Start the Week Open Thread 5 November 2018

The Far Left BBC staff are in full anti Trump cry as the American Midterms arrive . They never seem to have been so important and never has so much bias been directed at a President – non politician – by so many. The main stream media will be desperate to write the epitaph for what they call ‘populism ‘ but others would call democracy . I really hope they are unable to do that but let’s see….

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765 Responses to Start the Week Open Thread 5 November 2018

  1. MarkyMark says:

    UK 2018 …
    Home Office, UK Security … Islamist …. Sajid Javid.
    London Mayor, UK Prosperity … Islamist … Sadiq Khan.
    CEO of Bernados, UK Children … Islamist .. Javed Khan.
    Prime Minister’s Special Envoy on Freedom of Religion or Belief … Islamist … Lord Ahmed.
    BBC religion and ethics commissioning … Islamist … Fatima Salaria

    Saudi Arabia 2018 …
    0 Churches.
    0 Christians in high places.


  2. Up2snuff says:

    BBC R4 6pm News – Diabetes.

    The latest threat to the NHS. People are ignoring advice on healthy diets and exercise. Well if they get contradictory news of health threats, food fads and diet advice constantly from the media (think red meat tax, yesterday) can you really blame them for switching off and reaching for the cookie jar with a soothing cuppa?

    This is much more likely to drain the NHS of resources:

    Last-but-one newspaper front page, today’s Sun. Gran aged 50 gives birth (cost: 35 doctors, nurses & midwives in attendance – if you can believe the Sun newspaper) to quads after IVF treatment (more cost) and will no doubt be entitled to a new batch of Child Allowance (yet more cost – this time to the Benefits system.).

    No wonder she is smiling.

    Those four babies, bless ’em – and Mum, will be visiting the NHS regularly for the next eighteen years. (Even more cost!)

    It is not (really) old people that cost the NHS money even though we are told that by the BBC’s reporters and editors and presenters, together with our politicians, week in and week out. It is the young – a new study last week found greatest use of A&E by teens, not oldies – and the middle-aged. To live longer (which the BBC tells us we are all doing) you have to be healthier in old age, not sick and a drain on the NHS.


  3. JimS says:

    Some random thoughts:

    In our household we play a game with films made in the USA, spot the ‘f-word’. It is quite quick to play as the first one is usually said before the main titles are over. Bear in mind the political leanings of most of Hollywood it is pretty clear where responsibility for the start of all ‘bad-mouthing’ belongs. The same can be said of all the ‘comedy’ shows on the BBC, lefty 40 year-olds, going on 12, university educated but the only punchline, noun, adjective or verb they can utter is the ‘s-word’. [One of the best films ever is Witness. Lots of bad things happen and there are lots of bad people but the language is quite mild. There is an instance of the ‘s-word’, when one of the baddies steps in a cow pat – that was funny!].

    I know a lady of carribean origins. All the females that I know that know her remark how strong she is, she takes no nonsense! Personally I think she would do a bit better if she backed off a bit, not everything has to be a battle. She is very good with the race card as she confidently says “We do this” and it is quite clear that ‘we’ doesn’t include the whiter shades of pale. One of those asked the name of the taller of two girls playing on a swing and that produced the comment, “You mean the black girl?” Only a spade can call a spade a spade, the rest of us struggle with digging instrument or the flat thing.

    It occurs to me that her attitude is cultural not racial. She is an example of the ‘matriarchy’ that our sisters in the BBC and government wish to advance. This is the culture where boys live in fear of their mothers and where they have no self-respect so they ‘earn’ it by carrying knives. They are scared of women so they impregnate and run, leaving yet another generation of irresponsible men and another generation of man-scolding sisters to repeat the cycle.

    Welcome to Polly Toynbee’s utopia.


    • JamesG says:

      Yes, one of the main themes of the age we’re living in is an attempt by the elite to destroy any sense of brotherhood amongst ordinary men, particularly white men, and especially white working-class men. They want to reduce everyone to individuals at each others throats, because they know that people are much easier to control that way. They want to bring about spiritual poverty and loneliness amongst the population so they can easily control it. And it’s working: if you look at photos of ordinary people from the 1950s or 1960s, they’re usually well-dressed, not obese, seem fairly cheerful, and look as though they they feel part of something larger than themselves. The same type of people today tend to look dreadful by comparison: many of them dress like vagrants, even though they can afford to dress better, look hopeless, defeated and dejected, are either obese or, much more occasionally, underweight as the result of various types of abuse like drug abuse. All of this is exactly what those in charge want to happen. They want to demoralise the majority population.


      • fakenewswatcher says:

        JamesG: I was watching Alfred Hitchcock’s ‘To catch a thief’ on You Tube last night. OK, it was the glamorous world of the wealthy on the Cote d’ Azur, but you realize again how the world of the fifties (which I can remember) has been lost forever.
        To be ‘with it’ today, Grace Kelly would have to be tattooed, have rings through her nose and lips, and be wearing trainers etc.
        Cary Grant would have to lose all the cravats, collars/ties and smart coats. What about a t shirt with a picture of Che Guevara for him?
        And the nice picnic could be replaced by a session with the hypodermic…
        Rose tinted glasses?


  4. Lucy Pevensey says:

    The BBC loves it’s daily hijab/Muslima promotion piece. Yesterday it was the new hijab in the US congress.

    Do you think we would ever see this on the BBC?


  5. Loobyloo says:

    Irish woman on question time, allowed to dominate the debate and at the end manages to get in a dig at Trump, totally without relevance, and Brexit.

    Disband the BBC!


    • Scroblene says:

      Yes, I heard that bit, Loobyloo.

      The R5Dead half-hour was a farce, wasn’t it! Autocue reaaders gabbling away at each other, making no sense, taking Dimblebore’s snippets, playing Nick Griffin’s stuff from years ago, and all this after the Tommy Robinson – always the reference to his past of course, in a ‘news’ bulletin and Paypal refusing to have him as a customer!

      The whole half-hour was an ill-designed dribble-fest of illogical ‘reporting’ and ‘comment’, such as it is!

      I couldn’t really give a monkey’s what the Irish woman was going on about, and assume that she doesn’t even know either.


      • Fedup2 says:


        Irish can talk the legs off a donkey . Fact . I was on a plane back to Blighty for a few hours yesterday and I swear the two Irish wimmin sitting behind he yapped all the way without stop. That MEP last night was just given free rein and reminded my why I don’t watch it any more – as well as smug snowflakes like Ronny aronovich.

        The few words of sense allowed by prof petersen were pretty well met

        The most entertainment was provided by D Abbot who doesn’t look well and hands were shaking …. I’d like a medic to give a view

        Anyway – every one rattled on about stabbings .

        Cause – allowing white guilt to loosen social control on blacks
        Weakening criminal law and police practices
        Allowing ‘parents’ to give up responsibility for their kids

        There’s plenty more – these factors weren’t discussed
        On QT

        Solution – there isn’t one . Once the cat is out of the bag that’s
        It – the new norm for cities . Feral kids which the
        State is too scarred to touch – got rights innit. ?


    • Guest Who says:

      BBC golden gob Femi seems to be expanding his remit beyond Brexit.


  6. lojolondon says:

    I was interested to see this compilation of videos showing Jim Acosta bullying, shouting, interrupting, yelling and generally trying very hard to get thrown out of the White House over the last year.


    • Mrs Kitty says:

      Thanks for that link, he’s really an obnoxious man and you can see in some of these clips how he infuriates the other people around him.


    • Guest Who says:

      How interested have the bbc been in senior Democrats inspiring stormtroopers to ‘visit’ journalists’ homes?


  7. taffman says:

    DUP accuse Mrs Chamberlain of breaking promise over Back Stop ? Mass stabbings in London . Hundreds of foreign criminals go missing. What a mess !
    Vote and support UKIP if you want your country back because the Tory Party have become the ‘New Age Liberals.’ What else is Al Beeb not telling us?


    • Scroblene says:

      For a start, they won’t be telling us what a great place Cardiff will be tomorrow evening after The Wallabies are sent packing!

      Mind the stairs in Le Monde, and celebrate long and hard, Taff!


  8. Roland Deschain says:

    As surprising article from Emily Maitlis.

    Jim Acosta was called on by the president to ask a question.

    I’ll say that again. He was called on by Donald Trump to ask whatever question he liked. And when he’d finished asking one, he then asked another – with interruption follow-ups in between.

    It was only when he attempted his third question – or possibly fourth depending on how you define the follow-ups – that the president got angry and asked him to sit down.


    So let’s take a step back. What happened in that room was not the ultimate fight for press freedom. This wasn’t someone risking life and limb against a regime where freedom of speech is forbidden. This was a bloke sitting in a room full of colleagues who were all trying to ask questions too.

    This was a man who’d had his turn and had been told he couldn’t hog the whole time.


    • Guest Who says:

      Fair play.

      Puts Robinson, Sopel and Simpson to shame.


    • Up2snuff says:

      Anyone who watched the very realistic West Wing or who has read some books on, say, Watergate knows that there are unwritten rules and conventions for WH Press Conferences.


      • Guest Who says:

        Rules are meant to be broken. But only by certain ones, selectively, by certain people. Apparently.

        Look no further than the BBC or legal system today.


    • JamesArthur says:


      It’s okay but still manages to get the usual digs at POTUS. What made me laugh was the new word
      “Mistouch”…now what would that be if it had been somebody from the right….certainly not “mistouch”. It’s funny how these things can be glossed when it is one of their own..


  9. Guest Who says:



    • vlad says:

      A left-wing ‘comedian’ on the bbc? Well I never. How novel.

      It’s the rise of the far left Nish Kumar that scares me.


  10. Doobster78 says:

    Looks like the religion of peace has been spreading its message in Melbourne. This time with a knife . Aren’t they a lovely tolerant bunch !!!


  11. Up2snuff says:

    Much hand-wringing on TOADY this a.m. in the first half-hour over the state of the UK’s High Streets.

    Complete failure to understand that is more than the difference between Business Rates paid to Local Authorities.

    TOADY failed to join the dots to:
    1. Another item they are carrying on tariffs on energy bills – being wasted on incorrectly or unsuitable insulation for homes (result: less disposable income for shoppers making them seek lowest prices)
    2. High parking charges
    3. Difficult access to those using public transport
    4. Transport taxation
    5. Transport insurance costs/restrictions

    BBC ignorance or lack of journalistic investigation or denial of certain truths?

    You cannot buck the market.


  12. Fedup2 says:

    True Up

    I’m shocked by the spin the far left puts on some survey that birth rates are falling . I thought they wanted a less poluted planet – so less mouths means a better planet right?

    Doesn’t seem so for Al beeb – I suppose they like the idea of third worlders breeding like rabbits and then asking for a hand out – this year it’s Yemen’s turn ( real country ? ? ) giving snowflakes their annual excuse to feel good about giving money to fund charity workers ‘ salaries.

    What has all those years of sending cash to bongo bongo land actually achieved ? I really would like to know. Charity – by the way – begins at home …


    • Up2snuff says:

      Fed, yes more dots not joined there and also on Dover:Calais.

      Surely if there were hold-ups after Brexit, the inevitable consequence would be trade finding alternatives and reducing 14,000 truck movements. Just think of the potential CO2 and NOX savings and reductions of traffic congestion.

      But no, the BBC want Brexit abandoned so they – as a result – are now denying a benefit, an offering, to their beloved god of the ‘Global Warming Settled Science’.

      No wonder the liberal and unliberal Left are in meltdown. All their dottinesses are coming home to roost together.


  13. English Lass says:

    Well, thank God for the EU. Mairéad McGuinness told us last night on QT (amongst an awful lot of other things) that the EU have been going out of their way to help us over Brexit. And I thought it was Theresa May’s amazing negotiating skills that have got us such a ‘good potential’ deal, but no, she tells us that “the EU have been bending over backwards for us”. I wonder which way they’ve been bending for the Irish PM.


  14. Up2snuff says:

    The major post 8.10 a.m. TOADY interview is about robotic surgery following the news of the death of a NHS patient at the hands of a robot guided by a doctor.

    What the BBC are about to reveal is their colossal ignorance of arthritis and rheumatism and surgery.

    Yes, believe it or not robotic surgery is partly about arthritis and rheumatism. Because the BBC is no longer doing proper journalism they have not found out ALL the reasons why robots are being used increasingly widely in surgery.

    All the BBC are interested in is ‘Government or governance must be doing something’ and ‘there should be rules’.


  15. Fedup2 says:

    The mail on line has a story that the BBC put in an FOI request about the Keith Vaz MPs conduct but got blocked by a friend who happens to be the speaker of the house of expenses – mr bercow – who seems to never want to give up his ego trip .

    Labour loves him and he is a Tory MP…

    Has the BBC itself reported this ?


  16. Up2snuff says:

    As the self-appointed (oooh! get you!!) Biased BBC Pronunciation Correspondent I have to, this morning, ask for help from m’Learned friends on this site. I have always pronounced Thiepval (at least post-GCSE French) as ‘Teepval’

    The BBC this morning are pronouncing it as ‘The-epval’.

    Who is correct?


    • NameNotNumber says:

      Up2snuff, looks like ‘you da man’.

      In the interests of racial equality and the promotion of libertarian BBC and EU values, may I offer my heartfelt apologies to any reader whose feminist, transphobic, genderphobic, culturally appropriative, or any other ‘antisensiphobic’ sensitivity (or indeed any degree thereof) I may have offended by making the above comment. It may seem a poor excuse but it wasn’t my intention to promote hatred in any form. I was only attempting, in my own admittedly crass, bigoted and Trump-like fashion to make a light hearted comment.


      • Up2snuff says:

        NNN, ta!

        Not offended at all.

        (I suspect that you might be trying to get me to respond in Pidgin, however. On this occasion, sorry, am a bit too busy to be creative.)


  17. Englands Dreaming says:

    Is it not about time that someone form the Leave side produces a Gina Miller type character and launches a Treason case against the Prime Minister? I would gladly contribute to a crowd funding venture for this.

    Brexit: DUP accuses May of breaking promises on Irish border


    • theisland says:

      Time the Treason Law was revived/reinstated/re-enacted.


  18. Fedup2 says:

    I’m waiting for some lefty like Soubry to call for a law making criticism of her ReichEU – or BBC – a ‘hate crime ‘ along with the rest of the nonsense on the daily lengthening list .

    By the way – have any of the people who put effigies of living people such as T may or D Trump or even the saintly J Corbyn been arrested yet? Equality of law and that lie.


  19. JamesArthur says:

    R4…Driving late last night I listened to two actually quite interesting programmes (both repeats), on about the new face on the £50 note, the other a discussion between two political cartoonists – they were going so well until the female presenter of cartoonist programme said – I notice you have only got on female on your list.

    and the new face of £50 note – it will be a woman…the two people on to discuss were females that did not hide their desire for it to be a woman and since one works at the BoE – job done…There is a public vote but it’s just a game – actually the BoE decide so I won’t bother voting..

    Why does every programme have to throw in – where are woman, how much do the women get paid, etc… it’s getting tedious


    • Dystopian says:

      James Arthur – I heard that too and not only did it have to be a woman but it was suggested it should be a “climate change scientist”


      • Old Goat says:

        Other than Jo Nova, and Donna LaFramboise, I know of no female real climate scientists. The rest are all left-wing eco-frauds.


        • Rick Bradford says:


          Judith Curry is a very well-credentialed climate scientist who has testified before the US Congress.

          She faced an enormous professional backlash when she openly split from the alarmist climate crew run by Michael “Piltdown” Mann, her main point being that the uncertainties in the science were vast, but being suppressed.


        • RJ says:

          Don’t forget Judith Curry. A valiant fighter for the truth.


          • RJ says:

            And a genuine expert on Polar Bears, Susan Crockford, who is hated by the alarmists – especially as she’s written a book, Polar Bear Facts & Myths, that can be understood by children aged from 7 upwards. They really don’t like anyone undermining WWF propaganda aimed at children.


    • StewGreen says:

      I will be forced to continue my boycott of £50 notes


      • Dystopian says:

        What with a boycott of £50 notes and a boycott of Paypal we will be back to payment in grains before long!


        • Rich says:


          I don’t seem to have any problem avoiding £50 notes.

          It would however appear that as I’m in Northern Ireland, avoiding €50 notes may prove to be more of a problem for me after Brexit-according-to-May.


        • Up2snuff says:

          “Aaah, gold grains. A language and currency I understand.”

          “Come, Moriarty, we must avail ourselves of some large buckets.”



    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      All my life there has been a woman’s face on the £50 note. HRH Elizabeth. Done. let’s move on.


    • john in cheshire says:

      And when you look around the so-called civilised world and see how much hatred so many women express, about most things, it might behove them all to keep a low profile for a few generations.


  20. clonesydney says:

    I was surprised to see the grotesque mass protests in Pakistan calling for the state execution of Asia Bibi given a couple of minutes on BBC news last night, however I note with interest the story doesn’t appear on either the BBC’s world or UK twitter accounts , no doubt because they don’t want the footage to be retweeted, by those who wish to expose the myth of the “religion of peace”..


    • JamesArthur says:

      I listened to some Archbishop this morning and in theory it was supposed to be about religious hatred based on Bibi but it was turned quickly into how Muslims are hard done to..and hate crime in the UK mainly against Muslims. As a Christian he said it was his job to protest about all religious hatred – but he actually sidelined the difference between kill you because you area Christian and reports of hate crime that could just be a perceived sideways look…
      No wonder Christianity is in the decline with people like him in charge..


      • Rich says:


        I agree that this type of Christianity is in decline but the Pentecostal and Evangelical Protestant churches, where such lily-livered and mealy-mouthed central authority is missing, are booming, especially in Africa and South America.

        I think that violent Christian fundamentalism might not be too far away in some areas of the developing world, maybe it already has happened, especially if Islam remains unquestioned and unchallenged by authority.


        • RJ says:

          “I think that violent Christian fundamentalism might not be too far away ”

          A few days ago I saw a photograph of the opening of a new shooting range in Poland. They brought in the local priest to cut the ribbon. He used a revolver. The Church Militant.


  21. StewGreen says:

    LBC now – just starting on TR Paypal issue

    Ferrari, just interviewed a UKIP bod, who said it’s bound to backfire and increase TR’s popularity
    (he was at Downing street the other day handing in a 200K signature petition)


    • Dystopian says:

      En mass boycott of Paypal required.
      En mass boycott of bBBC required.


      • john in cheshire says:

        I know this sounds like a cop out but I don’t mean it to be.
        I have been using Paypal for many years and it is convenient, especially when I don’t want to reveal my credit card details to all and sundry.

        But, for a number of those years I have been unhappy with the way Paypal deny certain people the use of the service; people like Tommy Robinson and others.

        I have been searching for a similar service, one that isn’t so partisan about its customers, but I can’t find one that is as universally accepted as Paypal. I would willingly boycott them if I had a safe alternative; one that doesn’t involve putting my credit card security details on every site where I make a payment. Is there such an alternative that someone could recommend to me?


        • theisland says:

          Same problem here. I was however thinking of emailing them to complain, state support for TR, and invite them to chuck me off. I suspect many older people use Paypal for exactly the reasons you give.


    • StewGreen says:

      Strange seg, cos I can see LBC put out a tweet, which has masses of replies (136)
      split between people saying they will boycott PP… and those saying “ha, ha serves TR right”
      .. yet all Ferrai did was do the interview, express his own queasiness with the move… and then moved on to other issues for 15 minutes so far

      BTW Since TR says Patpal told the BBC before they told him
      I suspect PP have broken EU data protection law.
      (unless TR means that he hadn’t read the email)


      • Englands Dreaming says:

        Ferrai is always terrified somebody is going to say something against the RoP


  22. Guest Who says:

    The bbc morning email appears to have been written by Imran Khan. Discussing the high street woes they link…

    “And while British high streets have struggled, Asian grocers continue to buck the trend.”

    Interesting distinction.

    No mention of our local Thai.

    Meanwhile, in Beebbubble…

    “turned it into a haven for middle class foodies”.

    Yes, that will totes work nationally.

    Waitrose… look out.

    “You get lots of yummy mummies with their babies all out and about during the week and at night time it picks up and becomes really lively.”

    How darling. Bet the babies love the night market.


  23. Gammon says:

    Listening to R4 this morning. UK STOCKPILING FOOD.

    They had a man on who owns a massive refrigeration facility here in the UK. Because of UK STOCKPILING FOOD he has sold all his space for Q1 2019. Because of BREXIT…. the UK IS STOCKPILING FOOD.

    Who is buying he space? Oh says the chap – EU FOOD PRODUCERS…. why? Because THEY are worried about borders and selling their EU food into the UK.


    The story is that EU NEED AND WANT SMOOTH TRADE as much as we do

    But no – BBC focus on UK STOCKPILING FOOD and no interest in the real story or getting behind the headline

    This made me question if this was Bias or just media always looking to stir things up and create conflict where there is none. Media as the enemy of the people and a force for ill not good. Bias yes but perhaps worse.


    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      Gammon. I think it’s worse than bias. It’s far more sinister. They are trying to prepare us for the next phase of our enslavement.

      We needn’t allow them though. That’s what’s bothering them. We still have too many freedoms for their liking. We can still turn the telly/radio off.


  24. StewGreen says:

    Strange news story : Iceland says their Christmas advert made by Greenpeace and about the rainforest has been banned for being too political.

    but ASA_UK tweeted a reply
    \\ Simple answer: We had no role in this matter. We don’t pre-clear ads. Many thanks.//

    Ah the org who refused the advert is @Clearcast
    ( Ad agencies, advertisers & broadcasters use us to conceptualise, develop and broadcast great adverts. Our core service is clearing ads for broadcast in the UK. )

    Their statement :
    “Clearcast and the broadcasters have to date been unable to clear an ad for Iceland because we are concerned that it doesn’t comply with the political rules of the BCAP code. The creative submitted to us is linked to another organisation who have not yet been able to demonstrate compliance in this area.”
    next page
    “The Communications Act 2003 prohibits political advertising. The term “political” is used in the Code in a wider sense than “party political”. The prohibition includes, for example, campaigning for the purposes of influencing legislation or executive action by local or national (including foreign) governments. “


    • Guest Who says:

      Not so strange these days.

      Getting coverage for being banned gets more free eyeballs than paying.

      And ‘PR as news’ entities lap suchvstuff up uncritically.

      They might have jumped the gun on this one though.


  25. fakenewswatcher says:

    Media as the enemy of the people and a force for ill not good.
    Now where have I heard that before..?


  26. The Sage says:

    How to report good news as bad – a trick the BBC manages to do each time there are positive post-Referendum growth figures for the UK economy.


    • Doobster78 says:

      Have your say comments open. Filter highest rated. Hilarious read. Nobody trusts the BBC anymore, it’s clear as day. Pointless, irrelevant outfit now. Lovely


    • Dystopian says:

      In other news Getty images ; the guy in the high vis is drilling without his safety glasses on!


  27. theisland says:

    EU diplomats have warned that any plan to grant the UK a temporary customs union to solve the Irish backstop problem must come with cast-iron guarantees that EU boats will be free to fish in UK waters (Telegraph)

    Can’t see anything on the bBC pages. Oh, except we will get a ‘fairer share’ of OUR fish. Quislings.

    WTO deal please.


  28. Dystopian says:

    Melbourne incident being treated as a terror attack. Perp shot dead by police. Any sign of a BBC report?


  29. Dystopian says:

    Has anyone heard about so called Waldorf schools?
    I heard something on Talk Radio earlier.
    Apparently, the big wigs at silicone valley send their kids to “no screen” schools where they have a no screen policy ie only using chalk boards and pens /pencils.
    It would appear that the very people who bring us social meeja don’t want their kids anywhere near it.
    I suspect they know something we don’t.


    • ID says:

      Waldorf schools are known as Steinerschulen in Germany and follow the “philosophy” of Rudolf Steiner, some crazed German loon. A former colleague of mine sent his daughter to a Steiner Schule. Apparently, they have something against straight lines in architecture and more generally -their early year classrooms are designed to be roundish to resemble the womb. Unfortunately, after 14 or 15 years of being taught to eschew the linear, this girl decided she wanted to become an architect in a Non-Steinerian world. She had to do remedial classes to learn how to draw straight lines and comprehend Euclidean geometry.
      They also believe that the “hard technology” of the 19th and 20th century is due to the “influence of Ahrimaic spirits of an elemental nature”


    • StewGreen says:

      I have experience of Rudolf Steiner things : basically it is a woo woo cult.
      As ever some of the base principles seem sound and then an empire of woo is built on top.
      eg Education : the idea that instead of forcing education upon children you let them learn through play organically.
      eg you don’t ever say to a child “Here’s a book let’s learn to read”, instead you wait until a child picks up a book and shows an interest in it.
      Of course learning through play is a sound thing.
      Another thing they do is that you stay in the same class with the same teacher all the way upto 12 or end of school, which is great if you have a good teacher, but if bad…

      You can look p what Steiner says about talking to angels.


    • Englands Dreaming says:

      As other have stated here Waldorf schools are part of a bigger Steiner philosophy known as Anthroposophy, people who practice this are known as anthroposophists, you will find almost without exception teachers at Waldorf schools are anthroposophists – they tend to keep that quiet. Gove as education secretary allowed new Steiner schools into the state system as part of free academy system – another black mark for Gove!
      Anthroposophy is a complete system (religion!?) for life and has its own banks, pharma companies, food (bio dynamoic), church and potentially a political system (social threefolding)

      If you want a critics (as opposed to Steiner propaganda) view of the crazy world of Rudolf Steiner try this site


  30. StewGreen says:

    EU out to destroy Formula One.. Diane James FB video


  31. StewGreen says:

    As TR says The Facebook page of PayPal is pretty much completely trashed
    Real people with real accounts have posted under every of PayPals own posts .. I spotted only one comment supporting PayPal (why’s that ?)

    PayPal October 23 at 6:40 PM ·
    Support a cause you care about with PayPal and they will receive 100% of your donation CoppaFeel! LGBT Foundation Blue Cross Royal British Legion. Donate now through the PayPal App

    Reply from Jon Murphy : I don’t seem to be able to support a cause I care about, because you have suspended his account.
    Stay out of politics Paypal. We live in a Democracy where individuals, not companies, choose their representatives.

    Lee Moat draws our attention to the small print in PayPal’s terms of service

    We reserve the right to ban and steal money from any member who:
    a) doesn’t have far left political views
    b) has anything against industrialised rape
    c) has the cheek to complain about ideologies that support violence, hate and terrorism.
    d) is under the misconception that facts and evidence take precedent over someone’s feelings.


  32. Dystopian says:

    Melbourne attack:

    Looks like it’s another one of those “men”


  33. Lucy Pevensey says:

    Where is the weekend thread?


    • Fedup2 says:

      Lucy – I was holding the weekend thread until later in the day but now I have opened it. I try to monitor it to prevent too many pages to go through.Got it wrong this time as I had lack of internet for a long day …


  34. Lucy Pevensey says:

    What he said!


  35. Guest Who says:

    Katty is so getting a beanie like Anita Anand’s now…


    • countryblues says:

      A substantial victory for ‘us’? 🙂


    • Roland Deschain says:

      My Twitter feed would suggest that last-minute Democrat gains are quite possibly due to vote-rigging.

      The BBC doesn’t seem to have room to look into this. But did manage to fit this on its news webpage.



      Of course she did. Nothing suspicious about that. Or this:


      • Guest Who says:

        I wonder if there is a ninth para backstory to this too:


      • StewGreen says:

        When I worked as a US election observer (1989) for the Democrat Party, there were 3 of us , the Republican rep, me and the policeman . Our job was to be with the ballot box as it was driven in a police car to the count


  36. Guest Who says:

    BBC Radio 4
    November 7 at 6:15 PM ·
    How do you improve diversity in the media, how do you reach younger audiences and what next for advertising? All this and more in The Media Show with Amol Rajan BBC.

    Well, mate, it’s gotta be like this, innit?:

    1) By force.
    2) Remember the young have choices and react poorly to be fed nonsense by the nanny.
    3) Ask BBC World, BBC America, etc, who have vast audiences. Apparently.


  37. MarkyMark says:

    Anjem Choudary’s laugh gets louder everyday ….


    I am educated by the UK and taxpayer.
    I use tolerance and freedom to spread hatred of the UK.
    I go on the welfare system whilst I hate the UK, being paid by the taxpayer.
    I tell BBC’s Stacey Dooley I will not follow UK laws.
    I get 2 years and 6 months being looked after by prison guards, paid by the taxpayer.
    I get released 2 and a half years early for hating the UK.
    The UK taxpayer pays £2 million to watch me with 23K other terrorists.
    If you disagree you are Islamophobic and Sajid Javid will arrest you.

    .. Anjem Choudary mocks the tolerance of the West ..


  38. carterdaniel says:


  39. carterdaniel says:


    • Old Goat says:

      Funny, I don’t consider Trump repulsive, at all. He has the bearing and stance, and nerve of a great leader.


  40. Lucy Pevensey says:

    Tweet of the Week


  41. MarkyMark says:

    Whilst Islam attacks .. the West has other concerns …



  42. StewGreen says:

    JVine just reminisced “We had Hillary Clinton in the studio and I asked her if she understood how WW1 began
    ..and she said no, and I said neither me too”


  43. The Sage says:

    What a surprise, the BBC has found an ethnic minority story about WWI. It seems to be the only type of story our national broadcaster is ever interested.


  44. digg says:

    I draw my own conclusions from the news and program content from the BBC, concluding that the BBC appears not only to have its own agenda on “educating” the listeners and viewers to its own mantra in a ‘ministry of truth’ manner but is also deeply and secretly in concert with a number of Global left and far-left organisations, activists and figures who’s ultimate ambitions are to subvert choice and democracy and replace it with subservience to a ‘World View’ in which they will be the arbiters and masters.

    The recent smug BBC attempt to secure George Orwell as a talisman was particularly insulting as Mr. Orwell (in 1984) was exactly describing the current BBC so many years ago. In my opinion, the only secret that is still hidden is who exactly their ‘Big Brother’ is in all of this. One can only hope that the public and wider Political Establishment wake up to what is happening soon and take steps to halt it’s onward march.

    They even manage to implant their creed subtly into what were once entertainment and children’s slots such as ‘The Archers’ and CBBC programmes. I guess the rational to this is that they need to silence the reasonably aware viewers and at the same time hypnotise the more innocent viewers and listeners who they probably hope will swallow the indoctrination without knowing they are doing it, like planting seeds for the next harvest of comrades who only know ‘The True Way’.

    Wake Britain before it is too late. Shout to your MP’s and friends it is a real monster that must be halted in its tracks.

    if you believe my perceptions are over-dramatic I hope to God they are!