…you would suppose…not ‘colonial subservient Sepoys’ now but still ‘lions’. Hence why it’s not on the BBC frontpage I imagine as it would be if the BBC thought it was Tommy Robinson etc.

    If it’s ‘racially motivated’ it would be anti-British wouldn’t it?…guessing the police will drop all inquiries once this sinks in…much as the Muslim who similarly vandalised a war memorial was let off….as it wasn’t ‘racially motivated’…I suppose not as Islam isn’t a race…surely a ‘hate crime’ though…which is the same thing…


    Two year conditional discharge…and he threatened to kill the PM!!!!

    ‘A Muslim protester who daubed a war memorial with graffiti glorifying Osama Bin Laden and proclaiming ‘Islam will dominate the world’ walked free from court after prosecutors ruled his actions were not motivated by religion.

    Tohseef Shah, 21, could have faced a tougher sentence if the court had accepted that the insults – which included a threat to kill the Prime Minister – were inspired by religious hatred. ‘


    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      Pug, I don’t get it, “religious hatred” carries a tougher sentence than other types of hatred? There is a legal scale for hatred?

      And judging by the above story Islam is exempt from the scale?

      Excuse me, I feel like I’m reading a bad futuristic science fiction novel.
      Is this the new Dr Who?….. Dr Whoslam


    • tipple says:

      I thought this as well. How many white racist thugs even know what a Sepoy was, let alone what the ‘1 Jarnoil’ referred to. The DM cut the word Jarnoil out of the photo’s so they could fan the flames. The police are dimwitts if they really think a white person did this out of hatred.


    • BlackCountryWench says:

      I live there and it’s thought locally that some of our RoP friends decided to do it. It’s a terrible shame as it’s a lovely statue and the words on it are meaningful for all residents, not just the Sikh community.

      A Sikh friend of mine said that if and when the people who painted the graffiti are found (and they will be as the temple which is almost opposite to the statue are on the warpath), members of the temple will deal with them before the police are involved.

      Frankly, having known some of the gentlemen concerned since childhood, and believe me they are gentlemen, the offenders should be hoping the police find them first!


  41. Dover Sentry says:

    Very Unlikely News:

    ‘War Veteran To Be Director General Of BBC’.


  42. Guest Who says:

    Unless they make knickers with front bolt pockets, seems reasonable.


  43. StewGreen says:

    Andrew Neil doesn’t conform to BBC groupthink

    We gave asylum to Malala


  44. Guest Who says:

    The BBC appears to have found more money for this sponsored piece of ‘reporting’…


    • taffman says:

      Guest Who
      Does Lord Hall Hall actually see what rubbish is broadcast?
      How much does the Telly Tax pay him?
      Disgraceful !
      Why has Mrs Chamberlain and her ‘so called’ Tory Party done diddley squat about Al Beeb?
      Vote and support UKIP. The Welsh did and England should follow.
      They will abolish the Telly Tax.


    • StewGreen says:

      104K views that’s close to the million that Tommy can get
      but only 132 comments there
      so they must be getting from crossposts of it elsewhere on other BBC pages and Twitter etc.


  45. Lucy Pevensey says:

    I’m with you. I couldn’t bring myself to vote Lib/Lab/Con again unless things change fast & thoroughly.


  46. scribblingscribe says:

    JEREMY CLARKSON in The Sun today.
    “BBC is now only giving front-line jobs to women just like Doctor Who — and they’ve totally lost the plot.”

    HAVEN’T watched Dr Who since I was a small boy and I didn’t understand it even then, but I’m told the current series is in trouble — with viewing figures in freefall.

    Angry fans say it’s littered with ham- fisted attempts to ram Lefty dogma down our throats, and if you look at the storylines, it seems they do have a point.
    The Doctor has witnessed a man giving birth and has visited a civil rights activist in Alabama in the 1950s. It’s not so much “exterminate, exterminate, exterminate” as “indoctrinate, indoctrinate, indoctrinate”.

    Next up, I should imagine, the Tardis will be serviced free of charge by a nice, beardy man called Jeremy Corbyn. The BBC really is having a hard time with being neutral these days.

    I heard one of its news reporters this week explaining that fat-cat businessmen who pay themselves too much should think twice.

    He may have a point. It may be something many people agree with. But his job is to report the news, not give us his opinion on it. We get this constantly these days.

    Every time they mention Donald Trump, you can actually hear them swallowing their own sick. There is a palpable sense that they hate him and an assumption that you do too.

    This may be correct. It’s hard to find a Trump fan on this side of the Atlantic, but it’s not the BBC’s job to reflect this.

    Naturally, the BBC has embraced the #metoo movement and, keen to show off its pioneering spirit, is now only giving frontline jobs to women. Bravely, Nick Robinson auditioned this week to be host of Question Time, but there is literally no way in hell he’ll get the gig.

    It’ll go to a woman, same as the Radio 2 Breakfast show, and the drive-time show and, indeed, the role of Dr Who.

    Back in the summer, a BBC chief actually said that the days of middle-aged white men standing on hills telling the viewers things are over. On that basis, there will be no more Attenborough. Maybe that’s why his next series is being made by Netflix.

    I watched a BBC film this week. It’s called Denial, it has a stellar cast and the storyline is this: The holocaust did happen.

    I’m aware that there are three or maybe four people in the world who think it didn’t, but making a whole film to prove them wrong seems silly. It’d be like making a film to show everyone that the world is round.

    But even though we know about the Holocaust, the hero of the piece — Rachel Weisz — becomes increasingly shrill throughout the movie, shrieking over and over again about how the gas chambers were real. We know, love. Calm down.
    After about 50 minutes, I decided I’d pitch the BBC a film that proves once and for all that pigeons definitely have wings.

    But then I was distracted because Rachel was in the middle of a speech about all of the other things that are undeniable. I waited a moment because I knew it was coming, and yes!!! There it was: Global warming.

    I spent many happy years at the BBC and made many friends. I like it. I think it’s a valuable institution.

    But there is absolutely no doubt that these days, it’s been hijacked by people who wouldn’t know the concept of “unbiased” even if it leapt out of a hedge in a pirate costume and bit their foot.