Midweek Open Thread 31 October 2018

It is obvious from the tainted output of the rotten BBC that it can never be trusted . But who can be ? I was asked this during a survey yesterday and couldn’t answer . Journalists ? Politicians ? NHS? Banks ? Lawyers? Auditors ? Accountancy Firms ? Charities ? Comparison sites? Car manufacturers ? Interest groups ? Us?

 

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528 Responses to Midweek Open Thread 31 October 2018

  1. Guest Who says:

    Arf. Saving Rahima’s Privates should be a hoot.

       11 likes

  2. Guest Who says:

    Mr. Snoddy and Mr. Esler should get a room with Debs (shudders).

    For anyone connected to the BBC (that would be him, Gav, Debs, and James) to raise Brexit propaganda is… ‘special brave’.

       23 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      So :
      James O’Brien : #Triggered
      Deborah Meaden : #Triggered
      Ray Snoddy : : #Triggered

      ..Tim Martin is over the target so he’s getting the flak

         18 likes

    • Holly Selassie says:

      As if a Remainer would think of going to a Wetherspoons.
      Which gives the REAL people of this country some respite from the endless bellyaching.
      Just look away from the Sky Telly feed, and you`re fine.

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  3. Guest Who says:

    Love that this piece misses the main source of lies in news.

    https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/327349/how-should-tv-news-cover-outright-lies.html?

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  4. Sluff says:

    In 1965, the American horse Jay Trump, fresh from a repeat victory in the Maryland Cup, travelled across the pond and won the Grand National. Later that year, the horse took part in the Grand Steeplechase in France, coming third.
    In 1970 the great Nijinski, trained in Ireland and winner of the Irish Derby, also won the English ‘triple crown’, the last horse to do so.
    In 1971, the great horse Mill Reef won the Derby, and later the Prix de l’arc de Triomphe.
    I mention these as just three examples of the free movement of horses before the UK joined the then EEC.
    Readers will easily therefore see the doom-and-gloom Remoaning on the BBC today about post-Brexit horse transport for the deliberate scaremongering trash that it is.

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  5. LastChanceSaloon says:

    No BBC connection, as far as I know.
    “Adventure Time with Finn and Jake” Very popular apparently, although I had not heard of it before today.

    I saw some children’s merchandise, based on the cartoons, for sale.
    What caught my eye was the origin of the product, totally new to me.
    “Made in Europe”.
    Have I been walking around with my eyes closed?
    Or is this a new step on the path to the EUSSR?
    Please enlighten me.

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    • David R says:

      Certain wines in the 70s were marked “Contains wine from more than one country -not all in the EEC”. Perhaps this is a crafty way round that negativity. Remember Israel is in Europe for Eurovision purposes!

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  6. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC Online News:

    “”DIY Generation: How to be your own boss by 25″”
    By Lindsay Brown
    Newsbeat reporter

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-45970106

    Illustrated by three photos of random young people.

    One Brown.
    One Black.
    One Woman.

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    • gb123 says:

      How to be your own boss BBC style:
      1) Get a job as a favoured minority of any sorts on the BBC
      2) If a newsreader burble incoherently so no one can understand a single word you say. To supplement this add a growly back of the throat croak like a teenager.
      3) If interviewing and person is non BBC approved shout over or interrupt.
      4) Ignore all complaints and loss of viewers
      5) Register a BS company name and declare yourself self employed.
      Voila.

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  7. taffman says:

    Al Beeb shows us that a”CCTV has captured the moment a balaclava-clad man dragged a police officer out of a patrol car and threw her to the ground following an armed robbery at a petrol station.”
    “Her”?
    Yes her, the truth of reality, women are not equal to men in strength, physique and aggression.

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    • Dover Sentry says:

      But women can now join the SAS.

      A friend of mine who was in the Paras, said that he had no problem with women in the army as long as they crewed their own tanks and had their own Regiments.

      A fair point I’d say.

      And who would relish a fire-engine full of women turning up to save them from a burning building? My wife, who’s a woman, says she’d feel safer if men were rescuing her.

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      • taffman says:

        Dover Sentry
        Agreed.
        Perhaps they could be called the Women’s Royal Army Corps ?

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Taff
      I watched that video a couple of times . The co pilot in the police car was also a girl – and they were rescued —— by blokes —— but on the upside the robber got 14 so on my calculation his minimum is 10 ….

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      • taffman says:

        Fedup2
        Then the message to Al Beeb is – The police force needs more men and less women. QED.

        “Lessons to be learned” by all our forces and our PC politicians before our country falls apart.

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        • G.W.F. says:

          Yes, but they need men who will not sit in their cars with the doors locked watching a colleague being stabbed to death.

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        • RJ says:

          The problem will be solved in a couple of years, when Britain is a Third World country and the police are armed. You don’t need much strength to pull a trigger.

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  8. Guest Who says:

    John Sweeney liked this. But then, he would.

    #CCBGB

       13 likes

    • DYKEVISIONS says:

      Bad eel,
      The only slam dunk I see is that the whole interview below is a Liberati Halloween nightmare.

      Helen Lewis tries ‘manfully’ to demonstrate her vast intellectual acumen but every part of her leftist agenda is put to the sword.

      Definitely not a waste of your 1hr 42 mins on this planet.
      Give it a go.

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      • Luckyharry69 says:

        Im sure I heard her say “thats bollocks” to Jordan during the interview?….am I right?……..
        It was almost a re-run of the Newman interview.

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      • JimS says:

        I don’t think the Frances Weetman ‘twitter storm’ clip was typical of the full interview , (thank you Dykevisions), in that it was supposed to be a quick-fire Q & A ’round’ rather than more discussive form that makes up the bulk.

        Helen Lewis is an idealogue and sees Peterson as a threat to her learnt world view. Cathy Newman, on the other hand, knows the ‘bullet points’ and used them against Peterson but didn’t get anywhere and indeed was probably charmed by and quite liked him.

        Helen Lewis really loses the argument about twenty minutes in when it is established that an all-male profession is an example of the ‘patriarchy’ while an all-female profession is also an example of the male-patriarchy. If she was capable of any independent thought she should have done a ‘Cathy’ then and realised that her own argument destroyed itself.

        Lewis’ argument really comes down to, “The king is overall ruler, he is a man, therefore all men rule all women.” Whereas all men, (except the king), see everyone as the king’s subjects. (The king is a metaphor for life itself, finite and ultimately fatal).

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        • Banania says:

          Helen Lewis clearly had no idea that she was “losing” (she spoke in an accompanying written article in terms of winning and losing). She was unwittingly outclassed from beginning to end in a thoroughly entertaining discussion. At one point she said, “I am about to become a Fellow of Oxford University”. Does such a thing exist?

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  9. taffman says:

    According to Al Beeb “Scotland Yard has hired specialists to look into branded clothing, toys and games, stationary, homeware and tourist souvenir items”
    They have not reported yet ‘another’ stabbing in London.
    Do we have a police force any more? Have M&S taken over policing thanks to successive ‘wet’ Home Secretaries? Just look at their track record.

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    • Borvo says:

      I like this idea. Surely has to be a market for stab vests and acid attack / spit face shields in our capital city.

         25 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      Two shootings today
      One yesterday – ordinary days ,…

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  10. pugnazious says:

    Always fun to hear the words of wisdom coming forth from our beloved BBC.

    After the budget heard someone from a lefty thinktank suggest that increasing wages is not the answer to poverty….we need more welfare. No one seemed at all put out by that.

    Woman’s Hour…switch on at any time, as I did today, and you’ll hear that women are oppressed, put upon, demeaned, put down, talked down to, not respected, not treated fairly…..seriously? This is a programme about women by women that doesn’t seem to know what women are like. Don’t know many who are meek, mild and retiring little violets….most I know seem quite formidable and able to hold their own…and are quite happy to make their vews known as well as being successful and more than capable of running things. Many would make Anna Soubry look like a pussycat. The BBC narrative is itself pretty demeaning to women not giving them the respect or the rightful amount of recognition for what they can and do achieve.

    Which brings us on to Nihal interviewing Jordan Peterson…or the ‘controversial’ and ‘dangerous’ Jordan Peterson as Nihal says…describing him as ‘some might say’ an ‘intellectual for stupid people’ and later a ‘clever man for dumb people’….so that’s what the BBC really thinks about those who agree with or follow Peterson and are inspired to improve ther lives by him.

    Nihal forced himself to treat Peterson’s views with some seriousness [thus proving his credentials as a real journalist who was open to all opinions and views…not] but as you can see from the snide comments above the undercurrent was one of liberal noseholding and you can see the difference when he had Tom Odell, musician, come on and it was all banter and laughs about the Peterson interview. And here we got another of those great lines….Odell told us he didn’t agree with Peterson’s ideas on the ‘Patriarchy’ and that the way to defeat misogyny was to get men to cry more.

    I’m sure that’ll do the trick and it’ll be turned into legislation in the next session of Parliament.

    Nihal is also very happy that an ‘Asian’ won Bake Off…..clearly trying to wind people up….and for someone who complained that Britain was a ‘nastier more racist place #duetobrexit’ this racist comment doesn’t show him up in a good light, his true light, as he does have a big chip on his shoulder about white British…..one he’s making race an issue and two the story of the winner disproves the BBC narrative about Britain and British, white British, people.

    Remind me why we need ‘reasons to be cheerful’ as if this was a rare event in nasty racist Brexit Britain [according to Nihal]?…..

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    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      Nihal is a nasty piece of work. He has a real chip on his shoulder. Such a shame that this country has oppressed him by giving him his own radio programme isn’t it?

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      • BRISSLES says:

        David & Liz were clearly lucky with their ‘placement’. Unlike the foster couple who opened their home to the Parsons Green bomber !!!

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  11. KafirHarbi says:

    Working in the digital media industry I have been a close professional watcher of Google for more than 10 years.

    Their search algorithm is closely guarded, and over time a fair deal of expertise has developed that is geared to second-guessing the Google algorithm and ‘optimising’ websites accordingly.

    Getting closely involved in this is no longer part of my day-job, but I would say I have developed a good nose or instinct for how Google ‘thinks’ and prioritises in search. The most weight goes to ‘authority’. This is Google’s synthesis of what we might naturally call authority, and reflects the importance of a web page or site and thereby the prominence it gets in the results for a search.

    Factors that influence it include how long the domain has been in situ, viewership, shares of the content, links to the content from elsewhere etc. All sensible common-sense stuff. I have not felt over the last decade that Google ‘fiddled’ their results.

    But I do now. There have been studies into this that support my hunch, but what I am seeing now – specifically in news search results – leads me to believe that they have ‘tweaked’ their algorithm to favour news outlets with a ‘liberal’ or especially social justice-driven agenda. This could easily be done by some sleight of hand that favours certain publications obliquely by weighting up some other shared characteristic they had. This would nicely mask the bias they put in and make it difficult to expose.

    This seemed to me quite vivid in an ‘innocent’ search I just did (let alone like one for e.g. ‘black lives matter’) which was: ‘Is YouTube TV coming to the UK?’

    The first page search results (omitting non-news titles) was:

    1. BBC (as almost always these days) – a long boxed ‘rich snippet’
    3. The Guardian
    4. BBC
    6. The Mirror
    9. TVLicensing.co.uk

    While the BBC has effectively ‘bought’ its authority by being the dominant UK news provider, and blanket bombing the web as well as the airwaves, I find that it is the ‘far left’ providers who almost always dominate news search results. I think we can safely assume that Google – just like the BBC are now abusing their authority.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Kafir – damn – I knew there was someone else on the list of the untrustworthy at the start of this thread – is there any search engine which you would judge as ‘ fair’ ?

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      • KafirHarbi says:

        F2 – yes I would put Google on that list. You only have to see the secret recording of their ‘Emergency Townhall meeting’ the morning after the Trump election to see their motivation for building in the bias. My simple answer to ‘which of the other search engines do you trust ?’would be ‘all of them’. They may have other fish to fry, but promoting social justice and the agenda of the left doesn’t seem to be a priority.

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    • StewGreen says:

      Mr Infidel Army, I just checked * Bing *
      #1 techradar.com
      #2 expertreviews.co.uk
      #4 theregister.co.uk
      #5 thesun.co.uk
      10 theguardian.com

      7,8,9 are Express, Mail, Mirror talking about Joe Sugg

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    • vlad says:

      Thank you Kafir for your informed – and informative – insights.

      We need more of that: inside knowledge of their shenanigans.

      Any disgruntled bbc employees, past or present? Go on, spill the beans and get it off your chest, you’ll feel better for it.

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  12. Foscari says:

    There was an “interesting ” feature on Assad Ahmad’s
    Londonistan programme after the 6PM TV national news on
    the BBC this evening. You can call it diverse or perverse or both. I
    can’t say it went down well as I was eating my fish pie.
    You see Abdul was having a penus enlargement . Apparently it’s
    the in thing with certain communities in Londonistan.
    Abdul said he wouldn’t “produce” for a month, just as I started
    my rice pudding.
    Yes diversity and now perversity is well and truly flourishing
    at the BBC

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  13. Fedup2 says:

    Not BBC but …

    Dr Sarah Wollaston – that well known anti brexit ‘ tory’ has now assumed the ‘party loon” crown from Soubry – she wont vote to support the budget.

    Amazing what back benchers can get away with when there is not much of a majority .

    I think she is currently the member for Torquay-hopefully cum the next election she’ll have more time for her patients and being a lib dem

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    • pugnazious says:

      Is the BBC interested or are they still going on about the DUP ‘holding the government to ransom’?

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    • Banania says:

      Hasn’t Wollaston the most irritating “understanding” smile you have ever seen?

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  14. john in cheshire says:

    For the first time in a few years I’ve had the trick or treaters knocking on the door tonight.

    I don’t participate because it’s a pagan festival and I think this is just making it acceptable to innocent children; also it’s an American ritual, not something we do; until recently.

    What is frightening is how angry the parents become when I decline to join in and give them my reason for not doing so. If I didn’t have security cameras I’m sure one of the fathers would have actually hit me tonight.

    Has anyone else experienced this? Does anyone have any advice on how to turn them away without feeling threatened?

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    • StewGreen says:

      The rule is here that kids only knock at signed houses
      .. those with a pumpkin lantern outside.

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    • Yasser Dasmibehbi says:

      I cannot stand trick or treat. The idea of sending kids around to knock on doors to beg free stuff sends all the wrong sort of messages.
      I usually go out for the evening. So they won’t bother me with their knocking.
      I loathe the slavish followings of American cultural trends which is what trick and treat is all about.
      So jic, you have the support of a Pagan in that!

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    • oldcrone says:

      John.
      A “Staffies live here” sign on your gate coupled with a “Dogs running free” sign. Most of today’s snowflake parents have an obsessive fear of Staffs even though the dogs are known for their love of kids. I have 3 of them and they would lick you to death but it’s worked for me for years …. never get Trick or Treaters at this house which suits me fine.

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    • G.W.F. says:

      This usually works

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      • BRISSLES says:

        Just don’t open the door !
        The only benefit of the orange and black tat in the supermarkets is when its reduced to almost giveaway prices, and then it comes in handy as props for the drama group !!!

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    • Banania says:

      Put a picture of a “grooming” gang in the window.

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  15. pugnazious says:

    An additional piece of relevant information in light of the ignorance and stupidity of the ECHR decision to uphold blasphemy laws as mentioned yesterday.

    The decision was based upon the fact that Muhammed slept with a nine year old but because he kept on sleeping with her after puberty this wasn’t paedophilia and thus it is an insult to suggest it is….of course puberty comes well before the legal age today.

    The point of the accused was that what Muhammed did 1400 years ago now informs and guides Muslims’ actions and behaviour now…thus marrying a six year old and sleeping with her is legally and morally acceptable in an Islamic world.

    Coming across Maajid Nawz from Quilliam’s latest Tweets where he is of course under concerted attack from white liberals and their islamist pals [Mehdi Hasan etc] and is fighting back in no uncertain terms and he pointed out this from Pakistan in 2016 about child marriages and Islam…..from the newspaper…

    ‘Opposition to anti-child marriage bill

    Another move to ban child marriages in Pakistan has fallen at the first hurdle. The bill to prohibit underage marriages has been withdrawn after the Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) declared it un-Islamic.

    “Parliament cannot create legislation that is against the teachings of the Holy Quran or Sunnah,” he had said while backing his arguments with relevant laws and a few references from the Holy Quran and Hadith.

    According to Islamic laws, marriage can be solemnised when a girl attains puberty, Sheerani claimed. Under the Constitution, the CII chairman is the final authority in the council with the choice to overrule the voice of all members. While the CII’s decisions are not binding on parliament, they are treated as the guiding principles to frame laws.’

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    • StewGreen says:

      Ah I am sympathetic to the court now
      – paedophile is used as a smear labeL
      It seems that Islamic culture has a strange tradition of what a woman is
      … that the point after puberty when a girl is physically able to have sex then she is a woman
      .. and this an angle the groom/rape gangs are coming from
      There isn’t an easy adjective for this cultural practice .

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  16. Guest Who says:

    Oooooooooook….

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  17. taffman says:

    Al Beeb informs us that there will be a new Brexit Coin.
    Lets hope that this new coin will see the return of BRITANNIA. She has been on our coinage since Roman times. The symbol of Great Britain until it faded under Blair and his ‘Cool Britannia’.

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  18. fakenewswatcher says:

    The secret pact: Austria won’t be signing either, the beeb unlikely to report. In fact, this must be the biggest, but least reported on, virtue-signalling exercise ever.
    In December the UN Compact for Migration is due to be signed in Morocco. Today Austrian Chancellor Kurz indicated that Austria, as a sovereign nation, was not minded to sign away its right to decide on who comes to live in Austria. In fact, they’re unlikely to even send a representative to Marrakech.
    Other non-signatories: the US, Hungary, Poland and Australia. It goes without saying that Germany will sign. Twice, if it could. Or thrice, if up to Merkel.
    What is Ms May doing, other than keeping very, very quiet about it?
    Have you written to your MP yet? And to little Jeremy Hunt?
    Or do you think that this (at the moment still) ‘non-binding’ agreement, with its provisions for i.a.’climate refugees’ is really not so bad?
    If you do write, make sure your letter is marked ‘top secret’ out of respect for the MSM.

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  19. StewGreen says:

    Watchdog now
    “Extreme flytipping It’s run by gangs who temporarily occupy patches of land and dump rubbish nearby”
    (image shows caravans)
    … oh if only there was a word for this type of people

    … Criminal gypsy travellers

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  20. Guest Who says:

    Ohhhh…. goodie…

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    • fakenewswatcher says:

      What constitutes a ‘hate crime’?
      Did I mention a minute or two ago re the secret compact that it will be making provision for the punishment of ‘hate crimes’?
      Not defined, but being a compact for migration, we can more or less guess…
      They’ll probably be grateful to the Home Office, then.

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    • G says:

      GW,
      It’s beyond me: why oh why does the political elite not simply adopt Pakistan’s Blasphemy Laws and have done with it?
      I hate this edging toward a goal………..

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  21. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC TV News. 08.00 Yesterday.

    Just before the news a woman with half an arm presented the weather forecast. It was exposed with a short sleeved top to remind us of BBC diversity. Next to her was a bearded man providing sign language for the deaf.

    After these two, we were shown two very plain wimmin on a red sofa. One had an exaggerated Manchester accent. They introduced us to a brown woman outside Downing Street giving a UK economic report.

    I counted eight BBC diversity tick-boxes in 5 minutes before I switched off and left the building.

    Disabled.
    Woman.
    Deaf.
    Woman.
    Woman.
    Regional Accent.
    Woman.
    Woman Of Colour.

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    • StewGreen says:

      Another woman brought in to present a BBCFour series about materials
      A lesbian Alice Roberts maybe ?
      She’s done a bit of telly in last 4 years
      UCL so probably a Mark Miodownik sidekick
      She tweets to Owen Jones

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  22. KafirHarbi says:

    F2 – yes I would put Google on that list. You only have to see the secret recording of their ‘Emergency Townhall meeting’ the morning after the Trump election to see their motivation for building in the bias. My simple answer to ‘which of the other search engines do you trust ?’would be ‘all of them’. They may have other fish to fry, but promoting social justice and the agenda of the left doesn’t seem to be a priority.

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  23. Guest Who says:

    Three letter news acronyms; what are they like?

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  24. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC Online News Video:

    “”From Syria to Cambridge University
    Studying with a mobile phone instead of textbooks, Abdullah Kattineh battled power outages and poverty to get his university place.””

    “”The Syrian student from the government-controlled Tartus area recently started studying an undergraduate degree at Corpus Christi College.””

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-46035959/from-syria-to-cambridge-university

    He was crowd-funded by Lefty Cambridge students. He has no skills but the University will take him. His college and a charity are funding him.

    I managed an average degree at a redbrick university. There was no way that Cambridge was on the horizon.

    But, if you tick the right Left Wing boxes and are not white British, the world is your lobster.

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    • Lobster says:

      Oi! Don’t bring me into this!

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      • Dover Sentry says:

        When I say Lobster, I am of course not specifically referring to Lobsters themselves but rather to a state of mind through which as if by a prism a Lobster could of course pass without being either a needle or camel in not only a biblical sense but also a peeled digression of foreboding.

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        • JimS says:

          I thought you were talking about the Peterson Lobsters that put Cathy Newman in her place!

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    • Guest Who says:

      IIRC Di was a Cambridge girl. And Polly got into Oxford using alternative entrance criteria.

      Not sure the Oxbridge brand is really coping well any more.

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  25. taffman says:

    Al Beeb says \\Eleven teachers sent home after refusing to teach ‘unruly pupils’//
    In my day it was the ‘unruly pupils’ that were sent home.

    Liberal teachers and educationalists are to blame for brining their ‘liberal’ teaching methods into the classrooms in the 70’s. They turned the schools into undisciplined places of learning and when they lost control they got out via early retirement, leaving the education of this country in the mess it is today.
    “Spare the rod and spoil the child”. Lessons to be learned Al Beeb?

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    • Kaiser says:

      in my day they didnt send unruly pupils home they just scared or beat us into good behaviour

      It didnt really seem to damage us

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    • Deborah says:

      I did the PGCE in the late 1970s in the South West. A stupid as in unintelligent lecturer who had struggled (he admitted) to get an external degree from London. He was a Leftie vegetarian whose priority was to get children ‘to think’ even for exam year students where I wanted them to pass their exams to help them get a job. There were no lectures where educationists imparted their knowledge to us but a year where we just sat and talked. A year wasted.

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  26. Guest Who says:

    See. You will be assimilated.

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    • Guest Who says:

      Getting to the point where you can’t trust anyone. Fellow journalists of course it can be expected from, but hookers? There’s a storm coming, Ned.

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    • JimS says:

      Ah for the days when a conversation between two people was a conversation between two people, when letters were private and confidences were kept!

      Those were the days that we were told that we needed more women in politics to get away from those slanging matches in parliament.

      And look what has happened! The male ‘display and standoff’, the testing of limits, resolution and honour restored has been replaced by feminine ‘fighting’, that nasty form of bullying where tales are told, the mob is engaged and the outsider is ostracised forever!

      ‘Enjoy’ it while you can ladies, it can’t be long now before your new male masters, welcomed with open you-know-whats, will soon have you back in the harem, scold’s bridles fitted and faces covered.

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    • BRISSLES says:

      Vegans / Vegetarians ? just don’t get upwind of any of them (or share a duvet !)

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    • LastChanceSaloon says:

      “Vegans just want to live in a moral way”

      So non vegans live in a non-moral way. That is the rest of us condemned.

      Replace “vegan” with any other term of your choice.

      Eg “Non white people just want to live in a moral way”. “Socialists just want to live in a moral way”.

      In any University philosophy course, year one, term one, week one, day one, lesson one, this nonsense would be exposed in the first ten minutes.

      “Vegans are not a race or a gender or a sexual orientation or a differently-abled group. They just choose to eat plants.”

      They “just choose to eat plants”, but how many animals are killed so they can do so?
      Every minute the digestive system of every vegan alive kills three million bacteria, bacteria which are not plants.
      Every minute several billion bacteria, arthropods and other invertebrates are killed by the whole “plant food” processing system from seed planting to plate.

      The next time I hear an apology for this mass murder, from any “animal lover”, will be the first time.

      Perhaps my experience is atypical, but I know vegetarians (who are a lower order of vegan, according to the vegans I meet) are vegetarians, because they tell me. In fact most people who I newly meet, and discover to be vegetarians, are keen to introduce their vegetarianism at the first non-opportunity. To demonstrate their moral superiority. The only trait that outranks this sense of moral supremacy is indignation when the shallow base of their cherished belief is exposed.

      In many cases, I then discover these proudly self-confessed vegetarians not only have what I regard as juvenile ideas about diet. They also have juvenile (a la BBC) ideas about politics, history and other adult subjects.

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    • Banania says:

      Assimilated like soylent green?

         1 likes

  27. Guest Who says:

    Ex-BBC presenter finds new roll as Poppy Adornment Officer.

    Bless.

       47 likes

    • vlad says:

      Cretin.

         42 likes

    • JimS says:

      Is that why O’Brien isn’t wearing the, apparently, compulsory media-poppy? (Doesn’t that screw up re-purposing programme material later in the year?).

      Although the poppy is now used to commemorate all war dead it did, of course, originate from The Great War, which wasn’t about Nazis or Facism.

      Facism is over-used as a term of abuse and I admit to using it myself in the past to describe the actions of the Royal British Legion in trying to impose a universal ‘eleventh hour’ silence on us all, rather that just letting those that want a moment of communal memory to take part in Remembrance Sunday events.

      It is typically arrogant of O’Brien to assume that he knows why people went to war, I would think that their reasons were as varied as the individuals themselves, a concept alien to closed-mind collectivist like O’Brien.

      As an aside, I saw They Shall Not Grow Old today. It was well worth seeing.

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      • Luckyharry69 says:

        The irony is…he is being a ‘fascist’ by saying people have ‘no right’ to wear a poppy if they support Trump!!!…..
        Its hilarious he cant see that.

           12 likes

      • Banania says:

        Oh no, they did not know what they were fighting for. Now that we have people to tell us we should have a re-run.

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  28. vlad says:

    “This is how to be your own boss.”

    One black, one brown (muslim, natch), one woman. Tick, tick, tick.

    Because of course there are no white male bosses on Planet Beeb.

    The racist propaganda is relentless.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-45970106

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    • JamesArthur says:

      It really is appalling that they think it is okay to just ignore white examples – I am sure they must be contravening some media rules – but knowing the BBC they will have some legal setting like their FoI request protection. I have no issue with a whole range of people but you are right they rarely have a white male on anything unless it involved a negative story. I can’t read comments on this one – were there any?

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    • Banania says:

      Even the woman doesn’t look quite English.

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  29. StewGreen says:

    Maajid did not defend Tommy in May
    but maybe he is coming around
    There is certainly a million miles between him and the rest of the libEstablishment

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  30. StewGreen says:

    This is a bit weird : a woman is making claims that the big investigation into child abuse is fishy , so she left the panel
    She makes a claim that in 2015 she was told Mrs May would become PM, now that would be amazing if the woman had had actually told the world about that BEFORE she became PM, it’s not so amazing to tell us after. It’s quite possibly self -delusion mental illness.
    She is a victim of CSE and became a campaigner
    Sharon Evans of @Dotcomcf
    Anyway I see her Twitter feed went dark abut a year ago

    https://talkradio.co.uk/news/child-abuse-inquiry-member-i-was-silenced-2015-ensure-theresa-may-could-become-prime-minister#

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  31. pugnazious says:

    Owen Jones, the BBC’s blue-eyed boy who just keeps on giving.

    Guido has been winding little Owen up with reminders of what the juvenile Jones has said in the past. In 2015 it was about his support, ala Corbyn, for the IRA…‘”I militarily support the IRA against the British State.” ‘….his first defence is to lie…the second to bluster about youthful indiscretion…Jones who wants to lower the voting age to 16…the age of Epiphany I presume….

    https://twitter.com/owenjones84/status/626303843752615936

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/626316096212213760

    Then again just the other day, Guido recovering Jones’ statements that Fascists should ideally be killed, or sent to some sort of ‘Devil’s Island’ and forgotten or sent to a camp for re-education, wound him up some more and we got the same response…

    Owen’s youthful words….

    ‘In a workers’ state, of course, Fascism would not have such soft treatment. Fascist propaganda would be banned. Fascists would have no participation in any elections. Fascist acts would be punished with death. Those people with illusions in Fascism would be sent to corrective facilities until they repent their beliefs. I think it would be sensible to deport all Fascist leaders to an offshore island prison somewhere, to prevent any becoming martyrs and to remove them as a threat to the workers’ state. As Trotsky once said, if one cannot make a fascist repent its beliefs through reasonable argument, one should feel free to acquaint its head with the pavement.’

    Jones comes back today…..

    Actually he did call for them to be killed….which is a fair interpetation of ‘punished with death’ I believe.

    Jones is having to deal with attacks on many fronts as someone has complained of his support for the capitalist run lefty Tribune magazine…..

    Jones claims that ex-Tribune journalists are liars for claiming they are owed money by the magazine and that publications that stated this are wrong…such as the Guardian presumably…but he doesn’t mention them just Private Eye…and nor does he print the statements from the journalist whom he says was ‘spamming’ him aggressively.

    From the Guardian…

    ‘Jacobin ended up paying a mid five-figure sum to take control of the brand and voluntarily paid the former staff 70% of the money they had been owed. ‘

    Backed up by ‘Payday Report’…

    ‘As part of his proposed takeover of the publication, Sunkara promised to pay the writers only 70% of the back wages they were owed and give them their jobs when they were returned.

    Now, writers say that Sunkara has reneged on his promise to bring the workers back after they agreed to accept only 70% of his wages owed for the years they spent keeping the publication alive.’

    Here’s the letter from the staff to the new Tribune owner….

    ‘ You suggested that this would be possible if we took 70 per cent of what we were owed. We accepted this compromise in the belief that we would continue to be involved in Tribune and believing the promise that there would be work for us on the relaunched publication.’

    Jones claims it is all lies…

    ‘Now, I don’t work for Tribune (I wrote an article for the first edition as a freelancer), but having looked into it, it turned out the claim was false….They[Private Eye] ran a story falsely claiming that Tribune owed wages to their former staff, and claiming a former staff member had “posted a polite reply to Owen Jones’ tweet, asking if his cheerleading for a newspaper proprietor who had ripped off three socialist hacks and trade unionists wasn’t a bit hypocritical bearing in mind his frequent calls for left-wing solidarity…..The point of this “story” was to suggest that I’m a raging hypocrite who preaches solidarity with workers but sought to silence a victim of an unscrupulous boss. It was therefore gleefully shared by multiple right-wing twitter accounts. So I got in touch with Private Eye to point out their story was, actually false. ‘

    Trouble is the story is correct….Tribune paid only 70% of wages owed based upon a promise of more work…which they broke. So money is owed. Jones however supports the capitalist Tribune owners over the workers and lies about it.

    Jones supported the IRA, wanted to kill Fascists and supports capitalist asset stripping businessmen….class act if not class war.

    and next on the BBC….

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    • JamesArthur says:

      Jones says he was 15 so it doesn’t count..wasn’t that about the same age as Brett Kavanaugh – except that was even longer ago – I expect Jones was out with Me2 though against Trump and Kavanaugh. Difference being there wasn’t any evidence against Kavanaugh…

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    • Guest Who says:

      A bit like too many bbc ‘views my own’ staff, his views can comfortably remain his own free of counter, because he has blocked the entire planet save his bubble head mates and lurkers smart enough to not alert him.

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    • Guest Who says:

      Maybe he and JO’bsworth should get a room, and ‘punish’ anyone wearing a poppy, like that back garden during Eid.

         4 likes

  32. pugnazious says:

    Another ‘Owens’ this time Candace Owens in the US who is a Trump supporting black woman…naturally she is ‘mistaken’ about things as she urges Blacks not to vote Democrat automatically anymore setting up a ‘Blexit’ campaign…much to the BBC’s distaste as they move to attack her and her message…the attack heading suggests the campaign is lying but is itself a lie….

    ‘What America’s ‘Blexit’ gets wrong about history’

    ‘It’s the latest political movement in the US – but what is ‘Blexit’?

    The BBC’s Rajini Vaidyanathan and Anthony Zurcher explain what it gets wrong about the past and the present.’

    No such instant rebuttal for Black Lives Matter or Antifa or any of the other anti-Trump movements out there…just for the pro-Trump one. Go figure.

    The BBC claims the ‘truths’ published by the Blexit website are not so true….just how true are these truths? asks the BBC. Facts that ‘Blexit’ gets wrong? Democrats created the racist Klu Klux Klan. The BBC’s answer….well true but it wasn’t the Democrat Party….so that’s Okk and Blexit lies….or does it? And the BBC’s Zurcher, looking suitably Halloweenish, wants to forget all that as now it’s mostly Republicans, he claims, who support the KKK…or rather he says the Democrat Party has disavowed the KKK….but have Democrat voters really? All of them?

    In fact all the ‘truths’ are true, the BBC just doesn’t like them being raised and pointed out.

    The BBC does an Owen Jones and claims Democrat racism was all in the past, youthful indiscretions, and now it’s squeaky clean, claiming all the nasty white racists decamped to the Republican Party, so vote Democrat.

    Just another anti-Trump hit-job from the impartial BBC.

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  33. pugnazious says:

    Women’s rights? All the rage on the BBC…..except not for Muslim women and certainly not for Israelis who suggest women forced to wear the niqab are not free…..

    The BBC’s write up is almost entirely negative and gives stupid examples as proof of how people hate the advert….

    The whole point is that women in Iran and Saudia Arabia don’t have a choice, they don’t have freedom under these Islamic regimes.

    Once again the BBC’s priorities push women to the bottom of the list with Muslims on top…literally…Rotherham, Rochdale, Iran and Saudi Arabia….respect Islam not women. The BBC and ECHR stand shoulder to shoulder in the right for Islamic law to justify oppression of women.

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  34. Fedup2 says:

    Toady watch

    My ears were playing up. I heard humph describe “ a new approach to policing “ I held my breath ….. it’s called ‘catching criminals’ .
    I was aghast . Since when has policing got anything to do with criminals ? Londonistan stabbings – Pakistani rape gangs – that is not the job of the police . Their real job is

    Putting up tape where crimes have happened
    Saying that ‘our thoughts are with the victim’
    Finding out who said bad words to foreigners
    Hiding in their cars
    Thinking up new ‘hate crimes ‘
    Sending out ‘sorry you’re a victim ‘ envelopes
    Getting more non white senior jobs to feel good
    Wimmin police moaning about men police
    Investigating each other
    Thinking up new laws
    Having embarrassing pictures at the West Indian carnival
    Painting their cars rainbow
    Fiddling figures
    Painting fingernails blue
    Hitting the central locking when a colleague is being stabbed to death .

       52 likes

    • Kaiser says:

      some jolly fellow on Toady blaming crime on austerity and objecting to Savid Javid describing pedo rape gangs as “ASIAN”

      I totally agree with the fellow that Javid shouldnt have described them as “ASIAN”

      but for very different reasons !

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  35. Roland Deschain says:

    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1057839077163233281?s=20

    Fake news right there. The article itself shows Trump did not say the media is regarded by 33% as the enemy of the people. He said fake news is.

    And the BBC goes and proves his point for him.

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    • Guest Who says:

      What is worryingly predictable is the majority of the BBC audience replying have done so blindly, and in typical ‘style’, even after this clear example of fake news has been politely highlighted.

      The bbc are dangerous now.

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    • pugnazious says:

      Nice spot….the BBC add ‘media’ to the quote….‘The US president said a third of Americans believed “fake news” media was “the enemy of the people”‘ when as you say he said ‘fake news is the enemy of the people’. He has included ‘media’ before but not this time. The BBC claims he provides no evidence…and thus you must reason there is none… but here’s the Independent from December last year…

      ‘Almost a third of Americans support Donald Trump’s belief that the media is an “enemy of the American people” and favour government restrictions on the press, according to a new survey…..The President has previously said on Twitter that “ the FAKE NEWS media” was “the enemy of the American people” and the survey found that 31 per cent agreed that the media prevents political leaders from doing their jobs.’

      The BBC just puts it out there that Trump hasn’t provided any evidence hoping this will discredit him.

      In August this year Time magazine…

      ‘About 51% of Republicans polled said they believed ” the news media is the enemy of the people. Five percent of Democrats and 24% of independents responded the same. ‘

      That’s a lot of people…and they have good reason to be sceptical. This article by the BBC, as Roland says, proves Trump’s point.

      Curious how the BBC don’t actually explore the issues and investigate if the Media is biased against Trump and thus democracy…thus they are the ‘enemy of the people’. Guess the findings would just be too uncomfortable…not least if they looked at their own coverage.

      Like the BBC’s ‘join the dots’ exercise in trying to pin the blame on Trump for violence….

      First they make the usual ‘people say you’re a nazi’ claim….it’s not the BBC trying to portray you as such you understand…it’s what ‘people say’…

      ‘Critics accuse him of fomenting violence by using extreme and divisive rhetoric against opponents, the media, immigrants and Muslims.’

      They immediately went to this….thus trying to make a link in people’s minds between what the critics claim and events, however spurious….

      ‘Earlier this week Mr Trump offered condolences at a synagogue in Pennsylvania where 11 Jewish worshippers were shot dead at the weekend.’

      The we get the real meat…

      ‘The White House has rejected any blame over the attack at the Tree of Life temple in Pittsburgh and the alleged gunman was not a Trump supporter.

      However, a man arrested last week in connection with a mail-bombing campaign aimed at critics of Mr Trump had pictures of the president covering the windows of his van.’

      Ah….a man with Trump stickers in his van…however he wasn’t the man who attacked the synagogue first referred to by the BBC…that man said he hated Trump…why does the BBC not mention that? This was switch and bait…put up one thing as ‘evidence’ and use it for a completely different purpose to ‘prove’ a completely different point.

      BBC…fake news…enemy of the people and the truth…can’t say fairer than that.

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  36. Fedup2 says:

    I’m sticking my neck out and predicting that the Republicans will do very well in the midterms .

    I think there could be a ‘ shy trump supporter’
    Trend similar to the “ shy Tory “ who told the pollsters one thing but did another .

    I’ve not been to the States for a while but I do recognise the difference between them and us – that they are raised on self responsibility and not sucking on the welfare state from cradle to grave like so many here expect to do. And even when they die the state is expected to bury them .

    So President Trump will get more support that al beeb , CNN , NYtimes , Washington post and the rest of the Beauties predict .

    I wish I could put a bet on it

       36 likes

    • Roland Deschain says:

      I really hope you’re right and wish I shared your confidence.

         17 likes

      • Rich says:

        Roland,

        The few minutes of Newsnight I caught during a break in “Salvage Hunters” had Mantis, sorry, Maitlis, interviewing a Virginian Democrat Party spokesman and campaigners, keen to highlight their efforts to enlighten the people of West Virginia who insist on voting Republican. We were reassured that they were hopeful of a midterm win, although we were warned that they might not succeed, despite support in the polls. She then spoke to a couple of voters, white and heterosexual, at an American football or baseball game.

        Perfectly respectable, articulate, seemed well off and in their 40s I’d say. The man, after his partner had initially declined to state who she, when asked as a woman of course, was going to vote for in the mid-terms, stated that they would vote Republican and that they liked Trumps policies and their results.

        The woman then said that her and many like her felt this way but kept this amongst themselves and their social circles. They did not voice their opinions or express their views when asked due to the hostility and abuse that they then encountered because there is a misplaced assumption that women must vote Democrat. She insisted that many women , contrary to polls and assertions, were behind Trump and would vote accordingly.

        The collective disappointment of the bBBC, Newsnight and Maitlis in particular was palpable.

           33 likes

    • Luckyharry69 says:

      God I hope you are right…I really cant helping the media power in the US will sway things….Maher Oliver Colbert added to the ones you mention.
      Americans are just as fickle and ill informed as Brits are…….

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  37. Guest Who says:

    The bbc now relies on getting its message out by telling fibs and, by way of variety, not mentioning the truth.

    https://bbcwatch.org/2018/11/01/a-bbc-contributors-particular-viewpoint/

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  38. Guest Who says:

    Maybe they should have named it ‘Beyond Belief’?

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/todays-solution-to-its-audience-collapse-the-same-old-drivel-in-a-podcast/?

    On twitter, in keeping with BbC policy of failing all sides, this has been noted by a left who could rely on Today to deliver.

    Their solution is to demand a return to the old ways, which it might be really funny to hear.

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  39. Dystopian says:

    Interesting full page (17) article in Daily Mail today by Stephen Glover “How rich for Corby to claim the Budget was for the wealthy (and what a poor show for the BBC to swallow it)”

    “The following morning the Resolution Foundation was given prime billing by the BBC for its judgement that the budget will ‘overwhelmingly benefit richer households’. Auntie accorded this finding the status of holy writ. In fact, what the left leaning think tank asserted was largely misleading…”

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  40. Dystopian says:

    Also front page “At last a police chief who wants to catch criminals”

       16 likes

  41. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC Online News:

    “”Climate change: Oceans ‘soaking up more heat than estimated'””
    By Matt McGrath
    Environment correspondent

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-46046067

    No opposing scientific view offered by the BBC.

    The BBC don’t support anything other than ‘settled science’.

    Einstein and Newton would not have been impressed.

       26 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      Seems the 28Gate stitch up is extending beyond matters climatic:

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-46051886/what-america-s-blexit-gets-wrong-about-history

      Thing is, effective propaganda was at least subtle. All it needed was to call it ‘BBC Blexit analysis’ and they could have hidden behind the notion they were reporting.

      But no, the twats know they are currently still Teflon standing bawling propaganda slogans in the audience’s faces like a blood vessel bursting antifa feminist trying to sucker punch a vet.

         17 likes

      • Guest Who says:

        Interesting use of ‘we’ when the bbc arts grads in senior management have cheerfully admitted they are banning counter arguments they don’t want heard.

           12 likes

    • JimS says:

      “Scientists base their predictions about how much the Earth is warming by adding up all the excess heat that is produced by the known amount of greenhouse gases that have been emitted by human activities.

      This new calculation shows that far more heat than we thought has been going into oceans. But it also means that far more heat than we thought has been generated by the warming gases we have emitted. “

      Wow! So (greenhouse) ‘warming’ gases now generate heat! Perhaps we could use carbon dioxide to heat our homes?

      One of the few certainties in climate science has got to be the amount of energy received from the Sun. Some will be reflected back into space, some reaches the Earth’s surface and some will heat the atmosphere to the extent that it can radiate enough heat to maintain equilibrium. These ‘scientists’ have made some new calculations (settled science?) and have ‘found’ more energy than they can account for so instead of checking the basis of their calculations they have shoved the extra ‘under the carpet’ i.e. into the oceans, where they can’t measure it. How convenient.

         14 likes

  42. thirdoption says:

    We now know that the murder of Jamal Khashoggi was ordered by the Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman personally and dozens of senior people were involved.

    The Saudis have lied and cheated from the very start, as arabs have a tendency to do, whether it be in business or sport.

    I’m really looking forward to Shami Chakrabarti’s statement on the whole affair, or is she too busy trying to find reasons to blame the jews?

       28 likes

    • vlad says:

      But at least the bbc have discovered the cause of death: apparently the human body responds badly to being tortured, strangled and dismembered.

         17 likes

  43. Guest Who says:

    First two lines seem applicable to the bbc.

       18 likes

    • vlad says:

      I vote for number 2, extinction.

         7 likes

    • gb123 says:

      I have corrected this for you BBC

      Are the BBC Ugly scavengers?…

      or a crucial species on the brink of extinction?

      Here’s why we should care about the BBC are vultures.

         12 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      Speaking of whom, I wonder if George has ever eaten any creature by mistake?

         6 likes

      • G.W.F. says:

        I wonder if there are people, like myself, who seek alternatives to meat because of an aversion to halal

        Ist it a crime not to like halal?

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  44. Dystopian says:

    Oh and now middle aged (white?) men shouldn’t have babies. The dads quality of sperm might not be as good as it was when they were younger.

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  45. G says:

    Anybody hear our Justin’s item this morning on Toady regarding the US Mid-terms? Anti Trump bias from start to finish. Saying that, ‘finish’ not exactly: I turned off having established the bias.

    Next, the UN Migration Compact. I reported on this last weekend. This is, in my view, the next World shattering event. Need to refresh memories? Let the UN itself, remind us what lying Treezer signed us up to in this short 2.5 min video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL87BK5OSz8

    It seems that only now, people are begining to wake up to the conspiracy between the NWO/Soros/UN and Governments. Brittany Pettibone – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmf_V0lbWwg
    This must be of major concern………………..

       18 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      Maybe he’s gunning for Anthony Zurcher’s gig?

         5 likes

    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      G:

      I turned the radio on this morning at about 8.20.

      The Today programme was in full force. The first words I heard were to the effect that the American economic recovery was not really helping people, and that is why the Trump regime had to resort to xenophobia about the migrant army heading for Texas.

      The prediction was that the Democrats would gain control of the House of Representatives, and some state governorships.

      All will be well in the world, in other words.

      The interviewee was someone called Seth Harris. Wikipedia tells me he was Obama’s Secretary of Labor. He now makes a living off cushy numbers in academia and company directorships.

      I’d like to say I was surprised, but how can I? The first few minutes of my listening day, and it is pure anti-Trump propaganda from a partisan American “commentator”.

      They don’t bother to hide the bias any more. Perhaps like “climate change”, the idea that there could be another point of view just does not exist.

      Defund the BBC.

         38 likes

      • Scroblene says:

        Good points Rob!

        “I’d like to say I was surprised, but how can I? The first few minutes of my listening day, and it is pure anti-Trump propaganda from a partisan American “commentator”.”

        As a fully paid-up member of ‘Sleepless in Kent’, it’s just as bad at three o’clock in the morning. This morning’s ‘efforts’ by the boring Rhod Sharpe were just as anti-President Trump as they could be, if you can stay awake to his entirely dull delivery, and inadequate ‘guests’, all care of Eastern US leftie rags and unis.

        There’s also an autocue reader who gabbles his way through single lines of ‘news’ every half hour. In between sentences, we’re subjected to a nervous gulp, then a breathy, unpleasant gasp before the next mouthful of crap is released.

        The items are worthless, as they are meaningless.

        But after that, the fill-in bit starts with some shrieking maniac, declaring at the top of his irritating voice that Radio5 Live is the best channel for live football.

        Great.

        Some of us don’t follow football, but worse, we don’t need to have some mindless idiot bellowing down the earphones about some over-paid crappy plonker who thinks an Aston Martin is a cross between an Villery place in the midlands, and a chocolate dog treat, but buys one anyway!

           11 likes

    • Luckyharry69 says:

      I’m the last person to believe in conspiracy theories…but I think you might be right.The trend for this nonsense is just too widespread now for it to be ‘coincidence’…

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  46. Guest Who says:

    Even for a BBC sofa sloth bimbo the lack of information or context behind this is breathtaking.

    Unless it is a ruse to get anyone who responded with their knees rather than brains excluded from jury service.

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  47. Synchronised says:

    Beeb website breaking news. Arron Banks being investigated by the NCA. What a joke, will they stop at nothing. As I see it anyone who had the temerity to put their cross in the wrong box might just as well report to the nearest available Orwellian authority and hand themselves in now. What were we thinking.

       33 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      It is based on a ‘referral’ by… guess who?

      However I suspect Alistair, Owen, Andrew, Anna etc are all on standby in ever studio for when this was made public.

         13 likes

      • ID says:

        Guess Who
        I was thinking the same thing when the “Crime of the Century” was announced on Daily Politics. I was surprised that Suzanne Evans, the BBB’s go to disgruntled ex-UKIPer of choice was present as I thought she had disappeared from the political scene. No! She does have a purpose. She needed no prompting to say she had always known that there was someting “fishy” and immoral about the organisations Banks funded and being noble and wise had, of course, had nothing to do with them.
        C4’s Matt Frei seemed to think Banks had already been investigated, tried and convicted and was suitably smug. He is always smug – but tonight seemed to be almost in “I told you so” mode. Collins spreading the usual poison.
        Usual C4 blame shifting on muslim grooming gangs. It’s men’s fault, it’s the authorities fault. If there is anything wrong in “British” Pakistani communities we must sort it out ourselves otherwise those wicked rightwing people will use it to their advantage. Apparently, wicked rightwing people are attempting to undermine trials of muslim child rapists so that they can rabble rouse and claim there is no justice in the UK A veiled attack on you-know-who from those who love the veil.
        It’s Nothing to do with Islam”. Not even muslim terrorism.

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  48. Sluff says:

    And continuing the general BBC Brexit shit-stirring agenda…..
    In the last nine years, let’s say 100 months in round figures, the Bank of England have changed interest rates three times. To put it another way, interest rates stayed the same 97% of the time. No change is totally normal and so is barely news at all.
    So in that context we consider the following shit-stirring BBC headline on their webshite front page today.
    ‘UK interest rates on hold amid uncertainty’
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46060460

    They just cannot help themselves……….

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  49. Guest Who says:

    Ray Snoddy’s Apprentice…

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